Murdaugh Murders Podcast - TSP #135 - State Grand Jury Impaneled in Scott Spivey Case And Can SC Trust AG Alan Wilson Not to Interfere?

Episode Date: February 5, 2026

Investigative Journalists Mandy Matney and Liz Farrell provide context around the announcement that Prosecutor Barry Barnette impaneled a state grand jury surrounding events of Scott Spivey’s 2023 killing... and alleged police coverup. On today’s episode Mandy and Liz explore Alan Wilson’s motivations in deciding to not initially prosecute Spivey’s killers and whether he can be trusted not to interfere with Barnette’s decisions.  Also on the show, former South Carolina legislator and current pedophile RJ May is appealing his 17-year sentence for distributing child sexual abuse material. May — who pleaded guilty as part of a plea agreement — is claiming ineffective assistance of counsel… another good ole boy who refuses to face consequences and has no problem spending taxpayer money doing so. Lot’s to cover… Let’s Dive in… 🥽   Episode Links All the LUNASHARK Upcoming Events 📅 including the Stand Your Ground Hearing starting Feb 17, 2026 “Lexington County man charged with failing to file and pay taxes” - SC Dept of Revenue 📰 “SC solicitor impanels grand jury in Scott Spivey shooting death. What we know” - Myrtle Beach Sun News, Feb 3, 2026 📰 The Political Pulse Podcast with AG Alan Wilson - Dec 5, 2025 🎧 SC Supreme Court Opinion in Pascoe v Wilson - July 13, 2016 ⚖️ “Prosecutor Pascoe protests Quinn sentence, says judge told him to ‘go light’” - The State, Feb 16, 2018 📰 Referenced Episodes: TSP 108, 109, 115, 132, & 133 + COJ 152 🎧 Stay Tuned, Stay Pesky and Stay in the Sunlight...☀️ Learn more about LUNASHARK Premium Membership at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lunashark.supercast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to get bonus episodes like our Premium Dives, Wherever It Leads..., Girl Talk, and Soundbites that help you Stay Pesky and Stay in the Sunlight ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Support Our Show, Sponsors and Mission: https://lunasharkmedia.com/support/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Quince⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Hungry Root⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Bombas⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4cJ0eVn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ *** ALERT: If you ever notice audio errors in the pod, email ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and we'll send fun merch to the first listener that finds something that needs to be adjusted! *** For current & accurate updates: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lunashark.supercast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram.com/mandy_matney⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠   |   ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram.com/elizfarrell⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠   ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠bsky.app/profile/mandy-matney.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠bsky.app/profile/elizfarrell.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TrueSunlight.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠facebook.com/TrueSunlightPodcast/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram.com/TrueSunlightPod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠youtube.com/@LunaSharkMedia⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠tiktok.com/@lunasharkmedia Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Segregated funds are administered by Cooperators' life insurance company. Life insurance is underwritten by cooperators' life insurance company. I don't know what will happen next in the Scott Spivey case now that a state grand jury has been impaneled by a prosecutor. While we believe that this is a big deal and a giant step toward justice for Scott, we are cautiously suspicious because of Alan Wilson. And we will tell you why. My name is Mandy Matney. This is True Sunlight, a podcast exposing crime and corruption, previously known as the Murdoch Murdoch Murders podcast. True Sunlight is a Luna Shark production written with journalist Liz Farrell.

Okay, so first of all, I want to start off the show by saying, happy birthday to Queen Liz Farrell, the peskiest and most brilliant woman I know. In our 10 years of friendship, we have dismantled systems, exposed powerful predators, and royally pissed off a lot of really terrible people. So many evil-doers have foolishly tried to tear us apart. in the last few years, but they only made us stronger. I don't want to know where I would be in life if I didn't meet Liz 10 years ago, but I know that she helped me find my power, my strength, and my voice. The world is so much spicier and juicier and smarter and better because Liz Farrell is

in it. Happy birthday, Liz. Liz has been the driving investigative force behind our team's work in the Scott Spivey case. And it is so fitting that the biggest development so far in this case, the confirmation of a state grand jury being impaneled happened during her birthday week. We will talk about that in a minute. But first, we need to talk about a certain good old boy with endless audacity and the inability to accept accountability, RJ May. R.J. May's political business has made over a million $1, essentially, terrorizing state elections, manipulating voters, and getting lunatics like himself voted into the legislator. All the while, this man was getting rich from burning our state to the ground while not paying taxes. He admittedly was distributing child sex abuse material.

And specifically, we have to say this, because language matters, he was distributing videos of babies, toddlers, and children getting raped and sexually abused by adults. We told you about the videos in detail in episode 132 because it matters for understanding the depravity of these crimes. And far too often, mainstream media skips the horrific details and offensively summarize the material as child pornography, which just gives predators a pass. In January, R.J. May was sentenced to 17.5 years in federal prison after he pleaded guilty to five felony counts of distributing child sex abuse material in September. Now, RJ May was originally charged with 10 felony counts when he was finally arrested by the Feds in June 2025. As, and I have to say this, he was a sitting state representative, who, our worthless legislature, allowed him to keep his job until he resigned in August.

Ugh, y'all, it makes me so mad. Okay, so RJ May should be gleeful and grateful for his sentence. The 210-month sentence he received was on the light end of the guidelines. Specifically, he could have received 20 years for each of his five charges. But RJ is a South Carolina good old boy through and through, and he proved that yet again on January 30th when he filed his motion to appeal his sentence based on ineffective counsel. You might be saying, wait a minute, didn't he sign a plea agreement?

doesn't that mean that he agreed to a plea that he can't appeal? While RJ's plea agreement specifically states that he waived his right to any direct appeal, except the ones that claim ineffective assistance of counsel, prosecutorial misconduct, or future changes in the law, because, of course it says that. Good old boys love to benefit from the workarounds that they inserted into our system. But this appeal is even more offensive when you look at RR. RJ's defense attorney history and consider how this pedophile politician continues to use the system built for and by men like him to dodge accountability. When RJ May's house was raided by Homeland

Security investigations on August 5th, 24, a moment that should have immediately ended this man's political career if it wasn't for the Dufuses in the Freedom Caucus standing by aside in the pathetic political leaders in our state like Alan Wilson. who should have used their sway in the party to force him to resign then? Well, back then, RJ May hired two attorneys. Those two attorneys he hired in August 2024 were Dane Phillips and Mark McKaysey. An attorney who is a protege of Rudy Giuliani. He represented Donald Trump, Eric Trump, and the Trump Organization. Mukasey also represented former Congressman Matt Gates during the investigation of his sex crimes case.

Anyway, back then, it appeared that R.J. May had money for attorneys, or someone within the Republican Party had connections and money to pay for attorneys at the time. After he was originally arrested in June 2025, Dean Phillips argued on R.J.'s behalf during his bond hearing that R.J. shouldn't be ordered to stay in jail until trial because, well, to do what R.J. was accused of doing, he would have to have multitasking skills. And he claimed that RJ, a state legislator, wasn't capable of talking on his phone while also scrolling. To be fair, Dane Phillips didn't have a lot

to work with there, because prosecutors had thoroughly documented RJ's disgusting behavior under the username Joe Biden 69 on the kick app using his home Wi-Fi on his own devices. Anyway, after that hearing, R.J. May decided to claim poverty, another classic good old boy move, and he opted for a public defender. The court, likely predicting that R.J. May would do anything in his good old boy power to blame the system in order to dodge accountability for his disgusting crimes, hired two public defenders. Yes, y'all, after R.J. May made a lot of money purely from South Carolina State Public. he forced taxpayers to pay not for one but two attorneys for himself. Which like, does everyone in the federal system get two public defenders? Or just the good old boys with connections?

Huh. It turns out, it looks like it's just the good old boys with connections. We know this because in episode 115, we revealed R.J. May's text messages between him and his buddy, who is a current state representative, Ryan McCabe, you know the one on the Judiciary Committee who wrote that disgusting letter to Judge Curry to go easy on his boy, RJ. Well, in those texts, Ryan McCabe said he spoke directly to public defender chief Bill Nettle on RJ's behalf, which is gross. So gross. The strings, these men will pull for pedophiles while they refused to budge an inch to help actual abuse children in our state.

Well, then RJ fired those attorneys to represent himself an emotion to suppress hearing, which is real rich. Also, Representative Ryan McCabe, a sitting lawmaker, again, helped arrange a discussion with a female defense attorney. You know, because it's normal for lawmakers who sit on the Judiciary Committee to go out of their way to help a pedophile friend get a good attorney. To which RJ was like, nah, she is not worth the 100K. He said he would pay 30K at most.

For an attorney whose performance in this case would determine whether or not he would spend decades of his life in prison. In those texts, RJ was supremely arrogant about his choice to go with a public defender. And again, he viewed it as a choice. and not a last resort as it is supposed to be. And not to knock public defenders who are truly doing honorable work for the system, it is just supposed to be for people who literally cannot afford attorneys. Not for arrogant pedo politicians who want to save their money.

So after all of that drama, in the series of unwise decisions, RJ May made to not take his case seriously, this man is still wasting taxpayer time and money by filing this appeal based on ineffective counsel. It is truly disgusting and unbelievable. And speaking of RJ May's series of offensive decisions to disrespect South Carolina taxpayers and abuse our system, I need to make a correction and clarification from a previous show. During November, when we had all sorts of personal and professional chaos happening,

I did not realize that RJ May was actually charged by the SE Department of Revenue with three counts of failure to pay his income taxes between 2022 and 2025. In a previous episode, I expressed outrage about the $100,000 in tax money that our legislature paid for Mark Moore, aka J. Edgar Picklejuice, to quote unquote investigate RJ May and essentially all he found was that he didn't pay his money. taxes. RJMA faces up to one year in prison for each charge, which frankly is not enough. So a total of three years in state prison. Likely, what will happen, unfortunately because this is South Carolina, is that he will plead to those charges and the judge will allow him to serve his sentence concurrently with the federal sentence. However, if the judge assigned to this case wants to deliver a fair sentence that properly punishes R.J. May for the damage that he has done to South

Carolina, they could and should add an additional three years in state prison on top of a 17-year federal sentence, especially considering the fact that his tax evasion crimes were completely separate from his child sex abuse material crimes. Okay, now let's talk about better news, actually great news. really, really great news. On Tuesday, the Myrtle Beach Sun News reported that Seventh Circuit solicitor Barry Barnett has impaneled a state grand jury to review evidence in the Scotsby investigation. And by state grand jury, we mean a grand jury under Alan Wilson's purview, which we have to keep in mind. This is the first meaningful movement toward potential charges

getting filed against North Myrtle Beach business owner Weldon Boyd and his buddy Bradley Williams, who shot and killed 33-year-old Scott Spivey on September 9th, 2023, on a back road in Long's South Carolina. So let's get this straight. That is a big deal. In October 2025, after a ton of relentless pressure from the public, including our listeners, State Attorney General Alan Wilson, the spivey case to Barnett, which seemed hopeful, but let's be ultra real right now, okay? Alan Wilson does not think that his office, aka him, made any mistakes in the Scott Spivey case. He has said this over and over and sometimes to an offensive degree. Given Allen's history of egocentrism in overestimating his own skills and his tendency for political squirming and behind-the-scenes,

whining, it is really hard for us to know for sure where his head is at with the spivey case as we move forward. But we think we have a good handle on the potential plays here. Definitely let us know if you think our analysis today is right or wrong and if you have insight into how Alan's mind works if you want to share. Our main question, now that a grand jury is being impaneled by Barnett, is this, is Alan Wilson, you know, Alan Wilson, actually open to being told by a solicitor that his office made the wrong decision. And is he capable of being told that while he is running for governor in fighting for every Republican vote in the state? Because that does not seem like him to us. And yet, that's what he tells us is happening.

So let's look at what's actually happening here. First, like Mandy said, we might see indictments for members of ORI County Police Department who appear to have conducted the investigation in a way that would bolster Weldonson Bradley's claims of self-defense. There claims that despite aggressively chasing Scott for miles and following Scott off the highway for no reason, other than to be big, tough guys, that they needed to kill Scott to protect their own lives. Second, like Mandy also said, we might see indicted.

for Weldon and Bradley as well. And this might be a chicken and egg scenario, loosely anyway. In our eyes, if Weldon and Bradley are charged in Scott's death, then that means there also needs to be charges against some law enforcement officers because it's their investigation that Allen and his office relied on to come to their decisions. And if only the police are indicted, even though that doesn't directly mean that Weldon and Bradley did something wrong. Hmm, come on now.

Why would high-ranking officers put their careers at risk to cover up a crime that didn't happen? There would have to be a something there. Anyway, in less than two weeks, there will be a multi-day hearing in Ory County so that Judge Eugene Bubba Griffith can decide whether Weldon and Bradley qualify for stand-your-ground immunity in the wrongful death case brought against them by Scott's sister, Jennifer Spivey Foley. And that's the civil case, which is a whole separate thing from the criminal case, but also the original gangster of this whole thing. It's where it all started.

Without the civil case, we would not be talking about grand juries getting impaneled, right before the stand-your-ground hearing, which is interesting. In April 2024, Alan Wilson and his senior prosecutor, Heather Weiss, made the decision not to prosecute Weldon and Bradley, saying they couldn't ethically charge them in Scott's homicide because Weldon and Bradley would have standard-ground immunity under the law, and that prevents them from being prosecuted. They were basically betting that the charges would get dismissed by a judge,

which is so crazy when you consider the public outrage that this case has brought each time more evidence has been revealed about what actually happened. And again, in our opinions, this wasn't Allen's and Heather's jobs. The decision on whether stand-your-ground immunity applies belongs solely to the judge. So last week, we told you about the case of Anisha Yarnel, who shot a man in self-defense in Ory County in 2020. Yarnel was not only arrested that very night. He was charged with murder, despite the facts of the facts of the case. the case and his claims of self-protection. In 2023, a South Carolina judge dismissed the charges against Yarnel because, after applying the required scrutiny to the case in a standard ground immunity hearing, the judge determined that Yarnel's testimony was trustworthy. The evidence supported it,

and therefore Yarnel's actions were within the parameters of the law. You heard the order of that. Yarnel was arrested. He was charged because the facts of the case showed that he shot and killed another man. Yarnel then moved for the court to consider stand your ground immunity in this case. A hearing was held. The judge made his determination in Yarnall's favor and Alan Wilson and Jimmy Richardson are now appealing that ruling. And it appears that the case is being held up in appellate court, in our opinions, because of the Spivey case and Allen's dumb decision not to charge Weldon and Bradley in 2024. I mean, y'all, we are caught in Allen's saving face era right now. And there are too many victims. According to news reports, Yarnel's case is being appealed by the prosecution because they

don't agree that Yarnel was legitimately afraid for his life, despite the aggressor in this situation, Michael Pennington, trying to open Yarnel's car door while Yarnel was in it and punching Yarnel through Yarnel's open window. Pennington was unarmed, the prosecution says. Shooting him is not standing your ground, they say. But funny thing, the law covers that, right? We told you about how Yarnel only had to reasonably believe his life was in peril. He didn't have to be right about it. Also, food for thought, Yarnel is black and Pennington was white.

So, again, instead of allowing Weldon's and Bradley's cases to matriculate through the criminal justice system and allow a judge to decide whether stand-your-ground immunity applied, Heather Weiss and Allen, perhaps to curry favor with the police and their much-needed votes and money in his primary race, decided to skip some steps, such as looking at all the evidence and not just the reports, that a historically corrupt police agency gave them.

We dug deep into Heather and Allen's perplexing explanation for why they didn't charge Weldon and Bradley in episodes 108 and 109. What we found was that Heather appeared to work backward as a prosecutor in this case, focusing heavily on finding reasons Weldon and Bradley could defend their charges and not focusing on probable cause for charging that.

This was strange and deeply concerning, and again, not how the system is supposed to work. And then they decided to dig in, deep on their terrible decision, which was unsurprising while also being shocking, because in August, when Alan announced that he was tripling down on his decision not to prosecute, there were so many glaring, glaring reasons to pull back the case and start over. All Alan needed to do is say, well, oops, we looked at the evidence that was given to us by self-interested parties, and now that we know this was only part of the story, we strongly suggest sled, start from

scratch and give us a more thorough report to consider. Weirdly, despite Allen's tripling down, this is kind of how things have shaked out. Ellen did appoint Barry Barnett as, well, special prosecutor to take a deeper look at the case. I mean, I say special prosecutor because by definition that is what Barry Barnett seems to be. He's an independent prosecutor tasked by the state attorney general with handling a complex case involving another jurisdiction that involves conflicts of interest and potential corruption, who Alan has publicly, anyway, granted what seems like wide prosecutorial decision-making authority in the case. And Barnett has been paneled a grand jury. Huh. That sure does sound special to us. Stick a pin in that, though, and we will talk more about

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All of South Carolina's legacy media, whom Alan has relationships with, have been faithfully describing Barnett as, quote, independently reviewing this case. On Wednesday, Luna Shark media journalist Beth Braden reached out to Attorney General's office spokesman, Robert Kittle, to find out the difference. between a special prosecutor and the work Barry Barnett is doing. Here's how Kiddell responded. Quote, Solicitor Barnett is not a special prosecutor. He is the designee of the Attorney General assigned with the authority to handle the investigation into the ORI County Police Department's handling of the spivey case,

which is basically like you asking me the difference between a sandwich and a sub and me saying a sandwich is not a sub. classic government boomeranging. Let me answer your question with information you clearly already know because you're asking about it. Anyway, what to make of that statement? Good question. To us, it seems to be splitting hairs and in confusing opposition to some of the things Alan has said on the record about the scope of Barnett's assignment and what that includes.

We'll get to that in a second. Another interesting thing, though, is the Sun News also emphasized that Barnett's assignment was to review Sledge's investigation of Ory County Police Department, which is true. Yes, but a bit confusing because our understanding is that Barnett has also been actively reviewing whether Weldon and or Bradley should be charged. I say and or because Bradley was just along for the ride and in our opinions put in a self-defense situation because of Weldon's actions. But also, the hand of one is the hand of all, so Bradley may be on the hook for all of Weldon's decisions that.

night. That said, the way Alan has referred to the scope of Barnett's investigation is very labyrinthane. He doesn't have Barnett directly investigating whether Weldon and Bradley should be charged. According to him, it's not Barnett's prime focus. Two months after appointing Barnett to look at the Spivey case, Alan went on his cousin, Joel Wilson's podcast, Political Pulse, and said the following about the scope of Barry Barnett's review and Barnett's role as prosecutor. already made a decision on Stanger Ground. Right. So we thought out of an abundance of caution, we should send this case to another solicitor

in another section of the state. And so what I did was I sent a letter to the Seventh Circuit solicitor, Mary Barnett. I said, we made a decision on the Stanger Ground case, and that decision was our final decision. However, there's an investigation in Doree County Police Department. We would like for you to review that investigation, make whatever prosecuted decisions you think are appropriate under the law, the facts, and the standards that are giving. given to you. You can use whatever resources we have. If during your investigation on Sleds case,

you were to identify new evidence or information that would change the analysis on the stand your ground, the shooting on the roadside, you are free to make a different call than us. If we have blind spots that we didn't know we had at the time and you see those, my intention as the Attorney General is to get to the truth applying the facts. So the reason I don't want to go to too deep of an explanation is because we have that secondary investigation going on on the original investigation. And I also want the people who are listening to know that I don't have any personal biases for or against one way or the other. If there is new information or evidence that would change the analysis, that prosecutor is free to make an independent decision. I'm not

telling him what to do. Okay. So we did not, by the way, we did not recuse ourselves. We are not conflicted. We did not send it to him. We did not send the stand your ground case to that other solicitor on the other side of the state. We sent the investigation of ory County PD to him. And then if he wants to evaluate the stand your ground with all that totality of information that we didn't have a year and a half ago, he's free to do so. So I think most reasonable people would think that would be a good thing. Obviously, Alan is going for the I am a very wise man vibe here. I'm King Solomon, right? But in this same interview, he spoke about the merits of the Spivey case and left the audience with these thoughts. What I can tell you is, at that roadside,

had Mr. Spivey not been shot, or had he been shot and survived, he would have been the one charged with the felony, okay, for driving under the influence and also brandishing firearm. And this. You know, Mr. Spivey was the initial aggressor who attempted to run off Mr. Boy, I believe other people out there. I'm trying to run him off the road, brand us a firearm, pointed a firearm. We have, I think, nine, ten minutes of Mr. Boyd calling 911. We have other 911 calls of people who are strangers.

None of these people know who Boyd and Spy the Army. They're all describing the same thing. It is so wild to us that he made these comments after appointing a special prosecutor that he now apparently denies as a special prosecutor for some reason. It is wild. He made the comments. all while the case is very much active and ongoing. His go-to response is always that he can't

respond to our questions because they're related to open cases. But I guess if you're his cousin, then it's fine. That seems to fit the good old boy credo. Ridiculous. Anyway, on one hand, Alan Wilson is saying that Barnett has a wide open space to conduct this independent review of the Spivey case, while making sure that the public knows that there's no wiggle room here, as far as he's concerned. The issue is black and white to Alan, even though he is grossly misstating the evidence. Like we've said over and over, the question of whether Scott was the initial aggressor is unknowable. And there were only two people who called 911 about what was happening with Scott on Highway 9, Weldon and witness number one, Blaze Ward. And both of those

calls were only made after Weldon had entered Scott's face. There are no calls reporting Scott as driving erratically or dangerously or him pointing a weapon at drivers until Weldon and he crossed paths. But let's talk about the big clue in what Alan said to his cousin, this part. We did not, by the way, we did not recuse ourselves. We are not conflicted. We did not send it to We did not send the stand-your-ground case to that other solicitor on the other side of the state. We did not recuse ourselves. We are not conflicted. We'll tell you why those words are important, but first, let's pause.

This is so not funny, but let's think about it anyway. This case was in the hands of Ory County Police Department and 15th Circuit Solicitor Jimmy Richardson, right? Let's call that investigation number one. Then, because of Weldon's bright idea to publicly bank the police and Jimmy on Facebook, Jimmy asked Alan Wilson's office to review the case out of an abundance of caution. With that, SLED got assigned to the case and seemed to be conducting a parallel investigation alongside ORI County Detective Alan Jones, even sitting in on witness interviews together. So let's call that investigation number two.

Then Alan gets the case to review it. That's investigation number three. And then Jennifer Spivey Foley gets the case file from Ory County in February of last year and immediately sees glaring signs of cover-ups and corruption. Her attorney Mark Tinsley brings that to the attention of SLED, the AG's office, and Ori County. Ory County pushes Deputy Chief Brandon Strickland to resign shortly after, and announces that they have asked SLED and the FBI to look into the case. So that's investigations number four and ostensibly number five.

We still don't know the extent at which, if any, the FBI is looking into the spivey case. In addition, ORI County Police Chief Chris Leonhardt says that they too are investigating the investigation in-house. So that's investigation number six. But also, at this time, Alan Wilson consults with attorneys with a collective 150 years of experience, which is something he told his cousin on the podcast, and does another review of the evidence, supposedly. So that's investigation number seven, which makes Barry Barnett's independent review, investigation number. Eight. Which, God dang, how many investigations does it take to make a good old boy face accountability after he screws up royally? Eight investigations that we know of anyway. Let's think of this medically. Actually, let's shondaland it.

Let's pretend this is an episode of Grey's Anatomy, like old school, when Christina Yang and George were on it. Let's say the episode opens with a woman, walking into the ER of Seattle Grace Hospital, complaining of a bat bite. I know fun. The bat is still attached to her neck. Very clearly she is suffering from a bat bite. Seems very clear that she needs to be helped and treated, right? That some sort of progressive, forward-moving action

toward a healthy solution needs to happen, yeah? Plus, some sort of containment, so no one else gets hurt, right? But wait, this isn't Seattle-Gray's Hospital. We're actually caught in Meredith Gray's nightmare. She's an intern at South Carolina Grace Hospital because in her nightmare, her mother moved them to Columbia because she liked being around all those narcissists. Anyway, here at South Carolina Grace Hospital,

the bat with a woman in its teeth, is gently ushered to a back room with, wait, that's not Patrick Dempsey or Eric Dane. Ah, their name tags. It's McDumpy and McStumpy. And they're telling the bat he's going to be okay that he should just rest here in the back room while they find a way to bring his lawyer back to him.

Meredith tosses and turns in her sleep at her, her nightmare gets worse. Before they can treat the woman, McDumpy and McStumpy say they have to first determine that she is indeed suffering from a bat bite. I don't know, McDumpy says, as McStumpy writes, act like she's biting you

on a prescription pad that he then flashes to. the bat. Seems pretty cut and dry that he's not biting her. Meredith, the nightmare version of Meredith, is like, what? But you can see, it's right there. She immediately senses some good old boy stuff as going on and goes sprinting down the hall to find another doctor. But that doctor doesn't even go into the room. He's like, huh, McDump and McStump say she wasn't bitten, so that's my final word on it. Nightmare Meredith is like, what is going on? So she goes to McDumpy and McStump, and is like, there's clearly a bat attached by its teeth to this woman's neck, and it is our job to fix this. They're super annoyed at her, but they're also like, whatever. We'll send one of our

other guys in and he'll take a look. Will that satisfy you, Meredith? But then that guy walks in the room and immediately walks back out and says, yeah, I need to investigate the case. He then walks away and is never to be heard from again. Nightmare, Meredith, confused and frustrated. Then gets the head of the hospital to come in and look at the woman. But the head of the hospital, head of the hospital closes the door behind him and just stays in there. So he doesn't have to say the bat has bitten the woman. And on it goes. But then, right after the eighth doctor is brought in to look at the woman,

he sticks his head out of the room. And though Meredith is totally expecting him to be just as cowardly as the rest, to her surprise, he says, get an OR ready. There's going to be a surgery. And that's when she wakes up. The episode ends with Meredith telling her friends about the dream and they all laugh, like South Carolina is. Unwell, y'all, because South Carolina is unwell. Eight investigations, eight, to deal with

Weldon Boyd and Bradley Williams, which absent the Spivey case are formally known as who and who? The absurdity of eight investigations is shameful, because what happens if the grand jury decides to indict? Is Allen going to open a ninth investigation to review the review of the investigation, which was reviewed? At this point, I wouldn't be surprised to find out he's working on getting a road named after Weldon and Bradley while the investigation is being investigated because he is that confusing to us. Okay, back to the scope of Barry Barnett's investigation. Here's David with how Alan described it in his October 3rd, 2025 letter to Barnett, two months before his cousin interview, which is so hard not to think of Russell Lefeet when I say that, you guys, because with his stream of never-ending cousins

testifying at his trial and Russell Lefeet also had a cousin interview, and it wasn't. great. It was an actual disaster for him. But, okay, here's David. Due to the fact that we have already reviewed and made a decision on the investigation regarding the death of Scott Spivey, I would like to assign this investigation to your office to review. Once the investigation is complete, it may, or may not, bring up evidence that would affect the facts as we understand them from the initial investigation. would ask you to review the entire investigation, including the review of the death of Scott Spivey and my office's determination of immunity under the Protection of Persons and Property Act,

commonly referred to as Stand Your Ground Act. All of this evidence should be covered in the corruption investigation. I request that you make any prosecutorial decisions and handle the prosecutions as to misconduct and include the death of Scott Spivey if you find the current investigation, including the alleged misconduct, changes the analysis of my office. So Alan did not just task Barnett with determining whether there should be charges in the Ory County Police Corruption case. In his letter, he's clearly including Weldon and Bradley in this. quote, I would ask you to review the entire investigation. Now, don't get excited.

Because to our minds, the entire investigation is what Jennifer Spivey Foley has done, plus the things that a law enforcement agent can do that she cannot. But Allen means the SLED investigation. So again, a curated report. But don't lose hope. Sledd's report might look very different this time around. because in our opinions, the original sled agent assigned to this case seemed to be more of a gatekeeper of information on behalf of ORI County Police. Allen's letter in October seemed encouraging,

but also we were suspicious. Like, what's the catch here? Is this all political theater? At the end of investigation number eight, are we going to get the same result? Are we going to have yet another good old boy focused on Weldon's predicament on Camp Swamp Road and not the why of why he was there. That he brought this on himself, that he escalated the fight, that he lied to police and witnesses about why he turned down that road. But what worries us is the thought, are we just going to get the old? He feared for his life again. Or could this be Alan Wilson's way of saving face. Because let's talk real quick about those clues. We did not recuse ourselves. We are not conflicted. Let's talk about a South Carolina Supreme Court decision in 2016

in a little case called Pascoe v. Wilson. More on that after a quick commercial break, and we'll be right back. So, y'all know first solicitor, David Pascoe. If not, get to know him in episode 152 of of Cup of Justice. Pascoe is running for Attorney General and has built his career around calling out corrupt legislators, public officials, and government practices. In 2014, Alan Wilson appointed Pascoe as designated prosecutor in a case involving an influential legislator named Bobby Harold. And again, I have to laugh at the words designated prosecutor. Alan really hates using the word special, huh? Oh, wait, there's an entire page of his website devoted to special prosecution unit that handles crimes. Cool.

Anyway, long story short here, in this designated investigation, SLED discovered that Harold wasn't the only one engaged in unethical and illegal behavior. There were other legislators, namely Jimmy Merle and Rick Quinn, both former House majority leaders. And Pascoe told this to Alan. saying he believed those guys should be investigated too. The next day, Alan recused himself from the case because of, quote, certain conflicts that might exist, according to the 2016 state Supreme Court judgment. Those conflicts were Jimmy and Rick and Rick's father,

Richard Quinn's influential and highly connected political consulting company. His consulting firm was so powerful it was referred to as an empire and called the Quindam, and Richard Sr. was known as the godfather. Sled and Pasco had discovered that, surprise, surprise, certain legislators and companies were engaged in illegal lobbying practices that included the exchange of dark money for pay-for-play access to the state's top decision-makers. And yet no one had concerns that Alan Wilson, the state's top law enforcement officer,

had a conflict with this case? Huh. To show the public that he was serious about not being involved in the investigation to his friends and associates, Alan appointed his chief deputy attorney general, his employee, to be Pasco's point of communication in the investigation, and asked that there be a firewall where no information about the investigation got shared with him, meaning Alan. But then things got weird, which is no surprise when it comes to Alan well. As Pasco and Sled went forward with the investigation and made moves to impanel a grand jury to get indictments. Hello, sound familiar? Alan, who wasn't supposed to know what was happening in this case, started getting snippy about things.

And by snippy, I mean Alan fired Pascoe from the investigation. Literally fired him. Because Pasco was going to indict Alan's friends. Pasco was like, dude, you can't fire me. me, and that's where Pasco v. Wilson enters the chat. Here is David, with a particularly insightful passage from the Supreme Court's declaratory judgment in the case. An email from Pasco to Alan Wilson's Chief Deputy Attorney General prior to Allen's firing of Pasco. I ask that your office not interfere in this investigation any further, unless I ask for

your assistance. It is my understanding from my discussion. with SLED that your office conducted no further investigation into the matters after my October 1, 2014 email. The Attorney General's Office has a very clear conflict of interest in this matter. If the public is to have confidence in the integrity of the criminal process in this case, it is imperative that the Attorney General's Office recuse itself. Your letter does nothing but heighten my concern that the Attorney General's Office continues to work behind the scenes in an investigation for which you claim a conflict of interest. So, yikes, right?

Alan not only has a history of making a big show out of doing things the right way when it comes to particularly prickly prosecutions, he's also proven that this big show of his is not to be trusted, that he won't hesitate to involve himself to control the outcome to protect his political allies. So the Supreme Court sided with Pasco, and Pasco went ahead and indicted Jimmy, Rick Jr., Rick Sr., and others, and it was an uphill battle to get those charges to stick. For all of you, who have been with us from the very beginning, this case also involved a certain judge, Judge Carmen Mullen. After Rick Quinn Jr. pleaded guilty to a single charge of misconduct in office, in exchange for having all 12 charges dropped against his father, Carmen Mullen ignored the terms of the plea deal he struck with Pasko, which included jail time for Rick, and instead sentenced him to community service and probation.

Here's David with an excerpt from a story that ran in the state newspaper about this plea deal. In her chambers before Quinn's December 13, guilty plea hearing, circuit court judge Carmen Mullen requested Pascoe, quote, go light on the facts so the plea won't blow up." Pascow's motion says, Pasco did not follow Mullen's alleged suggestion. Instead, at that hearing, Pasco gave a long statement of Quinn's alleged misdeeds, supported by a slideshow of documents and diagrams,

centering around Quinn's work with his father's influential political strategy firm, Richard Quinn and associates. PASCO alleged Rick Quinn, while he was a legislator, made millions by working on behalf of the high-profile business clients of his father's company, who had business before the legislature. So that's the shortest version we can give you about the Pascoe versus Wilson case. It was huge at the time in one of the most significant anti-public corruption investigations in South Carolina's history. And Allen's claim to fame in it is that he tried to protect. his own interests over those of the public at large. Now you know why we're not so sure what to make of Barnett's decision to impanel a grand jury. It's great news, but also everybody needs to be side-eyeing

Alan Wilson right now. Because back to the clues we just talked about, we did not recuse ourselves, we are not conflicted. We think Alan was being pointed by using those words in his cousin interview. In other words, he didn't give up his power in the final decision about prosecution in the Spivey case, like the South Carolina Supreme Court study did with the legislative corruption case involving the quins. And he didn't give up that power while also telling the public that Barry Barnett has a wide open field to make his decisions, even if those decisions conflict with Allen's original findings on Weldon's and Bradley's culpability in Scott's death. Again, all eyes to the side watching Alan Wilson. But let's just pretend everything's on up and up. Let's manifest the up and up.

What charges could be on the table here for Weldon Bradley and Weldon's betters at Orie County Police Department. It's kind of hard to tell. There's at least the possibility of murder charges, perhaps voluntary manslaughter, obstruction of justice, misconduct in office, and conspiracy. And I'm sure there's more we haven't thought of. We also don't know when the state grand jury is expected to review Barnett's case. The stand-jured ground immunity hearing in the civil case begins February 17th in Orie County

courthouse if, and that's a big if, the grand jury meets and decides to issue indictments, before that, if any of those indictments are for Walden and Bradley, we would expect to see that immunity hearing continued. All of that is an exciting possibility, especially after eight investigations. Now, a couple more cynical theories here, because we simply don't trust Alan. One, again, is he doing this as a roundabout way of saving face? Will Barry Barnett give Alan a door to walk through? one that allows Alan to say, well, I didn't know that before. Now that I know it, please indict him. Or will Barry Barnett's efforts be thwarted by the grand jury for some reason? Now, the state grand jury is under Allen's purview. Will that be the hatchet to end all further discussion in the spivey case? Is this all so Alan can say, I told you so?

We really, really, really, really hate thinking like this, but we have to put this on the table to let Alan know we're watching closely. Not just us, but all of you as well. We all want justice for Scott Spivey and his family, and it's an exercise in insanity to watch how the criminal case continues to play out. Meanwhile, let's talk real quick about the civil case before we go. On Monday, SLEDD was ordered by a judge to hand over more information that was extracted from Weldon's phone and tablet and Bradley's phone. Turns out SLED didn't give the entire extraction file to investigators

because of the limitations of Weldon's and Bradley's consent to search forms at the time they handed over their devices to law enforcement in 2023. At least that's according to Weldon's team and, according to SLED, in their decisions. Jennifer Spivey Foley's legal team argued that even though the consent forms were limited at the time, Weldon and Bradley did consent to SLED searching their devices to determine what meant the criteria and what didn't. In October 2024, Foley's attorney Mark Tinsley filed a subpoena for the entirety of Sled's extraction from the phones and tablet. Finally, on Monday, the judge asked sled to see if there was any extracted data related to Weldon's speed of driving that day. Because remember, speeding is illegal and Weldon can't have been breaking the law at the time if he wants to qualify for immunity from prosecution.

The judge also asked sled to look for any data related to Weldon's and Bradley's deletion of Facebook messages. Last week, Foley's legal team also filed a full deposition from an expert in electrical and computer engineering. from Montana State University. According to the deposition, Marr was asked by Fogel's legal team to listen to Ory County Dispatches' version of Weldon's 911 call, as well as the version of the 911 call

that was saved on Weldon's phone because he was recording his calls, in which you can hear clearly the gunfight. Mar was asked to offer his opinion on two forensic questions. One was whether any gunshots could be heard prior to the first obvious gunshot, which came from inside Weldon's vehicle. The short answer to that was no.

There was no discernible sounds of a gunshot prior to what is believed to be Weldon's first shot at Scott, meaning the expert is saying that Scott did not shoot first, which is the backbone, the skeleton, the scaffolding of Weldon's and Bradley's whole story about why they had no choice but to kill Scott. Weldon's mantra was Scott shot first, right? So, if Scott didn't shoot first, does it matter? This is where it gets a little complicated. First, obviously, Weldon's and Bradley's legal team are going to dispute that Scott's gunshots would have been caught on Weldon's phone microphone, meaning they're going to say that

the expert's findings can only speak to what happened inside Weldon's vehicle and not outside of it. Second, even if Scott didn't shoot first, and it certainly looks like he didn't, based on this testimony and the testimony of witness number two, who we call Clark, that we shared with you in episode 133. That doesn't automatically disqualify Weldon and Bradley from standard ground immunity, but let's think this one out. At the time of Scott's killing, it's highly unlikely that Weldon and Bradley were fully educated on the intricacies of the standard ground immunity law as it's written and as it's been applied in case law. Meaning, Scott shot first seemed like a good thing to say to

justify why they had to kill him, right? But if they knew the law back then, they would have known that they could have legally killed Scott based on the reasonable belief that he was a threat to their lives. Obviously, that would be an issue to be debated in court, but it's still a valid claim per the law, which they now know. So will Walden and Bradley keep using that story as their defense, or will they try to shift that defense to, we thought he was going to kill us and that's why we shot at him? Uh-oh, we were wrong. This will be interesting to see play out in court. Okay, the second forensic question the expert analyzed,

was whether there were any subsequent gunshots heard from outside the vehicle after that first audible shot. The expert said he heard 29 shots total on the 911 call and that he didn't find any indication that any of those 29 shots were from outside Weldon's truck. So does this mean that Scott never fired his weapon? No. It just means that none of the shots were heard on Weldon's end, which makes sense if Scott never shot at Weldon and Bradley from outside his vehicle

and instead only shot back after taking cover in his truck. Again, we expect Weldon's and Bradley's team to exploit that in their favor, as in, well, we know that Scott shot back because one of the bullet holes in the back of Scott's truck seemed to be caused by a bullet coming from Scott's direction. Though, reminder, Weldon's truck was never hit with bullets from Scott. The logic behind that is if you can't hear the knowable, then it's plausible you couldn't hear the unknowable, whether Scott actually shot first as,

Weldon and Bradley claimed. Now, we'll talk more about this as we get closer to the stand-your-ground hearing, but this question of who shot who first is a major one, and that's because in the immunity hearing, Judge Griffith will have to look at all the evidence, which includes Weldon and Bradley's statements and testimony and decide whether it's credible. Part of that would include assessing Weldon and Bradley's characters,

like, are they honest men? Does their story match the evidence? Is there a reason not to believe them? Now let's take a look at what the phone calls show us about Weldon and Bradley's credibility. Here, Weldon admits to chasing Scott, despite what Alan seems to think happened. Oh, he knew I was following him. Me and you talking, he knew he had fucked up at that point. Because all the other cars slammed on brakes and was trying to get away from,

and I was like, he just ran me off the road and aimed a gun and rattles head. Fuck this guy and I chased him. Oh, I was on his ass. And his truck couldn't outrun my truck. And he knew it. So, yeah, he was terrified. Weldon admits to getting behind the scenes updates on how the investigation is going from Deputy Chief Brandon Strickland, including about Scott's alleged state of being that evening.

Here, he talks about how Scott's. Alcohol consumption wouldn't be enough to help his argument as to why he had to shoot and kill him. The reference to Ken is Ken Moss, Weldon's attorney, and at the time, Bradley's attorney. Well, and that's something Brandon told me. And, you know, that's off the record stuff. But Brandon flat out said, dead man can't tell no tells. So they probably need to find out how much he asked to be drinking

boardwalking. Ken said in this kind of situation alcohol is not going to help our argument. Ken said alcohol won't really I forgot how he worded it but in this situation the alcohol isn't going to be hard hitting. He said we need narcotics

or we need steroids. Yeah and I don't think alcohol that made you good crazy. That's why Ken said that alcohol isn't going to be something that helps you. But it doesn't matter at this point. He's already, the evidence shows he initiated the fight. He was committed to the fight and he tried to stay in the fight.

So we never left our vehicle. We only defended ourselves. And unfortunately, he got killed. Well. I tell Bradley even Joe. I had a damn deal. blast, but... And there's that, that

Weldon had a blast. And in this next call, Weldon and Bradley laugh about getting tear drop tattoos that seem to recalibrate their stories. But it's over, it's fun, we got that experience, we got a stateside notch.

Yeah. We should go get tear drop tattoos. Yeah. I don't want to say that. We was going home from the farm. That's what I first thought was. We got to get tear drop tattoos or spider webbeds. We got to find somewhere on our body to put a

tear drop. I'm doing it. Me and you're going to fucking do it. I don't give a shit. We're doing it. Oh, God. Battle buddies. And that's what I told Ken. I said, you know, the big thing is he protected me. I protected him. Our lives were in danger. There was

no backing up. There was no getting out of there. And Ken said, well, you know, okay, well, what if they ask you this? Why didn't you put the truck in reverse and try to maneuver out? I said, because then I would have just exposed Bradley more on his side. And while I'm trying to move a truck around, there's still a guy walking towards us with a gun trying to shoot us. And clearly in the recording, you say, I can't.

which which is golden. Ken said the things we said on that recording, he said the mag change thing was a little gun hook, but he said the things we said were golden. But when you asked for the mag

he was already dead. Yeah, yeah I think, yeah, oh yeah, that's when I was going to walk up and check, but I knew I did, I either was, I knew I either had two left or one left. I lost count when he put his head up. Well, I was out. Okay, so I ran out.

When he was getting in the truck, my slide was locked back. I reached down, dumped my bag, grabbed the one out of my bag, put it back in, rack the slide, and then that's when he popped again. So,

honestly, I cannot remember if I had 124 full-metal jackets in that spirit mag or hollow ones. I don't know. That would be one determining factor. If there was full-metal jacket is what killed him,

and there's their lives who killed who. Well, we'll find out. I think we'll know what the report will say Hall of Points or Full Metal Jack. It will say that much. Okay. Well, I mean, like I said, I mean, I don't care. Well, you know, it could have been a Full Metal Jacket that hit him in the head because when I looked at him, I could see part of his head and it wasn't just liquefied. and I feel like a hollow point might

have a hollow point should have fucking booted the side of yeah now I could not see his face so I don't know

what it looked like from his ear forward on either side but the back of his head was intact but if he was lifting the center console he likely had his head

turned more he probably got shot in the face right so I don't know but yeah as long as they got all

the factual evidence. Our story has been proven tonight when we told them that he engaged us, not one shot, not a warning shot in the air. He straight up engaged us from the outside of the truck advancing towards us. And when he realized he was outgunned, and whether that was when he was getting grazed or he got tagged a few times, he retreated to his truck. And when he crawled in that truck, you and me, stopped.

And then when he fired three more shots, he lifted his head up and finally we saw him. And whatever, I don't know how many more times we shot after that, but that ended it. And that is just a small sample of their credibility issues. The calls themselves give them away. But even without those calls, Weldon and Bradley's insistence that Scott shot first, Plus, witness number two's testimony, Clark's testimony, that he never saw Scott point his weapon at Weldon. He only saw Weldon poised to shoot and heard him unload his weapon on Scott. That pretty much gives it all away, right?

Weldon and Bradley hung their entire narrative off something that did not happen, that they seemed to know didn't happen. Based on their conversations, Weldon's fears and Weldon's instruction to delete. messages. How can a judge possibly consider them to be credible knowing this? Knowing that to make Weldon's story credible, believable, to keep Weldon and Bradley from getting prosecuted, required unorthodox and possibly illegal assistance from the ORI County Police Department. I hope that we will have the answer to that question soon enough. In the meantime, let's manifest some indictments and remind every person involved in the decision on whether or not to prosecute

Weldon Boyd, Bradley Williams, and the Orie County police officers who participated in what we believe was a massive cover-up. We need to tell them something they need to hear. The outcome of this case is as consequential to the entire justice system as the Murdoch case. The public has heard the phone calls from Deputy Chief Brandon Strickland, reassuring Weldon that he was working in the shadows in the investigation on Weldon's behalf. The public has seen the video of Officer Damien Viscovy writing act like a victim, camera, and showing it to Weldon while he was being interviewed. The public has heard the only witness to the shooting saying that Scott was not pointing his weapon when Weldon fired the first shots on Camp Swamp Road.

The public has seen the evidence of Weldon chasing Scott Spivey for miles before the shooting occurred. In our opinion, the public has seen a massive amount of evidence in both the crime and the cover-up in this case. So if South Carolina authorities decide to continue the corruption and double down on Alan Wilson's previous decision not to prosecute. Public trust in the system won't only erode. It will evaporate.

Alan Wilson needs to understand that doubling down any further in this case will be viewed by the public as obstruction of justice, which could and should cost him the election. And before we go, don't forget premium members. Next Wednesday, Elyke-Murdock's Supreme Court appeal hearing kicks off at near 9.30 a.m. Eastern Time. We will be interacting with Soak Up the Sun members as we cover the hearing live. We will also publish that hearing to Luna Shark's YouTube channel for everyone.

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