Mum's The Word! The Parenting Podcast - GEORGIA AND KELSEY: I'm Still Going Through The Process of Losing & Grieving Phoenix

Episode Date: September 28, 2025

This week on Mum’s The Word, Georgia Jones and Kelsey Parker are reunited back in the studio for a very special and emotional episode.For the first time on the podcast, Kelsey opens up about the heartbreaking passing of Phoenix Parker-Lindsay, sharing how it affected her, Will, Aurelia and Bodhi, and why she believes that if you don’t laugh through grief, you’ll cry.She also reflects on how this experience has been a very different grieving process to when her husband, Tom Parker, passed away.Alongside the hard conversations, Georgia and Kelsey are also chatting about back-to-school season, and how Bodhi is adjusting to starting reception and full-time school.A raw, heartfelt, and honest conversation about love, loss, motherhood, and finding strength in the little moments.A Create Podcast Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, we're back, people. Welcome back to a brand new episode of Mums the Word. I'm Kelsey Parker. And I'm Georgia Jones. And today, Kelsey, we're back. We're reunited. We're reunited. Finally.

And she's here and she's going to be opening up about Phoenix Parker Lindsay and her emotions at the time. We're very proud of your, Kels, for being brave. Oh, thank you guys. Ah! And we're going to chat about Bodie, starting. full-time school for the very best time. Little boys growing up. So grab a cupper.

Get comfy. And let's jump in to this brand new episode of Mums the Word. Kelse, I'm so happy you're back. I'm so glad I've got my partner in crime back with me. We're back together, baby. We are. It's been very lonely without you. How are you?

Yeah, I'm all right, George. I think obviously that is like the hardest question. And I've been asked that like so many. times, obviously from people, people in the street, mum's at the school, like everyone, dads at the school, can't just get my dad friends. Don't forget the dads, yeah. Well, yeah, you know, George, I've been through grief before. Yeah. Does it get any easier? No. Like, obviously this came as like the biggest shock because I thought I was going to have a perfect little baby. Yeah. And that's not been the case. The only thing I can make light of it is maybe

I've sent this stuff for a reason. Because you're made of the strong stuff you are, cows. So if anyone doesn't know listening that sadly Kelsey's little baby boy Phoenix was born I hate I said sleeping to people yeah I just think it's so hard because I feel like sleeping now obviously makes it a bit like dreamlike but ultimately Phoenix was born dead and for me I've had to use the words dead we know that I've spoken about the past because the kids understand that he has died yeah he's not here Yeah. I kind of want to just give the platform to you, Kels. Me and Kells have talked about it. And I was like, what do we want to ask? What do you want to talk about? But in fact, it's not my story to ask or to chip in on. So I think it's the platform is yours, Kels. So you tell us what you're comfortable with telling us and what you kind of want people to know about everything that happened. Well, obviously, I carried Phoenix for nine months. He came a week early. He came summer solstice. Yeah. I think there. Obviously, I'm very witchy. It's very you, the day you came, isn't it?

And we kept saying that I think he's going to come that day, and he did actually come that day. And, you know, I don't want to go too much into detail about everything. But obviously, Phoenix came into the world, and he actually wasn't breathing when he came. And I know other people want answers, but there isn't an answer that I can give people. Obviously, I'm still going through the process of losing a baby.

grieving and I just think grief looks so different to when I lost Tom does it feel different then it feels so it feels a lot different because I think with a baby and obviously I had Phoenix for nine months inside me you're sort of grieving for something as well that you've not got yeah which is really tough because I had 13 years with Tom so it's a completely different sort of grief because I'm grieving again what we could have had and I'm grieving for the kids and now I am grieving for the kids because because obviously they were so excited. And it's going through this with will, you know, going through grief with a partner.

But do you know what? That has definitely helped me this time. Has it? Having somebody there has your support. Yeah. And having them like cuddles in bed and when you're feeling crap. And, you know, I did go through that moment. And, you know, people that have gone through grief will know this moment that you have a time where you're just laid in bed and you literally don't feel like you can get out of bed.

Yeah, yeah. I had to go to K to K to K, and I knew that I needed to face the parents. And obviously, K2K is my family. Like, it's my second home. Like, we go there every weekend. I've had it for a very long time, the dance school. And I know the parents and everyone care about me a lot and the kids. And for me, it was the kids as well.

We had to actually send an email out to the parents to just talk through baby loss. Of course. Because some of the three-year-olds go, hang on, Miss Kelsey, where's your baby? Yeah, yeah, of course. So it's all these little factors that you don't think about. So for me it was that morning and Will was like, you don't have to go. I was like, but I want to go. I can't explain to you this feeling, but I know I need to go, but it's just the weight.

You feel like you have the weight of the world just sat on top of you. Yeah. Of like everyone's problems on you. Yeah, I totally get it. But I did get up. And obviously, you know what my mom and my auntie and everyone's like. My mom came and done the school run with me straight away. I think it is that it's the after affecting the ripple it has on everyone and people are just so devastated.

Yeah, and it's that you know that there's going to be people like asking your questions, people giving you a hug, like, are you okay? And with each question, it never gets any easy, does it? And like, you know, if you're feeling that way, if you're feeling like you want a cry and then one person asks you, are you okay? That's it, isn't it? You're open and you, that's it, you're gone. Yeah, like, oh, yeah, especially when I did the school run, and obviously so many people came and, like, hugged me and whatever, and I was like, I'm okay, I'm okay, I'm okay, I'm okay, I'm okay.

But, yeah, obviously we lost Phoenix, and it's just now the ripple effect on the family of how we navigate grief for the second time round. And how were the kids? Because obviously, like, that's a hell of a chat, isn't it, to have with two young children? Yeah. Do you know what, as well, I watched an episode of this. Yeah. And it was me and it was like, I've gone through the worst.

What else can happen? And it was like, look for all of Phoenix. It was like, oh yeah, have a bit of that, Kelms. This is what could happen. You could have a bit more. Oh, else. But the kids, I think with Aurelia, what the problem is, is she needed an answer. And what she was finding and what I was finding is the answer that I was giving wasn't good enough.

Right. Okay. So when she, when obviously, Phoenix first time, I said, Phoenix is now with Daddy. Well, that was it. She was angry with her dad. Why is Daddy taking everyone? So I was like, okay, that's maybe not the right thing to say.

And she was relentless. Right. Okay. And I say to anyone, you don't need therapy when you've got Aralia Parker around you. I said to Will, you won't need to go to therapy. I was like, because she is a therapist. Because she actually makes you talk about it. Right.

And she goes on and on until she got the answer. And I feel like we're at a stage. where she's okay with the answer. Yeah. Did you think it was, was it quite like cathartic for her doing that? Or were you a bit like, I don't want to talk about it. Please stop asking me. No, at the time, I knew that they needed to go through it and process it.

So I'm like, if we all talk about it, then we're going to get through this as a family. But now I have to say to her Avalia, because she goes on about death. Like she is actually, I know I joked before that we're the Adam's family, but oh my God. of taking it to the extreme. I'm just like, okay, okay. And she's like, do they know? Do they know about my... Like, obviously, she wanted to go and tell, like, the kids of, like, her age as well.

Yeah. Like, my friend at gymnastics, when her son, she was like, does Archie know? Does Archie know? And she told Archie, I'm like, okay, okay. Like, she wants everyone to know. She wants to share the news. But I suppose that sounds how some people... But also, I think she processes everyone's reaction.

So what reaction you would give her? She'd be like, right, okay. Right. Okay, yeah. She's always been that type of little girl, though, hasn't she? She's very reactive. And she's just not a normal six-year-old. She's not. She's not. Very, very, very bad. Her new one is she was a witch in her past life and I actually wouldn't pass it, put it past her. She's been to people. Well, I was a witch in my past life. I'm like, you might have been, y'all. You might have been. And what about Baudi? Because obviously he's a bit younger, isn't it? Boney's a bit younger. And me and mum say it all the time that it's like, when something happens, Bodie sort of just misses it that. little bit. Like when we lost Tom, Ray was a bit older. She understood it. He was 18 months,

no clue. Not a memory. Then even with this, he understands it. But I think with Bodie, because he's had so much loss and the only person that's been there for all is me. I think as long as I'm there, I'm present and he can see me, he's happy. Yeah. And also with kids, like, especially with kids board his age, he may well forget this. Yeah. Because, well, I mean, Obviously, obviously, the memory of Phoenix will always live on, but he'll forget the moment. Of course he will. Because he's of that age where they do. Like, even Cooper now, I said, do you remember that last year?

He's like, no, I don't know if that person is. I'm like, how do you don't remember a year ago? They don't know. But they don't. And I think even with Bodie, when we lost Phoenix, he said to me, he's all right, mum. At least you can pick me up tomorrow. But he actually meant that I could physically carry him.

Because where I've got so big, I was like, I can't. actually pick you up. No, you are getting a bit too big for me. So we went, it's all right, Mum. This you can like carry me around tomorrow. So speaking of Bodie, the man, is he feeling okay about starting school? Oh, yeah. Do you know what? I felt that we was going to have problems with him starting. Because of the awful time you'd had prior or just in general. I just think because Bodie's just more my sensitive child. And also, his activities, he was doing his activities during the day and then they moved to the evening. so he's really had like starting school

but all these activities have changed and that's a lot of change it's a lot of change but he has been absolutely fantastic he loves it he's so happy and how have you felt because obviously you probably had in your head

but you'll start school I'm going to lose my little boy being at home with me but you were going to have Phoenix so how have you navigated that do you feel has that made you sad It's made me sad But do you know what I've actually listened to myself

And I have actually rested And I don't think that Donkowls Proud of you mate I've hated every moment No I've actually rested and chilled And done stuff that I

I've listened to my body And I'm trying to refuel Everything now for myself But yeah Obviously it's a bit of sweet Isn't it It's so bittersweet Because I thought I was going to be at home

With a newborn And also our summer Completely changed Yeah You know We did go to Turkey on holiday. Yeah. That was never planned. Yeah. Oh yeah, of course. You went on a holiday afterwards. Yeah. We needed to get away just the four of us to actually grieve as a family of four.

That was never planned. We wasn't going to be going abroad because I was going to have a baby. And our plans completely changed. Our summer completely changed. Yeah. Did you do that a bit as well to kind of like jolly the kids along with it all? Or did you just feel like you just needed to get away? I think we needed to get away. And also, obviously, we have, got the biggest support system, but I think even just to give them a break from us, because I think they constantly worry. It gets heavy, they're just looking at us every day going, how are they coping? Are they doing all right? Like, it's, it's constant, isn't it? Constant worry. So I think when they knew that we went away, then they had a little. Were you worrying that you were, they had a bit

of respite from us. Were you worried that you felt like you were going to be a burden then? Not that I think I'm a burden, but I just think I can see people's look in their eyes when they see me and what I'm struggling with at the moment is going out and seeing people yeah I've probably made myself a little bit more of a recluse this time I think when Tom died I wanted to go out I wanted to front everywhere yeah yeah yeah like I'm okay yeah like I think as well because it was like a soft entry into grieving because Tom was ill for quite a while whereas obviously this was kind of shock and yeah and also I know people they think can that poor girl go through anymore yeah I know that they think that and they're so upset for me yeah i take that in and i absorbed that and i feel

like oh i remember you're saying that about tom like it was hard because you were almost having to support people that felt terrible that also felt upset and i do think with tom where we'd paid so much on treatment for him and there wasn't a lot of money in the pot yeah i had to go back to work yeah there wasn't actually an option it was like kelch you've got to get back on it because but maybe Tom made it like that so I would be okay because work does get me through but I have actually taken not that I've got loads of money in the bank now but I've taken a bit of time I've taken a bit of time

are you back fully to work now then have you yeah so since Boney's gone back to school the last two weeks I'm back to I think this is what people don't like talk about as well like you've got to earn a live in like you've lost a baby one of the most horrendous things has happened to you but you've got to carry on I know and I think

you know there's someone who's close to me and you that they said you've got to take time off you've got to do this you've got to do it I'm like I have bills to pay and I have kids that are in private school like I can't no if I could run off for a year yeah absolutely

but you I can't I know that's the thing if you're a multi-squadillionaire and you had all the money and you actually well with the cost of living let's not even get started on that joke But you'd need a lot, a lot of money behind you for you not to work. Yeah. And also, we are self-employed.

Yeah. I know we always sit on this part of mine about our money and whatever else, but it's true. I'm self-employed working mum of two. Yeah, we don't get, what is, what pays it when it, you know, if someone's died. Oh, like, like, bereavement. Yeah. Is that what's called? Well, I guess if you worked for a company, you would get the time off.

That's what I mean. If you, you know. But I wonder also, working for. for a company where it sits like what time would you get off having a stillborn baby because obviously if you was going to take nine months maternity would you still get that for a baby that's not that is a really really good question oh my god right into us we want to know we need to find that out because really you probably should because like well oh at least I've needed more I've needed more time this time around it's like the second wave of grief no more universe thank you I'm done now

I'm here to guide everyone for a grief, I know. Tom was just lonely up there. I know. I literally, I feel like he's been lonely and he's like, I'm calling everyone up. We had to put buddy down the dog. I'm like, he's got his hands full up there. Well, I think he has been calling it on. Or I said to Tom's mom, I was like, I feel like he thinks that we've not grieved for him

enough. So he's like, have a bit of that, have a bit of that, have a sprinkling it about. And if you, have you doing. That's a joke, guys, as well. It's a joke. We can joke about death. It is okay to. do keeps it light-hearted sometimes

it's like you've got to sometimes and if you don't laugh you will cry and that is it yeah we had some moments after we lost Phoenix where I was literally crying of laughter and I think if anyone looked in they would be like how should you doing that but I was thinking

I will literally break into a million pieces if I can't not obviously I wasn't making light of losing Phoenix but of something I was laughing with my mum because I was like I would literally be broken and I think that's when people look at me and go, how is she so strong? Yeah.

But I'm like, you have to be. You have to be and I have to make myself strong and I have to be present for the kids and I have to show up. And I think I, you know, as a frequency and a vibration, I can vibrate high and I've had to lift myself up. Yeah. Sometimes you do, and especially when you've got kids,

you have to push through, unfortunately. Because sometimes you do want to sit in a pit and speak to no one and come. all day and not wash and not leave your bed but when you have children you've not got a great deal of choice no because they still need to be fed they need to be fed they need to see their mummy functioning and it's no good as well because you could quite easily go oh could you have the kids for a little while like say to my mum yeah my auntie could you have but I don't think that would have done them any favors like they needed to see me see will make sure we're

okay. Yeah, they need... Even Kelsey's Albi, obviously, I am his auntie. Yeah. Not biologically. But I'm his auntie. He struggled so much. And I was going to...

Obviously, they told him Kelsey's baby's dead. Yeah. Phoenix has died. How old's he again? So he's the year between Bodie and Aurelia. So Albi's five. And he loves his football. Me and Kelsey have got all our money on him being a footballer because that's our dreams.

We were talking to him last night about what cars we want. But he was misbehaving at football. And I was saying to Dean and Kelse, I was like, guys, like, he's going through something. I said, do you need to listen to him? I said, because when would he ever muck around at football? He goes like five times a week. He never ever mucks around.

But in his head, I know what he was thinking. What does Kelsey look like now? What does Kelsey look like after having a dead baby? Yeah. So actually, so I actually eventually saw Albi like five days later, four days later. And he was so nervous to see me. Then when he saw me, you went, oh. And you could see that he could, and he was like.

Visibly relaxed in front of you. Yeah. She looks all right. Yeah. And then he was off playing around my house and whatever. But he actually needed to see me to know that. He was worried about you. He was really, really worried.

So, yeah. Yeah. What was my point there? I don't know how we got on to that, but I think we were just talking about kids. and, you know, how their moms have to be there. Yeah, and I think he needed to see me. And obviously, where Kelsey and Dean were grieving as well. Of course.

They weren't dealing with Albi and they would think, oh, he's just misbehaving. I'm like, you're all grieving for me. Because it's the ripple effect. It's not just you. It's everyone around you that loves you that goes, oh, my God. Yeah, oh, that just wants to protect you and look after you and make sure you're okay. And really, when something like that happens,

you're not going to be okay and there's no protecting and you've just got to be there haven't you as a support and that's it. And I think you need to know you're not going to be okay. Yeah, yeah. But sit with that, sit with not being okay. You posted a story today and it was really good. It was that picture of that little elephant. Yeah. It was about how like, you know, you're not going to be okay but you can sit with it

and it won't ever go. No, and grief doesn't go. Yeah, it was the feeling won't ever go but it'll sit inside you like a scar. Yeah. I was like, that's a really good analogy of like grief Do you have an insatiable fascination with the paranormal? Are you ready to dive headfirst into the eerie realms of the unexplained? Brace yourself for the supernatural world is about to reveal all of its secrets on the paranormal activity podcast.

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Will you dare to join me? Listen to paranormal activity with me, Yvette Fielding, wherever you get your podcast from. Phoenix always will be a part of me. Yeah. And that's what you asked me before this pod. She said the tattoo. But what's funny is Phoenix was always going to be Phoenix. Yeah.

So I didn't know what I was having. Boy, girl. The baby was always going to be called Phoenix. So it's not even the fact that I've lost a baby. I've like, oh, it's my little Phoenix. No, the baby was always going to be called Phoenix. Even a few weeks before we had him, I was going to Will. Are we still going with that name?

He's like, yes, we decided like literally when we found out we were pregnant, we picked the name. That's when you found the name. That everyone kept saying to me, where are you going to put the baby? Yeah. You've got a baby. But when Tom died, I had a phoenix tattoo on my side. Right. this is where I've seen it.

Yeah. Yeah. So I just reposted that. So loads of people think that I've gone out and had a new tattoo. That's where I was so confused. That tattoo has been with me when I had Aurelia and Bodie. Phoenix has always been on me.

Is that why you chose the name though? Because you had a Phoenix on you. Obviously my hope that this was going to be me rising from the ashes and Phoenix was going to be. But maybe it is, but in a different way that I never thought that it was going to be. Maybe I have rose from the ashes. but in a different way. We went off on a tangent like we always do.

It's not like us, George. I'm going back to Bodie and his little school starts. Right, so how durable does he look in the uniform? Too cute. I just can't hope. He does not big enough to be in a uniform. No, but he's actually not big enough. He's just so small and I just look at him like he's just the littlest in the actual year.

But listen to this, George, this story, right? So I picked him up from school and then the teacher came out and she said, oh, Bodie cried in assembly and I was like, oh, did he? And then she went, yeah, and then he went back to the class and he continued to cry. And I was like, oh, that's really not like him. They was like, we kept asking like what was wrong

but we couldn't really get to the bottom of it. She said, however, she said the assembly was about a lady that swam the channel from France to England. So they said, eventually they went, like, Bodie, what's wrong? He went, I can't swim that far. He thought he was swimming the channel

He was like, I'm at school now Obviously I do everything that I'm told at school They're obviously showing us this for a reason I'm swimming the channel He thought he was going to have to swim the channel He thought he was going to swim the channel But also The night before he had swimming lessons

And no one turned up to the swimming lessons So he had a private lesson So Eddie Zed he's thinking She's preparing me I'm training I've been training She keeps talking about the food that I'm eating. Oh, no.

Oh, it broke my heart. So I was like, at that age, it's all so literal, isn't it? Oh, my God, yeah. They're obviously showing this video. Yeah. And O'Reilly went, yeah, I did see him crying, and I wondered why he was crying. She went, oh, because we're not swimming the channel. Oh, bless.

And then I spoke to him later on, he was like, can you stop bringing it up? Oh, he didn't want anyone to know. And then when we got home, I said, but why did you think that? And then he started crying again. And then he went, I'm going to get really thirsty. And I was like, you're not doing it. You're not swimming the channel. Did you get it into bed.

You're not swimming the channel. And I said, also, if we are actually going to talk about you swimming the channel, there would be a boat with you the whole time. You would just go and swim the channel. However, you were not doing it. You're not doing it. We're not. That's not what's happening.

He just cracks me up. But also broke my heart because I was like, that is so cute. What do you think's been the hardest bit of getting the kids back to school? Mine have obviously had so long off. Yeah. Mine was getting motivated. Aurelia needed to go back to school. Needed a bit of routine in her life.

Oh, yeah. And also, I think she's been angry about the situation. Right. With Phoenix. So I think she needed to go back to school and have like just something to kind of like distract her a little bit. How's Cooper been? He's been all right. He was really anxious about starting because I do have an anxious little child.

No, and also it's that going up to that year group. Yeah, yeah, junior. So he's gone to junior school now. Bodie thought that he was going into reception with the old reception children he didn't realise that they were moving up to year one so that's why he was a bit nervous oh I thought they were going to be older kids

yeah I was like no darling so how's he getting on at juniors he's gone and he's absolutely loving it now but it was just that the thought of doing it but I'd message my school mum friends prior I was like Is it just the thought going back to school friend? Yeah but I messaged them and I was like can we all meet up like half an hour before we go in

with the kids just so they can all see each other and like going together that made the world of difference like and I told Cooper night before I was like we're seeing you're seeing your besties beforehand and you can all go in together Has Cooper only got one class

per year? No there's loads I think there's four or five Yeah so it's a big school So they don't mix them up though Not this year Next year which I'm dreading

Because Cooper was not going to be happy about that But the radio went back to a mixed class Did she? And how did she find that Was she still with like a best miss? I think, no, she didn't get anyone. Oh, I know. I thought you meant to have someone.

I know and I, I only emailed one person in because it's someone that she actually... Really like. No, from when she was born, she's known this little girl. Yeah. For a very, very long time. So I was like, oh, like, if she could just have one person, that would be the person.

But they didn't give her anyone. My only thing with Aurelia is she'll be fine. Yeah. She's fine wherever she is, whoever she is with. I think she goes off and talks to the kids in all. different year groups. She's a socialite that girl. Yeah, that's it.

She goes around, she comes back, someone's made her slime. She's like, we've got seven new best friends. Yeah, that is Aurelia. She's friends with girls in, they've gone into year seven, and then I think the other one might be year five. Oh my God, year seven? I know, but there's a really small school, isn't it? Right, yeah.

But they brought slime and then she's like, can I take them in a present? I'm like, the house is like getting bare because she just keeps taking presents in for people. Just keeps taking her eyes. I'm like, yeah, just take it in. Yeah, give me where, no problem. Do you know what I'm finding the hardest about school starting? Cooper's homework. Yeah.

I can't do. Is it gone? I cannot do it. I cannot do it. Honestly, like to the point where. Chat GP2, babe. I don't, I don't know what I'm going to do. I don't even understand the question.

Just put it on chat GP2. What? Yeah, but it's like sheets and sheets. It's not just like. But is it hard to actually get him to do it? I mean, I've not done it with him yet because I read it. I sat down and read the homework. Just get a tutor?

Yeah, well. Yeah. She's like. Yeah, good idea, Kels. I'm a tight northerner. I can't pay someone, but obviously Danny's away at the moment. Shoot, next week, she will have a tutor then. Yeah, he's the one that's good at mass.

It's the mass. I can do the English part. What goes to face time, Danny then? Maybe that's what I need to. He ain't working 24-7. No, maybe that's what I need to do, because honestly, it's putting the fear of God into me. Yeah, screenshot it, send it to Danny, and then they can do it together. Yeah, that's actually a really good idea.

Danny's like, cheers, Kels. Yeah, he's like, brilliant. I thought I was. If not, get a chute a tutor. because I just think with the tutors I know okay it's extra money and we've got to pay but it takes the stress from you

because I become she just is so rude to me when we do the homework together she's abusive to me but I'm just like I'm like but I know how she felt because my mum's voice used to actually go through my head and I was like oh because it's not actually your mum

it's actually the fault that you've got to do that homework yeah I just feel like I should know how to do a year three piece of homework but I don't I think actually there you go that's the tagline there Georgia struggles with year three homework yeah Georgia can't do year three homework Georgia needs tutor yeah why don't you get a tutor for you maybe I will and Cuba no I'm done with learning learning finished I did my air levels and that was it done university absolutely not did you do eight levels did air levels yeah what do you do well I mean I did geography art and

sociology, was it? And then, did you go to uni? No, no. No, absolutely not. Well, I went to uni. Basically, my boyfriend at the time and my best friend went to the same university. So I'd just go to stay there every weekend

and have the best. But what did you do when you did, came out of A levels then? Beauty Therapy. Yeah, I turned as a beauty therapist and worked as a beauty therapist for three years. Oh, I could imagine you doing that way. Yeah, I loved it.

She really, really enjoyed it. I would love doing something like that. fun fact in case nobody knew that. Facials, nails, massage, waxing. That used to be my favour actually. What the waxing? Yeah. Just getting it all. Yeah. Kells, we've come to the end. We've had a good old Nasser. We have. Thank you for being honest and open and letting us into your life because I know it can be really difficult to talk about difficult things but we appreciate you. And I think for me, I share my story. Yeah.

Because I know this will help someone. It will. That if you can't get out of bed, that's okay. And that's when, you know, when I went on Lorraine, I said the same thing. It's like, you have to do what's right for you when you're grieving. Yeah. Yeah. If you can't get out of bed, don't get out of bed.

Like, you think that's right for you. Do it. If you want to stay in your pajamas, do that. Yeah. If you feel like you want to go and do the school run, do the school run. Exactly. And no judgment as well. Yeah, but we're so judged, yeah.

Maybe that's for another episode. The judgment. The judgment, yeah. We're judged, you judge if you do, do, you judged if you do, you're judged if you don't. You are, absolutely. How dare they? But yeah, well, we're so happy about Kels. Thanks guys.

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