Mum's The Word! The Parenting Podcast - ‘They Twisted My Words… And I Took the Backlash’ Georgia Jones & Kelsey Parker on Online Judgement & Media Headlines

Episode Date: March 23, 2026

This week on Mum’s The Word, Georgia Jones and Kelsey Parker are back reflecting on the Mother’s Day special… but the conversation quickly turns into something much deeper.Georgia shares what it was really like having her mum on the podcast, from expecting juicy childhood stories to getting a surprisingly reserved version instead, and why seeing your parents in a new light as an adult can be both funny and emotional.Meanwhile, Kelsey opens up about the realities of being judged online, after facing backlash for something as simple as getting her dog professionally trained… and why people seem to have an opinion on everything.The pair dive into the darker side of social media and the press, as Kelsey shares her frustration over misleading headlines that completely twisted her words about grief, and the emotional toll that comes with having your life picked apart publicly.They also talk honestly about loss, strength, and what it really takes to keep going when life throws the unimaginable at you, as well as why showing the “real life” behind the highlight reel matters more than ever.Plus, things lighten up with stories of kids’ first crushes, awkward parenting moments, and the unexpected milestones that make you realise just how quickly they’re growing up.Expect honesty, a few rants, plenty of laughs, and a reminder that no one’s life is as perfect as it looks online.Grab a cuppa, get comfy, and join Georgia and Kelsey for another episode of Mum’s The Word.A Create Podcast Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello people. Welcome to a brand new episode of Mums the Word. I'm Joom. And I'm Kelsey Parker. Today we reflect on our Mother's Day special episodes and what it felt like hearing our moms talk about us as parents. And we speak about how and why our kids are the shining rays of love that help us, I giggle a bit on that, that help us always find a way forward no matter. are how heavy we may feel. So grab a cup of get comfy. And let's jump into a brand new episode of Mum's the Word. So I had my mum on last week. Yeah.

And I must say, I loved having her on. She was a lot more quieter than I thought she was going to be. Well, what did you think she was going to spill the beans, shrunk? Well, I just thought she was going to be a bit. She was obviously just nervous. Nervous. I think she was nervous. She's probably never done anything like in her life.

No, she hasn't. And I just, it shocks me because I thought she was going to come on and be like, like, she normally is, but she was really reserved. That's cute, though. It was cute, but also I was like, come on, mum. I dread. Literally, my mum is like Aurelia, that I actually dread what my mum's going to say. Even when we're out with people, I'm like, her, her, surprise up. Was there anything I didn't like when I was growing up, like asking all the juicy questions? She wasn't. And I was like, I know what she's going to say.

I know what she's going to say. Didn't say any of it. I was like, but mum, didn't I hate eating anything with any flavour or it wasn't I really shy when I was younger? I'm trying to get more out of you here. Yeah, I was like, come on, mum. Anyway. Did she enjoy doing it? She did.

But like. Did she say she felt nervous after? No, she didn't really. I was just a bit. Yeah, I just didn't realize she was going to be like quite as reserved and shy. She was, but you know, that's fine. It's not everyone's cup of tea. Well, my mum makes me laugh so much because she's obviously doing Instagram now.

Oh my God, I've seen her. And I just think, why not? Do you know what I mean? My mum's 60, like, do it. But she is so funny. She does these, spend the day with me. They're actually pretty good though, so I can't even say anything because she's like, she talks to her chat GPT.

She knows what she's got to do. Oh, bless her. And she does it. Like my mum obviously is involved in my businesses that I've done. got so, you know, having a platform for her is great. Yeah. But when we was away on holiday, I just kept filming her because she's literally so fanished, but I think I'll get to 4,000 followers.

By the end of the holiday, she did actually get to 4,000. I'm sorry, like, hi, guys, thank you. She talks all the time, but she said, obviously, when she started talking to camera, like, I used to walk with her and she's like, oh my God, I'm so nervous. Now she doesn't care. No, she's just like, whatever. We're so scared, aren't we? But why the hell not?

No, I know. Who cares? And also, if people want to go back and talk about her, she says even like, you know, if her friends are slagging off, not that her friends are, I don't know that. But even if they are, let them, who actually cares? Yeah, well, that's the thing. It only is because of people being jealous.

Yeah, like, it's not. Also, jealous that she's got that confidence to do it. Or even if they're like, God, it's cringe, then like, so what? So what if, I mean, I don't think it's cringe. I think you do you. But, like, even if they think that, obviously it's something in them that. It's something within them.

But what is so funny about it? about my mum is how she does it as well. So like, the angles, I'm like, mum, that is like the worst angle you can do. And that is, like, Mom. That is what is so funny that her doing it. She's like, I'm not like you. I wasn't born into this social media world, was I?

Oh, she just absolutely cracks me up. I love it. I love it. Even my manager was like, I've just started following your mum. Oh my God, that's brilliant. I'm like, get her some work. Get her some work. Yeah, her some campaigns.

But we went off after mum being on the pod. and had like a mummy daughter, a mum daughter day out with my sister as well. Oh. And it was so nice. We just had such a nice time. Like, it was a bit of trekking. I kept saying to Lauren, we just get a taxi there.

Because like, mum's 76 now. Yeah. And Lauren's like, no, no, it's only 10 minutes that way. I'm like, 10 minutes for you who's like 40. Yeah. Not 10 minutes for my 76 year old mum who's got arthritis and a knee replacement. And come on, Laura. Lauren, he's like, get on with it.

Because she's a doctor. She's like... It is quite good, though. Yeah. Well, yeah, you'd probably be like that as well. Yeah. But we did some really nice things. Like, we went to Duck and Waffle and went up, up.

Mom could see all of London up there. We went to the Wildlife Photographer of the Year, which me and my sister normally go to every year, actually. Which doesn't sound like something that I would do, does it? No. No. I actually really enjoy it. Oh.

Yeah, yeah. And we went to nice restaurants. We went to Cirque to Salis. Oh, lovely. So it's full on day. Yeah. Oh yeah. We had like a proper, proper London day out. Oh, I love that. Because you don't really do that when you live in London, do you know? No, you don't. So it was really nice. You just had a really nice time. But saying that, George, actually, you actually triggered something. Even, so when we went away skiing, my nan came and my nan, I think is that maybe 82.

Yeah. But my nan had this fear to go out. But it was funny because Will was back. at the chalet with the kids and my nan. Yeah. And they were coming down to me. And he was like, she doesn't want to come. Like your nan's saying she's not coming. I went, right, put her on now speaker. Get her on now speaker.

He was like, okay. I went, get your clothes on. Get your thermals on. Get your shoes on because you are coming down. Well done. Yeah. She went, oh, okay. But like if you are not direct,

like they, she would have just stayed in that all week by herself. I think, do you not think that older people get, the more worried they get about doing. thing. Because I think even us, like, even like at our age now, like, think of like, well, you might not be because you're very, what's the word? Go, hung, go, hung, hung. Hung, Hong. Hung. Gung her. That's what you are. Was that right? Gung her. Yeah. Yeah. Right, just get on with it. Yeah, anyway, you grab life. You go get life. And I feel like, when you get older, like, more things scare you. Like, for instance, skiing. Yes. You're more worried about her and yourself.

Yeah, of course you are. And I think. The older you get, the more and more worried you get. And then you end up just staying indoors, don't you? Yeah, but if you do, that's like the beginning of the end, isn't it? And then you sit down with spiral. You've got to keep going. So you must make sure these old people. You've got to keep going.

Got me more gone home. Get your old mums out. Get your old mums out. You wanted to rant me about something. Oh, I wanted to rant because people just actually, I was going to say, crack me up. Or just blow my mind. So when I went to Tenerife on holiday, I got Storm, looked after. Kelsey's dog, Storm.

Storm, the Doberman. The Doberman, the protection dog, and pet. So she went to Michael, who's a good friend of mine, an incredible trainer. Yeah. She went and stayed with him for a whole week. Yeah. Which was unbelievable. Obviously, he had her doing stuff every day.

She actually went and stayed in his house too. So it wasn't like she was at Kennels. Yeah. She was actually in his house. And he was training her. He was training her. She went absolutely everywhere. So I did that, got back from holiday,

pictured storm coming home and was like, oh, I think she's missing Michael. People must be like, I can't believe that you are getting your dog trained. Can't you train your own dog? Oh, for God's sake. I'm like, people honestly blow my mind because, okay, I've got a job with him.

If I don't get her trained, I'm sure people are going to have a lot to say about her. Don't a lot of people get. get dogs trained by a professional trainer. They told me that I should be going on Facebook. There's Facebook groups to help you train your dog. Right. I'm like, okay, so you're telling me to train my own dog

when I can actually go to a professional. Yeah. Who, that's what he does as a profession. He supplies dogs. Oh, so you weren't even there. Protection dogs. So you were, instead of sending your dog to a kennel, you were like, actually what I'll do?

Yeah, no, no, they said I should just send her to a dog sitter. It would actually been better for her to go and not train every single day. with a natural professional dog trainer. But there's like so many dog classes out there where dogs get trained. She starts that soon. She just baffles me. No, but also, keep your opinion to yourself. People have said to me about her collar.

What's wrong with a collar? Oh, that she could choke herself in the crate with her collar. I'm like, oh, you just are. It actually puts you off sharing anything now. Yeah, I know it does. Because everything you do, you think, oh, I better not share that Stanley because people might tell me not to drink out of Stanley because I could actually choke on a bit of plastic around the lid.

Oh, I know. It blows my mind. Look, okay, I get Instagram and we're putting our lives out there for maybe people to say something. But we don't need to judge everyone. We don't need to comment on everyone's lives. Just do you. If I saw something that you're doing, I wouldn't go out my way to be like, Georgia, I wouldn't put that on or I wouldn't do this. Well, I know, but that's the thing.

It's like, I feel sorry for these people because that are making such bold, unnecessary comments because it's like you're either very, very unhappy or very, very bored or actually just not a very nice person. It's one of the three. But would you stand outside the school gates

and so like, okay, because you wouldn't have that opinion, but say on Storm, would that person outside the school gate and I went, oh, I've just put her in a dog trainers for the week, they wouldn't go, I can't believe you've just done that. No, of course they wouldn't.

Like, there's just no way you'd even give that opinion. People are brave when they're faceless. when no one knows who they are. I am quite an opinionated person but I do see the bigger picture of stuff and I'm not judgmental. I think, you know, not opinionated, I will say, oh,

you know. Oh, well like you and me, we disagree on things, but you don't put... It's an input. It's not me going to, I would not, like, you should not do that. Well, no, like when you see me doing certain things online that you probably necessarily wouldn't do, you don't message me and go, George, like, I really don't think you should do that.

I just can't believe you. It just... Oh, you'd say it to my phone. first. And I said a little less judgment, a little more kindness, but I think this actually goes throughout because I had an article in the sun and the daily mouth. So it stemmed from our podcast. Yeah, which I was speaking about. When I had Phoenix, it was harder with the children dealing with grief than what it was with Tom. Because you had to explain it more to them because they were older. Bode was 18 months. There wasn't really a lot of explaining I had to do

And if the journalist that posted this had have actually properly listened to our podcast. But it's not just clickbait anyway, isn't it? But what they actually wrote was Kelsey Parker says she found breathing her stillborn son harder than she did with her late husband, Tom, as she talks navigating loss while being a mum. But that's a non-through headline.

And that makes it sound like, oh, didn't really care about Tom. Yeah. I didn't really care about losing Tom. And the problem is, the problem is that, that journalists like that don't understand how detrimental those types of headlines are because a lot of people only read the headline and don't read the story. And then they'll go on and go, oh God, did you see that Kelsey Parker said that? Well, then the Daily Mail comments were absolutely viable and one lady said this should be taken down

because that is what you've actually, the story doesn't read the headline and the headline is just clickbait for people to click on it. Yeah. And it's untrue. And then I get all this backlash that I'm like some big. bloody media whore. Yeah, well, that's the thing. I'm not. I've just done a podcast. They've picked out from my podcast. And it really annoys me because, like, so much of what they're posting is untrue, right? It's not true. It's just they've twisted the way that something has been said,

or they've taken a picture, a pap has taken a picture, and said something, like, for instance, I was drinking champagne and celebrating a while back. I certainly was not drinking champagne and celebrating and barely left the house. But and then people see that as the truth. They see that as a truth story. But it's like Instagram. They're seeing that, that 10 seconds of your life and thinking that's actually what you're like and who you are. Yeah, but that's why I think it's quite nice for like you, me and pretty much everybody I follow on Instagram is that they do post their real life as well. Yeah. They don't just post that 10 seconds of perfect life. They also put, they might post that, which I really like to see.

I actually really enjoy seeing people happy, seeing people enjoying themselves, wearing nice clothes. I love it because I'm happy for them. I do want to see the real too. But then, yeah, exactly. But then I also want to see when they're struggling. Well, I don't mean I don't want to see anyone struggling. No, but in real life because everyone struggles.

It's nice to see that we're not the only one struggling. It's nice to see that they're feeling like a shit mum that day or they feel like they failed at parenting because it makes you relate and it makes you realize you're not the only one, which is so, so important. But yeah, the press. But also, even with that, it's like we're talking about something really deep as well. It's not like I just like, oh yeah, like they just went on holiday Phoenix in time. Like we're talking about people in my life that I've actually lost.

And you're trying to belittle a relationship with my husband, my best friend, my soulmate, my absolutely everything of 13 years and make it sound. like I've losing my newborn baby, which is equally fucking harrowing and I wouldn't wish it upon anyone and trying to belittle what I'm saying. But it's like you've not even fucking lived it either. They basically pitted them against each other.

I swear and then I'm so angry. She's angry. I'm going to set up floating on it. Don't mess with my kids. But they've pitted Tom and Phoenix two people that have died in your life against each other. Yeah.

Who does that? I know. Like who goes to bed at night and can sleep? And can sleep knowing that they've just pit two dead people against one another. It looks like, but what headline will actually get clicked? And that's a headline that will. Oh, what? She didn't love Tom.

And then I'm now following from this, I'm going to get loads of dickheads that are then going to now comment on all my posts. And I did actually a beautiful post about Tom because this is Brain Tremor Awareness Month. And they'll probably get on the comment and go, oh, she'd this. even love him anyway? Yeah. Because they're looking at all that stupid stuff. And you know what as well, right? The thing is, is I know you were a very, very mentally strong person.

But if you weren't, something like this could absolutely flaw you. Yeah. Like, you know, if you have this article written, which is completely untrue, and then all these comments, stop reading them, by the way. Otherwise, I'm going to. No, I don't actually, I like to actually see how. evil people can be. I'm like, how can you actually be that evil to go on? I think when people are that evil, they need reposting. Yeah. You need to like, name and shame them. How can you be that evil? How do you

wake up in the morning and think I'm going to call this girl a media whore and that I have my legs open and whatever? It's like, do you know what? I'm a mum of two children. I've lost a baby. I've lost a husband. come and walk in my shoes. Yeah. And then see if you'd even write that comment to me. Yeah. Nobody, nobody know, well, people know what's going on in your life and they're still fucking horrible. Yeah, you can't even, people couldn't fathom it.

They couldn't wake up and live this life. And because I am quite strong, I like, you know, I'll read them comments and think more about that person and go, wow, you might need to go and take some happy pills or go and rubber crystal. I need to. I think they do need to rub a number of crystals. But I know what you're trying to say If I wasn't strong That would actually break me Oh my God, it could

Like it really really could But that's why I do think that people In the public eye You have to be built for it Because it is so tough And you know Some people They can't

You're not built for it And you can see why some people Turn their back on this industry Well I nearly wasn't The press nearly broke me It's brutal It's brutal Yeah

They were horrible Horrible Yeah but also it's a weakness, isn't it, as soon as you're down? And this is why we're so different to America. They raise everyone to the top and they big them up, don't they? And they're like, worldwide superstars.

Here, it's like, we want you up there and we can't wait to then pull you down and, like, really just, we'll pull you down. We'll stamp on your head, really crush something into you and bring you right down. And I always feel like they do that with people that are doing really well. So anyone that seems to be succeeding really well.

Yeah, you've got to wait at your moment. Yeah. And then they're like, Like, they're doing, they're doing far too well. Let's, let's knock them down a peg R2, shall we? And also, can I just say, none of us are perfect. No. No one is perfect.

Whatever your life looks like, it is not perfect because no one is perfect. And everyone who listen to this pod, people at home, they will have stuff going on in their lives. The only thing is with us, it gets splashed across the papers. Ours is a bit more visible. Yeah. Yeah. But no one's life, I can guarantee it. People now have a little thing that listen to this.

Is my life perfect? No, because nothing's perfect. Nothing is perfect. Nothing in this world at all. Because it's world. We're here living. We're here living life. The only thing that is perfect is Cooper's new relationship.

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But heart eyes. Oh my goodness me. I have never seen him laugh or cuddle or fawn over somebody. Like Cooper fawned over one of my best mates, little girls. And they were born two weeks apart. Oh. But Jess lives in Wales. So they haven't really spent much time together.

If they get married, we've got lots of pictures of them together when they were babies. But they spent some time together for the first time in quite a long time. So she's called Dolly and then a little brother Ozzy. Poor little Ozzy didn't get a looking, bless him. Yeah, just elbowed out. And honest to God, I came down in the morning. They were snuggling on the sofa watching cartoons. It's funny though, isn't it that like...

It was just like half adorable, half... Excuse me, he's mine. You're not going to be that mum, I told you. I'm not, I won't be that mum. I was like, it's fine. Her mom is one of my best mates, so it's all right. Back off, bitch. Yeah.

I was like, what's that big? Kelsey and Georgia, call a six-year-old a bitch. She's eight, so it's fine. Oh, it's fun. But yeah, I mean, it was honestly, it was the most... It was the cutest thing. to watch because I've never seen that side of my child before. Oh, it's cute though.

Yeah, because he might be like that school, but you wouldn't see it. Because he was like red, like blushing, like full-blown blushing. It was just adorable. And in other news, I think he's hit puberty because he needs to use deodium. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. He's on natural deodorant.

Don't worry tells. Yeah. No links in our house. Only fussy. So he's smelling delightful. Oh, bless him. Yeah. Anyway, going back to relationships,

Aurelia and Albi, obviously they're only six months apart. They've actually been sort of brought up like brother and sister. However, well, Albi's going to be a footballer. He's going to be a professional footballer. Okay. This is what he says. Great. So he then talks about everything that he's going to buy Aurelia

because they're going to get married. Oh. And when they drive around, Kelsey, they always go in the car together to swimming. And Kelsey's like, they literally point out the houses that they're going to buy together. Well, listen, they've got goals. And then on Friday, because Albi does K to K, K to K, obviously he has like the full pick of the girls so he's floating with the girls she I saw her the other day and she really his face she was like she lived she was like I'm marrying alby and I was

like okay like it would be weird if you two actually got married but um she was like I'm marrying alby and then he's like talking to I can't say the kid's name the other kid yeah and he was like and she's like and they're talking about that they're going to be boyfriend and girlfriend but like alby's mine well alby needs to learn yeah The knotter in front of a raily's face. Not shooting for you of an arena, yeah. Idiot. Well, the next minute, them two are fighting anyway, so you literally kill them.

Oh, it sounds like a married couple already then. Oh, yeah, they are. They're ready. They're sorted. I feel like we've not touched on much on our script, but I don't think we need to because we have gone to town. Yes, we've gone to town today. We've maybe need to talk about the love part, though, because obviously that was in the main thing. Our kids being our raise of sunshine.

Oh, they are our rays of sunshine. Yeah, because you said recently, some weeks. weeks feel heavy, some feel light. What was going on when you posted that? No, I just think they do, don't they? Like, obviously, we're moving into March. I think for me that's always, like, a big month because so much, it's one brain tumor awareness month, so I just don't know how Tom could have died in a better month.

Like, to be more pushing and, like, showing people like, you know, it is the biggest killer to under 40s and children. What day? Did Tom die? 30th of March. 30th of March. Oh. But, yeah, so it's a big month for me.

So I just think as well with the kids, you just think, I look at them as well and think how much we've actually been through together. Yeah, yeah. And we're still standing and we still are happy. And, you know, they are, they've got so much love and they're so kind and they're such beautiful children. And they obviously are the light of my life because I don't know how I'd have actually got through it without them. Do you feel like they're pulled you through?

Without a doubt. I don't know how I'd have got through it because also their needs are so like, obviously especially at the time when I lost time you know him being a baby his needs was so much more so it gave me that to focus on I think that's always it though isn't it because your kids always need you yeah they need you when they're that little

and you have no choice well you either well I mean you do but I mean if you chose the other option then I wouldn't have been present I had to be present for them you had to be yeah even the other day I was ill and I was in bed and Bodie couldn't even come upstairs because I think he was so worried that something was happening to me

but you think that they've had so much loss and they're so aware of death that they're thinking is mum all right upstairs? I said why didn't you come up and see me? He said because I was scared to see you. Oh bless him. Because he obviously thought I was really ill and for him illness leads to death

oh little sausage oh that breaks my heart. So be nice online guys be nice we have to go through a lot but even with that like you don't share all of that do you? No. I don't go on and go,

oh guys, I've been really ill in bed and Bodie said this and da-da-da-da. Like, because some things, you know, I've shared it now on here

but some things at the time don't need to be shared. Well, no, because you know, the last thing you think at that moment is, oh, let me just pick up my phone right this second.

Yeah, but I do think some people do. I do think some people might do that, but, you know, we don't. Should we go on to where we listen? And we don't judge.

So, my child in reception asked me why daddy has less hair than the other dad's. Is what, like, literally what children come out with? I know. Some of them, like, come out with such things.

Cooper's done it. I think all our kids have done it. And it's embarrassing and you don't quite know what to do. There was a very, very, very large person. And Cooper commented. I was like, sweetheart. We don't comment on people's appearances. We see and we don't judge.

Okay? We don't comment on people's appearances. Oh, it is hard though, isn't it? He didn't say anything nasty. He just said, that's a big man. And I was like, well, he is a big man. Yes. But, you know, is what it is.

We don't need to say out loud. This one is for us, George. Yeah. My daughter told her teacher, I don't really work. I'm just on my phone. Do you think she's got a parent that's an influencer? 100%. That's us.

My mom doesn't really work. She's just sent her phone. God. And then they're just. I reckon the kids probably friend and she does do a podcast. Oh yeah. Do you know what?

If that had said son, you sure it's not Aurelia? Yeah, literally. Was this Ray? Is it Ray Don? I was firmly told I can't come to their birthday party because it's kids only.

I've been planning it for what feels like a year since the last one. Oh, Raylia like literally after the one birthday I think we're two years what I know what's happening

in the next two years of her birthday parties. Oh stop it, do you? No, that's her. She talks about the birthday parties. Fine, fine. Well, the only suggestion I give to this mum is you go, right, well, who's paying for the party then? Me.

Me? So I'm coming. I'm coming. Yeah, good one, child, good one. Yeah. Amy, my five-year-old, confidently told everyone at school that I'm 52. I'm 25. Well, I hope to God that everyone was like, I don't think you're right. I don't think your mom's 50.

Although they might be going, oh, holy shit, she looks good for her, right? Yeah. If someone came up to her and went, God, I didn't realize you were 52. I saw someone I follow on social media, actually. Have you seen it where people do that thing where they switch it around to make them look?

Who did you see? No, no, she switched it around to look old. It was... Laddab. Yeah, lad baby. They were in Tenereef's same time as me. Were they? In the same hotel.

But it was really nice because she switched it over to the actual older age. And then she was like, I'm really, really proud of myself at this age. Like, I feel like I'm doing so well. I was like, that's a nice trend. Yeah, we saw that this morning too. Did you?

I saw that. Yeah. I was like, oh, I like that. Yes, well done. Well done you for doing that. Jacob, my eldest son told his teacher, mum says you give too much homework. Oh, God knows what Arraniah goes in to tell them teachers what I said her home.

I'm like, just don't say that. Oh, I've got a feeling Cooper's probably gone in and said exactly the same thing. Yeah, but also. It is too much homework. We don't need homework. We like the schools that don't do homework. Yeah. Cooper went to me the other day. He was like, Mommy, sometimes I have to really, I have to get it out in class and rush and do it because I haven't done it. I'm like, oh God, sorry, darling.

Is it like an actual panic thing? Yeah, but he might feel panic. But if he actually turned around him, I'm like, my mom doesn't agree with him. What are they actually doing? I do need to, I do need to sit and do it with him, though, because I don't want him to feel panicked in class that he's got to suddenly rush and do it. Sorry, I'm doing to be a better parent, then, actually. But yeah, I am in agreement with Jacob's mum. Yeah.

Too much homework. I just don't think they should have any homework. I don't. They go to school all day. Why should they come home and do more? They don't need it. I don't think they need it. I don't think we need it.

People might disagree with us. That's probably going to be headline. Let them. Kelsey and Georgia don't agree with the curriculum. Yeah, I don't. We don't. Well, Kells. That's a wrap on another episode. Woo!

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