Murdaugh Murders Podcast - Incoming Call From Alex Murdaugh - Part Two (S01E49)

Episode Date: June 15, 2022

After officials released Alex Murdaugh’s jailhouse phone call recordings, we now have a much clearer understanding of the former attorney and volunteer solicitor’s relationships, plots, and life behind bars.  The Murdaugh Murders Podcast has been working tirelessly listening to more than 100 phone calls between Alex and his family members.  This episode will be one of at least two covering these public records.  During this episode, you’ll hear Alex speak with his family about moving around assets before the receivership was in place.  You’ll hear calls between Alex and his sister-and-law Liz Murdaugh — who is apparently one of his biggest supporters.  You’ll hear more about Alex’s life behind bars and his family apparently supporting him no matter what was revealed about him.  Stay tuned for more. Read more about these calls: https://www.fitsnews.com/2022/06/14/the-alex-murdaugh-jail-house-calls-john-marvins-too-scared-to-do-anything-thats-teetering/ The Murdaugh Murders Podcast is created by Mandy Matney and Luna Shark Productions. Our Executive Editor is Liz Farrell. Advertising is curated by the talented team at AdLarge Media. Find us on social media: https://www.facebook.com/MurdaughPod/ https://www.instagram.com/murdaughmurderspod/ For current and accurate updates: Twitter.com/mandymatney Support Our Podcast at: https://murdaughmurderspodcast.com/support-the-show Please consider sharing your support by leaving a review on Apple at the following link: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/murdaugh-murders-podcast/id1573560247 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, this is an Amtel operator calling from Albin S. Grand Detention Center with a prepaid collect call from... Alex. To accept this prepaid collect call, press 1. All phone calls are subject to monitoring and recording. Thank you for using Amtel. I don't know if we will ever fully understand Alex's ongoing schemes to hide the truth. But as a matter of public interest, the legal system seems to have fallen on the side of

transparency. And after officials released the jailhouse phone call recordings, we now have a much clearer understanding of the suspended attorneys and volunteer solicitors' relationships, plots, and life behind bars. My name is Mandy Matney. I have been investigating the Murdoch family for more than three years now. This is the Murdoch Murders Podcast with David Moses and Liz Farrell. So to start out, I have some really good news.

Last week, Richland County officials told Fitznews and the Murdoch Murders Podcast they decided to release Ellic Murdoch's jailhouse phone calls. And that is a big deal. We would like to applaud Chris Ziegler, the Richland County assistant attorney for doing the right thing. And we also want to thank our MMP supporters who are following us on social media and wrote to public officials and applied the right amount of pressure in this case. This decision shows the world that sunlight and transparency can ultimately prevail.

And now, at least some SE officials want to be on the right side of history. So after waiting all weekend and convincing ourselves that we were fooled and the tapes were never coming, the U.S. Postal Service brought us a whole lot of sunshine in the form of five sparkling, rewritable CDs. Remember those? Yes. Richland County government uses CD-ROMs delivered by mail, technology that was available when I was in elementary school, to fulfill their FOIA request.

But I will complain about that another day. Both the Fitznews and MMP teams have been working tirelessly, listening to hours and hours of phone calls between Ellic and his family members. Just as we anticipated, the phone calls were full of newsworthy information and we will place some of those clips here in a minute. We have maintained from the beginning that these tapes are important to holding Ellic and the legal system accountable and we believe it now, more than ever, because of the tricks Dick and Jim tried in keeping the tapes from being made public.

Major podcasters and critics on social media seemed to think we were never getting the tapes and that we were out of line even asking for them in the first place. They even erroneously claimed that the lawsuit had the chance of making case law in federal court and mainstream media remained silent as Dick and Jim used the federal court system to prevent us from hearing Ellic's calls. It's going to be really interesting to see whether those podcasters and other media outlets also requested the tapes. While we believe in the public's right to access public information, this one hits

a little differently for us. Because while Fitznews and the Murdoch Murders podcast fought to get those tapes, the vast majority of South Carolina journalists covering this case did nothing. Not even a supportive tweet or even a behind the scenes were with you on this. In the South Carolina Press Association, who called themselves defenders of the Freedom of Information Act, did nothing and that's shameful in my opinion and honestly shows how deep the corruption goes in this state and for me it confirmed what I had been suspecting. The Essie Press Association is probably a part of the good ol' boy system too.

I say all of this because I'm sure other podcasters and YouTubers and documentarians and other true crime hacks are going to play these tapes without acknowledging in the very least bit the work that Fitznews did to keep this case in the sunlight. And now the rest of those hacks will likely profit off of the hard work of others, which is unfortunately the sad state of media today. So before we get into the calls, I would like to kindly suggest that those listening to this podcast subscribe to Fitznews.com and show your support for the media outlet in South Carolina fighting for the truth and transparency.

So the calls. To give you an idea of what we're working with here, we had 11 phone calls for the last episode that we did on the jailhouse tapes back in February. Those calls were chosen because they were either mentioned in the prosecution's memo for LX bond reconsideration hearing or they occurred on a date that held significance. After we received those calls several months ago, we filed an additional Freedom of Information Act for the rest of the calls between October and February. In total, we listened to more than 100 jailhouse phone calls in the last few days.

We have also filed FOIAs for recent phone calls, but we anticipate it'll be a while before we receive those. As expected, the phone calls were dense and it was really hard to get through one without stopping and saying, what did he just say? Not only were they difficult to hear, they were packed with information. And I'll be honest here, the calls were very emotional at times. For the first time in all of my reporting, I started to understand why Elik was loved and believed by so many around him.

Human beings are complicated and with Elik, it's hard to understand and man accused of such horrific crimes could also be this guy who appears to show genuine concern and love for his family members. So for a few short moments, I was almost fooled myself. Could I be wrong about this guy? His family? But don't worry, that didn't last long. Elik Murdock is still hustling.

Hey. Hey. How you doing? I'm good. How you doing? Good. Hey, um, Lizzy, what information do you have to have to put money on K&D? Um, I don't have to put any, I mean I've got the website, um, so I can re-yup it.

No, no, no. Here's what I'm really asking. You remember me telling you about the guy, Clarence, he's called a run around, he's got it, he does all the stuff, and he's got to help me get books and all that. Yeah, that's the one I didn't answer. That's right. That's right. And he stirs around the wheelchair.

I mean, he does so much of me, I'd like to give him a little Christmas present. The only thing I can give him is some money on his K&D, and I'm trying to figure out, like, what you would have to have to put a little bit of money on his account. What information you would have to have. Um, I would need to know, like, his number. Okay, that's a six digit number. Yeah, that's a six digit number. And, and then I wouldn't...

Well, what is his full name? Like, first and last and full name. Um, probably just first and last. The name is Clarence Hare, like, H-A-I-R, but I'll give his number. Let me, um, if you want, if you can hang on one second, I can go down to my computer and see if I can just type it in. You've got a number of times. He's still gambling. Um, what are you doing?

Uh, just finished throwing in a little poker. I didn't, I told you my canteen got screwed up this week, right? Yeah, you did. I've been having to play chess and cards and talk and poker for canteen items. I'm about stocked back up. He's still enjoying his jail snacks. You know, the food's so bad, but Jim put some money on this canteen, so hopefully I ordered it today. They say hopefully it'll come Thursday. I mean, Wednesday. And water.

Little food, like, pop-tarts and some cakes and stuff to eat. I mean, you know, just eat. You can't eat it. You need to jail. He still loves explaining canteens to his family members and those bee sticks. All right, the canteen is, you go to just kiosk. You know what a kiosk is, right? Yeah, it's like the little computer machine out. I know what a kiosk is. All right, so you go to the kiosk and you place your order, all right? And you can order any array of things like high-team products, just that and the other. Then they got, you know, all these foods, tater chips, a bunch of varieties of the tater chips, summer sausage, bee sticks, crackers. And you can order, but you can only order $60 worth.

And you order, like, you have to order by Wednesday and the canteen delivers on Monday. So, like, on Monday, they bring you a big bag or whatever you ordered. You say you got $60 per transaction or, like, $60 a week? A week. $60 a week. He's still working out and talking about it. A lot. Like, every phone call practically. When you exercise, do you do it with a buddy or, like, that's in your pod or you just do it by yourself? You always give me, we do questions.

Do I exercise with my buddy? You know, I usually try to do it in my room. Two hours, it takes me an hour to do those up-downs or burpees, as you call them, and the mountain climbers, it takes me about an hour to do those 12 sets. And then I run in place, you know, and do stuff with my arms for about 20. He's still getting into some rather alarming mishaps. What was the Alabama final? What? Like, 30 and 10?

That's what I thought, something like that. I didn't believe what I did. I finished doing my exercises and I went to go get in the shower before the food comes. There's no officer here. And damn, I didn't lock myself out. I'm standing in with no clothes on. I got damn pie. I mean, I got, like, stuff over my bottom, but you got no damn...

What y'all doing? Okay, I have to repeat that. Elik Murdoch locked himself out of jail with no clothes on. And he wanted to chit chat with Buster about the Alabama score before telling him about his predicament. And we will be right back. Okay, so all jokes aside, Elik Murdoch is still up to the same head-scratching schemes. And we will get back to this one in another episode. Do a three-way and get Jim on the phone.

What? Just, I want to see if I'm crazy or that's what he told us. And he's also still manipulating his family. Can you call John? I got two minutes and I'm not gonna better make another call. I need $28 on the canteen because the state's giving the deadline is 10 o'clock in the morning, so I need to order it tonight because I'm not gonna get out in the morning. Okay, I'll...

$28. And tell them that, I mean, my status changed, but they haven't implemented it yet, so I haven't had any time. Tell John that I'll be calling him tomorrow. I'll be calling you tomorrow. I'm sending you a letter. Where you want me to send it to? John's house. John's house.

All right, and I usually text Randy and Lynn on the weekend where you text them and tell them I haven't been able to use the phone and I'll give them a call when I can. Yeah. All right, so text Randy and Lynn, John Marvin, $28 is the most important thing. That needs to be done right now. Okay. And I'll call you in the morning. All right, so what am I texting Randy and Lynn?

She's texting Randy and Lynn. I normally call them on the weekends, but I haven't been able to call them. She's telling them I haven't been able to call. I can only talk for a second and I'll give them a call when I can. Okay. And John Marvin put $28 on my... John Marvin and Lynn, they both know how to do it, on my canteen account. Okay.

And I love you to Brooklyn. Hey, I love her and I'll call you tomorrow. Starting tomorrow, I should have a lot more time, right? Remember I told you the third day I was? Yep. But it hasn't come into fruition yet, but it should tomorrow. Okay. All right, I love you.

All right, love you too. Bye. Even aside from the double homicide and the mysterious deaths surrounding his family, Elik is accused of some very ruthless behavior. And you think about all of the victims who have been pulled into Elik's mess and who have never been the same. You think of people like the Beach family and everything Elik has put them through and refusing to admit fault in his son's boat crash

and not settling in the lawsuit. Then you hear one of the very first phone calls Elik placed while in jail and you remember why this guy is where he is. We don't have the very first phone call Elik made from jail because Richland County held back a number of calls citing various FOIA exemptions. But we do have the second call and it was rather unsettling. You know how you know you know something, but then you find out you didn't really know because you didn't hear it for yourself.

We knew Elik was accused of going on a liquidation spree and turning his assets into cash to allegedly keep his money away from the Beach family and other victims and other potential creditors. We also know that he had been accused of prioritizing creditors like friends and family and Palmetto State Bank. But hearing someone accuse Elik of doing this and then hearing Elik do it are two different things. Let's set the scene for you.

Sometime after Elik was photographed at a Bucky's somewhere near Orlando, he was arrested October 14th, 2021 and then extradited to South Carolina. On October 19th, he was denied bond, much to his surprise and he was awaiting the results of a psychiatric evaluation for the judge to reconsider his decision. Elik's second call from jail was made two days after this. He's still in quarantine for COVID and according to a form we received in March from a FOIA we sent to the jail,

Elik was in protective custody because the jail was concerned for his safety but also Elik had signed an affidavit asking for them to drop protective custody and he did this right away, even before the hearing. Now, John Marvin, Elik's younger brother, is with his family in Sedona, Arizona. John Marvin is married to a woman named Liz and on this trip they've brought three kids and a buster. You guys remember the Las Vegas photo of Buster and John Marvin gambling? That was taken just before this.

Okay, so again, this is his second call from jail. To us, it seems like, you know, kind of a pretty big deal that he's a murdoch and now he's calling from jail as if he's at a hotel and nothing's out of the ordinary. But he's just like, hey, what's happening? Also, he wastes absolutely no time in getting to the point. Oh, and the point is to quickly liquidate his assets and keep them away from the victims and potential creditors who aren't his friends, family, or Palmetto State Bank.

Hey, man, how you doing? I hope I'm not calling you too early out there. No, no, we've been up for a while. We just got three breakfasts. What time is it out there now? It's almost nine. Okay, ten o'clock. Yeah, how you doing? How's Buster?

He's good. He's good. Hey, John, in court the other day, they made a big deal about think they're going to be moving to try to prevent us from selling stuff. Right. We need to get as much as we can completed and on that note, did Mark Ball ever respond to you? He did not.

I'll follow up with that this morning. Well, I just know they're getting ready. I mean, I don't know if it's going to be a day or a week or, you know, two weeks. I mean, they would theoretically have to serve me or Buster, but Buster doesn't accept service. Well, let me ask you a question, Alex. So I'll follow up with Randy and Mark on that,

but the don't truck investigator. Yeah. What are your... Do you have an issue of high-bound and double-money towards it? I don't know. We'll shoot it off. This seems super generous, right? And maybe it even makes sense because John Marvin owns a heavy equipment rental and sales center.

But by buying the equipment, John Marvin is expediting the situation while keeping the assets and the family. Time is of the essence here because Mark Tinsley and the court are closing in. Now, remember, Ellick and John Marvin are very aware they're being recorded or rather they're intermittently aware. And I say that because there's no other explanation

for how they go in and out of saying something that would be dumb to say on the record while also saying things that sound like they're playing to the audience. I also want to know, Ellick and Randolph took out a $600,000 line of credit from Palmetto State Bank. In September, a month before this phone call, the bank put a claim in against Randolph's estate. These guys were selling Ellick's assets to pay back that debt

so there would be no claim against the estate, which these guys will be inheriting anyway. I mean, that'll be the easiest way to do a sale. I mean, if you need them, don't do it just to help me. Well, I haven't communicated with anybody since I left, but when I left, I didn't have any buyers on either, on those two. Like I say, don't do that.

I mean, if you will... What is it like that? Should I give them to you? No, no. No, I'm not going to do that, but... Okay, well, I know what to do and I'll be working... I'm serious. If you need them, John Marvin?

No, I don't need them. Or if you have a use form, I promise you, I'll give them to you. Well, but I'm not going to do that. Either way, I'm going to follow up and see if I've got any real leads on them. And you might speak to Jim if you get a chance just to find out what kind of timeframe he thinks

before they get any kind of order preventing us from doing anything. Okay. And I mean... Well, I'm just doing everything by the book. Yeah, and it's going on. We ain't like squirreling it away. It's going to make stuff.

Well, it goes to the unsecured note. So everything else has something securing it. So it makes sense that the unsecured items would go to an unsecured note. So basically, what these guys were doing, according to this call, this is exactly why Mark Tinsley filed a motion to freeze his assets

and why he wanted to have a receivership appointed. What's annoying is this. Think about all the drama that has surrounded this receivership. About how Elix's attorneys, John Tiller and then Dick and Jim, argued that it would set a dangerous precedent. How they tried to get it dismissed.

How John Marvin did two interviews, allegedly trying to set the record straight on the whole thing. He actually lamented to one newspaper that he was nothing but transparent and this apparent scheme to pay back the bank to keep creditors away from the family's trust. Clearly, Mark Tinsley's idea for a receivership

was a smart one. It definitely rattled them. Also sending shockwaves through the Murdoch clan, Mr. Eric Bland. We'll be right back. If you remember, by October of last year, Eric Bland had emerged as a central player of the Murdoch's opposing team.

Nearly every day in October, Eric Bland was making headlines in the press for his direct and fiery quotes about Elix Murdoch. Like, there's no bottom to him and he is a liar and a cheat. In fact, Eric played an important role of applying pressure to sled to arrest Elix Murdoch

for the Gloria Satterfield case. To everyone's surprise, that arrest is what landed Elix behind bars for the foreseeable future. In a call on October 23, Buster expressed concern over the upcoming receivership hearing. Something Eric was very vocal about

as he was advocating for all of the victims in this case, not just his clients. Yeah, man, doing good. Just, you know, the new developments with the nations and everything, trying to get us to quit selling stuff. I don't know really what that's going to have in store. Yeah, I told you all that was coming.

Yeah, man, this is Eric. This is Eric. You know, I said that was coming? No, I just saw it on Twitter. No, I called Jim Marvin another day to tell him he needed to do it as quickly as possible because they were going to be doing it any day, making a motion.

So, this Eric Bland guy seems like a real charm. Well, you know, this is his five minutes in the sun, you know? Yeah. I can't believe John didn't tell you that I said that the other day. Whatever day I called, when I went to court that afternoon when I called on Wednesday,

I mean, I don't know if there's anything to be done, but told him we need to get in touch with Mark Ball, get that fund, and get it on that thing. I didn't know how quickly it was going to be done. I said it could be any day now. It could be three days. It could be a week, but it was coming. Well, it's done now.

There's no reason to threaten over it. No, he's filed a motion. He doesn't have an order yet. No, I know. I understand that it's not ruled upon. So, and I would think they got to serve me to do it. Well, they should have to serve one of us if they're going to stop me from doing something.

Well, they can only serve you if you accept service. They can't serve you. They can serve you individually to keep you from doing anything as power of attorney. But that'll keep John Marlin from selling the shit, you know? I mean, the shit that ain't got titles, especially. The plan to sell off assets and move money quickly appears to have involved

Elix former law partner Mark Ball in some way, though according to the calls, Ball had not been returning the family's phone calls during the conversation on October 23rd. Mark Ball's name should sound familiar. He was allegedly involved in the old jellyfish gambit. He was also Elix's colleague at PMPED. His name also came up in the first round of calls

that we played in the last episode on the phone calls. It sounded like Mark Ball was cutting a very important check for Elix Murdoch just days after a receivership was in place. Whatever Ball was doing, Elix wanted it done fast. But I just told John, we need to, they're going to move to try to stop us from selling stuff. We need to get, if Mark and them are going to do that, they need to do it.

We need to get that on that note ASAP and get the money on that note ASAP. You know, I don't know if it's going to be a day or a week or two weeks, but they're going to move to stop us from selling assets. Anyway, during this call, Elix says something worth noting about John Marvin to his son. Yeah, well, you know, John Marvin's too scared

to do anything that's teetering. I said, John Marvin's too afraid to do anything that's teetering. You know what I mean? Did he follow up with Mark Ball? Yeah, we've reached out to Mark, but he won't get back in touch with us. He's been that way for two weeks. I said, we've been reaching out to Mark,

but he won't get back in touch with us. He's been that way for two weeks. He doesn't respond. He doesn't respond to our emails or our calls. What, Randy won't do anything with it? I mean, I think Randy's trying to help. I just, you know, I don't think he'll call Randy either. Eric Bland also came up during one of Elix's

many phone calls with his sister-in-law, Liz, who is John Marvin's wife. Now, Elix talks to Liz Murdoch a lot. He has a close relationship with his sister-in-law. We mentioned Liz Murdoch in the last Jail Has Phone Call episode when Elix was trying to get her to put money on his buddy's canteen, which is against the rules, by the way. So by November, Elix Murdoch had been publicly accused

of a lot of horrible things. He was accused of stealing millions of dollars from clients, including his dead housekeeper's family and an injured state trooper. He was also charged in those crimes. And there was a paper trail of evidence supporting those charges. I say this because at this point, Liz Murdoch should have known that her brother-in-law

has some serious issues and has done some inexcusable things. Yet on the phone, especially during this conversation Thanksgiving week, she appears to support him 100%. And she doesn't even seem to mind when Elix asks her to do things for him. I gotta get emails. Will you send me a favor? Yeah? Will you send me a letter with everybody's email address?

You know, really, yours and Buster's and John Marvin's can send it to me first, but rather than having to do another one, just send me everybody's email. And there's a machine that we can have video calls without having to come here to do a video call. Oh, okay. I've got to figure out how to work the machine

and how to pay for it and all that. Okay, so what emails do you want me to send? I've got a pencil handy. Now, in November, attorneys Dick Harputlian and Jim Griffin were busy fighting for Elix Murdoch, both in the civil and criminal court. But Eric Bland was a big problem for them at nearly every turn. Remember, Dick and Jim filed a motion to dismiss

the Satterfield lawsuit because basically other people paid for his thievery. In response, Bland called Elix despicable and a coward all over the media. Dick and Jim were also filing paperwork and attempt to get Elix out of jail, which Bland called a desperate act by a desperate man. It was very clear that Bland was a huge problem

for Team Murdoch in November. And Dick and Jim made a shocking move then to not only silence Eric Bland, but they filed a complaint with the bar to go after his law license, which is lower than low. Anyways, this November 23rd call from Liz Murdoch shows just how loyal the family is to Elix. I'm excited about that gag order.

Oh, yeah, Jim and Dick told you about that? No, it's already online, but it's already online. Oh, it is? Yeah. No. But it made me happy. Well, I mean, you know, they tell me he's been running his mouth.

Yeah, just ruthlessly. Huh? Ruthlessly. Just kind of like venom, like he's a snake, but not venom every other word. Elix and Liz Murdoch talk a lot. We'll get into more about their relationship in another episode, but he tends to open up,

he tends to open up to her about stuff that he just really doesn't talk about in detail with his other family members, like, for instance, his little roadside shooting incident. Okay, this is something else I've been wondering. He said that you had gone, you went blind. Say again? He said you got shot.

He said that you had gone blind. I don't know for how long. Oh, yeah, I mean, I couldn't see for, I don't know, I guess a minute, minute and a half, maybe? Two minutes? A minute? I mean, do you feel like you were near death

and that you were seeing the light? No. Sometimes it's hard to remember that there are a handful of people out there who actually believe that Elix got injured in a failed suicide for hire plot. We can't say Liz Murdoch isn't devoted to her cause, but she's gone a little too far

imagining any scenario in which Elix Murdoch hits his head and angels start playing their welcoming harps. You and I both know Heaven went into Def Con 1 shutdown mode, the second he got a little woozy from the quote entrance and exit ones. Now remember, Elix attorneys claimed in the media that his injuries were much more serious than originally reported,

and they said he was lucky to be alive. But Elix describes it differently. No, it wasn't that bad. It just, I guess it was the impact. I mean, I wasn't seeing light, I was seeing dark. I mean, the first thing, you know, the first thing I thought was, you have one minute remaining. And then I'm like, I know I'm not dead.

Cause, you know, I mean, I just, I mean, I remember touching my head and I remember, I mean, I remember thinking the back of my head's blown off and I'm gonna be blind. And then, you know, it slowly started to come back. I could stand up cause it knocked me down. And then I could stand up. I knew I was standing up.

And, you know, then I think I kind of went to one knee and, you know, I couldn't see, you know, I was trying to, it didn't take, it didn't take long at all before it started improving. He claims he initially thought his injury was a lot worse than it actually was. I couldn't see. I mean, now for a second I thought to myself, you know,

am I dead? It didn't take me long to realize I wasn't dead. And the next thing that occurred is, oh my God, I'm really gonna be messed up. I'm gonna be blind, you know. And then it started quickly coming back. But I mean, I could reach back and feel my head and I knew my head wasn't missing, you know?

I mean, I could feel it was bleeding, but I could tell like it wasn't like a big section of my head blown off. Alex then describes what sounds like an extremely miraculous bullet-to-head trajectory. You know, it never hit my brain. You know that, right? Well, actually, I guess I thought that it did hit your brain

because... No, listen to this. All right, so you know how fast a bullet comes out of a gun, right? Yeah. All right, so it hits my head. It goes into my skin and puts a hole and kind of goes around my skull

and comes out an inch and a half, two inches further away. So I had an inch and an exit wound, but it didn't penetrate my skull. It cracked it a little bit and the force caused me to have two brain bleeds. But, you know, all the brain bleed is as a bruise on the brain. Mm-hmm. So I don't think it was anything permanent.

I don't feel dumber, kindred or anything like that. But no, this wasn't like, okay, things feel dark and I see the light and I'm going to the light. It went dark and I couldn't see shit. And then it started lightening up and I could see things around me. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Well, never. I think it was just the impact from the force of the bullet that knocked me down and probably, I don't know, I guess sight is somewhere back there and it interrupted it for a little while. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, well, okay. I'll tell you all the details when I see you. That's another thing about these calls that we've realized. Alec believed he was getting out of jail. He kept saying, I don't want to get my hopes up. But at the same time, he kept saying things, like when I get out of here. A lot of times, followed up with phrases like,

I'll tell you about the things I can't say over the phone. And just so his lawyers know, because they tried to argue the opposite, Alec was very much aware that he was being recorded and his phone calls were being listened to. I mean, you know, every one of these phone calls is recorded and you know that, you know that they're listening to him. Yeah.

Well, I knew that they weren't recorded. I didn't know if they really cared or listened to. I'll talk about it. I promise you they're listening to mine. As you can see, there is so much more to unpack in these calls. And that's what we're going to keep doing. So much reporting has gone into the story and the phone calls are yet another layer of this unfolding saga.

There are a lot of connections to make and a lot of questions to ask. And that's what we will continue doing. There's a lot going on with things like Buster getting back into law school and we will talk about everything that was said and not said about Maggie and Paul. We have a lot more calls to share with you. Stay tuned. It is not often I get to share really great news in this saga, but I have some for you today.

The Satterfield family, with the help of their amazing attorneys, Eric Bland and Ronnie Richter, are starting a foundation in honor of Gloria Satterfield. Not to forget their community. The Satterfield family is creating a charitable foundation known as Gloria's Gift Foundation. And it will aid struggling Hampton County families at Christmas. In a recent release, Bland and Richter announced a foundation that will be formed in Gloria's honor that will initially be funded by some of the settlement proceeds received by Gloria's sons and her surviving siblings.

The foundation will be for the exclusive benefit of underprivileged Hampton County families. The good, God-fearing, law-abiding and hardworking people who struggle, like Gloria did, to make ends meet. I am honored that the Satterfields invited me to speak at the ceremony this Thursday at the Stanley Art Center in Hampton, South Carolina. I am so grateful to be a part of this event symbolizing changing tides and better days ahead for Hampton County. Stay tuned to fitsnews.com for updates and video of this event. The Murdoch Murders Podcast is created by me, Manny Matney, and my fiance, David Moses. Our executive editor is Liz Farrell.

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