Murdaugh Murders Podcast - TSP #114 - Weldon Boyd’s Story About Killing Scott Spivey Wasn’t Adding Up So Horry County Police Helped Him with His Math

Episode Date: September 4, 2025

It’s a surreal week for us at True Sunlight and LUNASHARK. On October 15th, the story that began here as the Murdaugh Murders Podcast will premiere worldwide as Murdaugh: Death in the Family on Hulu and Disney+. Seeing Mallory, Gloria,, Stephen, Maggie and Paul’s stories honored on screen is bittersweet — a reminder of the victims at the heart of all of this. While that project brings global attention to systemic corruption in South Carolina, we remain deeply rooted in the work of uncovering the truth.  Thanks to Liz Farrell’s intrepid reporting, Mandy Matney and Liz and review the 18-minute interview Horry County Police Department had with North Myrtle Beach businessman Weldon Boyd, who — along with his friend Bradley Williams — shot and killed 33-year-old Scott Spivey on Sept. 9, 2023, in Loris, South Carolina.  Despite inconsistencies between Weldon’s 911 call (that they listened to as a group before Weldon was read his rights) the lead investigator in the case, Alan Jones, showed no interest in getting to the bottom of what actually happened that night with Scott. It is yet another example of Horry County Police doing their best to protect Weldon Boyd from being criminally charged in and civilly liable for Scott’s death. So much to cover, so let’s dive in! 🥽🦈 Episode References “First look at Murdaugh: Death In the Family shows Patricia Arquette in true crime 'cautionary tale' (exclusive)” - Entertainment Weekly, Sept 3, 2025📣 Follow Murdaugh: Death in the Family’s Instagram page ⬅️ See how Mandy & Liz reacted to Entertainment Weekly’s big announcement! 🎉 “Horry County Officer Writes "ACT LIKE A VICTIM - CAMERA" On Note To Homicide Suspects” Video 🎞️ Referenced Past Episodes: TSP 113 🎧 Stay Tuned, Stay Pesky and Stay in the Sunlight...☀️ Learn more about Premium Membership at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lunashark.supercast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to get bonus episodes like our Premium Dives, Corruption Watchlist, Girl Talk, and Soundbites that help you Stay Pesky and Stay in the Sunlight Here's a link to some of our favorite things: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4cJ0eVn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ *** ALERT: If you ever notice audio errors in the pod, email ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and we'll send fun merch to the first listener that finds something that needs to be adjusted! *** For current & accurate updates: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lunashark.supercast.com⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram.com/mandy_matney⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠   |   ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram.com/elizfarrell⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠   ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠bsky.app/profile/mandy-matney.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠bsky.app/profile/elizfarrell.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TrueSunlight.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠facebook.com/TrueSunlightPodcast/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram.com/TrueSunlightPod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠youtube.com/@LunaSharkMedia⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠tiktok.com/@lunasharkmedia Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Only in theater September 5th. Hey there, E.B. here. Your faithful Cup of Justice co-host. I am so excited to tell you about my new book, Anything But Bland. In this memoir, I share stories about my childhood, marked by bullying, my father's job loss, and the indomitable spirit that propelled me into the law and ultimately international recognition during the Alex Murdole murder trial. I believe in certain life principles that have helped me and helped others. achieve success. From the power of organization and a sense of urgency to the importance of truth, leadership, and resilience. With vivid recollection from challenges and triumphs framing each chapter, success isn't about luck. It's earned through skill and hard work. Please visit theeericblan .com to learn more about the book, Anything But Bland is a manifesto for those seeking triumph over adversity and a guide for anyone aspiring to reach their full potential. I don't know how the Orie County police officers who interviewed Weldon Boyd on the night of Scott Spivey's death can still call themselves cops.

But y'all, this interview is one of the most stunning examples of police incompetence slash corruption that we have ever seen. And I hope that this podcast exposes the disgusting malpractice that took place. place in this investigation and leads to accountability and change. My name is Mandy Matney. This is True Sunlight, a podcast exposing crime and corruption, previously known as the Murdoch Murdoch Murders podcast, which inspired Hulu's original series Murdoch, Death and the Family, premiering on October 15th on Hulu and Disney Plus. True Sunlight is a Luna Shark production written with

journalist Liz Ferrell. Hello and happy Thursday from Hollywood, California. If you follow us on social media, I'm sure you heard the news, but I want to repeat it again. The series that inspired the Murdoch Murders podcast will be called Murdoch Death in the Family and premieres with three episodes on October 15th, with a new episode releasing every Wednesday until the finale premieres on November 19th on Hulu and Disney Plus. Entertainment Weekly released the first-look images from the series, and y'all. Check the link in the description and be prepared to be mesmerized

by images showing Jason Clark's scarily stunning transformation into Elic Murdoch, Patricia Arquette as Maggie Murdoch, Johnny Burchtold as Paul Murdoch, Will Harrison as Buster Murdoch and Britney Snow as well, Me? Wow, that is still wild to say. The Entertainment Weekly Story in The Link features quotes from our showrunner, South Carolina native Michael D. Fuller. In the star of the show, Patricia Arquette, honestly, I loved every word of this article,

but I want to have David read two of my favorite parts to give y'all a feel for what the show will really be like and one it won't. Co-creator and showrunner Michael D. Fuller grew up about an hour away from where the powerful Murdoch family lived, so he, quote, felt a sense of duty and responsibility, end quote, to tell the story of the podcast on a larger scale as a scripted show after it got the Lifetime Movie Treatment. He tells EW Entertainment Weekly that the series follows the true story pretty closely, with only minor adjustments to help the narrative flow. Quote, we always wanted to approach everything with an abundance of sensitivity.

These are very recent events, and the people who have survived this story or were directly impacted by this story are still, for the most part, very much alive. Fuller says, we made sure we're approaching everything with that consideration, that these are or were human beings, who now have surviving family members, and that extends to the themselves, and wanting to understand their story as much as we could." The article continues, what really pulled Arquette in was the idea of exploring how Alex spun a web of lies and manipulation that trapped Maggie throughout their entire marriage. Quote, I'm not a therapist, but she's with a sociopathic narcissist and is not aware at all

of who she's with. quote. Arquette says, it's a nightmare. People like that are very charming and full of life, and they lure you into this sense of safety and this illusion that you know who they are, and there's this whole other side that they're hiding. When they met, they were in college. She was a kid, and so she was slowly conditioned to accept this crazy, wild behavior. And the family would clean everything up because, quote, boys will be boys. Click the link in the description for full article. And thank you to Entertainment Weekly for covering this necessary story. I have said this before, but I will say it again. At the end of the day, Maggie and Paul Murdoch were victims of Ellick Murdoch. If I could turn back time, that is the one thing that I would change about my podcast, being kinder to both of them and their legacy. The series will honor them and will empathetically explore what actually led to their demise in the way that the podcast,

never did. I am so proud to be a part of that, and I cannot wait for you to see it. And I mean those of you who have been listening to us throughout every step of this journey. Speaking of the journey, as we said in a previous podcast, our team has been working hard on the official companion podcast of this series, and we are currently in LA doing interviews for that. I can't wait to share more on that, but that said, I want to take a moment to give journalist Liz Farrell the proper praise that she deserves. Y'all know this, but Liz has been essential to this podcast from the very beginning. Back in 2019, she was a machine pushing for transparency and answers when Mallory Beach was killed in the boat crash. She always saw the big picture

of the Murdoch story. And even when she wasn't in journalism for a slight moment of time, worked behind the scenes to push me to expose the truth in the case. Liz has an impeccable knack for striking the right tone in complicated corruption stories, for developing trustworthy relationships with sources who move the meter, for her genius application of FOIA and teaching our team all of the ways to find information, for combing through the toughest details of a story and explaining to the audience in a way that makes them actually want to take action. And for truly caring about justice and victims in a way that most journalists do not. Liz is the one who found the Spivey story and advocated for our focus on it.

I'll never forget that first phone call when she told David and I what she found out in her initial reporting on the case. She is the one who has collected all of the exclusive information and spent countless, countless hours strategically sorting through the biggest case file we have ever received so that we can expose all the layers of corruption in the case one week at a time. She is the one who literally constantly is working on this case and on this story and finding bits of incredibly shocking information from Ory County's pathetic investigation. Liz Farrell is an absolute queen of journalism and she never gets enough credit for the work that she does, especially during weeks like this when we are traveling and tackling other

projects. Thank you, Liz. And speaking of shocking information in the Spivey case, Liz uncovered a doozy with Weldon's police interview on the night that Scott Spivey was killed. Let's dive in. Today we're going to share Orie County Police Department's gentle and soothing interview of Weldon Boyd, the North Myrtle Beach businessman who shot and killed 33-year-old Scott Spivey on September 9th, 2023, in an alleged road rage case in Loris, South Carolina. Weldon, as you know,

was well connected with the police department and, as it turns out, the 15th Circuit Solicitor's Office. As a result, the investigation into Scott's death was, from the very start, crafted in a way so as to make sure that all roads would lead to this being a case of self-defense,

sparing Weldon and his co-shooter and best friend Bradley Williams of being charged. Not only did the police department conspire to help Weldon and Bradley escape criminal charges, they were, again, from the very, very start, also doing things to help Weldon and Bradley in the event that Scott's family sued them for wrongful death, and that's according to recorded phone calls from the case file. So at around 8.45 p.m., almost three hours after Scott was killed, Weldon and Bradley were transported to the North precinct in Long's, South Carolina,

which is just 12 minutes from the scene of the shooting. They were seated at the center of a large office. In the room were Weldon's and allegedly Bradley's attorney, Ken Moss. Two prosecutors from 15th Circuit Solicitor Jimmy Richardson's office, and those two prosecutors were George DeBusk and Dylan Bagnall. Two Ory County Police Detectives. There was Alan Jones, who is one of the right people sent to Weldon by Weldon's other bestie deputy chief Brandon Strickland and Mark

Martin, as well as Ori County Lieutenant Doug Dishong, who we need to talk about. Dishong showed up at the scene at 644 that evening, and at first seemed to be the voice of reason, as he got briefings from Officer Damon Viscovy, the one who asked to speak to Weldon's attorney on the phone and then immediately told Weldon to act like a victim right afterward, and Officer Kerry Higgs, who is the one who told Weldon to stop talking in case his story didn't match later, and who made the universal sign for Zipit to Weldon. as Weldon continued to talk. Perhaps not realizing that Viscovy's body camera and dash cam were watching.

It was Dishong who saw a small group of fire rescue employees hanging out behind the inner crime scene tape and was like, um, why? Here's audio of that briefing from Viscove's body camera. To keep the voices straight, the more confident flat voice is Dishong. There's a very faint hint of a twang to it, at least to my ear. The voice that sounds like no disrespect here, but Porky Pig is Viscovy. It starts out with Viscovy telling Dishong

where Weldon and Bradley were. I didn't put him in the same. No, no, he's fine. And I got him sitting on the back. He was cold with me, she was a guy I'm out. He's like, I got him on the back of his own truck. On the back of his trailer? Where's his fighter?

It's, he got it. Okay, so the two that's on the trailer, we're waiting for CID and stuff. Let's make you know. They're not here yet. No, no. Okay. Let me tell Mark to just tell the lawyer to hang tight. He's not the client's not big question. He's on the phone, right? I told him. I actually called him. Oh, the lawyer? Yes. Okay. I just don't want him up here in the house. I told him to wait. I said, uh...

Ah, thank you, Lieutenant Deshaun. Remember, Baskovey took the phone from Weldon at 626 p.m. and told Ken to call him when he was close to the scene so Viscovy had to radio the guys at the checkpoint, presumably to let Ken in, which Viscovy forgot to do. Officer Tyler Sear stopped Ken at the checkpoint 15 minutes later and radioed to Viscovy to tell him that ORI Electric was there, referring to Kin Moss for some reason. Sources tell us that Kin, who is the general counsel for ORI Electric, has denied representing himself as an ORI Electric employee. saying that the officer jumped to conclusions based on the Ori Electric Polo shirt he was wearing that evening. Of course, we can't verify that because Tyler Sears body cam footage is missing,

at least from the case file that Ory County Police Department gave to Scott's sister, Jennifer Spivey Folly. So that's yet another piece of key evidence that is conveniently missing. Curious how that works, huh? It feels like someone would want to get that footage to show that there was nothing weird going on there. And yet, they have not. Anyway, Deshong was right. Ken Moss did not belong at the scene. But it's really interesting how Ken Moss did end up right there after Deshong tells Viscovy to shut off his camera around 7.05 p.m.

And Viscovy then tells Higgs to do the same. We know Ken was there. Because we can see him drive away from the checkpoint on the patrol officer's body camera 10 minutes later. And then six minutes after that, we can see him wander into the frame of Blaze's interview video, which was taken inside a detective's vehicle. You can see him in the back window walking around and talking on the phone with someone. Back to Deshong and Viscovy. Desheng told Viscovy,

call Mark, a reference to Officer Mark Johnson, who was down by the checkpoint where Ken Moll. and Weldon's parents were waiting, and to get another unit to block that part of the road. Viscovy, as we are learning, is typical for Viscovy, called the wrong mark at first. Hello. Markle.

Hey. Who is this? Who? She said, I think swathed the driver. He's right. He got to have to go. Oh, Jesus. Yeah.

He's going to have to wait. I was already talking. Is that Mark? Yeah. Okay, that's what I was trying to call. Yeah. He's going to have to wait until CID gets here. Let him know that his cry is not being in question.

He's just sitting here. We got him. He's not even in handcuffs. He's just sitting here on the back of the tailgoat. And I told him as soon as we get a chance and opportunity, CID gets here in a situation that they want him to come up there and talk to all that all. All right. Appreciate it.

I'm like, dude, what the hell, man? My phone will not stop bringing it. You haven't know what you got here. Anything else I can deal with. DeShang continued to be briefed on the situation. Okay, I thought all the crime scene's further down. No, no, no, no. Okay.

Crime scene is from bail and bail to right where you see. Yeah. He's been just brandished. When did he actually? He supposedly shot at the truck somewhere along the way now and run them off the road. somewhere around Aberdeen. So this is infuriating. First, I think it's telling how Dishong

when trying to ascertain what the boundary of the crime scene was says, I thought he just brandished the weapon on Highway 9. It's that word just that seems important because a lieutenant at Orie County Police was minimizing the act of Scott brandishing a weapon on Highway 9.

Meanwhile, South Carolina Attorney General Alan Wilson and his prosecutor Heather Weiss, continue to maintain that they didn't charge Weldon and Bradley because Scott had brandished his weapon on Highway 9, even though they don't and can't know for sure whether Scott showed the weapon first or if Weldon or someone else did. That, they say, is enough to apply the citizen's arrest law to what Weldon did. Okay, second, Damon Dipsy-Doodle Viscovy had been at this scene for almost 30 minutes at that point. He briefly spoke with witnesses number two and and Witness No. 2's story had changed from what he had said to 911 20 minutes before,

as in the story now had Weldon's flare included. It originally was reported as Weldon being the aggressor and unloading his gun on Scott, who had the slide back on his gun and wasn't aiming it. In the 911 call, the only person witness number two said was aiming a gun was Weldon. But now, after speaking to Weldon, the account was becoming more. ambiguous and pointed more to Weldon being the victim. Shortly after that, Viscovy told Ken Moss, the attorney, that it was looking like self-defense for Weldon. And right as Dishong was getting out of his truck and trying to get his bearings, Viscovy told Dishong that it was cut and dry, self-defense. And yet, clearly had no idea what he was talking about. Scott shot at Weldon's

truck on Highway 9? That didn't happen. Viscovy had the facts wrong, but was certain about the conclusion he had drawn after just 30 minutes of him being there and only briefly speaking to witnesses. Amazing how these guys operate. Back to the scene. Run this truck off the road. That was per which she said it was right at the pool line, right before the pooled line. Yeah, that'd be right around everything on top. So I didn't want to block the entire stretch. No, we can't.

But preliminarily, I just said right there cut it all. That's right. You know, that's fine. I mean, it sounds cut and rock. Yeah. So. It does, based on what, DeShong? Also, getting run off the road isn't a reason to execute someone.

And you said yourself, DeShong, I thought he just brandished the weapon, which was correct. How can you? you say something is cut and dry when you only have the word of the shooter and the witnesses that he talked to, allegedly begging for their help while waiting for y'all to get there, according to Weldon's recorded phone calls. Well, you know what's weird? I know that guy's dead. It's just so out of character.

He's a church-going guy. He had to doubt soon. That don't sound like him at all. We've reported on this before, but it's interesting how Vascovy facilitated between helping Weldon be seen as a victim while also puzzling over the plausibility of the story that Weldon was giving them. Okay, here is where Deschang reverts back to being a police lieutenant and actually starts to care about the clearly unmanaged crime scene. There is a fireman standing up there. Who's this guy walking out the street down here? They're on the same crew.

Oh, they don't need to be walking around. I don't know. Where's their truck yet? I don't know, but they don't need to be walking through the crime scene. There's no reason for the firefighters to be inside that'll take that. That's going to leave it. But, Brandon, nice. Can y'all back out?

Nothing for the scene. Dishong also got irritated when he saw that neither Viscovy nor Higgs had separated Weldon and Bradley from Witnesses number four. who were standing with the two shooters for more than an hour, listening to their version of what happened and using that to fill in the blanks of their limited perspective when they were on Highway 9. But there were also a couple of red flags with this guy.

For one, he sure didn't have a problem saying this, too, and in front of Weldon and Bradley. Yeah, the biggest thing is, dude, you can relax. We just don't want people walking around because we've got a crime sound. He's shot at us. You're good. You're good.

don't worry about it things happen you know i don't understand this one detective come up here we'll let your attorney come down here once he gets there if there's probably he's down there's there's probably skid marks from where he ran you in that ditch down there we're going to go we'll take it yeah just don't down all right ain't nobody said you did anything wrong okay just feel like you did don't you know yeah well i mean nobody wants to go through that that's right but you got understand you're here, we'll get through all this, okay? I don't know why I have to shoot on. Now, if y'all want to sit in your car or whatever, that's fine.

Just don't want everybody walking in and out and around. So Alan is on the way, CSI is on the way. It'll be... Okay. So, but no, good, yeah. We've shared that clip with you before. When Weldon calls his mother next, he uses that same phrase, cut and dry. As Viscovy and Dishong walked away, Viscovy told him he had a question.

And given that Viscovee is, I'm sorry, but a bird brain, it was a remarkable question. If Scott was the aggressor, how did he get in front of Weldon? Huh. Deschong came to the rescue and workshopped some ideas with Viscovee. Well, he was run off the road down here. He told me he fooled in because people wouldn't make sure. stuff on the back or strap down steel because he couldn't come off the road right then he comes in

right behind like trying to sure the truck didn't pass him and get in front of us stop him i don't think so you remember what did you what did your what did your witnesses see he said he pulled around and the dude was getting so these witnesses here don't know because they were coming in well let me ask you this though by the road name and stuff that guy cut him off turning in here he would end up behind. Yeah, but he wasn't coming. That's what he was saying. No, no, no, no.

But the black truck, if he, the black truck turned in here running him off of the road. Yeah, I mean, that's possible. Then he would end up in front of it. I don't know if it happened. Right. I understand that. But it's what I'm saying is what I'm getting with, the marks that shows he got run off the road here.

If that other guy was turning in here, that could have been what run him off the road, and he would end up behind. end up behind it. I'm just as a plausible scenario. But I mean, regardless, the why stops gets out and approaches you with a gun, what do you do? You know, I agree. I think it's such since all day long. Everything occurred the way the witnesses. I was just, I was trying to preliminarily get everything kind of tied in. I mean, who doesn't like to get everything preliminarily tied up before the investigator gets there and the investigation begins?

Was Viscovy bringing that up to say Weldon seems to be lying or to say, Weldon's going to need a story to account for that inconsistency? If Weldon was the victim, why was he behind Scott? More on that after a quick commercial break, and we'll be right back. Now, Dishong had a little scenario to offer that he believed would tie everything up. You know, maybe Scott had run Weldon off the road right there at Camp Swamp, and that's why he was able to hop in front of Weldon, which obviously didn't happen. And I'm actually really confused why Dishong's response to Viscovy wasn't.

Well, that's a great question. That will definitely need an answer, and I'm sure the investigators will get to the bottom of it. To me, that's how it should go. But no, Dishong seemed intent on showing Viscovy that, hey, things will add up, man. Look how easily I made things add up with that idea I pulled right out of the old Dishong dome. As far as Dishong's comment about what would you have done if you rounded a corner and there was a guy here with a gun, there's no way I'm letting that go without comment. The only reason there was a guy with a gun when Weldon turned the corner was because Weldon had been chasing him for miles on Highway 9 and recklessly took that turn onto a road he did not need to be on for any other purpose than to continue chasing Scott. And that is the point. Okay, so that's our beef with this song. And this is all to say that this stellar fact finder was in the room as Weldon was getting interviewed by Detective Alan Jones. And at this point, Bradley had been asked to leave the room, and as we told you last week, he simply went across the hall to another room, and the door to the room where Weldon was being interviewed was left open. So again, Weldon was at the center of this campfire story time,

and Alan Jones, the chief investigator, the taxpayer-funded guy who was supposed to care the most about what happens here, had his body facing mostly away from Weldon, and his arms crossed while sitting back in a chair in the foreground near the camera. And I have literally been around fifth graders who have asked more probing questions for their school newspaper project than this guy, who, by the way, look like he needed about a week's sleep and a daily intake goal for water. Okay, let's pick up where we left off and start right after Alan Jones played Weldon's 911 call to Weldon and his lawyer so that Weldon could use that to keep his facts straight

during the interview. You know, as investigators tend to do with people they're questioning about potential crime so that the person who committed the potential crime can keep things straight. The first voice you'll hear is Ken Moss making a dumb joke. The second voice is Alan Jones, and you all know Weldon's voice. Oh, also, I want to play a game. How far do you think Weldon Boyd will get into his police interview before we have to have David stop the recording so we can tell you that Weldon Boyd is exaggerating lying or getting a detail wrong so it's more in his favor. Okay, everyone just pick a ton, five seconds, 40 seconds, two minutes, whatever you think. Okay, start the interview.

That's the novel version. I do have a question. There's a guy that came up to you, what was he, but he said the guy on there, I can hear you saying, don't go anywhere who was that guy random car that was what kind of car was it and can you describe that gentleman it was the one I don't remember the type of car it was the man woman that y'all had parked on nine facing the beach okay that was not the car that was next to us the older people though the lady and man the white suburban it was the he was the first one to pull up and then that's

why he said he saw it I said, I said, please don't leave. Just please be here to talk to this one. Can you describe that fellow to me? He had the beard, I believe. Okay. And he said, I'm not going anywhere. I will tell them what happened.

And then I think he's also the one that told me that I guess before that truck got to me, he was driving sporadic. Stop. Weldon lasted 18 seconds. And I know by saying I think he didn't fully commit to the detail, but he still, has it wrong, which makes it a misstated detail in his favor. So it counts. Anyone who said under 20 seconds wins, and frankly I'm impressed with Weldon's stamina, my personal guess was that he would last four seconds. Say something inaccurate, collapse in a sweaty heap on the floor,

and then wake himself up with his own snoring. So Weldon is referring to Witnesses 2 and 3 here. Witnesses 2 and 3 did not see Scott driving at all, never mind driving erratically, which I believe is the word Weldon meant to use when he said sporadically. Again, any assessment of Scott's driving after he connected with Weldon and Bradley on Highway 9 would be in an interpretation but not a fact, because that observation would be without the context of what caused the road altercation to begin with between Scott and Weldon. We still don't know what started it,

and we don't know who started it. Also, anyone who saw them on Highway 9 could not have known at that point that Weldon considered himself to be, quote, on Scott's ass, according to a phone call that he later made with his mother, which could be a reason Scott was seen to be driving erratically, couldn't it?

Having two guys and an amped up truck on his ass, Anyway, witness number two is the one who witnessed the shooting on Camp Swamp Road. Witness number three saw nothing. Weldon also told his entourage in the police interview that he didn't know what Scott was doing before he and Bradley pulled out of tractor supply, which is notable because Weldon is also on the record as saying that he and Bradley had no interaction with Scott that early on, that it didn't start until around when Scott Bray checked Weldon and Weldon drove into the median, which was about six miles before Camp Swamp Road.

Okay, so Weldon's mention of witnesses reminds Detective Alan Jones that there are photos. He tells the group that they need to be taken as evidence and the room is quiet for a brief moment. And we all know how much Weldon seems to hate the quiet. And I imagine he really hated it at that moment because he knew that the photos, the evidence, all showed Scott in front of him at varying distances, and that's a problem. Or would it be a problem if the investigation wasn't already fixed at that point? But even Weldon didn't know at the time the Great Links, the Ory County Police Department, solicitor Jimmy Richardson and his office, Sled and Attorney General Alan Wilson. and one of his top prosecutors, Heather Wilson, would be willing to go for him. So, Weldon fills the silence with more details.

There was also one point that he switched to the far right lane and almost went off the road, and that's when he actually leaned out the window, and that's when he aimed at while I was still going down nine. He had just ran me off the road, and that's when I was trying to get back on the road, and he aimed it straight at me and looked down his arm. I think that's the point that I said that if I don't remember my exact words, but that's when I said like he's about to shoot or something like that. So looking at this group of men circled around for Weldon's show and tell performance, because as I'm sure you could have guessed,

Weldon did act out this possibly fantastical interaction in which Scott allegedly aimed the gun right at Weldon, quote, looking straight down his arm at him while driving down a highway. It makes me wonder if any of them were thinking to themselves, huh, that sounds like it's not real. Because, well, let me explain. First, I say possibly fantastical interaction because I don't know for sure what went down, obviously.

Maybe it did happen the way Weldon said it did. But it's hard to rely on his version of reality, you know? Second, there are things I do know, such as this. Scott break-checked Weldon on Highway 9. and break-checking is something that you generally do to warn the person behind you that they're driving too closely on your tail. People don't generally break-check each other for no reason. When Scott did this to Weldon, three witnesses saw Weldon drive into the slender median on the left side of the highway, which sometimes Weldon describes as a ditch, and I'm going to stick with my description, slender median.

According to witness number one, Blaze Adrian, and witnesses number four and five, this happened at a spot about six miles from where the shooting took place on Camp Swamp Road. Here Weldon is saying that when he was trying to get back on the road, Scott went to the far right lane and almost ran off the road himself, which is interesting because there are no far right lanes in that area. There are only two lanes in either direction on this highway. What there are, though, are turning lanes. For instance, 360 feet from where Weldon was apparently run into the median,

there's a short extra lane for vehicles to use if they're taking a turn. Let's think that one through, okay? If Weldon is trying to get back on the road, that he barely left, and Scott continues to drive, that would give Scott some distance on Weldon, right? So either it didn't take much for Weldon to get back on the road, or he just naturally caught up to Scott, which would mean that Weldon was exaggerating about how bad it was. Wellden purposely sped up to catch up to Scott because for Weldon to witness Scott leaning out of the truck and aiming the gun at Weldon and looking at Weldon down the length of his arm.

After being run off the road, Weldon would have been there to see it, right? And if Weldon perceived the lane that Scott was in as a far right lane, then presumably it would be a spot where there was a turning lane. If there are turning lanes, then there are presumably intersections where people slow down and even stop. We know from Blaze's 911 call that she described all three vehicles, hers, Weldon's, and Scots, as being caught in traffic at the Longslight, meaning there were other vehicles around them. And we know from witnesses' numbers four and five, they lost sight of Weldon and Scott at the Longslight, which was two-tenths of a lot. mile from where Weldon was seen driving into the median. We also know from the surveillance cameras that Weldon and Scott and Blaze were driving amid a pack of vehicles. So I'm not a puffy-eyed, ruddyed-faced police detective, guzzling Mountain Dew and facing away from the suspect that I'm

interviewing. But it would seem to me that if Weldon's story were true, if Scott was leaning out the driver's side window on the far right side of the road and aiming a gun at Weldon, that other people would have seen this. And I wonder why more people didn't call to report this very dramatic moment with a gunman leaning out of a window in a full aim pose at another car, because that would seem way less subtle than what the photos show. And yes, I know somewhere out there Blaze Adrian is yelling, I saw it and I did call it in. Girl, you said that he pointed the weapon at you closer to Bell and Bell and you waited four miles to call 911. And when you said that you saw him point his gun at Weldon while you were on the phone with 911, Bradley was taking

photos of Scott and none of those photos show him pointing a gun at anyone. As you all know, Witnesses number two and three passed Weldon and Bradley right as the shooting was starting. Witness number two could clearly see that Weldon had his gun in his hands and the gun was aimed at Scott, which makes sense because when Officer Kerry Higgs, the first to arrive at the scene at Camp Swamp Road, his body camera showed the tinted window on Weldon's side of the truck, the driver's side, was down, meaning the window was open. It also showed that the tinted window on Bradley's side of the truck, the passenger side, was up, meaning the window was closed.

And that's where Weldon loses me. Imagine your Scott in the far right lane, whatever that is on that part on Highway 9. Let's pretend you hang your body out of your truck window and aim a gun at the driver of the car to the left of you. How are you looking down your arm and directly into the eyes of that driver? Driving fast, looking into the tended window,

past the large and bushy bearded passenger and directly at the driver? Hey, maybe it happened that way. Like when Weldon told his granny that Scott stared dead into his eyes on Camp Swamp Road with a killer look that he had seen before, which we now know that he's never seen before because he's never seen combat. But it seems like Weldon is heightening the drama here.

because he knows that the photos don't show what he told the 911 dispatcher and the officers at the scene that they showed. Okay, back to this so-called interview. Did you ever see this guy before? I don't know who he is, and I think I overheard somebody say his name is Scott Spivey. I looked him up on Facebook, and we're not even Facebook friends.

I got no clue who this guy is. He hollered something when he got out the truck, but we couldn't hear it. I mean, he was talking. I don't know if he was talking to himself, if he was talking at us. But when he got out the truck, because I was trying to just keep the dispatcher informed where he was going. So as soon as we turned on that road, he's parked, door swings open,

he hops out, has the glock, I think it was a glock, I don't know, has the pistol in his hand, is speaking, racks it, and that's when I'm telling the dispatcher, like he's back, and then Bradley, you can hear Bradley start yelling back up, back up, back up, and I'm trying to get it backed up. I don't even have my weapon out yet. Bradley doesn't either. And as soon as I start trying to back up, I look back up,

and that's when he swung his, weird, he swung his arm like this. I don't know why. And he started fired. And I just, I grabbed my pistol, and I started shooting, and he started shooting. I hate to do this to you while Weldon is on. such a role, but it's important to point this out. There are details in Weldon's story that are critical to Weldon's claim of self-defense, and of course he has been inconsistent about them. We've talked about some of them before. One is that Weldon says Scott started this. There's no

evidence of that, so what can we say there other than that? The other is that Scott aimed the gun at him and others on Highway 9. Again, there's no evidence of that. There's only evidence that Scott had the gun in hand, pointed toward the sky, and with it barely showing out of his window with his finger off the gun's trigger during part of his drive on Highway 9. And yes, there's Blaze's 911 call, which is inconsistent, doesn't match up with the actual evidence, and is confounding. Because again, why did she speed to catch up with a man who allegedly pointed a gun at her, and why did she wait four miles before calling 911? Another critical detail is why Weldon turned off the road to follow Scott. After the shooting, he told just about everyone who would listen that he did it to fix his trailer because he knew he had to look like a victim, a non-aggressor, right?

He couldn't have been following Scott. But here, as he said on the 911 call and was just reminded of because Detective Jones let him listen to it before talking, he's telling his captive audience that he made the turn to keep the dispatcher up to the updated on where Scott was. Yet another critical detail is a two-parter. Weldon says neither he nor Bradley had their weapons out when they turned onto Camp Swamp Road. By that, Weldon seems to be trying to show that they weren't planning on shooting and killing Scott because, again, they were victims and not the aggressors.

He also says Scott racked the gun after jumping out of his truck on Camp Swamp Road, which is so critical to Weldon's story because that paints a picture of Scott giving both men an immediate visual clue that he was about to shoot them. And for those who are unfamiliar with how pistols work, racking a gun means putting a cartridge into the chamber so that it's ready to shoot. If there's a cartridge in the chamber, there is no need to rack it again, except to clear the chamber of the unused cartridge, which if this had happened on Highway 9 and Camp Swamp Road, like Weldon says it did,

would have resulted in an unused cartridge being found in the area where that allegedly happened. no unused cartridges were found outside of Scott's truck after the shooting. So, we know that didn't happen there. Or rather, based on this version of Weldon's story, it could not have happened there. Because here's what Weldon said in the 911 call. I've got a guy pointing a gun at me driving. We're armed as well. He keeps throwing the gun in our faces.

I don't like he's about to shoot us. If he keeps this up, I'm going to shoot him. I'm on Highway 9. He's trying to run from me now. Highway 9 headed toward Dolores. We just passed a narrow circle. We passed a lower circle. We're heading purge Lewis.

I'm going to stay with him the whole way. Y'all need to get this guy up the road. He's aiming guns at people. He racked it. He was about to shoot at us. We pulled our guns out. Weldon said Scott racked his gun on Highway 9. So if Scott racked his gun on Highway 9, again, a visible signal that he was about

to shoot his gun, and a move that takes two hands to do so, I guess Scott was steering his truck with his knees in this version of Weldon's story. Then it would mean that Scott either didn't rack his gun on Highway 9 and or didn't rack his gun on Camp Swamp Road. It means that what Weldon is saying does not make sense or add up. It is in fact a clue that Weldon is either getting his facts mixed up or lying, and it's a point at which a detective would ask him to clarify. Wait, where exactly did he rack his gun? Also, Weldon said he and Bradley pulled out their guns on Highway 9 before calling 911. So are we thinking that Weldon and Bradley are the type of good guys with guns? Who, upon seeing a bad with a gun, aim his gun at them and other drivers, a man who leaned out of the window of

his truck to aim his gun and look down his arm at Weldon. According to Weldon, are they the type of guys with guns who, upon choosing to chase and follow the bad guy with a gun, onto a secondary road, who would put their pistols away until further notice? Or do we think that they kept them in their hands ready to shoot? Remember in the last episode, Weldon told the men in the interview, view room that he couldn't back up the truck because he had his phone balanced between his shoulder and his chin. He said this before they played the 911 call for him. He didn't want to drop the phone,

I guess, and he chose to stay in the line of fire? Is that what he's saying? Or was it more true that it wasn't the phone that was keeping him from backing up? Was there something else in his hands at the time? Because remember how we've gone second by second comparing witness number two's 9-1-1 call, Blazes 911 call, and Weldon's 911 call. Showing that at that exact time, witness number two says that he saw Weldon with his gun on the dashboard, right as Weldon was saying that he couldn't back up the truck. Also, when Weldon tells the interview room that Scott racked his gun, then he pantomimes what he says Scott did next, which is swing his arm backward and around to the front again,

before he started shooting again. He later refers to this as a move from the movie The Matrix right before the interview ends, and he gets another performance of it. Just to get this straight, Weldon is saying that Scott jumped out of the vehicle, yelled something, and then was able to rack his pistol,

something that takes two hands to do, and then swing his gun up and behind him, and then in front again, like Keanu Reeves, moving with superhuman speed, faster than a bullet, to avoid a bullet, in case to shoot a bullet?

Oh, and also was able to look Weldon dead in the eyes with an expression that Weldon has seen before and still was able to get a shot first. At Mr. Not My First Rodeo? Mr. This is Like Iraq all over again? Mr. couldn't back up his truck because of the way he was holding his phone? Mr. the guy who said there's about to be a shootout. Anyway, back to the interview room.

Weldon is already on the record as saying, two very opposite things in the span of 10 minutes on the 911 call. He said Scott racked the gun on Highway 9 in that he and Bradley had their weapons out. Then he says Scott racked the gun on Camp Swamp Road in that he and Bradley didn't have their guns out. And yet not one man in that room asks for clarity. Let's keep going. I know we struck him and he got back into his truck. He crawled back into his vehicle, we stopped. And then we stopped and then he started shooting again. I heard two or three more shots and we thought he had a beat on us. We couldn't see him. So I shot back again maybe two or three more times and then we stopped and it just went silent.

I don't know if he was trying to land over and shoot at us, but when he got back in the truck, he did fire his weapon after we had stopped shooting, he kept firing from inside of his truck. But we couldn't see him, but that doesn't mean that he could, I mean, I thought he was still shooting at us, just I couldn't see where in the truck he was at. Detective Allen Jones was quiet for about 10 seconds after Weldon said this, sitting back in his chair pivoted away from Weldon with his arms crossed over his chest. When he finally spoke, he struggled to gain footing on a question. Just to clarify a couple of things, once he raised a gun at you guys, could you, I mean, when you tell the dispatcher here that 100%, could you tell at any point he went or grimmest or move or do anything prior to going to get back in the truck to indicate that he was hit outside the truck?

I don't, I can't say for 100% he's been hit, but I did see what you normally see. You see a little bit of a crumple, you see a shirt maybe just, I mean, I saw him getting hit. Maybe it wasn't him getting hit. I don't know, but I mean, anything that you would perceive as that, that's all. I was under the impression that he had been hit. Well, now we know why Detective Jones was having trouble with that question. I bet it's really hard to immediately. declare the homicide that was committed by your boss's friend and that friend's friend as a self-defense

case when you can see there are big gaping holes in the story especially compared to the immediately available evidence and I bet it's really really hard when you're tasked with interviewing that boss's friend on the record in the hopes that that boss's friend doesn't say anything to ruin his own case. First, and it's another contradiction said in a room full of men's eyes and ears, and yet no one questioned it. The 911 dispatcher asked Weldon if he thought he'd hit Scott, and Weldon said 100%, which Jones noted in his mealy-mouthed question.

But now Weldon wasn't 100% sure, possibly because he didn't know what being 100% sure of that could mean for his case at that point. If Scott wasn't hit by a bullet outside of his truck, and there's no blood or spatter that would indicate he had been, then it likely means Walden and Bradley killed him after he had retreated into the truck, which they seemed to have done. And worse, that they killed him with a shot to the back. For this to be a cut and dry self-defense case, is it better for Walden and Bradley if Scott was shot outside of his truck when they shot him? Or is it better for him to have been shot in the truck in the back? Is it better that they perceived Scott to have been shot when he got in the truck?

More from Weldon on that after a quick break, and we will be right back. Let's listen to what else Weldon has to say about what happened on Camp Swamp Road. He got back into the truck and then he stopped because I thought over and then I went back over and then I went back. to start trying to get in reverse. I reached, for the reason there was a hesitation on trying to get, I have another truck of diesel, my dad was driving the night, and the diesel's up here. So as soon as Bradley starts hauling back up, I'm doing like this with the phone, and I'm like, I can't get it, and then I'm like, oh shit, well, no wonder there's not a gear shipper there, and then that's when I started. But then I started to try and get

reverse and go back again, and then it started shooting again. So we thought he was back shooting at us again. I did the same thing between my work car or my personal vehicle. Yeah, I mean, it's just... That's the last thing I'm thinking about in that situation, and that's kind of why I couldn't get backed up. Aw, look at Weldon and the detective bonding over the trials and tribulations of sometimes driving two different trucks with two different gear shift components.

So now we have a second reason Weldon couldn't back up and get out of there, as Bradley seemed to think that he could. It's not that he had his pistol in his hands, as witness number two recalled seeing, but it's the phone's fault and the gear shifts fault, and this too. The other problem was I had that 20-foot trailer behind me. I can't just forward and reverse and go into nine. Now I'm in trouble for someone teabone on my damn trailer. I don't understand any of it.

I don't know. No, the only other thing that I can think of is... Wait, what? The interview? The police questioning is about to be over? Because there's only one other question that you can think of, Alan Jones. Really? Only one more thing that you can think of to get clarity on this?

When all he, the foolishness that he was doing started, What was that initial issue there? Okay, well, that is a good question. Finally, let's hear how this altercation between Weldon and Scott started. I asked the people, the witnesses that were by, I even asked the lady in the suburban. I said, did I, like, go in his lane, almost hit him and not realize it or something? And she said, no, he was driving like that before he got to you. We didn't know anything that was happening behind us.

I was looking at the road, I was telling Bradley about the crap I got going on in my life right now with the woman I was engaged to decided she didn't want to be engaged anymore. We got a son's doing three months. So I got a custody battle coming up. I was talking to him about the custody battle, how I want to be a dad. And then he's just like, what? I've forgotten what he said. It was either, what the fuck or do you know him? I looked over and I just see a damn pistol.

No, I mean you said look there was, were you guys in one or Lincolnville? I was in the fast lane. he was into slow lane and then he tried to get in front and it was kind of like a I had a car on my butt I couldn't just slam on brakes he whipped over in front then he brake check me at 60 miles an hour and that's when I went off the road completely into basically the ditch in the median and then was trying to get back on the road and that's when when I was trying to get back on the road I turned and to make sure I wasn't going to hit the far behind me, getting back on the road. And when I look back up, he's sitting there like this out of his car window with the pistol aim right at me, and I thought he was about to start shooting. And that's why I told the lady, I'm like, well, if he shoots, I've got to defend myself. The dude was trying to kill us.

I pulled down that road. I was trying to tell the guy where he's going, so y'all could get an officer. Because, I mean, you don't know where he's going. You don't know if he's going to kill his wife. I was just trying to keep y'all till I... And when I turned on that road, he was... I don't know if he was waiting, but that door swung open,

and he knew what he wanted to do. Okay. Weldon casually throwing in there that he didn't know if Scott was going home to kill his imaginary wife would be fun to laugh at if it weren't South Carolina where that is a thing,

where it happens way too often. But come on, that's not why you followed him. Is it? Be real, Weldon. That question about Spivey came from Weldon's attorney, Ken Moss, by the way. But Alan Jones didn't give him an answer. He continued talking to Weldon and even shifted in his seat, so he was pivoted more toward him than he had been.

So, and here's, I had been told a hundred million different things tonight, and you were there, obviously. You were the best source. All this is taking place. And you've obviously already called 911. Were you guys going to turn down Camp Swamp or did he turn down Camp Swamp and y'all go to see where he was going so if you could tell the dispatcher? I was trying to tell the dispatcher where he was going. And when it just basically jumped my truck, at some point I need to chop stop, make sure nothing flew.

out. I didn't know that it was part right there. When I turned on, he was waiting. I didn't realize there was another white truck, and I don't know if that truck was involved or not, but they both were running stupid speeds, and they were pulling away

from us. They both went down that road, and then when we turned down that road, I'm already turning, and I'm reading the road sign, and then I look, and that truck is right there, maybe 60 yards off the road. So I stopped, and then that's when the door swung open

and then Bradle was sort of screaming back up, back up, back up. And that was where I got jumbled. And I mean, I wasn't looking for trouble. I was telling a fucking couch. I don't know what happened. But the dude tried to shoot us. I mean, he aimed right at me and started shooting. So Alan asked the question about what happened between Weldon and Scott

to initiate the altercation. And then he asked how Weldon and Bradley ended up Camp Swamp Road, but he didn't really seem to care about the answers, and in fact he pretty much provided an answer to that last question. Then Ken Moss sort of explained why he wanted to know Scott's last name was Spivey. So, if there's a relation, we don't know it. But the woman who's involved in the soon-to-be-cust-exputed him, He thinks her other fellow's name is Spidey also, but if they're related or no reason, we have no idea.

Okay. That'll be something we have to do later. What's that guy's thing? Benji Spivey is who we kind of found out she was part of him with, and I don't know. I highly doubt that there is a relation, but... But the name is the same, they don't need to hear that later. No, there needs to be, yeah, that needs to be brought up. I mean, I...

Weldon then showed Detective Alan Jones the photos that he and Bradley had taken of Scott. I've got, like, multiple of him holding the gun. That was, um, after he ran me off the road, because you can... Well, hang on me. See, this is where I went in there. He swirred over.

I went all up in there. Yeah. And when I was recovering is when he went to the right lane. And this was the beginning of him doing like that. Weldon again acted out how Scott had allegedly leaned out of his window and aimed the gun at him, looking down his arm right at Weldon while driving on the highway. It also seemed to register with Weldon that he needed to explain why all the photos he had of Scott showed Scott in front of them on the highway, a few of them at some distance away.

And then we backed off I mean we weren't trying to I zoomed in to get that I was trying to get a license plate we let him I mean we backed off but when he turned down that road I was talking to dispatcher

and I'm trying to just someone needs to follow this guy until a cop can get behind me and I even told it I said he might shoot at the cops yeah I got it I mean I can I can see I let him get I'm zoomed in

I wasn't on his butt chasing him I can hear I can hear any voice what's going on there. I just wanted to make sure that there was eyes on that car until an office was showed up. I didn't realize that somebody can get there. I'm with you. I'm tracking. Sure.

No problem. I'm with you. Police Detective Allen Jones said. A guy ended up dead, but as long as you were helping the police without being asked to help the police by the police, it's totally fine. By the way, in the evidence that Alan Jones would later ignore, surveillance video showed that Weldon didn't back off. He kept speeding to stay pace with Scott, who appeared to be trying to get away. And we all know that recorded phone call where Weldon told his mother that he was writing Scott's ass. Finally, prosecutor George DeBusk had a question for Weldon, a relevant one.

Weldon stands up to perform his finale for the men. Where was he standing when he started shooting at you? So he opened the corridor, and at that point I had stopped. And that's what I was trying to get back. This is the front of his truck. He opened the corridor, and he got out and had his pistol. And he just started doing, he was maveling. I couldn't understand him.

And I think that's when I was saying, he's got a gun, he's got a gun, he's got a gun, he racked it, and that's when Bradley started hollering back up, back up, back up. And I don't know why, but he did this, like, Matrix thing. He did like that. And at that point, I looked right down the barrel, and it started going off. And that's when I just break pedal, I bring my weapon, and I engaged. Was he standing in, I guess, behind his truck? No, sir. The door would be right here.

So he was beside his truck. He was beside his truck. And then after I fired, I kept firing, Bradley kept firing, because he still had the gun on us. He kind of, I saw the shirt, you know, and he kind of did this, and then he crawled in the truck, and we quit. I saw his feet go into the truck. I saw his head come up behind the seat and then his head went back down

and I'm just sitting there like this rested on the steering wheel and I'm waiting because I don't know and then I look down to start back again because I finally figured out I'm in this truck and not the other one and as soon as I go to get it in reverse

we hear so I shot because you don't know if someone has a beat on you he just shot at us I mean, I don't know if he's still trying to kill me. I don't know. I can't see him.

So I just put, I don't know, two or three more into where I thought he was in the vehicle, and then it went silent. Did you actually move your truck? No. I put it in park. We didn't touch anything. That's when the guy pulled up next to me. I said, please don't leave. Please talk to the cops.

I didn't move anything. I didn't touch anything because I wanted everything to be. the way it was. Weldon saying that Scott was standing beside his truck at the driver's side door? Because remember when Assistant Attorney General Heather Weiss told Scott's family that she couldn't charge Weldon Boyd and Bradley Williams with his death in part because of this? Scott got out of his vehicle and walked the back and said, stop following me. But he had his gun and then he pointed his gun at the car.

At that point, what our law says is if you're in reasonable fear of your life or safety, that you can respond with reasonable response. Seems like Heather Weiss didn't thoroughly watch or listen to Weldon's interview with police. And interesting how that detailed that Scott supposedly walked to the back of his truck is one that ended up becoming part of Weldon's story about what Scott did on Camp Swamp Road before the shooting started, because Weldon seemed pretty clear here on where Scott was when that shooting began. Anyway, there you have it. Orie County Police Department and the 15th Circuit Solicitor's Office interviewed Weldon Boyd for around 18 minutes and asked,

let's see, how many questions? Let's add them up. There's a guy that came up to you. Who was that guy? That's one. How hard was it? Can you describe that? That's two and three? Can you describe that fellow to me? Four. Did you ever seen this guy before?

Five. Could you tell at any point he went or grimace or move or do anything prior to going to get back in the truck to indicate that he was hit outside the truck? Six. What was that initial issue there? Seven. Were you guys on one or linked to? Eight. Were you guys going to turn down Camp Swamp?

Nine. Ory County Police asked Weldon Boyd, nine. questions about killing a man and solicitor jimmy richardson's office asked weldon remember anything else about the white trump that's one question where was he standing when he started shooting at you two questions was he standing i guess behind his truck three questions a 12 question interview about why a man killed another man by shooting him in the back. Honestly, Weldon's police interview was easier than filling out an intake form from a day spa. It's all just unbelievable. Next up in our spivey coverage, we plan to go through Bradley Williams interview with police, which is worse, you guys. It is

absolutely worse. Also, we're not done connecting the dots that we are connecting in the RJ May case, especially how he came to decide on using a taxpayer-funded attorney to represent him in his child sex abuse materials case. We have a ton of text and phone conversations that we are continuing to go through and plan to have that for you by the next episode. In the meantime, stay tuned, stay pesky, and stay in the sunlight. True Sunlight is a Lunar Shark production created by me, Mandy Matney, co-hosted and reported by journalist Liz Pharrell, research support provided by Beth Braden, audio production support provided by Jamie Hoffman, case file management, by Kate Thomas. Learn more about our mission and membership at LunaSharkmedia.com. Interruptions

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