Mum's The Word! The Parenting Podcast - SARAH JOSSEL: Not Going Back To Work, Ignoring Online Hate & Top Mummy Beauty Tips

Episode Date: June 22, 2025

In this episode of Mum's The Word, Georgia Jones is joined by the incredible Sarah Jossell, an award-winning journalist, presenter, and broadcaster.As the resident beauty columnist at Sunday Times Style and the go-to beauty expert on ITV's This Morning, Sarah brings a wealth of knowledge to the table.Together, they discuss Sarah's decision not to return to full-time work after having children, the challenges of being judged by other mums online, and the realities of transitioning from one baby to two.Plus, Sarah shares her top beauty tips for new mums, making this episode a must-listen for any parent looking for some expert advice and reassurance.A Create Podcast Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome back to Mum's The Word. I'm your host, Georgia Jones. Today I am joined by the amazing Sarah Drossel. She's the resident beauty columnist at Sunday Time Style and the go-to beauty expert on ITV this morning. So grab a cuppa, get comfy and let's jump in to a brand new episode of Mum's The Word. So Sarah, thank you for joining me on the podcast today. It's a pleasure to have you with us. Thank you for having me. You're looking gorgeous in blue. Oh my goodness.

I feel like this is your colour. Do you know what? This is my, maybe the fourth blue outfit I've worn in the last few days. I'm gravitating. So one person told me it looks good with my eyes. Yes. And I'm hooked. Yeah, and then you're done out here and you're like, days, I'm gravitated. So one person told me it looks good with my eyes. And I'm hooked. I mean. Yeah, and then you're done out here and you're like, okay, this is my colour. Someone said pink to me and I was like,

I really got a pink, Elma. Okay, I'll go with it. I feel like blonde and pink just has a stereotype. No, I know what you mean, but I do also think it's the blue eyes, the blonde, the pink, it depends what shade of pink. Yeah. Because you could go Barbie pink,

but actually like, oh God, we've turned this into a fashion podcast. We really have, haven't we already? But a really lovely like pastel, light pink could be gorgeous on you. Thank you. I love how it's complimenting each other. This is what we need in life.

Do you know what? That's what I love about your Instagram, actually, because you are a bit of everything. Although your big background is beauty and beauty journalism and I've watched you on this morning, fangirls a little bit when you walked in. I was like, oh, I love watching you on this morning. You also have, you know, parenting side of things.

You've got your fashion side of things. You've got interiors, which I'm very much enjoying. It's all happening. It's all happening. It's all happening. It always happens all at once, doesn't it? Oh yeah, yeah. Are you renovating at the moment?

Yes, but essentially as my second child was born, the, we completed. And so it was like, right, what's the plan? I was like, I don't know. I don't know. So yes, we're renovating, new baby, column is still going. It's all, yeah, it's... So you have two little girls, don't you?

Exactly, I've got Grace who's two and Ivy who's four months. Wow. You've got your work out. I had two under two, yes, two under two. Two under two, exactly. Two under two. And how was it transitioning from one to two?

How did you find it? I like a challenge and I thought, oh, well I can do it. And actually I found it harder than I thought I was gonna find it? I like a challenge and I thought oh well I can do it and actually I found it harder than I thought I was going to find it. Did you? Because I like to make sure that everything's okay and not everything can be okay when you've got two tiny humans. You know people will say I've got a child and a baby but they're both babies when they're such a close age gap and for the first time I had to be okay that not everything was always going to be okay.

And I'm not good at that. So I've had to really teach myself, it's okay if one child is crying for a few seconds. I can't do both. So you have to just do your best. And it's been a real learning curve having to, because when there's one that you can give your all to that one.

And you can- Yeah, you can best it out. Yeah, and suddenly I just couldn't make them both happy at the same time. And it was a completely new skill almost to learn that you couldn't do at all. Of course, and it's really difficult, isn't it? When you do have that level of, I suppose perfectionism

of like, this needs to be a certain way. And then two just really, really throws it all out of the, out of the park really, doesn't it? Oh yeah. And so, you obviously, you know, you are a very career-driven woman. You have a column in the Sunday Times style. Yes. And you present on this morning, you do the beauty features,

which if you haven't seen it, watch her because she's incredible on there. You can get so many tips. But you made a decision after having, was it after having the first or your second? After my first. After your first, that you weren't gonna go back full time to work, did you decide to go back kind of like? Yeah, so it was really, I have worked nine to five

since I was 21, I'm 22 now, no I'm just kidding. Yeah, yeah, I'm now 24. 38 now, so that's a long... See, she just say her age. Yeah, exactly, there you go. Yeah, I was a nine to five Monday to Friday. And I say nine to five, when you work in the publishing industry,

you really have to love it because you're not in it for the money. So you have to love what you do. And when you love what you do, you tend to not work nine to five, you tend to be working around the clock. And when you want to constantly get up on this career path and climb the career ladder, it's not like,

oh, I've gone viral and it's done. I went from beauty intern, beauty assistant, beauty writer, deputy beauty editor, beauty editor, junior beauty director, beauty director. So that was, you know. It's a process. Yeah. You really do have to work hard at that type of career.

Exactly. So I really went for it. I gave it my all. It was, I think maybe 12 to 14 years of climbing the career ladder. And then I got to be director and I was in my dream publication, dream title, dream everything.

Yeah. And I could have stayed there and carried on, but I was itching and hungry for more. There was just something else. And it wasn't like the job wasn't giving me enough, but I thought I want to do a podcast and I want to do video and I want to, there's so much I want to, and I want to do a big charity concept in the beauty world. And my mind was exploding with ideas. And then I went off and then I fell pregnant and I thought, well, you can't do it all. You can't. So it's this famous thing of women. I say women and then I fell pregnant and I thought, well, you can't do it all, you can't.

So it's this famous thing of women, I say women, and I'm sure there's lots of men who also feel this way, but they're very nervous to ask for something that they're worried they're gonna get a no. And I always think of Oprah saying, if you don't ask, you don't get. And I just remember after Grace, who was my first was born, I constantly thought about going back to this job nine to five

and I can't tell you the amount of people when I made that decision, I can't tell you the amount of people that thought, oh wow, so you're going off to be a stay at home mom because I was walking away from that job and it was the opposite. I was reshaping my career rather than giving it up. So I made that impossible decision

to step out my comfort zone after all I've worked for to suddenly not have that safety blanket of a full-time member of staff contract. And I went in and I said, love this magazine more than anything. Could I still have my column? And when my editor, who I love more than anything, really respect, when she said yes, I almost fainted. That's incredible that number one, you were brave enough to do it and make that decision. Also having just had a baby, because you know, our brains aren't quite the same after we've just had babies.

I mean, I say it was, I only went in and asked her when Grace was nine months. Okay. So it was when it was, you know, when I was, I had to go back. Yes. And I just thought, before I go back, I still want to be a part of this publication because I love it, but there's so much more else I want to do. And I just thought before I go back, I still want to be a part of this publication because I love it,

but there's so much more else I want to do. And I do think people say if you don't do it then, then you get back into the job and then you never do it. And sometimes as well, when you've had a baby, you kind of have that like, you almost don't give a fuck anymore. Like I'm gonna say it because whatever, well, I mean, you did have something to lose,

but it's kind of like your outlook on life really shifts, doesn't it? And your priorities and you're like, I need to do me actually, because I've now got this little person, I need to be the best version I can be. And if me being in a nine to five, isn't that, then I need to sort something out.

And it's so amazing that you went in there and kind of like were brave enough to go in. And how long- I do laugh because my editor's always like, can you spit it out? I was like, blah, blah, blah. Oh, don't go on me. Can I just have a collar please?

I want to do more. But how long was that process of like pondering the thought of, to the day that you did go in and say? It was a long time. Was it? Yeah, it was a long time because I kept thinking, well, you can't leave that job. It's the dream.

Yes, yeah. Like anyone who wants to be a beauty journalist wants that job. Like it is the absolute pinnacle in my industry. So how could I ever imagine saying to someone, could I possibly do it in a different way? So I was petrified, I was petrified and stepping out my comfort zone.

And as you said, you're already a little bit on your back foot after a child because you look in the mirror and you don't look the same, you don't feel the same, you've got baby brain. Isn't it better to just keep everything the same? So it took so much confidence, so much sort of talking to myself in the mirror to really go in there.

And my main thing is I didn't want to walk away fully, I wanted to still be a part of it. So it was, yeah, it took a while. When you got pregnant, so obviously prior to you getting pregnant with Grace first, you were so career driven, climbing up that ladder. When you got pregnant with Grace, was there any part of you that kind of like panicked

of like, oh, oh God, like my life is going to change now. Or were you prepared? Were you ready? Were you like, this is what I want? I'd say it's a bit of both. I would say on the one hand, I thought, I have always given 100% to this vision

of what my career was going to be, and suddenly I was gonna have to give 100% to something completely different. So I remember my last column, my Instagram post said, time to give up one baby for another. And because my column is like my baby, you know, it's just, it's where I put all my thoughts down. I'll never forget being at an event and someone saying,

I just feel like I know you because your column, you've spoken about your wedding and your babies and your, you know, your deepest secret. You shared everything in there. We really feel like we know you. So to suddenly not be writing it every week just felt so weird. But what I would say is because I have worked,

I worked sort of so hard on my relationships and the people I work with in the beauty industry as a whole, I did feel ready to just stop and reevaluate and go off. And I felt very, very grateful that I felt confident that I never had to be like, what if I get forgotten? Or I would say, you know what, I've worked really hard, it's okay to take a break. And I felt very sort of just proud of myself

that I had that confidence, because I know so many people that are petrified to go off on maternity leave. What if they get forgotten? What if their maternity cover does better than them? And I didn't have any of that, which I felt very grateful for, because it's petrifying.

Oh, it is. I feel like a lot of people that work in like the social media space, me for one, when you have a baby, there's that panic of, oh my God, if I'm off for a certain amount of time, people will forget about me. And they might for a little bit, but it's fine. You come back and everyone's like, oh, there she is.

Let's start following her again. I will never forget the editor of the paper saying to me when I went to say goodbye to her, I was like, I'm going. She said, here's the thing. The day you leave, everyone will forget you because all their jobs are ticking on. And the day you come back, it will be like you never left. Yes.

So just go and enjoy and take as long as you need. The day you come back, it will be like you never left. Yes. So just go and enjoy and take as long as you need. The day you come back, it will be back to normal and you will kick yourself that you spent your maternity leave thinking about work. Yeah, of course. And it's so true, that's a really, really good way of thinking actually, I wish I'd have had that advice. I know.

And obviously, so you do the TV side of things as well. How did that come about? How did you get into that? I loved doing video and the Sunday Times was purely paper when I joined as in, you know, people would go out and buy the paper. Physical copy, yeah. Still love reading the paper as a physical copy.

I'm the same age as you, Sarah, so I appreciate this. There you go. It was always, my mum and dad would go and get the paper at the weekend and. I'm the same age as you Sarah, so I appreciate this. There you go. It was always my mum and dad would go and get the paper at the weekend and it would always be there. And the supplements inside. There's just nothing like that actual tangible feeling I'm holding at the magazine. Agreed. But with the time that I was there, Digital, they started to speak about Digital and I was like, well, I love doing doing video and I remember for years just doing videos in my bathroom and then I remember a brand saying to me would you interview a makeup artist for us and then it went from makeup artist to brand founder. I remember interviewing Marcia Kilgore

who is the founder of Beauty Pie and just being blown away by that brain and her knowledge and then it went from there to will you interview Holly Willoughby? She was doing something with Garnier and we did that. And this morning saw me interview her there. And then I got a call at 5pm on Monday to say, Hi, could you come in and talk about fake tan tomorrow? Wow. Like amazing. I need to fake tan. Yeah, like I really need to tan though. Yeah, they said send me your six products you want to talk about.

And I remember I went in the next morning, I was half orange, I had fake tan everywhere. So I thought I'm gonna talk about it, I can't be pale. No. And it was Rylin and Lisa Snowden presenting that day. And we just had such a laugh and the rest is history. Oh my gosh, isn't that incredible? What a story, what a story.

Also by the way, I saw on your Instagram that you interviewed Celine Dion. Well, I honestly consider retiring. That's all I needed in my life. I would say that's you've peaked. That was the, I would say in terms of highlight, people say is that a career highlight? I think it was a life highlight.

Oh, that is just. She was an ambassador for L'Oreal Paris and wait for it. They took us to Las Vegas. Did you watch her perform? Watch that in concert, which probably will never happen again. I don't like you that much right now, Sarah. I know, it was a moment in my life

where I just thought, is this all real? Is this all real? Yeah. And then they said, you've got 15 minutes. And actually, this was a perfect example is if you don't ask, you don't get. Now I ask for everything. I was like, can you stop asking? But it was a written interview and I just went turned around to her management said, please can it be a video? I beg of you. Like how could

this be print? And they were like, absolutely not. Celine would never, Celine would never. And then they came back and said, she's so dressed. And then they said, don't ask her about Botox and injectables. And then I said to her, as I was starting, they told me I'm not allowed to ask you about Botox, judge, but she said, make it your first question. Oh my, didn't she ask it? Was it your first question?

And you could see her manager being like, hello. And I said, Celine, do you ever have Botox? What do you think? And she said, I am petrified, I would love to, do you ever have Botox? What do you think? And she said, I am petrified, I would love to, but I'm too scared. And I said, no. Oh, so she doesn't have any? No, nothing.

Wow, right? There you go. Wow, I love that this is on my podcast as well. Celine does not have Botox, everybody. Jamie Nell headlines tomorrow. Yeah, of course it will be. Sarah Drossel and Georgia Jones. Talk about Celine good reality.

It really does. Watch out, Kelsey. So, talking about all this, the online world, and obviously your presence on social media is fabulous. But it comes with judgment. Our lives do, don't they? How have you felt being judged? Have you been judged?

And how have you felt if you have been judged? So it has been one of the most eye-opening experiences I've ever had because I speak about beauty for a living professionally and you don't get the same sort of judgment. You'll get thanks for recommending that product or oh, I didn't get on with that product. You know, you get that sort of judgment you'll get, thanks for recommending that product, or, oh, I didn't get on with that product. You know, you get that sort of feedback.

And actually, television opened my eyes to it a little bit because you get a lot of commentary on what you look like, which is very nice. Everyone telling you what they think of your face and your outfit and your whatever. But the Mams, this has been another whole experience for me. Because I think something that I now say a lot is, Mums, this has been another whole experience for me. Because I think something that I now say a lot is yes, we are all in it together, we're all moms,

but my goodness, please remember that we all have completely different experiences of motherhood. So whilst we're in it together, we're also very different. So when someone is talking about their experience, don't jump down their throats for thinking, well, I don't do it like that. You don't know her financial factors, her, the support that she's got, her health factors, her everyday factors. We don't know what's going on before we say it. So the reason why I say that is Grace was born and I went online and I, it was, it was actually quite mind blowing.

I just went on to stories and I said, we're going out with my best friend and I literally cannot put on one outfit without still looking nine months pregnant. It's not a big deal, but I'd like to feel a little bit better in my clothes. Does anybody know about any sort of spanks that you could wear?

Or something that I could just hold you in a bit. Like I'd had an emergency C-section, I was in quite a bit of pain. I felt awful in every single thing that I put on. Does anyone know of anything? Really? Georgia. You would have thought that I had said,

I want to kill someone or something. Yes, it was, you should be proud of your body. You should be proud of the kangaroo, but I don't even know what was it called? Kangaroo pouch. Yeah, I was like, that's what this is called. But I'm not. Yeah, it was terrible.

It was, I suddenly had offended the whole body positivity movement. And this is the problem, because you're allowed to feel a certain way in your own body, and that's allowed. Same way with, you know, like people that have Botox, people that don't. If you want it, bloody do it.

I mean, I'm all for it. If you don't, don't, all for that too. Whatever the hell you want to do. And it's the same with when you've had a baby. The judgment is just extra. I was devastated. Oh, I is just extra. I was devastated. Oh, I bet you were. I was crying, I just thought,

should I just delete my Instagram account? Everyone was being so unkind. And actually, my sister said something to me, which was so true, she said, why don't you look through and just read the nice things? And it is so, why do we focus on the 500 unkind people when there are about 1000,000 kind people. We have such a terrible habit of just focusing

on the really mean people on there, where actually a lot of people are saying really nice things as well. What I wanted to say is, just so you know, my best friend's been diagnosed with breast cancer, we're taking her out to make her feel 1% better. I wouldn't be going out otherwise, I just want to put on an outfit to make my best friend

feel good and know that I'm there. And now I'm just being absolutely bombarded, like no one knows why I'm wearing the outfit, no one knows my background, no one knows that factor. And that's why my whole thought process is, just remember you don't know the full picture. Exactly, like you have no idea what someone is going through separately. Like, you know, you and your friend would have been grieving the fact that she's been diagnosed with breast cancer.

And also, you probably weren't going to go out that early on after having a baby. And actually, I tell you what, when you've had a C-section, I haven't had one, but I know this from my sister, you don't feel very supported around your stomach area. You've got a hefty scar there. You know, you've just had major surgery, which a lot of people seem to forget when women have cesarean. It's like you literally are, you know, cut right to the center.

So yeah, of course you might want a little bit of extra support. Also, if you want something that's a bit smoothing, that you know, will make your clothes just fit a certain way, it's okay. If you want to wear a push-up bra, get those tints out. It's okay. I don't wear a bra. I've got none. And that's also all right. I free my nips all the time. And that's okay. And that's okay. That's supposed to be the mantra of this podcasting. It's okay. This is a new We Listen and We Don't judge. It's like, and that's okay.

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little bit? Not to sound dramatic, but it's like it just consumes you. Completely. And it is sad that we do only focus on those negative comments. And those nasty keyboard trolls out there. They know what they're doing. They must just be really, really horrible, unhappy people. I bet you any majority of them aren't mums.

And God forbid if they are. Because I bet they've felt like that before as well. And that's the thing, like, I think people hate to admit that they do feel a bit, oh, God, you know, I'm feeling a bit wobbly, like when you first get pregnant. And no one knows you're pregnant and you're just really bloated and you feel a bit shit and you're sick and you're grey and you're just,

everything's swollen a little bit, hasn't it? It's really hard. Honestly, sometimes I think, and I remember being in that phase and my husband being on a stag and I just thought, sorry, what we go through. I know. What we go through. I always think that, I always, like,

whenever I think about a woman having a baby, I'm like, we grow an actual human and give birth to it one way or another. What George and I are saying, we're amazing. We're absolutely amazing. Like completely amazing. Females are just incredible. Yeah, well done.

Well done. Well done. So if you could give anyone online a bit of advice of how you then dealt with that, you know, the hideous people being nasty about, you know, you being a mom and the way you dealt with your body and whatnot, what advice would you give to someone? Do you know what I have found is when you have a baby, you naturally are on your phone quite a lot

because you are doing night feeds and you're at home. You sort of go into a world where this becomes your reality, what you're seeing online. When you feel like it's all getting too much and you're comparing yourself and everything feels comparing yourself and everything feels quite heavy and quite dark, just go out and meet people. And I don't mean like go up to a stranger. I mean, go meet some friends, go see people who make you feel good because

just one dinner you come back feeling so much lighter. And I've had that where I've suddenly thought, do you know what, I'm too in my phone, I'm too in my phone and I'm gonna say yes to that work, you know, or I'm gonna say yes to, going out with those four people who I don't know that well but I've always been quite intrigued by them. And you go and you have great conversation and great food and maybe a glass of wine. And you end up just, you come home and you're like,

oh, I feel so much better. And actually everything I was feeling was not real. It was just your phone was doing that to you. So my advice is put the phone down, get off the grid and go into real life. Cause you will realize that this is the tiniest, tiniest, tiniest snapshot of reality. It's not real.

Yeah. And they're not your friends. They don't care about you. They just want to bring you down. Yeah. And that's the thing. I feel like the more successful and the more happy you kind of are online, the more people want to bring you down.

You know, you have a baby, you're just having the loveliest time with this gorgeous new little person. People are mean! Do you know what we said the other day? I was at this dinner and I actually thought it's so true. Why are the like your best performing posts are the ones where you're telling people

that you're struggling. If you dare say I'm having a lovely day with my child, you're bragging and you're boasting. We're not really allowed to say that we're loving it or that our child slept well or that we're breastfeeding in case we're upsetting someone. It has all gone to, I don't know, now I'm nervous. I'm saying all of this. But do you know what I mean?

Like you kind of have to have a problem in order for people to say thank you for being real. Yeah, yes, absolutely. One of my best, not one, my best performing person when I've said like, oh, Cooper's got a problem with his legs at the moment, he's getting pain in his legs. I mean, those ones are quite good

because people are asking advice and they're going through the same thing. But if it's ever one that's kind of like having a bit of a down day. Oh, people love a down day. People love it. But you know what? That's why this is not real.

It's lovely and you get all the likes and whatever, but sometimes I'm just like, just get off the phone. Even us being here today, this morning, I was stressed about a few things and deadlines and whatever and I thought, am I gonna get to the podcast on time? Just being here, not looking at our screens, talking, their eye contact.

Like seeing someone's reaction to what you're saying rather than wondering what people's reactions are to what you're saying rather than wondering what people's reactions are to what you're doing is so much healthier. Yeah, it really is. What you were saying before about like, just going out for dinner. And I'm sure a lot of new moms listening to this will agree,

the thought of sometimes going puts you off. And you literally go, oh, it's easier just to stay in. I remember I fell into that trap when I'd just had Cooper, which was a long time ago now. But, and I used to be like, I still do now sometimes if I'm not feeling like 100% myself, of it's just easiest to stay in. I'll have a bath, I'll watch some telly,

scroll on my phone for hours and then go to bed. There's a lot of solitude. There's a lot of just being alone. And when you're not feeling your best, it's not great. No. It's really tough. Yeah. And that's why sometimes I'll just invite a friend around. You're still in your own house. It's about getting out. It's about a change of scenery and it's easier said than done obviously. Yeah. But and I'm not saying go on holiday but if you can get out for an hour and just see someone who makes you feel good. Yeah. I just think it's the best thing you can do.

Agreed, I think that's just really sound advice for mummies, new and mummies that have older kids as well. All ages. Make sure you take that time to socialize. Yeah. And it sounds so simple, doesn't it? But you just forget, because you become so become so consumed

with everything else like well I've got to put a wash on and need to hang that washing out so I can't go out right now because I've got to do that. Sob the washing. So true. Just leave it. Yeah the washing will be fine. It will be fine. It will get done. I know we've just got a bit of sunshine. I burnt yesterday Sarah. I know can you believe it? You can't tell me that you burnt. I know. I thought to myself I'm gonna have to admit it. I go on and on about sunscreen all day. Now I am gonna ask you a very, I know, can you believe it? You can't tell me that you both. I know, I thought to myself, I'm gonna have to admit it. I go on and on about sunscreen all day. Now I am gonna ask you a very, I'm gonna ask you a couple of beauty related questions

that aren't really anything to do with being a mother, but because you're here, I have to. Please do, this is my language. Could you just tell me the best sun cream for my face that's gonna be like, just like putting a moisturizer on, because I do feel like putting sun cream for my face, that's gonna be like, just like putting a moisturizer on, because I do feel like putting sun cream on instantly is like spot central. No, it doesn't have to be.

You could use the Garnier SPF every day on your face and you will get no spots. You could use the La Roche Posay SPF on your face every day and you'll get no spots. And there's one that I'm using at the moment from an Australian brand called Ultraviolet, but it's Violet. Yes. Oh my goodness. They've got a new mineral sunscreen that I've been wearing under my makeup and I actually look forward to putting on SPF, which is really crazy because that's

something, it's always a chore SPF. Suddenly I'm like, I mean, that's my favorite step. I love it. Do you do moisturizer then SPF on top of moisturizer? Right. SPF is the lid. It's how I always describe it. It's the pot. It's the lid of a pot.

So you're putting all your skincare ingredients. That is the lid. It's the SPF. Cause think about it, if you were to do it the other way around, if you put your SPF and then your moisturizer, you're just rubbing your sunscreen off. Right, gotcha.

You're just, or you're diluting it, or you're moving it around. You want to know that you've put your SPF all over. So it always goes moisturizer and then SPF. SPF is the lid. I promise you, I'm going to be a really good girl now. I am now going to put notifications, I'm gonna see when you post and if it ever comes up that you've burnt. I'm really sorry I honestly thought to myself this morning I'm gonna have to admit to Sarah

that I burnt, it was my chest actually. I know, oh I know and that's somewhere that's gonna be really wrinkly when I'm older as well. That is a telling point. It's allowed to happen once a day. Okay. It happened, but it won't happen again. It's the first bit of sunshine we've had. Now you've got a lovely garden. Yeah. First the chest, then the eye.

Yeah, it's all going to go downhill now. Now the summer's coming and you'll see me. I'll be a little shriveled prune next time you see me. I'll be like, Sarah, I didn't listen. No, because now I've given you the sunscreen, so you're gonna be just fine. Yes, exactly. And another bit of beauty advice

is related to being a mummy. What things did you do to your skin, your face, your body? Because you just dry up, don't you, when you've had a baby? I know, yeah. It's literally like you're dry from the inside out, aren't you? I mean, that sounds a bit dodgy, doesn't it? Well, you probably are actually, aren't you?

All those stitches. But you're just dry. So what, obviously water, we all know we need to hydrate, but what was your key things that you would do as a new mom or still now to pick you up a little bit? Well, interestingly, drinking water isn't going to hydrate your skin. Oh, what?

That's a myth. What? I'm so sorry. So sorry to break the news to you all. Oh, take it off. Yes, it's obviously very good for you and it's, you know, drink water, definitely drink water, but it's not going to make your skin soft and hydrated.

Devastated. Soz. Right, okay. So what you really want is hydrating ingredients like glycerin, humectants, et cetera. So what you want to do is just go really simple. Yeah. A brand like CeraVe has got the most wonderful,

and it's called Intensive Body Lotion. It's a pump. You're gonna pump it into your hands and rub it on and it is just going to leave your skin so soft, you don't need to buy really expensive products. Firstly, it just melts into your skin instantly, so you don't have to sit there rubbing it in for ages. Yeah, it's not one of those ones that's white for ages.

No, it doesn't leave your skin sticky. It just vanishes basically, it is an absolute joy. So I'm gonna tell you now, you can get it in boots, super drug, anyway, it's so cheap. That's all you need for your skin for every day. What you did say to me is what makes you feel good. And actually I have so much fun in the shower. Oh, oh yeah.

Oh my God, I feel like we've got lots of exclusives. Yes, they get. Breaking news. Breaking news. Do you know what? I have a lot of fun got lots of exclusives. Sorry. Sorry. Breaking news. Breaking news. Do you know what? I have a lot of fun in the shower as well. Oh. Yeah. Tell me more.

I just feel like, you know, when you have one of those everything showers. Yeah. My favorite experience of the week. Totally. So whenever I've eaten sleep and I get my time to go have that shower, I use like products that have got incredible scents to them,

things that smell amazing. Jo Malone has a whole new shower gels. Everyone knows Jo Malone for fragrances and diffusers, but now they do shower gels, shower creams. You want something with a scent that you love. So there's a beautiful brand called Necessaire, like necessary, but necessaire. Oh, okay, yeah.

Oh my goodness, they've got one with eucalyptus, things like that, so you immediately go to a spa. Yes. And I just, I love scalding boiling hot shower. Me too. Any shower that's lukewarm. We're the same person. Aren't we the same person?

Aren't we? We're separated a bit. We've got the eyes, both of them blue. We do, yeah. Yeah, whenever it's lukewarm, it's against life. Absolutely not. Yeah, apologies. It was a nightmare when I was pregnant.

I was like, oh, I just want a scalding hot bath, please. I want to come out red. I always have, but then I used to laugh because I'd go in the bath, make it probably a tiny bit hotter than I should have, and then you'd get out and your skin would be a little bit red, but then you'd just have a white bath. White bump, because that'd been out, yeah.

would be a little bit red, but then you'd just have a white bump. White bump because that'd been out, yeah. But yeah, so I think when I think scent is everything, when you're feeling a bit up and down, it can really change your mood. Yeah. So, fragrance is so important, like the shower gels that you choose, anything like that. It's a funny one because people actually say, oh, I don't use fragrance after I've had a baby because I'm worried about the baby on my skin.

Yeah. But I don't know, you're not like dousing yourself. It just spritz on your shirt or something. Or if you use a lovely shower gel, that's enough to give you like a lovely scent anyway, isn't it? Totally. And then you've got your makeup heroes that you don't necessarily need to look done every day,

but what can you use that's quick, easy, and makes you feel more you? That's what I always say. So for me, it's a little bit of concealer on areas that are just not quite themselves, whether that's my red nose or the odd spot, something like that. And then I just love a stick that can do eyes, cheeks, lips.

Ooh. What color would the stick be that does your eyes, cheeks and lips out of interest? It's sort of like if you were to go for a run. Yeah. Oh, fresh. And your cheeks go that sort of flushed red, pinky red. Yeah. It would be that. Right. So it's just a veil.

It's like a little halo of colour. It's not a smoky eye, a contour and a lip lined lip. It's just a... And that is so easy as and a lip line lip. It's just a, shh, shh, shh. And that is so easy as well when you've got a new baby to do super quick and just so you feel a bit fresher. Totally. Because you do go quite gray.

Oh yeah. So yeah, that bit of color in your cheeks and your lips is just, exactly. And an eyelash curler, I often think. Well, look at your lashes. You've got amazing eyelashes. They're not actually all my eyelashes, unfortunately. Breaking news, another... We have created so many headlines today.

Oh my God, we have. I can't do anymore headlines. Georgia's eyelashes are not real. Not real. Half of them. So I like chop eyelashes in half and just stick... I know you can get like the half ones, but they're still a bit too long. Do you do that every day? No, no, not every day. Just when I'm on TV. half and just stick, I know you can get like the half ones but they're still a bit too long. Do you do that every day? No, no, not every day, just when I'm on TV. Well they look incredible.

Oh thanks Sarah. I couldn't do that. No, it's super quick, just a tiny little strip at the end there and then I just blend it with mascara. They look great, what mascara do you use? DHC. Oh really nice. Yeah and it's a tiny little mascara and the wand is so small but I just feel like it gets all the eyelashes. No, really nice. Yeah, and it's a tiny little mascara, the wand is so small, but I just

feel like it gets all the eyelashes. No, really good. Love it. We're just having a chat about like having the beauty recommendations. Back to otherhood. Well, I mean, we're nearly at the end, Sarah. I loved it, Georgia. Thank you. I've really enjoyed chatting to you. It's like I was just talking to my mate. But thank you so much. I feel like with our beauty tips, we've talked about Celine Dion, we've talked about parenting and the struggles of it. Spanx. You have been wonderful. Spanx, yes we've talked about Spanx. You've been wonderful.

Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for having me. It's been a joy. So thank you. And I promise I'll wear sun cream. That's a wrap on another episode of Mums The Word. Thank you so much for joining us today as we were joined by the amazing Sarah Jassell. Don't forget to leave us a review, follow us on socials at mumsaward underscore pod and subscribe to our YouTube channel, just search Mums The Word. Until next time, I'm George Jones and this is Mums The Word and we will be back with another episode,

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