Murdaugh Murders Podcast - Alex Murdaugh To Be Charged With Killing Wife Maggie And Son Paul (S01E52)

Episode Date: July 13, 2022

Agents from the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division (SLED) are scheduled to present evidence against Alex Murdaugh in the double homicide of Maggie and Paul Murdaugh this Thursday July 14, 2022.  THAT IS A BIG DEAL. In this episode, you’ll hear from the journalists who have been covering this story since 2019 — Mandy Matney and Liz Farrell explain what this news means, how we were able to report it, and what’s coming next. Could this be a capital murder case? When we will know more details about what happened on June 7, 2021.  You’ll also hear from Eric Bland, an expert in South Carolina lawyer misconduct, who explains why there could be a potential conflict of interest for the defense attorneys in this case. While the news this week is huge, this saga is far from over. We still need answers for all of the victims in this case.  The Murdaugh Murders Podcast is created by Mandy Matney and Luna Shark Productions. Our Executive Editor is Liz Farrell. Advertising is curated by the talented team at AdLarge Media. Find us on social media: https://www.facebook.com/MurdaughPod/ https://www.instagram.com/murdaughmurderspod/ For current and accurate updates: Twitter.com/mandymatney Support Our Podcast at: https://murdaughmurderspodcast.com/support-the-show Please consider sharing your support by leaving a review on Apple at the following link: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/murdaugh-murders-podcast/id1573560247 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I think I know who might have killed Maggie and Paul Murdoch, and while these details are hard to fathom, and it's been a long time coming, Alec Murdoch should be facing murder charges soon, and this week we should be closer than ever to the truth of what happened on June 7th, 2021. My name is Mandy Matney. I have been investigating the Murdoch family for more than three years now. This is the Murdoch Murders Podcast with David Moses and Liz Farrell. So we're back, and as always, when we take time off, it has been a baptism by fire coming

home. I won't lie and say that it was a huge surprise coming home to news that murder charges were finally coming against Alec Murdoch. About a month ago, we were told that the Colitan County Grand Jury was set to hear evidence against Alec Murdoch and the double homicide of Maggie and Paul Murdoch this July. We were initially told it was going to happen last week, so Liz, David, and I packed up our podcast studio and were fully prepared to break the news while on vacation. Then while living my best life frolicking around a Jamaican pool with a cold pineapple

drink and hand, I got a text from my best source in this case saying something along the lines of, enjoy your vacation, it isn't happening this week. So the universe gave us the break that we really needed, and on Tuesday morning, Will folks of fitsnews.com got the green light to publish the big news. Agents from the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division, also known as SLED, as you all know by now, are scheduled to present evidence against Alec Murdoch and the double homicide of Maggie and Paul Murdoch this Thursday, July 14th, 2022. And that is a big deal, but like we said, this news has been a long time coming.

We all feel like we've been waiting forever for this. So on Tuesday afternoon, I spoke with Will folks about the breaking news. I think it's something everybody knew was coming. I mean, over the last few months, we've been reporting and you've been reporting on all the evidence that's been accumulating. In fact, we had law enforcement sources telling us as recently as June that there's a mountain of evidence implicating Alec Murdoch and these killings. And so I don't think today was any surprise.

I think it's just the timing. And certainly the fact that this was almost immediately confirmed by the family, confirmed by his attorneys, I think that just goes to the credibility of that network of sources that both its news and the Murdoch Murders podcast have built up over the last few years covering this story. Shortly before Will broke the story about the upcoming grand jury presentation Tuesday morning, law enforcement had informed the families about what was coming. In two hours, legacy media began publishing their own reports.

We knew they could not have gotten the story from the same source as we did. So we immediately figured it was coming from the Murdoch camp, which is exactly right. John Marvin Murdoch told the Post and Courier that he had been visited by sled. Jim Griffin finally put himself on the record on Tuesday afternoon telling Fox Carolina that Alec plans to ask for a bond hearing so that law enforcement will have to lay out the evidence against him. I don't want to dwell too much on this, but definitely want you guys to understand that when we point out how legacy media does this stuff, it's because they have been a huge

part of why the Murdochs were so protected for so long. They continue to use the very same sources who obviously want to spend the story in a way that allows them to keep and grow their power. So back to John Marvin, why did sled feel the need to alert him and Alec's other siblings about the upcoming charges? This is a good question. Well Carolina has a victims bill of rights, which includes a victims right to be reasonably informed about an arrest being made in their case.

But as John Marvin a victim, I don't mean to minimize this pain here because I know he cared about Maggie and deeply loved Paul. To our mind though, the direct victims in this are Maggie's family and Buster. To alert the Murdoch family to Alec's impending indictment seems really tricky to us because once again law enforcement seems to be factoring in a family that just over a year ago they were investigating for obstructing justice in the boat crash investigation. This is also a family who doesn't seem to want to acknowledge its own power while doing everything they can to preserve their legacy and wealth.

Then again, maybe John Marvin's role as Maggie's personal representative and Randy Murdoch's role as Paul's personal representative puts them in the victim category, which is a real sticky mess and we'll talk more about that. Anyway, we're so glad that the murder investigation is finally winding down. This last summer we have repeatedly heard that these charges are coming. Finally we can say it's happening and mean it. Yeah, you're right. In late May we started seeing this cycle of, oh it's happening this week, it's happening

this Thursday and every week since then pretty much has been the same thing. We go through the same treadmill of anticipation and everybody gets excited. We start planning and then, oh no, it's not happening. But yeah, this week I think it was different because first of all, everyone in the aftermath of that one year anniversary, when that didn't happen, I think people at that point knew, okay, well it's not, no one's waiting on anything symbolic. They're actually waiting on particular evidence and they're waiting on being able to present that evidence in a manner that they believe is going to be effective to get the indictments.

We started hearing the rumblings a few weeks ago about the timing and just as we got closer it became clear just the specificity of the sources regarding, okay, it's not happening in Columbia, it's happening in Collin. It's not going to happen the holiday week, it's going to happen after. Over time that one or two sources, the chatter, you write it off but then you start hearing it from more and more people and then you start going to those credible sources and you know as well as I do, these folks aren't the best bluffers. So if you've got something solid and you put them on the spot, you can almost feel it through

the phone line or even better yet, if you're having a cup of coffee with them, you can see it. But it became very clear over the last couple weeks that, okay, this wasn't a drill. You know, we'd been through the drill but this wasn't a drill, this was actually happening and again, you know, we don't fire anything out unless we're sure of it and again having the family and the attorneys for Alec Murdoch confirm it so quickly, I think once again just goes to the credibility of those sources and how hard we've worked to build that network. So we were originally a little suspicious about the state AG's office and Sled deciding

to present to the Colleton County Grand Jury as opposed to the state grand jury which has been handling this case from the beginning. You're absolutely right. That's a huge question. Why is this being handled in Colleton County where the Murdochs have been, you know, rulers reigning supreme for decades as opposed to the statewide grand jury which has clearly proven that it's not afraid to take on the Murdochs. I don't know the answer to that and I'll be honest, the people that I've spoken with,

those who are questioning it have some really good questions and I think the biggest question is you've got statewide grand jurors who have been exposed to all this information, who have seen all of this information and who in addition to that have seen all the other investigations into Alec Murdoch whether it's the financial crimes, whether it's the obstruction of justice in the aftermath of the boat crash which I think is going to be coming back on the radar here before too much longer. They've been exposed to all of this information. They've been provided with evidence related specifically to the homicides so why are they

not handling it? It makes absolutely no sense and I do think that there is some concern in the Colleton County grand jury, the fact that they're handling it and not the statewide grand jury but hopefully the evidence is so strong that again for an indictment all you need is the probable cause. Again, it's not a court of law. It's not guilty or innocent. It's just a question of is there enough evidence here to justify a charge but yeah it is concerning that it's happening in Colleton and not up at the statewide grand jury which again has

proven that it's unafraid of taking on the Murdochs. One of the key differences between the state grand jury and county juries is this. The statewide grand jury is tasked with handling investigations that span multiple counties like the financial crimes whereas the county juries handle crimes that clearly occurred in their own jurisdiction such as murders. One of the theories is correct, you're correct. One of the theories is that because the murders happened in a specific county that the jurisdiction is exclusive to Colleton County and I think the logic there is similar to the logic after

the roadside shooting back on Labor Day of last year which obviously happened in Hampton County so those charges you know he was sent to Hampton County for the for the volunteering etc and so everything was handled through there instead of through the statewide grand jury and I understand that and certainly there is logic there and if they want to be deferential to the local law enforcement local prosecutors I certainly respect that but once again you've got a group of people who have been tasked to investigate all of these crimes and I don't see any difficulty in pointing to this double homicide as part of a broader criminal operation apart of a criminal network.

We know that Alec Murdoch was under investigation for these financial crimes right before the double homicide took place. Is there a connection there? We don't know but there's certainly enough suspicion to warrant that homicide investigation being part of the statewide grand jury's investigations and again it just surprised me that this was taken out of their hands and sent down to Colleton County where again the Murdochs have been ruling without opposition for decades. Grand juries are secretive and confusing in a part of the criminal justice system that

so many really don't know enough about so I asked Will to explain the difference between a state grand jury and a county grand jury. I think the differences between a county grand jury and a state grand jury I think you're looking at complexity of crime and I think a statewide grand jury case is going to involve like you said multiple counties but sort of a network of crime not necessarily one particular crime so again what the statewide grand jury has been looking at with Murdoch and what we've seen over the past few months as co-conspirators have been indicted on various crimes as additional crimes have been filed against Alec Murdoch what we've seen is that you've got this pattern

of criminal activity you've got this various facets of criminal activity and you've got all of that activity taking place across an entire region the 14th circuit there in the South Carolina low country and so that's clearly a case that's tailor made for the statewide grand jury because it's complex it's broad it has all these different facets a county grand jury on the other hand you know it's going to be like John shot Tim or Brenda Stoll from Beatrice you know it's a very it's a simple crime it's something that's pretty easily documented as far as probable cause go and it's not a big sort of involved process so I understand again why you would take a murder out of the hands of the statewide grand jury

if you want to show deference to the local prosecutors to the local authorities but again the 14th circuit solicitor here has recused himself and basically now you've got attorney general's prosecutors going down to his circuit in front of his grand jury and essentially standing in his shoes to present these allegations against Alec Murdoch and again it gives a lot of people heartburn and I think it gives them heartburn for good reason but once again we just got to hope that the evidence is strong enough that any kind of doubt that anybody would have related to whether or not there's probable cause here that that would be erased and we'll be right back speaking of evidence we'll do a quick rundown of what we

know so far first is the high velocity impact spatter that was apparently found on Alec's clothing from that night we were told it could have only come from one thing and that is standing over Maggie's body when she was shot we know that investigators are going to be able to show that the weapons used belonged to the Murdochs and real quick we can already tell from at least one report in mainstream media that one of the ways the Murdoch camp might try to discredit investigators is by questioning the two guns one man scenario how could Alec kill Maggie and Paul using two guns one thing to keep in mind is that the Murdochs had a small arsenal at Moselle guns were readily available to them I think this will be one of the things that will become more

clear after the indictment but think of it this way if one of the guns had two bullets and those two bullets were used to shoot and kill Paul then the shooter who we can now say was allegedly Alec can either reload or grab another gun it's not difficult to explain okay back to the evidence we have also heard that Alec had gunshot residue on his hands we know that Maggie was apparently lured there that evening by Alec and otherwise had not planned to be at Moselle we know that the timeline Alec gave law enforcement has been highly questioned and that there is evidence discrediting his narrative from that night including a video found on Paul's phone that shows that counter to what he told sled Alec was at Moselle just before Paul and Maggie were killed

we're also told that there's other evidence that shows Alec's movement from that night which again discredits his quote-unquote ironclad alibi then there are the financial crimes that he's been accused of those might speak to motive at the time of the murders Alec was a powerful attorney whose word was simply accepted as the truth no one knew then that he'd been allegedly stealing from clients for years on Tuesday he was disbarred by the state Supreme Court meaning he's now just a guy whose word means nothing finally the last bit of evidence we know about was revealed to Fitznews readers last week and that is the geofencing data I'll let Will explain that yeah this was actually one of the more fascinating stories I think of this whole saga is just this

whole debate over cell phone records of tower dumps and geofencing of course which is taking a particular time and location and then just trying to get a record of any devices or objects tied to GPS that have moved through that area and it's a fascinating field even outside of the Murdoch story because you go into fourth amendment protections and there have been a number of court rulings recently which have called into question geofencing warrants and courts have actually said okay you can't just ask for this information and receive all these records of people who you know may have had nothing to do with the crime you've actually got to have what they call particularized probable cause which means okay there's something beyond just oh we think they were there at this time you

can't do that it's not that simple and so in this case as you well know like we've been saying there's a mountain of evidence you've got the forensic evidence you've got the video and audio and now we've got on top of that these digital records of where phones were moving at what time and not only is that an evidentiary addition to this investigation but it is also something that I believe helped law enforcement as they're putting together this broader timeline of what happened and so I think we're going to see once these indictments are unsealed and once the law enforcement agencies and prosecutors start holding press conferences and making announcements I think we're going to see that this geofencing data played a huge role not only as evidence but in that broader

timeline of what may have happened at Mazzell on that fateful evening okay so knowing the evidence is one thing we still don't know what happened or why it happens well that's the big question is what cards are going to be laid on the table from prosecutors and from from investigators how much are they going to tell us what are they going to tell us about motive what are they going to tell us about how it happened what are they going to tell us about whether anyone helped him because again there's a lot of speculation that he may not have acted alone and again I haven't heard anything to suggest that any other suspects are being looked at but still there's been speculation about that so they've got to answer some of these questions and I think the other thing they've got

to answer is what took so long you know here we are 14 nearly 15 months after the murders it was very clear again in the hours after the murders when the the announcements were made that there was no danger to the public it seems clear they knew what happened so again why did it take so long to get us here is it just because you this guy is so powerful so influential he's got such you know well-heeled attorneys in his stable is that is that what took so long I don't know but we do need those answers and my hope is that prosecutors and investigators will not opt to keep those cards to themselves my hope is that they put as many of those cards on the table as possible not only because of the public's interest here but because of the fact that there are so many victims of the

murdoch family and of this criminal empire down there and we all deserve these answers we do deserve all the answers thinking back to last June and also because he's a public figure employed by the chief law enforcement agency in this area up until last september we talked to will about this remember will was the first person to stick his neck out and report that elix murdoch was a person of interest in the double homicide yeah it was absolutely brutal in the aftermath of that report coming out and again it was 48 hours after the murders and obviously we were all doing what we do which is go to the people who know go to people who have that direct knowledge of the investigation and say what's up what's happening and so you know the same thing

like this week you get the information from the sources the best you can and it was very clear alec murdoch was who they were looking at who they were focused on and in fact i don't believe i've ever shared this me andy but i'll go ahead and tell you now one of the things that i was actually authorized to go a step further as it related to alec murdoch i was actually authorized to call in my prime suspect but in doing due diligence and in trying to show respect and to wait and not rush to judgment you know my response was well let me ask you this is person of interest applicable is that something that is also true and accurate and all the sources agree that that was also true and accurate because again i didn't want to rush to judgment and so it was crazy it was

crazy to actually kind of show a little bit of deference to alec murdoch and then you come out and use this term person of interest and everybody's like jumping down your throat for it and i was like what are you guys don't even know you don't even know i mean we could have gone so much harder against this guy but yeah the reaction to that story was very negative and as you know there's this very entrenched legal community and alec murdoch's just a pillar of that community and they're all in this clique and so they recoiled at it you know they were very upset they were it felt like they we were not just slamming alec murdoch we were slamming the entire profession and so yeah there was a lot of how dare you he's a grieving father he's a grieving husband how dare you and you know

no it's not about that it's about again sources who know what the truth is sources who we built up over years of relationships and just being able to trust those sources and the information they provide us remember the ironclad alibi shortly after the murders fits news was first to report that the murdoch camp was telling people behind the scenes that elix alibi that night was indisputable they obviously wanted to prevent any stories that would paint elix unfavorably but ironclad it's a heck of a thing to say whenever i heard that term i was like yeah okay we'll see frankly if mandian will hadn't been doing the work they were doing last summer mainstream media might have been fine and dandy with the unspecified quote unquote ironclad alibi and done nothing more to

push the story that's correct the reports that we heard was that he had an ironclad alibi that he was cooperating fully with sled and with law enforcement and that we were crazy to implicate him in any way and that we were going to end up getting sued and embarrassed uh and in fact i think i put one of the quotes in the story this morning from one of those sources about you know you're going to look like an asshole well no he never had an ironclad alibi and i think one of the things that's going to be so important about all this digital data the gfn scene the cell tower dumps all that historical cell phone information i think that's going to really minute by minute showcase exactly the movements exactly where he was and certainly obviously we also know

there's audio and video which goes against things that he and his attorneys have told investigators regarding the timeline so yeah from the very beginning i felt the ironclad alibi thing was bunk but again you asked did i ever stop and pause well you know again we very early on could have gone much harder against him and again i settled on the term person of interest because i felt that that was going to allow the investigation time to kind of breathe and also frankly you know i wanted to hold out hope that okay all these people are telling us he's not not guilty he's a pillar of the community etc he had obviously snowed hundreds of people down there you know maybe he snowed me a little bit in those first minutes because otherwise i think you know when you get a source

like that telling you he's a prime suspect ordinarily you go with it but we settled on person of interest because i think it was the responsible thing to do and it ended up being you know i think the right call so one major question in all of this as we move forward is whether the state attorney general's office will designate this as a capital murder case and seek the death penalty against elec i asked will folks about this as he's more familiar with the state prosecutorial procedures well in a case like this you better decide quickly and i think it absolutely would fit capital category if there's the sort of premeditation that we think might be at play here and again i'm referring to a financial motive or a motive to sort of paint a picture of okay the

family's being targeted by people if there's a premeditation based on any sort of motive like that a financial motive or a motive to sort of throw the scent off of this other investigation the boat crash situation i think if there's any of that i think it's absolutely a capital case because there's premeditation there's a clear motive and as we've also previously reported liz ferrell reported this that there is a belief that he may have lured maggie murdoch to mazel on that fateful evening so that's another factor that would absolutely go toward a capital case a couple of things to know about the death penalty in south carolina needless to say it's been pretty gruesome here if you look at the statistics you'll find that south carolina

has executed more than 300 people since 1900 and most of the people put to death have been black we haven't had an execution here since 2011 because of the pharmaceutical company's ban on selling the drugs necessary to do so but earlier this year our legislature decided to make the electric chair the default method of execution and elix attorney dick har putlian was key in having the firing squad added as an option we have an inmate on death row who chose the firing squad as his option but that case has been halted by the state supreme court while they decide whether the punishment is proportionate to the crime richard moore is accused of killing a convenience store clerk in 1999 at any rate a murder must meet one of

12 criteria set out by state law for it to be considered a capital case the criteria are pretty specific in fact one of them is related to the murder of a solicitor or former solicitor and another is related to the murder of a family member of a solicitor or former solicitor but that's not what happened here obviously in elix case the ag could seek the death penalty because he's being accused of two murders and this might be more difficult to prove but the death penalty could be sought if elix were trying to eliminate paul as a potential witness against him in the obstruction case or the mallory beach wrongful death case here's will with more about how the ag's office might pursue this well they couldn't do it for a long time because the only method of

execution was lethal injection and the companies that manufactured one of those three chemicals in that cocktail were not providing the chemicals so only recently has that been ramped back up but yeah this would absolutely be a a good test case i would say i mean this is probably the biggest criminal case south carolina has ever seen and again we don't even know you know we're looking at these murder indictments as a or forthcoming murder indictments as a major development and they are they're a huge development in the highest profile component of this case up to this point but we still don't know how deep this thing goes we still don't know how many people are involved we still don't know how many institutions are out there that played a part in it that need to be

held accountable so yes it's a big moment in the case but the fight for justice for a whole lot of victims continues the ag's office can handle capital cases they've got multiple attorneys in that in that office who are are certified ready able and in this case i think they will be exceedingly willing to to take on that challenge if that's what the decision is but again that decision lies with uh the attorney general alan wilson he's going to have to decide whether or not to pursue the death penalty in this case and i do not envy him for having to make that decision because that is a very tough call my suspicion is that the attorney general will face tremendous political pressure not to seek the death penalty i know you're probably sitting there thinking wait wait a

minute this guy may have in a very premeditated fashion with some very serious motivations killed his wife and kid in cold blood why wouldn't you seek the death penalty but again we got to remember this guy was part of the club he was part of the clique he was part of that community of trial lawyers that wields so much power in south carolina he was one of them and so i think the ag's is going to face tremendous pressure from those people not to seek the death penalty but i do also think he'll be facing a lot of public pressure from a whole lot of victims to go in the other direction and seek the death penalty we'll be right back we talked to eric bland on tuesday about another sticky issue here a very complicated issue in fact

so remember dick har puttlian and jim griffin were paul murdoch's attorneys in the boat crash case up until his murder they are now representing paul suspected murderer which isn't only awkward it could present a conflict of interest meaning they might not be able to continue on as elix attorneys this could be a big deal because again elix could be facing the death penalty and whoever represents him could be basing their success on whether or not he is sentenced to death if convicted everything is on the line here so the question is can dick har puttlian and jim griffin ethically represent the man accused of killing their former client we asked eric bland this because he is one of the top experts in south carolina on attorney misconduct here is what

he said so one you have three things that you deal with here the appearance of impropriety does it appear improper that dick is representing alex against his former client the answer is yeah is that the beginning and end of the analysis the answer is no number two are they substantially related the answer is on their face no now the complicated one is the third problem which is did they learn something in the course and scope of the representation of paul either directly from paul or through their investigation that if they walked in the court to defend alex on these murder charges are they violating their duty of candor or do they become a material witness or based on the rule that you just cited are they violating duties to a former client we want to talk briefly about

elix potential motive in the murder one consistent theory for motive involves the mallory beach lawsuit which could put elix on the hook for owing millions of dollars for mallory's wrongful death so if and this is a big if the state focuses on the boat crash lawsuit being a potential motive as elix world was collapsing and paul was the source of his family's downfall here is what matters when it comes to deciding whether or not dick and jim stay on the case did they come into possession of information from paul that would actually show alex's culpability and are they going to now go before a court in the murder case and say oh no alex had no motive at all and no intended on you know he there was no reason why he would kill his son well if they're doing that

and paul had told them where they came in possession during that defense of paul from investigators who investigated all of a sudden wait a minute alex really does have implication in the martinsley lawsuit now and had that because he bought him the alcohol he obstructed justice he tried to manipulate the police he knew that paul was using a fake id now all of a sudden it starts to get problematic because now there is incentive for him to take out paul so it's not that paul's estate would bring emotion to disqualify dick and jim the state actually can do it the opposing parties can bring emotion to disqualify the other side's lawyers and raise these issues so it's really interesting you know on first blush you say oh they're not substantially

related so dick and jim are fine for representing alex but then you got to say that's not where the alex just ends the question then becomes did they learn something in representing paul that now if they go into court to defend alex they're violating their duty of candor to the court i asked eric specifically what was an example of information that dick and jim had that could present a conflict of interest large enough for them to be removed from the case and the answer is paul says my dad knew that i had a fake id and he encouraged me to use it knew i was using it and didn't do anything about it remember marx claims that he didn't supervise paul properly right that would be motive in a civil suit paul may if paul was living right if paul was living

unless they never got killed marx instantly sued alex and paul paul may say in order his lawyer may say to marx in order for me not to have a judgment against me for the rest of my life that i'll never get out from under i'm willing to tell you that my dad knew that i had a fake id encouraged me to use it in fact he sent me down to the store on many occasions to buy beer for a party now all the sudden it gets really sticky and speaking of sticky situations when talking to eric bland on tuesday he brought up another potential problematic situation for the murdoch family so remember john marvin murdoch maggie murdoch's brother-in-law was made personal representative of her estate last year this was apparently after maggie's sister's name was scratched off as personal

representative and someone wrote randolph's third's name in her 2005 will which is also super weird because a family of lawyers should have known that handwriting on a will ultimately invalidates it and eventually john marvin was made pr of maggie's estate and randy was in charge of paul's estate this means as personal representative of maggie and paul's estates elix brothers are in a position to choose their fiduciary duty over their own brother a big question everyone has right now is will elix family turn on him in this pr situation presents a conundrum will elix brothers sue him for wrongful death as pr's of maggie and paul's estates randy and john marvin the question is who are the heirs now maggie has a will so we know how her

stuff's going to travel through but paul didn't have a will paul died in kesty without a will so whatever assets he has upon his death would go to his mother because he didn't have children and he didn't have a wife they would go to his mother and father 100 percent well his mother's dead so that means it would go to his father well now his father's charged with murdering his mother and murdering him the state has a statute that says no he can't inherit from paul whatever paul had so now it falls to his next closest heir buster so the question is is randy going to sue elix for wrongful death of paul now if elix was bill gates uh hell you you would do it in a second he would sue him because he has a duty listen randy as personal representative has a duty to the

estate of paul he owes no duties to elix and he has to do within the best interest of the estate of paul the state of south carolina is telling randy your brother killed your client the estate so we don't know whether elix is going to have the money and so randy is going to have to most likely bring a wrongful death suit against alice if he's dispensing his duties to the estate remember he owes 100 percent duties to the estate of paul nothing to alix he can't take alix into consideration when he accepted being pr for paul's estate he accepted it lock stock in smoking barrels and so he's going to have to now make a decision if these murder charges are brought do i bring wrongful death charges against alix now he may say well alice is broke and there's no money left

because tinsley's going to clean the clock bland's cleaning his clock on satterfield bland cleans his clock on pliler vanberg cleans his clock on tithney and then the state is going to seek retribution and they're going to make him you know pay money to you know whatever the criminal charges are however he still may have a lot more money because we think he's hiding out money and we do think he's hiding money for the record and we need to know where that money went because the victims need to know because the victims deserve that we need to know who is paying dick harpultian and jim griffin and where that money is coming from to be extremely clear when murder charges do come this week it does not mean this is all over not by a long shot this is merely

the beginning for those of us watching this case closely the news this week comes as no surprise but we need answers about much more than who killed maggie and paul we need to know why elix wasn't arrested that night we need to know why duffy stones investigators were allowed on scene we need to know why john marvin was pictured with those investigators we need to know what is going on at usc law is this where corruption in our south carolina legal system begins we need to know how elix was able to steal millions of dollars from innocent clients such as the satterfield family we need to know what role judge carmen mullen played in the satterfield heist considering she is still ruling from the bench and deciding who gets their freedom taken away we need to change

the way judges are elected in the south carolina justice system which has proven in this story time and time again to serve as a playground for the corrupt and powerful we need to know how the south carolina supreme court who finally disbarred elix this week ahead of indictments allowed such widespread corruption to take place among officers of the court and we need to know what they will do in the future to prevent that elix didn't act alone and most importantly we need answers for the victims in this case we need to know what happened to gloria satterfield we need to know what happened to akim pinkney we need to know who killed steven smith we need justice for gloria for mallory for maggie for paul for hakeem for steven and we won't stop until we

get answers for all of them and to end this podcast i do have some positive news to share about steven smith stevens wonderful and fearless mother sandy smith who has fought tirelessly for justice for the past seven years will finally be able to commemorate stevens resting place with a headstone and a ceremony this sunday the headstone means the world to sandy who wants me to thank every person who donated to the standing for steven fundraiser last week was the seven-year anniversary of stevens brutal and still unsolved murder we hope that someone out there listening has information and now that the tides of justice have changed in hampton county that someone will come forward with evidence we will be making noise and demanding justice in

stevens case until we have answers and those responsible for the murder bungling the investigation and ultimately obstructing justice answer for their crimes stay tuned the murdoch murders podcast is created by me mani matinee and my fiance david moses our executive editor is lizz ferrell produced by luna shark productions