Mum's The Word! The Parenting Podcast - GEORGIA & KELSEY: Grieving Phoenix Has Been Harder Than Tom

Episode Date: March 2, 2026

Georgia Jones and Kelsey Parker are back together for an episode that perfectly captures the messy reality of motherhood.The heavy bits, the joyful bits, and everything in between.Kelsey opens up about the truth that grief doesn’t stop motherhood and motherhood doesn’t stop purpose.She reflects on why grieving Phoenix has, in some ways, felt harder than Tom with the children being older, and how even in the depths of grief, life as a mum keeps moving.The conversation lightens as they move on to Kelsey’s newfound love of home cooking, how it’s become grounding, creative, and unexpectedly comforting during a tough chapter.Georgia then shares her latest 40 Before 40 list, inspired by listener Kirsty, though she’s very clear there are some things she absolutely will not be attempting.And of course, We Listen & We Don’t Judge returns, with not understanding maths homework, Googling “is this normal?” at ridiculous hours & letting kids win the odd argument just to keep the peaceThis episode of Mum’s The Word is motherhood exactly as it is.A Create Podcast Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, we're back people. Welcome to a brand new episode of Mums the Word. I'm George Jones. And I'm Kelsey Parker. Today Kelsey explains why grief doesn't stop motherhood and why motherhood doesn't stop purpose. And we chat about the truth behind the scenes, behind the magic of home cooking.

Behind the scenes, the truth behind. Magic of home cooking. Ooh. So grab a cup. Get comfy. And let's jump into a brand new episode. of Mums the Word. That was very stinging.

Yeah, you were singing it, so I was like, I have to sort of go along with what you're doing here. Was I? Oh, do you know what happened there? And let's jump in. It's a lot of bit musical all of a sudden. So, Kells, you shared a very powerful post recently saying, grief doesn't stop motherhood and motherhood doesn't stop purpose. What do those words mean?

What do they mean? God, you're such a little TV interviewer there, Judge. I went to my interview once in my interview Yeah, you did, do you. Cursie, please. Expected. Well, actually, I went on to Sky News and I'll talk about that in a minute

why I actually went on there. But that's the whole bigger picture, isn't it? Because everyone goes, well, how do you grieve and be a mum? But it's like, I have to do both. Yeah. So I'm grieving whilst being a mum, that doesn't stop me, and motherhood doesn't stop me grieving.

Like, it's the... You don't really have an option. You don't have a choice, and this is so many moms that do you speak to, You know, I went on the C. Beebees podcast with Holly Hagen. Holly Hagen. And she just lost her sister. And obviously she was talking about parenting whilst grieving.

Grieving. And she's actually pregnant and has got a little one too. And then we had people ring in. And it's like they'd gone through the most, like one had actually lost a child, a two-year-old. And then how they carried on because they had two other children. and that's it. It's the pain of grief. And the thing is with grief, it never goes away.

So you have to sort of get on with it because that pain is never going anywhere. Do you ever have like days where it suddenly comes and just slaps you around the face? Like, almost like, oh my God, that. Yeah, you have like that feeling going, oh, like this. And then you look back and go, this is my life. Yeah.

You know, like when something like that first happens and there's that awful thing where you go to bed and when you work in the morning you almost forget for a second and you go no no no it's... And then it hits you. Does that eventually like... Because I've dealt with grief

but not to your level it wasn't my husband, it wasn't my child it was a best mate. But does it stop? No, I think you're forever grieving. But like that thing when you first wake up and go... And it goes...

Yeah, I mean, I mean, obviously, okay, it's really hard with time because people say time's a healer, but time is just time. And I do think that forever you go on, obviously, you don't have that waking up going, oh my God. But then something will happen during that day. Yeah. To think, I've not got a baby here.

Yeah. Or I've not got my husband here. Yeah. Do you want to keep talking about it online? Like, do you feel like it's a bit of a purpose of yours to talk about it online? I just think it's such a taboo subject and people don't talk about it.

And even with me, you know, people have crossed the road and people haven't spoken to me. Yeah. With loss. And even now, like, I saw one of the new school mums at the gym. And she was like, oh, I didn't know who you come here. And I was a bit like, oh, no, I haven't like come here for ages, have I? And then I sort of like word from it.

Like, oh, I had a stillborn baby last year. And I haven't been to the gym, but now I'm back in it. Literally her face dropped. And she was like, oh, it's very nice seeing you. And then legged it. Well, not legged it. But obviously, she was probably a bit like, Oh my God.

Yeah. Yeah. Because what do you actually say? And I've literally just dropped the bomb. But the problem is with me is it's my reality. So I'm a real truth speaker. So I can't not tell you my truth. Yeah.

Someone else. Oh, well, I just didn't fancy it. Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't do that because that's not my truth. I've not been to the gym because I lost a baby. I was pregnant and I haven't been here. But now I'm actually back at the gym and I'm trying to get fit again.

But yeah, it's hard when you're a bit like me. And I guess that's bringing back to your question. I probably will always talk about it online because it's part of my story. Yeah. And I do know that I'm helping so many people. And the point of why I actually went on Sky News is to talk about maternity care in the UK. Right, right, right. Because they've got an influx of people that have had really bad birth stories, really bad birth traumas.

And it is as to why and why is maternity care so bad at the moment. Right, okay. So it was a really like interesting topic. And obviously we were just talking about Phoenix and what I, I couldn't obviously open up completely and I can't open up completely on this podcast because it's an ongoing thing. Yeah. For me.

But one day I will tell everyone. Do you think you will? Do you think one day you'll have that story and share it? Yeah, because there will be the right time and the place for it. Yeah. For when it's right for me to share that. Mm-hmm. But obviously the biggest part that I'm sharing,

is I still have to be a mum every day. Yeah, of course. And it was so hard. I think with Phoenix, it was harder with Phoenix than it was with Tom. I think because they were so much younger, like I could just be like, oh well, daddy wasn't coming back.

And you know, and I said about the Angels taking Daddy, we won't see Daddy again. It was like they accepted that. And we sort of moved on. Yeah. And now as time's gone on, they asked me more questions about their dad and stuff. But that initial...

I suppose he was boredy as well. He was 18 months old. Like there wasn't a question that he even thought. And how old was Erelia again? She turned three a few months after. Right. So they're almost ages where they don't understand. So you almost didn't have to explain it too much.

You obviously have to explain it. But it wasn't like, it's very different to having a child that completely understands. Yeah. Obviously when Phoenix death, death, death. Yeah. Can't say that word. Death is. And then, yeah, obviously when Phoenix died.

They knew the reality of that as well. so they knew, you know, my dad's died, we've never seen my dad since. Phoenix's died, we're never going to see Phoenix, and we're never going to get to meet Phoenix. I think that's for them, and it was why. Yeah, and I suppose as well with Phoenix, they went through the whole nine months process with you,

you know, getting excited and, you know. Well, even all the baby stuff, we still have all the baby stuff in the house now. We've not got rid of it. It's all still up. And Arrayalia will go and play with Phoenix's cot and put her baby. room?

Yeah, there is still a room there for Phoenix. What do you think you don't need to do? And all Phoenix's clothes are there. I'm going to keep it all. Yeah, are you going to keep the room as is? Or you're not sure. Yeah, I don't know yet. I don't know.

But Phoenix is very much there in the house. I think we obviously talk about Phoenix as well because he's very present in the house and there was a baby that was coming and the baby didn't come. Yeah. So I think for them, that's the, why they questioned me so much. Yeah. And it's probably like, Why have we gone through something so bad again, Mom?

Why has this happened to us again? It's like, well, life stuff, and we have gone through it again. What answer do you give them when they say that? Like, have they ever said, like, how come two people have died? They haven't really said that. They obviously just asked at the time, like, why? And what was your answer? Well, why do people die, George?

Because they do. That's it. There's not really an answer, is there? Yeah. I said Phoenix is with Daddy now. Yeah. And I think now that gives them peace. At the time, it didn't give Aurelia any peace whatsoever.

Yeah. But I think it's given her peace now to know that he's with Tom. Did she struggle quite a bit at the beginning now? Oh, massively struggled. And I would say with Aurelia more because she's so vocal and her understanding is beyond, that she was angry for such a long period of time. Is that the emotion she had, anger?

She was so angry. I would say like probably till like October, November last year. Really? She just gets so angry and like that is so out of character for Aurelia. What was your biggest immersion? Or is your biggest immersion?

What, from everything? Yeah. I wouldn't even say there's one emotion. Just a mixture. Just a mixture of every. And also for me it's like the why question. Yeah. For myself, like why.

But then I do have the understanding as to why. But sometimes you just think, oh my God. Yeah. Just give me a break. Yeah. Well, I know. We all think that's like I care. And I think just when you see people as well,

because it's just not, sometimes I just can't go into places and have normal, mundane conversations. Yeah, yeah. Like, just like, skirted around it. Yeah. Do you know, I totally get that,

I totally understand that as well because I've had it before when things have happened in my life where people avoid you. And you already feel really alone and sad and you just, need people to actually treat you like a normal human being. Well also just the elephant in the room like you're like so is everyone just going to like navigate away from me? It's like do I smell?

And it's awful. They don't know what to say. No but also all you need in that moment is people to kind of be near you and support you and come together. Yeah and like comfort you and just be like I'm sorry you having a hard time like if ever you need a chat I'm here like not just completely avoid you. It's awful. Yeah. So, yeah, well, there's a word of advice from me and Kelse. If anyone goes to anything hard,

don't play. Don't blank them. Don't ignore them. They probably do want to talk to you. Yeah, they probably do. Kels, let's talk about chef Kelsey. Here we go, cooking with Kelsey. Cooking with Kelsey. I feel like you should start maybe a little

YouTube channel. Yeah, cooking with Kelsey. Cooking with Kelsey. It's got a ring to it, you know. Induce it now, guys. Induce that now. Should we like pay it to me? tell whatever it is. Yeah, I think the reason I started doing this is because actually all my friends will ask me about my recipes and they'll be like, but how did you do that?

So I was like, oh, maybe people are actually interested in what I'm cooking. Yeah. And they are. They are. I know I'm quite invested in you little cooking. Well, yesterday I completely batch cooked. So I made shepherd's pie, I made sausage rolls and I made fairy butterfly cakes. I vomited a bit in my mouth when you said that then.

But batch, good. Yeah, but it's organisation. Yes, Kelsey. Oh, and I cooked chicken as well. And do you know what I keep doing? What? Buying the ingredient, which is only three ingredients, for, to make broccoli tots,

which is the one way I can get broccoli into Cooper. Yeah. When you mash them down? Yeah, mush it all together, put it in the oven. It's great. It's got a shitload of cheese, isn't it? Yeah. Oh, nice.

Go on, I'm going to make them. Well, yeah. I keep forgetting. And then the broccoli goes off. So I have... So you've done really well? Yep. I've bought broccoli three times now.

But why don't you just make a little plan of what... You don't really cook the dinner though, do you? I forget. Right, no, right. Can I just tell the world here. You're the one that always push yourself down though. Yeah, right. Danny is incredible cook.

I shall give him that. But do you know what happened? Is I then lost all my confidence in cooking? Georgia, I've been... there. So Tom's mum actually messaged me the other day saying I love the cooking videos. Oh, okay, so this is really weird that happened.

As if you think it's weird or not weird. So I was laughing because my auntie went into my house and she was like, I was there, she was like, all of a sudden the TV upstairs just turned on. I was like, oh, okay. And I went, what was on? What was on? Cooking. No, it was Golden

Ramsey's Kitchen Nightmares. Oh. So I said to Tom's mum, I was like, Noreen, Gordon Rams, I went, what's he trying to tell me? Is he telling me my cooking's crap? And she was like, I'm so proud of you. Like, I love watching your videos. She went, oh, I thought to myself,

when I come down next, she's cooking for me. No, I went, I will, don't worry. But I was like, we all do know that I could do this. He didn't let me cook. Did he not? No, because nothing was good enough for Tom. So Tom wanted starter, main, and dessert on like a casual Wednesday, the casual Wednesday.

Do I mean? I'm like, we don't need that. No. Stiller mushrooms. I don't need that with loads of bread. Like, he would make still with mushrooms. He'd do garlic prawns as a starter. Then you'd have the main.

Honestly, Tom and Danny. When he did a bolognais, it was like the most extreme. It was absolutely stunning. But sometimes you have to compromise and go, do you know what? We've got kids. We've got whatever. Obviously, Tom didn't actually get to experience the children and doing what I do now. but I'm like, I have always been capable of cooking.

I just never had the opportunity. Yeah, and that's exactly the same. So I feel you. Thank you. These men in boy bands, these are amazing now. Go on. Is that a Daney's our master chef? Yeah, it came third.

Yeah, so it was after that he started doing all his cooking, all his chefing at home and suddenly knew exactly what flavors to put in what. And really, really annoyed me as well, because I was half loved it. it half really annoyed by it because I was like up until this point I was actually felt like I was quite a good cook and now I just feel like I'm the shit as cooking in the world. Yeah but with people like them they are extreme and whatever they do it's the extreme. Yeah, those boys with ADHD you mean. Yeah, it's good, well it is, isn't it? Because they hyper-focused.

So it's the ADHD and then that goes, right, when I'm cooking, that is my kitchen, I would be like, how can one person make this much mess? My God. I think we have spoken about this before. Because it almost is detrimental. I'd rather not eat. Yeah. Then cook, then actually wash up 25 pounds.

Yeah, I'd rather have a bowl of cereal than have the kitchen like that. Yeah. It's everywhere. But it is the ADHD. It's the hyper-focusing. It's like, what I'm doing that, so it's going to be the best it could possibly be. And it was. Tom was incredible.

Yeah, yeah, as is Danny. So well done, boys. Well done, boys. So now, back to cooking with Kelsey. I'm a lot better way. Sorry, back to cook from Kelsey. Yeah, but you're like really good because you're like, oh, and then I'm just going to use the carcass of the chicken

and make a bone broth. And then what I'm going to do is prep, meal prep. And here is the children's pet lunches. But I watch on TikTok, I watch these women that do come and meal prep with me. And they like, I mean, I think I'm good, but they do the whole week. Kelsey, you're going to be a tradwife soon. Is that what you're, is that what you're? What's that?

You know, where they're like, are in the kitchen in like a. No, I want to be. Like a carceted dress. There's a lady that I watch and she's got such a nice voice and she grows all her own fruit and veg in the back garden and she's like, she's like, oh, I'm just going to do this and this is my bone broth for the week and I'm like, yeah, sort of me, but with the mouth that's going, right guys.

Right, guys, what I'm doing? And there's always be doing something funny in the kitchen. And I'm in my pyjamas. I don't get. I literally have got dressed. I put no makeup on my hair scarfed up on top of my head. I'm that mum. The real mum.

That's relatable. I don't know who has a time to get dressed. dressed up in a dress, full face of makeup, can prep seven different meals, all whilst their children are sat playing quietly. Learning, learning. Learning. Sat doing their homework quietly in the corner and having once. Yeah, have once gone, mommy.

Mommy, I'm hungry. Mom, mom, can I have a snack? No, it's not relatable. Can I put this on the TV? No, you're on a TV band. Yeah, you're not allowed. Can I play a switch? No.

We don't have switches in this. has no, there's no. Yeah, that, well, I'm not that mum, but I'm just trying to be the relatable mum. And just to show people that, it is easy. Yeah. If you do, it, do you know what I find the hardest filming it? Oh, yeah. Because mine never looks like, some people's stuff that I watch, I'm like, how do they make it look so aesthetically pleasing? Kelsey. Because I, I feel like it's maybe me in my camera, maybe my camera's shit on my phone. I'm, I'm completely with you on that. No, but your stuff does look aesthetically pleasing. I went on. I went on. this retreat the other week and I've just watched this one girl lovely lovely girl

oh I did can I just say that when you was on your retreat you did your bar class I really wanted to correct you need to tap your bum under my bum does not tuck under Kempi I know I was looking at your bum like wow look at children's bum I even I even I don't know whether you can see it in the video I turn to Chessie I'm like why does my bum stick out yeah you're like that I've always had such an act like I'm gonna go oh she's the ballet class I know I can't I've got no car you got to bump under. That's why I've got such a weak pelvic floor.

It's why she's pissing herself right now. If anyone's listening, wants to give me some kind of like... Just go to Claire and get her to finger you. We all love a finger by Claire. I've been there many a time for Claire. I do need to go back actually. I want to just check what's going on. Because this marathon training isn't good for my pelvic floor.

And I don't quite know what to do about that. You need to do a ballet class, but that is on your faulty list as well in a minute. I'm not doing a ballet class. No, go back, yeah, some people, some of the girls that were getting content, I bet you were like, oh, there was this one girl and she's just posted her content. And I'm like, what the hell are we on the same retreat? I was like, what on earth have you shot this content on? Because it was like, professional cameraman.

I was like, I didn't even see her taking content, let alone that level of content. Some people were just so good. And you know, when they capture a moment, I'm like, why didn't I capture that moment? Oh, I know. Oh, I was too busy talking to everyone. Yeah, well, yes, but that's what's lovely as well, is that you actually are in. engaging. Yeah, but that's the story of my life, so my content's never good because it's like...

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ultimate destination. Will you dare to join me? Listen to paranormal activity with me, Yvette fielding, wherever you get your podcast from. My 40 before 40. Right, so... Well, I haven't got very far with my list, so I'm really glad that somebody has sent in something for me. absolutely love this. Can I say ballet is actually on the list? Do you want to read them out to me? I'll tell you whether I've done it or whether I'll put it on my list. Donate blood. Done it needs to go back on my list because I had a tattoo and I didn't think I can't do it. Yeah, I can't do it. Yeah. Sign up to be for donor card.

Done it. Orchestra. What, like play a musical. I don't know. Go to the orchestra. Play a musical instrument. Oh, go to the orchestra. Not for me. Comedy shows. Being there, done that. Definitely go to another one. Do more painting and drawings. Yes.

Read more books. Yes. West End show for my boyfriend. for my birthday. For my birthday. West End show, 100%. I need to go to more West End shows. Love them.

Go to the Ivy Restaurant. What one? The chain or the actual Ivy. Rogue. That's rogue one. I would like to go to the Ivy Asia. Oh, cooking foods from different countries. I mean, if Daniel will let me.

Maybe I need some cooking glasses and then I'll just come in and whip something up and Daniel will be like, oh. More swimming? Nope. Absolutely not. More walks. Yes. Indoor skydive.

No I mean I'll pop it on I'll pop it on my list Ziplining Zip lining yeah I love a zip line Q Gardens Q Gardens doing the run there

That's where I'm half marathon Is don't know whether I've talked about it before But I'm doing a half marathon London museums I mean give our take Rage rooms I feel like that'd be good for you Oh Pins flatter room yeah

A rage room though Get the axe out What are you saying? What are you trying to say about me? James Bond film This ladies and Never watch a James Bond film. I've only ever watched one, I think.

Yeah. Maybe I should do the whole start to finish. Or do Marvel. More bike rides? More walks. Yeah, both of those. Eat something I haven't eaten before. Venison, crab or oysters.

I've eaten all of them. I hate an oyster. I reckon I'd be allergic to oysters, so I'd never try. Yeah, you look like you'd be allergic. Yeah, I'm funny with fish. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Certain fish from certain...

I'd quite like to eat something. I've not eaten before. Dance in the rain without a coat. Naked. Naked. Dancing the rain, naked. Done it. Done it.

Anything about dancing in the rain. Walk over the O2 at sunset. I've walked over the O2. Have you? I have. It was good. It wasn't at sunset and it was quite cold. So I'd quite like to do it in the summer.

Oh, that'd be nice. Something with my dad may be fishing as I haven't done that as an adult. Oh, I'd quite like to do something. Do you know what? I'd quite like to go camping with my dad. Oh, that's cute. Yeah, we used to do that as kids. Going to Edinburgh.

Tatto. with my mum. Oh yeah. I mean Mama Jean is 76 and is absolutely not going to be getting a tattoo. I don't even know if she come with me because she doesn't agree to my tattoos. Does she not? Nor does Dad. Who? Yeah. I got them without their knowledge.

I was like, oh look what I got. I was like, whoops. But these are flowers. I was like, Dad, it's for you because you're a florist. Oh. Changing of guards in London? Been there, done that. Lose weight? Not for me. Dance class? Absolutely not for me.

You won't see me dead at a dance class ever. No, do it for your 40. 40 before 40. So you've got to put yourself out there, George. I can't do a dance class. Yulkshadeaus. Live there. Something that scares me.

So I've booked to go to Luana. Luana big party. It scares me as going alone. Not really sure what to expect and not been to the area of London. That's amazing that she's going alone. Feel the fear. That's what I say. That's Anna and Louisa.

That's what we need. We need to do a live. Yeah. Let us know if you want us to do a live, guys. What else? My youngest is going to arrange a day for us on the train and an activity when we get there. But she's not going to tell me where we're going. That's cute.

I mean, I couldn't. I don't think I could like Cooper organise it completely on his own, but maybe he could give some ideas to Danny and Danny can organize it. That's cute, yeah. That'd be really cute, wouldn't it? For a mountain climb? Listen, I've got my, where's my running up? She's all ripe.

I used to rock climb. Oh, did you? Yeah. I was like I was a scout when I was younger. Was you? Yeah. Cautier. So I used to love rock climbing.

Danny actually took me rock climbing ones for, I think it was like my 35th birthday. Oh, that's cute. Yeah, because I love it. So I would like to do. You've got your rope now. I'd like to do some mountain. From your previous episode of this podcast. Pottery classes or glass blowing?

Pottery class, I'd be down for that. Horse riding. Absolutely. That is already on my list. Water sports? Absolutely. Not. Day at the Races. Yes, always. I mean, mud run. Is that like a tough mudder? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. To see the Christmas Cocoa Coach. How, where you seeing that? Is it real? Is it just on the advert? I just thought it was an advert. Escape rooms. Yeah, doing it. Yeah, I'd like to do an escape room. I'd also like to do the trailers one and I'd like to do the cube.

Oh, she's got a lot then. Kayaking in Wales. I'm just not a water sport girlie. No, I think kayaking's quite scary. Yeah. Go to a mystery cinema screening. Yeah. Like secret cinema club? Yeah.

Yeah, I'd like to do that. Go ape. Yeah, done it. But I'd like to do it again. Ballet? No. Tuck your core in. Get your bum under.

Grow. Have your magic string. Do ballet or go and watch ballet? Both. Both. Both. Nothing. Do you know who I love?

Who? Rob and Ramesh when they go and do stuff like when they, have you seen them when they, they became ballet dancers, the rock ones. I bloody love them programs. Do you know what they've done? Because I went and saw it with my mum and my sister, the wildlife photographer of the year at the Natural East Museum,

Rob and Ramesh both entered it. And as I look like those two and one of them won it. I just, I think they're so funny. Go on extreme day trip. Oh. Go to another country for the day.

Yeah. Paris, baby. Paris, baby. Going to dinner on your own? I do that quite a bit, actually. Yeah, that's so cute. Treating yourself to a hotel stay. Yeah, on your own. Skinny dipping.

Skinny dipping. She does that all the time when she goes to a little cabin in the woods and skinny dips. Skinny dipped before. I bet you have. Actually, no, I think I had my underwear on. It was when I was a teenager and a rebel. Oh, how boring.

Yeah. One of my best mates had underwear on, and it went completely see-through when we went. who came out. Yeah, and we were like, there you go, George. Also, I'm going to take this home with me and add some bits on to my list.

Yeah, do it. So, who was it? Cursedy, thank you very much. She turns April and 40. And I really appreciate it. No, she turns 40 in April. That's what she does. Am I okay?

I promise it's not vodka. Right, we listen and we don't judge. I reheated the same cup of tea four times and never drank it while attempting to understand my child's maths homework Oh, I feel for her. Oh, maths. Yeah, the maths and also, do you ever drink a hot drink? No.

Yeah, but only on a morning when I get up. No, but I mean, like, do ever, is it ever hot? Like, even if I make, sometimes I actually do my coffee now for the school run when I'm in the car driving, because I think actually, before I was making a coffee, and then I'd be up and down the stairs and do whatever to come back to, I'm like, oh. I've got an eight-year-old though. he's quite, he's quite offence for himself.

So I, I am actually... Oh, she has a lovely morning. I'm in the hot drink club now. Yeah. But not the maths one. No, no. I started saying just a minute as my daughter... One too many times.

One too many times as my daughter now says it back to me. So I now know how she feels. Yeah. They do that though, don't the kids? They start repeating what you've said. No, it's when Oranian says it to Bodie. And I'm like, that's what I sound like. Yeah.

But it is. That's right, right. Cooper goes, eh! I'm like, oh God, that's awful. Does that what I sound like? Yeah, absolutely.

I googled, is this normal about my three-year-old baby boy at 2am? Again, is this normal? What being up? I'm assuming, I'm assuming. It is normal. It's normal. I mean, one, two, three, four, five,

it's all normal. Yeah, whatever time they get up. Oh, they could be up. They could be up three times an hour and it's normal. I count going to the big Tesco's with my three kids last week as a family outing. I would. Would you? I can't go in there on my own.

I wouldn't. I don't even take my kids shopping. Oh, I don't. But when I go shopping on my own, it's a treat. Yeah. It's a treat. It wouldn't be a treat taking good with me because he won a magazine, which are about seven million pounds.

And they don't read them. They just get the toy. Get the shit toy on the front that breaks within five. seconds and then he wants... Every aisle? Can I have that? Can I have that? Can I get that? No. No. No.

No. I've started to let my son win the odd argument because I'm becoming too tired to care. Sometimes just the... I mean... Yeah. That's with kids and husbands and boyfriends, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, yeah, I totally get that. I think Will does that to me though.

Do you? I think he goes, yeah. Yeah, right. Yeah. But he's literally the most late. person there is on the planet. Cooper's just started like, like almost like not listening to know as being the answer. No, does it mean no? No means yes. Yeah, but it'll be like, but mommy, just listen. So if I go and do this and then do it, I'm like, Cooper, the negotiation skills they've got.

Anything you're going to say to me right now is not going to change my answer. It's still a no. But, and it's like, okay. Well, that's a wrap on another episode. Don't forget to leave. leave us a review and follow us on our socials at at Mums the Word underscore pod. And subscribe to our YouTube channel where you can watch our episodes in full. Just search Mums the Word. So I've been George Jones. And I've been Kelsey Parker.

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