Mum's The Word! The Parenting Podcast - 'Why Did They Treat Us Like That?' | Kelsey Parker opens up to Georgia Jones One Year On From Phoenix's Passing

Episode Date: July 19, 2026

One year on from losing Phoenix, Kelsey opens up about the paramedics, the video no one could watch, and being told she could only hold her son "through a mattress." She's still fighting for answers, and still, she says, living with PTSD.Georgia, meanwhile, is deep in default-parent mode: a one-night washing protest, Cooper's strict holiday budget, and a lawn-seeding standoff keeping the paddling pool firmly in the shed.This episode covers the big stuff:Kelsey's PTSD one year on, and the fight for accountability that's still ongoingThe Robinson's Room she had to plead to get intoWhy women can be prosecuted for a "medical experience" and men can'tGeorgia's realisation that mums are always the default parentPlus: a fake puncture, Will's tan lines, "toxic energy" accusations, and a newly vegan kid who's ruined packed lunch forever.Top five 90s/2000s throwbacks also make the cut: Woolworths pick and mix included.Grab a cuppa. This one's a good one.A Create Podcast Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, hello, we're back people. Welcome to a brand new episode of Mums the Word. I'm Georgia Jones. And I'm Kelsey Parker. And today Kelsey opens up about the loss of Phoenix 12 months on. And Georgia tells us why she's noticed moms always become the default parent when out with her friends or with friends. With friends.

She's got mates, I can't believe it. I've got friends. So grab a cup of. Get comfy. And let's jump in to a brand new episode of Mums. Hello. Hello. It's so formal.

How have you got phones? I'm going to say I'm on the spectrum. Gals, right. So, I feel like we speak about Phoenix a lot, which is actually quite nice because I feel like it's living on through our podcast. Oh, 100%. Yes.

But it's been a year now since the loss. I can't believe it's been a year. Do you know, I can't, because it feels like I was yesterday that you were telling me you were pregnant with Phoenix. I know. And literally, his anniversary, was, we had just literally everything going on.

So it was summer solstice, obviously, I love summer solstice. It's the longest day. But now it reminds me of the longest day that I actually went through with Phoenix. And it was also Father's Day. So we had everything go on. So hang on, did you lose Phoenix on Father's Day? No.

No. Father's Day landed on that day this year. Oh, this year. Yeah. That's interesting. I know. Isn't it? I was just like, oh, let's just put it all together.

And did you do anything on the day? Well, Phoenix and Tom have got the same bench. Right. So we went to the bench. Yeah. And then we sort of tried to celebrate Father's Day as well. Yeah, of course, because like, you know, Will is here. Will is here.

I cannot forget about Will. No. And I think for Will it's hard because obviously Father's Day again, he lost his dad. So it was just, yeah, a bit of a... Do you know, I did struggle to, like, smile a bit on... On that day? I just was, like, just a bit over it. Yeah.

Did you feel a bit heavy that day? Yeah. Yeah, I totally get that. I tried to make it nice for the kids and obviously they would never know. No, no. But yeah, I just can't believe it's been a year. And I think now I've only just obviously started opening up about what I actually went through. Because we talked a bit about it.

Well, we talked a lot about it when it all first happened, didn't we? But I didn't feel like I could tell people what actually happened to us. And I think the response, which I knew what the response would be, and that's why I didn't speak about it. And I think it's taking me a whole year and I probably still do have people. from the whole situation. Do you think you do? Without doubt.

Because I think my mind still, my questions that I ask myself, George, is why? Why did they treat us like that? Why? I did a podcast the other day with a charity called the Lee Mae Foundation who we actually raised the money this year from the football match for. And speaking to them, dads, they were like, yeah, we went to, you know, I spoke about the Robinson room that I should have been in and I had to plead to get to put in this room. What is that?

So that's when you have a steel ball in hospital. Yeah. So there was a Robinson's room. So when Kelsey said to them, okay, if Kelsey had managed to have Phoenix in hospital and he was still born, where would she be? And they were like, oh, the Robinson's room. And she was like, well, why the hell is she not in there? They stayed in that Robinson's room for a week with a cold cot, which gets bought to you. Right.

So meaning you can spend time with your baby. You can have the photographers in. You can do this. I feel like I've got, I had so much taken from. me and stolen from me and will. For anyone that hasn't seen your interviews that you've done recently and doesn't know what actually happened. Yeah.

So Phoenix was born at home. Yeah. He was still born. It was quite evident that Phoenix was not alive. Yeah. And that's what I said. How did my four-year-old child know that his brother was dead? But a paramedic couldn't see that.

But I think there's so many protocols now. I was going to say, did there's so many box ticking? Yeah. Like legally did they have to try and wrestle? to participate Phoenix. Well, my bereavement nurse said what should have happened was Phoenix's blood was read on site. His blood

would have read no sign of life. Right. Without doubt. Right. They then leave Phoenix with us. They bring the cold cot to our house because we had a home birth and then we ring when we want Phoenix to be taken. Have you like been able to do

any, you know how like when you have a traumatic birth, you get to go through your birth notes and speak to someone. George. Not even. Not what? No, my notes from the hospitals say that I had a lovely time.

Oh, really? So my bereavement nurse is absolute fuming. This is an ongoing process. I've still got to meet with the police. I'm meeting with them in a few weeks, actually. The consultant I want to meet with, because I wasn't ready. I was so angry that I was like, do you know what? If I get myself into these rooms, like the paramedics I met with quite soon after,

that and that was a three hour conversation. You know, the end of that conversation was basically the over of the three hours was they hadn't seen a dead baby before. What? That's what the lead lady from the London Abilence said. But they were really sorry, but their paramedics hadn't been trained in seeing a dead baby. So an error happens because they're not used to seeing a dead baby. Yes.

But they must see dead people. Yeah. Like how did my four-year-old? No, that Phoenix was dead But a Whatever, I don't even want to say that age and gender And whatever else, they couldn't see that There wasn't just one ambulance crew that came out to me

I had like three ambulance, three ambulance crews And that's of like two, three people in a crew Right So not one person went, hang on a sec It was common sense for me that got lost on that night So obviously you've talked about this publicly about how like the police then got called and you weren't allowed to go in the ambulance with Phoenix

and you had to go and... Well, they just took Phoenix off. They didn't even tell me. They just took it. So there was no vocalising what was even happening. So at no point did anybody go, this is protocol. We just have to do this if there's a debt,

you know, someone's dead in a house. The one thing, the one statement that was made was everyone deserves a right to life. Well, Phoenix deserved a right to life. Phoenix wasn't alive. Exactly. And I said that was, I was like, yeah, if they're not born dead. Right.

And did you say that? And also now I'm like looking into it and researching more. There would have been telltale signs. So say if it was with a midwife in the hospital. And also it's like they're putting the blame on me. You know, there wasn't a handover. They had no one there. So I think they came in and they were like literally.

Panicked and yeah. Yeah, lost their heads. But you have to stay calm in that situation. And I needed them to be calm. Yeah. But there would have been telltow signs with Phoenix to know that he had already died. I think as well, Kels, like even if, right, it is like legally post-call, like box-ticking, like you said, they have to call the police if, you know, someone is dead in a house. However, there has to be something put in place when it's a stillborn baby and the mom has just.

just given birth, even if it means the policeman comes in the ambulance with you. Well, I had that anyway. I was escorted with the police the whole night. Well, yeah, but you weren't allowed in the ambulance with... No. With Phoenix, were you? And he got taken away from you. Like, it should be that, like, even if there's this protocol that they have to do a certain thing,

you should still be able to be with your baby. Yeah. It shouldn't be that you're taken away from your baby. I think this has happened to the extreme to me because I think even a criminal, that had done something to their child they would not have been treated how I was treated. I don't know why I was.

I don't know why it's been so extreme for me because even when I'm speaking to Anne Marie, she was like... Who's your... Herbrewment nurse. Anne Marie would say, you know, even if we do think something has happened at home, that mum and dad still get to hold their baby,

they still get that time. She was literally, when she rang me, So I, and again, this is what makes me die with the whole, you know, the world we live in, they don't work weekends. Like, so on Monday I get the call from a bereavement nurse. So I've gone Saturday night, Sunday with no, no bereavement nurse, no one reaching out to me, with Monday morning Amarie calling me and her going, oh my God. Was Anne Marie really shocked with how the situation unfolded? She was so shocked because she wrote the protocol. Right.

So whatever protocol she was. have been followed. Yeah. It should have been Amarise and she wrote the protocol, so. Right. And it wasn't followed. It wasn't followed. And you said, I saw, you're talking about how the fact that you had like a video of the,

of the birth. So you had the proof there that, you know. Well, I had evidence. Yeah. That Phoenix had to come out was clearly not alive. But they didn't watch it, George. They didn't watch it. Did you?

So has, has anyone ever watched it yet? Yeah. They watched that at 1 o'clock in the morning. I mean, even with me, it's like, the time scale of everything. literally got, I, it's like, what's it called when it's like, the notes are jotted in my head. Like, I know the time scale of absolutely everything that happened. And when they came, when they came in, so when I got to the hospital, I said, watch the video. The video will show you everything you need to know. Let me go and be with my son.

Let me go and hold my son. Let me be. So you said you did that. And then we, I went from, you know, 8 o'clock at night to 1 o'clock in the morning pleading. Please someone watch the video. Watch the video. Watch the video. No one did.

No one put their head above the water. No one just went that extra mile for me and done anything. No. And then eventually when the midwife, the police had obviously said to her midwife, you can go and watch the video. She watched the video. She came into the room.

So no one gave me a moment there and said, you know, let's take the phone out of the room. Let's Kelsey have that. I've just lived the experience. And now you want me to relive it. You know, I've never watched that video back. No. No, of course not.

She played the video with me in the room. I took myself into the bathroom and covered my ears so I couldn't hear what was actually going on. Like, for me, there was no, we all talk about mental health and how we protect, you know, mental health, mental health. But it was the same in COVID and what I experienced with Tom. They don't give a fuck about mental health. No, no.

Because they actually put me in the room with a midwife watching a video. Listening the video where you clearly... I just lived it. I lived the experience. That just happened to you. And literally when the midwife watched it, she burst out crying. And she was like, yeah, you're right.

It's like, yeah, so you've punished me for all this time. And then they punished me a little bit more because obviously that's when I then said, can I go down and hold him? Can me and we'll hold him? And they said, no, you can hold him through a mattress. That just baffles me because even, right? Because what's happening here,

what's happened here is your guilt you're to prove otherwise. And it shouldn't be that way. Like, yeah. Because that is so horrendous, or a mother that unfortunately has just had a stillborn baby. Like it is so horrendous or a baby that's then died. And I can't even imagine how it must have felt to be so desperate to hold your baby

and not being allowed to, even after showing evidence of you giving birth. But I think George, they'd cause so much damage to Phoenix. From... Everything they did to him. They're trying to resist him. Obviously, when I went down, Phoenix didn't look like the same. same baby that didn't really and when I went down to see him obviously that was just not an experience

like it was so like I don't feel like people were on the same page they didn't know what I'd just gone through everyone's stood in a room it was just so it was like being in a room like this like obviously the light in the whatever else it was like nothing clinical that's clinical nothing that's me that's spiritual that's one like I was I was at home with him like I could process the fact that He had died and that we could have been together. But also for me physically, everything they stripped from me by taking him, not let me hold him. And having that skin to skin was just, it caused me so much damage as well. Like after effects on me.

Of course. Are you doing like any therapy or anything like that? Oh, I had loads of therapy after I had Phoenix. Straight away, like literally within, well, within the 24 hours I started. Yeah, because it's a lot to process. Even with the fact of seeing him over to the other side, like me and Will did that together with my friend Evie a day later because she was like, this can't be the goodbye for Phoenix.

Like you need to do this together and say goodbye to him. Because they obviously where I do have this belief in spirituality, Phoenix's soul and who he was and how much I loved him, like they stripped all of that away. I never got to say goodbye how I wanted to. No. I just don't understand why they couldn't have just like let you be with him. I don't know. And then like, they're something saying, I'm going on podcast speaking to people and they're going, oh yeah, we've got a week with the baby in a cold cut. And I'm like, why didn't that happen for me? I know, because even after, even like, once you've then like, you know, show on the video and they've gone, yeah, right, yeah, right, we're wrong.

Then. Well, one detective spoke to me about basically preserving Phoenix's body for day. later. You can imagine how that went down. Did they do a post-martin on Phoenix then? No. Because the Cudio wasn't enough. Yeah, of course. And again, we spoke about this in the podcast before.

The Y, we all need the Y, but for me, it just, Phoenix wasn't meant to be this time. So why do I need a Y? You know, for people listening to this, there'll be like, Kelsey's quite harsh, but obviously there was something wrong with Phoenix. because otherwise he would be alive. So what do I need to know that what was wrong with Phoenix?

Do you know what I mean? Because people go, oh, well, you know, was there something wrong? Well, obviously there was something wrong because Phoenix didn't survive. So, yeah, there was obviously something wrong. Yeah. Do I know as to what? No. Do we just die?

Yes. So, you know, I'm still down this massive rabbit hole of it all. But ultimately what I did say to them on the night is you picked on the wrong person. Yeah. You messed with that. Oh, girl. Yeah. So in terms of where you're at with it now, is there an investigation going on then?

Are you looking into all of it and trying to... Well, there's not so much more an investigation. There's my investigation that I'm doing. Yeah, not that you're being investigated, that you're investigating in that the situation. They're just going to give me lip service, aren't they? Because they know how much they've fucked up. So there's only going to be. And how many times can people say sorry to you?

When you have done your interviews and been on the TV, has anyone reached out to you and said we had the exact same thing? So many. Really? So many people. So it's not uncommon for a situation like this to happen. Yeah, no. And also just people that have not been listened to, not heard.

And I think the more you look down into maternity care, like what I'm saying, I have a connection to this baby. Mums know. I've spoken to a mum that went, I knew something was wrong and that they got told if they heard, if they got a pound for every time

someone said there was something wrong with the baby, they would basically be millionaires and then the baby was born and the baby died. The mum knew. I think mother's intuition is such a strong thing. And I do think on a spiritual level, we become more connected to everything when we're having a baby.

I don't know why. I don't know what happens, you do. So yeah, I just think it's quite scary. And when you do go down the rabbit hole, women are the only people who can get prosecuted for a medical experience. So what? Like for Phoenix? So I, you know, if I didn't have that video, George, and they thought I'd done something to Phoenix, I could go to prison for that. But a man couldn't give birth and go to prison. Do you know what I mean? Wow, right. Yeah. So women could get prosecuted for a medical experience. men can't. There's nothing a man can go through.

Oh, what a surprise. Yeah. Who a surprise. Right. Wow. So now I feel like I've been put on this path and this journey to help women, to advocate for women and to be a voice for them women that have been so unheard. Yeah. Because I do have the platform and like I said to them on the night, you unfortunately picked on the wrong person. I've got a massive platform where I'm going to speak about this

and I'm going to tell everyone how badly you've treated me. Yeah. But yeah. It's just. Well, Kels, I'm so sorry you had to go through. who's such a horrendous ordeal already. And then that just my lived experience of life, George. Why does it have to be so extreme?

Because you're a strong-up bird, you are at you? That's why. I'm like, it's just so extreme. You've been tested for reasons. We don't know them yet. When obviously I had Phoenix, I was going, is this a film? Am I in a film?

This actually can't be my life? No, I know. This can't be my life. I can't be living another harrowing experience. To be honest. If you made a film about your life, I mean, we probably could. Right, no one else do it because it's mine, all right?

Well, I mean, it's about you, so I appreciate you've got to have to have the final say it. Should we write a book? Oh, my God, totally write a book on it, though. 100%. Actually, you did write a book. We need to do part two now. Yeah, come on.

Any book deals out there? New edition. You know when they're like remaster a book, don't they? And they're like, we've added a bit extra to it. You definitely have extra to add now. Yeah, well, it's going to be like a door stop. Good Lord. Well, Kowse, we love you. And well done for having your voice and speaking out about it and helping other women.

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we're talking about being the default parent. Kelsey actually just says to me, what's a default parent? No, but I was like, I thought, yeah, this was what you were talking about. Like the bat stops with you. The bat stops with mum. Always. It just came to me attention because of, like,

and this isn't any shade on husbands because I think we fall into this naturally. But being a default parent is basically like it falls on you. So, you know, for instance. Sorting out what Cooper's doing. Yeah, or like, for instance, I'm out and Danny's out. But it falls on me. Yeah. to organise babysitter.

Not as bad anymore. It used to be worse. And I said to Danny, you know, like, we're both out. So it's not always up to me to find childcare. And he's got a lot better now. But it is.

It's always like, have you, like, we're going away on a holiday. So who's Pat Cooper's suitcase then? You? Me. And it's, but honestly, I would say 99% of my friends, it's exactly the same.

All my friends. Like, I just saw, a mum, like an influencer, posting like a video, a real video. And it was basically that. It was like getting ready to go out for the day. And it shows you her doing like the pat lunches, getting the kids dress, like sun cream, thinking of like all the things they need. towels are off to the beach.

It shows the dad mowing the lawn. Yeah. Or sound his phone. Literally mowing the lawn. I am very good at delegate, though. So I'd be like, right, this is what we need done. So can you help me, Will? Yeah.

She said yesterday, Danny and Cooper, like, winding me up about washing or something. I was like, right, I quit. I'm not doing it anymore. And I was actually folding the washing at that point. I just left everything exactly as it was. I was like, I'm not doing that now. I am leaving that because you're being mean to me, you too. I was obviously having a joke.

And then I did fold it up this morning. But, you know, I didn't last, I left it last night. I did a protest. And I do go on washing back. But it's even thinking about dinners and stuff, like, I was like, I'd love to just get out for work and leave and not have to think about anything. Yeah. Is there enough bananas for Cooper for the week for him to have a banana in his bag?

To be fair, Danny wouldn't actually care though, would he? Like that... I'll get him an apple. Yeah, yeah, let me find him something else in the fridge. Like, no, he only likes bananas. His cheese will do. It's just, I've given, you know, where I'm having a baby, Will's responsibility is the dog.

Right. So yesterday morning, like he's, walk the dog. Just walk the dog. Woke up yesterday morning. Didn't walk the dog. I hadn't walked the dog. I was like, you've now ruined my whole entire day. Because she, no, but she needs the wall.

Well, yeah, of course she does. So then you've now put, you've now given me a problem. Yeah. By you not being organised and just walking the dog, your one job. And I bet you told him, didn't you? I will do everything else. Yeah. I actually just sent him multiple voice notes.

As I was like, having a puppy walking upstairs. Like, oh, now I'm just going to obsess to do something. And the dogs doing this and the dogs just poured one of the kids and da da da da da and that. And I feel so sorry for them because now she's got just got laying her bed all day.

How did Will respond to all these? Will doesn't respond to anything. Oh wow. He just ignored. What he does is he just goes quiet and then he'll message me about something completely different than I'm like, I'm over it now.

He basically leaves you to calm down. Yeah. He doesn't add fuel to the fire which is quite good because if that was Tom he would have like right and then you're being whew- Fuck.

Are you talking to? Sounds like that. And also Tom would come up with like, oh, right, well, then I'll just pay for a dog sitting to come in today. Well, maybe we need some more help in the house. No, you need to help. Just do the job that I've asked you to do. It's literally look after the dog. It's like, you know when you're going on holiday?

I don't know whether you're the same, but it's like, right, we need to empty all the bins. The fridge needs empty it because otherwise everything's going to be in there rotting. We need to make sure we put that dishwasher on. It's just waste of breath, Jules. It is. But it's just, I wonder whether it'll ever change. We don't think the same as them. No, we don't.

We're from a different. We're from Venus. A hundred percent. We are all meant to be together, us women, and we're just meant to have their sperm for children. As a spiritual woman. You know how, you know that saying? Women are from Venus, men are from Mars.

Yeah. Do you actually think we've come from different planets? Yeah. Well, George, I'm not starting that. I'm not starting that. I'm not starting that. I'm really like your opinion on that. Do you think what?

No, I think a lot. of us have come from different places and we're being sent from... But it's not Venus and... Not Venus and Mars. No. Some people are star seeds. Come on that sounds. I'm not even going to ask. I'm not going to ask, guys.

I'm not going to ask. I just wonder whether there's going to come a time like when our kids are older. Because I, like, I learnt this from you and I thank you very much for this of teaching the boys young to do their part. So like now I get Cooper to put his socks off, that he takes off at the door and leaving a little ball in the wash basket

rather than leaving there. I get him to bring his plates over. And I've noticed a lot of my friends do that. They get their kids to bring their plates to the sink to be washed, not just leave them on the table. We can't have women go through what we've gone through. We can't. We need to be the change, cows.

We need to be the change. And I must say to my friends, like, every week, like, don't let me be that mum. Don't let me be that mum. It's so easy to fall into it, though. It's so easy because it's almost. And I'm sure so many moms at home will agree. It's so easy to just do it yourself

because you just get it done and it's done quicker. No, but I don't mean that. I mean just being that mum about their boys. We can't be the mom about the boys. What, as in like, what, as in like, do everything for them? Yeah. Yeah, no, we can. And then they just, then we give them to a woman and then...

They expect that same treatment from the woman. I know. And I was that person. I was that wife. My mom, my mom was the ultimate most wonderful... still is, most wonderful housewife. And I learned from the best. But actually, do I want to be a housewife?

No. No. And no shade on people that do because, like, I mean... I think being a housewife and being a mum is the hardest job. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, it is. And it's unseen. It's unseen and unappreciated.

It's unseen labour. Yeah. That's what it is. It's like, oh, what did you do today? Like, say if I'm not actually doing work, then I'm doing housewife duties. Yeah. It's like,

what haven't I done today? I've like, Hoovered, I've sorted the fridge out. I've made dinner. Sounds like an hour. I've done lunches for the week. Yeah.

I've done this. I've made sure the fridge is full. And so, Danny said that same thing to me the day. I was like, well, I had to go to the supermarket. Just that in itself, like, is two hours,

going to the supermarket, doing the shop, coming back, putting it all away. That's at least two hours out of your day. And when you put, when you say it all out loud, it sounds like you've done absolutely nothing.

But it's like, A full day event. I've done those returns. I've taken that stuff to the post office to drop off. Oh, don't worry. When Will's really getting it this week, he's like, oh, what have I done? You know, that hot weather we've had? Yeah.

Oh, don't worry. We've got a pool, a swimming pool that we bought, best £300 I've ever spent by the way. He just was lying around. I've got so much footage of him that I kept sending to his mum. Just in the pool? I sent him to his mum too. I'm like... Dobbing him in?

Yeah. Having a little sleep on the sofa. Stop. I was filming going, oh, what a joy to be pregnant. Oh, wow. Hey, he's not pregnant. Laying on the lilo in the pool. Stop it.

I mean, you've never seen someone so brown in your life. How big is this 300 pound pool? No, it's really, George is so good. You love sending you the link. It's so good. It's the best bit of money we spent this summer. But he's had a lovely time. They don't think, the Hoover needs to be done.

This needs to be done. No, no. They're like, I'm hot. I'm going to go sit in a pool. I want to get brown. I'd like to get brown and go and go and laying a pool. in a pool but no Daddy said that's me from

let's go down the gym and hang her about round the pool for the day I'm like because I have stuff to do what nothing would get done what do you? How do you expect all these

clean clothes and lovely and dry and freshly in the sunshine outdoor? As soon as that hot weather came I was like wash a woman I was like get that washing done

get it out I did about three rounds each day I mean could you believe we have three rounds each day but yes we do Yeah, just three of you as well.

I know. I know. I know. So, right, we're going to, we're going to go to Danny and Will now, in a really bad mood, just hating them today. They're like, what on earth has got into you to? Oh, nothing. We were just talking about default parenting. I do think when you're pregnant, your hormones are all over the place.

Like, sometimes I just look at him, I think, I actually hate you. Why have you done this to me? Well, I'm due on, so great. Our hormones are raging today. Yeah. You just can't help but look at them with a little bit of hate in your eyes to be like... And I'll be like... Deli Bell again.

Kelsey and Georgia hate their partners. They hate their husband's and boyfriend. No, and I'll just be like say stuff to the kids and they're like, they'll laugh at me. Oh, what did Will not want to do that? I'll do it then. No, Will was amazing. I love you, Will. Yeah, Danny, I love you too.

When I'm pregnant, yeah. Don't lounge around in the pool, Will. Don't, yeah, late. Right, mum's a word, top five. Which is never top five. We just talk about what we want. So, we recently had pre-mom life and things our friends without kids don't understand.

This week we're chatting about the top five things from the 9th and 2000. You wish your kids could experience. This is brilliant. This is a great one. Going to Walworths with a pound and coming out of a full bag of pick a mix. And do you know what I used to love? What?

Singles. No, you know, like, let's do the little cans of drink. Like, I wasn't obviously really allowed to have fizzy drinks, but they'd do like the little coax for like 15p. Did they? Yeah. Well, I didn't drink pop when I was, well, I still don't drink pop. So I don't like fizzy drinks, apart from a Prosecco or a bit.

Or any cocktail? Any cocktail that's fizzy, no problem. She just won't have coffee. Give me a cook. No, thank you. Oh, yeah. But, yeah, pick a mix. Bag of pick a mix for a pound.

It's about a pound for one bit of pick a mix nowadays. Don't get, right. I feel like this is going to be a proper. a runty episode. Maybe you should call this the ranty episode. Well, it's just the full bags of stuff now. And I loved Pickermix. And even that used to be my thing with my nan,

because she used to have to look after me a lot in the summer because she worked at a school. And we would walk to our little local shop and, you know, when they had the Pickermix. And she'd go and then she'd be like, right, you've got 20 P to spend on Picamix. Oh my God, and how exciting was it? Like choosing.

It was budgeting at its finest, wasn't it? It was like, my God, I guess. Me and Mom were talking about this morning, I mean, I don't know how anyone's budgeting anything at the moment. I know. I'm going to give, when we go on holiday this year, I'm going to give Cooper like 20 euro for the trip. Maybe a bit more.

We're going away for three weeks. I might give him 40 years. Oh, only a three week holiday. Well, do you know what? You only live once, Kells. Mate, I'm all about a three week holiday. Yeah, and we were like, do know what, soddy? We're probably going to spend as much during a three week holiday

as we would if we stayed in the UK. We talked about this before, aren't we? But so we were like, no, we're going to just really enjoy ourselves and, like, get brown. Get brown, that's it. Get a time. But yeah, and I'm going to let him budge it. I'm going to be like, right, that is yours for this trip. If you want ice cream, you can buy ice creams,

or if you want to go to a shop and get yourself a bracelet. Yep. Or holiday necklace. The thing is, though, is Cooper good at budgeting because I... Who knows? We'll see. We'll see, girls. I thought Aralia would just con someone else out of money. She'd make friends, and then by the end of the holiday,

then we'd be buying her laboos. We've been there, we've done that. Everyone just buys Aralia stuff. And Bodie, because he's just so goddamn cute. but she has got the hustle. She's got the knack. What about buying like singles? I feel like they only used to be about one night to nine

and you'd go and the singles all be lined up on the shelves in Woolworth and you buy a single. Yeah, and do you know what I used to love? The lyrics inside. Oh my God, me too. So get it home, get the lyrics out. Oh, me too. Or of an album.

They've just never experienced it. And then... I thought when you're saying singles, you know, ice cream now, I just can't bring myself to pay £4.50 for a $99. Because they're meant to be 99. I can't. No. Why don't I feel like the ice cream is full of chemicals now?

And it just does not taste the same. It's not proper ice cream anymore, is it? It's not. It tastes like frozen squirty cream. Yeah. And I'm like, to kids, I'm not paying £4.50. Sorry, I'm not re-mortgage my house to get you an ice cream after school. Do you remember screwballs that were like an ice cream in like that little thing?

chewing gum at the bottom. It's like a Popeye where they put an ice lolly in the ice cream. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't know that's what they were called, though. And do you remember recording the top 40 on a tape, on a cassette tape, and you'd have to try and pause it when the adverts came on? Yeah, to then have... To cut the adverts out.

And mine would be actually, because obviously I was like, loved films, it would be my nan had a tape of the Goonies. Oh my God, yeah. But she taped it from the TV. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it'd be the advert. So I'd have to, like, fast, fast, the adverts to watch the whole film

and then like rewind all the way back so weird that was like dirty dancing oh and do you remember like we used to have like little video cameras and you used to make like home videos and like film yourselves dancing I suppose that they kind of do that now with iPhones but it's TikTok

yeah it's TikTok I thought like I would smash TikTok back in the day like me and my best friend Jemma we did it every Saturday after dancing we would go back with these we get them out and we just laugh our heads because they're so funny the videos of us, dancing. Have you still got them?

Yeah, we've got music videos to Usher. We've got, yeah, we did it all. We used to literally always film content. I keep saying. I was born to be a content creator. You really were. Oh my God, was your job from being five? I feel like did we get them out at one of our hendos?

We got these videos up and I was like, oh my God. I need to, and you need to do this as well, if you've got them, get them put on something that's not a VHS because I feel like they've got a shelf life. Yeah. I'm sure that... But then what do you put them on now? Like...

Don't even put them on DVD. We're going to say DVD. Oh, DVD. And we need to burn them onto a DVD. Yeah, that's it. We need to burn them. No, they need to just get on your iPhone. Oh, dear.

Or disposable cameras. I've actually got disposable cameras to take on my holiday that I'm going on. Yeah, that's the best. Because I think we lived life because even we used to take a camera. Like, say we went on our first girl, holiday to Zanti, the pictures

are just unbelievable. We looked so bad, we did not care. Like, we used to have like the fringes down. And that was the thing, you'd only take one photo of one moment. Because, whereas now, we take seven million of just this one same shot to get the best fit picture. But we didn't care. We didn't care.

And also, do you remember, like, the excitement of waiting for it to be developed? Yeah. And then you get the call, be like, your pictures are ready. Come on, you can come clever. You'd be like, oh my God. Oh, my. God. And then you make a book? Yeah, yeah, then you make a book. Oh, yeah, I'm definitely going to get Cooper a disposable camera for this holiday. Yeah. And, um, yeah. He's got a lot. He's having him this three

week holiday. He's got a disposable camera. He's on a budget. God, I'm smiling my child. No, you're taking him back to basics. Lastly, but not leastly. And we tell you, don't judge. God, you start this week. So I told the kids the paddling pool had a puncture. It hasn't. I just can't face filling it up again. Well, talking about the paddling pool. We've got a pool. We have got a pool. And it's been amazing.

But, yeah, no, I've not lied about that because it's been so hot that we actually wanted to use it. I just think it's more probably the neighbours have been looking, judging us, being like, oh, take that long to filter it. But hasn't been a horse pipe ban yet, has there? No, I don't think so. I actually haven't got our paddling pool out yet. Have you not?

No. What, not even that hot weather? No. Do you know why? This sounds really, really... Wanky, actually. I seeded my lawn and I didn't want to put anything on top of it

to stop the seeds growing. And we have got a whole... Passio. No, we've got like a dead bit of grass because we've actually moved the paddling pool as well since it's been up. Yeah, I'm like, maybe... Can you put a paddling pool on a stone surface

or does it need to be on grass really, doesn't it? Yeah, because it'll be quite hard underneath. Yeah, okay. I'll get it out. I like the ultimate house of fun though because I have had the paddling pool. I've got this big balance of castle, I've got the trampoline. I love having all the kids around and everyone's planning my back garden. I do.

I do love that. But I've just really been trying my hard to get this lawn back to something. And it's not working. I think maybe I'll just give up this year and ruin it and get the slip and slide back out. My son got in the car and said it was boiling. I know, mate. I've been sat in for 20 minutes waiting for you. Hang on.

This person not got air-colling that cat. They really can't have it outside of school because they're like, oh, the fuse. Oh, idling cars or whatever it's called, yeah. Well, yeah, well, I'm glad you told him and said, yeah, well, you need to feel your mummy's pain. Yeah. Well, so just that all. Bedtimes have been a disaster because it's still light out and they're using that against me like they're a lawyer. I just think bedtime's just gone out of the window since it's been light and the heat.

Because actually, I've had to move Arrayalia down into Bode's room because, She's in the loft and it's so hot. So they're actually in a bed together at the moment. So bedtime's been even worse because they just keep talking. And then, you know, it is funny when you listen to you're like, this is literally what me and my brother was like for you and your sister. He's got his leg on me. He's got his leg.

The leg's touching me. Right, Bodey, can you not put your leg? Bodhi's putting a toy between us. It's like literally just ongoing. Orania keeps talking to me. I'm like, oh, why have I put them in bed together? But she might melt up in the loft. Yeah, we don't want to do it.

Melon in a love. My son told me I was giving toxic energy that's so funny. I wonder what she was saying. It's a little bit like Cooper in his intrusive thoughts, isn't it? I mean, that's brilliant. I love it when kids repeat old older phrases. Where did you get that from?

They're like, you? You, actually. That was me. Oh, Will's giving me toxic energy. He's not walk the dog. Really, next week. Yeah. He was such toxic energy. since you've been pregnant. My son said he needs a mental health day off school. He'd been back one day.

Oh, we feel you, me. We feel you. I mean, I don't think that's a, that it's quite good that a kid could say that. The only problem is a lot of children will just use that as like, just to be off school. Yeah, and also now, does the school actually let you have them days off? Is that allowed? Did this not make you laugh with the schools, though? I didn't have it with my school.

But the schools that were messaging last week to say that you could pick your children up at 12 o'clock. However, if you wanted to go and get Cooper at 12 o'clock, you would have a mark by his name. No. Well, no, this what I'm saying. Like, say like today. Oh, sorry, I see what you mean. It's not hot today. Yeah.

But you wanted to get Cooper at 12 o'clock. Yeah. Then that would be marked as unauthorized. Like, just actually like really, really greats me. Did you see, I saw her on social media recently, it was a couple, and they'd taken their little boy out of school for three days, just for a holiday. So, and that was it. And he had a 98% attendance rate.

So his attendance rate was incredible. It showed you a woman from the school going round to the house. Oh, stop it. They'd already been fine, so they'd already had this fine. And they were suspending this little boy from school. Oh, stop it. That makes sense. No.

So they're annoyed that he was off school, yet what they're doing is not letting him go to school. No, I think I saw that. And those poor parents were like, but his attendance is incredible. It was three days. We've paid the fine. Yeah.

I had someone that I know that the school rang and said, like, do they want to come in for a meeting to help talk about the attendance? And I mean, again, the attendance was in 90%. I mean, it's obscene, isn't it? Like, it's just ridiculous. It's just the control. I can't cope with. No.

And also, like, a three-day holiday, even if they've got over and they've managed to make it, like a 10-day holiday over half term, it's like what that child is going to get from being on holiday and experiences. Yeah. And that's the thing like... And then they're wondering why everyone's homeschooling.

And they're so hot on like, oh, you know, like you need to spend time with your children and, you know, nurture them and mental health. It goes back to the mental health thing when I was in with Phoenix. We worry about mental health, but they don't actually give a shit about mental health. Yeah.

It's just all, it's box ticking. The school's box ticking. They don't care about you're just a number. Yeah. You are your number and that is it. And they need the tick to say that their attendance is good for them to get an offset report of outstanding. It's just used your common sense.

Is that kid off all the time? No. Is that they just having a few extra days off so it makes that holiday a little bit cheaper and they get to spend a bit more time with their parents. Yes. Georgia, common sense has gone out the window. Common sense does not exist anymore.

The world's gone mad. On the night of Phoenix, no common sense with change. If someone sat back and went, hang on a sec, common sense here. Yeah. What do we think? Yeah. Yeah.

I know. I know. Wow, it's been a three-sixth day of there. Oh, we're angry girls today. Angry girls. Last one. My kid wants to be a vegan now because of David Asimbra documentary and I have no idea how to make a lunch show anymore.

Cheese sandwich, mate. Oh no, we're vegan. No, not cheese sandwich. Oh, God. Just bread. Carrot sticks. Cucumber. Can you have bread?

I don't know. No. I don't know. Don't know. Don't ever let it watch David Lattern. We're not judging, but I really can't help you. No. No.

Philly Pinn. Oh, good old Dave, Dad, Brack. Well, cows, that's been a wrap on another very angry episode. A very angry, angry. Don't forget to leave us a review, follow us on socials at at Mums the Word underscore pod and subscribe to our YouTube channel where you can watch this episode in full. Just search Mums the Word. So I've been Georgia Jones and I've been Kelsey Parker.

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