Murdaugh Murders Podcast - TSP #101 - Why We Still Have Questions About JP Miller’s Girlfriend’s Husband’s Death + What A Lawyer In The Scott Spivey Case Is Whining About

Episode Date: May 29, 2025

Investigative journalists Mandy Matney and Liz Farrell are back and we begin today’s episode revisiting (01:02) how Scott Spivey was shot to death in his vehicle by Weldon Boyd and Bradley Williams in September 2023.  A significant development comes in the form of a "legal filing", an "absurd 9-page motion to stay" by Bradley Williams' attorney, Robert E. Lee… yup, that’s the name he prefers… We’ll also share a disturbing, but pertinent call between Weldon and his granny discussing the incident.  Then (23:00) we share updates on the 'updated' sentence of suspended Hilton Head Island attorney Peter Strauss, the as-yet-unscheduled sentencing for Russell Laffitte, Michael Colucci’s retrial scheduled for June 16th and Lee Gilley’s Houston status hearing on June 4th for his murder trial.   As our primary focus, (25:06) Mandy and Liz critically examine the 2025 Horry County Police investigation into the 2021 death of Chris Skinner, husband of JP Miller's alleged mistress, highlighting discrepancies between the official ruling of accidental death and video evidence suggesting something else. We’ll share police interviews with Chris Skinner's friends, noting the friend's belief the death was a suicide possibly influenced by JP Miller, and questioning the wife's inconsistent statements and demeanor.  Ultimately, we are advocating for truth and justice in all these cases.  Lots to cover, so let's dive in... 🥽🦈 Thank you to the Hampton County Building & Planning Department and Hampton County Sheriff Anthony Russell for helping us with the July 12th “Walking with Stephen” Event 💚 Walk Registration is Live Soon! Episode References SC v. Michael Colucci (2018) on Court TV Sunlight On Scott Spivey Video Recap The Colucci Case Spotify Playlist Sunlight on Scott Spivey Spotify Playlist Christa Bauer Gilley Case Spotify Playlist Horry County Officer Writes "ACT LIKE A VICTIM - CAMERA" On Note To Homicide Suspects 🎞️ Premium Resources ⁠Bradley Williams’ Motion to Stay - May 20, 2025⁠ 📄 ⁠Scott Spivey’s Wrongful Death Complaint - June 3, 2024⁠ 📄 ⁠Peter Strauss’ Amended Federal Judgment - Filed May 22, 2025⁠ 📄 Michael Colucci’s ⁠Arrest Warrant⁠ & ⁠Grand Jury Indictment⁠ Documents 📄 ⁠Jane Doe #1⁠ & ⁠Jane Doe #2⁠’s Motion for Default Judgment - May 28, 2025 📄 ⁠Horry County Coroner’s Report in Chris Skinner’s Death⁠ 📄 Referenced Episodes: TSP 76, 84, 93, & 97 🎧 Stay Tuned, Stay Pesky and Stay in the Sunlight...☀️ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Premium Members ⁠⁠⁠⁠also get access to ad-free listening, searchable case files, written articles with documents, case photos, episode videos and exclusive live experiences with our hosts on ⁠⁠⁠⁠lunasharkmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ all in one place. ⁠⁠⁠⁠CLICK HERE⁠⁠⁠⁠ to learn more: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BdUtOE⁠⁠⁠⁠. ⁠⁠⁠⁠Check out our LUNASHARK Merch 👕⁠⁠⁠⁠ What We're Buying... Chewy - ⁠⁠⁠⁠chewy.com/mandy⁠⁠⁠⁠ - Chewy has everything you need to keep your pet happy and healthy. Save $20 on your first order and get free shipping at ⁠⁠⁠⁠chewy.com/mandy⁠⁠⁠⁠ or visit our storefront here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.shop.anchor.store/chewy/@trusunlightpod⁠⁠⁠⁠ Here's a link to some of our favorite things: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4cJ0eVn⁠⁠⁠⁠ *** ALERT: If you ever notice audio errors in the pod, email ⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠ and we'll send fun merch to the first listener that finds something that needs to be adjusted! *** Thank you to Lori M. for an adjustment near 27:55 :) For current & accurate updates: ⁠⁠⁠⁠bsky.app/profile/mandy-matney.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠bsky.app/profile/elizfarrell.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠TrueSunlight.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠facebook.com/TrueSunlightPodcast/⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram.com/TrueSunlightPod⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter.com/mandymatney⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter.com/elizfarrell⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠youtube.com/@LunaSharkMedia⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠tiktok.com/@lunasharkmedia Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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There were a few updates in the Peter Strauss, Colucci, JP Miller, and Christa Bauer Gilly cases, but I wanna start with the Spivey case. As a reminder, in September 2023, Scott Spivey was shot to death in his vehicle by Weldon Boyd and Bradley Williams following a road rage incident. The sketchy Horry County Police investigation

claimed that the shooting was in self-defense, even after Boyd admitted to following Spivey for miles. The case has quickly grown into a massive public safety issue even after Boyd admitted to following Spivey for miles. The case has quickly grown into a massive public safety issue in South Carolina, as Sled, the Attorney General's office, and the governors in action in the case has sent a strong message that South Carolina is not a safe place for visitors.

Because apparently our leaders are cool with raging country boys following people for 9 miles and shooting them to death in the name of Stand Your Ground. I'll say this again for the listeners, Horry County is not a safe place to visit. If you want to go somewhere where you feel protected by law enforcement, go somewhere else. And I know that message will hurt businesses in Horry County, but my gosh, something has to give for this place to create change. The leaders have shown us that they don't care about the truths or about justice, so we have to make them care by affecting their bottom line.

Now, Wal the Scott's Bybee case is full of gut-wrenching truths about corruption in our justice system. It has also renewed my hope for humanity, seeing all the people from all over the world posting about this case, putting pressure on the South Carolina Attorney General's office and the Governor's office, and absolutely dragging Horry County Police in a way that they have never seen, but severely deserve. While we were on break, I kept my eye on social media and the Justice for Scott Army has not let up one bit. Nearly every post from Horry County Police, Alan Wilson, and Governor McMaster

was met with comments reminding South Carolina leaders that the Scott Spivey case isn't just going to go away. And phew, there are a lot of cold comments about Weldon. None of these agencies have budged yet, but a gift came to us in the form of a legal filing last Tuesday that reminded us that we are absolutely on the right track here. So on Tuesday, May 20th, Bradley Williams' attorney filed an absurd nine-page motion to stay, asking for a delay in the case and essentially whining about all the heat poor, poor Bradley is facing on social media.

Before I get into the nitty-gritty details of that whiny motion, we have to talk about the name of Bradley's attorney, Robert E. Lee. Now I know you're going to say Mandy. He can't help what his mother named him. This is the South. But this man, who looks like a cross between Colonel Sanders and the actual Robert E. Lee, is clearly proud of his name, middle initial and all. He signs emails and legal filings as just that, Robert E. Lee, his law firm, whose Facebook page is whiter than a basket of biscuits, with zero

people of color included that we can find, is named the Robert E. Lee Law Firm. Now, one could easily draw conclusions about what Robert E. Lee really stands for. And let's be real here, I feel like he wants that. Otherwise, at least he would drop the E in his name, right? Anyway, Robert E. Lee filed a motion last Tuesday that will one day be a part of my art collection called The Good Ol' Boys Bitching About Us, and this motion was almost as silly as the time Russell Lafitte's attorney complained about me calling Elick Murdoch's banker buddy a doofus. While Robert E. Lee's motion is now moot, for reasons we'll talk about in a minute, this motion to delay the case until the Sled

investigation is resolved was full of interesting tidbits that tell me that Team Weldon and Team Bradley are feeling the heat, clinging to a false narrative and not understanding the truth of the matter in this case. And they are really not understanding why the public has every right to care about it. So, first of all, unsurprisingly, Robert E. Lee does not have his facts straight. He plainly states that Scott Spivey initiated the exchange of gunfire in which he was killed. And there is absolutely no evidence to back that up. In fact, evidence points to the contrary. He also said that Scott Spivey was under the influence of alcohol and other intoxicating drugs at the contrary. He also said that Scott's PIVy was under the influence of alcohol

and other intoxicating drugs at the time. But, as Scott's amazing sister brilliantly pointed out, Scott's toxicology was done days after his death, and his blood alcohol level was not at all reliable. And it didn't show other intoxicating drugs in his system. The only evidence we can find to trace that rumor is all from Weldon Boyd and his deputy police chief buddy, Brandon Strickland, in their romantic phone calls, where they essentially both said that they hoped

that there were drugs in Scott's system, and Strickland basically said that he urged for a toxicology report on Scott Spivey just to help Weldon's case. Now, if the truth was on your side and all you wanted was a fair case, then why rely on false information? Because remember, good old boys muddied the water

to make it look deep. And the Robert E. Lee types of the world are apparently not used to sunlight exposing their dirt. So here we are shining the light and showing you just how messy these good old boys are. In the motion, Robert E. Lee accuses Jennifer Spivey of conspiring with Mark Tinsley to persuade the public to favor Scott Spivey in this case,

which is absurd. But let me have David read two of my favorite paragraphs. To attain a collateral advantage, plaintiff and her attorneys have widely circulated the documents obtained in this case, to perpetuate a conspiracy and engage in a concerted effort to intimidate and harass law enforcement and the South Carolina Attorney General to reconsider the prior determination that this defendant and Boyd are immune from prosecution.

As a direct result of the actions of the plaintiff and her attorneys, an investigation of misconduct committed by law enforcement officers has been initiated. It is being conducted by Sled and is pending. It is uncertain at this time whether additional criminal investigations will be initiated concerning this defendant and Boyd based upon the false narratives asserted

and perpetuated by the plaintiff and her attorneys. The law enforcement officers currently under investigation by Sled are among the witnesses necessary to this defendant's and Boyd's civil case. Okay, okay. I gotta take some deep breaths here to respond without screaming or laughing hysterically because what in the Robert E. Lee is he trying to say here? As y'all know, Jennifer Spivey, an attorney Mark Tinsley filed a lawsuit June 3rd, 2024

after the attorney general's office, Sled and Horry County police gave the Spivey family no other choice. Jennifer knew there were major pieces of the investigation that were missing and no one would give her those public records that she was entitled to. So Jennifer did what she had to do and she filed a lawsuit to get those public records that law enforcement did not want her or the

public to see. Those files were full of issues, far bigger than this case, and absolutely needed to be exposed to the taxpayers of Horry County and of South Carolina, whose hard earned dollars go to these police officers. A corrupt police officer is absolutely a public issue. And of course, Jennifer Spivey shared those files with the public because she had no other choice. Sharing those files was not an act of conspired vengeance

against the police as Robert E. Lee wants the public to think it was merely a warning shot from Jennifer showing all of Horry County, this could happen to you too. Public records of public interest should be public. Now, Robert E. Lee had to mention that two officers involved in this investigation have lost their jobs since those files were widely circulated. And let's be real here, they lost their jobs

over some of the most egregiously corrupt conduct we have ever witnessed from a police officer in an investigation. From old deputy chief Strickland saying that he was working in the shadows to send a good old boy to the scene and cover for Weldon to old officer Damian Vescovich showing Weldon a piece of paper that literally said,

act like a victim, camera, while being interviewed on camera. This case is bad, y'all. It's even worse now, looking at it again with fresh eyes. In the May 20th filing, Robert E. Lee is arguing point blank that they need those officers who are under investigation for being hella corrupt as a part of their defense. Which is funny. Ah yes, I'm sure an Horry County jury is definitely going to believe those cops who are no longer cops

because of what they did in this case. But go off, Robert E. Lee. Here is David, again, with Robert E. Lee's own words. It would be patently prejudicial and unfair for this defendant and Boyd to be required to advance this case while under threat of further investigation at the behest of plaintiff and her attorneys. The unfairness is compounded by the likely inability of this defendant and Boyd to call witnesses to testify who are under investigation by Sled for alleged misconduct concerning the investigation

into the incidents that give rise to this case. Of more compelling import, several of the defendants and Boyd's witnesses have been harassed and intimidated by individuals who are purporting to advance false narratives initiated by the plaintiffs and her attorneys. Plaintiff and her counsel have engaged multiple network and social media outlets and disseminated pre-trial information about this case to launch a social media Smear campaign in order to inflict severe emotional distress upon this defendant and Boyd in an attempt Indeed a demand for law enforcement and the South Carolina Attorney General

to reopen a criminal investigation into the actions of this defendant and Boyd Prejudicial and unfair like a homicide investigation directed by a deputy police chief who Admittedly working in the shadows on behalf of the suspect? Like a police department hiding public records that expose their lies? Like a deputy showing a homicide suspect a note to act like a victim while he's being

interviewed? All of that is prejudicial and unfair, Robert E. Lee. And who is being harassed, exactly? If the truth is on the witnesses' side, there should be nothing to hide, right? I also have to say, I've read hundreds of social media comments about the Spivey case. Seriously, it was my favorite pastime while on break. And y'all, they kept it clean. I never saw any threats.

I never saw anyone directly telling anyone to lie. I just saw hundreds of people furious for the Spivey family and simply asking for the case to get the proper investigation they deserve." Ninety-nine percent of the online comments that I have seen have been directed at public figures, not at individuals. And what is a social media outlet, Robert E. Lee? Is that a good old boy dig, like that time that other attorney called us viral podcasters? And here's the thing, in an impressive stretch

to reach for any fragment of justification that could possibly help his client. Robert E. Lee is arguing that Mark Tinsley has done exactly what Mark's clients, the Beach family, accused Greg Parker of doing in the boat crash case. And that's the 2019 case that was filed in the aftermath of Mallory Beach's death in the boat crash caused by Paul Murdoch. Greg Parker is the owner of Parker's gas station and kitchen, and he is currently being sued by the Beach family in a civil conspiracy case.

Now, Robert E. Lee actually had the audacity to bring up the word knife fighter, trying to make a connection between that word, which, as our listeners of Murdoch Murders podcast would know, Mark used in his filings against Greg Parker. Robert E. Lee seems to be suggesting that this is Mark's particular area of expertise, not as an attorney, but as a knife fighter? This is beyond dumb. First, the term knife fighter was used to describe South Carolina political operative Wes Donahue,

whom Parker's team had hired to help in the boat crash case. That word came off of Wes Donahue's website, where he had described himself as a political or social media knife fighter. We're not exactly sure what Donahue thinks that means about his skills, but we consider social media and political knife fighters to be paid operatives who use public accounts on social media to manufacture and spread a particular sentiment or message that is meant to take down an opponent and not a term for people

who use their real names, giving their real opinions on real information that is collected on the behalf of and owned by the public. So maybe Mr. Lee should take a nice oxygen-filled CPAP machine nap before writing his next motion because his brain is breathing stale air. As far as other updates in the case, first, the State Supreme Court has assigned a judge to the case. For those of you who followed our coverage of the Murdoch cases, you'll remember that

judges aren't generally assigned to cases in South Carolina unless the Supreme Court deems them complex enough to warrant an assigned judge. The wrongful death case against the two men who killed Scott Spivey, that's Weldon Boyd and Bradley Williams, is obviously very complex. But also there was a sudden conflict of interest that popped up that I will tell you more about in a second. The judge assigned to the Spivey case is Judge Eugene Bubba Griffith. Yes, I said Bubba.

So Judge Bubba is going to be the one to decide whether the Stand Your Ground immunity applies to what Weldon and Bradley did that day in September 2023 when they gunned down 33-year-old Scott Spivey and claimed self-defense. Despite so much evidence to the contrary and despite, you know, hashtag act like a victim, the two-day motions hearing, including the immunity hearing that had been scheduled for the week of June 9th, is no longer happening. And that's in part because of this new judge assignment. The previous judge who was set to hear arguments was Judge Alex Hyman.

In what to us looks like typical good ol' boy defense lawyer trickery, Bradley Williams, who along with Weldon had moved to have the immunity hearing postponed until they knew whether the criminal case against them was being reopened, and who surely got the feeling that Judge Hyman wasn't going to be amenable to that, hired one of Judge Hyman's friends and added him to their defense team. Not only did that present an immediate appearance of a conflict, there were other bonuses for Bradley. The new attorney, Morgan Martin, has experience with Stand Your Ground cases and has health issues that prevented him from being able to attend an immunity

hearing on June 9th. So there you are. There's your good old boy lesson for the day. If you have money and if you're being sued in South Carolina, all you have to do is tag in the right attorney at the right time to get what you want. We don't want to leave you hanging when it comes to Weldon Boyd's phone calls, so here's something to tide you over until next week. Here is Weldon talking to his granny, Vernon Boyd, on September 12, 2023, three days after he shot and killed Scott Spivey. 3 days after he shot and killed Scott Spivey. Well, he was trying hard to kill us. So we don't know what him to do that.

And you know, I don't know that his parents know. Maybe he was a problem person. I just don't know. But it's done. It's over with, it's sad, but there's a set of parents out there grieving because their son did something stupid. That's the only thing I have any kind of emotion towards at this point is, you know, it sucks for his parents, but he made a choice

and put me in a position where I had to make a choice. Well, we just don't know. Somebody could, I could be going somewhere and somebody could pull up beside me at the crazy and start shooting at me. Well, that's why I gave you guns. But I don't have it in the car. Well, you need to have a gun on you at all times.

Well, well, then, I don't have, this car doesn't have a place for me to lock up a gun, a foot of gun. I'd have to, if I, if I got out of my car, I'd have to put it in my pocketbook. I can't take it in my pocketbook. my car I'd have to put it in my pocketbook. I can't take it in my pocketbook. I can't go in places with my gun on me and if I left it in the car I'd be afraid somebody would steal it. Why can you not go in places with a gun on you? Cause I don't have a permit. Who cares? Who's going to arrest a grandmother? Carry a gun. Oh I might I might take it now and somebody starts pointing at me I'll just point it at them. Well, don't point it unless you're gonna pull the trigger. Yeah, that's what that guy did. He rode down the highway aiming a gun at all these different people. And look where that got him. Someone shot his ass.

Well, he ran you off the road though. He ran other people off the road. Ran other people off the road. Ran me off the road while I was pulling a trailer at 60 miles an hour into a ditch almost. He was just wow. Well, now he's dead, so. Yeah. Watch what you put on Facebook, okay? I am, well just um. Evan, well, just watch what you put on Facebook about that, about Jordan, about anything,

cause people just go crazy with stuff like that. Just don't, don't let your business be out there. Don't air your wash, okay? Okay. Remember, now I'm your granny. I'm talking to you. You listen to me. Well, touch base with Paul and let him know

they finished the vehicle, going through all the vehicles today. Oh, which vehicles? His truck and my truck. Oh. And that he was shooting a 45 and that he had discharged all his ammo and was in the process of reloading. And we had shot him multiple times. And then when he showed his head, I shot him in the face and that's what ended it. And we'll be right back.

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Head Island attorney Peter Strauss, who is a captive insurance and overseas tax shelter expert who pleaded guilty in November 2023 to one federal count of aiding and abetting removal of property to prevent seizure in connection with a multimillion dollar transfer he made in January, 2019 on behalf of a client whose assets were under federal seizure at the time. The client was Jeff Karpoff, who is currently serving time in federal prison

for a billion dollar Ponzi scheme. Peter Strauss' name is also associated with the investigation into where Elick Murdoch might have hidden millions of dollars that he had stolen from clients. Peter hasn't been charged with any crimes related to Elick Murdoch's schemes, nor have any public accusations been made against him

by law enforcement. That said, if there were a trophy for the man who kicked and screamed and schemed the loudest to get out of criminal consequences, Peter Strauss would have been locked in an old lady slap battle with Russell Lafitte for it. And in the end, Peter would get that trophy because here we are, still talking about his sentencing 18 months after he pleaded guilty. In February, Judge Richard Gergel sentenced Peter to nine months in prison.

But Peter, who came to court wearing his post-guilty plea metaphorical, good dad and great community member mask that made the people who know him well roll their eyes, wind his way into delaying his report date. Why? Because apparently he was volunteering at a private school on Hilton Head. It's a school owned and operated by a former good old girl, Hilton Head Island principal, who is locally famous for two things. Being forced to resign after an after hours in school extramarital affair

with an on duty Beaufort County Sheriff's Office deputy that initially got swept under the rug by the then school superintendent who was super shady and having a blindly loyal fan club of wealthy Hilton Head Island parents. Those are the two things she's known for. Shocking that Peter would be a volunteer teacher for her and shocking that Peter would be a volunteer at a private school that isn't subject to FOIA's inquiring about the reality of his quote, volunteer time. Anyway, Peter made a weepy G. Willikers plea to the court asking for his report date to

prison to come after his students graduated. And here we are. It is graduation season. And guess what? Peter's sentence of nine months is essentially an ice cube that is being held in a giant's warm hand, just melting away as the days go by because Peter's delay tactic worked. On May 20th, Judge Gergel ordered Peter to serve eight months, starting June 15th at a federal prison camp. Guys, the website actually says camp about an

hour from Hilton Head to facilitate family visits because guess what? On the day of his son's high school graduation, Peter announced that his second wife is pregnant with his fifth child. So yeah, just another good old boy treating his criminal sentence like it's a business deal. Let's all just hope that Russell Lafitte is too busy charging his ankle monitor to be listening to today's episode because we don't need him getting any ideas. Speaking of, he pleaded guilty to six federal counts in April and we're still waiting on a date for his sentencing hearing. On Wednesday, South Carolina state prosecutors were in court for a motions hearing in the Michael Calucci

case, which is going to trial June 16 in Berkeley County. Michael is accused of strangling his wife, Sarah Lynn Moore Calucci, to death in 2015. Michael is the stepson of Ivo Calucci, who was a wealthy and well-known jeweler in the Charleston area. At the time of Sarah Lynn's death, Michael seemed to consider himself a big player in the community and, as such, had a lot of political connections, including with the police. The same police that investigated Sarah Lynn's death and immediately took Michael's word

that Sarah Lynn had killed herself with a garden hose, on a chain-link fence, outside their jewelry warehouse, 20 feet from where Michael, who appeared to have scratches and other marks on his face and arms, was sitting in their car facing her and waiting for her to use the bathroom. Sarah Lynn appeared to have been dragged on some rocks and had markings around her neck that seemed more indicative of her being strangled with a thin cord from behind, according to testimony during Michael's first trial in 2018. That trial ended with a hung jury because the prosecution, in our opinions, showed up unprepared.

That said, we're going to be following this trial closely and we'll update you next week on what went down at the motions hearing this week. The first trial was full of South Carolina's customary courtroom drama, and it's available on Court TV's website to watch in full. Speaking of court happenings, there's a status conference coming up in the Krista Bauer case in Houston, Texas next week on June 4.

Lee Gilley is accused of killing Krista, his wife, and their unborn child while their two young kids were home with them. According to reports, Lee, like Michael Colucci, wife and their unborn child while their two young kids were home with them. According to reports, Lee, like Michael Calucci, told police that his wife had killed herself. Turns out no, she did not. Like Sarah Lynn Calucci, she died by strangulation, according to reports. Lee faces capital murder charges and like all the other good old boys we cover, he seems

to believe he can purchase his way out of consequence. Lee was indicted on a capital murder charge in April. He's represented in part by Dick DeGuerin, one of the most influential and well-known criminal defense attorneys in Texas. If you followed the Robert Durst case or know who David Koresh is, you might recognize Dick's name. He represented them both. Dick's name. He represented them both. Okay, today we are talking about churchy business bro, J.P. Miller, who probably fell on his knees and kissed the earth the moment the name Weldon Boyd first appeared on True Sunlight. Not so fast, J.P. We are not done with you, girl. First, in typical fashion, J.P.'s felonious father, the so-called Reverend Wayne Miller,

has yet to respond to the two lawsuits filed against him, JP, and their churchy businesses by Jane Doe One and Jane Doe Two. The lawsuits accuse JP and his father of using their churches and schools as a playground for sexual, physical, and spiritual abuse. And JP stands accused of raping a 15-year-old girl and sexually assaulting a 14-year-old. Wayne appears to be doing what Wayne has done in the past when faced with potential consequences for his ungodly actions, and that is to hide and claim to be broke.

So the Jane Doe's, who are represented by attorneys Randy Hood and Mark Tensley, asked the court for a default judgment against Wayne, and on Wednesday afternoon they were granted this request for both cases. They will now have to provide evidence to the court for the judge to determine damages that will be paid by both Wayne and his churchy businesses. Oopsie Wayne, time to rethink that arrogant strategy of yours, huh? A hearing is expected to be held on June 23rd for this presentation of evidence and to hear

arguments in the counterclaims that have been filed by JP and both Jane Doe's. Alright, so as soon as we were done finishing up episode 100 before our break, we finally received our FOIA request back for the reopened and quickly reclosed investigation into Chris Skinner's death from the Myrtle Beach Police Department. So we want to share parts of that with you today because it is incredibly annoying, but also fascinating. And I say fascinating because it truly boggles our minds how investigators and even the media and people on social media seem to be missing the point of taking another look at the Skinner case.

We will get to that. For our newest listeners, let's get you caught up with a quick recap. For more on the Chris Skinner case, listen to episodes 76, 84, and 93. For now, here is what you need to know. The Chris Skinner story is an important part of the Micah Miller case. Or, as we refer to it, the Micah Francis case. Because when Micah Miller died by gunshot in April 2024, she was separated from her husband. Churchie Business Bro and pastor J.P. Miller, a man who she accused of grooming her from the age

of 15 and mentally, spiritually, physically, and medically abusing her from the time their marriage began in 2017. In April 2024, Micah had not only filed court documents to start the divorce process, she was also asking the court to reinstate her maiden name. So since we are the judges of the True Sunlight courtroom, we did that. And that is why we will call it the Micah Francis case, and we're pretty sure it bothers JPM Miller that we strip Micah of his last name. So a win-win on that. In May 2024, after Micah's mysterious death which was ruled a suicide despite all the red flags, J.P. Miller's previous ex-wife filed for emergency custody of two of the

four children she shares with J.P. As part of that filing, she included an explosive affidavit in which she testified that, among other nefarious things, JP was carrying on an affair with a woman and a member of JP's church named Susie Skinner in 2021 while married to Mika, which, you know, stood out to all of us following this case because a woman named Susie Skinner seemed to be glued to JP's side in the aftermath of Micah's death and was rumored and later confirmed to be JP's girlfriend at the time.

According to the affidavit, Susie and JP were using their children's involvement in soccer as a conduit to their relationship. JP has denied any romantic relationship with Susie before Micah's death. According to the affidavit, in September, 2021, Susie's husband, Chris Skinner, ended up dead two weeks after he is believed

to have warned JP to stay away from his wife and family. JP's ex-wife wrote in her affidavit, "'It is chilling to know that the spouses "'of both Susie and JP are now dead from tragic events. She's right about that. It is chilling. Because not only were Chris's and Micah's bodies both found in water, neither death appears

to have been investigated that much beyond law enforcement immediately taking the word of Susie and JP respectively respectively in terms of the underlying causes of Chris' and Micah's deaths. Now, Chris was 41 years old at the time of his death and had been married to Susie for 17 years. They met because Chris was a quadriplegic and Susie was his physical therapist. The two had two children who were around 14 years old in 2021 at the time of their dad's death.

Chris and his $75,000 electric wheelchair were found at the bottom of their community pool on September 9, 2021. His death was ruled an accident, according to documents from the Horry County Coroner's Office. No civil action has ever been filed by Chris' estate against the Homeowners Association or the wheelchair manufacturer. When Micah's death came under scrutiny last year, we began receiving messages from Myrtle Beach residents who told us to look into Chris's death as well. Because what are the odds, right? So we did. We got the case file and went through every surveillance video, police video, and all the reports several times. When we watched the surveillance footage, it seemed clear to us that Chris had taken

his own life. Behind the scenes, we brought this to the attention of the coroner's office, and publicly we called for a coroner's inquiry into Chris' death, a reexamining of the facts surrounding his death, because we did not believe that Chris died accidentally. And that's very important. If the cause of Chris's death was suicide, then this both broadens and narrows the question of Micah's death, which again was ruled to be a suicide.

Suzie's account of Chris's cause of death was not consistent with the surveillance footage where Chris paused at the pool's edge before moving the joystick on his wheelchair forward. Nor was the description consistent with other versions of the story about how Chris died that day. For instance, in the coroner's report, which seems to have relied substantially on a conversation with a Myrtle Beach Police Department detective, Chris drowned after the wheel of his wheelchair got caught on the edge of the pool. According to the story Susie was sharing with friends, family, and church members, Chris's wheelchair malfunctioned,

causing him to be propelled into the pool. In 2025, that seemed to turn into the story that Chris fell asleep and got confused, and that's how he ended up in the pool. Back in 2021, Susie told police that Chris was not suicidal at the time. But the video shows Chris with his hand on the joystick propelling himself into the pool.

On top of that, members of his family say he had been suicidal for a while, even asking his father to shoot him, according to reports. In the lead up to his death, Chris had expressed hatred and disdain for JP Miller and Solid Rock Church, had allegedly told JP to stay away from his family, and had told people in his life that Suzie was pulling away from him,

according to police reports. People in his life told police this past year that Chris hadn't been showered for at least a year, and he was seen wearing the same clothes for a week at a time and appeared to own just one pair of pants shortly before his death. His pants, according to police reports, were torn, stained, and had a broken zipper. Chris would be home alone, and there were times when he would have no way to remove a too-hot sweatshirt or retrieve food or water, according to witness reports.

Back to the point, there are plenty of people who don't believe that Micah took her own life. But if she did, and if Chris did, then the question becomes this. Were they driven to it through systematic gaslighting, the power of suggestion, through spiritual brainwashing, by being told repeatedly that their bodies would be made whole in the afterlife, or by neglect and abuse consciously or unconsciously meant to weaken their resolves. These are just questions and not accusations, by the way,

but they are logical ones that should be asked if it is determined that Chris did in fact die by suicide. One of the major allegations against JP Miller is that he had successfully manipulated Micah into believing she was mentally ill and doomed to a life of being institutionalized. So it would seem that if the husband of JP's alleged mistress at the time killed himself rather than died after accidentally falling into the pool. And if this death by suicide happened in proximity to some sort of ultimatum given to JP about staying

away from his wife and kids. It would seem like something the FBI would need to know as they continue their investigation into JP's alleged role into Micah's alleged suicide. Right? Was something more going on here? It's that simple. If Chris died by suicide, then that's what his death certificate should say. We called on the coroner's office to watch the surveillance video and determine whether what they were seeing still led them to believe Chris's death was an accident. In no way were we ever suggesting that Chris had been murdered. And in no way were we asking the Myrtle Beach Police Department to reopen the case to examine

whether there was foul play. Again, this should have been easy. If Chris died by suicide, then it raises questions about JP's role in Chris's life in the weeks leading up to his death, just like with Micah. But somehow investigators kept missing that point. At times, the investigator seemed more concerned about why now? Why are people asking them to look at this case now? And they missed key questions, especially when it came to their interview with Suzy.

In the FOIA we got back a few weeks ago, there were eight recordings of interviews that Myrtle Beach Police and Horry County Deputy Coroner Tamara Willard conducted together. The recordings are redacted, sometimes heavily, and sometimes in a way that makes it almost sound like the person speaking is swearing up a storm.

The police told us that all the redactions were to remove personal identifying information referenced in the interviews, such as people's names. All references to Chris, Suzie, JP, and others are covered over by loud bleeps. Going into these interviews, we knew that some people in Chris's life were told his death was an accident, and others were told it was a suicide. Chris's sister says that Susie told her Chris had killed himself but warned her not to tell anyone this. Susie's reason? To protect their kids. Which is very understandable but also doesn't change facts. And shouldn't change facts. But sometimes facts get in the way of other things, like potential insurance payouts.

More on that in a second. According to one of the interviews at the time of Chris's death, JP told a close associate of his that Chris had killed himself and that there was a suicide note. This close associate who was also told by JP, who was married to Mike at the time, remember,

that Suzy was JP's best friend. There's police video showing JP arriving at the scene of Chris's death with Micah in tow, along with video showing Suzy doing some sort of demonstrative, dramatic prayer march as she was being led by investigators and neighbors from her home to the pool, where EMTs were trying to resuscitate Chris. According to a police report from the initial investigation, Suzie told police

that Chris had a do-not-resuscitate order, but after they waited for her with Chris in the ambulance, Suzie never produced that paperwork for them. From the jump, it seemed like Myrtle Beach police went into this case a little sideways and unprepared. In a recording labeled interview number one by police, the investigator did not seem to have all his ducks in a row. This could have been an interviewing technique where he pretended to know nothing in an effort to get more information

from the person he was talking with, or it could have been that he truly didn't know. But listen to this. In terms of the affidavit, would that be in her maiden name or her married name? Do you know? Y'all, he was referring to the affidavit from JP's ex-wife from May, 2024.

The one that is like the OG source in terms of the why of why everyone wanted Chris's case to get another look. It is the literal first square on the game board for this. And he didn't know about it? That is not a great start. Again, maybe he was faking his lack of knowledge here, but that question seemed like it was only just then he was learning about this affidavit. And if that's the case, what? This is a reopening of a death investigation where a man's death is on camera and what's on camera does not seem to match what's in the

reports or the official cause of death. And it's a death that is linked to another death with the same players. How is anyone going into this investigation without reading that affidavit and what allegedly happened around Chris' death? Come on. More on Chris Skinner's death after a quick break. We'll be right back. Miller Lite The light beer brewed for people who love the taste of beer and the perfect pairing for your game time.

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with a friend of Chris's who had known Chris before and during his marriage to Suzy. We've taken out identifying details and we have changed his voice slightly. But here is what he had to say. "...God was just, he had the best attitude and the best outlook on life of almost anybody I know, even including, I mean, despite being wheelchair balanced and being able to do everything that he'd been through, had an incredible optimism and energy.

He always had the magnetic personality. When Micah's story came out last year, Chris's friend said he remembered JP Miller from Chris's celebration of life service back in 2021. And he also remembered some things that had crossed his mind at the time. Everything that's come out, He also remembered some things that had crossed his mind at the time. up beneath the surface that I didn't realize that now that I realized it, it's just made me look at things in a different light.

For instance, in the year or so leading up to Chris's death, Chris did seem different, the friend said. He was not himself. I kind of made some notes knowing I was going to talk to you guys. But there's things that in, you know, knowing everything now, he definitely was losing his love for life and seemed more depressed. And I knew that he was struggling. I knew that he told me that the same to him. She wasn't caring for him as much as she used to.

He felt like he was a burden. Because of this, Chris's friend thought Chris might have killed himself. Chris's friend said that he was also told that it was a suicide, but that someone, and the name is bleeped out, did not want the kids to know. So he was persuaded to fall in line and even went so far as to reassure,, the name is redacted but presumably Suzy

that he didn't believe Chris would have ever killed himself. And from that point, he himself believed it to be an accidental death. And then there was a story that I think came out that I think really even that I believed until recently was that there was some type of you know, malfunction with the wheelchair. Chris's friend also told police that he and Chris used to chat over Facebook Messenger, but that when he went to look up the last time they had spoken on Facebook, all the messages were gone because someone had deleted Chris's account. The two also spoke over the phone regularly.

He shared with me that he was struggling. You can tell in his voice that he was struggling. So, 2021, I would say the last like six months of his life and stuff, he just, he seemed, you know, I think I even remember seeing some things on Facebook, but he just seemed like he was struggling. And one of the things that I wrote down to tell you guys was he did tell me that he felt like a burden

and he felt like a bitch. Wasn't the same to him. that he felt like a burden and he felt like a ****. Wasn't the same damn. He also told me that he's been living his whole life with this hope that he would walk again. Was telling him that he had to accept the fact that he would never walk again. And, I don't know, he just, he seemed for like,

I would say the first, maybe the six months or a year before he died, he seemed a lot more like melancholy and sad and just that he was having, he also had a really tough run, health-wise. He had dead sores, and he was in a lot of pain, all that stuff. I just think that he said things that made, that he was feeling like a burden,

and that she wasn't, he could tell she didn't wanna to take care of him anymore. She meaning Suzie. Chris's friend then told police that he thinks JP is the problem here. I've always thought she was like an amazing, the most amazing person. I mean if you want to know my opinion, in like a freaking religious cult and she's under the influence of that guy. Just knowing her, like she's weak

is the word I was gonna use. And I believe that she is totally manipulated by, I guess, I guess. I mean, she is incredibly, incredibly devout Christian woman. And so being like, I'm not trying to excuse her. If you had talked to me six months ago, I would have told you that I just, I felt like she was being totally manipulated.

I do believe she's under his control, like a cult or like a brainwashed or something like that. I felt like she was being totally manipulated. I do believe she's under his control, like a cult or like brainwashed or something like that. I do believe she's one of these people that especially because it's a path, it's not like it's just like some God, it's also like he's a quote unquote man of God. I think she's totally under his control.

Chris's friend then said Susie was the perfect victim for someone like JP Miller. I never thought about insurance money or never thought about, you know, an affair or anything like that. But I certainly think all of those things were factors now from the other stuff that I know. things were factors now from the other stuff that I know. Just that sort of um typical, I wanna say typical, I'm a Christian and faith is important to me but she is, there's that sort of submissive Christian woman, do you know what I mean? Yep, makes sense.

My wife is a Christian, my wife is not a submissive Christian woman. And I'm not trying to be, you know, demeaning toward her or anything, but she is the perfect victim for a guy like him. And I think that guy's a freaking sociopath. Chris's friend told the investigator that he believed Chris had killed himself. And even though Chris never mentioned JP Miller's name to him or his suspicions of an affair,

Chris did talk about changes he had seen in Suzie toward the end. When asked about a motive why Suzie might want Chris's official cause of death to be listed as accidental and not suicide, Chris's friend said the insurance money would be a consideration, but that he did not believe Suzie to be someone who would think like that, bathe him, feed him. Like when I went down to Texas, I stayed with them. She had a crane, she would, this was before the kids and stuff. Maybe the kids were really little, but like, like, couldn't exist in life without her taking care of him.

Around the clock, you know? He told me that things were different with her, that she maybe was maybe just growing tired of it or wasn't treating him the same and wasn't baiting him as much. It wasn't like the same toward him. I think that made him lose his little

if. Chris's friend did not mince words when it came to what he believed to be J.P. Miller's effect on Suzy Skinner. Pro-typical Christian, you know self-spoken Christian woman and man I think she just got taken over by this freaking sociopathic cult-leading You know fake Christian

And I think it's the point that he took his own life And I think afterwards whether that was you know, no, I don't know, we'll know like how calculated it was or whether, but I think afterwards it was clearly, there was clearly a story put out about that it wasn't suicide. I kind of fell for it. I did fall for it. Um, and um, whether it was for money or not, I'll never know, but... Okay. ...not at... that I see now is nothing. Like she is... it is a different woman than the woman I've known for 20 years. And I do... I do feel like, sadly,

like she discussed up and all this stuff. Doesn't mean she's not responsible, you know? Now for the weird part, Chris's friend was adamant that Chris had a fear of water, which is interesting because Susie and Chris had fought their HOA to have a chairlift installed so that he could swim at the pool. And like we've told you before, Chris had learned to surf using an adaptive surfboard that was

made for people with spinal injuries. So what was that all about? Did Chris simply overcome his fear of water or was there something else going on there? And we'll be right back. Biscuit or English muffin sandwiches, small hot coffee, and more. Limited time only at Participating Wendy's Taxes Extra. According to interviews with Chris' family, Suzie told investigators in 2023 that Chris had no family in the Horry County area, so investigators didn't speak with them at the time of his death. If they had, they said they would have informed police that Chris had been experiencing a dark time

and had spoken about driving his wheelchair into a lake or a pool. Despite knowing that Chris's death was the result of his suicide, his family said they took Susie's lead when it came to her desire to protect the children by saying Chris's death wasn't accidental.

Though they knew at the time that Chris felt like Susie had been pulling away, his death took on new meaning for them when they learned that Susie was allegedly having an affair with JP at that time, and that JP's wife Micah had died in a similarly tragic way. They no longer believed that calling Chris's death an accident was just about protecting the children, but rather about protecting Suzy and possibly JP. And they began to wonder if Chris's cause of death was connected to an insurance payout. So that's the reason. That's why we called upon the coroner to open an inquest into Chris's death, because it seemed like something more could have been happening here.

Suzy Skinner, as you can imagine, disagrees. In her interview with police earlier this year, she was angry and indignant, but also she kind of seems to admit that Chris killed himself. So let's talk about it. The detective started his interview with Suzy by asking her the basics. The detective started his interview with Suzy by asking her the basics. Going through the initial investigation when you were interviewed by Detective Soud years ago, right? That was never alluded to. It was more, there's no way he would have done something to himself. This was certainly an accident. Surely there

was an issue with his chair, that kind of thing. So our reason for talking today is to clarify your original statement. Is there anything that you would say differently now in 2025? No. And can I explain something to you? Of course. Let me break this down for you. He's a C5-6 quad. Do you know what that means? Tell me what muscles he can use. Very few.

I mean specifically. Biceps he can bend. On his left hand he functioned as a C6. On his right side he functioned as a C5. On the left side, C6, he's got wrist extension that's a 5 out of 5 strength. I am a physical therapist specializing in spinal cord injury. So I've got some expert advice here. He can bend his biceps. He has zero triceps. Cannot control his triceps at all. His arm goes up like this. He can't move it. If his arm comes down like this, he can resist it with biceps, but he has no triceps whatsoever. He has absolutely zero sensation in his hand, none whatsoever. This is C6, this is C7, this is C8. C7 and C8 have zero function, zero sensation. C6 was spotty because it was an injury that was C5 on the right, C6 on the left. It wasn't good sensation. He could not feel his hand at all. Okay. When he drives his

wheelchair, the only thing he's using is wrist extension and his biceps. And then he's got a little, he's got some triceps or not triceps deltoid in the front. So he can extend his arm. He can move it forward. He can bend his elbow and he can use his wrist extension. That's all he's got. No sensation. Okay. extension that's always got no sensation. Okay. So to be clear, this is the first thing that Suzy wanted to clarify from her previous statement about the C muscle functions, which is a kind of weird thing to launch into, right? I know she's a physical therapist and whatnot, but girl, this is about your husband, not your patient. And you told the police that he wasn't suicidal

and you made $23,000 off a GoFundMe from his death that was publicly declared a tragic accident. Would Suzy have made that kind of money if the public knew what was allegedly going on with her and JP at the time that her husband was suicidal? C functions is not what we're talking about here. But also why does she keep referring to Chris in present tense? It's weird, right? Next, Suzie told the Myrtle Beach police about Chris Skinner's morning on September 6, 2021.

on September 6, 2021. So that morning, the night before, he had forgotten to take his medications at night and I had forgotten to give it to him. So he stayed up all night. He was awake all night long. So when he got up in the morning, I gave him his normal medications that he always has in the morning.

And then he went for a walk to walk the dog, which is what he does every single morning. Probably at least one day a week on that walk, he usually starts to kind of fall asleep or he just is tired and he'll, you know, ride like this and drive. And we used to, he used to joke around and say like, um, don't ever let me drive off the sidewalk or don't let me, you know, whatever. And we would have to like wake him up and stuff So that morning when I get to the pool and they obviously they're doing CPR or whatever

She the detective said, you know what happened? Okay. Well, he was he was tired. He was up all night long He finally gets the medications, which is the same medications at night as in the morning So he finally gets those medications that he had missed and he probably fell asleep. He went to the same spot in the pool every single day. If there was a person that could let him into the pool area. If not, he went on the outside of the gate and he would sit there and he would play on his phone

or he would rest. That's what he did every morning after he walked the dog. That morning, obviously a neighbor led him into the pool. And so... Chime out. He'd occasionally fall asleep and you were cool with him just zipping around the neighborhood in his electric wheelchair?

All of this is really hard for me to understand because I actually love my husband. And I can't imagine a world where I would care so little about him that I would be cool with leaving him alone all day every day knowing that he passes out all the time and can barely function? Why didn't Suzie get someone else to take care of him if he was in such bad shape like she says?

And medications? That she had forgotten to give him the night before his death? This would be great information for Susie to have shared with police in 2021. So did the coroner do an autopsy or at least draw blood for toxicology? No, neither was done.

So at this part of the interview, Suzy went wild. I think he fell asleep or whatever. I don't know. I haven't seen the video. And that morning when that detective's asking me those questions or whatever, I haven't seen the video. I have no idea. So yes, that's my best guess on that day at that moment that that's what happened to my husband. I'm the one that lives with him. I'm the one that takes care of him. I'm the one that was there the night before. I'm the one that got him up that morning.

I'm the one that gives him the medication! Not these other people! I'm the one that lives with him! Yes, I know he's sad, he's been paralyzed for 21 years. Would you not be sad? But does that guarantee 100% that he killed himself? I have no idea. I am not a detective and I was not in his mind that morning. That is what I told that detective and that is exactly what I stand by today. Okay, I am not trying to make something out of nothing here, but what is going on with Suzy?

Why is she acting like a temper tantrum toddler in a situation so serious? What if Micah acted like this in any of her interactions with the police? Why does everyone close to JP Miller behave so suspiciously. Susie is talking about her husband's death from four years ago. Why does she keep saying, I am the one who gives him the medication and talking like that, like it happened yesterday?

I think we all know the answer to that. Not only did Micah not have JP protecting her from being perceived as mentally ill, he was making sure people who spoke with her would perceive her that way. Also, Suzy, you did not tell the detectives that on the day that your husband died. You specifically told the police

that your husband was not suicidal. You seemed to want to make that point. Again, why is that? Then in the interview, this happened. What? What do you think? This is just hypotheses. Here, why do you think this would come to light in 2025? Several years later, like what has what do you think has changed? Nothing has changed. So why are they bringing it to our attention now? Because there's a bunch of YouTubers that are talking about other topics that have

killed himself. My sister-in-law was mad at me because she came to me like the next day or whatever and I said well, I don't't know obviously I don't know if he did or not. Ah yes, I've been to YouTubers. She wishes it was that easy to dismiss. But also, girl, the only reason people know who you are is because of your gross boyfriend in his ungodly acts that led us to foia for all of your husband's case file that included a video that contradicted the story that you apparently wanted people to know.

This should have been a did you lie to police interview, but Myrtle Beach police apparently did not understand the assignment. The officer asked Susie if her husband ever alluded to suicidal thoughts. He alluded to doing anything like that to you? Yes. Okay.

I mean how recently, from the time he passed away, was it recent that he was making comments like that? He made comments, I mean not specific to me, not within that week or whatever, but he would make comments periodically, yeah. He would say that, I mean he would talk about how hard his life was He would talk about how it's so difficult He doesn't know how long he can do it, but he was saying that in 2015 and he was saying that in 2017 I mean, this is not new. Yeah, it was a hard

Life and he started getting wounds that were like recurrent wounds probably started 2017 2018 somewhere in there. And when he would get a wound, he had to be in the bed, on his side, which was extremely painful, and for weeks at a time. And it was miserable. And so when he would have wounds and stuff, that's when he would be like, I don't know how much longer I can do this. This is awful. And he would even say things like, there's nothing I can't, I can't, I can't even kill myself. Like how ridiculous is that?

I'm so paralyzed and so handicapped that I can't even, even if I wanted to, I couldn't do it. So yeah, he'd make it off and on. Yeah. But did he do it that day? I don't know. Yeah, sure. You weren't with him.

No. And he didn't say it the day before. Yeah. You weren't with him. No! And he didn't say it the day before to me. He didn't say anything to me the day before. The day before, he spent the day, he taught my daughter how to serve a volleyball because she was joining the volleyball team. Watched football.

I mean, it was a normal day." A normal day, but nothing sounds normal about this. You know what else isn't normal? What JP's ex-wife said in her affidavit, that JP and Susie were allegedly having an affair at the time that Chris died. How could you cheat on someone in the kind of shape that Susie herself said Chris was in around the time of his death? She described him as someone who could barely function and someone who was in so much pain all of the time. Suzie tries to say what her husband did that morning

was normal, but again, nothing feels normal about any of this. Did he ever allude to how he would kill himself? He talked about the only thing he could do is drive into the pool, which he's probably right. I can't think of any other physical way that he could do it. I mean, he would have to have somebody help him. So yeah, he's right. That's the only way he could do it. Is there anything that you've been wanting to talk about or get off your chest or ask?

Do you have questions for us? I mean, the floor is yours. I think the whole thing is sad. And I wish that my husband could just be remembered for being an amazing person. And I don't know why we have to bring it up and try to make him look like, again, like, what's the goal? You want him to look like a loser? You want him to look like he left his family? Do you want him to, I mean, what is the goal?

Do you want to expose that he was in this horrible despair as a quad? What's the goal? Did he do it? I don't know. And I don't care. Listen, not one other person was there. Yes, there's a video, but not one other person was there. So can you say with 100% certainty? That's right, Suzy. Not one other person was there. And yet you were certain back in September 2021 that this was accidental. Instead of saying, I don't know what happened, you told first responders he has a do not resuscitate order that you couldn't produce. Myrtle Beach Police Department closed its second investigation into Chris Skinner's death in March of this year

without changing their original findings, meaning that no crime was committed here. It's hard to understand how they could determine that no crime was committed when the coroner's office is still looking into this case. The coroner's office told us this week that it is still investigating the circumstances of Chris's death. So what happens if they determine he died by suicide? Because

again, that is the point. If Chris's death was a suicide and Micah's death was a suicide and both cases involved allegations of their spouses engaging in an extramarital affair along with mistreatment or abuse leading up to their deaths, then that should raise further questions for law enforcement officers about JP and Solid Rock. And can we go back to Suzy's horrific phrasing about her husband's death there? Insinuating that calling his death a suicide would make him look like a loser. No, girl, you are the loser here because of what you admitted in this interview. While you may or may not have been romancing with Pastor Creep Monster down the road, you

apparently let your husband live a life that would probably make everyone question whether or not they wanted to continue their existence. He told you that he was suicidal and specifically said he would kill himself by driving into the pool. And you were just cool with him going to that pool every morning by himself, even when he was frequently passing out?

Why didn't you just divorce him? What you, Susie, casually described as normal life for your husband feels to me like cruelty." The worst part of this interview was the end, when the Myrtle Beach police officer conducting the interview claimed that he wasn't even sure what the point of this investigation was. You know, the investigation HE was conducting. Yeah, I appreciate you making time to come and talk to us. You were the last piece of the puzzle, to be honest with you.

I mean, we've talked to a lot of people and you were the last piece. So I don't know that, like you said, I don't know what the goal is. I don't know. But when it's presented to us, you know. It's very odd. You normally have people fighting that it's not a suicide, not fighting that it is." Yes, police can legally lie in interviews, but his questions, over and over, backed up this same sentiment.

They were all over the place and unaware of the point. The point is that Chris Skinner's family does not believe his death was properly investigated by your department, and there is a lot of evidence to back that up. Video evidence. Direct evidence. The point is that Chris Skinner's family members deserve to know the truth about what happened to their loved ones. And it is actually your job to figure that out, not YouTubers or podcasters. But y'all have proven time and time again that you cannot be trusted to do that.

So here we are, doing what y'all get paid millions of dollars by taxpayers to do, to use common sense, to expose the truth, to catch the bad guys. Horry County Police and Myrtle Beach Police have both shown us that they cannot be trusted when it comes to J.P. Miller. But we have not lost hope in the FBI, whose active investigation was mentioned several times in these interviews. We cannot wait to hear what the FBI found out. Stay tuned, stay pesky, and stay in the sunlight. True Sunlight is a Lunashark production created by me, Mandy Matney.

Co-hosted and reported by journalist Liz Farrell. Research support provided by Beth Brayden. Audio production support provided by Jamie Hoffman, case file management provided by Kate Thomas. Learn more about our mission and membership at lunasharkmedia.com interruptions provided by Luna and Joe Pesky. Hey there listeners, EB here and I want to tell you about a new weekly podcast that I'm hosting. I love being a lawyer, being a speaker. I absolutely am looking forward to being an author of my book, Anything But Bland, but

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