Murdaugh Murders Podcast - TSP #153 [Part Two] - “We All Look Like A Bag of Crap”: What One Brave Horry County Cop Revealed About The Spivey Investigation

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Starting point is 00:00:33 This is part two of episode 153 of Trees. True Sunlight, a podcast exposing crime and corruption, previously known as the Murdoch murders podcast. True Sunlight is a Luna Shark production, written with journalist Liz Farrell. Okay, so before we get back into the stunning ORI County Internal Affairs investigation files on the Scott Spivey case, we need to talk about something that happened on Thursday in the Beach v. Parker case. As you all know, Parker's gas station owner, Greg Parker, and his lawyers have appeared

Starting point is 00:01:07 hell-bent in the last several months on punishing me, a journalist, in any way possible. And that's my opinion, Debbie, and I have the right to say that. On Monday, I am being forced again to take off work and drive four hours across the state so I can defend myself in a civil contempt hearing from Greg Parker's attorneys. Why? Because I could not compel myself to walk into a situation that I believed was dangerous. I should not be considered willfully disobeying a court order by prioritizing my personal safety with reasonable precautions. Greg Parker's attorneys refused to depose me within Judge Kelly's allotted timeline at a place where we could reasonably make safe from a felon who threatened to appear at that

Starting point is 00:01:55 deposition location. In fact, I did sit for a deposition when finally they agreed to have it at a courthouse which was made safe by armed deputies and more private security that I had hired. But that wasn't enough for them. Now they want to hold me in contempt and force me to pay the astronomical amount that they have spent on legal fees on their little campaign to punish me in the last eight months. On Monday at 9 a.m. at the brand new Spartanburg County Courthouse, free parking in the garage, by the way, I will be fighting for my First Amendment rights as a journalist and my rights as a woman who deserves to feel safe in our legal system. And I hope you all join me and wear pink. So, after submitting our Rule 605 filming request to the judge and clerk,

Starting point is 00:02:44 as we always do, Judge Kelly's assistant said that we were able to broadcast the hearing live on Monday, so that, in our opinion, the whole world could see Greg Parker and his attorneys for exactly who they are and what they're doing. But unfortunately, on Thursday, Greg Parker's attorneys, Jim Bannister, and Deborah Barbier tried to stop us from doing. that because they think they look unflattering in our videos. Here's David with the details. This is David as David for a second. Before we get started, I want to read two emails that Judge R. Keith Kelly's assistant sent to Beth directly and then two emails that our attorneys shared with us originating from Parker's Council, Jim Bannister, and fast followed by Debbie Barbier,

Starting point is 00:03:37 to Judge R. Keith Kelly and his law clerk. First, this is what Judge Kelly's assistant, Christine Thomas, emailed to Beth at 10 a.m., Thursday, in regard to her query about our Rule 605 request to film the hearing Monday, because we follow Rule 605. Unlike Impact of Influence, who apparently records and publishes pictures of the WebEx and the felon who records and publishes maliciously edited versions of the WebEx. Good morning. The phone system is down. Judge Kelly will allow the recording in the courtroom. WebEx feed cannot be recorded per the Supreme Court ruling, and Christine emailed again at 1145 a.m.

Starting point is 00:04:27 to clarify in response to Beth's question about broadcasting from our camera inside the courtroom. Christine wrote, sorry for the delay. That's correct. It may also be broadcasted, just no recording of the WebEx feed. Thank you, Chris Thomas. So great news. Our cameraman will be there. We'll be broadcasting details to follow. Then Jim Bannister, who was the attorney who deposed Mandy at the Spartanburg County Courthouse in April, apparently emailed the judge and all counsel. That same criminal defense attorney famed for his unsuccessful defense and representation of Jerry Buck Inman, who raped and strangled a South Carolina college student in 2009, and Inman was sentenced to death. That guy said this to Judge Kelly and his clerk Anthony Sita at 1237 p.m. on Thursday, after we had received our confirmation about our ability to film and broadcast. Judge Kelly and Mr. Sita. We write in advance of Monday's hearing

Starting point is 00:05:36 to raise a concern about Luna Shark media's recording process for Monday's hearing. The attached picture comes from a post from David Moses, Ms. Matney's husband and the president of Luna Shark, the courtroom videographer subject to your order. The picture clearly captures a moment when court was not in session. Based on this post and other Lunarshark social media posts, it is clear. Lunas Shark media has been filming in the courtroom during off-the-record breaks.

Starting point is 00:06:14 In addition, it appears that defense counsel table is being vidi recorded during moments when they are not actively participating in the questioning of witnesses or offering objections. The recording of defense counsel's table appears to be specifically for the purpose of capturing counsel at inopportune moments to provide Lunashark media with unflattering pictures of defense counsel for posting on their platforms. We respectfully request that before the court grants any orders to Lunashark or allows any further recordings by Lunashark media, the court conduct a deep. detailed inquiry into Luna Shark's recording process. We will be prepared to address this issue before any testimony is taken at Monday's hearing based on the attached and the other documents to be produced. It is our position that Luna Shark has forfeited permission from the court to record the proceedings.

Starting point is 00:07:19 We understand that other media outlets may seek to the court's permission to broadcast Monday's hearing. Our request for an inquiry here relates solely to Luna Shark, we have not seen any violations related to other media outlets, respectfully submitted Jim Bannister. And apparently because she thought Jim's email didn't quite cut the mustard, Debbie Barbier fast followed with this at 105 p.m. Thursday. Judge Kelly and Mr. Sita, this is the other portion of the... post which is relevant to the recording during breaks. Thank you. Best regards. Deborah B. Barbier.

Starting point is 00:08:06 And this is David as David. I wonder what the B stands for. Hmm. Well, what follows is what Jim and Debbie sent to Judge Kelly in those two separate screenshots. It's what I posted last week as a comment responding to Seton Tucker and Matt Harris's comments on May, Andy's posts defending the First Amendment and highlighting the absurdity of all this. We linked it in the description so you can comment as well. I included a single frame snapshot of Matt Harris, former disc jockey or something, and now co-host of the Impact of Influence Podcasts, who apparently talks about whatever we talk about.

Starting point is 00:08:47 Shaking hands with Parker's General Counsel and defendant in the civil conspiracy case, Blake Greco, smiling from ear to ear, as Debbie appeared to compliment his bright blue and very much not pink, shiny suit jacket. The video we captured most certainly abides by the South Carolina Supreme Court's guidelines on Rule 605, as Harris is not a client of Debbie's or Blake's to our knowledge. Or is that what they're saying that he is? Hmm. But here's the mustard.

Starting point is 00:09:19 The courtroom is perhaps one of the most sacredly public places in our entire society. As much as they apparently want secret courts to do whatever it is they think they are doing in this case and trying their best to silence our voice, your voice, and anyone who doesn't agree with them, the courtroom is a public place without the expectation of privacy. And recording moments during breaks, before all rise and after we're all done, is certainly pertinent to public interest when a lawyer who, in my opinion, has an outrageous vendetta against Mandy and the Truth, Harleys with a podcaster who defames us on a regular basis as part of their shtick, and a podcast who hosts the felon who terrified us on March 27th's attempted deposition

Starting point is 00:10:14 on their show as a guest to sell a trashy book about Stephen Smith's Unsolved Homicide. Anywho, this is my comment and we'll let you decide if you think we should be kicked out of the courtroom because of it. Impact of influence! It's not your fault that you don't know what a journalist is because it seems to me from research into you both. Neither of you have been educated on the value, ethics, and principles of how journalism can effectively enhance society. Journalism and the tenants of the First Amendment help bolster voices combating nefarious forces that wield money and power to pervert justice for all. But your reputation and any suffering born from it are entirely your own doing. And honestly, without Mandy Matney and Liz Farrell, guiding our mission, we would not enjoy the credibility and popularity we currently do.

Starting point is 00:11:16 It is your fault that you continue to consort with people lacking in moral character in order to perpetuate fictions they desire amplified. If someone says it's raining and another person says it's dry, it's not a journalist's job to quote them both. It's a journalist's job to look out the window and find out which is true. It's the finding out part that would have led anyone with limited research abilities to discover the credibility issues with the felon and team Parker. Listening to a source and publishing that source's claims to amplify them are wildly different. Here's another photo worth a thousand words. You look pretty giddy to shake the hand of civil defendant Blake Greco and seemed to love

Starting point is 00:12:07 Debbie complimenting your shiny blue suit. the video and audio is pretty great too which will publish soon, meaning the video and audio from the hearing in which we are defending the First Amendment and a woman's right to protect her personal safety from people who have stated purposes to harm her in various ways. We look forward to Monday, regardless of the outcome of this nonsensical pursuit, and believe it absurd that Team Parker wants to oust the only media outlet whose mission it is to expose the truth wherever it leads, give voice to victims, and get the story straight. You cannot invent new, uncodified facets of South Carolina's Rule 605 to bar media outlets that are counter to your media mission, to your PR.

Starting point is 00:13:12 mission to protect your own reputations. It is absurd, it is obscene, and we hope that everyone in that courtroom on Monday gets to see the law and the facts on the side of truth. In part one of this week's episode, we told you about the beef Ori County Attorney, Bert the Blurt von Herman, has been trying to start with us for over a year, most recently topping his online unprofessionalism by posting a rant about me, calling me a hippo non-journalist, and piece of shit. All four, well, I'm not actually sure who he's doing this for. His rants definitely do not help his client. Former Ory County Police Deputy Chief Brandon Strickland overcome the fear of being seen as a dirty cop. As you heard in part one, Bert the Blurt

Starting point is 00:14:08 has insisted that his client did not do anything illegal or unethical in Ory County Police Department's investigation into the September 23 killing of 33-year-old Scott's bivy by North Myrtle Beach restaurant owner Weldon Boyd and Weldon's friend Bradley Williams. As you know, neither Weldon nor Bradley were charged in Scott's death, nor were they, in our opinions and beyond, really investigated. And it is only because of the loving and steadfast resolve of Scott's sister, Jennifer Spybee Foley, that this case is getting another look. Or actually, let's just call it what it is, a first look. In February, Weldon and Bradley pleaded their cases, claiming they killed Scott in self-defense.

Starting point is 00:14:56 But Judge Eugene Bubba Griffith saw through the nonsense and denied both men stand-your-ground immunity in both the civil wrongful death case and any. potential criminal case that might be coming their way, which is unsurprising to everyone except for the people unwilling to look at the facts or at the mountain of anomalies in the so-called investigation that ORI County Police and Sled did into Spivey's killing. More on that after a quick break, and we'll be right back. This spring, denim gets a softer, lighter update. Introducing Old Navy's drapey denim wide leg, a new fit that moves with you. It's everything you want denim to feel like for summer. Easy, breathable, and effortlessly

Starting point is 00:15:45 cool. With a fit that creates natural movement and a wide leg that feels modern, not overwhelming. Plus, that signature, wait, for this price, moment. Old Navy's drapey denim wide leg. In our last episode, we told you about Brandon Strickland's statement. The one where he said the 10 recorded phone calls in which he tells Weldon that he sent the right people to the scene and was working in the shadows for him were not evidence of interfering in a possible murder investigation, but rather evidence of him being a good friend, trying to, quote-unquote, ease the boy's mind, the boy being Weldon, who has almost 20 years of experience being an adult man. In his final statement, Brandon Strickland repeatedly told Chief Chris Leonhard and IA investigators

Starting point is 00:16:35 that, though these calls are not great for optics, not the optics, he wanted to stress that he didn't interfere in the case at all. He didn't sit at meetings, he didn't direct the outcome of the case, despite what it might sound like. In fact, before the investigation into the investigation was released, Bert the Blurt, von Herman, repeatedly told the press that his client, Brandon, was a victim of being pushed out of Ory County simply for being an exaggerator. Brandon was overstating his power in the matter, Blurt said, never mind that.

Starting point is 00:17:09 Brandon had actual power in the situation. Also, it's hard to trust Brandon Strickland's word in this because, despite his insistence that he did nothing wrong and didn't interfere in the case, we found lots of instances in which his employees told IA the ways that he did. His presence in the case and the actions, words, and attitudes of his immediate underlings, plus all the anomalies in the investigation tell the full story in our opinions. In the last episode, we shared three accounts of Brandon Strickland's influence on the case. Today, we want to talk about a fourth.

Starting point is 00:17:45 That of CSI investigator, Shell Neil Tamasi, who you already know. Tamasi was in charge of doing an inventory on Scott's Bivey's truck and Scott's body, the Night of the Killing, and an inventory of Weldon's truck and trailer the next day. Her notes were meticulous, and if you can tell anything about anyone from their note-taking skills alone. Without knowing anything else about Tamasi, we could tell this was a by the books officer. Prior to the stand-your-ground hearing in February, Spivey Foley's legal team filed depositions in the case, including one from Tamasi, in which she indicated that she was instructed by either lead investigator Alan Jones or her supervisor, Sergeant Matt Stevenson, to search the hidden

Starting point is 00:18:26 back compartment of Scott's back seat, where she found the infamous bag of blue pills. During the hearing, she testified that Alan Jones directed her to give Bradley Williams rucksack back to him before it was inventoried and turned into evidence. Also, she said, Alan specifically told her not to take the tablet mounted on Weldon's dashboard, the tablet that he is suspected of recording his killing of Scott on, which he denies. With Alan, friends with Weldon Boyd? No, not that we know of anyway, but his boss sure was. On June 18, 2025, I-A. Investigator sat with Shelneal Tamas. to get her perspective on what went down during the investigation. She was one of two, we believe, in the dozens of interviews IA conducted in June, July, and November.

Starting point is 00:19:12 Stick a pin in that for another episode, by the way. Who brought her notes and reports with her to the meeting. Merrill Hawkins, the evidence technician on the case, was the other person we heard referring to her actual notes. Most everyone else, the ones suspected of seeing, hearing, or knowing something I mean, seemed to rely on the old deposition classics of, I don't know, and I don't remember. member and very firm knows when it came to questions about whether Brandon interfered in the case in any way. I don't know about you, but I trust the people who document things. So let's take a listen to Shal Neal Tamasi, who describes what she saw when she got to Camp Swamp Road on September 9,

Starting point is 00:19:48 and first spoke to Lieutenant Damon Viscovy, who updated her on the situation. He pretty much told me there was some type of incident going on on Highway 9, possible road rage incident ended here at this road. with a shooting with a deceased male inside the truck. I was also told apparently that one of the shooters' lawyers was on scene. Um, I don't recall at the time I did not know who his lawyer was, of course, now we know. Um, but there was a gentleman standing by a truck in the media, and he was just kind of standing and they kind of said, you know, he's over there, not like pointing directly at him, but hey, he's over there, I just kind of look, like, whatever. Doesn't matter to me. I'm still gonna handle my business. He's out here in the crime scene. I don't care who's here.

Starting point is 00:20:33 I don't need to talk to them. What's interesting about that is her mention of Weldon's attorney, Ken Moss, who, for some reason, was allowed on the scene. It's interesting because why point out the attorney to the CSI investigator, right? Unless his presence there was something to watch out for, to be aware of, which, though Tamasi says it doesn't influence her. She said she did her job the way she does her job. This is another anomaly.

Starting point is 00:21:04 Weldon wasn't under arrest and no one, believe me, no one from Ory County Police was trying to interview him, not even during the interview. The IA investigator asked Shelneal about the decision to move the truck from the scene with Scott's body in his truck, because that decision, despite what Strickland and his allies might say, was an anomaly. there was no actual need to move the trucks and therefore jostle and move evidence before it was collected. So take the overall photos, interior, exterior,

Starting point is 00:21:42 then I'm starting to think. Like you could see off in the sky, there's lightning and whatnot going on. The clouds are darker over there, and I'm sitting there thinking like, hey, I think I told Matt, hey, you know, maybe you can see if Dunin can get the tents and do you have your strewn light, which is the big, tall, pole light. I have one, everyone should have. We're going to need all these lights.

Starting point is 00:21:59 Because it's going to get dark. Camp Swamp Road does not have street lights and it's going to rain And he says no don't worry about it. We're gonna tow the truck We're gonna tow the truck? Yeah with him in it? Yeah Okay I had never done anything like that before I didn't I didn't like it Mm-hmm um I don't know who what type of discussion had to be made and who had to give permission for that that. I'm not sitting here trying to pass the buck, but that's what my sergeant told me we were going to do. Hey, show the weather's going to be bad. We can't process him out on the road.

Starting point is 00:22:37 Would that be an unusual practice, did you say? For what? So, situations, yeah. I've never had that in my, in my opinion, it's already two years that I've been with CSI. I've never done that before. And you went to the same to where people were in the vehicles and processed on the scene. Yes. How about weather during your processing? on this type of scenes.

Starting point is 00:23:01 Weather? I mean, what... So there was indications that it could be a possible storm. Yes, I mean, you could see, there was, there was like some clouds coming in, and you could see thunder on that side of, like, Camp Swampy's here, here's Highway now. There's like a big open field over there,

Starting point is 00:23:17 and you could see some of the weather. But we've been out in the rain before. That's why we had big tents. I mean, I'm not trying to be cold or callous, but he's deceased. He's not going anywhere. Why can't he just get the tents? I don't want to work him right.

Starting point is 00:23:34 Yeah, it sucks, but we've done it. That's why when he said, we'll transport the body. That's what? But he's a supervisor. Well, that decision was made above you, right? Yes, I did not make, no, sir. I was instructed by my sergeant that we would be towing the vehicle with him in tow. We're going to talk more about the decision to move Scott in his truck in another episode,

Starting point is 00:23:57 so stick a pin in that. This is yet another anomaly, a big one. In how this case was handled, Shal Neal only had two years of CSI experience at that point, and even she knew it was unusual. We've spoken to many people with knowledge of crime scene investigations and people who have knowledge of Worry County police practices, and they all concurred that this wasn't just odd.

Starting point is 00:24:20 It was grotesquely odd. And the Rai County police officers who try to say, yeah, this isn't common, but it's definitely something we've done before, seemed to only be able to cite one case in which that happened, and we have questions about that decision too. Also, this is vindication. From the very beginning, we have questioned why they didn't use tents, and it turns out even their own CSI investigator was wondering the same thing.

Starting point is 00:24:46 Here's more vindication. Moving the trucks before CSI could inventory the evidence on the scene, even without Scott's body, was a bad idea. When Matt Stevenson went to get the white truck off the impound, the bed, the tray that slides it down. He couldn't get it off, so somehow he engaged the gears and get it off, and then there was an issue with the toe ball hitch. It kept hitting the ground, hitting the ground.

Starting point is 00:25:11 It was digging into the pavement. So me and toene we put gloves on, and we had to take the toe ball hitch off of Weldon's truck so he can get it off the flat bed and put it into the parking spot. Like we said, the evidence, no doubt, got needlessly moved around. around and jostled, giving immediate ammo to the defense in any future criminal case. And speaking of weapons. Okay. All the suppressors and gun type stuff that I found, yes, I did collect those out of the vehicle.

Starting point is 00:25:44 Okay. Did you put them evidence? I brought them in, yes. They were put into evidence on. Tipped, they all of them, any of the guns, they were all done with touch DNA, which is the process due to night. And they have to be processed for touch DNA. supposed to be test fire, things of that nature.

Starting point is 00:26:02 I did send an email requesting that they could be these such items would have been, these such items need to be test fire. Brandon Strickland did come back into the CSI lab and wanting to know what was going on with the guns. Is that normal for them to... No. No. Okay.

Starting point is 00:26:21 Asking questions about things. When are we returning things? Things of that nature. I went about my duties. and still did what I was supposed to be. Did he make any direction to you as to what they did with him? He just wanted to know if we were almost done with the guns. He didn't say anything like,

Starting point is 00:26:38 like, hey, can you do this with this piece of evidence or anything like that? No, sir. He didn't ask him to manipulate anything? No. As far as he felt was illegal or immoral? No, sir. I don't like Brandon, I never have, and I would never do so.

Starting point is 00:26:55 That was in my opinion. Very unusual friendly. come back there and inquire about a CSI? There was, I'm not sure where you're at this investigation, but there are some things that were odd to me. Feel free to share that. I think it was the day or the day after we had a round, what they call a round table with people.

Starting point is 00:27:19 I know that's why I got this card from that's attached to my boat. When I was in the hallway, Matt Stevenson was in the hallway with me and said, hey, you know Brian and Strickland. I said, you know he knows him. I think he talked to him the night before. And I had said, well, what the fuck? You even tell somebody that? Like, there's an issue.

Starting point is 00:27:40 That's a conflict. Like, yeah, I guess well. He said, well, and came up here and talked to Brian. Like, but that's a fucking issue. The roundtable meeting was odd. Daniel Spencer was in her roundtable. Detective Hennessy was with me. because when we were done with the Roundtable, we both said to ourselves, why in the hell is he healed?

Starting point is 00:28:03 He's a U.S. ownership. We still looking for somebody? What does this business have to do with him? Everybody was really rushed, rush on wanting to wrap this thing up as a stand-jured-ground. It was always, this is a case. This is a stand-your-ground, this is a stand-your-ground. This is a stand-your-ground. I walked out of the meeting. and interviews and things of that nature and angry date. It was almost like Alan wanted this thing to be done quickly.

Starting point is 00:28:40 So again, Brandon Strickland, who says he didn't interfere in any way in the investigation, clearly inserted himself in the process to help Weldon. And again, Brandon was the boss, the big guy in charge of the criminal investigations division. When your boss asks questions,

Starting point is 00:28:59 when he shows any amount of interest in something when you know he's friends with the subject and question, it means something. His mere presence. Him asking any sort of question at all means something. Shall Neal notice this? The guy who wasn't typically at their roundtables but suddenly showed up on the Monday after the shooting, several separate sources have told us that he and Brandon Strickland are tight and that Daniel is also friends with Weldon Boyd and someone who checked up on Weldon afterward.

Starting point is 00:29:28 Was Daniel Spencer acting as eyes and ears for Brandon? Walton? Hmm. We'll be right back. Staples Preferred Business Membership, built for busy business owners, because you've got bigger things to think about. With Staples Preferred,

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Starting point is 00:30:08 Let's go back to Shal Neal's interview. But it did strike me as odd that they were so quick to say, you know, hey, this is self-defense, and, oh my God, she keeps calling, she's not going to let this go. They just need to hurry up and let this go. Presumably, Shal Neal is referring to Scott's sister,

Starting point is 00:30:28 Jennifer, here, the she who wasn't going to let things go. Remember what we said in part one of this episode. The good old boys are used to denying wrongdoing and denying it loudly and then waiting for the pesky ones to go away. Look at how they were panicked over Jennifer not giving up on her brother. And this is where things got real interesting in Shalneal's interview. Oh, man, it was a big thing about these blue pills.

Starting point is 00:30:58 Big thing about these blue pills. Blue pills. Shelneal explained to the investigators that when they process a vehicle, they do it methodically and in the same order every single time. Though she doesn't say that Alan Jones or her supervisor, Sergeant Matt Stevenson, preempted her methodical search to direct her to the compartment in the back of Scott's truck. She did say that she'd never seen a compartment like that before. In a deposition about this earlier this year, Shelneal testified that it was either Alan or Matt who directed her to search the compartment where she found the pills. So of course those were collected. And it was immediately when Alan Jones was out there.

Starting point is 00:31:38 It was like, well, you know, he said you use steroids and probably steroids. At first when I saw there were blue pills, I'm a lady, you know, what jokes we make about men with group pills. I said, well, maybe they're like, you know, like Viagra or like, you know, some blue leg stuff, some male enhancement. I don't know, but, you know, whatever. Well, I'll go ahead and collect them. We'll put him out, put him into a best kit, and we'll have them testing, and we'll have your answers. But he was real big of that about those being,

Starting point is 00:32:07 must have probably steroids. He said he was using steroids, blah, blah, blah, blah. I found it odd. The reason why I find it odd is because I'm the one that processed Scott's body. He looked like an average regular dude. Like, he wasn't no big dude. He wasn't muscular. He wasn't, I'm not trying to be rude, but he wasn't like in a phenomenal shave.

Starting point is 00:32:27 I mean, it wasn't in bad shape, but he was just a regular dude. Like we've been saying, the morning after the shooting is when Brandon Strickland told Weldon that Scott must have been a big old dude and possibly raging because of steroids. Weldon took that nugget and ran with it. I hate to say this, but it's another thing that we have to stick a pin in for a future episode on the story of the pills and why ORI County Police are accused of planning evidence in Scott's vehicle. Investigators also asked Shal Neal about SLED and why ORI County police called back the weapons to get back to Weldon and Bradley before they could be tested. Self-defense or not. We still need to verify that these weapons that we have are in the weapons.

Starting point is 00:33:13 We need to know who shot what, and what if? We still need to cross our teeth and dot our eyes. It don't matter if it's justified or not. I would believe that we still need to check all the boxes and do everything exactly the way that it is. because what if something was manipulators? What if something was taken? We want to say it's this kind of, let's just treat it like a homicide. Yeah, treat it like what it is. Yes, Shal Neal. Treat it like what it is.

Starting point is 00:33:41 It is so refreshing to hear a law enforcement officer speaking the truth. At the end of this interview, the IA investigators did the first and only smart thing we heard in their entire questioning of these officers. They asked Shal Neal Tamasi if she had anything else to ask, No, sir, just, I mean, just, I mean, it's up of my opinion. I'm just absolutely disgusting. But this is what we, this is what we come to, and this is what, this is all the mishaps and everything that was going on. And it's absolutely disgusting to see it all over the internet and we all look like a bag of crack because of it.

Starting point is 00:34:13 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So in this case here, what do you think, as far as investigative or processing-wise, do you think that we failed to do? Well, if anything? If anything? Mm-hmm. What, the guns should have been tested. I don't know why we were so quick to wonder, why we just returned them.

Starting point is 00:34:36 That's just how business is supposed to be done. Not testing them, it didn't look right. It's not a good look. It looks like we're shady. It looks like we're suspicious. Whether we are or we aren't, that's what the hell the public's going to look at it. Like the gun should have been tested. We still should have crossed our teeth, dotted our eyes,

Starting point is 00:34:53 and did it the way that we always do it. always do it, run through the whole thing. In my opinion, I don't like how everything is so rough to self-defense, self-defense, self-defense. This thing was chalked up in an email in the same night as being a case of self-defense, and I haven't even processed both the vehicles. So how are we coming to this conclusion so soon? You know, the castle doctrine is made for, you know, you can stand your ground, the only person's side that we got was the person who was still alive.

Starting point is 00:35:28 People's recollection could be off, witnesses that were there. How many sleep cycles have we given these people before? We held so much weight to their statements. And I think, in my opinion, I think that's why there's, you know, some of the things that were done, like things not tested, things returned, because we were so quick to rush through this and chalked this up as a case of self-defense. Okay. Do you know

Starting point is 00:35:52 if anybody was pushing to make it a case of self-defense right off the get-go? No. All I know is whatever. That's what Alan told me. This is looking like a case of self-defense. The road rage incident. At the time, when I was on the scene

Starting point is 00:36:08 and they vaguely briefed me on what was happening, it did seem like, according to the information that I was told that, hey, Scott was driving down the road. being erratic, running people off the road, showing people his gun. Okay, I see an issue there. It's had some problem. But then as it started to evolve, when I was in the round table, and they started to play the 911 calls.

Starting point is 00:36:30 And the 911 calls, you can hear where now Weldon's behind him, and he's following him, chasing him. That would be the verbiage I would use. Then I started to see things differently. Like, just because your bad guy up here doesn't mean that, you know, those tables can't turn. She looked at the evidence and started to see things differently. Imagine that.

Starting point is 00:36:55 We talk a lot about how horrible Ori County Police Department is because, a duh, the evidence of that is astounding. And it's rare that we have a chance to say something nice about them, but damn, Sheldale Tamasi seems like a good cop. At least from everything we've seen in her work, heard in her testimony, and now listen to in her interview here. She's telling the IA investigators where the corruption is. They decided at the scene, mere minutes after getting there,

Starting point is 00:37:22 that Weldon and Bradley were justified in killing Scott. And they made that the truth through selective listening, bad policing, purposeful misinterpretation, keeping their heads down and not speaking up, and frankly, lying. We have so much more to share with you on this investigation. It just keeps getting worse and more and more interesting, but also we're now seeing some bright spots within the ORE County, police department. People who want

Starting point is 00:37:47 things to change and who are unwilling to read from the good old boy scripts. We just hope counting counsel will listen to them. Until next time, stay tuned, stay pesky, and stay in the sunlight. True Sunlight is a Luna Shark

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