Murdaugh Murders Podcast - TSP #127 - “Just Being Friendly" and Other Lies Men Tell Featuring: Green Shirt Guy, Randy Webster and Alan Wilson

Starting point is 00:00:00 I don't know how these good old boys get the audacity. But between the winiest motion for a speedy trial that I have ever seen and ORI County officials trying to get away with their sexual harassment cover-up by renaming a building, we have a lot to unpack y'all. And more allegedly worst men pageant contestants. My name is Mandy Matney. This is True Sunlight, a podcast exposing crime and corruption, previously known as the Murdoch Murders podcast. True Sunlight is a Luna Shark production, written with journalist Liz Ferrell.

Starting point is 00:00:51 So, today is the 28th anniversary of my brother Michael's death. And I just want to reflect on the impact he has been. made on my life. It really isn't an impact. His death shaped my entire life and changed the trajectory of my destiny. From that cold, terrible day in December that we lost him, I felt driven and destined to do big things with the life that I was given, to not take a second for granted. There would be no Murdoch Murdoch's podcast, no Cup of Justice podcast, or no true Sunlight Podcast without Michael Matney, who I was lucky to know for seven years of my little life. All I have ever wanted to do since he died was make him proud and do something positive

Starting point is 00:01:38 with the pain that his death has left me with. There is a scene in episode five of Murdoch death in the family where Britney Snow talks about Michael's death and how it motivated me to help Sandy Smith and other grieving families. Watching that scene come to life on Hulu was a major milestone for me in my healing journey. It made me realize that I did what I set out to do. I made sure that his memory will never be forgotten and that his name will forever be a line in a loo show. I am so proud of that.

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Starting point is 00:02:58 That link is in the description, and it makes a really great gift too. Thank you. Two weeks ago, we released one of my all-time favorite podcast episodes, True Sunlight 125, our first ever True Sunlight podcast's allegedly Worst Men Pageant Award show. And in the last two weeks, it has come to my attention that we left out four viable and worthy contenders. The first two are Greg Parker and Mark Moore, and I'm pretty sure all of episode 126 in our most recent social media posts explains exactly why they deserve those nominations. The other two are former Beaufort County Sheriff's Office deputy, Billy Squires,

Starting point is 00:03:42 and his green shirt neighbor, Brian Henry Staluber. You know, those two good old bows who were charged in October after a video showed them allegedly harassing, assaulting, and pointing a weapon at neighborhood kids. Squires is facing four felony charges of pointing and presenting a firearm at a person in one count of aggravated breach of peace. Stallaber, aka green shirtman on the ATV who appeared to be the instigator of the whole incident, was charged with aggravated breach of peace and making a false complaint to a law enforcement officer. Remember how in SLED's report, Stolliber was identified as the instigator of the entire thing. Here is David with the first paragraph of that report. On September 28th, 2025,

Starting point is 00:04:37 in the county of Beaufort, State of South Carolina, the defendant, William Squires, committed the offense of pointing and presenting a firearm, a neighbor. Brian, Stulliver told the defendant in a brief roadway conversation that he thought a group of juveniles had a gun. The defendant, under the influence of alcohol, while off duty, dressed as a civilian and in his undercover sheriff's office, White Toyota Tundra, engaged a group of juveniles and inquired as to what they were doing in the neighborhood. This interoperable, interaction is captured on a cell phone recording. Now, without recapping this entire situation, I want to remind y'all that in our opinion,

Starting point is 00:05:30 these two bows, protected by their white privilege and good old boy power, were vastly undercharged and should feel lucky that SLED did not throw the book at them like they could have. Remember, there was video evidence of Billy, who was apparently intoxicated, driving his work vehicle while harassing the teenagers about where they lived. There was also a video of Brian straddling a child and pressing his hand on his lower back slash bottom. These bows could have faced charges like DUI, kidnapping, assault with a deadly weapon, just to name a few. And you would think that they would just hang their heads and quietly wait for the system to come through like it usually does

Starting point is 00:06:13 for men like them, and eventually give them a dumb sentence, like probation and community service, you know, like Becky Hill got this week. And again, these are Sled's own words about the incident. The defendant, under the influence of alcohol, aggressively engaged a group of juveniles in the Squiresgate neighborhood by approaching them on a four-wheeler, persistently questioning and harassing them and telling neighbor William Squires that he thought the juveniles had a gun on them. This interaction was recorded from the defendant using meta-glasses and captured on a cell phone recording from one of the juveniles. The defendant failed to contact law enforcement dispatch. And later, during the second encounter with the juveniles, the defendant physically restrained one juvenile and

Starting point is 00:07:09 applied choking pressure, all while contributing to a volatile scene that escalated community alarm. A choking? Physically restrained? Children? What? In Brian's case, one would think that he would be feeling like a pretty lucky good old boy to only face the two charges that he has. But no, Brian had to do what good old boys do best, double down and one. whine loudly, which is why he earns a spot in our 2025 allegedly worst men pageant. Brian Stoliver's criminal defense attorney, Gregory Galvin, filed a dramatic 18-page memo in support of a motion for a speedy trial. And y'all, we have to unpack this memo because

Starting point is 00:08:02 the audacity, ugh, it is a shining example of absurd audacity on behalf of half of the good old boys. So this thing starts out with Brian's last name being spelled wrong in the caption. In the part that, you know, is really important, it says, state of South Carolina, verse classic good old boy, his name spelled wrong. And then it's followed by a table of contents

Starting point is 00:08:28 that starts with the following words in all caps. David? Introduction, this is the most dangerous prosecution in South Carolina history. Oh, really? In the state that executed a black 14-year-old boy named George Steiny, who was the youngest person to be executed in the United States in the 20th century,

Starting point is 00:08:58 for a crime that he did not commit, only to come back decades later to say, whoopsie, are bad. But go on, Beau. Here's David with that. memo. By prosecuting a citizen for reporting what he reasonably believed to be an armed threat, the state of SC has declared open season on those who would protect their communities. Uh, wait, what? To be clear, this interaction started like this. When Big Boy Brian and his Big Boy

Starting point is 00:09:32 ATV saw three 13-year-olds walking down his street. According to the Post and Courier, he wrote his ATV parallel with the children. When the kids asked him to stop and told him to move on, one of them, according to the paper, told Brian, you are 40 years old. Bro, you're drunk as expletive, which I think we can all guess what that expletive is. According to the paper, Brian finally spoke and said, quote, all I want to say is, hey, how y'all doing? That's when the kids said this. And we said we're good And you ask us where we stay It's none of your business

Starting point is 00:10:10 You're not you're not a cop I don't give it Cool I wait Yeah If I punch you in the face I'm wrong Can I just pause here

Starting point is 00:10:22 And say that until this past year I never understood fully How many adult male predators Were out there See Epstein Judge Gosnell R.J. May Please tell your children

Starting point is 00:10:33 To never ever trust a random adult especially when they were asking kids for their personal information, like where they live. These kids were 100% right to tell him it was none of his business. They were walking on a public street in a public neighborhood. Stahlheber, spelled by his lawyer in this memo as both Stahl Berger and Stahl Herber, was allegedly drinking and illegally driving his ATV when he was demanding respect from these random kids. And, sir, that ain't how it works. It's 2025, and respect from both adults and children is earned, not automatically deserved.

Starting point is 00:11:13 I'm not sure where the cognitive disconnect is here for men like Brian, but men who feel threatened by 13-year-old boys are not neighborhood protectors. They are neighborhood menaces creating chaos that is unnecessary. Nobody wants to be protected by someone who can't handle a few unarmed 13-year-olds. And notice I said unarmed because police, found no evidence of the kids having a weapon on them. So big boy Brian needs to stop pretending like they were armed. In my opinion, his apparent paranoia of neighborhood children does not change the fact that they were not armed. Might I remind y'all of what the SLED report says about that? During an initial on-scene interview with the defendant by the Buford County Sheriff's Office, BCSO,

Starting point is 00:12:02 The defendant told a BCSO sergeant that an extended handgun magazine was reportedly observed and flashed by a juvenile at the defendant. No weapon was recovered from the juvenile and through the defendant's own admission in later interviews, he never saw a weapon or an extended magazine, but only assumed they had one based on posturing of the teen. Okay, so big boy Brian apparently needs to get a story straightened out with his attorney because yikes. But it's really important to know that this man is filing this whiny memo demanding that he skips the line for trial has already admitted that this entire situation stemmed from his wrong assumption that the kids had a weapon when they didn't. Now, we are going to talk about this more, but Brian did not call the police in this moment when he should have. He instead rolled over to his pal, Blue Bow, Billy's house. Billy was off duty and also had been drinking and should have said,

Starting point is 00:13:07 Bo, call the police. Instead, Billy made a series of really bad decisions and threw on half of his little uniform and armed himself with his service weapon to threaten the children with, which led to this chaos. Mom! He's dragging him! Yo, what are you doing? What are you grabbing him? Now! What the fuck is your problem? Mom! Call the sheriff's office.

Starting point is 00:13:33 Hey, come on the ground. What the fuck did we do? At the end of the video, the boys were kneeling on the ground, begging for help with deputy squires hovering over them. In the distance, two men stomped toward the boys as they screamed for mercy. But help was not on the way. The two men appeared to be on Squire's side. Get the fuck on the ground, Stahlheber said.

Starting point is 00:13:58 Really keeping the neighborhood safe, right, Bo? Okay, back to this absurd memo. On page four, attorney, I guess, Greg Galvin included a political cartoon of an elderly man telling the cop he was robbed by a masked man. Yes, I said political cartoon. In a legal filing. The elderly man told the cop, officer, he broke into my house at gunpoint. And the cop responds, I know, but he has more TikTok followers and released a more viral video than you. Get more followers and we will arrest him next time.

Starting point is 00:14:31 Oh, boy, y'all, he's going to go there. Big Boy, Brian, is a victim of influencer culture and not of his own unregulated emotions and impulses. The next section of the filing is titled The Government's Violation of the Safety Rule, Prosecution by TikTok. And I'm going to have David read you the first three dramatic and ridiculous paragraphs. The government has violated the safety rule in a manner that should alarm every citizen and every member of this court. This prosecution was not initiated based upon a careful evaluation of evidence.

Starting point is 00:15:12 The prosecution was born from a viral TikTok video, a carefully selected, deliberately edited snippet of a broader encounter that told only the portion of the story. story calculated to generate maximum outrage and maximum clicks and public outrage. The video that spawned this prosecution did not show the juvenile with what appeared to be a firearm protruding from his waistband. It did not show the juvenile placing his hand on the apparent weapon in a matter consistent with an intent to draw and fire. It did not show Brian Stalberger retreating to safety and immediately reporting the threat to his neighbor, an off-duty law enforcement officer.

Starting point is 00:16:05 It did not show Brian retreating to his house, did not show him placing his family behind safes in his own house, which were pushed up against the doors to stop bullets. It did not show the same juvenile subsequently attacking an off-duty police officer. It showed only what its creator wanted the world to see, a carefully curated scene stripped of all context, designed not to inform, but to inflame and make viral clickbait. Okay, a few things. The video didn't show a weapon because there wasn't one. It's so annoying that lawyers in South Carolina can write sentences that are intentionally deceiving

Starting point is 00:16:51 like that. And also, what TikTok is he talking about? The most popular TikTok video from this incident is News Nation's video that does not name either Billy or Brian, and it's clearly from the kid's perspective, and was clearly raw and appeared not to be edited beside the captions News Nation added. It's funny that this entire memo doesn't mention the fact that, according to police, Brian was wearing meta-glasses that recorded video. If Brian had a video from his glasses, showing the kids with a gun and showing this completely different story about what went down. Why didn't he share it with the media like the kids' families did? Why didn't he link to that video in the filing to correct the narrative for the media covering the story? His lawyer talks a big

Starting point is 00:17:38 game about wanting to clear his name. Prosecution by TikTok, as he puts it, goes both ways, baby. Anyway, it's telling that they didn't share a video with this memo. Here's David with a another absurd paragraph whining about prosecution by TikTok. It is a sad day for justice in South Carolina when the government is driven by viral videos and clickbait at the expense of hardworking citizens who do nothing more than follow the safety rules and protect their community and follow the orders of a law enforcement officer. It is sadder still when that government having been stampeded is into prosecution by social media,

Starting point is 00:18:23 refuses to protect the very citizen it prosecutes from documented ongoing threats, leaving Brian, his wife, and his daughter to fend for themselves while simultaneously confiscating the firearms they would use for self-defense. Attached to this motion are three videos, showing threats against Brian and his whole community, including one showing the juveniles,

Starting point is 00:18:50 attempting to break into houses in the community. The community is not safe now, and the government is too scared of viral videos to protect a community that is under siege. Hopefully, the sheriff's office will read this motion and protect the community by setting up a significant number of more patrols in the community because the residents were sent a message. Protect your community and yourself at your own risk. Ugh, can we talk about how often lawyers bend the truth to prove their weird points?

Starting point is 00:19:28 Extra patrols? You're asking for that? Okay, so y'all get it. It is dramatic A.F. And if this was written by a woman, she would be laughed out of the courthouse. But whatever, Galvin goes on to say that his client, Stahlberger, which he spells Stahlberger, and that's not his name, was just a quote-unquote, abiding citizen, minding his own business on a Sunday afternoon watching football and riding his ATV around as one adult does. When he approached three juveniles, who he claims have a history of, quote-unquote, terrorizing his neighborhood, and he told them that he was watching them,

Starting point is 00:20:11 which is creepy, in my opinion. But he claims that the use, he says use, had what appeared to be a firearm on them, but wasn't. And that shook Brian up, and so he, quote-unquote, retreated to his neighbor's house who happened to be a law enforcement officer. Galvin fails to mention at this point Brian's unhinged neighbor, Billy Squires, ran out there and pulled a service weapon on the children and took one of their bags. At that point, Galvin claims that the three youths, quote-unquote, attacked Billy, and this part wasn't at all on video, but allegedly they claim that a uniformed officer commanded that Brian helped him by restraining one of the juveniles. At that point in the videos that we've seen, Brian's large good old boy body was straddling a 13-year-old with his hand

Starting point is 00:21:09 pressed on his lower back. And that seemed like, I don't know, kidnapping and assaults, and if the prosecution was doing what Galvin is accusing them of doing in this wild legal memo, one would think that he would have faced more serious charges. Here is David reading a good summary paragraph. When the government effectively allows, quote, viral videos and online outrage to identify, quote, people that he thinks he should get, end quote, because of a visual, viral video and then searches for charges, the dynamic is the same one Jackson described. The focus shills from, quote, cases that need to be prosecuted, end quote, to targeted individuals

Starting point is 00:22:01 turning prosecutorial discretion into exactly the, quote, most dangerous power of the prosecutor, end quote, he condemned to please the online masses. I wonder how many times Galvin has been called dramatic in his life because something tells me it has not been enough. Anyways, Galvin continues to whine on several pages about how, quote, government by clickbait endangers every citizen. And I just need to say something right now. What Galvin is trying to say is that he thinks that the government should never respond to public outcry and outrage when bad deeds are exposed on the internet. Good old boys hate the internet. See Murdoch Death in the Family on Hulu for a crash course in that. Like bats, good old boys thrive in darkness.

Starting point is 00:22:59 Sunlight disorients them. For the common folks of society, sunlight and social media are often our only chance at justice, and cell phone videos are often our only and best chance at a defense. According to the lawsuit filed by the children's parents against Squires, Stalabur, and the Beaufort County Sheriff's Office, officers on scene that day actually arrested one of those boys and they were close to charging him until they saw the video evidence that proved the children's word over Billy Squires. Before the video, it was their word against Billy the Master Sergeant. Think about that. And Gregory Galvin, the attorney, thinks that it's,

Starting point is 00:23:44 dangerous to society for police to use that video evidence as prosecution. And he goes on for several more pages about how Stolabar's family, quote, now sleeps behind gun safes lined against their walls for protection, a desperate, improvised measure that should scare every official who participated in this persecution. Tell me more about how the guy whose over-dramatization, hysteria, and paranoia, that led to him getting charged in this case thinks he has to sleep behind gun safes. The memo also claims that the government took Stolliber's firearms as well. And I just need to say something.

Starting point is 00:24:29 In my opinion, every sentence of this memo tells me that Stoliber is not emotionally intelligent enough to be around guns. If he is so scared of teenagers that he makes his family hide behind gun safes, maybe he should take a step back from being the neighborhood protector that this motion claims that he wants to be and maybe he should just go to therapy. Trust me, what South Carolina does not need is more Weldon Boyd's going around being all willy-nilly playing cops with no repercussions. And now, here's the kicker. Brian is requesting for an April jury trial. He wants his guns back bad, y'all. Here is David with the last part of the memo.

Starting point is 00:25:19 Brian Stahlberger is not asking to escape justice. He is asking for justice, the justice that comes from a trial where the complete truth can be told, not the carefully edited lie that went viral. He is asking for the means to protect his family since the government will not. And he is asking this court to send a message that in South Carolina, Prosecutions are based upon evidence and law, not viral videos and clickbait. Requesting an April jury trial when you are not in jail. In this judicial economy, where murder trials often take over five years, that is a classic good old boy move.

Starting point is 00:26:05 Absolutely, he is constitutionally entitled to a speedy trial, but so is everyone else, Brian. Brian, this guy was willing to change these teenagers' lives forever that day, based on his point of view, which he was so assured of until he had to put up or shut up. But now he wants everyone else to step aside because he is suffering the agony of the justice system and how his life might forever change. If those kids had not posted their videos, proving that they were targeted and harassed, then the public wouldn't have known what happened and the whole case would have likely been covered

Starting point is 00:26:47 up. Which, is that what you wanted, Brian? It does not matter if those videos got played once or 10 million times. It will never change what the videos show. And the evidence is the only thing that matters. So sorry, Bo, maybe get a better cartoon next time. We'll be right back. All right, let's move up the coast to Ory County, where the county police department is probably looking at the Squire's Gate incident, like, why come their chief didn't get the right people to the scene? Hey, well, hi. Look, I got the right people.

Starting point is 00:27:35 I got the people coming that need to come. I'll tell you something. The Weldon Boyd fixed investigation calls never get old. Except they do. Because hello, where is sled on this? How long is this investigation into former ORI County Deputy Chief Brandon Strickland and Officer Damon act like a victim Viscovy going to last? Until South Carolina Attorney General Alan Wilson's gubernatorial primary, y'all letting him call the shots already? Let's start with the ORI County Good News. Former County Director of Public Safety, and Emergency Management Director Randy Webster, who retired for

Starting point is 00:28:11 health reasons the day after a police officer he seemed to be fixated on, in our opinion, reported him to human resources for alleged sexual harassment, had the seemingly impossible happen to him in good old boy country. O'Re County Council voted Tuesday night to remove Randy Webster's name from the county's new emergency operations center. Here's David with what Myrtle Beach Sun News reporter, Alexa Lewis, wrote last week when a council committee voted to recommend the removal. Officials Tuesday voted to remove a former county leader's name from ORI County's

Starting point is 00:28:53 $24 million emergency operations center amid sexual harassment claims. In a decision that took mere seconds, the infrastructure and regulation committee voted in favor of a resolution that would remove Randall S. Webster's name from the county's emergency operations and communications center, following claims that Webster sexually harassed a county employee. The resolution will now move on for a vote by the full county council. If approved, it appears that this will be the first time the county has renamed a building over allegations against one of its own. By the way, those three paragraphs are a thing of beauty. It's nice to see a member of legacy media say it straight and not offer a big cushion for Randy Webster to land on, while readers are left wondering if this

Starting point is 00:29:46 name removal is justice or an injustice. Also, I want to note that the former Randy Webster EOC building was budgeted at $16 million when they broke ground on it in November 2020, but it somehow increased to $24 million by the time it opened less than two years. later. There was a lot of inflation over that time, but that still somehow seems like a lot, which let's take a second to talk about this project. Here's David with the description of it from the website of Whiting Turner, the contractor the county hired to build it. The Randall S. Webster Emergency Operations and Communications Center is a secure two-story building located in Conway, South Carolina, designed to withstand winds of 160 miles per hour

Starting point is 00:30:35 The building structure consists of tilt-up wall panels with level E impact-rated curtain walls and storefront glass. Additional features include 25 classrooms, 5 training rooms, data center, commercial kitchen, backup generator, ballistic walls in the lobby, helipad, 9-1-1 call center, 3, multipurpose training rooms, 34 consoles for emergency dispatchers. and concrete slab on deck roof to assist in natural disasters. The building is 43,000 square feet. And again, I am amazed at how quickly and decisively the county council has acted on stripping Randy Webster's name from it, especially because council members have been pretty much cowards about all of this. Hold on tight to that thought.

Starting point is 00:31:33 So, when I tell you the number of bridges, streets, and buildings that we have collectively been on that were named for creeps and continue to be named after creeps, I actually don't know what the number is, but it feels like a lot, it is a lot, it is too many. The good old boy machine rarely operates in reverse, especially when it comes to celebrating each other's mediocrity with name plaques on publicly paid for property. This actually has to be a record, though. On October 15th, ORI County Police Officer Kelsey Manimate reported Randy Webster to HR. On October 17th, Randy Webster wrote a statement to HR. Stick a pin in that, too. And on that same day, he sent an out-of-a-blue email to staff saying that he was retiring for

Starting point is 00:32:24 health reasons. On December 2nd, the county council committee voted to recommend the council vote to remove Randy Webster's name from the building, and then on Tuesday, the county council did just that. And, according to news reports, there was no public discussion before that vote. They just voted both times, which is shameful, actually, because there were two chances for members of a public committee to voice their reasonings for their votes. Because remember this? From just a few weeks ago, here is David reading some excerpts. from reporter Terry Richardson from the Myrtle Beach Sun News. A top ORI County Administrator's retirement is not connected to sexual harassment allegations by a former police officer, the county said late Friday. And while ORI County doesn't comment on pending litigation, quote, the county does want to clarify that Randy Webster's retirement and the resignation of the five county employees are not connected.

Starting point is 00:33:31 and quote, the email statement said. So forgive all of us, including y'all, for being way too smart to understand how these pieces fit together. But I think this is what we are hearing. The council denies that Randy Webster retired because of the sexual harassment accusations made against him by an ORI County police officer

Starting point is 00:33:55 and the county's PIO, but they have wasted no time in making moves toward removing his name from the building. So we are supposed to believe that he retired just because and definitely not in connection with the harassment accusations. So, you know, maybe they're just taking his name off the building just because? Y'all, they take us for fools.

Starting point is 00:34:19 And frankly, when compared to the history of good old boys not doing the right thing, it seems rather suspicious that counsel is voting for this so soon. It's almost like they want the underlying issue of Randy Webster and how the county handled the whole thing to disappear with the building's name. Or maybe, it's that they want to make themselves look good in this big old lawsuit from Kelsey Manamite and former ORI County Public Information Officer Michaela Moscov. Or maybe it's both. Late Tuesday evening, WBTW reporter Adriana Lawrence posted a photo on Facebook of holding her

Starting point is 00:34:57 Mike out toward council vice chairman, Dennis DeSavido, who stood in front of the camera. I highly recommend checking this photo out because Dennis is a guy who said this to WBTW in October, just four days after HR brought Randy Webster in to talk about the sexual harassment allegations being made against him. And in this photo, this coward had his hands in his pockets, and his shoulders are up at his ears. There is no better portrait of a publicly elected coward than that. Here is David with what that coward said to Adriana Lawrence. There maybe isn't anyone that has been as community-facing as Randy has been over the last several years. But you know, change is a lot of times good and we'll find someone who will be the next

Starting point is 00:35:52 Randy Webster, hopefully. And after, reporter Adriana Lawrence asked him whether Randy was leaving on good terms. Dennis, the coward, said this. To my knowledge, yeah, it was sort of a personal decision he made. Raise your hand if you think that the vice chairman of the ORI County Council wasn't swiftly told that the abrupt retirement announcement, which as we told you a few weeks ago, was filled with bizarre emo thoughts like, I was losing touch with who Randy is.

Starting point is 00:36:24 From a 35-year employee of the county who has his name on a $24 million building came after he was confronted with sexual harassment allegations against him. Yeah, no hands. Orie County's lack of leadership can be summarized right there. They don't think they have to be truthful or transparent with the public. And they instinctively cover for the good old boys among them. And that trickles down to the point that there's an entire police department that operates that same way.

Starting point is 00:36:52 So yeah, Ory County wants us all to believe that they didn't know anything about the sexual harassment allegations surrounding Randy Webster, which didn't just pop out of nowhere in October. County employees were noticing the behavior before that, which, according to texts from former public information officer Michaela Moscov, was registering as special treatment to three women,

Starting point is 00:37:13 one of whom was Kelsey Manamite. And it's frustrating to learn about that because of how real it all is. This is why we have such a problem with the way Ori County, the police department, and the council are dealing with this. Because when a man in a position of professional power over a woman decides to focus his attention on her for non-professional reasons, that woman not only has to navigate the tricky obstacle course

Starting point is 00:37:41 this man has now created for her to keep her job, an obstacle course he'll deny exists if she acknowledges it, she also has to contend with how this looks to her co-workers who will see this man's unusual attention as quote special treatment everyone can see it and somehow it's still the woman's fault from every angle it's incredibly unfair let's talk about those texts and what happened at the end of last week when ory county released investigatory statements from randy macaela and the three other police officers who were forced to resign in november in what the county made look like a salacious sex scandal, you know, without mentioning that two of the five people resigning had reported Randy Webster to HR shortly before his abrupt retirement announcement just two weeks earlier. A few weeks ago, we shared Kelsey Manamite's statement with you and told you how it was transcribed by one of the two male HR reps she had to sit with, how it was filled with typos and spelling mistakes, and how it felt very interpreted, even though it was a collection. of her statements. We don't know for sure, obviously, but it seemed like either the HR interview wasn't very well conducted, or Kelsey's statements were edited according to what the two HR reps felt needed to be on the record. Let's start with Randy's statement today, because

Starting point is 00:39:03 well, he's where it all began, right? Oh, sorry. I mean, the county says this has nothing to do with the strange forced resignations of Michaela Kelsey and the three other police officers and police chief Chris Leonhard and county council members pretended, nah, let's go with lied, lied about not being aware of the sexual harassment allegations against Randy. And they removed Randy's name from the Emergency Operations Center, not only faster than we've ever seen, but this might actually be the only instance of a name removal we've seen in good old boy country. Anyway, here's David with what the county put on paper about their interview of Randy Webster,

Starting point is 00:39:44 on October 17th, David is going to read it as it was written with mistakes and all. Yes, there have been boundaries that have been crossed, but I immediately stopped when I realized it was crossed. The employee is Kelsey Manamite. She let me know that I had made some comments that made her feel uneasy, and then when I knew immediately stopped. I didn't realize there was an issue like that until recently, until like a week or so ago. Hold on, pause. This man, the director of public safety, with a $24 million building named after him,

Starting point is 00:40:25 didn't know there was an issue with how he was behaving toward a police officer. He not only hired five months earlier, but created a whole new position for and seemingly a whole new department for her to be a part of. with her office close to his, and not in the police department. Until a week before his HR interview? So he thought it was okay to allegedly fake a meeting with Sled

Starting point is 00:40:55 so he could have a loan time with Kelsey in her car. He thought that texting her, a single mother of three, on off hours, sharing his personal inner monologue, that wasn't an issue? He thought being a married man meant these kinds of interaction weren't at all an issue, it floors me because it's so simple. And yet men, like Randy Webster, can't seem to manage it. They can't just let women do their jobs and let their off-time be their off-time. Stop inserting yourselves into their lives and weird ways that have nothing to do with a job at hand. Sorry, go ahead, David. She and I had been friends for a long time. She did tell me that I had made

Starting point is 00:41:40 comments that made her feel uneasy. Probably because this came up, I found out that something redacted recently, and I made the determination that I wanted people to know that I cared about them and that I loved them. It was pure and simple that I wanted them to know how I felt about them. That is the only thing I am aware of that made her feel uneasy. I have complimented her, and she has always said the same to me, but I think that is the one thing that could have made her feel uneasy. Okay, so wow. He has complimented her, and she has done the same? According to Kelsey's statement, it seemed like Randy was making it awkward by putting his employee on the spot to compliment him.

Starting point is 00:42:26 On July 15, 2025, for example, Kelsey said that Randy texted her with this. So simple, yes, should I feel that I am desirable, at least in your eyes? Phew, here goes, I am really wondering if I am not desirable. I mean, ew! Kelsey, a 30-year-old police officer, was being asked by her 61-year-old boss whether she thinks people find him sexually attractive. Here is David again with Randy's statement. Again, reading it with all the errors.

Starting point is 00:43:06 I knew Kelsey before she started working here. She was my neighbor. Like I said, I have made many comments along the way, so yes, it is very possible that I could have made comments about her being desirable. I don't know if she told you, but she is going through a divorce. So yes, I have made comments to make her feel good about the situation, etc. Y'all, Kelsey is a beautiful, tall, athletic-looking, confident-looking police officer who is a mom of three and who at the time of her forced resignation was in a relationship with one of the other three

Starting point is 00:43:45 officers forced to quit that day in early November. And not to be gross, he isn't hard to look at. So she didn't need Grandpa McWirdo's reassurance that she was hot enough to survive her divorce. Get real. Also, maybe I'm inserting my own. opinion on this here, but I wouldn't call this a comment to make her feel good about the situation. Here's what Kelsey wrote in her statement about Randy's comments. On October 6, Randy texted me and said, good morning. You were in my dream again. So I said, good morning. Where were we off to this time? He stated some rustic area swimming in creek, going to be a struggle to focus on work today. This was the third dream that he said about me. Then Randy said, by the way,

Starting point is 00:44:31 the struggle is real. And I said, Monday morning struggles, you mean? And he said, you know what I mean. And I said, oh, the dream. Better try to stay focused. It's a busy Monday. Outside of the office, he made a statement that I perceived that he indicated that I had very little clothes on in his dream. It made me feel like he was telling me that he sees me naked all day long. So that's what Kelsey said, but sure, Randy Webster was just making a feel-good comment. Here's David with more from Randy's statement. Yes, I kissed Kelsey's cheek in respect to her, in a friendship manner. It has happened several times where I kissed her.

Starting point is 00:45:13 Yes, I recall the meeting at El Serro, and yes, I did kiss her in the car, and I was very emotional about what she had accomplished, and yes, I did kiss her on the cheek. As a matter of fact, I asked her if I could kiss her cheek, and she has always said yes, go ahead. It wasn't like I forced her into doing something. It was a good meeting, and I was very excited for what she had done. If she felt intimidated by that, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:45:42 But on other work-related things, she has no issues telling me no. If she felt intimidated by that, I don't know. By her 61-year-old boss asking if he can kiss her on the cheek in an enclosed space? her being a single 30-year-old mother of three who only has this much-needed higher-paying new job because of her boss? You don't know if that's an intimidating thing to do to someone in that position with that power and age gap? And then he says on work-related things, she has no issues telling him no. Ugh, the victim blaming. How do these kinds of men not hear the themselves speak. More on O'Randy after a quick break, and we'll be right back.

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Starting point is 00:47:33 Ella McKay. Okay, David, let's hear more from Randy Webster. Nobody was ever present when I kissed her on the cheek, so it's obviously a he-said-she-said situation on that. I was not looking at it in that respect. She is a friend. I was not looking at it that way at the... that time. That's my context. I would never have felt comfortable any other way with that.

Starting point is 00:48:04 I would have never made a sexual advancement to her. That was never my intention. If you look at it in that light, yes, it looks bad, but we were friends. So I have told Kelsey, yes, I have seen her in my dreams and she has done the same. One of my dreams were like we were in the mountains and flying through the dreams. But I have dreamed about her and other people for years. We see a lot of different folks. I have never indicated to her that I have had dreams about her sexually or anything like that. I have never said anything about unclothing or nakedness or inappropriate activity at that point about seeing her in my dreams. I made some chicken bog for her and I knew she had to go in early so I wanted to drop it off early at her house.

Starting point is 00:49:00 I just asked to take her food one time since she has been an employee here. I have given her food in the past too, but that was before she worked here. If you take the friendship out of it, no, I shouldn't have communicated with her in an inappropriate manner. I have been very open about praising her and her abilities in front of counsel, the committee, front of everybody. I was just being friendly. I felt like if she did not want any type of interaction, then she would have said let's not do that. There was never any issue of don't touch me, don't approach me, never. I have told her that I am not looking to have an affair.

Starting point is 00:49:48 At the end of his signed statement, Randy acknowledges that he reviewed the statement before signing it. I wonder what he thought as he read those words, that he recruited his young neighbor who was going through a divorce for a position he created five months earlier. In the short span of time, he admitted to telling her that she was in his dreams, to cooking food for her and trying to stop by her house early before work, but he had sang her praises to counsel. How many 30-year-old police officers are having the director of public safety singing their praises to counsel and that he kissed her multiple times and that that whole thing was harmless just you know friendship stuff that she reciprocated the reason it's hard for some men and power to understand what sexual harassment looks like

Starting point is 00:50:45 what it sounds like and what it does to a woman just trying to do her job is because they don't Want to see it, hear it, or think about it. Which brings me back to the vice chairman of ORI County Council. Old cowardly lion, Dennis D. Sabato, with his hands in his pockets and his head sinking into his shoulders. What are you afraid of, Dennis? The county council chairman, Johnny Gardner, won't let you within range of him coughing up dust from the olden times? Speak up. And that goes for police chief Chris Lyonhart.

Starting point is 00:51:22 No one believes you when you say that these resignations weren't all connected to Kelsey and Michaela reporting Randy Webster. No one. And we can all see that you think that it is okay for women to be treated like this in the workplace. I kind of hope that that brings you some relief because you don't have to half-ass pretend like you care about women anymore and like you're a good guy. because you aren't.

Starting point is 00:51:52 We'll talk more about the other statements in this investigation in a future episode. There's a lot to unpack with them, and we have a few more things we have to talk about today. And unfortunately, one of them is South Carolina Attorney General Alan Wilson, who just landed on his blank, soulless face attempting to do a quadruple-axle-triple-lutz double-down in the Scots-Bivey case. again. He is so talented at making things worse for himself with the public while pleasing his weapons, industrial complex family, and their friends. I believe that's called being spineless and being out of touch. Okay, so this is about Alan's recent appearance on a podcast called The Political Pulse,

Starting point is 00:52:36 which is hosted by Alan's cousin, Joel, which is hilarious. They should have titled the episode Nana's Big Boys. Anyway, Congresswoman Nancy Mace has called the interview shameful, And do you know how right Nancy Mace has to be for us to not make a joke about her calling someone shameful? The purest strain of right. So in this interview, Alan, who only two months ago assigned a special prosecutor to re-look at this case, told his cousin that Weldon Boyd never chased Scott Spivey, which is propaganda from Ori County Police Department, sled agent Nathan Poston, and AG's office prosecutor Heather White. And this is important to the AG, because his office is the one that declined to press criminal charges against Weldon Boyd and Bradley Williams in April 2024, saying that they ethically couldn't, because this was a stand-your-ground case and a citizen's arrest case, which came out of nowhere, because neither Weldon nor Bradley had ever claimed they were doing a citizen's arrest.

Starting point is 00:53:39 The AG's office had to patch two laws together to make the good old-boying work. And one of those things, the stand-your-ground excuse, wasn't even their decision to make. It's a judge's decision. And that's only after the defendant offers up that stand-your-ground as their defense to the homicide charges. And the AG's office knows this. But how is it that only two months after finally assigning a special prosecutor to this case, that Alan Wilson is still saying stupid things that make him look as uninformed as we keep accusing him of being? Is it because Alan Wilson's assistant or campaign volunteer or whoever is tasked with listening to our shows

Starting point is 00:54:21 is too chicken to tell him the facts of this case and how the facts of this case don't support the things Alan is saying publicly? David, can you read what Alan said about Weldon not chasing Scott? One of the things I've heard the most is Mr. Boyd, who was driving a white truck, chased down Mr. Spivey over nine miles and shot him. There is zero evidence that supports that. Were they driving along the same highway? Yes. You know, people are out there saying he chased him down

Starting point is 00:54:55 and shot him in the back. These things are not true. Now here is what Weldon said to his mama just 48 hours after the shooting. Thank you. We're following him. Oh, he knew I was following him. Me and you talking? He knew he had fucked up at that point because all the other cars slammed on brakes

Starting point is 00:55:16 and was trying to get away from him. And I was like, he just ran me off the road and aimed a gun that rattles head. Fuck this guy. And I chased him. Oh, I was on his ass. And his truck couldn't outrun my truck. And he knew it. So, yeah, he was terrified.

Starting point is 00:55:33 Chased on his ass. He was terrified. Zero proof. Now, Alan wants his little listening. to believe, sorry, his little cousin's listeners, to believe that the things Weldon said in the four days following Scott's killing, which Alan referred to as days and weeks after the shooting, again, showing that he has no clue what he's actually talking about, were quote-unquote probably inappropriate statements. He couldn't even commit to calling them fully inappropriate.

Starting point is 00:56:07 Here is what Alan actually said. David? was run off the road. Guns were pointed at him. He called 911. The evidence supports the fact that he was following Mr. Spivey. Now, I understand he said things days and weeks later that were probably inappropriate, but the stand-your-ground analysis is for reasonable belief at the time that something is happening. Okay.

Starting point is 00:56:34 I need to take a breath. I don't want to yell, but it might happen. First of all, guns were pointed at Weldon? Um, no, sir. One gun, and there is no evidence of Scott pointing the gun at him. There is only evidence showing he had the gun in hand, and Blaze Ward's observation that Scott was after her, despite him driving in front of her and her keeping pace,

Starting point is 00:57:04 and her saying that he shot up her vehicle, which he didn't, there wasn't one mark on her car, But yeah, guns were pointed at Weldon. Curious, does anyone know Alan Wilson's LSAT scores? Because I swear we could give this case to a high school freshman and they could have a better grasp at the basic facts. Alan Wilson knows that for stand your ground to apply as a defense, again, which is a decision that belongs to a judge,

Starting point is 00:57:35 Weldon can't have fault in bringing on the difficulty. and he cannot violate the law. For instance, he cannot speed or breach the peace. So this issue of did Weldon chase Scott is critical because it represents Weldon bringing on the difficulty, meaning could it be true that Weldon and Bradley shot Scott because they feared for their lives? No, they put themselves in that situation.

Starting point is 00:58:04 Weldon is admitting to chasing Scott the times and speeds of their vehicles show that there was speeding involved. There's a witness to the excessive speeding with Weldon on Scott's tail. There's video camera footage and photos with timestamps and locations showing Scott trying to get away from Weldon. Weldon told 911 that he wasn't going to keep following Scott and then he immediately lied to Deputy Chief Brandon Strickland and others about why he turned onto Camp Swamp Road.

Starting point is 00:58:34 Suddenly, it wasn't that he chased Scott there or followed him. It was that he needed to pull over to fix his couch cushions. He changed his story, Alan. Then there's the little matter of the fact that no one knows why Scott and Weldon were beefing. We do not know what happened prior to Blaze Ward calling police to report Scott pointing the gun and driving erratically. We don't know what happened before witnesses four and five who, never reported Scott's erratic driving, saw Scott, quote unquote, run Weldon off the road, which is maybe more accurately stated as Weldon got break checked by Scott and was so close to

Starting point is 00:59:19 his tail that he had to drive into the median rather than crash into him. This point of whether Weldon was chasing Scott is so, so critical. And yet, this blank-faced South Carolina attorney general who thinks that he is just owed the governor's office doesn't seem to know that there's evidence beyond Weldon's probably inappropriate statements that support the fact that he did chase Scott. He admitted it to his mother. He signed that recorded call over to the police and that evidence supports this chase, including Scott getting out of his truck upon seeing Weldon continuing the chase and telling Weldon to stop following him, which is according to witness number two's statements. Now, how does a man running for governor feel so

Starting point is 01:00:09 confident enough to say these things and not have them fact-checked? Oh, right, it's his cousin's show, and Daddy is a congressman, and his family has a financial interest in weapon sales in South Carolina. Ooh, got it. Now, you think that that would be enough, that Alan outdid himself with that one. But no, he is super talented at being super dumb. More on that in a minute. We'll be right back. David, what else did Alan Wilson say? What I can tell you is, at that roadside,

Starting point is 01:00:51 had Mr. Spivey not been shot, or had he been shot and survived, he would have been the one that was charged with the felony, for driving under the influence and also brandishing a firearm. And what else? That is the fact that unfortunately he was killed, and we don't know what would have happened had he not been killed. I mean, the two passengers in a white truck behind him shot through the windshield. They didn't have time to aim or get out.

Starting point is 01:01:23 It happened so fast. You know those prosecutors always making a shot. excuses for potential defendants. He's not even victim blaming here, guys. He is victim scolding. He's talking as if it's a good thing that Scott was killed, which, what? Well, if he wasn't shot to death, he would have faced felony charges. That is the point, Alan. That is the point. Weldon Boyd doesn't get to decide who lives and dies for their alleged violations of the law. If Scott hadn't been shot, could he have been charged? Sure, maybe, but we don't know. And the reason we don't know is because we do not know what started this battle and we do not know if scott's blood

Starting point is 01:02:03 alcohol content was actually above the legal living at that time according to his toxicology report it was point one three at the time his blood was drawn much much later because let's not forget ory county police department towed scott's body in his truck to their impound lot 45 minutes away where he continued to sit in the south carolina summer heat for hours as they undressed him on the ground and took pictures of him there. We're not experts, but we're told alcohol can ferment in blood in those conditions, artificially raising a person's BAC. Regardless, what is Alan's point? Why was he saying these things? Because here's how we interpret his decision to go on his cousin's podcast and say these things. He's the number one law enforcement officer in South Carolina and technically special prosecutor

Starting point is 01:02:51 Barry Barnett's superior. The AG is in charge of the publicly elected solicitors when he wants to be. If any one of you were to call Alan and ask about the Scott Spivey case, he would say, I can't comment on an ongoing investigation. And that's pretty much the VG's policy on that, right? Says it all the time, even in this case. But for his cousin, sure. And that's no small thing. By breaking his own policy and not only commenting on this case publicly, which is an act of ongoing investigation, but by adding to the discussion.

Starting point is 01:03:22 He's not just correcting the record, which he's allowed to do. He's creating a new line of conversation here. He's signaling where he stands on the issue, right? We all know he thinks his office made the right decision, despite the dozens of points we and others, including Scott's sister Jennifer Spivey Foley, have made, showing that they didn't look at the evidence. Alan still thinks Weldon isn't criminally liable here

Starting point is 01:03:45 because it seems like he doesn't want him to be. And that sure is a signal to send to Barry Barnett, the special prosecutor, and especially to Orey County Police Department, which engaged in some of the most egregious misconduct we've seen in an investigation. But Alan has your back, boys, and Barry, it's all on you if you decide there's enough evidence to press charges against Walden and Bradley. But no, no. Alan was sure to mention to his cousin that Barry is free to make his own decision on this case

Starting point is 01:04:12 if there were blind spots in the AG's investigation. Yeah, right. If someone is listening who knows and respects Barry Barnett, let him know that all of us have his back, Assuming he's who people says he is, and not just another weakling sycophant afraid of upsetting the good old boys. Before we go, we wanted to remind y'all that we are still awaiting the results of an FBI investigation, targeting Myrtle Beach's most infamous churchy business bro, J.P. Miller. This man is still out there calling the police more than most of us ordered takeout, and he is still up to his not-so-funny business. Let's talk about two

Starting point is 01:04:53 weeks ago when we got a tip that police had surrounded J.P.'s house and we heard that an arrest was imminent. We were told that it was related to the FBI investigation from a reliable source, so we're not sure how it went from supposedly being that to a literal dust-up over signs. Again, with the signs. The latest sign capers involving alleged pastor's J.P. Miller with his daddy, Wayne Miller, have taken another weird turn, and it has led to another arrest. But it wasn't J.P., booked into the detention center. It was his father. On November 26th, the day before Thanksgiving, Ory County police officers were seen at J.P. Miller's Coldwater Circle home and at his churchy business in a nearby strip mall.

Starting point is 01:05:44 After a long time, Justice Vermeca protester reported that J.P. Miller stole some of the some of her quote-unquote decorative signs in the grass at El Buen Sabour, a restaurant on the same frontage road as Mercy Church. The alleged theft was caught on El Buen Sabour's surveillance cameras around 3.15 p.m. on November 25th. On November 26, Ory County Police Officer Corey Arnold wrote in his report that he went to J.P.'s Coldwater Circle home, but could only reach J.P. by phone. Officer Arnold told J.P. that he had seen video surveillance of what appeared to be him taking signs from the restaurant.

Starting point is 01:06:27 J.P. allegedly told the officer that, quote, the items were just trash and that he believed that they could be removed. He also said, quote, his people had permission by the owner of the restaurant to remove the signs, but he would make some calls and have the signs returned. According to the report, the restaurant owner denied giving anybody permission to remove the signs, but said that they had given permission for them to be placed there. At that time, another man showed up with the sign. That person is referred to as S2 in the report, but sources who were present at the scene on November 26 told us that it was JP's father, Wayne Miller, who brought the signs back.

Starting point is 01:07:10 And it was Wayne who was booked into jail on December 6th, and charged with receiving stolen goods under $2,000. He was released on a $5,000 personal reconnaissance bond on the same day. According to the Public Index, it appears that he has been fined $2,125. So, to end this episode, while we wait for something from the FBI's year-long investigation to actually happen, here is J.P. Miller, the pastor who is accused of emotionally, medically, spiritually, and financially abusing his wife until her 2024 death. Here he is, yet again, calling the cops whining about how he is being threatened.

Starting point is 01:07:56 Highway 17 bypassed, threatened by a woman who follows me around, like stalker. And I got it on video, and she even put a sign in front of my business telling me that I'm next. And I need an officer to come so I can file a report. Okay, give me just a moment. Okay, and what unit are you located at? Like, what building, like what business is this? A Mercy Church. Okay.

Starting point is 01:08:25 And you said that was... Yes. Highway 17? Yep. I'll be outside. Okay. And you said your first and last name? Okay, tell me exactly what happened?

Starting point is 01:08:35 So there's this woman that she follows me around town screaming at me. And just yesterday, she made a video online. using my name and she's going to come and get me I'm a mother effer and all this kind of stuff and she made a video of herself in front of my church putting a sign

Starting point is 01:08:56 in front of my church and she wrote on the sign you're next referring to me she says my name in the video okay and you're next it's pretty threatening aw pretty threatening how is this man

Starting point is 01:09:13 someone that people actually turn to for solace in their own lives. We will never understand that. Stay tuned, stay pesky, and stay in the sunlight. by journalist Liz Farrell. Research support provided by Beth Braden. Audio production support provided by Jamie Hoffman and Grace Hills. Case file management provided by Kate Thomas. Learn more about our mission and membership at LunaSharkMedia.com.

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