Murdaugh Murders Podcast - TSP #138 - How Far Will Spivey Co-Killer Bradley Williams Go to Stay Loyal to Weldon Boyd + Where Is Cory Fleming?

Episode Date: February 26, 2026

Investigative Journalists Mandy Matney and Liz Farrell unpack a landmark victory in the Scott Spivey case after Judge Bubba Griffith denied North Myrtle Beach restaurant owner Weldon Boyd's Stand Your Ground immunity following a dramatic four-day hearing.  Mandy and Liz examine how Spivey family attorney Mark Tinsley methodically dismantled both men's credibility using their own secretly recorded phone calls, deleted Facebook messages, and prior depositions against them.  All the while... South Carolina Attorney General Alan Wilson has publicly tripled down on his office's refusal to prosecute Boyd and Williams.  Plus… JP Miller might be heading to a federal trial March 17th and the team asks: where in the world is Cory Fleming? Alex Murdaugh's disgraced co-conspirator has mysteriously vanished from South Carolina's prison system under a secretive Interstate Corrections Compact — and no state will confirm his whereabouts.  Episode Links Support Independent Journalism with a Premium LUNASHARK Membership 💖 JP Miller’s Federal Jury Selection - March 17, 2026 📅 Interstate Corrections Compact through National Center of Interstate Compacts 🤝 Rewatch Judge Griffith’s Ruling from the Bench Denying Weldon Boyd Immunity 🎞️ Public Hearing Links 🎞️ Day One Day Two Day Three Day Four Stay Tuned, Stay Pesky and Stay in the Sunlight...☀️ Learn more about LUNASHARK Premium Membership at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lunashark.supercast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to get bonus episodes like our Premium Dives, Wherever It Leads..., Girl Talk, and Soundbites that help you Stay Pesky and Stay in the Sunlight. Plus BTS content from Murdaugh: Death in the Family AND Mandy's book Blood On Their Hands. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Support Our Show, Sponsors and Mission: https://lunasharkmedia.com/support/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Quince⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Hungry Root⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Bombas⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4cJ0eVn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ *** ALERT: If you ever notice audio errors in the pod, email ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and we'll send fun merch to the first listener that finds something that needs to be adjusted! *** For current & accurate updates: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lunashark.supercast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram.com/mandy_matney⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠   |   ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram.com/elizfarrell⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠   ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠bsky.app/profile/mandy-matney.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠bsky.app/profile/elizfarrell.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TrueSunlight.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠facebook.com/TrueSunlightPodcast/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram.com/TrueSunlightPod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠youtube.com/@LunaSharkMedia⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠tiktok.com/@lunasharkmedia Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey there, E.B. here. Your faithful Cup of Justice co-host. I am so excited to tell you about my new book, Anything But Bland. In this memoir, I share stories about my childhood, marked by bullying, my father's job loss, and the indomitable spirit that propelled me into the law and ultimately international recognition during the Alex Murdole murder trial. I believe in certain life principles that have helped me and helped others achieve success. From the power of organization and a sense of urgency to the importance of truth, leadership, and resilience. With vivid recollection from challenges and triumphs framing each chapter, success isn't about luck. It's earned through skill and hard work. Please visit theericblan.com to learn more about the book, Anything But Bland is a manifesto for those seeking triumph over adversity

and a guide for anyone aspiring to reach their full potential. don't know if Bradley Williams will get Stand Your Ground Immunity in the Scott Spivey case. But after listening to Judge Bubba Griffith explain exactly why he denied Weldon Boyd immunity, and after delving into Bradley's bizarre testimony and deposition, we think Bradley could be in big, big trouble. My name is Mandy Matney. This is True Sunlight, a podcast exposed a podcast. in crime and corruption, previously known as the Murdoch murders podcast. True Sunlight is a Luna Shark production written with journalist Liz Farrell.

Well, hello. To start the show, I want to express my deep gratitude to our new and old Luna Shark premium members who made last week 1,000 times better with their support while we covered the Stand Your Ground hearing. I honestly could not ask for a better community. A special thanks to new annual members, Sheila, Lindsay, Brenna, and Samantha, Renee, and others that we will thank on future podcasts. Thank you all, sincerely, for your support. You keep us going. We have another big event coming up that you will definitely want Luna Shark premium for, and that is J.P. Miller's federal trial, which is now set for the week of March 17th. So, according to court documents filed this week, jury selection for Myrtle Beach pastor J.P. Miller's federal trial will be held on March 17th at the McMillan Federal Building

in Florence, South Carolina, with the Honorable Joseph Dawson III presiding. J.P. Miller, whose estranged wife, Micah Frances Miller, was found dead in April 24, has pleaded not guilty to two federal charges of cyberstocking and lying to investigators. A pre-trial conference where J.P. Miller can enter a plea or request a trial is scheduled for March 12th. All motions to suppress or continue, meaning delay the trial, must be submitted next week. Meaning, we should know in the next week if this trial is actually going to happen on March 17th, and we will keep you updated on every twist and turn. Okay, so before we unpack all the good stuff from last week's spivey hearing where Weldon Boyd was denied immunity.

We have a question to ask y'all because we can't find the answer. Where in the world is Corey Fleming? You know, Corey Fleming. Elyke Murdoch's BFF, who was a key player in the Satterfield heist as he was Gloria's attorney, while he knowingly allowed Ehrlich to steal millions from their family and not give them a dime in the settlement. That Corey. In 2023, Corey Fleming was sentenced to 46 months in federal prison, but somehow he got that sentence nearly cut in half through good behavior, apparently. And a drug program that good old boy Judge Gergel recommended for Corey, even though there were no reports of Corey ever abusing drugs. Corey has a 10-year state sentence consecutive

with his federal prison sentence, which is why we thought it was so weird that it seemed like he was hurrying along his federal sentence. Federal prisons are like staying at a Marriott courtyard while state prison is like a roadside motel. No one cuts their time short at a Marriott courtyard to stay at a motel. So this immediately flagged our radar when we saw that he was set to be released from state prison in January of this year. Well, wait, actually, In December, the Federal Bureau of Prison sent a letter to one of Elic Murdoch's clients, who had nothing to do with Corey Fleming, saying that Corey Fleming would be released on February 5, 2026 to, quote, reside in the Beaufort area.

That was apparently a mistake on several fronts, because Corey Fleming has several more years in his state sentence. When we alerted Alan Wilson's office of this in December, they were basically like, like, oh, no biggie, he should be going directly to state prison. So Corey was set to be released from federal custody on January 21st, 26th, after serving 29 months of his 46-month sentence. And he was temporarily housed at Kirkland Reception and Housing Center. But then, a couple weeks ago, Liz checked the SCDC inmate search and guess what? No, Corey.

Then Beth emailed Christy Shane, the spokesperson at SCDC, asking her, uh, where's Corey? Christy told Beth that Corey was being housed in another state as a part of the Interstate Corrections compact. She said it was a part of a national agreement, quote, between states to house inmates in the situation best suited for them to serve their time. When Beth asked again where exactly Corey was, like, okay, then. then tell us what state prison system he's in. The SDDC person refused to answer,

citing quote-unquote security reasons, which is also odd. So we check the inmate searches for the other 49 states, and of course, no Corey. We say, of course, because every single thing about Corey's prison sentence has been weird. The problem, according to an article by the Center for Public Integrity,

is the program is secretive with apparently little oversight, which is suspicious on its face, obviously. But why is Corey Fleming getting the Gerard Price treatment? Remember him? The South Carolina murderer who was sent to New Mexico's prison system because he was, quote, unquote, running the South Carolina prison system,

the murderer that got released early in a secret closed-door deal between a retiring judge and a powerful lawyer legislator named Todd Rutherford in 2023. So what's the deal here? Is this about Ehrlich? Is Eleg running the prison system now and Corey is in danger? Doubtful.

We all heard David read Ehrlich's love letters to Corey. Is Corey afraid of prisoners he represented before? People who weren't happy with the outcome of their cases, maybe? Or is he afraid of whoever he might have ratted on the last time he went missing? The answer to all of that is we don't care. What we care about is that Corey, whose attorney is Miss Shady Pants herself, Debbie Barbier, is off the map in a case that is literally about lawyers thinking they're above the law. He got out of federal prison after serving just 63% of his sentence.

That's not cool. And here we are. Here the victims are, with no way of knowing where the person who they, for all practical purposes, testified against, is. Once again, South Carolina is showing how it does things differently for the quarries of the world. Now let's get into the good stuff, the victory. Last week, following a four-day hearing, Judge Bubba Griffith, denied Weldon Boyd's motion to claim stand-your-ground immunity in the September 2023 shooting of Scott Spivey.

He said that he will decide on Bradley Williams' immunity after attorneys submit their proposed orders in two weeks. Scott Spivey, 33, was shot and killed on Camp Swamp Road in Loris, South Carolina, in a road rage incident just before 6 p.m. on September 9th, 2003. Six months later, South Carolina Attorney General Alan Wilson's office decided not to charge Scott's killers, who would be North Myrtle Beach man and restaurant owner, Weldon Boyd, and his friend Bradley Williams. For Scott's killing in 2024, that did not sit right with Scott's sister, Jennifer, who then hired Mark the Tiger Tensley, and together, the two of them uncovered thousands of files

in Scott's case that showed clear wrongdoing in the investigation in evidence of Weldon Boyd using his police department connections to sway the investigation in his favor. A bulk of that evidence was discovered and recorded phone calls that Weldon made in the hours after the shooting. Jennifer filed suit against Weldon and Bradley in 2024 for wrongful death. Weldon and Bradley then claimed that they were protected by Stand Your Ground Immunity, which brought us to last week's hearing with Judge Bubba Griffith.

Now, as we explained last week, Weldon and Bradley had the burden of proving that killing Scott was done in self-defense and according to the law. The attorneys at the hearing were Ken Moss, who represented Weldon, while Morgan Martin, his son, Morgan O'Brien Martin, and Robert E. Lee, yes, he includes the E, represented Bradley. The defense presented their case for nearly three and a half days, calling over 10 witnesses. In the last episode, we summarized the first three days for y'all. But their witnesses were essentially a couple non-convincing cops, a few eyewitnesses with conflicting stories, two doctors, a pharmacologist who studies songbirds, and Weldon and Bradley.

Weldon was on the stand for more than seven hours. His testimony was the longest and perhaps the most damning, and you'll see why we think this when you hear Judge Bubba Griffith's explanation. Bradley was the defense's last witness, and his testimony revealed a side to him that was not good, and we will talk about that in a minute. Mark Tensley, on behalf of Jennifer Spivey Foley, only called two witnesses,

a fireman who heard two trucks speeding by the highway night, station loudly at seemingly excessive speeds. At the same time, Weldon and Scott would have been passing it, and an audio expert who analyzed Weldon's 911 recording and determined that no shots were heard before Weldon and or Bradley unloaded their weapons in their truck, meaning this expert testified that Scott did not fire first like Weldon and Bradley have insisted. After Mark was finished presenting his case, Judge Bubba Griffith told the attorneys, essentially, he has heard enough, and he did not need to hear closing arguments.

Morgan Martin then started begging, like a child asking for more time on the playground. And finally, Judge Bubba was like, okay, guys, you get 10 minutes each, but like, I've heard enough. Ken Moss then made a really bizarre closing argument, more bizarre than his opening statement where he thought it was necessary to describe Blaise Ward as a petite little girl. Let me just play this part. But let me say the phone calls are the elephant in the room, and nobody in the courtroom, other than my client, said the out loud part.

They're disgusting. My client said they were disgusting. A lot of us probably thought it, but he's only one that said it. They are after a traumatic event. They are after time when my client was in a harm state. He certainly had a crash afterwards, which he explained to you. And I submit to you while they're horrible, they're not relevant to this case. They're not, they don't, there's no admission in them.

There's no intent expressed with them. There's no design expressed with them. And so I, I feel that we need to address that. Contrary to what Ken Moss just said, the phone calls were very much relevant to Judge Griffith's decision. And it's kind of funny, he focused his question. closing on that. Like Ken knew his client was in trouble and he had to ask one last time for the judge to just set aside the worst evidence against Weldon like the AG did, like Worry County Police did, like Solicitor Jimmy Richardson. After Ken, Morgan Martin completely disregarded the judge's 10-minute

time limit and he spent 25 minutes rambling about why Bradley was standing his ground. His rambling included analogies about South Carolina football and five-legged dogs. So, We're talking real old school here. And we should note that both Ken and Morgan had miced up for this. They had put Lavalier mics on their lapels just so all this brilliance could be caught. Finally, 25 minutes into Morgan Martin's ramblings, Judge Bubba Griffith said, I've heard enough. And Mr. Tinsley, I got your point. So you don't need to waste anyone's time here.

That's when everyone watching in the Luna Shark feed perked up and realized something good was about to happen. Judge Griffith said this. Mr. Tindley, I want you to stay there. I've listened to this whole thing, this withdrawal or trying to get away from the thing. Driving over 115 miles an hour trying to get away, sounds like a reason to try to withdraw. I don't know what else you could have done

to get away from there. That's getting away, that's withdrawing. At least that's indicative of it to me, and it wasn't working. anyway this is this is an immunity here not a guilt or innocence

it's not a money thing this is immunity and this not in fault bringing on the difficulty that's tricky but credibility is huge here I'm evaluating credibility of what I heard

and proponics is 50 50 plus a smidget Y'all got to get the smidgin more to meet me the preponderance. A smidgen. This is when we knew that he was heading in the right direction, y'all. I really questioned the credibility, the Weldon boy. I find his testimony lacking credibility in many places.

I'll give a few, for instance. I'm not going through a mile, but a few. He called Mr. Strickland, the deputy, but he wasn't looking for help. called the lawyer looking for help. I get that called Chief Deputy, but it wasn't looking for help. It's not credible. The differing descriptions of Spivey's behavior outside the truck, compare McMurro's description to these two's description, totally different.

I don't know how you confuse those, even if you're looking through your ear of view mirror. You see a big difference. And whether you call it pursuit, following, I'm chasing, they know both guys in that truck know that the guy they're following at a rapid trying to keep up

has got a gun stay back he's acting like a fool he was spivey was acting like a fool that day no question about that but foolish behavior don't require you to foolishly act yourself and it seems that driving over a hundred miles

and hour trying to keep up the guy with a gun is foolish so the spivey speeds Y'all got me one second interview. Enterals all the way down that road, and somehow the Boytruck was able to maintain his close proximity to give a pretty detailed description

to 911 once he was giving a description to 911. Anyway, I find it incredible. Hear that, Ken? The calls do matter. They spoke to Weldon's credibility. The judge found Weldon to be not credible. Then he got to Bradley. The testimony of Williams, still balancing that.

He'd got better credibility than Boyd. The phone calls Boyd made after the fact shows his, I don't know, trying to get his story straight, maybe. Trying to get help, trying to make certain that they're going to be free and clear of any responsibility, liability, responsibility, whatever word you want. And he's certainly communicating to Mr. Williams to get help in that regard. So here what I want. I find that Mr. Boyd's request for immunities denied.

I like a proposed order to that effect. I'm still sitting on Williams. He didn't want to be there. He said back up, slow down. He tried. But yet there he is. So he had no way of not following it 100 miles an hour and keeping up. I'm not certain how to sort that out.

I'm going to study that one. So I'd like a proposed order from you and from whichever one of y'all, three of y'all, I don't care which one writes it, from the team. Proposed orders respectively, granting immunity, denying immunity. This one's, I want two orders from you, one order from you. And you know, you'll ask me several times. I want to hear the 911 tape again.

The last time I heard it, this is, I don't know exactly. It wouldn't take much to convince me the last words on there. Mr. Boyd was backing his truck up. He said, backing up, backing up, backing up, removing himself away from the truck at the scene.

I don't know what he did or not. Nobody addressed that, but it sure is on that recording. Pretty incredible statements when he's excited reporting what he's doing. But the last three things he said, backing up, backing up, backing up. That was after Mr. William said, why did you have to keep doing this? I said at the end. I don't know whether they move the truck or not.

It doesn't have an indication or an impact on my decision to deny immunity, but it certainly could be argued. All right, am I clear on my instructions? Yes, John. Yes. Clear? Yes, Your Honor. Good deal. All right.

Judge Griffith said, yeah, Bradley has more credibility than Weldon at this point, but that does not mean that he should automatically be protected by stand your ground. Again, unlike Kin tried to say, the calls matter. What they said on those calls matters. Why would Weldon and Bradley work on getting their story straight if they're, they were truly standing their ground. Judge Griffith is going to review the evidence in the case and said that he was really going to listen to that 911 call

when he makes his decision or whether or not Bradley Williams stood his ground. The parties decided that both sides will ride up proposed orders and Judge Griffith will make his decision sometime after March 6. So what about Bradley? Will he actually get immunity? For the record, by the way, I hope Bradley had a terrible week, and I hope he has another deeply unfun week ahead of him as he awaits Judge Griffith's decision on his own motion for immunity. Weldon's number one loyalist should have known he was in trouble.

The second he heard Mark Tinsley refer to him in his opening statements as, quote, the poor, innocent passenger, who was in, quote, complete agreement with Weldon's big lies. because that's a big problem for Bradley. A big, big problem. But let's talk about pre-hearing Bradley first. Let's talk about the era when Bradley was just known as Weldon's grimy plus one to Scott's killing. From the beginning, the spotlight was on Weldon because, well, Weldon is Weldon. Remember this call with his mama the morning after Weldon and Bradley killed Scott? Bradley was literally in the passenger seat when Weldon said this to his mother.

Han said that, you know, he's going to put a statement together. He said, you know, you're not a celebrity, but you kind of are. And it's going to get around wrong things where we said. So Weldon, Per Weldon, was the one who mattered. Not only because Weldon was the driver, the 911 caller, the louder voice, the narrator of quote-unquote facts, the guy with more money, the guy with friends in high places. He also had a lawyer, Ted Moss, who was willing to get into. to the dirt for him. And we'll talk about that in a future episode about Ken Moss and the many shady looking things he appears to have done in this case or put up with or created. In the meantime,

let's just sum Ken up with what he seems to be, at least in our opinion. And that's Cray for Pay. More on Bradley. After a quick break, we'll be right back. I remember the days when I was working in newspapers when we would still make post office runs and we're stuck with expensive postage meter leases. And I know. friends whose companies still do this today. It's 2026, not 1926. Mail and ship when you want, how you want, with Stamps.com. We don't send a ton of mail, but when we do, we only use our Stamps.com account.

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the shooting on September 9th, 2023. First, the basics. Bradley, who is actually Kenneth Bradley Williams and goes by his middle name, is from Darlington County but grew up in Chesterfield County. He's 34 years old at the time of the shooting and works with heavy machinery. He and Weldon met in technical college and they are... Were? Close. Weldon was even the officiant at Bradley's marriage to his wife in 2019.

Second, the personality. Where Weldon seems to be a 75 mile per hour, on the move, hyperbolic, shifting, entangled in dramas of his own making all the time kind of guy. Bradley appears to be more quiet, less complicated, and not at all like the kind of friend who would secretly record your phone calls that then get played for a judge. Third, the day of the shooting. Bradley was coming to Weldon's farm for them to ride side by sides, and according to Weldon's deposition, do some shooting.

The deposition was on February 10, 2025, so over a year ago. Here's David with what Weldon said after Mark asked him if he and Bradley had done some shooting earlier in the day or plan to do some shooting at the farm. I think we may have planned to plink a little bit that afternoon, but we were taking the couches, the fans, the cushions, the rifle, and all that other stuff out to the farm. We had been moving all day, moving stuff out there, or heading in that direction to move stuff out there.

He had to adjust that a little at the end there to make it closer to the truth. The truth is Weldon had changed the plans. Instead of having Bradley meet him at the farm, he wanted him to come to the condo to help him load the couches. But that plan got a little scurry. Here's Weldon calling Bradley at 3 p.m. And it sort of gives you a little bit of insight into how hectic the day was for Weldon in consideration of the tasks he had to do and the formal breakup of his engagement. Where are you at?

I can't hear you. Oh, look at it. This kind of wraps two-fifty stuff I thought that's a lot. From where? The farm or the condo? But I texted you an hour ago and told you to go to the condo. Yes. It appears that Weldon came and got Bradley at the farm, and the two went to Weldon's condo in North Myrtle Beach, and then from there stopped at tractor supply before getting back on Highway 9.

Fourth, when the South Carolina Attorney General's office made their decision not to charge Weldon and Bradley in April 2024, they sent a letter to Weldon formally. letting him know of their decision, and it appears that they, at least at first, forgot to send one to Bradley. Why? Well, like we've said before, it seems like to the AG's office, this was all about Weldon's exoneration, to the point that Bradley was once again seen as Weldon's plus one to the good old boy ball. Fifth, Bradley's phone revealed a bit about what was on his mind in the days after the shooting. He appears to have Googled about hearing loss and gunfire, and for information about concealed carrying insurance, aka gun insurance, in case you shoot somebody. And let's not forget that the very first

thing Weldon Bradley appeared to have done the morning after the shooting was to go buy replacement pistols at Palmetto State Armory, the gun superstore owned in part by Attorney General Alan Wilson's brother. And sixth, up until this hearing, the version of Bradley we knew was limited to these few things he said in text messages and on Weldon's secretly recorded calls, which, for those of you just joining us, Weldon recorded those calls and either had tried to delete them before handing his phone over to police and was unsuccessful or handed his phone over to police while remaining unbothered because in no world did he expect anyone to actually do their jobs and investigate the case. Anyway, Bradley didn't tell his wife about the shooting until the next

morning after leaving her hanging the night before. Remember this text exchange? David will read as Bradley and Grace Hills as Amanda. Good morning, lovebug. I can't wait to hear what happened. We had a great party and I'm not hung over. You know, never a dull moment with Weldon. Oh man, oh man. My mind is wondering. L.O.L. I'm a finish pooping and then call. Bradley seemed to be the only voice of reason inside Weldon's truck. Because remember when he said this immediately after the shooting was done? I got a damn.

Why can we fucking leave him alone? But also, Bradley seemed to be either no better than Weldon, or completely and blindly and stupidly loyal to him, or all of the above. Let's listen to a few phone calls. Here is one call from the evening of September 11, 2023. Come on, Carr. But it's over. It's fun.

We got that experience. We got a stateside notch. Yeah. We should go get tear drop tattoos. You know, I didn't want to say that. We was going home from the farm. That's what I first thought was.

We got to get tear drop tattoos or spiderweb with our elbows. We got to find somewhere on our body to put a tear drop. I'm doing it. Me and you're going to fucking do it. I don't give a shit. We're doing it. Oh, my gosh. Battle buddies.

And here's another call from September 13th, 2020. Hey, a couple of things. Go back on Facebook and just delete our chat again between you and I. And then if they asked me and you just talked through the JR, me, you and chat, or we text or call each other. Second thing is the upper and lower were separated. And the only reason we had the lower with us was because we were going to put. a different trigger in it that night. The last thing is the family's furious that they didn't seize our phones. So Ken's trying to work it out.

The superiors are saying, well, we're only need to do a data dump. And Ken's telling them that they're not privy to a data dump. So there's a war over the phones right now. What Ken's trying to work out is because the family's saying that there's pictures we withheld from the investigation, which is a lie. So Ken's trying to arrange it where the detective can just, we hand our phone to the detective, he can look through and check, make sure all the pictures that we got are the ones that he was given to,

which they were. But Ken's going to fight them on this data dump shit, because our internet search history, our banking information, all that other crap is none of their business. Yeah, okay, so it's fine. As far as the pictures, they have the pictures that you took. And one more thing to know about Bradley? We thought for sure he would see the light and understand that hitching his future to Weldon's donkey

was eventually going to end with both of them going over the Mark Tensley Cliff together. As we've said before, Bradley and Scott might have been the only two guys actually standing their grounds on Camp Swamp Road that evening. Scott was being followed. We'll use Bradley and Weldon's preferred word for it by Weldon, and it turns out a few others, like Blaze Ward, who kept her distance, who says that he kept his distance, and Lori Sarvis, who, God knows what she did. She said that she took after Scott and was keeping Scott in her sight, so who knows what that looks like. But that was Scott. Bradley was a passenger in Weldon's truck and didn't make any decisions about the speed that they were driving or the turn that they unnecessarily took onto Camp Swamp Road, something Bradley's attorney repeated several times and unconvincingly during the hearing.

Which brings us to last Friday when we all got to see the real Bradley Williams. The real Bradley Williams was not much of a sympathetic character, even though the first half of the first half of the, testimony was designed to make the court believe that he was. Here is how it started. Kenneth Williams. Bradley. Kenneth Bradley Williams? Bradley Williams.

He could barely get his name out, and I don't know about you, but that immediately causes me to be like, uh-oh, because I feel it deeply when people are nervous, scared, and standing on an invisible tightrope. But also in this hearing, credibility was everything. Weldon had none, which was clear to everyone. Even the judge said it for the record. So no matter what, we knew that if Bradley chose to testify and stick a pin in that for a second, he would likely come off as more credible than Weldon, which again is not hard to do. And we weren't sure at the time where the judge would go with that. Would Weldon's story come off as more credible because Bradley was testifying under oath to that. same story. Neither Weldon nor Bradley were required to testify in this case, by the way. But obviously, given all the damning evidence and circumstances, they thought their testimony would be better than silence. And they had answers for everything. Everything we saw, everything we heard before the hearing wasn't what we thought it was, y'all. But back to Bradley's testimony. I want you to understand

how bizarrely casual Bradley's attorney was through this. the court a little bit of background on you. How old are you, Bradley? Are you married? Yes, sir. All right, now, I want to be sure you speak up so we can hear you. You talk softly, so. And kind of look at his honor.

He's, I guess, the one that matters. I mean, by myself. Remember, there was no jury in this hearing. Typically, witnesses are advised behind the scenes to look at the jury when they speak, right? Morgan Martin seems to be doing this witness. prep in real time on the stand by saying, and kind of look at his honor, he's, I guess, the one that matters. Uh, yeah, you guessed right. He matters. But also, this was the first sign that the only homework that Bradley seemed to have done before the hearing was metaphorical worksheets

from a metaphorical textbook called how to stick to the story, despite how much it gets contradicted by the facts and other testimony. Bradley, like Weldon, was clearly prepped in defense witness tactics that might have worked in another case, but not this one. Because Bradley, like Weldon, refused to give any ground on cross-examination, which mattered zero percent because Mark, Tiger Tinsley, took background away from him every time. But I'm getting ahead of myself. Here are a few notable moments during Bradley's direct testimony. He was clearly nervous, but more than anything, he seemed to want to give off an unbothered vibe, a vibe that said, I didn't want to do it, but I had no choice and therefore have no reason to regret anything. Really, Bradley only showed a

slight bit of emotion about this whole thing two times and both were over the same thing, sort of self-pity. Here's the first time it happened. See if you can even detect it. Were you fearful at that time? Yes, sir. And so your immediate word without much thought was back up well and back up? Correct. All right. And at that point in time, which is in the seconds before you are welled and shoot the gun, are you in fear for your life? Absolutely. Do you believe any reasonable man would have been in fear for his life? Yes, sir, I do.

And in your words, why did you shoot when you shot? Because I had no other option. Other than what? There was nothing else I could do. I couldn't, I can't retreat. I can't get out. I'm there. That little wobble at the end punctuated Bradley's only real defense in this,

which, again, is that he was the passenger, simply along for the ride, which doesn't actually absolve him, but we'll get there. And, uh, oh, hey, here's how Bradley explained what he meant when the shooting was over, and he asked Weldon why Weldon couldn't have just left Scott, alone. And on those 911 calls, after this has happened,

you can be heard, it appears, to say it, say something like, well, and why and the F, couldn't you leave him alone? You said that, didn't? I did say that. All right. Was that a thought out, response to tany a statement, or what was that? That was

directly after the shooting had stopped. I am scared. I didn't want what just happened to have happened. I didn't want to be in that situation. I was scared. If Bradley ever had Judge Griffith in his quarter, this might have been the moment he lost him, because we all know what Bradley meant when he asked Weldon

why he couldn't have just left Scott alone. Bradley literally meant what he said, but now he's turning it into some utterance of internal fear, which, please, rather than the insightful remark that it was, a remark that had revealed what had brought them to this point and how unnecessary it was. Now, just about every question Morgan Martin asked Bradley was a leading question. Morgan would essentially give Bradley the answer in question form, ask Bradley to confirm or deny. The fact that the judge and Mark Tensley were letting him get away with this, as long as they did, should have registered as uh-oh to Morgan, because, in our opinion

anyway, it seemed to mean that it didn't matter. It was not gaining Bradley any advantage here. But in the end, Morgan did take it too far for Judge Bubba. why couldn't you leave him along? That was not a condemnation of what Weldon had done. It was just the thought that was in your mind that came out at the time. That's not a fair question. It's not. No.

It was a great example of a perfectly leading question. Well, we've been doing a lot of leading here. Yeah, well, that's about the worst one I heard. Or the best one I heard. Best one. Which ever way you're going to write. I like that better. In regards to Weldon, you know, I said what I said at that moment, but I don't disagree with what Weldon did.

I didn't see what he was doing wrong. He called the police to let the know that the man with the gun is acting crazy. And he needed to be taken a through. Yeah, he's a danger to everybody around him. And you thought that even you, to Zoomington, had a social duty to try to get the police to get this guy off the rhythm. Yeah, that's what needed to happen. That's the whole point. That's all the question is that.

Can you believe that? First of all, who does Morgan Martin work for? Not Bradley with that question. Because let me just get this straight. You want to clarify for the judge that your client, whose best defense is that he was essentially a captive in Weldon's truck, wasn't a me. immediately angry at Weldon for putting him in that position. What's even more unbelievable is that Bradley was okay with that, to the point that he was revising the intent behind what was clearly a very raw and unfiltered

in the moment thought. Don't worry, though. It got even better on Cross. More on that, after a quick break. When it was Mark Tinsley's turn to question Bradley, Bradley's tone went from, I guess, earnest. Actually, I don't know how to characterize his tone with Mark. Martin, but I do know it wasn't the same when Mark took over. In so many ways, Bradley's testimony

was almost more defiant, arrogant, and unapologetic than Weldon's. For Mark's part, he got Bradley on the record, several times, confirming that he didn't do a single thing to stop Weldon from following, pursuing, chasing, whatever, Scott relentlessly and at high speeds. And there was a reason for that. Mr. Martin asked you, did you do anything to encourage him? is at no point did you tell Weldon to stop, did you? There was nothing to tell him to stop doing. That's right, because you were in full agreement with what he was doing. Call him the police, yes.

You were in full agreement with the way he was pursuing and the pursuit that you all made. He called the police. Uh, nice try, Bradley. But since you just basically said that you were in full agreement with Weldon, you gave Mark, the tiger, the opportunity. to underscore your evasiveness by playing this excerpt from your February 2025 deposition with him. Well, from stopping before knowing the councilorred?

Not, but. Were you in full agreement with the idea to pursue Scott's body? To follow him? Yes. You didn't voice any objection because you didn't have one. Is that fair? I didn't see anything wrong. as far as the line was done.

Then Bradley said three things that really floored us. First, he used a classic sibling argument of, why should I have to? Why doesn't he have to? There was nothing that kept Weldon from stopping before you all turned on the Camp Swamp Road, right? Nothing. There's nothing in this entire encounter with our thousand data points. It's about a thousand points.

At any point in time, you all, couldn't stop because you had his license plate from jump right at the very beginning why should we have to stop well that's right because y'all are heroes from chasing this bad guy down right okay why did he stop well I assume he stopped because of this white mysterious white truck you all say he's engaged in but but the reality is is that he was being chased by two people with their guns out remember guns were up Two people chased you with guns out for an extended period of time.

You believe you have a right to defend yourself, don't you? Uh, why should Weldon and Bradley have to stop? Because they had already called the police and reported Scott's license plate number. Why is this so hard for people in Loris to understand? Next, Bradley accidentally admitted to how fast they were actually going. said to Mr. Martin in the slow down, slow down, slow down part was that you were telling well

in the slow down because you didn't want to be close to Scott Spivey's vehicle and at that point he was getting close to Scott's vehicle, correct? That was also around the time when Spivey was tapping his brakes, yeah. Yeah, it was right after

the 113 mile an hour stretch, right? I believe that would be before. I'm not sure. Uh, oopsie, right? If something happened before, the 113 mile per hour stretch, that means that there was a 113 mile per hour stretch, which the defense team had spent the better part of three days trying to downplay, despite the data from Scott's phone clearly showing how fast he was going when they were following him. And third, Bradley made

sure the judge knew how boring he found this entire hearing. Now, you had Weldon used messenger to communicate, correct? Yes, sir. And you saw Mr. Boyd testify in his deposition that he did not tell you to delete any Facebook messages, right? I didn't see that. You were sitting at the table, and I was about fall asleep. Okay.

He did ask you to delete Facebook messages, right? He did. And based on his instruction, you did that, correct? I did. Bradley was so intent on not being cooperative that he wouldn't even admit to hearing Weldon's testimony from the day before when Weldon admitted that he had instructed Bradley to delete Facebook messages between the two of them. Even though Bradley was also admitting in that same moment that he had done it. It is wild. Watching Weldon and Bradley testify was like seeing someone continuously walk into a window insisting it's a door.

No matter how battered their faces are from bumping into the window that isn't a door, they refused to admit that their way isn't the best. And their way led to Bradley, instead of just saying, I don't remember what Weldon said specifically, and leaving it at that, admitting to being bored by the testimony, which is unfortunate because Mark Tinsley had receipts for everything. In response to Bradley's bizarre defiance, Mark played a call from Weldon to his parents

that was made before he instructed Bradley to delete their message. in which Weldon describes a Facebook message that he had sent to Bradley, congratulating him for getting in the fight and staying in the fight, telling Bradley that he was a warrior. Even after hearing that call, Bradley was still intent on telling the court that there was nothing in those messages that would have interested the police, which is why they deleted them. So Mark continued to show the court that there were texts that would be considered evidence that Weldon referenced in his calls with Bradley and that those texts simply don't exist anymore. Mark then played the full conversation in which Weldon told Bradley to delete the

messages and recited what the official story was going to be regarding the upper and lower that was in the back of Weldon's truck, aka the machine gun Weldon was worried about. The one that Weldon, in his testimony the day before, had referred to as a paperweight and inoperable. After Mark was done playing the infamous call that we've played for you before in several episodes, Bradley still denied that they deleted the messages because they contained incriminating information. And here's what happens. You knew that the family wanted those phones, were trying to get this information, because he told you that, correct?

He just said to delete the Facebook Convo because he didn't want the information that he sent prior before the sentence of that, he didn't want any of that leaked out. I think we all heard the conversation. So Mark continued to chip away at Bradley's credibility, and Bradley continued to help him with that. Mark then played a call in which Weldon told Bradley that a new witness had come forward, who said that she saw them shoot first. Instead of saying, well, that didn't happen, Bradley's response was, oh God. And to ask Weldon, what would be put in the police report?

Then came this moment. You were relying on welding through the police to handle this, right? Well, well, they would call me, I'll answer the phone and we would have chatted. You know that if this had happened somewhere else in a different agency, it would have been a different result, don't you? I'm sorry? Obviously, he can't know that. Well, hold on just a second now. I'm sorry, I didn't hear his answer.

I didn't need it. I don't think that's fair question. I think that's a fair question. He's from McKinney. Yes, sir. Give me one second. Go to 108, 17 through 109. It's five.

A lot of my friends worked for us. We definitely did. Because had this been reversed, had we been in Brunswick County? Or, yeah, had we been in his county where he lives? Bruce would have been on it. You do believe so. It's been difficult, right?

It's difficult regardless. That was September the 12th, 2000, 23 at 7.51 p.m. And you didn't think anybody was listening. I had no idea that was being recorded. That's right. By the way, if you're ever answering a question that Mark Tensley has asked you, and he responds, that's right, after your answer, you probably should change your name and leave the country.

I don't know what you did, but you just told on yourself. After that came a big reveal, bigger than Bradley revealing that he wasn't aware Weldon was recording his calls, and yet he's still up there presenting a unified front with him. Turns out Bradley didn't, uh, couldn't, really see Scott from where he was positioned in Weldon's truck. To compensate for that,

to be able to answer the question of how you could see anything from where you were sitting, and how the trucks were positioned, Bradley told Mark in his deposition that Scott was in the other lane of traffic, meaning over the yellow line in the road. Yes, but as the rest, he's mouthing off, and then that's the way goes to rack and slide to them, when he comes about to point back at us, he's making his way back towards the edge of his truck. There's a... You didn't know about Frank McFurtero when you said that, didn't. I never saw Frank. I remember.

That's right. You agree with me that all that in the oncoming lane can't happen if there's a truck driving in that oncoming lane. Object to the moment of question mistakes, the facts in the record. Murrow said he is driven by, and there's 75 yards between the vehicles. I heard Mr. Mark. Refrage question. I think the court understands the point. By the way, that is another line of marks that should prompt you to change your name and leave the country if he says it. finished Bradley off by trapping him firmly in the law because Bradley can't just say I was a

passenger and therefore had no choice but to shoot back at Scott without proving that he was against the action at the time. And unfortunately for Bradley, every opportunity he had on the stand to do that, to show that he was opposed to what Weldon was doing on Highway 9, speeding, keeping up with Scott, Bradley blew. He blew every single opportunity, right down to denying the meaning behind the one statement that likely could have saved Bradley from liability. Why couldn't you just leave him alone, Weldon? But no, Bradley chose Weldon over himself. And Mark made sure to highlight that.

I think that's what to understand the point. William, at no time did you tell, well, the boy, he'll stop. No, I did not. No time did you tell him not to turn on the Camp Swamp Road when you saw him stopping, Scott's Bobby stopping on Camp Swamp Road. I never told Lutem to stop. Okay. No time when you get to the

apron, the beginning of Camp Swamp Road, where it meets nine, you don't dispute that you could see the truck clearly at least before you make the turn, right? I didn't see his truck until we came up to Camp Swamp as we're making that pair. And at that point, you don't tell Weldon

to stop. Right. You never tell Weldon let me ask. truck. I'm not getting out of that truck when the man's outside of the

truck with a gun at. Before that. Before what? I'm sorry. You never told him at any point time.

Stop. I don't want to be in this scary situation that's now going on for miles. Let me out. Well,

towards the after the initial problems we had was fighting, once him and the other white truck were engaged

with each other we were further back. At that point, I'm sitting here thinking we're about to see an episode of cops. That's what we wanted. We wanted the police to come against Fabiole. So you all were going to chase him to the police got there.

We followed them while on the phone and now on one. In excess of speed limit. I don't know how fast we were on. But you agree, you testified in excess of the speed limit. I'm sure we were. Yeah. Sol question to happen.

Judge Griffiths said, that he needed two weeks to think about whether he should grant Bradley Williams' immunity, saying that he wasn't quite sure what to do in the situation based on Bradley's passenger ship in the truck and Bradley telling Weldon to back up, back up, back up. But we don't see how Judge Griffith can rule in Bradley's favor. Bradley doesn't see anything wrong with what they did. Bradley is still sticking to Weldon's dishonest script, even though he sounds absolutely pathetic doing so. And it's simple math. If Bradley endorses Weldon's version, then Weldon's version is Bradley's version, and the judge has already said he doesn't believe Weldon's version.

On March 6, Mark Tinsley and Morgan Martin will have till noon to present the judge with proposed orders. Mark will write the order denying Weldon immunity and a draft order denying Bradley immunity, and Morgan will write a draft order granting Bradley immunity, and then the judge will hand down his decision. If Bradley wants to carry water for Weldon, then we say, let him do that because Bradley didn't tell Weldon to stop or to slow down or to simply just chill. And because he has continued to endorse Weldon's dishonest narrative of how this happened, it means that Bradley could have accomplice liability in this case, aka the hand of one is the hand of all.

I want to say this for the whiny Weldon supporters in the back following, aka chasing a person in your truck while going way above the speed limit to do so, and while telling a dispatcher that you plan to kill this person, if this person shows you his gun again, which is something that he can only do, if you are in his presence, hence the speeding is not in action one takes for safety's sake. And Bradley, though he's made very stupid legal decisions for himself,

isn't so dumb that he couldn't see this. He knew Weldon had chased God and had made things worse, and the reason we know he knew? I got to be done. Why could we fucking leave him alone? More on that after a quick commercial break, and we'll be right back. So now let's talk about perhaps the biggest question. After Will Bradley get immunity?

What is Mr. Triple-down Attorney General, who was so vocal about how Weldon and Bradley would get immunity, and that's why he couldn't charge them in Scott's death? What did he have to say about how wrong he really was? On Monday, Luna Shark journalist Beth Braden reached out to Attorney General Alan Wilson's office for official comment on the Spivey Stand Your Ground hearing. Wilson spokesperson Robert Kittle said, quote, we cannot comment on any investigation that may be ongoing, which is hilarious because Alan Wilson's office has commented on this case

a number of times as the investigation was in fact ongoing. This was just the first time that he had the opportunity to earn an ounce of integrity and admit that a judge said that his office was wrong. But alas, he did not do that. And speaking of Allen's office being very wrong about this, so wrong to the point that one would wonder if some kind of good old boy frickery was afoot, I want to go back to the April 2024 meeting when prosecutor Heather Wise sat down with the Spivey family to explain why the Attorney General's office wasn't going to be prosecuting Weldon Boyd or Bradley Williams.

She made several false claims about the scenario on Highway 9 and events leading up to the shooting, heavily relying on Weldon and Bradley's account, which is really interesting, now that a judge said that Weldon is not credible. And remember how Heather said that she couldn't charge Weldon or Bradley because essentially they might argue that the shooting was justified by standard ground law

and that Weldon was following Scott for almost 10 miles before pulling over behind him, that was justified by citizen's arrest law. There's a couple of different theories under which, you know, I felt like this case, there was nothing to go forward on on this case. And one is in South Carolina, we still recognize a citizen's arrest, right, for a citizen's arrest. And if you see a felony occur, you have the right. to arrest that person as a citizen and use reasonable force to do so. So keeping that in mind, kind of back your mind.

I'm not saying that Weldon Boyd said that that's what he was going to do. I'm not putting that out there. I'm just saying as a lawyer, I'm evaluating that because that is part of our law. The other part of it is that we have a stand-your-ground law in our state as well. and the stand-your-ground law is something that has really changed even in my time in prosecuting. So I've been prosecuting for right at 25 years now. And even in those 25 years, it's changed how we approach cases, has changed how we prosecute cases, and it's changed the trajectory of a lot of cases that we're handled one way 20 years ago,

and we have to handle them differently now because of this law. And what the law says is that you have a right to be in any place that you, legally have a right to be that that includes in your car and includes in your car on a public road so the so the idea that the car the shooting car was you know in a public place where they had a right to be there's no duty to retreat can't bring upon the harm yourself but what we have is prior to the gunfire exchange, you have not only the statements of the people in the car, you also have the fact they were on the phone with 911, so you have that kind of ongoing description of what's

happening, and you have the 911 calls of the other people who were observing things, and then the statements of the people who actually pulled off were there as well. So you have their statements as well. So what we know is that Scott was pointing the gun, running, driving erratically, and running at least the car, the truck with the trailer off the road. So, you know, the fact that Walden Boyd followed him when he pulled off on Camp Swap Road, he was still in a place he had a legal right to be. And when the cars stopped, as you know, neither of the shooters got out of their vehicle. Scott got out of his vehicle and walked the back and said,

stop following me. But he had his gun and then he pointed his gun at the car. At that point, what our law says is if you're in reasonable fear of your life or safety, that you can respond with reasonable response. Yes, y'all. The Attorney General's office did the mental backflips in this case to attempt to justify Weldon and Bradley's actions with both Stand Your Ground and Citizens' Arrest Laws. Because apparently, retrospectively, maybe Allen Wilson's office always knew that this could not be covered with Just Stand Your Ground. It's really important to play that clip now when we think

how we got here. Who dropped the ball? Why is it taking so much from the spivies and from Mark Tinsley to get one ounce of justice for Scott in this case? Alan Wilson's office. was given the Spivey case when Jimmy Richardson's office recused itself. Alan Wilson's office should have been thoroughly investigating the files just like we did and caught exactly what we caught, like Vaskovey making a sign for Weldon that said act like a victim camera, or the Orie County police officer who completely misrepresented what witness number two, aka Frank, said about what he saw on Camp Swamp Road. If Alan Wilson's office did their jobs in this case, they would have heard Weldon Boyd's horrific phone calls in the hours after the shooting,

where Deputy Police Chief Brandon Strickland assured Weldon he was working in the shadows on his behalf, and he would specifically send a good old boy, aka Detective Alan Jones, to make sure that the investigation was going in Weldon's favor. They would have asked the same questions we asked. Uh, were the drugs planned? in Scott's car? Why did the police tow Scott's body in such an inhumane way? If Alan Wilson's office did their jobs in this case, they would have interviewed Weldon and Bradley and heard for themselves that these two men never intended on using citizens' arrests that day on Camp Swamp Road. So an entire half of their argument for not prosecuting was bunk. If they bothered to look, they would have seen evidence.

of both crime and corruption taking place in the Scott Spivey investigation. But they didn't, which leads us to believe either Alan Wilson's office is highly inefficient and incapable of handling complex investigations, or perhaps they purposely did not look for what they didn't want to find. Like, it looked to us as if this investigation and this explanation by the Attorney General's office was so bad that maybe has been. Heather Weiss was motivated to close this case with no charges. It's really the only theory that makes sense now that we know what we know. That perhaps Heather faced political pressure to close the case and not ask inconvenient questions

because her boss, Alan Wilson, is running a governor campaign after all, and he can't be risking pissing off one of the biggest police departments in South Carolina. be real here. Heather Weiss, closing this case in April 2024, was not just relieving to Weldon and Bradley. If there was a cover-up in this case, which we believe that there was, then closing this case would have been a favor to a whole host of Ory County Police Officers. A few weeks after our three-episode series published, exposing the flaws in Heather Weiss's decision to not prosecute. Alan Wilson tripled down on his stance. in the case in August 2025, when he released a statement claiming that his office, quote,

continued to review all information and evidence provided by law enforcement, including eyewitness statements, toxicology reports, video evidence, and forensic analysis, and that their analysis remain the same, that Weldon and Bradley were protected from prosecution due to the stand-your-ground immunity law. That statement was met with a lot of backlash from South Carolina voters, who were simply confused by the attorney. General, and it made people ask the kinds of questions that Alan doesn't want them asking when he needs votes for governor. Like, why is this man ignoring evidence? Why can't he admit he was wrong? Did he do someone a political favor by ending this investigation? Finally, in October 2025,

the same month Alan was set to meet with the Spivey family, Alan Wilson finally wrote a letter asking for a special prosecutor, Barry Barnett, to be assigned to review the case, which is what the Spivey family had been asking for all along. One would think that Alan Wilson would have shut up about the case, while the case was not only very much active, but no longer his. And let the professionals handle it. But he didn't. Instead, he went on his cousin's podcast, political pulse, to basically declare his final position in the matter. What I can tell you is, at that roadside, had Mr. Spivey not been shot or had he been shot and survived, he would have been the one that charged with the felony. okay, for driving under the influence and also brandishing firearm.

Right. You know, Mr. Spivey was the initial aggressor who attempted to run off Mr. Boyd. I believe other people out there trying to run him off the road, brandish a firearm, pointed a firearm. We have, I think, nine, ten minutes of Mr. Boyd calling 911. We have other 911 calls of people who are strangers. None of these people know who Boyd and Spy v. They are all describing the same thing. So Alan Wilson wanted the world to know that he would have.

charged Scott if Scott lived, but not Bradley or Weldon. That feels like twisting a knife in Jennifer Spivey's back, right? To take it that far. And since he said that, while the investigation was ongoing, why can he comment now? After Judge Griffith, all but destroyed Allen's legal stance on this case. Now again, Judge Griffith did not conclude that Spivey was the aggressor in this situation. He included that Scott was acting foolish and that Weldon and Bradley should have stayed back and gotten away from him since they considered him a threat. Friday's ruling was the first major win in this case since Jennifer Spivey Foley first filed her lawsuit in 2024. Judge Bubba Griffith was the first official in the South Carolina legal system to tell the Spivey's

they were right. That ruling opened a big door for the the Spivey's pursuit of justice in this case. Had Judge Griffith said that Weldon and Bradley were protected, that would have likely ended both the civil and potential criminal cases against Bradley and Weldon. After the hearing on Friday, our videographer Eric Allen caught Mark Tensley outside to talk about his victory. Here is what he said. You know, we're very pleased with the judge's decision. I think it's clear what this family's been through. the way this family's been treated by politicians. It's said that with great power comes great responsibility,

and that ain't saying no and digging in and not looking because of arrogance, pride, political motivation. I subpoenaed the Attorney General's office to see what they had, and I tell you, this pile of stuff in front of me is a fraction of what they had, and they did not look at it. This is so patently clear from the word go that this was not stand your ground. It's travesty that we are here right now. And that this girl and this mother had to do this.

And they should be ashamed. Everyone involved should be ashamed. This has always been the judge's decision. The statute says it's the judge's decision. And you've got to ask yourselves, why are we here? And we hear why we're hearing all those phone calls. It shouldn't be this way. We want a better country, a better state, a better county, a better anything. You've got to stand up and you've got to do what's right. And that's what we've

done here today. And I am so thankful for this family. I am so proud of the people that helped us get here and there were a lot of them. Thank you. If we want to make things better, you've got to stand up and do what's right. So the work here continues. Until next time, tuned, stay pesky, and stay in the sunlight. True sunlight is a Luna Shark production created by me, Mandy Matney, co-hosted and reported by journalist Liz Farrell, research support provided by Beth Braden, audio production support provided by Jamie Hoffman and Grace Hills, case file management provided by Kate Thomas. Learn more about our mission and membership at LunaSharkmedia.com. Interruptions provided by

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