Murdaugh Murders Podcast - TSP #103 - How Weldon Boyd Embedded His ‘Self-Defense’ Narrative with Police and Witnesses + 10 Things to Know about Michael Colucci's Retrial

Episode Date: June 12, 2025

Is Michael Colucci finally going to trial for allegedly murdering Sara Lynn Colucci in 2015? Why does Weldon Boyd claim witnesses back up his story in the Scott Spivey shooting? Investigative journalists Mandy Matney and Liz Farrell discuss two separate but related cases in South Carolina that highlight obvious systemic failures within the justice system.  First, we focus on the upcoming retrial of Michael Colucci for the murder of his wife, Sara Lynn Moore Colucci, emphasizing red flags in his 911 call, his ‘gathering storm’ of financial and stress leading up to her death, and the volatile nature of their relationship.  Then we examine the alleged wrongful death of Scott Spivey, critically analyzing Horry County Police Department's investigation, the inconsistencies in witness testimonies, and the actions of Weldon Boyd, exposing a potential cover-up and lack of thorough inquiry by authorities.  What does it take to achieve greater transparency and accountability in South Carolina's legal processes, particularly in cases involving influential men…? Let’s dive in! 🥽🦈 Episode References Colucci Case Overview 🌐 The Colucci Case Spotify Playlist 🎧 “Jennifer Foley wants her brother Scott Spivey’s death investigated” - The Post & Courier, May 6, 2025 🎞️ Premium Resources Soundbites on Colucci⁠ episode 🎧 ⁠Sara Lynn Colucci’s Death Incident Report - May 21, 2015⁠ 📄 ⁠Michael Colucci’s Citizen Dispute & Fraudulent Check - June 19, 2015⁠ 📄 ⁠Michael Colucci’s Theft Report Monck’s Corner - Oct 5, 2015⁠ 📄 Stay Tuned, Stay Pesky and Stay in the Sunlight...☀️ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Premium Members ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠also get access to ad-free listening, searchable case files, written articles with documents, case photos, episode videos and exclusive live experiences with our hosts on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lunasharkmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ all in one place. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠CLICK HERE⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to learn more: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BdUtOE⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Here's a link to some of our favorite things: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4cJ0eVn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ *** ALERT: If you ever notice audio errors in the pod, email ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and we'll send fun merch to the first listener that finds something that needs to be adjusted! *** For current & accurate updates: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠bsky.app/profile/mandy-matney.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠bsky.app/profile/elizfarrell.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TrueSunlight.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠facebook.com/TrueSunlightPodcast/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram.com/TrueSunlightPod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠youtube.com/@LunaSharkMedia⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠tiktok.com/@lunasharkmedia Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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But Michael Calucci's murder trial begins next week, and we are so ready to cover our first murder trial since Murdoch. And that is a big deal. My name is Manny Matney. This is True Sunlight, a podcast exposing crime and corruption previously known as the Murdoch Murders Podcast. True Sunlight is a Lunashark production, written with journalist Liz Farrell. Hello and happy Thursday!

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are blessed to have them in our lives. We want to start out today's podcast with a quick refresher on the Michael Colucci retrial, which, if all goes according to plan, we'll start with jury selection on Monday in Berkley County, South Carolina. This case is very important to us. Not only do we want to see Sarah Lynn Moore-Kaluci's daughter, Bishop, and her mother, Barbara, finally be able to put Michael Kaluci behind them forever.

We are sick and tired of seemingly wealthy husbands being able to just say, my wife killed herself, and please just fall in line. So here are 10 things to know before the retrial starts next week. For a more thorough refresher, click the link in the description for our Kaluci Trial playlist.

It is worth it. This just isn't an important case, but it's a wild ride as every case in the world of South Carolina's good old' boys seems to be. Speaking of, the number one thing that you need to know before retrial starts is the good ol' boy factor. Because guess what? Ellic Murdoch and Michael Colucci have several things in common. While Ellic is a South Carolina native, Michael moved to Charleston from New York City when he

was five years old with his mother, brother, stepfather, and five step-siblings. But like Ellic, he became well-entrenched in the good ol' boy system of South Carolina that we so often warn the world about. In fact, Ellic and Michael both had enough connections among law enforcement and the courts that warranted the local solicitor's office and the sheriff's offices to recuse themselves in their cases, leaving Sled to investigate in the AG's office to prosecute the case. Both Ellic and Michael have last names that mean a whole lot to them. Legacy, money, and power.

In fact, Michael Colucci even changed his last name to that of his stepfather. Some say that was Michael adopting the credibility and esteem of Ivo Colucci. Credibility and esteem that he had not earned on his own. Ellic and Michael share a similar past, filled with financial chaos, allegations of drug use and alcohol abuse, and problematic relationships. According to sources, Michael was a man used to getting away with any kind of trouble he got into. After he was charged with his wife's murder,

he had the privilege, like Ellic, of being represented by one of the state's most expensive and highly regarded attorneys in the state. Everyone told us that Dick Harputlian was going to be the man in the state. Everyone told us that Dick Harputlian was going to be the man in the courtroom. But compared to Michael's attorney Andy Savage, Dick is more like a snotty five-year-old at a dance recital who forgot all of the moves and also wet their leotard. While Andy is a principal in the Royal Ballet Company. In fact, if Michael is guilty of killing Sarah Lynn,

Michael Colucci just might possess the how to get away with it playbook that Ellic and his team so closely followed. Like I said, we chose to cover the Colucci case for many reasons, but mostly because this is a case where sunlight is not only needed, but it could absolutely improve this family's chance of getting justice for Sarah.

Like we did in the Murdoch case, we needed the Attorney General's office and SLED to know that we are watching and taxpayers are watching too. Voters are watching and that's to you, Allen Wilson, who wants to be the next governor of South Carolina. If Michael Colucci killed Sarah Lynn, it's going to take a much better effort from the state this time around,

because their first attempt at prosecuting Michael was a disaster, and Michael Colucci's murder retrial should have a different outcome than the first trial. Again, Michael Colucci is represented by Andy Savage, and yes, he's a powerhouse, but he's also that Andy, who briefly represented Sandy Smith in 2021 before she fired him. Michael's first trial was in November, 2018.

Colucci's defense team was thorough and proactive, but also relentless, obnoxious, dramatic, and intentionally confusing. That energy was not met with the prosecution. The prosecution was led by Megan Birchstedt, who we will talk about in a minute, and Joel Kozak. Thankfully, and I'll explain why in a second, Megan Birchstedt no longer works

for the Attorney General's office, and therefore she cannot be involved in Kaluchi 2.0. Instead, Joel Kozak will be trying the case with second chair Kenley Abbey. Megan's absence from the prosecution, in my opinion, is an automatic disadvantage for Calucci's defense. And that's after watching Michael's first trial and also watching Megan's lack of lawyering skills

in the Murdoch boat crash case hearings. Yes, Megan Burchhead was the same prosecutor assigned to Paul Murdoch's boat crash case. She left us highly unimpressed by not only how she handled the case, but by her performance in the courtroom during the two hearings that were held before Paul's death. In both, she seemed to cede the floor to Dick Harputlian, allowing him to call the shots. And she also failed to mention Mallory Beach's name during the entire presentation to the court. That will always stick with us. Meghan no longer works for the Attorney General's office. She left amid a shakeup around the

time that Elick Murdoch was charged with murder, at a time when Attorney General Alan Wilson was trying to get to the bottom of leaks to the media that seemed to be coming from law enforcement. Which is interesting, right? So Meghan carried that same lackluster energy that she had in the boat crash case in 2019 to the Colucci case in 2018. Liz said it best last year, If Creighton Waters built his case against Elick Murdoch with bricks, then Megan Birchstedt built her case against Colucci out of straw. At the end of the day, the prosecution has to sell a story that the jury believes.

It's best when that story is told with passion and backed up by details and told in a way that is easy for people to understand the who, what, when, where, and why of the murder. The prosecution in 2018 did not tell a coherent story. Some of this has to do with the bad police work due to the cops automatically believing Michael's She Killed Herself with a Hose story that he set on scene. But honestly, I think a lot of it has to do with Meghan not appearing to care about Sarah Lynn. Meghan rolled her eyes and made faces throughout the first trial. She never seemed to take the murder trial seriously.

In her closing arguments, Meghan birched up the prosecutor. Did Sarah Lynn Colucci no favors in convincing the jury that she was a person that they should care about? In fact, she mentioned several times that Sarah did drugs, drank, and was mean. She used that word, mean, to describe Sarah twice in her closing statement. And we'll talk more about Sarah Lynn in a second. But one of the last things Meghan said to the jury was, quote, "...Sarah was mean, but she didn't deserve to die."

What did she want the jury to do with that? Because what they did with it was give Michael a mistrial by a hung jury. On the other hand, Andy Savage swatted away just about every single point that the prosecution tried to make throughout the trial in 2018. The defense's strategy was chaotic and so offensive at times, but chaos is often good when you don't have the burden of proof hanging over you. Again, I recommend you listen to our Calucci episodes in the link in the description. In the last trial, Calucci's defense team did not stick with one narrative.

They tried many. They said Sarah Lynn could have tripped over a hose and killed herself. They tried to demonstrate this in the weirdest ways. But again, the defense doesn't have to prove anything. So they also said, what about this? What about that? And they spent a long time hypothesizing over a theory that Sarah Lynn could have killed herself.

They tried to convince the jury that it was physically possible despite the absurdity of the scenario. They spent an offensive amount of time discussing her mental health and the reasons why she maybe would have chosen suicide. And unfortunately, the prosecution never seemed to bother with explaining away some of the things Sarah Lynn did and said in the months leading up to her death, as they should have explained to the jury that she was a woman in an allegedly abusive situation, responding to that alleged abuse.

She was a woman imagining a better future for her and her daughter and starting to put that plan into action. That would have made more sense to the jury. Anyway, we are anticipating to see the defense, now led by Scott Bischoff and Andy Savage, cling to this strategy this time around and exploit Sarah Lynn's mental health. More on that in a minute. But at the heart of the Collegiate case is a story made up by a man that doesn't make any sense. Yet, it was believed by officers that day on scene in Summerville, South Carolina on

May 20, 2015. Number 2. There are so many red flags here. Let's start with Michael's 911 call. It sounds like he says, my wife. My wife is... My wife is not well. She tried to kill herself.

Then he gives the wrong address of where they're located, before telling the dispatcher that he's attempting to give Sarah Lynn CPR. Sarah Lynn's body was found lying on the ground to the side of the building. Her feet were positioned toward the chain link fence. On the concrete wall of the building was a rack for a garden hose, with a length of hose still wrapped loosely around it. Part of the hose was looped around a post at the top of that chain-link fence and a strand of Sarah Lynn's blonde hair was found on that portion of hose according to a

police report. One end of the hose was under her body. When first responders arrived at the scene they found Michael with a cut and bloodied lip. His explanation for it was that he had gotten the cut while giving Sarah Lynn CPR. You know, as one does. The dispatcher asks what happened and Michael says, What's your name? Michael Cillucci. The dispatcher asks what happened and Michael says, I think she tried to kill herself. The dispatcher then tries to confirm the address Michael gave him. 2209 North Main Street in Somerville. Again, even though it's slightly off, Michael confirms that it is in fact the address and

asks the dispatcher to please hurry. The dispatcher asks how old Sarah Lynn is and Michael attempts to give him the age but either can't remember how old she is offhand or is too flustered to say it. He starts to say the first part of her age, 30, but then gives the dispatcher the year she was born, 1976, which the dispatcher misinterprets as her age. He tells the dispatcher again to please hurry. Sound familiar? The dispatcher asks what happened to Sarah Lynn and Michael stumbles over his words and says, I don't know. Then the rest is too garbled to understand, but you can hear Michael say his name to the

dispatcher. The dispatcher tells Michael to stay with him. Michael says he's not going to hang up. I promise you. Then it sounds like he moans and says, Come on, Sarah. Come on, baby. Come on. The dispatcher asks him what makes him think Sarah Lynn tried to kill herself. The dispatcher asks him what makes him think Sarah Lynn tried to kill herself. It sounds like Michael responds by saying she's turning purple. Come on, please. Then he says she put herself around a hose or something. I don't know. Then it sounds like he might have said she couldn't breathe. How was she? What did she do to hurt herself? What? I got her at my house. I was her man. But she turned it. I was her man. I know what I did, my God.

Is it carbon monoxide? Is that what she did? No, sir. The dispatcher asks Michael, how, what did she do to hurt herself? Is it carbon monoxide? Is that what she did? No sir. The dispatcher asks Michael, How? What did she do to hurt herself? Michael responds with a sound and then says, I'm at the warehouse. Then he tries to get out a series of words before saying, I have no idea.

The dispatcher responds by saying, Is it carbon monoxide? Is that what she did? And Michael either says, no sir, or no Sarah. And then, come on baby, come on baby, come on, baby, come on. This goes on for another minute or so, and the dispatcher then tries to get the address situation cleared up before sending first responders. You can hear the rest of the 911 call on episode 42,

but I think we all get the point. Michael is frantic, and he's telling a story that does not make any sense. Even the dispatcher is like, huh? Put herself around a hose or something? What? And the story he told detectives on scene made even less sense. According to the police report, Michael told officers that Sarah was supposed to run into the warehouse while he stayed in the car. But while in the car, he noticed Sarah next to the fence for a few minutes. He said he then got out and saw that she was moving and then thought she was fine. Michael

claims he then sat in his car, which was a few feet from the fence and Sarah Lynn, for several more minutes when he then noticed she wasn't moving. That's when he claimed he got out of the car to check on her and saw her hanging from the fence. Now, this story has changed several times. According to a recent Post and Courier article, Michael's defense team is going to claim that he fell asleep while waiting for Sarah Lynn and that his phone can prove that. We cannot wait to see that one. But take a step back and imagine yourself as a detective on this scene. All your red flags should be up, right?

Frantic, incoherent husband telling a story that appears to be impossible and not matching the evidence. But no, the scene was treated as a possible suicide and because of that, evidence was missed. Such as, they never got Michael's GPS locations for the day of the murder to make sure that they matched his story. They never found a murder weapon to match the marks on Sarah Lynn's neck. Is it possible that someone was able to take the weapon from the scene since it was being treated as a suicide? Absolutely. We don't know how long Michael waited at that scene before calling 911, do we?

This is why police need to treat every suspicious death as a homicide until proven otherwise, especially when that woman is in the process of leaving her husband amid claims of abuse. And yet, they just believed him. And it took a year for Sled to charge Michael with Sarah's homicide, which only benefited Michael. More on Kaluci after a quick break. We'll be right back. Whether it's a family member, friend or furry companion joining your summer road trip, enjoy the peace of mind that comes with Volvo's legendary safety. During Volvo Discover Days, enjoy limited time savings

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Like Elick Murdoch, Michael Carlucci was facing an enormous amount of financial pressure in 2015. The kind of pressure that could make a man snap. But unlike Elick, the jury didn't get to hear a whole lot about the heat that this man was facing in May 2015. However, like Ellic Murdoch, Michael had a history of not paying his mortgages and somehow evading consequences. We've found several records of Michael getting enormous loans and not paying them back. In 2008, Michael and his ex-wife Camilla owed $1.5 million for a loan, for example.

In 2009, we found another foreclosure where Michael owed over $100,000 to a different bank — a sum that was settled after the bank said he's failed to pay back a large short-term loan of $550,000. He seemed to move chaotically from loan to loan with few repercussions. From all appearances of his financial records, Michael never seemed to dig himself out of debt. In June 2016, the month after he was charged with murdering his wife and after he hired

Andy Savage to represent him, Michael's stepfather, Evo, filed a claim with the court showing that Michael owed him $700,000. And remember, in June 2015, shortly after Sarah Lynn's death, a man reported to the Somerville police that he had previously made a deal with Michael to sell his two-carat diamond ring back in March 2015. He said that Michael tried paying him back with a $7,000 check that bounced shortly after Sarah Lynn was killed. Also, right around the time of Sarah Lynn's death, a used car salesman said that Michael

asked him to borrow $50,000 and that Michael claimed to be waiting on a land deal to fix all of his money problems. That sounds like a lot of pressure on one guy, right? On top of that, add a wife who liked the finer things in life, but also was about to leave him, meaning he was about to deal with a divorce that he could not afford. We also can't forget that Michael and Sarah visited a lawyer on the day of Sarah's death for a lawsuit that Michael eventually won a five-figure settlement for. What if, and I'm just asking, what if he looked at her in that meeting

and realized that he could get a whole lot more money if he didn't have to split it? The truth is, the image that Michael Colucci so badly wanted to obtain — the family man, the businessman, the moneymaker — that all was slipping away from him on May 20, 2015. And almost none of it was allowed to be brought up during the first trial. Remember all of that 403B evidence in Murdoch? Same idea.

Number four, their relationship was a roller coaster ride of misery toward the end. We read a few hundred text messages between Sarah Lynn and Michael Colucci sent in the month leading up between Sarah Lynn and Michael Colucci, sent in the month leading up to Sarah Lynn's death. So when we saw Sarah Lynn's text, we immediately understood a few things to be true. One, she absolutely was threatening to leave Michael at the time of her death.

Two, their relationship was volatile and Sarah Lynn was aware of how bad it had gotten. Three, messy relationships tend to be very messy to the very end. And as any woman who's experienced one can tell you, they're just not linear or black and white. It's basically emotional whiplash where you love the guy one minute and then are immediately reminded of why he is the worst thing that's happened to you. And four, Michael, like many narcissistic husbands out there, seemed to be very careful about what he was putting in writing

and very aware of the reverse victim part of Darvo. His responses were few and far between, but almost always calm and loving in a possible attempt to intentionally create contrast to heighten Sarah Lynn's vitriol and put a shine on the image he wanted to be true about himself as a husband. It's not entirely clear whether the state presented all of Michael's responses, but we highly doubt they kept any back.

It's also not clear if he was using the audio message feature in iPhone where you record a message and once it's been listened to, it disappears. We say that because in places it looks like Sarah Lynn is responding to him in the moment, but there's no corresponding message from him. That said, this is the one thing that the Calucci case has that the Murdoch case didn't. Proof of the bad marriage. One that showed the impacts of addiction and financial failings. For example, here's what Sarah Lynn wrote to Michael between 4 and 5 a.m. on April 23rd, a few weeks before her mysterious death. I am going to calm down for a moment before I go to Walmart.

I already know that Bishop and I will have to go to a woman's shelter because you are not going to leave. I will see my attorney tomorrow at 11 a.m. We can have an advocate escort Bishop and I while we get our things together. Either way, you being in charge gives me no other choice legally. I hope you are happy with the way you found me and the person you have molded me into with your controlling ways. I've got family to attest to the strain you've put me under making it impossible for me to function as I did for 32 years prior to us meeting. Also, the adoption

can be reversed. It's whatever the attorney says I should do from here. I hope you're proud of yourself. Feels like deja vu, I bet. Lastly, as you do, I simply want out. I don't want to hear what you think of me any longer, unless it's positive. I'll extend the same respect to you so we can get this situation behind the both of us. ASAP. And I can move on with my life. I'm not suggesting mediation any longer either. I don't trust your intent with anything. Never mind you being civil enough to waste time with mediation." Later that night, Sarah Lynn texted Michael, I'm going to the shelter. Enjoy the house I built. By the way, the house is in pre-foreclosure status. My parents are not going to allow that to happen,

but they are not going to allow you to live here either. Think hard and play your cards right, Michael. Game on. This is one of the many cut and dried examples of Sarah Lynn clearly communicating that she wanted a divorce no matter what it meant for her. There are several texts where Sarah Lynn tells Michael to go away and leave her alone. On May 1st she wrote, Stop kissing me when I'm sleeping. Stop trying to be in my presence. I do not like you. Scream at someone else because you can't talk to your male friend

on the phone. You ruined my life. She repeatedly tells him he ruined her life. She repeatedly tells him that she hopes he dies of a heart attack and that she wants him gone. She tells him she is not in love with him and that even though he ruined her life, she's not going to let him ruin Bishop's life. After a litany of texts like that, Michael's only response was, I love you so much. I have not gone far.

I am at the gas station. See you soon." Again, if you haven't been in an emotionally abusive relationship with a narcissist, you might think that is a normal way for a husband to respond. But a lot of times narcissists ignore their partners as a mechanism of control and as another way to devalue their feelings. Ignoring is a way to show their partners that their worst words have no effect on them. I don't know if Michael has ever been diagnosed as a narcissist and I'm not

saying that he is one. I'm just saying what things look like from where we sit. But surprise, surprise, the jury in the first trial did not get to hear that when they heard the text messages at the 2018 trial. All Andy was able to frame Michael as the cool and calm husband just doing his best to handle his mentally unstable wife. And that brings us to number five. If Michael Colucci strangled Sarah Lynn to death, it was not his first bad act.

In Andy Savage's 2018 opening statement, he stressed that his client had no prior incidents of violence. But what he really meant there is that Michael is a good old boy who hasn't been arrested or charged in an act of violence. And that doesn't mean he's never been accused of violence. In 2005, Michael put his own friend in a chokehold and caused injuries resulting in Michael having to pay $50,000 of his friend's medical bills from that incident for the next decade. In October 2015, after Sarah's death, Sarah's mother, Barbara Moore, made a vandalism report regarding nearly $40,000 worth of damage that Michael allegedly did to their home when he was evicted.

Yet, he was never charged for that. In April 2018, a few months before his first trial, Michael's step-siblings called the Colleton County Sheriff's Office and accused Michael of breaking into the family's beach home and severely vandalizing it, meaning thousands of dollars of damage. Doors ripped off the hinges, debris everywhere, knick-knack items scattered and broken all across the floor, and oddly, spray-painted cabinets that said, "'You killed yo wife.'" Oh, and there was a coffee table spray-painted with a penis on it, and it said that same message.

Huh. Who would do such a thing? Well, Michael Colucci's own step-siblings accused Michael of this, and yet, Colleton County closed the case abruptly, right before Colucci's 2018 trial, when they supposedly ran out of leads. But from what we saw, they did very little to investigate the case. And it just closed, right before Michael went to trial. Which is weird, right? Oh, and Michael Colucci hasn't been a golden boy since his 2018 trial either.

In 2019, Michael's then- then girlfriend told police that he assaulted her and broke her arm. Michael Colucci was facing an active murder charge at this point, and his then girlfriend told Charleston police that she was scared for her safety because of Michael. And yet, Charleston police appeared to never take that seriously. We didn't find any records of Charleston police bothering to question Michael about this incident. And again, he was never charged. This is what I mean when I say Michael has a history of violence

that is complicated in a good old boy way. Number six, Michael knows how to work a crowd. During the first trial, Michael came into the court with swagger, but in front of the jury, he was the saddest man on earth. And he seemed to angle his body so that the jurors could see his copious tears and his strained expressions.

A source told us that Michael did something similar during a pre-trial hearing in May. He was all smiles and chuckles until he got in front of the media and that's when he turned on the waterworks. Who does that remind you of? Remember those snot tears? So expect to see that in the retrial. And that brings us to number 7.

In case this wasn't clear before, it's been 10 years since Sarah Lynn Colucci died. 10 years! That isn't just a cruelty to Sarah Lynn's daughter and mother. It's a huge statement of how broken our justice system is when it comes to men with access to money who claim their wives died by suicide. Michael was able to purchase delay after delay with Andy Savage because of Andy's health issues. And we talked about that a lot in Cup of Justice 133.

Now, 10 years later, his defense is being led by two new members to his legal team, Bill McGuire and Scott Bischoff, with Andy allegedly taking a backseat. And yet, here we are. Number eight, this isn't just about Michael Colucci. Our ultimate goal is to make it so that all 50 states have laws on the books that require death scenes

to be automatically treated as homicide investigations in cases where a spouse or partner claims suicide. We'll talk more about that in the future, but the very first step to that is calling out every case and how the system was built in a way to fail women who were murdered by the person closest to them. Take a step back from this case and look at it for what it is.

A woman who died suspiciously while she was in the process of leaving her husband, statistically the most dangerous time in her life besides pregnancy when she is most likely to get murdered by her partner. We hope this case highlights this phenomenon and forces police to reconsider their policies when it comes to death investigations that are quickly labeled suicide. Our eyes are now open. And that brings us to number 9, Bishop Venters. Bishop was a little girl when her father died as a result of what was termed an accidental stabbing in Myrtle Beach.

She was a little girl when her mother's new husband adopted her and gave her his last name, the one that he adopted, Kaluchi. And she was a little girl when her mother's new husband adopted her and gave her his last name, the one that he adopted, Kaluchi. And she was a little girl when her mother was killed. Now, Bishop is a woman, a married woman, and so much chaos and injustice has been foisted upon her over the last 10 years. Bishop deserves better, and we hope that the prosecution stays focused on Bishop and her broken heart when they're looking for inspiration to do better this time.

And number 10. Sarah Lynn Moore-Keluchi was a force of nature. Prosecutor Megan Birchsted told the jury that Sarah Lynn was a mean girl and a druggy with mental illness, which is really odd because we've spoken with longtime friends of Sarah Lynn's and family members and people who really enjoyed her. And they all say that Sarah Lynn was a true southern girl, a woman with grit and soul and passion who stood up for others and who said whatever was on her mind and whatever she thought needed to be said in the moment. They told us that she adored Bishop and loved dressing her up and doing girly things together. They told us that she was impeccable

in how she dressed, how she styled herself, and how she designed the interior of her house. One of her friends told us that Sarah Lynn would never be so low as to kill herself in a filthy chain-linked fenced area with a garden host if she was going to take her life the friends said it would be perfectly planned and done in her beautiful and beloved home where she would be dressed to the nines and in full makeup.

It sounds dark talking like that, but it says a lot about who Sarah Lynn was personality wise. She was feisty and interesting and funny and she was direct. She wasn't mean. She wasn't one word. She was all the words. You know how they say it's not all men but it's always a man when it comes to violence against women? I think the same thing can be said about mental illness and suicide. Suicide is the final symptom of some mental illnesses but that is only a tiny percentage of those who deal with mental illness and it. Suicide is the final symptom of some mental illnesses, but that is only a tiny percentage of those who deal with mental illness. And it's an even tinier

percentage of women who even attempt to kill themselves, never mind follow through with it as a result of grief, which we're expecting the defense to suggest because Sarah Lynn died after going to her first husband's grave site earlier in the day to pay her respects. This is all to say that we hope to God the prosecution has a very sturdy plan to knock back what will no doubt be offensive and wrong assertions made by the defense when it comes to women and mental illness. And the defense will no doubt use the same old tired playbook that gets used in cases like this one.

She was crazy and he was just a loving, patient husband. Look at him. He's so upset. He's crying over her. Again, the retrial starts Monday. Stay tuned for ways to keep up with our coverage. We're still waiting to get word from the judge on whether we'll be able to livestream the retrial so if anyone in Berk Berkeley County Courthouse is listening,

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which neither Weldon nor Bradley needed to be on for where they were going that day. A couple of updates, though. First, last week we told you about how Weldon's legal team, led by Ken Moss and Myrtle Beach, is using the court system, in our opinions, to bully Scott Spivey's sister, Jennifer Spivey Foley. Y'all know Jennifer left her job as a biology teacher in Tabor City, North Carolina, to focus on getting justice for her little brother. Jennifer had a feeling that Horry County Police Department not only bent over backward to protect Weldon in the aftermath of Scott's death, but that they barely did an investigation

at all. In February 2025, nearly after a year of fighting with the police department for the case file, Jennifer learned that she was right. She went public with the public information about a case that closed without any charges being filed. Keyword there is public. The case file belongs to the public and Jennifer has every right to share it with the public. Of course, that is not how Team Weldon sees things, because Team Weldon just does not know when to quit. Weldon's attorney has subpoenaed Jennifer for her phone records.

Why? Good question, cause she's already on the record with the media, including us, which she has the right to do. Weldon's attorney also subpoenaed for Jennifer's employment records. Why? To discredit her in whichever way that they can. They're looking for dirt, and I don't think they'll find any. As if there is a single scenario that could be documented in those phone records and employment records that would change anyone's mind about what Weldon Boyd, Bradley Williams, and the

Horry County Police Department did in Scott's case. Jennifer's credibility, which we think is top-notch, matters zero. This isn't her account that we're relying on here to say, whoa, looks like this was not about Weldon standing his ground. And the Horry County Police made sure to fix that. It's literal evidence that we are relying on. The same evidence that Horry County Police, 15 Circuit Solicitor Jimmy Richardson, SLED agent Nathan

Paustin, and South Carolina Attorney General Alan Wilson's office, specifically Heather Weiss, all had for a long time. Jennifer did the same thing that all of them claimed to do. She went through the evidence, carefully. But sure, let's bully her. Anyway, this is all to say that Jennifer isn't the only one getting legally bullied by Weldon's attorney. He's also going after the mother of Weldon's toddler son and the grandmother of Weldon's toddler son. He is subpoenaing them for their phone records too. Again, why would they do that?

Why? But all of this is typical, right? Bully the woman so you can blame them. I would expect nothing less. Bully the woman and try to make Weldon and Bradley and the police into some sort of victims of the media. Please give us a break. It's harassment, plain and simple.

It's also hilarious to me that Weldon, Bradley, and the police, and now I'm lumping them all together here despite the police not being defendants in Jennifer's case, would be crying their eyes out about things not being fair for them, when that is the whole point. At any rate, we're going to keep saying this. This case is about public corruption, and the public has a big interest in the outcome here because of what it says about their very expensive police department.

To target Jennifer and the mother of Weldon's child and the grandmother of Weldon's child is vile. If Weldon needs to point fingers, maybe he needs to point them in the direction of the men who greased the skids for him. Because that is why things are where they are right now. All right, let's talk about the witnesses who Weldon kept telling people on his recorded phone calls were on his side who had seen everything and it was exactly like he and Bradley had said it was. Like we said, we're saving witness number one, the 20 year old girl who had called 911 before Weldon to report Scott's driving.

We're going to talk about her last because she is very likely Weldon's key witness. And she's the witness that prosecutor Heather Weiss relied on when deciding not to pursue charges against Weldon and Bradley. Last week, we told you about witness number two, the man from Virginia, who is the only witness who saw Scott with a gun, right? As the shooting began on Camp Swamp Road. Remember, witness number two never saw Scott point

or shoot the weapon. He did, however, see Weldon unload his magazine at Scott and his truck, and in his side view mirror, saw Scott appearing to get hit by those bullets. He said it wasn't until he was passing Weldon, who was shooting at the time, that he saw Scott begin to lift his weapon witness number two's account is recorded on a

911 call and in a video interview with an investigator afterward and yet the investigators written report reversed the order in which witness number two had seen Scott begin to raise his gun Making it seem as though Weldon's gunfire didn't start until after that. So yet another Horry County Police Department assist for Weldon Boyd. What are we up to now? At least four, right? We have Deputy Chief Brandon working in the shadow of Strickland.

There's Sergeant Damon act like a victim Vescovy. There's Officer Kerry, shh, don't talk until we give you the timeline later, Higgs. And the investigator Trey Sean, witness timeline remix, McQueen. Elec Murdoch is probably sitting on his prison bed right now thinking, damn, that is some police corruption. What is this world coming to? Okay, so that was witness number two. Witness number three, number two's wife,

was playing on her phone when this happened so she didn't see anything. She only knew the two times when her husband told her to get down, when he saw Scott with a gun that had its slide locked back, and then again when the shooting started from Weldon's truck. Oh, one more

thing about number two. While he was on the phone with 911 Weldon spoke with him according to what he said on the phone call and that's when number two told 911 that both men were shooting at each other even after previously only saying he saw Weldon shoot the gun. It took Horry County police eight minutes to get to the scene which can I have David quote something real quick here for you before we get into it? Here are pieces from a long post that Weldon wrote on the Facebook page for his restaurant, Buies on the Boulevard in April.

David, it is going to be really hard for you not to laugh when you read this. Enough is enough with the lies, conspiracy of politicians, family court attorneys, the shooter's attorneys and TikTokers who seek to profit from misinformation. I will not seek to defend myself in social media where the rules clearly are not objective and fair. There are no quote secret recordings end quote that have come to light recently. To the tabloid plaintiffs, attorneys and bloggers who are in this for money, I would say to

you that there can be no cover up of a crime when there is no crime. What you seek to do for profit is immoral. I have not read any of the known facts concerning Mr. Spivey's past in the media. Why? I presume the facts don't sell clicks. A more constructive inquiry of the public officials is, why in the heck did it take so long to get officers to one of the busiest traffic corridors in Horry County? The delay in response is alarming.

To be clear, I do not mean to insinuate that the officers, whose names I don't even know, were not doing their jobs or that they did not respond as fast as they could. I do not have criticism of the officers, but the question for the public officials that now want to deflect this media attention, why are you not providing more resources to your officers? It is inexcusable that they took so long to intervene. Clearly the officers that we have cannot be everywhere at once. But your public officials have failed us by not providing more officers. Perhaps the presence of law enforcement would have facilitated a different outcome.

Self-reflect and do better. Weldon is definitely not going to love the timeline on this one. He called 911 at 554 PM and 18 seconds. And we didn't realize this before. He got this response. It took them 24 seconds to get to Weldon, but man, listen to that acceleration, huh? It sounded like Weldon was flooring it. It sounded like he was, I don't know, giving chase. This was about 2.7 miles away from the turn at Camp Swamp.

And it was eight seconds after that dopey dispatcher answered, remember him, and Weldon said, "'If he keeps this up, I'm going to shoot him. Eight seconds into the call. Then less than three minutes into the call, Weldon told the dispatcher that there was about to be an effing shootout dude. And 16 seconds after that, Weldon started shooting. The police were there less than eight minutes after Weldon ended the call with 911. Weldon's expectation that the police should have intervened before he shot Scott is delusional.

Given that 1. he had already been chasing Scott for about seven miles at the point he called 911. 2. we would argue that Weldon seemed like a man who felt that Scott displaying his weapon on the road miles earlier meant that Weldon had broad legal permission to engage in a shootout. And three, I mean, zoom, zoom, you heard that acceleration. Weldon was chasing Scott. It wasn't the lack of police resources, Weldon,

but nice try. Okay, so the first officer at the scene was Kerry, shh, Weldon,don don't speak Higgs. According to his body camera footage, witnesses number two and three were on highway nine at the intersection of Camp Swamp standing near their vehicle. According to our timeline, witness number two was still on the phone with 911. There was also a man nearby on the phone on Camp Swamp Road. It's not clear who he was, but on Weldon's call with his mama, you can hear Weldon ask a man if he had seen what happened and the man said no. This is likely that guy.

As Higgs approached Weldon's truck, you can see witness number three standing off to the left about parallel with Scott's truck and Scott's open truck door where his body was visible. Bradley is standing off to the right right outside the passenger door of Weldon's truck and Bradley is talking to witness number four. As Higgs approached them Bradley loudly yelled out Weldon's name indicating that Weldon was not close to Bradley and raising this question where was old Weldon and was Bradley trying to warn him

that a police officer was now on the scene? This is an important question because it speaks to the integrity of the crime scene and what was in and around Scott's truck by the time investigators got there, meaning the single shell casing near Scott's front driver's side tire, which Weldon, who shot every bullet from inside his truck, had too, and meaning the bag of steroids allegedly found in Scott's truck. Again, Scott's toxicology

did not confirm steroid use despite Horry County Deputy Police Chief Brandon Strickland's and Weldon's assertions that Scott was a roid-raging druggy. At any rate, we know that by 6.03 and four seconds, about 34 seconds after ending the call with 9-1-1, Weldon told his mother, I just killed somebody. Based on witness number two's call with 9-1-1, we also know that after ending that call, Weldon was talking to other witnesses. In the background of number two's call, Weldon was talking to other witnesses in the background of number two's call. You can hear Weldon sharing his story that Scott got out of his truck, racked his gun and shot at them and had pointed the gun at them on highway 9. This is all to say that it appears that at this point Weldon had already been to Scott's truck, which is very interesting because, well, Weldon

took at least one photo of Scott's body and that photo has metadata on it indicating that Weldon was also at Scott's truck at 6.05 and 57 seconds. So that would be two times that Weldon seems to have gone to Scott's truck before police arrived. About two minutes after that, witness number two told 911 that Weldon had gone over to Scott's truck and confirmed that Scott was dead. The dispatcher told number two to make sure that there was no one touching anything. Just over a minute later, witness number two said this to Weldon. They said he's the thief. They don't want us to go near the truck and touch anything. Was witness number two just sharing that information with Weldon out of

obligation to the dispatcher? Or did he tell him that because he had just seen Weldon go back to his truck? Because seconds after that is when Officer Higgs arrived. And on Higgs' video, you can see Weldon emerge from somewhere near witness number three. Which, if Weldon was coming from the area of Scott's truck, as it seems he was, then that would make three times

that Weldon was around Scott's truck. When Weldon reached Higgs, here is how that went down. What's going on? I had to shoot him. He... All right, give me a second. They saw everything. He held a gun to us on the interstate.

He ran us off the front. We were calling. I was taking pictures of his license plate. When I turned in here, he got out of that truck, had his pistol, he racked it, aimed and shocked. Me and Bradley started shooting back. I mean, I can't, he was shooting at us. Why would he do that?

I have no idea. They saw everything right there. Are you guys hurt? No, we're good. He's deceased. We. Why would he do that? I have no idea. They saw everything right there. You guys heard? No, we're good. He's deceased. We follow him. We follow him all the way to the beach. He did it all the way.

They saw him. I got my pistol. You want my pistol? Where's that? It's right here. Weldon, of course, overstated the extent to which witnesses two and three were backing up his story. By the way, that was witness number three at the end who said, yeah,

we all saw that, which they did not. We'll get into that in a second. Higgs took Weldon's pistol, but didn't read Weldon or Bradley Thermeranda writes. So I'm a veteran. I didn't, I did not do this. I did not. Well, I shot him, but he shot us first. He shot at you? He shot 100%. I was trying to back up and get away and then he started discharging the firearm. Remember when he shot you?

Yeah, he had his hand out the window. Yeah, he was aiming it at us on the road. Yeah, she saw the gun. He was aiming it at us on the road. That's witness three and four saying not that they had seen Scott with a gun, but they saw him with his hand outside the window. Again, hold onto that because I wanna share this funny part. Higgs went into his vehicle and tossed Weldon's pistol

onto the driver's seat with the energy of someone having a really annoying day at work. As he passed Weldon again, here is what happened. Officer Kerry Higgs, is that you? The same guy who was later caught on camera giving Weldon legal advice and telling him to be quiet until they have the timeline and chronology ready for him?

Anyway, Higgs allowed Weldon and Bradley to continue sharing their narrative with witnesses number three and four while he went down to check on Scott. And his test as to whether Scott had died? He poked Scott in the butt. And when Scott didn't move, well, that was enough for Higgs. As Higgs returned to his vehicle, Weldon, who was on the phone, approached him again and said, we've got a bunch of witnesses

who saw him pulling the gun at us and run us off the road. They saw all of it. Again, no. No one saw all of it. And not one of them saw the shooting shooting and there were five witnesses at that point Five not a bunch and officer Kerry Higgs had spoken to one of them directly and yet Here is how he reported back to dispatch. I Got multiple victims

Witnesses stating that the victim had jumped or jumped out and French pistol shot at them and then jumped back in his vehicle and then he shot back. He's stating as fact something that Weldon told him, not what he himself had obtained from the witnesses. Weldon had almost eight minutes before Higgs arrived at the scene and that gave him time to visit Scott's truck multiple times and spread his narrative to the witnesses. Remember on the 911 call with witness number two, that distinct change that happened

that we talked about last week? Before Weldon and witnesses number three and four had spoken to him, his story was that Scott was the victim and Weldon had unloaded his mag on him. Witness number two didn't see Scott aim the pistol. He saw a pistol with a locked back slide in Scott's hand. It wasn't until the bullet started flying that he saw Scott start to raise his gun. At the same time, he saw Scott get hit with a bullet in his side view mirror.

Then Weldon and witnesses number three and four reframed that for him. And witness number two told 911 that he didn't know who was right or wrong, but both Scott and Weldon were shooting at each other. So let's talk about witnesses number three and four and what they saw and did and how Weldon's assertions at the scene seemed to reframe and explain what they had seen on Highway 9. And how those assertions then bled over to witness number two who was on the phone getting that information from witnesses three and four who had spoken to Weldon already. Because here's the thing, without knowing any details about what precipitated this tussle

on the highway between Scott and Weldon and this mysterious second white truck, it would be pretty hard to understand for certain what you were seeing when Scott was brake checking Weldon or when Scott displayed the gun out of his window with the slide back while driving in front of Weldon. As demonstrated in the 911 call with witness number two, Weldon sharing his narrative with the witnesses mattered quite a lot in terms of how they interpreted what they had seen earlier that evening. Again, witness number one also saw Scott with the pistol on Highway 9 and we will talk more

about her in the future. Okay, so witnesses number three and four are also a married couple. They were out visiting their granddaughter and running errands and had found themselves on Highway 9 on September 9, 2023 at about the same time that Scott Spivey and Weldon Boyd were. They did not witness the shooting. In fact, they didn't even hear the shots fired. They did, however, see Scott and Weldon driving on Highway 9 starting at around Bell and Bell. So when they drove past Camp Swamp Road, which Weldon should have done, by the way, but he did not do for reasons that varied depending on who he was talking to that evening

and after, they saw Scott's and Weldon's trucks stopped in the road. Witness number four told witness number three to turn around in case the occupants of those trucks needed help. After spending around an hour and a half with Weldon and Bradley and their version of the truth, witness number three sat for an interview with Detective Treshawn McQueen. I'm going to share the notable parts of that interview. Before Detective McQueen could question him though, witness number three started speaking. But this other thing that they just told you was repetitive. Okay. I kept getting in front of them, slowing down, stopping. Not stopping, slowing them down, and they tried to get back around.

He'd take off, and then sometime they'd get by him and he'd end up back behind them, and he'd run back up behind them and back around them if I cost it. Did you notice how he said this other thing that they just told you? As if he was referring to another conversation that happened on Highway 9? Who is they? Would they be Weldon and Bradley?

Was witness number three present for that? More on that after a quick commercial. We'll be right back. When you're a forward thinker, the only thing you're afraid of is business as usual. Workday is the AI platform that transforms the way you manage your people and money today so you can transform tomorrow. Workday, moving business forever forward. So after getting witness number three's personal information, Detective McQueen asked witness number three to tell him what he had seen on highway nine.

Well, the black truck passed us kind of crazy. He ran right up on the bumper and he whipped over there and there was another car over there and he whipped back over there. He was driving fast and the raddocks. So he got up to this truck and he got on their bumper and was just kind of sitting there on their bumper right on them and then he whipped out and went around them, passed them, got in front of them and then throw him on brakes. I took a police stop and slowed him down. But then he kind of took on back off.

This happened, what I'm going to say here, happened several times. All the way from there to here, that's 10 miles away. Detective McQueen then asked him if he had seen Scott do this to other vehicles. No, the only one we were suspicious of was there was another white truck or a white gray, one or the other, that kind of mimicked him. He would go, whatever the black truck did, they speed up, he'd haul tail right up behind the truck too. And we were saying, is that man with him or with the other man or what's he doing? But never seen him do nothing wrong with him.

He was driving his brandy. But the cut to the chase, every time these guys tried to do anything, the truck did the opposite. He would take off, they would try to get some speed up, and he'd run up, get in front of them, throw them right, slow them back down. And then he got back over another lane, and they started trying to get beside him, and he just come right over and ran them down into media. They were down to the flat part of the media, and he sped up. They come back out and they started repeating the same thing. It's not clear who witness number three meant when he said he didn't see them do anything wrong

other than the way he was driving. And as you could hear, Detective McQueen did not ask for clarification on that. But what number three appears to be describing about what he initially had seen after Bell and Bell is basically a game of vehicular cat and mouse between Scott, Weldon, and this other truck. Then, when it's number three, brings up the gun. Then, they were, right after that, I think, he had a gun out the window. The black truck? The black truck, yeah. Okay. And my wife said that he had it out the window.

Was he on a passenger? Did he have it out the driver's side? Out this window. Okay, so he was passing them on the right? Yeah, and pointing at them. Okay. And so. Okay, let's break that down.

Witness number three said, I think Scott had a gun out the window. Then says, my wife said he had it out the window. Meaning he didn't see this himself as he claimed earlier to Weldon in front of Officer Higgs. Then, witness number three says it again, that Scott had a gun out the window and was pointing it at Weldon.

Something Weldon said he had photos of, by the way, and didn't. There are no photos of Scott pointing his gun at anyone. But it's wild, right? Witnesses three and four did not see a gun in Scott's hand. Witness number four saw Scott's hand out the window. But now, after spending time with Weldon, Witness number three filled in the blank with Weldon's version of events. And they just kept on doing that.

They harassed him all the way from there. And we lost him right back down here in the red light. And we can still see him up ahead. But we lost him. So what happened from that red light to here, we don't know. So who is they? They harassed him, number three said. Does number three mean the other White Truck and Scott

harassed Weldon, or does he mean Weldon and Bradley harassed Scott? It's very confusing, and again, Detective McQueen did not ask for clarification. But the biggest takeaway there is, according to Witness Number 3's account, he only saw half of whatever was happening between Scott and Weldon. The red light that he referred to there, the one where they had lost sight of Scott and Weldon, was five miles away from Camp Swamp Road.

This was around when witness number one called 911 and before Weldon called 911. And it's also before Weldon took those photos of Scott showing the gun pointed in the air out of his window. Like we said, witnesses number three and four drove past Camp Swamp Road and then doubled back because they wanted to make sure everyone was okay. We came back because we knew this fellow in the black truck was acting like this. I mean,

he was dangerous. Okay. I mean, very, very dangerous to these people in the white truck. Okay. Did we mention this couple is from Loris? Now, listen carefully to this phone call that Weldon made shortly after getting off the phone with 911. It appears that the person he was calling didn't answer, but Weldon's handy-dandy recording

app on his phone recorded what he was saying as he was making that call. What's your name? Weldon Boyd. Weldon Boyd. Weldon Boyd. Why not Bonnie Bay Road? I just bought that farm. I'm taking my couches to my darn farm and this guy does this. Bonnie Bay the art can. Aww. New neighbors making friends. Anyway, what witness number three said he saw was five miles of high-speed shenanigans between Scott, Weldon, and the other white truck.

It's notable that those five miles were the more populated area of Highway 9, with more stop lights and presumably more traffic, but I have no doubt that what the three of them were doing was dangerous and probably very annoying. But notice I said three. You can't cat and mouse without a cat AND mouse. Or mice and cats. whatever the case may be. The point is, witness number three, who again, spent a lot of time listening to Weldon's assertions about what went down, according to Weldon, pieced together what he saw on

Highway Nine, a situation in which he couldn't possibly know who the actual aggressor and retaliator were, but still, a situation with participants. Not just Scott. Because again, remember how number three said Scott would get in front of Weldon, break check him, and then speed off? How did they reconnect if Weldon wasn't speeding up to catch up with him again? By the way, you know how Weldon told the 911 dispatcher that he was going to follow Scott onto Camp Swamp and there's about to be a shootout, dude.

But then to people at the scene and to his bestie, Brandon Strickland and others, he said he pulled off onto Camp Swamp to check his trailer when he got ambushed by Scott. If witnesses number three and four saw Weldon get run off the road, then that means that happened at least five miles from Camp Swamp. Actually, Lunashark reporter and researcher Beth Braden made a map. It's about five point three miles from Camp Swamp Road. Quite the distance to go without checking your trailer, son. OK, there's one more very interesting thing that witness number three said.

But first, I want to have David read his written statement. He wrote this right after his interview with Detective McQueen and it might be subtle, but it's still notable. It seems like with each retelling of what he supposedly had seen, number three is further adopting the story that he had seen a gun in Scott's hand. Notice how he says the two kept passing each other. Shortly after Bell and Bell Highway 9 West, a black Chevy passed us fast, driving erratic in and out lanes, got passed by white Dodge in front, and slammed brakes causing all traffic to slow down. Those two kept passing each other with Black Truck always being aggressive. Even ran White Truck and trailer into grass median.

I saw hand of driver of Black Truck out window pointing gun at White Truck. This behavior was all the way to Red Light at 905 Longs. I was stopped at red light. Came to Camp Swamp Road, glanced and saw the two trucks stopped on Camp Swamp Road. Decided to turn around as we felt something went down. Shooting had already happened. I did not witness this. The two kept passing each other with the black truck always being aggressive. That may be, but again, Weldon could have backed off. And that's clearly not what he did according to witness number three. Yet he was stressing that it was Scott and not Weldon. We've also gone from

witness number three thinking that Scott had a gun out the window to his wife who was the one who saw Scott's hand out the window, to knowing Scott pointed a gun out the window, but Detective McQueen not clarifying who saw that. To now definitively, this is what witness number three saw. The gun wasn't just pointed, It was now pointed at Weldon Okay back to our point that Weldon could have backed off Here is the interesting thing witness number three said to detective McQueen We tried to be fair the boy in the black truck was

We're trying to be fair. The boy in the black truck was, as I know the law, he could have shot him back under. He was pulling a gun at him and running him off the road and everything, threatening his life, I guess you'd say. I guess that kind of, I don't know the law exactly. But the only question we had was, the black truck turned off here, why did the white truck, the boy in the white truck said he pulled off to check his load. Well, why would he wanna keep on following that truck? If he was gonna check his load, and he was going lower,

just leave it alone and go on the lower. That was the only thing that got a little bit, that was the only thing cresting in our mind. But, this guy was not doing anything. We didn't see this guy in the white truck do or instigate anything. The truck was always after him. Always. And then back, they say where it started at. We don't know what happened all the way back there to get it started. But we know during the main thing that would go along. You don't say.

Witness number three, did Weldon take that turn? Maybe Weldon had a right to shoot Scott. If Scott did, in fact, point a weapon at him five miles back. But now, after following him? Huh. Okay. So what does witness number three's wife have to say about all of this? She was being interviewed around this time by detective Mark Martin.

Alright, walk me through. Where did this all start beginning for you? Close to Bell and Bell maybe. Okay. What happened there? We were coming south, is that it? We were coming west. West, yeah.

Down 9. We were just, we were, yeah. Down nine. We were at a red light at Bell and Bell. We came on through. We were past Colonial Chargers. I think this white truck and trailer passed us. You know, and a little while later, this black truck came flying by us

Got in front of the white truck and started hitting brakes hitting brakes hitting brakes Going and the white truck was trying to change lanes to look you know We were back probably three or four cars back. We didn't ever when we seen it going on We kind of held back a little bit And it would just kept on kept on kept, all the way up to the red light at Longs. Okay, so would you feel like that white truck was trying to get away from the black truck? The white truck would move over, the black truck would block him off. The white truck would move over, the black truck would block him off and hit brakes to where traffic, all

the traffic, you could see brake lights. The white truck we seen was ran into the median. He was on the grass on the left hand side in the median where I don't know how it happened. The black truck was ahead of him. I know that. And the white truck with the trailer had to go in the median and the trailer was all out of control and he did save it and got it back on the road. Then it was that that just went on for a long time. The black truck and the white truck would back up and try to change lanes and that black truck would just block him off. We got stopped at the red light at Longs. Okay, so again, that is the cat and mouse game that occurred during the first five or so miles between Scott and Weldon. Notice that witness number four didn't mention the second white truck.

And also, we have to wonder if she and her husband had never spoken to Weldon at all and later found out about this incident, would they have characterized what they saw in the same way? about this incident, would they have characterized what they saw in the same way? Where they described two trucks tussling but note that the black truck was the bad guy and the white truck was the good guy. Because absent Weldon's account, wouldn't that just look like two idiot country boys being reckless without knowing how it started? And could it maybe also be seen as Scott brake-checking Weldon to keep him off his tail to give the signal to stop chasing him? And couldn't Scott changing lanes also

be an indicator of that? All right, let's see what number four has to say about seeing the gun in Scott's hand pointed out the window at Weldon as her husband had recounted in his written statement. Yeah, yeah, that's yeah. So you didn't see the actual shooting? No, no. We seen the boy's hand in the black truck out the window at one time. Now we were at a distance, but we did see his hand go out the window. Now we were, like I said, kind of far back, but... Did he present any weapons to you or anything?

Did he do any road rage to you? The black truck? Other than flying by. Okay. Alrighty. Oh. Huh. She doesn't say that she saw a gun in Scott's hand

or that he had pointed it at Weldon. In fact, she said, we've seen the boy's hand out the window from a distance and kind of far back. At the scene, number four is heard saying basically the same thing. Yes, we saw his hand go out the window, not gun, not gun pointed, not gun pointed at the white truck. And she maintains the same narrative to the least interested detective out there who asked only a few questions, all of which were about what Scott did and none of which were about what Weldon might have done. Which if Weldon weren't Weldon, you better believe these investigators would have been

asking more questions about what the white truck did. This may be gauche to say, but witness number four is significantly younger than her husband's. And no shade there. Love is love. The point is number four consistently states she saw Scott's hand out the window and not one officer asked her the follow-up. Did you see a gun in his hand? Did you see him point a weapon at the white truck?

Did you see him pointed at anyone else on the road? Nope. They didn't ask those questions, did they? Why? Because they probably didn't want the answers. Witness number four didn't write a witness statement. Her interview also wasn't video recorded. It was just audio recorded.

The detective wrote her statement for her though. Here's David with that. I interviewed witness number four and she stated that her and her husband were driving on highway nine and they saw the white truck with a trailer past them. Then a black truck driving fast behind the white truck. Monica stated that the white truck was trying to get away from the black truck, but the black truck kept cutting them off. That does not sound familiar. Let's play that part of number four's interview one more time. I think this white truck and trailer passed us, you know, and a little while later this black truck came flying by us. I think we saw Weldon's truck and

a little while later Scott's truck came flying by us. As always, it's amazing to see every subtle way Horry County Police Department gave Weldon Boyd's version of the truth more weight, and how they did next to nothing when it came to treating Weldon as a potential suspect in a homicide case. He got to ingratiate himself to everyone at the scene. He repeatedly lied, saying all these witnesses saw the whole thing, when the truth is that none of them actually did. And even pieced together, their accounts don't add up to the story that Weldon wanted to be true. Horry County Police Department, 15th Circuit Solicitor Jimmy Richardson, SLED and South Carolina

Attorney General Allen Wilson's office, specifically, Prosecutor Heather Weiss. All should have seen the same thing during their so-called investigation through the evidence. But it is hard to see things with your eyes shut, isn't it? We have so much more to tell you about this case. In the meantime, justice for Scott Spivey and the Spivey family and all of the families out there going through similar situations. Again, jury selection for the Calugie case starts on Monday, and Soak Up The Sun Premium members will have access

to watch the trial live with the whole team next week. Until then, stay tuned, stay pesky, and stay in the sunlight. True Sunlight is a Lunashark production created by me, Mandy Matney. Co-hosted and reported by journalist Liz Farrell. Research support provided by Beth Braden, audio production support provided by Jamie Hoffman, case file management provided by Kate Thomas. Learn more about our mission and membership at lunasharkmedia.com.

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