Murdaugh Murders Podcast - TSP #117 - Weldon Boyd’s ‘Celebration Call’ to His Co-Shooter in Spivey Case Reveals a Whole Lot + South Carolina Men Push Bill To Control Women

Episode Date: September 25, 2025

Investigative journalists Mandy Matney and Liz Farrell dissect newly uncovered evidence in the Scott Spivey case—a disturbing “celebration call” between Weldon Boyd and his co-shooter Bradley Williams that raises serious questions about the investigation and South Carolina’s justice system.  Mandy and Liz expose the shocking phone call that reveals just how far Boyd—and the good ol' boys—will go to twist the truth and pervert the justice system to protect one of their own.  Mandy also shares horrifying details of SC Senate Bill 323, a dangerous proposal that threatens women’s health and safety under the guise of “protection.” This is not just about a highly contentious politically dividing issue—it’s truly about how corruption and unchecked power continue to endanger lives in South Carolina.    Corruption, coverups, and cruelty—welcome to South Carolina’s good ol’ boy playbook.  But there is hope… This episode is a call to action: for Scott, for women, and for every victim failed by the system. So much to cover, so let’s dive in! 🥽🦈 Trailer for Hulu’s Murdaugh: Death in the Family is here!! 🎥 Give Murdaugh: Death in the Family a follow on Instagram and TikTok ⬅️ Episode References SC Senate Bill 323: Unborn Child Protection Act Information ℹ️ Send a message about SB 323 by emailing [e-mail] or this link for a  pre-written message 📧 Contact These Men and Tell Them Why You Oppose SB 323 📱☎️🌐 Richard Cash (chairman of committee AND sponsor of the bill) - Facebook account or call at [phone] Tom Corbin (Senate Medical Affairs Committee member with zero medical experience) - Facebook account or call at [phone] Billy Garrett (Sponsor of this bill AND Senate Medical Affairs Committee member with zero medical experience) - Facebook account or call at [phone] Rex. F. Rice (sponsor of this bill) - Facebook account or call at [phone] Jeff Zell (Senate Medical Affairs Committee member with zero medical experience) - Facebook account or call at [phone] “Operation Jackpot: A South Carolina high” - Columbia Metropolitan, July/Aug 2021 Edition 📰 Previous Episodes: TSP 100 & Mica Francis Playlist 🎧 Stay Tuned, Stay Pesky and Stay in the Sunlight...☀️ Learn more about Premium Membership at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lunashark.supercast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to get bonus episodes like our Premium Dives, Corruption Watchlist, Girl Talk, and Soundbites that help you Stay Pesky and Stay in the Sunlight Here's a link to some of our favorite things: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4cJ0eVn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ *** ALERT: If you ever notice audio errors in the pod, email ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and we'll send fun merch to the first listener that finds something that needs to be adjusted! *** For current & accurate updates: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lunashark.supercast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram.com/mandy_matney⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠   |   ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram.com/elizfarrell⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠   ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠bsky.app/profile/mandy-matney.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠bsky.app/profile/elizfarrell.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TrueSunlight.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠facebook.com/TrueSunlightPodcast/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram.com/TrueSunlightPod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠youtube.com/@LunaSharkMedia⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠tiktok.com/@lunasharkmedia Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I don't know if Attorney General Alan Wilson ever bothered listening to the so-called celebration call between Weldon Boyd and Bradley Williams after Scott Spivey's death. But if this piece of evidence doesn't encourage Alan to take action in this case and appoint a special prosecutor, I don't think anything will. My name is Mandy Matney. This is True Sunlight, a podcast exposing crime and corruption, previously known as the Murdoch Murders podcast, which inspired Hulu's original series Murdoch, Death in the Family, premiering this October 15th on Hulu and Hulu on Disney Plus. True Sunlight is a Luna Shark production, written with journalist Liz Ferrell. Hey y'all, so we need to talk about something incredibly disturbing happening in the South Carolina State House. We need to talk about a bill that is being pushed forward that will inevitably kill, endanger, damage, or even in prison so many women who we know and love in this

state if it goes through. True sunlight remains one of the most listened to podcast. among all South Carolina women. It would be irresponsible and reckless of me if I didn't use this platform to warn women and men who care about women in our state to fight against Senate Bill 323. On October 1st, the Senate Medical Affairs Subcommittee, made up entirely of men, will meet for a hearing to discuss Senate Bill 323, a bill sponsored by three men. Two of those three men are on the freaking subcommittee that is deciding on this bill. Senators Richard Cash, Billy Garrett, and Rex Rice, who have a combined total of zero medical degrees and zero years of experience in any medical profession, have sponsored this

cruel piece of legislation with one goal in mind and that is to control women while pretending like they care about the lives of babies. Simply put, our body, their choice. So much is attached to a woman's ability to protect her own health in accordance with her trusted medical professional. It affects whether she can work, choose a safe partner, leave an unsafe partner, raise her family safely and happily and frankly live if something catastrophic happens during her pregnancy. No woman should die because she didn't get the right to her health care. One of the men on And this medical subcommittee, deciding on this bill, is named Senator Tom Corbin, who is

infamous for saying that, quote, women are a lesser cut of meat years ago. And somehow, he is still a sitting member of the Medical Affairs Committee and is still an actual senator. And I guess that's the point. His presence on that committee pretty much gives away the secret, doesn't it? This is only about a belief that women are the proper. of men, and that requires women to be in a position of dependence. One of the only Democrats on this subcommittee is Senator Brad Huddo.

You know, the guy who slut shamed a teenager in court and blamed her for her own sexual assault in the Bowen-Turner case. This is how bad South Carolina is, y'all. A group of uneducated and simple-minded men are pushing a bill to police women's health care to another group of mostly undereducated and simple-minded men without medical backgrounds. No women, at least in this round, are a part of this decision that will literally kill some of us.

I don't want to call Senate Bill 323 an abortion bill because it's more than that. And I also don't want our conservative listeners to tune me out because again, this bill will hurt so many women. It will kill women. It will drive women like me, who want to have a baby to move to other states to start their families

because it will make pregnancy so much more dangerous than it already is. It is already hard enough to find a decent OBGYN in most parts of South Carolina. This bill will make our women's health care crisis in South Carolina exponentially worse. And we already consistently rank in the bottom of that category. Remember, we are currently the eighth most dangerous state, for pregnant women. Now you can read the whole text of the bill in the link in the description if you don't believe my summary of this, but I want to have David, my amazing husband, who supports the rights of women. Read a few bullet points. SB 323 would make

abortion a felony homicide punishable up to 30 years in prison for both the person getting the abortion and the person aiding in the abortion. SB 323 would limit birth control access and IVF access. SB 323 would make it illegal and punishable to simply provide information about abortion. SB 323 would force victims of rape and incest who are pregnant to carry to term, even if they are children themselves. So y'all, again, as a woman in South Carolina who wants to have a baby in the near future with my husband who just read that, please trust me when I say, I've done a ton of research on this. While state law still technically allows

for medical exceptions for the sake of the mother, these laws written and pushed by men who don't understand why tampons come in different sizes are incredibly dangerous because these situations are never in black and white. I have already heard horrific stories of pregnant women being denied care or care being delayed because of our current abortion ban.

And this would make it so much worse. Do you want to be in a situation where your pregnancy is threatening your life and your doctor has to worry about facing prison time and homicide charges for performing a procedure that could save your life? Do you want your doctor to have to wait around and make sure that you are dying enough for the good old boys of the government to not charge you and your doctor with homicide? Do you want to be in a situation where you are pregnant and in need of medical care, but you have to fly to another state to get it? Also, do you want your daughters, nieces, and granddaughters to have less access to birth control when they aren't ready to have a baby? Do you want them to have less access to IVF if they're having problems conceiving?

What about less access to OBGYNs and doctors specializing in women's health care? I say daughters, nieces, and granddaughters because I've noticed. notice, older generations tend to distance themselves from the abortion issue. And sometimes people vote against abortion because they don't understand that these sweeping bills contain legislation that will hurt the people that they love, while being fooled that they are voting for life. Senate Bill 323 is not for life. It's promoting, facilitating, and legalizing the death of more women in a state that is already

at the top of the list for its number of pregnancy. related deaths. And like I said, women won't be a part of the decision on October 1st on whether or not this bill goes forward. And by the way, this is very much unique that they are doing this outside of the legislative session. They are essentially working overtime to take our rights away. So we have to work extra hard to make sure our voices are a major part of this discussion. And it is our job to make sure the men who push this will be humiliated, shamed, and forever known as a politician who voted to endanger and imprison pregnant women and the doctors who take care of them. So, if you live in South Carolina and you want to help us fight this bill, there is still time.

Public comments will be heard at 9.30 a.m. on October 1st at Suite 412 in the Grisette office building of the State House, and I encourage everybody who can to attend. If you can't attend, Public comments can be submitted to the committee at the email in the description, or just click the link in the description that makes this process a lot easier. I would absolutely be there on October 1st if I didn't have the busiest three weeks of my life up ahead, but I will be emailing my comments, don't worry. For those of y'all out of state, I have a list of men involved in this who deserve to be bothered, so I will be posting links to their profiles and their phone numbers in the description.

of this episode, and I urge everyone to make noise about this everywhere. Public embarrassment is often the only thing that we have to force these men to do what's right. I cannot overstate this enough. The state of South Carolina is a mess, full of corruption and crime, and it will keep getting worse if our elected officials continue to waste millions of dollars attempting to police pregnancy. And speaking of South Carolina being a big mess because of the good old boys in charge, let's talk about two of the most loathsome men in South Carolina. Accused pedophiles Judge James Skipper Gossnell and former State House Representative R.J. May.

Don't worry. We're not going to spend a lot of time on these monsters because I get it. There's only so much all of us can take in one week. But here's Liz with the latest. Judge Gosnell is accused of, well, so many things. But as far as his charges as of now, he faces one, possession of child sexual abuse material. Judge Gosnell has been a Charleston County magistrate for more than 30 years, which means he's been responsible for, among other things, deciding on which warrants get signed and which don't,

and deciding on which cases move forward, and which don't. and he's been at the center of a lot of controversy over the years, but perhaps is most famously known as the white judge who said the families of the nine black church members who were shot to death at a Bible study meeting by a young white man named Dylan Roof in 2015 weren't the only victims in this case that Dylan's family was also suffering.

At the time, Judge Gosnell was the chief magistrate for the county, so yay South Carolina legislators, way to pick them. As of Monday morning, Judge Gosnell was set to make his arguments as to why he shouldn't be detained until his trial. Luckily, the government stepped in with their House of Horrors brief, with all the reasons this man is a danger to the community. And when I say danger to the community, I have never meant those words as much as I mean

them right now. The government told the court that they found evidence and text messages that included the following. The judge is into raping and torturing babies. Two include newborns. He bragged about being sexually aroused by the sound of a screaming child. He has sexually assaulted babies left in his care, including a neighbor's three-month-old. He's bragged about sexually abusing a baby in public without anyone noticing, and he was planning a trip to visit his alleged lover in Florida, who is a like-minded pedophile. The two allegedly planned to sexually assault a newborn together, and the two exchanged messages about Judge Gossnell killing the newborn.

I'm going to stop there. These court records outline the most demonic behaviors we have ever heard of. Anyway, thankfully, the court agreed that this man needs to stay in jail until his trial because good God. We've heard from people who are absolutely stunned that the Judge Gosnell they knew is the same Judge Gossnell described in these records. Remember, that is the point. That is how these monsters get us.

They pretend to be us. Judge Gosnell is represented by attorney Lionel Lofton, a former assistant U.S. attorney and a recipient of the Order of the Palmetto Award like Randolph Murdoch. Lofton is from McClellan'sville, which some of you will recognize as a major player in drug trafficking in the 1970s and 1980s. We'll talk more about Judge Gosnell's lawyer in a future episode because, good Lord, South Carolina. Why do all routes go back to Operation Jackpot? Okay, deep breath. Let's cleanse our minds with thoughts of puppies now. And the idea that we are all working together as secret sleeper agents

ready to shine so much sunlight on these supervillains that it burns down their entire world. Next update. This one is about demon number two, RJ May. Last week, we told you about RJ May's 32-page handwritten motion accusing a Homeland Security agent of misconduct and lying to get the search warrant for his devices. He's since filed some more handwritten records, again, who is helping him, show your face, unless you want us to show your face for you, because we're going to find out. Not because we don't think inmates deserve outside attorney advice, but in this case, RJ May has access to some of the most powerful lawyers in the state, some of whom are men who have spent their entire political careers demonizing people who don't look like them as being dangerous,

morally bereft and lacking family values. That kind of man does not get to hide in the shadows while helping a man like RJ May. We'll talk more about all of this in a future episode, but there's one interesting thing I want to mention. In RJ's motion to change venues because of all the publicity this case has gotten, he notes that he's being called a child sex abuser in the press quote implying defendant engaged in hands-on abuse of children um what so it's not surprising to me that rj who is a staunch christian conservative and as such believes in an unfettered free market economy doesn't actually understand even the most basic concepts of consumerism first there is no product if there is no customer just ask mickey mouse who was obsessively checking his 401k last

week to see if he could afford to retire early in case the worst happened. Second, and I'm going to quote RJ May here, according to an exhibit of his messages with other alleged pedophiles. Here we go. Got more bad moms? How much you got? I sent three and you sent three. We can go back and forth. Send the good stuff. Pictures don't count, L.O.L. You got stuff for return? You got more mom daughter? I sent three. You sent one. Come on now. That first one was from X. videos, I sent that last one already. In order to satisfy RJ's alleged appetite for videos showing children getting sexually abused, for new videos that he hasn't already seen, that would require the production of videos, right? If a man engages in the distribution of child sexual abuse

materials, then that man is also responsible for the abuse. There is no distinction between hands on and hands off when it comes to a child getting deprived of safety and health and love and growth and support and innocence and a chance at a happy future. It's a yes or no question. Is this man's actions connected to a child being hurt? I doubt Achia's pedophiles take the time to learn this, but when a child is identified in these CSAM images and videos, they are alerted every time someone has been arrested with possession of that photo or video. This results in a lifetime of alerts. They are forever reminded of the abuse because of the men who continue to buy, sell, and trade in CSAM.

Anyway, I don't know if RJ thinks the federal government can send out jury notices to people in hell. It would not surprise me to find out if he believes that, but that would be about the only place where he'd get a jury that would satisfy him. His hearing on the motion to suppress the search warrant for his devices and to change venues was scheduled for Wednesday afternoon.

Check our social media, and we will be updating you on that case next week. And that is enough about those guys for now. Okay, and one more update for y'all about another horrible good old boy slash monster in South Carolina that the system helped create. This week, Liz Farrell broke a terrifying and disturbing update related to quote-unquote pastor slash villain Wayne Miller, JP's creepy father with a disturbing past including sexual assault and slavery allegations over decades. We reported on Old Wayne in episodes 53, 79, 90, and 91. But on Thursday, September 18th, Jane Doe 2, reported to Ory County Police Department

that one of the defendants in her sexual assault case, quote unquote, Pastor Reginald Wayne Miller, followed her on her way home from work in Myrtle Beach. At some points, beeping his horn at her. Jane Doe 2 filed a lawsuit against Wayne Miller and JP. Miller earlier this year, accusing J.P. Miller of sexually assaulting her twice as a child and accusing Wayne Miller, the owner and director of the school that she was attending, of abusing her when she reported the first alleged assault. She said that Wayne told her as a child that she would be raped by demons for lying about his son and made her right out, I will not lie

about John Paul Miller, 5,000 times. She said that other students called her a slut and a whore, and J.P. laughed when he saw other students bullying her. In the police report, Jane Doe 2 said she caught Wayne following her on Thursday while she was leaving work on an obscure dead-end road nowhere near Wayne's home or his churchy business, and she said that he followed her for several miles, making multiple specific turns behind her. Yes, it could be a coincidence, but it's a terrifying one regardless. Now, according to the police report, the case is ongoing, and I urge creators wanting to cover this to please be careful with revealing any identifying information about Jane Doe 2. A certain male creator, whose name rhymes with Bobby,

who has been hungry for YouTube clicks throughout this story and who appears to have zero concern for the safety of Jane Doe 2. I'm talking to you, and I'm talking to his followers who should call him out when he recklessly reports on Jane Doe 2 again. We are telling you all of this because Jane Doe too needs our support. We need to surround her with sunlight and let her know that our army has her back and will help her fight this battle every step of the way. We are still watching you, Wayne Miller, and your disgusting son, J.P. Miller. You might have been able to get away with intimidating women before this, but those days are over in the fight to expose these horrible men in Micah's life will continue, no matter how hard J.P. and his dad might try to stop it.

You cannot and will not escape the sunlight. So I'll say this again, justice for Micah, justice for Jane Doe 1, and justice for Jane Doe 2. We'll be right back after a quick break. Let's pick up where we left off with the Scott Spivey slash Ory County Police Department Corruption case. If you've been keeping up with our coverage, that means you have now listened to every witness account that the Ory County Police Department obtained, the Knight North Myrtle Beach businessman Weldon Boyd and his friend Bradley Williams shot and killed 33-year-old Scott on Camp Swamp Road in Loris, South Carolina. That's wild, right? You have the same information that the police had, the night of the shooting. And you can see the red flags,

the holes in information, the inconsistencies, and the potential lies. You can see the parts of Weldon and Bradley's account that don't make sense when compared with the evidence and the actual witness accounts. You also know that there is one person who not only saw everything but is the only one alive who might actually be able to claim self-defense in that scenario. And that's Weldon's friend Bradley Williams. Of course, that depends on what the audio evidence says about who shot first and when Bradley joined in. This makes Bradley a very important person to Weldon Boyd. Some might even say that Bradley is both the puppet on Weldon's hand

and the stuffed animal Weldon clings to at night when the shooting replays in his mind without the help of his narration. You can hear it in the dozens of phone calls Weldon made to people in the three days after the shooting. And I mean that you can hear it. David put together a medley of it for us. Here's how existentially key Bradley Williams is to Weldon Boyd. Here's how important Bradley is to validating Weldon's version of what happened on Camp Swamp Road.

Here's why Weldon said this in a text message to an employee on September 13, 2023. We are trying to keep Bradley's name out of it to protect him. I told Ken, I want him protected no matter what. We don't talk about Bradley. No, no, no. But Weldon Boyd sure does. Since Bradley's name has not come up, I can ask what we wanted to do on this. We're going to leave Bradley's name out of it.

I mean, you know, Bradley's pretty quiet, but... Who's the guy you were with? That's my buddy Bradley. So Bradley is a ghost right now, and if we can keep it that way, I want to. Bradley looked over and he had the gun next to us on nine, and Bradley said he just looked furious. And I'm like, what the fuck? Who's Brad?

That's my friend from ours where I grew up with him. He's terrible busy. Yeah, he came down for the weekend. God wishes he stayed home. I asked Bradley, I said, did I like swerve over and not know it and almost hit him? You can hear Bradley on the 911 call. He's yelling at me to back up, and I'm like, I can't. Bradley literally looked over and I wasn't even paying attention.

He was like, do you know him or something like that? In the same story, Bradley, I haven't messed anything. I haven't messed anything up or that. I mean, I'm good. I don't think Bradley's okay. I mean, I've been through this shit before. Bradley was like, I mean, you know, can we get in trouble for buying a gun today?

I hear Bradley start yelling back up, back up, back up. An award for bravery, me and Bradley. Bradley quit shooting. You hear me on the call. You hear me say, I need a mag, and then you hear both of us reloading our guns. Me and Bradley, both of us were armed. Poor Bradley.

And I grabbed my gun. Bradley grabbed here. We started shooting back and we had a fucking shoot out right here. And I told Bradley, I said there's no blood on his back. So we did not shoot him in the back at any point. Because that's bad in a self-defense case. You don't want a bullet going through their back. Right.

Bailey's going to try and get me and Bradley on the floor of the Capitol and issue us a proclamation to issue us a proclamation for bravery. Aimed the gun at Bradley's head. Bradley looked over and screamed, break what the fuck and I looked over and he's holding the Glock out of his window right at my head. Bradley

hit him a couple of few times while he was out of the truck Castle Doctrine protects me and Bradley I got back to Bradley Bradley said thank God and then Bradley Bradley just calmly said Weldon I literally looked at Bradley

Bradley pulled his gun up Bradley was shooting full metal jackets my friend Bradley. Bradley's mumbled. Bradley said Bradley didn't either. And Bradley, Bradley shot. Bradley thinks. Bradley said,

And then you hear me and Bradley, we go quiet. In the days after the shooting, there seemed to be some sort of managed Bradley plan emerging from the Boyd family's camp. The morning after the shooting, Weldon's mom texted him to choose his words carefully, when telling their employers at Bowies on the Boulevard about the shooting. shooting and make sure they knew that Bradley was one of the shooters too, that Weldon had not done this alone. Weldon's family warned him not to make glib comments in front of Bradley, such as I had a blast. Well, if you enjoy it, son, you just need to keep that to yourself, and I wouldn't even tell Bradley that because, you know, you just, I mean, I know y'all friends

and everything, but you wouldn't want Bradley to accidentally slip up and tell somebody that you said that. Yeah, I know. Little did they know they had already done the thing, which you'll hear about in a bit. And little did they know that fast forward two years, we would all be listening to them say this because their Dodo Bird's son recorded all of his phone calls. Today we are going to look at the relationship between Bradley and Weldon and where their minds were in the three days after the shooting. Remember, this phone call between Weldon and Bradley on September 12th, 23 at 7.51 p.m. actually started with this embarrassing call at 721 when Weldon, allegedly, and it feels like clearly, planned a script for how he would tell Bradley his news.

Hello. Hi. Can you type me all the speaker so I can hear you? Yeah, I don't know. I'm driving. on the phone speaker. All right. Yeah. Okay. How did you sleep last night?

Hi. How did you sleep last night? Good. All right, we're going to sleep better tonight. So, the detective called Ken on the way home, off the record phone call. Now, this is... I'm coming from harsh while you're breaking up on my... Call me where you know you got solid service.

Okay. All right. All right. He was so excited. to ask Bradley, how did you sleep last night, just so he could tell him why he's going to sleep better tonight. And the bad reception killed the vibe. And it is so funny to me because I love it when a mediocre man comes in with what he thinks is an expert wind up. Only for him to find out he still has the ball in his hand. And that one-star review of his performance says,

next time, where the clown knows. 20 minutes after they hung up, Bradley calls him back. And today, we're going to play that call from beginning to end for the most part. In episode 100, we shared parts of it, so pieces might sound familiar to you, but I think it's important to replay after everything we've learned in the past 17 weeks. This is what we're calling the celebration call. It's when Weldon and Bradley decide that their story about what happened is supported by the evidence, even though their beliefs about the evidence are inaccurate. It's when the two, quote, battle buddies, really, mostly Weldon, take a moment with each other to relish their kill.

For a reference, Amanda is Bradley's wife. J.R. is a friend of Bradley and Weldon and a person they sent photos of Scott's dead body to over Facebook Messenger from the scene. And the reference to TRX is to the Dodge Ram truck Weldon was driving in that evening. all right so this is i mean um you can tell amanda but this isn't even jr news okay so the autopsy's results he doesn't have today the top screen results he probably won't have for a month but they finished the analysis on both my vehicle and his the TRX was never hit once other than the shots that we made through the windshield

Scott was shooting a Springfield XD 45 Okay, that explains the lower round count. That explains the lower round count and the big asshole in the tailgate. On top of that, they have significant evidence that Scott, there was shell casings, there was a significant amount of shell casings outside of the vehicle and significant amount of shell casings inside of his vehicle, which confirms our story that he engaged us from the outside of the truck, got back in his truck,

and we quit shooting, and then he started shooting again. So our story is solid. Now, here's where it gets crazy. Remember when he put his head up and we both were starting to shoot again? Yeah. That's when we killed him. Yeah.

You know why he put his head up? Why? He was lifting himself off of the center console where he had another high-capacity magazine that he was trying to get to reload and get back in the fight. Gotcha. So this is why Weldon was so excited to deliver that news to Bradley, which makes it seem like these two guys were pretty worried that they're clear-cut, black and white, 100% cut and dried self-defense homicide might not have been so, um, certain.

It seems like they weren't too sure that the evidence was going to corroborate their story about what happened. And that's because it didn't. Because Weldon is wrong about there being a lot of casings outside of Scott's truck. Like we keep saying, there was only one. Just like Weldon had. And we know Weldon was shooting from inside of his truck. So a casing being out of Scott's truck basically means nothing. I would love to know where Weldon was getting information that said that there was a significant number of casings outside Scott's truck, and why he would think that was at all true when he literally saw there wasn't, and that is possibly why he was so worried. Weldon went to Scott's truck possibly as many as three to five times before police

arrived based on recorded phone calls and other records in the case file. Also, did you notice how Weldon recited to Bradley the story of what happened. It was almost like a mantra to remember, a list to check off. He engaged us from outside of the truck, got back in his truck, we quit shooting, he started shooting again. The only reason to do that is to solidify that story with his co-shooter because Weldon could have left it at It Confirms Our Story, which I've said this before. The word story might be telling here because it really should be it confirms what happened. But that's not what he said. Now, I have a theory. Once, oh shit.

Once, Um, all right, so that whole, the whole weekend's, you know, it's like, it's like a loop. It just keeps playing over and over and over. So once you said there was two graze wounds and that one headshot. We don't know that. That's, that's a rumor. But that's what I'm going off of. Well then says rumor, but it could have only come from one place.

O'Re County police. But it wasn't true, at least not in the way that Weldon seems to understand it. Scott was not shot in the head. He had a graze mark on his left cheek and a graze mark on the back of his left arm right above his elbow. He was fatally shot in the upper right part of his back. But it is fascinating to listen to Weldon and Bradley work together to fit this into their narrative. Okay, so say if there is two graze, man, and a headshot.

I'm thinking, we obviously know the headshot was inside the vehicle. Yep. I remember when he popped his head up and we heard that little pop, pop, pop, and we shot again. I'm not saying it's exactly how it happened, but that is a small target that I know I focused on.

Not saying that I shot him in the head. I'm not saying that at all. But I'm saying that me and you both had a direct target I don't know, it's like we had that moment to like, who saw out, we broke, you know, we stopped shooting. And once it seemed ahead again, it was like, there's the target, hit it there. The detective told Ken that is when he was killed.

It's when he lifted him, or he said he was killed, because Ken told him, Weldon told me, that at one point he lifted himself up, and then that's when they finally knew where he was in the truck, and they shot in that area. And the detective said that's when they killed him. Here's the problem they got. We both were shooting 124 grain bullets.

They don't know whose bullets or whose. Unless they go through and they do the barrel twist test, which he told Ken will take like two more months. Because they send that off. Something tells me that they're going to want to test that now. Yeah, I don't know that we're really going to know who hit what, when, and where. There's nothing doesn't matter if we know you did it. No, fuck no.

The dude, we killed a dude. That's all that. This was Ken just explaining to me because Ken felt like we wanted to know who won the prize. And he was like, look, you're not really going to get that information unless you want. this case to stay open for three more months. I want to make what you just heard super clear. Ken Moss allegedly represented both Weldon and Bradley at this time. Here, Weldon is telling Ken's other client in this case

that he was talking to Ken about who shot the fatal bullet. Now, maybe Ken was explaining this to Weldon because Weldon had asked, hoping he'd won the prize. But the fact that Bradley doesn't have his own attorney at this point and the fact that his current attorney is jointly defending Bradley with Weldon's attorney Ken Moss, shows just how little Bradley understands the dangerous position he is in. Because even though the hand of one is the hand of all, meaning both Weldon and Bradley could be charged equally despite who actually killed Scott,

we all know there's a wiggle route, a better door to go through with prosecutors if a defendant is willing to cooperate. Assuming South Carolina Attorney General Alan Wilson is scared enough of his polling numbers to actually rethink his dumb decisions in this case. Weldon and Bradley then assure each other that Scott was reaching in the back seat of his truck, possibly looking to reload with ammo when they shot him back. You can pause the episode if you want to work that game of Twister out in your head. It's super annoying how they interpret the position of Scott's body as proof positive that Scott,

the so-called aggressor, was reaching in the backseat to reload at the time of his death. Scott was in front of Weldon and Bradley. Naturally, to fire back, he'd have to be facing toward the back seat toward them with his arm extended out. And I told him, I said, I don't give a crap about that. And I said that I knew when he lifted up, that's what he was, he was going for more ammo. Because when I read that they moved his body and the slide was locked to the rear and the mag was empty, he was laying down for cover the only reason he would have exposed himself was to open that console and get that next magazine out that makes sense and that's when we fight because you can hear us on

the on the call where is he I can't see them but when he fired those three shots and he lifted up me and you both went right back at it so first Why did Weldon know about the MAG that was in Scott's console? He shouldn't have. Oh, right, a corrupt police department sharing details of the investigation with the shooter. Got it. Second, Liz spent an extraordinary amount of time the other night looking through evidence photos from Scott's truck. Guess which photo was blurry?

The one showing the MAG in the console. It was tagged as evidence in the photo, but the photo was blurry, Meaning it's impossible to see if the mag had ammo in it. And I know what some of you are thinking right now. Typical Yankee, she doesn't know that our boys keep the full magazines within reach. Fine. Let's say that the Silver Springfield 45 ACP mag with a 10 cartridge capacity was full and ready to go. It would not have been at the ready for Scott in the middle of that shooting.

He likely would have opened the console while still taking cover. and not having to pop his head up based on his size and what we see in the photos. But Scott would have had to dig for that mag in the console, because on top of it was a full can of Love Boho Wildheart white bronzer, mosquito repellent, a dryer sheet, a box of ammo, a box of Office Depot staples, a razor, a stapler with a built-in pencil sharpener, travel-sized toothpaste,

and a container of ice breakers, ice cubes, sugar-free, Experiment gum. Before we get to the next part of the call to play you, I want you all to hear again the gunfire part of Weldon's 911 call. So you have that in your mind. Weldon back up. Well, I can't put it in gear. Put it in gear. Backing up, back it up, back it up, back and up. I can't be fucking leave him alone. Hey, help us, please. Okay, back to the phone call. Yeah, and you can hear a distinct.

was pause and the recording yeah and you'll hear but the shots aren't as if you listen to the recording the shots aren't as fast as when we first started shooting we first started shooting we was fucking throwing everything we were gaining fire superiority is what i told ken once he got in the truck though if you hear the shots that we actually did shoot they were very slow how how how how how how well we finally knew where he was um so that's when we killed him Ken still doesn't know how many times he was hit. Brandon's the one who told me originally, y'all tagged his ass pretty good. Now, you know, he could have had five flesh wounds that ain't worth a shit.

But I do know some rounds went through his head. No rounds went through Scott Spivey's head. But the good thing out of this is now no one can argue that he was not outside of the vehicle trying to shoot us and no one can argue that he got in his vehicle with the intention to flee because he shot his weapon outside the vehicle

and then he got in the vehicle he emptied his weapon from there and he even made the effort to expose his body in a shootout to get the second magazine yes I've seen that big as hold to tell you know when I was looking at the pictures

I mean, that's obviously the biggest hole there. I was looking at it. I was like, you know, maybe I did that one. And maybe it went sideways. But I didn't never blow it up. No, you and I saw the same thing, because I stared at that picture for the last two days. And then it just clicked to me. I'm like, wait a minute.

The medals wrapped back out and around. Silver part of the right side of the hole. Exactly. That's a shot. That's why I texted you and said this was him shooting at us. It was just such a big hole I didn't understand it But now knowing he was shooting a 45

With hollow points They were staring at the photos Weldon had taken at the crime scene Looking for evidence that this was Scott shooting at them Why would Weldon have to stare at a photo For two days? He said Scott shot first

And so that's why he shot back Oh, writes He knows that there was actually Only one casing outside of Scott's truck And that actually It could be argued that Scott never shot at them from outside of the truck because that casing could have fallen out of the truck,

just like it did for Weldon when he opened his truck door. Another thing, 45, I mean, you know, I'm not having to give for 45, I love 45, but 45 is just what, and he falls quick. Yeah, 800 and something feet per second, and once you send that through the cab of a truck and a tailgate, where are you at? I mean, the main thing is that if I had dropped, Well, Ken said it best, there can be no argument that he was not committed to this fight.

He emptied a magazine between two different points and then made an effort to reload to get back in the fight. He said he was reloading not long after y'all can be heard on the 911 call reloading. Because Ken says, you hear me yell, I need a mag. Ken laughed and said I told Bailey it would have been funny if he yelled we need an airstrike

he's going to Representative right Which is Bailey Bailey's the state representative Okay He's

He's the one You're going to meet him after this because he's going to try and get us a proclamation for bravery where we're going to have to go to Columbia

and dress nice and be awarded a proclamation for the second amendment shit. It hurts my head listening to Weldon's inaccuracies, exaggerations, and bloviating. Also, Bailey is a reference to Representative William Bailey who told the Myrtle Beach Sun News last April that he was asked to do a proclamation. The paper doesn't say who, William said, asked him,

but that he would, quote, never have considered it. The only thing about that, I mean, I get one side. me a little bit over a second minute the only thing about that it's not going to push like this pride thing towards the family where it's gone nothing they can do at that point because here's the thing their big thing is we murdered him their argument is not going to stand when the evidence comes out that he emptied an entire magazine between two different points that means he fired and maneuvered so and he made an effort to reload and stay in the fight.

Bradley, me and you never moved. We didn't even unbuckle our seatbelts. We were stuck in that fight. He maneuvered around that fight. So we're good. We're golden at this point. Ken said that information cannot get out because it has not been written in a report yet.

Oh, cool. So that sounds like confirmation that Ken Moss was getting critical. information about the investigation from the Ori County Police Department before they memorialized it officially in their reports. Makes me wonder whether anything got left out, and it makes me wonder whether any vetting was going on. Also, super interesting how that body camera footage is missing of Ken Moss talking to the officer at the checkpoint who then radioed Officer Damon Viscovy to tell him that someone from Ori Electric needed to get behind the crime

scene tape to see a client. Anyway, back to the call. Yeah, I'm not going to say anything. I'm very, very, very limited to what I'm telling me. If anybody does ask, just tell him, look. I just tell them simple as that, you know, either, so far it's been mainly about you. And all I tell them is, you know, don't listen to the rumors, self-defense, that's all I can tell you. Yeah, I've told some people he started a gunfight and lost. I mean, he didn't call me yesterday at work. He was asking, he was like, Howl's Weldon?

You know, he was actually, he sounded generally concerned about you. He was like, dude, I was making sure he's okay. Who? I was like, I can't kid. He called, and, you know, I was very briefly. And I was like, but self-defense, he's good. That's all I can tell you. I was like, but if you hear any rumors, just tell him self-defense, that's it.

don't talk about it don't do that like that no we're going to look like we're going to look like Ken said that he's going to make us look like heroes before this thing's over we're going I don't want it to come across

arrogance it won't come across with arrogance because here's how Bailey sees it and Jimmy Richardson who's the head solicitor for Ory County that's top dog his exact words to Ken this morning were in my opinion those boys are heroes because this guy was a danger to everyone around him and when everybody else pulled over, backed off, or fled, they followed to make sure a police officer could find him.

Nice. So, no, we're going to, this is going to be fine. I'm so glad to hear that there was casings outside of the vehicle and inside. Yeah, I just want that undeniable. fact that, yes, that's what exactly happened. Even though we say it happened, we know it happened, I want other people to feel like, it's undeniable. It did happen that way. Again, it did not happen that way. There's only one casing outside of Scott's truck, and it could have fallen out. Well, we now know that there's no contest. We will be getting

self-defense, justifiable homicide, and there's nothing that can be done. And Ken said, this is going to drastically limit the family's options on civil recourse. Right. Well, the only factual thing here is that Weldon is not psychic. Now, if he had fired one shot, two shots, got in the truck, and was trying to put it in drive, and then we gunned him down in the back while he was trying, okay, we're from. Yeah, that's a different story. Right.

But now that they know that he engaged outside the vehicle and inside the vehicle and attempted a reload to get back in the fight, they ain't got shit. They're just going to have to chew it. That's what, that was Ken's words. He said they're just going to have to chew it. I mean, it's a shitty situation all the around. I mean, you know, careful with the words, but I mean, it's a shitty situation all around. But that whole scenario could not have played more perfect forgiven scenario, if that makes sense. Ken told me that I had a horseshoe up my ass.

He said, what are the chances that you get in a shootout and you got five independent witnesses where none of them know you and none of them know each other all stopped to back up your story? Yeah. Just poking my head in here to remind you that witnesses number two, 2 and 3 are married, so they do know each other. Witness number 2 only saw what happened on Camp Swamp Road. Also witnesses number 4 and 5 are married, so they also know each other. Also, all of the witnesses got a narration from Weldon at the scene before and after police arrived. We'll talk more about this call after a quick commercial break, and we'll be right back.

So we are back to the phone call between Weldon Boyd and Bradley Williams two days after Scott Spivey's death. As a reminder, we only have access to this call because Old Weldon had an app on his phone recording all of his conversations, and he likely forgot about that when he handed his phone over to the police. He said that this had to happen on a back road where it was. it was just you, Bradley, and that vehicle, and there was no one else around, he said this would have been a whole different situation. Yeah, I believe so. And Brandon said, just be thankful he wasn't black.

Yeah. I mean, that's true. So, Bradley, I know it's fucked up to say, but I had a fucking blast. I know it's fucked up, but I'm a fucked up person. well I mean it is what it is I had a good time

the main thing is I'm glad you're okay I'm glad me okay I mean like I said it is what it is I feel no remorse for that dude I hate the situation just because it's just bullshit

but I mean he fucked up I mean what else you want to say it's like guy asked me today, he was like, I mean, he said, I mean, he was being like genuine. He wasn't being like, you're wrong for this. He was like, are you, have you given any thought that's just like apologizing to his mom? I went to fuck. I looked at him. He was out at the

farm. I said, apologize to his mom. I said, if I see his mom, I'm going to look her in the eye and say, your son tried to kill me. I mean, you want me to sugarcoat that? And we have to play the victim. That's the biggest thing is Ken's made it very clear. You are the victim. Don't show sympathy because what are you sad about? That it was you who lived and not him? Reminder.

When Officer Damon Viscovy got off the phone with Ken Moss at the scene, he then wrote, Act like a victim in his notepad and Slyly showed it to Weldon. Interesting that Ken Moss said this same thing to Weldon. Huh. No emotion there. I mean, I don't give a sucking. Do you not remember me telling you, like, two years ago that it, they ain't nothing to shooting somebody?

Yeah, it really isn't. I told you that, like, two years ago, people, I forgot what conversation we were having, we were talking to somebody, and they were like, I just don't know if I could do it. And I said, there ain't nothing to it. Reminder, Weldon Boyd has never aimed a gun at someone, never mind killed a person. Also, he saw no combat when he was in Operation Iraqi Freedom. Come on, Carr. But it's over. It's fun.

We got that experience. We got a stateside notch. Yeah. We should go get tear drop tattoos. You know, I didn't want to say that. We was going home from the farm. That's what I first thought was. We got to get tear drop tattoos or spiderweatherweb with our elbows.

We got to find somewhere on our box. to put a tear drop. I'm doing it. Me and you're going to fucking do it. I don't give a shit. We're doing it. Oh, my gosh. Battle buddies. And that's what I told Ken. I said, you know, the big thing is he protected me.

I protected him. Our lives were in danger. There was no backing up. There was no getting out of there. And Ken said, well, you know, okay, well, what if they ask you this? Why didn't you put the truck in reverse and try to maneuver out? I said because then I would have just exposed Bradley more on his side. And while I'm trying to move a truck around, there's still a guy walking towards us with a gun trying to shoot us.

And clearly in the recording, you say I can't. Which is golden. Ken said the things we said on that recording, he said the mag change thing was a little gun ho. But he said the things we said, head were golden. But when you asked for the mag, he was already dead. Yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, oh yeah, that's when I was going to walk up and check.

But I knew I did, I either was, I knew I either had two left or one left. I lost count when he put his head up. Yeah. Well, I was out. Okay, so I ran out. When he was getting in the truck, my slide was locked back. I reached down, dunk my bag, grabbed the one out of my bag, put it back in, rack the slide and then that's when he popped again so honestly i cannot remember if i had

124 full metal jackets in that sphere mag or hollow points i don't know that would be one determining factor if there was full metal jacket is what killed him then there's their lies who killed who well we'll find out i think um we'll know what they'll be the report will say hollow points or full metal jacket. It will say that much. Okay. Well, I mean, like I said, I mean, I don't care. Well, you know, it could have been a full metal jacket that hit him in the head because

when I looked at him, I could see part of his head and it wasn't just liquefied. And I feel like a hollow point might have... A hollow point should have blew the side out. Yeah. Now, I could not

see his face. So I don't know what it looked like from his ear forward on either side but the back of his head was intact but if he was lifting a center console he likely had his head turned more he probably got shot in the face so i don't know but our story has been proven tonight when we told him them that he engaged us not Not one shot, not a warning shot in the air. He straight up engaged us from the outside of the truck advancing towards us.

And when he realized he was outgunned, and whether that was when he was getting grazed or he got tagged a few times, he retreated to his truck. And when he crawled in that truck, you and me stopped. And then when he fired three more shots, he lifted his head up and finally we saw him. and whatever, I don't know how many more times we shot after that, but that ended it. Remember the mantra. He engaged us from outside of the truck. Got back in his truck, we quit shooting, he started shooting again. But again, it's unhinged to think that the single casing outside of Scott's truck validates their story.

Sorry, story. I've been listening to Weldon Talk for far too long now. And just the wording of that, our story has been proven. tonight when we told him that he engaged us? What part of the evidence proves this? Because one casing outside of Scott's truck could also be proof of so many other scenarios,

all of which include Scott being fired upon and defending himself. I want to say I'll have three or four more shot. I don't know. I can't remember. It was three or four for me. But there were slow shots. They wasn't fucking like, oh, fuck. Pama, blah, blah.

I mean, it was calculated shot. There he is. He's right there. I didn't know where the fuck he was for a minute. I mean, I'm like, and he's shooting. That's the only time I leaned over because he was shooting and I could not fucking see him. And I did not like that part. Yeah, well, see, that was my problem is I'm in the passenger seat. So I'm looking broadside across the windshield.

Like I said, I started shooting and then I started slowly moving my way to the door. My last shots, I was busted through fresh glass. because that's the only way I could see him. I can't see them through the holes that's already there. I'm constantly moving over so I can see it. I mean, I was aiming at the fucking back in cab, but mainly I was trying to aim what. But I think it's not so much where I fucked up.

It's just now knowing what I know, when I said knowing valuable information, no compensators, fuck that shit, because my hair drum still fucked. They're great for three gun competitions. Just to clarify what you all just heard, Weldon and Bradley are talking about their technique in killing Scott Spivey, as if Scott Spivey were nothing more than a training target at Weldon's farm.

And worse, they go on to talk about how they can improve for next time by calibrating their guns to shoot more accurately at a long distance since Scott was 30 yards from them, and their guns were calibrated for a much shorter distance. Before we get off of that, though, as far as our zeros, we might want to start zero to like 25 yards. Yeah, you ain't kidding. I had like a 7 or 10 yards here, and I'm pretty sure my zero was set with what I shoot with the most, which is that ball in. Not mile points. Well, then why don't we just do this? Sunday we'll go out to the first.

farm and we'll set it up out there and we'll just zero both the new pistols. I'll spare you the back and forth here as they talked about when the new accoutrement for Bradley's pistol was set to arrive. A lot of us have had questions and opinions about Weldon and Bradley immediately going to Palmetto State Armory the next morning to buy new guns. Both men seem to have plenty of backup guns to use after theirs were seized as evidence. So why did they need new ones, and why did they need them immediately? David actually had a theory, and we think he's right about this. Weldon and Bradley went to buy replacement pistols the next morning, possibly to show that they could, that they weren't in trouble for killing someone. It might have

been sort of an insurance policy for the future in case they were charged, so that part of their defense argument could include, if we're murderers, then why did Orie County Police say it was okay for us to go buy guns next day at Alan Wilson's family's gun store. Listen to the next part of this conversation. For reference, Weldon had a semi-automatic rifle in the truck when he shot and killed Scott. It was broken down into two pieces, an upper and a lower, as they're referred to here. The upper part of the rifle had a suppressor on it. Weldon was permitted to have the firearm and he had registered it with the federal government, but he and his lawyer still seemed really concerned about the weapons presence and Weldon's truck, and not just concerned about it getting stolen or going

missing. Also, Jimmy is a reference to Jimmy Richardson, the 15th Circuit solicitor, the guy whose office was supposed to be examining whether Weldon and Bradley should be prosecuted. And Alan is Ory County Police Detective Alan Jones, who was the lead investigator in Scott's case. Hey, what's the story on that? When you're going to get the truck back? they said that what they do is they hand the trucks over to a private towing company so that'll happen tomorrow and then I can go to their yard and retrieve my vehicle however they um my my NFA items are locked up at the precinct and Allen did that because he did not want a suppressor going in my truck to an impound lot with a third party with a suppressor in it.

Nice. Good deal. So nothing is going to come up with the R.A. No. They, no, I, uh, Ken talked to Jimmy about that. And Ken said, Jimmy, there's things in there that, uh, you need to know about. And Jimmy said, okay. And he said, there's a lower and then there's an upper.

And there's a suppressor on that upper. And that's legal. He said, but if someone puts the lower on the upper, it's not legal. And Jimmy said, Ken, I thought you were about to tell me there was some cocaine under the seat or some shit. Don't worry about that. He said, anything that wasn't using that shooting, I will tell them today to inventory it as not involved in the incident. And it'll go in a bag and they ain't going to look at it. Nice.

Good bill. So, but when I tell you, we had a lot of. of my friends work together on this for us we definitely did because had this been reversed had we been in Brunswick County or or yeah had we been in his county where he lives this would have been ugly so I do believe so all right let me call mom and dad and um I know more, I'll let you know more. But just don't expect anything to be closed out for the next.

He's going to talk to their family the week after next. I'm sorry, but how does none of this resonate with South Carolina Attorney General Alan Wilson? Quote, when I tell you, we had a lot of friends work together on this for us. Is the kind of thing that you say when you aren't so sure that the evidence is going to work in your favor? People who know they did nothing wrong don't tend to employ an army of powerful pals to make sure that it looks that way. Alan Wilson can see the evidence of the powerful pals helping here. He can see that Weldon considered himself lucky for it. How does he not understand the math on that?

If this were a cut and dried black and white, 100% clear-cut case of self-defense, Weldon wouldn't need the help, but certainly wouldn't be saying the things he said in this call, in our opinions. But also, Alan Wilson's office wouldn't have to make a quilt of legal scraps to protect Weldon and Bradley from getting charged. The phone call ends with Weldon engaging in one of his seemingly favorite hobbies, puffing himself up and being really, really bad at predicting the future. So you've roughly got two more weeks to the shit's closed out. Right, but it's going to start dying down this week. Now that that statement's out, and I've already talked to some news people, they want to do an interview with me and you.

I gave that stuff to Ken. We'll deal with all that once the investigation's closed, but they know WMBF has a good reputation with me, so the guy who I always worked with reached out to me, he said, we're not going to release anything until, until the police report is finalized and made public. So we don't have to worry about WNBF. WPDE there, I don't have any standing with them.

So they may release something sooner than anybody else, but overall, exactly. So WNBF is the one that pretty much the rest of them watch. And I'm in with them. So we're good there. There's not going to be anything really coming out there unless breaking it. The only thing, there's always a chance that there's going to be a curveball thrown in the middle of this whole thing that's going to blow up and they're going to have to look into it. But I don't know of anything that could.

No. I mean, not with all the goodness is not at all. I mean, everything that went on. I mean, I just don't see how. Well, a six witness did show up this month. morning and that witness is completely against us yeah and Ken did bring that to my attention I didn't tell you about it because he said give it a couple hours because the tech is going to look into it and the guy called Ken back later this afternoon and told Ken she's pretty much saying

that the guy had a gun in his hand and was hollering at him to leave him alone and they just started shooting and gunned them down. Oh, God. But he said, but what she's saying makes no sense because you've got five other witnesses that tell a completely different story. Yeah.

And hers just comes out of nowhere, out of the woodworks, and she can't even, I don't think she could even, like, specifically explain where she was at the time, whether she was passing by on nine. So, they

disregarded it okay so it's not going to be filed with the report uh it'll go in the report but it doesn't it doesn't match the other five so it's not relevant it's not plausible okay I see that's the nothing I'm kind of worried about it's just people making shit up oh yeah I speak what happened well Tabor City's out for us or out for me they don't know your name yet but I've got friends of Tabor City and they are um Even Ken has heard that there's a lot of people in Tabor City who want justice. But guess what? This ain't fucking North Carolina.

And sorry, your boy, in Ken's words, your boy came down here and caused trouble and got his ass killed. Yeah. So, we're golden. Good deal. All right, I'll talk to him a while. All right, man. Bye. You better believe that we will be.

talking about that sixth witness in a feature episode. There is a reason we laid out the witness episodes the way that we did. We wanted you to hear from the witnesses themselves. They're recorded interviews in their written statements. And we wanted you to see where they lined up with Weldon's story and where they did not. And because of how often, like 100% of the time, Weldon mischaracterizes their accounts as fully supporting his, which they plainly do not. If there's one account corroborated by witness number six, it's that of witness number two, who saw Scott outside his truck with a gun by his side and the slide back, yelling at Weldon to stop following him before Weldon unloaded his mag in Scott's direction. We have so much more to talk about when it comes

to Weldon's mission to protect Bradley, whose first words to Weldon when the shooting stopped were why couldn't Weldon leave Scott alone, and whose post-shooting conversations with Weldon were either erased or redacted to hell or included recitations from Weldon about what they did and what happened. Quote, he engaged us from outside of the truck, got back in his truck, we quit shooting, he started shooting again. Bradley, the battle buddy, Weldon called the very next day after this conversation so he could instruct him to delete their Facebook messages and remind him again what their narrative is.

More on that, later. Stay tuned, stay pesky, and stay in the sunlight. True Sunlight is a Lunashark production created by me, Mandy Matney, co-hosted and reported by journalist Liz Farrell. Research support provided by Beth Braden. Audio production support provided by Jamie Hoffman, case file management provided by Kate Thomas. Learn more about our mission and membership at lunasharkmedia.com. Interruptions provided by Luna and Joe Pesky.