Murdaugh Murders Podcast - MMP Remastered #42 - Who Killed Maggie And Paul? Part Three

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Starting point is 00:02:23 You would think a 911 call, like a 911 call would do that. I think it's just more remembering what it was like hearing it before we knew everything to be true that we thought would be true. Right. And realizing, you know, this was a low, like, this is not. Do you remember how many people said, like, how you can't fake that kind of emotion? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:02:47 The gas lighting was so strong during that time. And, like, people standing up for me, man. Well, people who knew him, like, I know a few people that listened to the 911 call that knew him, and they're like, that's, he's not faking, that's real. There's no way, you know, you can fake that kind of emotion on a 911 call. And I think as we backed out of it, we can see that he was perfectly capable of that. And in fact, during the trial, remember, they brought up, like, you know, he bragged about how he could, like, turn on the waterworks for the juries. So it was, it felt really good to me because I really feel like when I was being told that in 2021, I just, I didn't believe it. To me, it sounded like he had worked himself up.

Starting point is 00:03:38 How about you? I remember talking to a person who knew Alex really well and she listened to the phone call over and over at first trying to convince herself that he did not do it. And I remember her saying, like, Mandy, listen to the very beginning and you can hear him right before he's on the phone versus him being on the phone turning it off, turning it off, like, you're turning it on. In the first few seconds, that was just, it was kind of mind-numbing. I remember at the time listening to it over and over and over again for just any clue. but now you look back on it and it's like, oh, duh. This man is lying. And anyways, dissecting it was just so crazy.

Starting point is 00:04:30 And it's still now looking back and like, oh, all the instincts were right. We heard that, I remember hearing it for the first time and being shocked by how high-pitched his voice was. Yeah, we became used to that, didn't we? Right, and then we got really used to it, yeah. Well, because so there's the 911 call of the murders, but the 911 call for the alleged roadside shooting was even more telling because I think at that point we were very much convinced that he was responsible for the murders.

Starting point is 00:05:05 So the second 911 call in September of 2021, what we learned from that call was how he started it with a story of what happened instead of, I was shot in the head, the thing you would say, if you had to be shot in the head. So he was like trying to like lay a foundation for his case, like, I pulled over to the side of the road and then I was changing the time. It was like, that's not what you do when you're, you know, in an emergency situation. It's what you do when you're trying to be believed. Right.

Starting point is 00:05:40 And I just remember. And it was also hard to make judgment at the time based on the 911 call because. we were just getting part of it. Remember, it was like parts of it that were heavily redacted and we were trying to figure out what they were. So, but we were like, I don't hear him being scared. He just discovered his wife and son on his creepy giant property in the dark. And he's not like, I'm going to stay in my car until you guys get here because I'm freaking out.

Starting point is 00:06:13 Or like, they could be in the bushes. I'm going to go get them. Like, there was none of that. So, yeah, it's very interesting seeing this and looking back on this episode of MMP. And here it is. I don't know who killed Paul or Maggie Murdoch, but it looks like we're closer to getting answers. As we reported this week, high-velocity impact spatter directly links L.A. Murdoch to the homicides of his wife and son, according to our sources. And that is a big

Starting point is 00:06:53 deal. My name is Mandy Matney. I've been investigating the Murdoch family for more than three years now. This is the Murdoch Murdoch Murders podcast with David Moses and Liz Pharrell. So back in early January, in our first episode of 2022, we broke a big story in the double homicide investigation of Maggie and Paul Mardock. In episode 26, we reported that there was direct physical evidence that placed Elyke Murdoch at Moselle at the time his wife and son were killed. Back in January, we couldn't tell you what that evidence was. But since then, multiple sources said that high-velocity impacts batter was present on the shirt Elyke Murdoch was wearing the night of the double homicides. And this evidence has been independently analyzed and confirmed by multiple forensic experts, including at least one out-of-state laboratory. This evidence not only directly places Elyke Murdoch at the scene of the double homicide at the time of

Starting point is 00:08:15 of the killings, it puts him in proximity to one or both of his family members as they were shot. As a reminder, Ehrlich has maintained his innocence from the beginning. His attorneys say they accounted for every move of his that night. And at the time the coroners say, Maggie and Paul were killed, they claimed Ehrlich was with his mother 20 minutes away watching a game show on television with her. We're going to play a short clip when Jim Griffin was interviewed by Fox Carolina in October 2021. I can assure you that we have Alex whereabouts and accounting for completely during that period of time. That night, he's sitting on the bedside of his mother at her house when the coroner says these murders happen.

Starting point is 00:09:08 She has dementia. There's a house sitter, a caregiver, round-the-clock care, with the And they're watching a game show television. They're watching a game show on television. What Jim Griffin is saying here directly conflicts with what sources are saying the evidence in the case points to. It's important to note that according to our sources, this body fluid spatter is not the only piece of evidence placing Ehrlich at Moselle when he claims he was nowhere near there.

Starting point is 00:09:39 But its analysis could, in part, explain why the investigation has continued for more than 10 months without arrest. Sources have not disclosed details about whether the spatter was from blood, fluid, or other biological matter. They have referred to the evidence as significant. This evidence is separate from what we've already reported about the guns in this case. Multiple sources said that at least one of the weapons used in the double homicide belonged to the Murdoch family. Now, it's been several months since we last talked in detail about the double homicide investigation. So in this episode, we'll tell you everything we know about the June 7th double homicide,

Starting point is 00:10:25 including a lot of new information about the Murdoch family. We will speak with an expert about what high-impact spatter is and what it means. And most importantly, we will put all of this into context. So we have talked at length about what happened at most. on June 7th, 2021, but we haven't told you much about what was going on with the Murdoch family around that time. In fact, a subpoena was issued for investigators to comb through the Murdoch's finances in April of 2021. That's less than six weeks before the murders. Keep in mind, Alec Murdoch was still stealing money at this point, allegedly. According to the indictments, between March

Starting point is 00:11:10 and July of 2021, Ehrlich is accused. of manipulating a Bamberg County attorney named Chris Wilson, who is also one of Ellick's close longtime friends, into writing him three checks totaling $792,000 for his share of the legal fees. In a case, these two were working on together instead of writing that check to PMPED per protocol, according to the indictment. Murdoch told Wilson that he was going to structure his fees himself because of his potential civil liability in the Mallory Beach boat crash, according to the indictment.

Starting point is 00:11:47 He was apparently admitting that he was trying to hide money from the Beach family. He allegedly lied to Wilson and told him that PMPED was aware of this. Murdoch didn't structure the fees. He just took the money for himself, allegedly. In fact, on April 20, 2021, Ehrlich allegedly stole one of those checks. The state grand jury subpoena would definitely throw a large wrench in Ehrlich Murdoch's poll stealing millions from client scam. Why was the state grand jury investigating Elyke Murdoch's finances? Remember, in the spring of 2021, Paul Murdoch was out on

Starting point is 00:12:25 bond for the fatal boat crash that killed 19-year-old Mallory Beach. While that case wasn't close to trial, even though it had been more than two years since the crash, the grand jury was investigating something else. In the spring of 2021, Ehrlich and his family, as well as certain members of law enforcement that they counted as friends, unbeknownst to most people at the time, were being investigated for interfering in the 2019 boat crash investigation and obstructing justice. Maybe they were trying to determine whether any of the Murdox had paid South Carolina Department of Natural Resources officers or others to muck up the scene, destroy or lose evidence, or not offer Paul Murdoch a field sobriety test that night.

Starting point is 00:13:09 Those are just a few guesses. Anyway, pressure was most certainly building on Ehrlich Murdoch in the spring of 2021. Adding to the mountain of problems he was facing at the time, Eleg's father, the family patriarch, Randolph Murdoch III, was dying of cancer. Randolph was powerful. He served as the solicitor over the 14th Circuit for two decades before he retired in 2006. Randolph was respected by powerful players across the low country, especially by law enforcement members. But that respect did not carry through to the next generation.

Starting point is 00:13:50 That respect just wasn't there for Ehrlich and his brothers, like it was for Randolph. Randolph dying of cancer meant that the Murdoch family was losing their fixer, the man who always kept the Murdoch family together and was always able to keep his boys, Ehrlich especially, from facing the consequences of their actions. For Ehrlich, his family's power was dying too. The Murdoch name wasn't what it used to be, not since the boat crash. Elyke's family wasn't what they used to be either. As we've reported before, the Murdox appeared to be living separate lives in the spring of 2021.

Starting point is 00:14:30 Maggie was living in Edisto, South Carolina, at the family's beach house, where she moved in 2020. Buster was living in the Charlotte area where he was working. And Paul, well, Paul was all over the place. Something we want to note here because it's important as we're talking about ELEC's situation leading up to the murders. Paul's reckless behavior didn't seem to change at all after the boat crash. In fact, he seemed to learn nothing from the whole experience

Starting point is 00:15:01 and was becoming an even bigger liability for Ehrlich. The summer after the crash, we heard from people who had seen Paul out partying, drinking, and boating around Etistow Beach. And up until his murder, Liz and I both received regular reports of Paul's excessive partying and drunken outburst in and around the low country and in Colombia. But something we haven't reported before. Paul's credit card was apparently denied at a bar in Charleston in the weeks leading up to the murders, according to a source, close to. to the situation. Several sources told us that this was strange for Paul. He often used his mother's credit card. We mentioned this credit card thing because it's something a reliable source told me last summer, but now that so many pieces of the puzzle are in place, it's coming into focus again.

Starting point is 00:15:54 You might remember a while ago, we told you about a daily mail article that said that a source close to the family told reporters that Maggie had been worried about their financial situation in the months leading up to the murder. The source told the Daily Mail that Maggie was upset because a check she had written to a local charity had bounced a few months before the murders. Also, remember what the probate documents told us about the Murdox finances at the time. According to the documents that John Marvin chose to disclose, Maggie had just $57 left in her Bank of America bank account, the only bank account solely in Maggie's name listed at the time of her death. Maggie apparently owed a lot of money.

Starting point is 00:16:42 Over 2.1 million was owed in the mortgages on both of their properties. It looks to us like the Murdox weren't paying their Palmetto State Bank mortgages at all. And on top of all that, Maggie had over 10 grand in unpaid bills. It's safe to say that Alec Murdoch's financial situation was stressful at the time around the murders. You know what's better than the one big thing? Two big things. Exactly. The new iPhone 17 Pro on Tullis' five-year rape plan price lock.

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Starting point is 00:18:00 that the painting is genuine. We flooded the market with my paintings, and eventually the FBI will lead to my door. They uncovered a mountain of evidence against me. But they never actually got you. Why did it go away? Why did you never get indicted? How are we having this conversation?

Starting point is 00:18:25 I guess that's the greatest story of all. To hear details of how Ken Perreni evaded the scrutiny of everyone from the mafia to the FBI and lived to tell the tale, check out episode 282 of The Jordan Harbinger Show. And again, there's the boat crash lawsuit. For more than two years, the Murdox refused to settle the lawsuit that was filed by Mallory Beach's mother for Mallory's wrongful death. At that point last spring, two insurance companies had already refused to cover the crash. Only one of Elek Murdoch's insurance policies, progressive insurance, agreed to cover the Murdox in the lawsuit. But the policy was only worth $500,000. And the claims from the lawsuit

Starting point is 00:19:05 would likely be millions given the number of victims and the amount of damage. Elek Murdoch was apparently going around town claiming to be poor. So Mark Tinsley, the Beach family attorney, decided to call his bluff and began formally demanding proof of Ehrlich's financial situation. In the fall of 2020, Murdoch's attorneys made it clear to the court and to Tinsley that Ehrlich had no intention of answering any of the questions he was being asked, calling the questions irrelevant and immaterial. He wasn't going to share information about his checking and savings accounts, his retirement accounts, the properties he owned or had an interest in, his stockholdings, his life insurance policies, or his investments. And he certainly wasn't going to

Starting point is 00:19:50 provide the name of the person who prepared their taxes for the last three years. As we now know, he apparently had a lot of reasons not to share that information. The pressure on Elic Murdoch to open his books kept increasing, though, and a hearing was scheduled for June 10, 2021. When the judge would hear arguments in the Beach family's motion to compel, Murdoch to show them his money. Which brings us to June 7th, just three days before that scheduled hearing. On the day of his death, Paul worked at his uncle John Marvin's equipment rental store, ate dinner with his uncle's family and around 6 o'clock went to Moselle to check on his friend, Rogan Gibson's dog, who was boarded at the dog kennels

Starting point is 00:20:34 at Moselle. This is important because it means that Paul's presence at Moselle that night was unexpected. Even if we didn't know this information though, Paul's pattern would have been difficult to predict. Maggie, however, was expected to be at Moselle that night. In fact, multiple sources have told us that Ehrlich Murdoch lured Maggie to Moselle that night. According to our sources, Maggie told others that she was hesitant to go to Moselle that night, but ultimately she decided it was the right thing to do. It's not clear whether any of this information was found on Maggie's iPhone, which appears to have been tossed in the woods near Moselle. It was found the next morning by Ehrlich's co-workers at the 14th Circuit Solicitor's office,

Starting point is 00:21:15 with some help from Elyke's younger brother. We don't know exactly what happened after Maggie and Paul arrived at Moselle, but we're told there is another piece of evidence that places Ehrlich at the dog kennels on the property before they died, which is contradictory to what he told law enforcement from the get-go. In his 911 call that night, which he made at 107 p.m., there are a couple things that stick out to us now, knowing what we know, First, as you probably know, 911 calls start recording typically soon after you dial the number. Here's what it sounded like when Elyke called.

Starting point is 00:21:55 After the dial in, you can hear dogs barking in the distance, then a ring, then silence, then you hear Elyke Murdoch sobbing. I won't wage your emergency. This is Alec Murdoch at 41.47 Moselle Road. I think the police dispassed immediately. My wife and Tom to stop badly. During that call, it sounds like Ehrlich is moving around a lot, which could be for a number of reasons, including poor cell phone reception at the kennels.

Starting point is 00:22:36 I'll get up to it now. It's bad. The next part is important because it's the first time that Ehrlich told authorities he was not at Mozele. before this. Okay. Did you hear anything or did you come home and find them?

Starting point is 00:22:51 No, man. I've been gone. I just came back. Okay. And was anyone else supposed to be at your house? No, ma'am. Please hurry.

Starting point is 00:23:06 When the dispatcher asked whether he saw anyone in the vicinity of the home when he arrived, Elyke Murdoch said no. He was then ask whether he noticed anything out of place. And does anything look out of place?

Starting point is 00:23:21 Ma'am, I, not particularly, really, no, ma'am. At one point in the call, the dispatcher asked Ellick not to touch the bodies of his family members. Okay. I don't want you to touch them at all, okay? I don't know if you've already touched them, but I don't want you to touch them. I don't want you to touch them just in case they can get any kind of evidence, okay? But Ehrlich was quick to tell the dispatcher that he had already touched the bodies. I'd already touched them trying to see if they were breathing.

Starting point is 00:23:58 This is important because it sounds like Ehrlich is attempting to establish a reason for having blood on his clothes. And one more thing to note about the 911 call. When it was first released to the public, a lot of people noticed that Ehrlich seemed to be saying to himself, Paul, why do you have to get involved? Once you hear it, it's hard to hear anything but that. Maybe Paul wasn't supposed to be at your house. Maybe Paul wasn't supposed to be there. Maybe he wasn't the target? We'll be right back. According to police reports, deputies from the Colleton County Sheriff's Office arrived on scene

Starting point is 00:24:40 at 1025 p.m. and immediately began investigating the case as a double murder. Sled was contacted 21 minutes after Elic Murdoch called 911. The Colleton County Sheriff's Office asked SLED to take over the case due to the complexity of the investigation in the agency's multiple ties to the powerful Murdoch family. According to our sources, at least one of the weapons used in the double homicide belonged to the Murdoch family. But our sources have never said why they believe this to be the case or whether the other weapon also belonged to the Murdoch family. They also have never said whether either weapon was recovered. Ultimately, the weapons will play a key role in the investigation,

Starting point is 00:25:27 especially now that it appears that high-velocity impacts batter places ELEC so physically close to the actual shootings. If the weapons weren't recovered, though, the obvious question is going to be. where did they go and when? Maybe even more importantly is how do they get to wherever they went? For instance, if the weapons weren't recovered, did anyone help dispose of the weapons and was that person compensated for their assistance? More than two weeks after the murders, a public relations firm hired by the Murdoch family released a statement announcing a $100,000 reward to anyone providing tips that led to arrests by law enforcement. However, tips were required to have been submitted before September 30th, 2021 to qualify for that reward. When that deadline expired, a spokesperson who

Starting point is 00:26:22 represented the Murdoch family released the following statement to multiple news stations. We are disappointed that no one has stepped forward with any leads to solve the murder and claim the $100,000 reward. At this time, the family is a valid. evaluating what additional steps can be taken to solve the murders of Maggie and Paul. Patterns and bloodstains and other bodily fluid can help investigators determine what occurred during a violent death, particularly as it relates to the positioning of the victim and the suspect. To learn more about high-velocity impacts batter in the science, involved in analyzing bloodstained patterns or the patterns of other fluids and biological matters

Starting point is 00:27:16 at a crime scene, we spoke with Linda Rourke, who is a professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. Just a quick note about our conversation, we didn't ask Linda any questions specific to the details of the case, nor is she commenting on the Murdoch murder's investigation in any way? High-velocity impact, typically that's associated when there is the use of a high-velocity weapon. So if a high-velocity or a high-energy rifle is used, for instance, and especially if it's used at close range, this is physics.

Starting point is 00:27:56 Basically, greater force means greater, you know, the force that impacts, especially something like a human body. You're going to have a lot more damage. occurring and there are certain patterns that are more consistent with a high velocity impact and you may have seen this yourself in doing your research that you're more likely to get this combination of some larger blood stain pattern so larger droplets of blood and then in the background it'll look like there's a mist like a cloudy mist of blood in the background and this is more likely to occur when you have a situation where there is a high-velocity impact.

Starting point is 00:28:35 You would not get that. I can't think of a situation where, let's say, someone got stabbed, and, you know, no one has the quote-unquote power or the energy to create the kind of damage that you would see that would result in this combined pattern of larger blood droplets along with the mist of blood that comes about because of a high-energy impact. In the case of the Murdox, sources close to the investigation told us that Maggie Murdoch was shot multiple times with a high-powered rifle.

Starting point is 00:29:09 One of the bullets reportedly went through her back and the other allegedly went through the back of her head as she was lying on the ground face down. This is the first time multiple sources have confirmed details about Maggie Murdoch's wounds. According to his death certificate, Paul Murdoch was killed by two shotgun wounds, one to the chest and the other to the head. The gunshot wounds to both Maggie's and Paul's heads could be a reason sources told us on June 8th, 2021, that the two were killed execution style. Alec Murdoch's clothing that night was stained with blood, which is consistent with his account of touching the bodies. But it is the high velocity impacts batter on his shirt that places him at the scene and in proximity to one or both of the victims at the time of their shooting deaths. To differentiate high-velocity impact batter with a more passive transfer, let's say there's a scenario where, you know, you come home and there's a loved one on the ground, on the floor, and they seem to have, you know, been bleeding, and you're trying to provide, let's say, CPR mouth-to-mouth, a bleeding person, you know, there's going to be wet blood, especially, you know, if it's a recent situation, you can, you consider the possibilities where you come back and it's been a week and the person has been there

Starting point is 00:30:31 and things have dried up and you're not going to have transfer in the same way. So for a fairly fresh incident where there's wet blood on the victim, then touching the victim leaning against them, the wet blood from their clothing can easily transfer to your own clothing or to your hands or wherever you happen to be touching a bloodied area of that victim. That does not typically look the same as high-velocity impact batter. Now, if you were to ask me about possible scenarios, it would be really kind of stretching it if that victim on the ground happened to have some kind of high-velocity impact batter on them because someone else got shot, for instance, and then you went to kneel against them and the similar pattern got transferred onto your clothing. That is just like quite a convoluted scenario for that to happen. More likely, and especially if the victim has been shot or stabbed or bludgeoned and they're quite bloody,

Starting point is 00:31:36 the blood that is coming out of their wounds would likely obscure any previous pattern that was on their clothing. So you're going to be getting transfer patterns that are an indication of where the person who found the victim, touched the victim. What exactly the high velocity impacts batter might mean to the investigation will remain unclear until charges are filed against the person or persons determined to be responsible for killing Maggie and Paul Murdoch. Stay tuned. As we were writing this episode, we got some

Starting point is 00:32:22 big breaking news in the Bowen-Turner case. On Tuesday night, outrage from the victims and their families, as well as from the public, many of whom are our listeners and our readers, prompted prosecutors to revisit one of the three rape cases. Specifically, Solicitor Bill Weeks, David Miller's boss, is reportedly reconsidering his decision to dismiss the Dallas Dollar case. And that is a big deal. And this takes me to my final points of this podcast. On the Bowen-Turner case, Bridgland County's decision to withhold public records

Starting point is 00:33:01 in our social media presence. Corruption, incompetence, and dereliction of duty does not survive under scrutiny. Public dollars are used to employ and pay for a number of public services, but the quality of those services suffer when left to operate in a vacuum. It's up to the public,

Starting point is 00:33:20 to either expose malfeasance on their own or the public can choose to support media agencies that can do that for them. That is our plight as journalists to uncover the rot so that citizens can take action. We believe that our show in reporting held pressure solicitor Bill Weeks to desperately try to correct his assistant solicitor's mistakes

Starting point is 00:33:45 by canceling the effort to drop Bowen's rape charges. But that is not enough. In our opinion, it should have been handled properly in the first place. It seems like it's very hard for those in power to do the right thing from the beginning. Moving forward and with your help, we want to make it hard for these same people to do the wrong thing. We know putting pressure on public agencies like the Richland County O'Budsman's Office is the right course of action to expose whatever rot is waiting to be discovered in

Starting point is 00:34:20 Elek Murdoch's phone calls. Assistant County Attorney Chris Ziegler's decision to withhold those calls even though no temporary injunction has been granted is doing a disservice to the citizens of Richland County and the state of South Carolina. We're calling it Ziegler's decision. By the way, because he's the one that signed the letter saying that we wouldn't be getting the recordings. Ziegler is a public employee. He receives his paycheck. from public tax dollars. He works for the public. And we believe that is 100% in the public's best interest

Starting point is 00:35:00 for the recordings of Elek Murdoch's jailhouse phone calls to be released. There are many unnamed victims in this saga and now is not the time to be providing cover for anyone causing harm. Bill Weeks, David Miller, Brad Hutto, Dick Harputlian, the Attorney General, Sled, Chris Ziegler, and up until his arrest, Ehrlich Murdoch, are or were public officials who took a salary and power of some kind from the public and the people of South Carolina. That privilege to work for the public, to serve the public as politicians like to say when they're seeking both, opens him up to public scrutiny, whether it's from a podcast, the people of the state,

Starting point is 00:35:52 or even each other. That is how a representative republic works. This is what the Freedom of Information Act seeks to protect. I shouldn't have to say this, but there are a few people out there who do not get the distinction, or maybe they didn't learn this in school, that I am not a public employee, nor am I an elected official. And this podcast is not paid for. for by any public funds. When public money is in play, that means accountability is not expected. It's mandated. There are checks and balances, and the media is one of those checks. Chris Siegler and all of the other public employees accepted their position, knowing that they have a much different standard to live up to than those of us in the private sector.

Starting point is 00:36:44 On a similar note, our social media channels are not meant to be an open forum for people on the wrong side of history to troll. We want our pages to be a place of positivity and truth. Start your own channel if you want to troll people or post your negativity elsewhere. We are working hard to build a following of people who like us are sick and tired of government agencies and bad actors work. working against the interests of transparency, truth, and justice. Again, corruption and competence and dereliction of duty cannot survive in the sunlight. We will continue to call out people and agencies who are on the wrong side of history, and we hope that our listeners and followers will continue to heed our calls for action

Starting point is 00:37:38 until those in the public sector who try to dodge accountability from their boss, citizens are run out of office, the town, the county, or the state that they have failed to serve. An informed public means a safer, healthier, and better community. Thank you for listening and stay tuned to the Murdoch Martyrs podcast for the latest updates in this case. It's crazy that we came out with this episode in April of 2022 months before Alex was actually indicted. And I remember when we published this episode thinking it's like any day now. And now I've completely stopped saying that with all cases. Like everything that I think is going to take a week is going to take six months.

Starting point is 00:38:39 You know what I mean? But I'm just so glad looking back on this episode that we actually did publish this information and keep the pressure up and let everybody know that Alex wasn't just a psychotic thief stealing from his client. And there was also evidence against him in the murders. And as I say, that is a big deal. That is a big deal. And I think this is where sort of the idea of big Creighton energy started to come into play, is that we wanted to encourage, we knew that there needed to be a bigger show of power

Starting point is 00:39:20 coming from the Attorney General's office, and we knew that Creighton was capable of it. And we just wanted to sort of encourage this superhero. row rally cry, which is what it actually ended up being during the trial with people saying BCE and even his dad wearing a shirt that said BCE, which is adorable. But yeah, it was the, Creighton, I think really truly, I don't know if he listened to our podcasts, I think he would say no, but we were, and we still do that. We write our episodes with the idea that we will spark some sort of motivation, not motivation, inspiration inspiration yeah like you can be a hero here like this we need a

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Murdaugh Murders Podcast - MMP Remastered #42 - Who Killed Maggie And Paul? Part Three

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