Mum's The Word! The Parenting Podcast - GEORGIA KOUSOULOU: Live from The Baby Show

Episode Date: April 13, 2025

In this special live episode of Mum's The Word, Kelsey Parker is joined by the fabulous Georgia Kousoulou at The Baby Show – and no topic is off limits!The two mums get real about why the jump from baby number one to baby number two hits different, how none of us really know what we’re doing (and that’s okay!), and the wild juggle of work, mum life, and everything in between.Expect laughs, honesty, and lots of "same, babe" moments.A Create Podcast Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

So I'd like to welcome the wonderful, the beautiful, Kelsey Parker! Welcome back to The Baby Show. Lovely to see you. Thanks for having me back. Can we have a little chat about your announcement? I'm pregnant, I'm back and I'm pregnant. Congratulations. My third, am I mad?

So how far along are you? I'm 23 weeks. No way, you look fabulous. Thank you. So you're in the perfect place now, are you going to'm 23 weeks. No way, you look fabulous. Thank you. So you're in the perfect place now. You gonna do any shopping? Yes. Yes.

What are you after? I don't know. I think with your third, I think with your first you get absolutely everything. Then by your third you're like, I just want my house to be quite minimal now. Do you fancy a new buggy? New buggy?

There's some nice new buggies out there. What buggy? What brand? Well I'm not allowed to say. I can't, you know, pick one out but there's some lovely ones. Definitely have a little look around. There's some gorgeous things, really lovely things out there so you do need to go and have a look. Treat yourself. But you've got a lovely guest, haven't you, joining you. So I'm going to let you introduce her. With a different Georgia. The different Georgia, Georgia Kasul will come out. This episode of Mums the Word is in partnership with Love to Dream. Everyone tells you swaddling is a game changer for newborn sleep but getting it right in the

middle of the night, well that's a whole other challenge. My thoughts on swaddling are I think that it is fantastic to swaddle your baby I think they've been inside you and they're all tight and cushioned and lovely and I think they want to be like that when they're out of the womb so I love to swaddle and I've swaddled both Aurelia and Bodie. I think the reality of midnight nappy changes and re-swaddling struggles are hard work and that's why I love the Love to Dream Swaddle Up Solution. It's not complicated, there's no wrapping, it's just a zip-up swaddling for an easier night's sleep.

I love the Love to Dream Swaddle Up Solution. It's no complicated wrapping, it's just a zip up swaddling for an easier night's sleep. Hi babes. How are you? Yeah, how are you? Sorry guys, my voice, I've lost it this week. She messaged me yesterday and was like, Kelsey, I might not be able to do it.

And I was like, don't worry, George, I can talk for the both of us. Thank God for that. If I start coughing, I'm not gonna die. We've got water and we're okay. Perfect. Let's jump straight into a Mums the Word podcast. Those that have listened to Mums the Word,

we talk about everything and everything, a lot of vagina talk. How's yours looking? Is it good? I had a C-section so mine's... Oh, great. You've got a lovely vagina then. It's perfect. Brand new. That's what we like to hear. So those that don't know, I'm Kelsey Parker. I'm mum of three. So I have a five-year-old and a four-year-old somewhere floating around right now,

Aurelia and Bodie, and I'm expecting baby number three. Woo. Georgia. Best news ever. Oh, thank you. I'm so happy for you. I feel like you really deserve this, and I can't wait to know what it is.

Are you going to find out? Well, I do actually have. What, you know? No, I don't know. So I did the nip test. Yeah. And we have the results of the gender, but I've not looked.

Like people can't actually believe that I've not looked. Sorry, you've got the results in your house. Yeah, on an email. And you haven't looked. I've not looked. No, sorry, I can't go. I sneaked, you know with Brody, I sneaked upstairs, looked at the email without Tommy and found out it was a boy. Really?

Yeah. Yeah I don't know, I sort of want a surprise. I've got one of each, this is my partner's first child. True. But I think he just goes along with what I say anyway. But I don't know, I just feel like I really want a surprise. Too fair, you've got one of each and it will be nice. Yeah. Can you wait that long though? I don't know, I just feel like I really want a surprise. Too fair, you've got one of each and it will be nice. Yeah. Can you wait that long though? I couldn't. And also my problem is that Aurelia wants a little girl and Bodhi wants a little boy. So either way, someone's going to be upset.

Do I wait until it comes out and then someone's upset? Do you know what? Wait until it comes out, cause then you can get presents and then they won't remember. Yeah. They'll be like, oh, baby's a baby. I mean, they won't have a clue. So how are you feeling? How are you? I'm surviving parenthood of two. Sorry, no one told me how mad it is. It is mad. Did you find it hard going from two to one? Yeah, so zero to one was mind blowing for me because I think I didn't have a clue what

I'd never changed nappy before. Really? Yeah, that was wild. But then one to two, I was like, whoa. And I've got a dog and a husband who's just... Yeah, I think the husband was the... Yeah. So in the morning I've got the baby, Brody, the dog barking, Tommy. And I'm like, do you know what? Everyone just leave me alone. I just need five minutes to myself, thank you. But you don't actually get the five minutes.

No. Sorry to say everyone. But it is amazing. It is, and I love it. I'm getting through, I'm past the Noob All Nights now. I'm three months, she's nearly four months. She's sleeping through? I don't want to ask that question because I'm not, you should never answer that.

Never ask it and ask it, take it back. And no, she's a really good baby. I just think those that are expecting their first, You should never answer that. Never ask it and ask it, take it back. And no, she's a really good baby. I just think those that are expecting their first, just say goodbye. Because I think, even mine at four and five, someone's waking up, someone's coming into a room, you know. Yeah, it's not... Even when you sleep, it's not like the normal sleep. But do you know what? I feel like I'm so used to that now.

You do get used to it. I mean, if you'd have told me at 21 that you were never going to sleep properly again, I again I would have been like no I need my sleep. Yeah. But you do just get through it as a mum. You get through it. We are so strong. I actually think oh my god I'm amazing. Sometimes I'm like wow how have I done that all that in one day? Yeah. It's mad and you just do it and it's worth it. You just get have a cup of tea you'll. You just have a cup of tea, you'll be all right. Have a cup of tea. Have a cup of tea.

And I generally think it's more scarier in my head, to be honest, than when I actually done it. I mean, it's like the anxiety of doing it, but you're fine. Do you feel like that jump then? So the one to two was big or do you think the none to one? No, one to two, in my opinion, was harder. Really? Just because Brody, so Brody will be four in May.

He was three and a half when I had Gigi, basically, just over, and me and him was in such a good routine. And then obviously Gigi's come along, who I waited for for like two years, basically. And then I was a bit like, oh wait, hang on a second, what do I do if they both need me? And it's like the mum guilt. It's more that kind of side to it.

It's like the guilty, you feel guilty on Brody, but someone told me a bit of advice and they said, when they both need you, as in like they both a bit cryy, go to Brody first because he remembers. Whereas Gigi will be all right, do you know what I mean? And actually that stuck with me. I do think your second just sort of gets. Bless her, she's here today.

She's just been left over there. Yeah, she's on her own. Someone go and check on Gigi, please. Make sure she's all right. I haven't seen my child. Don't worry guys, she won't remember, it's okay. No, but I'm going to be honest, I do forget I have her. Like, no, it sounds terrible.

Like, generally, don't leave her anywhere, but I'll be at home and I'll like, Brody will go to school and I'll sit down and I'll be like, oh my God, I've got a newborn. And I generally have forgot. Yeah. No, she's a dream. I'm very, very blessed.

Very thankful. I think with me as well, I went really close. So my two have only got, I'm pointing at them over there, they're back now. They've only got a 15 month age gap. Wow, you are a super woman, how? So that's what I mean, guys expecting their firsts, it can't be that bad. I'm going for my third. And mine have never known life without each

other. Yeah, and you did. She was only 15 months, so she just had to accept that her brother came in and... But now I think with this baby, it's got to be tracked around everywhere. I mean, the amount of activities and after school clubs, my two do, is ridiculous. Well, do you know what? That's actually a very good point because I think with Brody, I was so obsessed with routine, do this, naps, and it works. I mean, I love routine by the way. I love it. It's great. You need it. Would you say invest in a sleep trainer? Yes. I love Victoria. She saved my life. But with Gigi, I think school run, she bless her

in the mornings. I have to wake her up and I'm like, hon, we're in the car. In the car, we're going school run. And I think she just go, they just come along with you. And I think it's that she's got in her own routine so quickly because I haven't even thought about it. She's just done it herself because there's no choice. She can't stay at home. And also she's fine with noise because she's got the dog, Tommy, do you know what I mean? Like Brody. I think as well make the noise around your babies because I think it actually makes them more secure.

Like my house has always been a mad house, but they feel content. Like even when my two are upstairs asleep, like when the dogs bark and the doors go in, like they never wake up. Don't try and create an atmosphere, I think, would be my choice. I love pink noise.

Don't you love pink noise? What? Pink noise. White noise. Yeah. I swear by white noise. I love it. Sometimes if they wake me up in the night,

say it's like a three o'clock wake up, someone's having a nightmare or someone wants a bit of water, I then can't go back to sleep. I'm like, you're back to sleep and I'm now awake. Oh, that's me. Then I get my phone out and I start doing the white noise and I'm like... I can't sleep without white noise, right? So me and Tommy went away on our own and I

was like, I can't sleep. He was like, well, what's wrong with you? You've got no kids? I'm like, no, no, no, it's too silent. I got my phone out, put YouTube on and put Pink Noise on. I love it. It sends me off. And Gigi likes it already. Yeah, I like that. Oh yeah, I think that's a bit of advice, use the Pink Noise or White Noise. Our advice so far from this pod is get a sleep trainer and White Noise. And you'll be fine with a cup of tea. And have a cup of tea if all else fails.

Makes it better, doesn't it? And I do think routine as well. Did you enjoy being pregnant? I love being pregnant. Do you? I really, really, really love it. Right, tell me what you loved about being pregnant. Everyone gives you attention. Everyone is so nice to you.

Like, they're like, oh, sit down, do you wanna sit? And you're like, oh, thank you. Then when you're holding a baby, they don't offer that. Who do you know? Everyone was so nice. Because all my family's here and they just make me work and do stuff all the time. Everyone was so nice to me and I would use it for every

excuse. I'd be like, oh my mom's so tired, I'm pregnant. My mom, she was amazing but I literally use that excuse throughout. The only thing is second time with Gigi I did IVF. Yeah. So I was more sick more sick. So I didn't enjoy the sickness because I was actually throwing up. Whereas Brody, it was so easy. Well you had no symptoms with Brody. I was like, you'd never know. Really?

I genuinely love it. I like people going, are you alright? I hate being pregnant. I feel like the FOMO, the not being able to drink and party with everyone. That don't bother me that bit at all. Oh, do you know what else I like? Oh, what? What else?

Wearing really tight stuff because I never wore tight stuff and I actually felt more body confident being pregnant than I did up like now. I had this conversation with Amy Hart and she said literally as soon as she fell pregnant, she went out and bought the tightest wardrobe she could find of tight clothes. So I do think that you can wear the body colors. I'm wearing seraphine today, seraphina. But I am enjoying that because I am the mum with... I've got the mum tum and I just don't care what you do, how many gym sessions you do, what you eat, you cannot shift it. What I certainly can't is the hard bit of fat

that is not going anywhere. Is that like bottom? That's what I've got now, obviously I have two C-sections in and I feel like this time the C-section scar is even tighter. So naturally you get, you know, a bottom belly, but it is what it is, you know.

How did you find your recovery from your C-sections? First one, so easy, like great. Like I was actually shocked. The second time, this time around, it's definitely been harder. But I think, again, I've got Brody now. Whereas first time, I used to lay in bed and be like, oh, this is lovely, yeah, can't do much.

Next time Brody's like, come on, mom, and you have to still be mom to him, you know? So I've definitely recovered slower. And also I'm getting married. So there's more pressure. So I'm like, Oh, I need to do this. Yeah, I have seen on Instagram that you've got your walking machine and you're doing your steps on that each day. Sorry. It is the best thing I've ever bought from Amazon. What? I love it so much. And

it's pink. And it slides underneath a sofa. It's so good. I just pop it out. Because listen, it's all good saying, I'm going to go gym. I'm going to do this. And I have been trying, but when you have both kids all day, you're doing the house, you're knackered. Like you are knackered. And also getting a babysitter every time you want to go do a gym session is long, like it's annoying. So I've been putting it away. I think I'm the only person that falls pregnant and actually goes back to the gym. They don't recognise me. They're like, you've not been here for a year. Who are you?

Why you're pregnant? I'm not pregnant. I'm back. I'm going to the gym now. Oh, that's good. I've got to get my legs strong every night for birth. You know what? It is good to do that. Yeah. I wish I did that. And also now I'm like, I've sort of got to get my...

I feel like that first stage as well, I was so sick. Have you had the same, like, pregnancies? No, mine have been so different. Oh, go on, tell me. I love a little guessing there. I do feel like I'm quite a sicky person anyway. Oh. Hungover sick, sick if I'm tired, I'm quite sicky.

Emotional sick. So I've been sick with all of them, but I just think also cravings have been very, very different. Go on. I love an old lifestyle. With Radia, I just wanted ice cream, cake, sweets. With Bodie, I wanted salt and vinegar on everything. Chips covered in salt and vinegar.

With this baby, I am more sweet. Oh. So we will see. Like I actually do want cake and I'm not really in cake level. I'm saying girl. I'm voting girl. Do you think girl? I don't know'm not really in love. I'm saying girl, I'm voting girl. Do you think girl?

I don't know, I just said it. I'm just gonna go over here. I'm always wrong, but I'm gonna say girl. So there's a lot of girls at the moment. I feel like it's a proper girl boom. There is a lot of girls. We'll see, you've got one of each, that's lovely. Yeah, so what would you recommend as your like key item

that you couldn't have lived without? Oh, my mom, I love her so much, thank you, mom. Honestly. I mean, it depends. Mine's a bit brutal though. We've just discovered that. Just get on with it. Really? No one have her around when you're having a baby. You're free in. We're free kids in. She was just like, get on with it. And I just had preeclampsia. And she's like, come on, get the baby on your boob, Kel. She'll be all right.

Oh, mom. She's like, look at you now, it's done you good. Booh. Booh. It's done you good. Oh god, I've never breastfed, so obviously bottles for me is the best things ever and a bottle maker saves me in the middle of the night. Yeah, tell me more about the bottle maker. So the bottle maker, I use the Baby Brezza this time around. I've never used it before. Have you changed your products from one baby to another? Well, a lot has changed.

I got the Eye Candy Prime this time and I've got to say I'm really enjoying it. I've got it today, it's like brown and it just looks nice. And also the way it pushes, I'm not saying I'm really old and boring now, but the way it glides. Oh, it's all about the push.

The way it glides is lovely. So I'd say the eye candy I probably couldn't live without now and it just looks nice. I'm like, oh, I like it. Do you have a doona? No, do you know what? I used it at Brody and I haven't had one this time. I should have, I haven't got that yet. I don't know.

I think a doona is going to be on my cheeks. Really? Well, I think because I'm going to be doing so many school runs and after school activities, Oh, handy, yeah. that it's just going to have to come around with me. So I've never thought of that. I need to go and test the Duna out. Test the Duna.

I've just been getting the car sitting, clipping it on the wheels. Yeah. It's amazing for me. Yeah, and then I did have that, but I had a Cybex. Oh yeah. With my two and I've got to say that is an amazing push for Cybex.

I would say it's sort of a Ferrari up there in the push. And the double is really easy. Oh the double yeah. Well actually. One's on top, like they're on top of each other. Yes you need that. Because Brody's at that funny stage where he's a bit like, I'm a big boy now. Does he actually want to go in the buggy?

He's walking at the moment. Because he likes it. But I have got the bit for him on the eye candy that he could sit on. Yeah that's nice. He's like, oh no I'm a big boy. I'm like, alright then. Alright then.

Give it a couple of months. Anyway, roll with that because mine two are squeezed into a buggy to date together. Yeah but I like a buggy, I feel like they're safe in a buggy. They shouldn't be squeezing together George, I mean someone is in year one at school, she should be using her legs and walking around She's like no mom princess. I can do I want so tell me Yeah

Also, John can't leave out a dummy a dummy. I love the dummy. Love it. I'm here for it And then when do you take the dummy away? I actually took it early away with Brody six months Yeah, only because it started waking him up because from six months they become aware of their surroundings. Then you've got to put the dummy back in. Yeah, and I'm not doing that. But no, for now. I did that with Bodhi.

I took it away at six months. It's all right. I'd rather, because I keep seeing this thing about no dummies and all this guilt. I'm like, no, I love it. Sometimes as well, the dummy's for you rather than them. I don't think my two were ever really bothered about a dummy, but I think it just gives you that security to know that when you're out, you can put a dummy in it. And also if you want to get into the whole sleep training

and you want to start, yeah, sleep training. So you have to work out hourly bottles, for them to go, the dummy helps, things like that. And also teething, Gigi's teething already. She's three months. Yeah, mine were early, mine were early teething. Gigi's teething already. She's three months. Yeah. Mine were early. Mine were early teevers. Do you know what though? Why? What I figured out, no teething products are for three month olds. They're all five month, six. Why is that?

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getting a sleep coach that it's actually really, really on my mind. And also that I think the fact that Will hasn't done this before and I've got to get Will into some sort of sleep routine with the baby. So to make those first few months easier, I've already been talking to Will and trying to get him prepared for those sleepless nights. However, I do feel like he is a really deep sleeper, so he might not even wake up in the night and he might not even hear the baby crying and it's going to be all me. And that makes me dread the

sleepless nights I think I've got to get myself back into that newborn stage of sleepless nights I saw a mum at swimming and her baby was only two days old and she was like the baby's doing really well it's sleeping like every two hours I was like oh my god I've got to go back to that it's gonna be sleeping every two hours in the night and I'm gonna be up so yeah get prepared for the midnight content from Kelsey whilst I lay awake breastfeeding a baby. I think what helps a newborn sleep better is if you are relaxed the more relaxed mummies the more relaxed baby will be I think just roll with it and go with the flow and feed on demand

basically with baby and that's why I love the Love to Dream Swaddle Up. It helps babies settle faster by allowing arms up positioning which is scientifically proven to calm babies. So was Tommy supportive during your labour? He makes me laugh because I had two c-sections because both babies are breached. I found out now that my uterus is, they kind of call it a heart-shaped uterus. Basically my babies get stuck, which I never knew, in a position they're always going to be breached, so I'll never be able to have a natural labour. But he just makes me laugh because this time around he was acting all nervous, like walking down. And I was half looked at him and I was like, to be breached, I'll never be able to have a natural labor. But he just makes me laugh because this time around,

he was acting all nervous, like walking down. And I was like, I looked at him and I was like, are you all right? Because I'm literally about, I'm the one that's going to get cut open in like two minutes. Are you all right? He has to watch it though. No, he doesn't.

He stands, he sits next to me behind the blue thing. And they're like, Jordan, look, he's like, absolutely not. I'm like, can you be a bit calm? Because I'm literally having a panic attack right now. But no, I just feel like he just makes me laugh because I just think they would never be able to do it. He wouldn't. He says it now. If he has a cold, he's cold in bed for two weeks. I'm like, oh yeah, I'm all right. All jokes aside, he's been amazing. I think he's more nerve wracking

this time around because we knew what was going to happen. Yeah. We just wanted the baby here, you know. And is he quite hands on, Dad? Does he change the nappies? He's done a few of Gigi's nappies, but I'm going to be honest, this time, because it's a girl, I think he pan... I panicked though. I'm going to be honest, changing a girl nappy is so much harder than a boy. I found boys so much easier because it's all on the outside.

Do you know what I mean? Yeah, you've got to get it. It's easy and I panicked because I've never changed a girl and I was like, oh my god, what am I doing? I had to ask the midwife. I'm like not embarrassed to ask questions. Yeah, you and I think that is so good though and that would be my bit of advice is ask as many questions. Yeah. If you're going into hospital, ask as many questions. Even if you're in labour and you're confused or you want to know, like you wouldn't just go and buy a house and just say yes okay I'll take this house. You'd ask questions. Make sure you ask questions. The thing is I think people get embarrassed to ask because they think

oh does that make me like not a good mum and should I know? And I have been there but I think I probably should know these two kids in but I don't so I'm going to ask and I was literally like how do I change my child's nappy which sounds ridiculous but I needed to know so I asked. To be fair George I think everyone is winging it though if you, everyone yeah. I had this conversation last week on the pod I don't think there's anyone out there that has their stuff together. They're lying. I think we're all just winging it and we're all just trying to get through each day. We're surviving.

You know, we are surviving and we're doing it together because everyone's in the same boat. Off tea and caffeine. Exactly. And I just think, you know, we're not going to know what to do. I was never a mum before Brodie and now I've never been a mumma too. So it's just learning every step of the way and there's nothing wrong with that. How do you find juggling work?

No. Just no. No. I don't know why I do it to myself, Kelz. I'm going to be honest with you, I've had a baby planning a wedding and trying to work for only six months. Who does that? The wedding and the babies,

you're putting a lot of pressure on yourself. Like you're saying to even, you know, look good and feel good how you're gonna want to on your wedding day. Like it's a lot. You're putting a lot of pressure on yourself, why? I don't know. You wanna know why? I just feel like I always do this

and then I moan about it, but then I feel like secretly I thrive. Yeah. Of being busy. Like I thrive off it. And obviously I'm trying to work because weddings are so expensive, by the way. I am really trying to work hard, by the way. I've got a lot of bills to pay, like my flowers. Tommy don't know that. I've just told him the different price.

I love that the women all keep the secret back of how much flowers cost, because I don't think men expect flowers to be that expensive. I've hid it off the invoice. I've had to. He don't get it, but he don't need to know. He don't think men expect flowers to be that expensive. I've hit it off the invoice I've had to he don't get it but he don't need to know he don't need to get it. He might find out today. He won't listen just don't listen to this bit. Fast forward here. Just fast forward. They're gonna look nice. Please no one DM him. You know what I have I have said because it's that we're doing a two-day so like the next day our basis it's half price because the flowers are coming to the next day. So really, it's a deal.

Yeah, well I reuse the flowers and put them at one place and then move them. I bet. So if whatever drunk state I'm in, I'm bringing in flowers home with me. I have to. You've got to. I've got to. I've got to now. I've said it out loud. The flowers are coming home. But yeah, Kels, I don't know. Do you know how I do it? I've got family around me and I'm very, very lucky. Very lucky to have help.

I have to have help. I generally like, I don't know how people do it all. I can't physically work, be a mum, plan a wedding without my mum and Tom's mum. They do help me a lot. So yeah, I'm lucky. I'm massive about the village. I wouldn't be able to get through each day.

Like I said, everyone's coming with me today. I wouldn't be able to get through each day if it wasn't about the village. Like I wouldn't be able to get through each day. Like I said, everyone's coming with me today. I wouldn't be able to get through each day if it wasn't for the village. Oh, no, the village. I like that my sister-in-law here, Liz, like we are very close. We live five minutes apart. And we, she just had a little boy called Jesse, he's one.

And we are constantly helping each other without, I don't know how I would get through life. Like you just need someone. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? It's nice. And again, at that point, if you've not got anyone, reach out to people because... Reach out, yeah. And don't be afraid to ask for help.

I love asking for help. I'm like, please help me. Nothing wrong with that. Trying to do it all, you know. But we're trying to juggle work at the same time. We are. And work, listen, like yesterday I was working and like I can work around Gigi. She's a really good baby. But at the same time, it just takes me three times as long, obviously. She needs feeding, she needs changing. And also I think, because I work from home a lot, my head's not in work sometimes.

It's easier for me when I'm on my own because the dog needs letting out, he's barking, and then the door goes, then the bait. I can't, it's really hard to get my head into like, because when I'm with Gigi, I'm a mum, right? And that never leaves you, but then I need to also be professional and actually do work. We say this all the time, that when you work from home, it's the mum guilt is so strong. It's hard.

Because you're like mum, but then also trying to film content, do stuff. Also, you're a chef, you're a bum wiper, you're in everything. I'm literally, oh, and I'm like, by the end of the day, I'm like, oh no, I'm tired. But we do it and we're getting through it and I can't complain, we're very lucky and blessed. So I just, yeah, my secret is help. Just ask for help. Yeah, I just think don't shy away, ask for the help.

I need help. Help me please. We all need help. What about wellbeing in your pregnancy? Is there anything that you feel like people should be doing for their wellbeing? Did you do hypnobirthing? Did you go to any groups? First time I did it all. Did you?

Every class. I did every second time. I was like, oh no. I just think the only thing, do you know what I did do? I kept getting massages. Yeah. And do you know what? It's one of them things where I never, like when you get a massage, you're like, oh my God, best thing I've ever, ever had. I'm going to do it all the time. Then you never do it, do you? When I was doing IVF, someone told me that the massaging is really good to get the blood flow in. And I believe it helped me, it worked. So I carried it on and it actually does help the body. I feel like it. Also, I think you need that me time. When you are at one of

the body. I feel like it. Also, I think you need that me time. When you are a mum of two or one or like you need that time to just actually chill and rest. Yeah. Or just, do you know what? Even washing your hair. No, like just having a shower in peace. But when I mean in peace, not having the kids sitting in a little chair watching, that's not peace. That's like, you know, when like your mum's there or someone's there and you're like, just have them and just go upstairs and just have a long shower. Do you have that thing in the shower where you might have it now? Well George, what path are we going down here?

You might get in it. What have I got in the shower? I might have to be careful, no I'm joking. I get it now where I think I hear cries, which is a bit weird. So it's nice when my mum's there and I can actually have a nice shower in peace. Yeah, well I don't feel like there is a shower in peace or a poo in peace because they're always a problem. I feel like when you decide to shower or poo, that's when a fight breaks out in the front room or something goes wrong with the TV and literally someone comes in.

Well, they just want to tell you the full rundown of the school and what's gone on and who's their friend today and who's not their friend and what they had for lunch and what school teachers said what to them. Well, mum, why is that bee looking at that fly? I have no idea, hon. Why is there a spider there? I have no idea. Yeah, is the why. Why is that tree there? I say that, the questions. The questions.

I don't even know the questions. I have to Google them. Yeah, and my questions are quite advanced as well for my children. Are they? Oh yeah. Homework, oh, I'm not looking forward to that either. I'm not as last day.

The homework is next level. Year one homework, I'm struggling. I'm gonna as well, but we've got Google now, haven't we? Yeah, the spellings are so hard. I'm like, how can I expect her to do well when I can't even read the word? I mean, it's hard, isn't we? Yeah, the spellings are so hard. I'm like, how can I expect her to do well when I can't even read the word? It's hard, isn't it? We need like a little guide on what to do. But for me, when it comes back to massaging, I feel like this time around, everything is

so tight. Really? My legs are tight, my back's tight. Probably because you're doing so much with the other two. I have, I'm going to invest in the massage. I think maybe I need to get a massage gun as well. Are you allowed that? Are you allowed that?

I don't know if you are pregnant. Where's the rule book? Get the rule book out. I don't know actually. Sorry, section three. No massage gun if pregnant. I might have made it up. I do make things up.

I think you have made that up. Surely you can have a massage gun. Seek advice. Just there, I need it there. It's the clutes, it's the bum. Seek medical advice before we tell anyone to go buy a massage gun pregnant. Seek advice.

Seek advice. Go and speak to your doctor and ask if you're allowed a massage gun. I need a massage. You're doing a lot, that's why. I actually am a workaholic. Yeah, you don't, you don't stop. I know a lot, that's why. I actually am a workaholic. Yeah, you don't stop. I know, everyone says it to me. Even today I've been to the dance school before

I came here. Yeah, you. Popped in here. I don't know how you do it. Had a chat with you. Yeah, this is nice. I love it. I love being busy. I thrive off being busy. Yeah. I don't know what I'm going to do. I mean, even my producer on this podcast asked me what my maternity leave's going to look like. There isn't in our job. There isn't in our job. I was like, Dom, I'll probably just like push the baby out and be in the next week.

Like, or Zoom, like. I think with Brody, I filmed my show three days later. You what? Yeah, I was filming. Oh. Yeah. How? I don't know. I don't even know.

I mean, I didn't know what day it was to be honest. I probably was just like, thank you for my job. Like your milk could have I didn't know what day it was to be honest. I probably was just like, thank you for my job. Like your milk could have been coming in, I bet you it was an emotional wreck. Yeah, that's why I cried the whole first year, Reyes. I was like, oh what day is it? But yeah, no, yeah. I don't know, our jobs aren't really like that though, is it? Yeah, I think we could say that about you as well, the Georgia Crying Show or something like that they called it. I cry a lot. I've realised I'm such an emotional person, I didn't even realise. I think having kids makes you more emotional.

I cried at Brody's Christmas, like, what is it, like a show? Yeah, the Nativity. He was a camel. A camel. He did nothing and I cried. I was like, oh my god, my little camel. Odie was a star. Oh, see, a star is the main part. No, he wasn't a main part. He was at the side with the other stars. I didn't even know there was a couple there. There was a section of stars and there was a section of shepherds. No, he wasn't a main part. He was at the side with the other stars. I didn't even know there was a couple there.

There was a section of stars and there was a section of shepherds. No, but exactly. I was a bit upset that he wasn't the lead, actually, children. Do you know what? Stars are good. Camel. They added that in. Did you know there was a camel there? I didn't. Yeah, I cried. Yeah, because it's just you're so proud of them and you can't believe that you've produced this child and they're on stage. No. He didn't even do anything.

You just looked around like, why am I here? And I was like, oh my God, I'm so proud. My kids, I am so not emotional. I don't cry about hardly anything. No, that surprises me, actually. What about me? Yeah. No, Georgia, I'm not a crier. Like, it takes a lot to make me cry.

But I think when you give birth, do you cry? No. And like, no. I think the When you give birth, do you cry? No. And like... No! I think the midwives were shocked because I didn't actually have any pain relief. And then after, for me, when you spoke about your uterus, I think, be prepared for, on the second, the uterus contracting back was the worst pain I've ever been through.

I feel like that was actually worse than like labour, than birth. And then I went, oh, can I have some tablets for that? They went, literally you've gone this whole time and not had anything. Really? Yeah, I'm in pain now. How funny. I think everyone's different, ain't they? I'm excited to hear this story. Let's see. There's always a story with me as well. I feel like I never go through life

and it'd just be plain sailing. I just wish I could. Yeah, but it's nice, a bit of entertainment, ain't it, for your movie? as well. I feel like I never go through life and it just be plain sailing. I just wish I could. It's nice, a bit of entertainment, ain't it, for your movie? Yeah, but I just really want something nice. I'm just asking the universe. Please, please. You've got to bait this baby's your... Come on. You're fine. Give me something nice.

Although I'm excited to hear if you need pain relief. Because I have heard that third... I shouldn't tell you this. Yeah, tell me. Come on, tell me. Yeah? Oh, nah. Third Labour. Why is it saying about the third child? Third Labour's the worst one I've heard. Really? Yeah.

Have you just made this one up again? No, one of my best friends. Who's told you this? My best friend just had a baby, a third one. But then she could have been making it up, so you're fine. Yeah, and I just think all children are different. That's what I'm hoping. I'm hoping it's just going to fall out.

And also you're Superman, you can do it all. Yeah. I'm fine. I'm still.'s just going to fall out. You're super and you can do it all. Yeah. Fine. Let's do it. Well, anyway, thank you so much for joining me. You're welcome. It's been so nice.

I've been Kelsey Parker and this has been Georgia Casillo. Oh my God, you're sitting in the front. Oh my God, I said it right, guys. I was practicing backstage. I was like, why have you got a really annoying last name? So annoying, but I am getting married. She's getting married and she might change her name. I don't know if I will actually, it'd be weird wouldn't it?

No I just thought, yeah, just keep your name. Just keep it. Just keep it. Yeah well thank you. We've made a decision today. And I feel like it's a girl, I'm putting it out there. Okay, it's a girl, there we go. It's a girl.

It's a girl.