Murdaugh Murders Podcast - TSP #158 [Part One] - Debbie Barbier Tells on Herself + Why It Matters that John Monk’s Son Was Arrested for CSAM

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Starting point is 00:00:29 Terms apply. I don't know what will happen next after Deborah Barbier allegedly accused me of being involved in harassment in a police report following a very strange incident before my hearing in Spartanburg, South Carolina last month. But what happened in this investigation was deeply concerning to me, and we need to talk about it. My name is Mandy Matney. This is True Sunlight, a podcast exposing crime and corruption, previously known as the Murdoch Murder's podcast. True Sunlight is a Luna Shark production written with journalist Liz Farrell. Well, where do I start? Obviously, with gratitude again, because we have raised nearly $80,000 through our Secretary of State approved GoFundMe account that will go toward my legal fees.

Starting point is 00:01:31 Let's be very clear here. This massive amount of money is sending a massive message to the state of South Carolina, showing how many people from around the world more than 1,000, see my contempt order as wrong and unjust. More than 1,000 people were willing to donate their hard-earned money for me to do everything I can to get this ruling reversed. Stay tuned to our social media for an update on our next legal moves, but I just want to say thank you again for making a horrible situation so much easier

Starting point is 00:02:08 by showing your support and reminding me that I'm not crazy here. It is the system, and we must do what we can to make it better for all of us. On that note, can I also say that I am tired of waking up to my sweet husband, David, saying, are you ready to hear something that's really effed and going to make you super mad? No, David, I am never ready to hear that. Because every day since Judge Keith Kelly issued his unprecedented $176,000 judgment against me for asking that my deposition be held in a safe place, well, the universe just keeps telling me over and over how dangerous and frankly,

Starting point is 00:02:54 effed of a place South Carolina really is, especially for women. And it's now become a place that I know long, want to call home, which breaks my heart because I was enchanted by and determined to change this place for the better. But now even the salt air makes me sick to my stomach. It smells like corruption, and it feels like even the air isn't safe for me to breathe. The greatest American poet of all time, Taylor Swift, once wrote, quote, They say I abandoned the ship, but I was going down with it, my white-knuckle-dying grip, holding tight to your quiet resentment. And now, that's exactly how I feel about South Carolina. It's a ship I must abandon if I want to

Starting point is 00:03:42 save myself. For years, I ignored the quiet resentment the establishment in this state had against me, because your voices of support always drowned it out. It was hard to believe that I was so unsafe and so hated and a place where I could hardly go to the grocery store without getting stopped by a stranger who said thank you for your work. Those messages of support were the fuel that kept me fighting in South Carolina and trying my best to try to make the justice system better for all of us. We took a sledgehammer to the good old boy system and we let sunshine pour through its darkest corners. We showed people from all over the world that there are two systems of justice in South Carolina. One for people like the Murdox and apparently

Starting point is 00:04:33 Greg Roman and Greg Parker and then one for the rest of us. And we did this through our explosive investigative reporting in our cut-throat commentary. I should have known better. The good old boy system would not crumble so easily without a fight. Sure, people threw bricks at us along the way. But when we built something big with those bricks and made it all the way to the red carpet as executive producers of a hit Hulu show. After that, the good old boy machine bucked back in a way that I could no longer ignore and a way that I should have predicted but did not. It wasn't just the law affair, the stolen text messages, the harassment, a judge at a standing desk, physically looming

Starting point is 00:05:21 over me and telling me over and over through his orders, words, and actions that I had fewer rights than the good old boys in this state. It's the feeling of seeing for myself that top-to-bottom corruption exists in South Carolina and knowing how easily I could be swallowed whole and spit out by crooked cops, dirty attorneys, and immoral judges. It takes my breath away sometimes. We flew too close to the sun. We exposed powerful, terrible people on this podcast who would have likely have gotten away with their dirty deeds and despicable crimes if it wasn't for us. And now, we're paying for it. Which brings me to Deborah Barbier's police report that we talked about on Cup of Justice this week.

Starting point is 00:06:11 It did not surprise me that Deborah Barbier literally called the police in Spartanburg because my friend Jeff took a photo of her in a public place, the hotel lobby at the AC Hotel in Spartanburg, where I will never stay again because they apparently gave out my private information over the phone. But anyways, see, I'm not at all surprised that Deborah Barbier, captain of the backyard swimsuit police, and of Greg Parker's legal team, who literally asked Judge Kelly for Lunashark to be banned from taking photos in the courtroom due to unflattering photos of their team, I'm not surprised that she literally called the police because someone took a photo of her in a public area at a hotel where he had a right to be as he was a guest. Debbie really hates her photo being taken. Hmm, I wonder why. If there's one thing

Starting point is 00:07:06 I've learned about Deborah Barbier, it is that there is no bottom to her. Literally, ew, I've heard some things. That's all I'll say. Ew, Debbie. Ew. But Deborah Barbier calling the police, and blaming me isn't the part that worries me the most about this AC Hotel Police Report situation. It's that the Spartanburg Police Department investigated this claim of harassment further than I've ever seen any police department ever do, including the Beaufort County Sheriff's Office on my harassment claim against Jim Seidel. David, will you read exactly what Deborah Barbier alleged in the first place to warn a multi-officer, multi-week, investigation that included search warrants.

Starting point is 00:07:54 On scene, I spoke with the victim, Deborah Barbier, who is a lawyer in town for a trial. Ms. Barbier stated that this incident occurred this morning at approximately 0.715 hours. Ms. Barbier stated that when she went down to the front desk, she noticed an unknown white male sitting in the breakfast area. Ms. Barbier stated that the suspect then stood up and started videoing her and screaming, quote, smile for the camera, end quote, and kept screaming her name. Ms. Barbier stated that she did not respond and then left. Ms. Barbier stated that the case today is against Amanda Matney and believes her to be involved in the suspect's actions.

Starting point is 00:08:44 First of all, the breakfast area at the Spartanburg AC Hotel is a good 50 feet from the front desk. I saw Jess' video. He was not screaming. He was not confrontational. He was not intimidating or threatening, in my opinion. Although, it's funny, isn't it? How Debbie ridiculed me on the stand for being scared for my safety. And this.

Starting point is 00:09:10 This is what she calls the police over. And she immediately called the police and told Judge Kelly that morning at my hearing that she was being harassed and feared for her safety because someone took a photo of her at the hotel lobby. Again, this is the hearing that she asked for and insisted that it would be in person. So all of this could have been avoided and much cheaper if Judge Kelly would have just stuck to what he said about the final hearing being virtual. Deborah B. Barbier. Hmm.

Starting point is 00:09:46 What does that B stand for? Claimed that this run-in at the AC Hotel was harassment, and she demanded a follow-up interview with Lieutenant Kirby at Spartanburg PD a few days later. David, will you read what Lieutenant Kirby wrote? Quote, I spoke with Mrs. Barbier on the phone and listened to her concerns about this encounter with, quote, Jeff inside the AC Marriott Hotel Lobby on June 22, 26.

Starting point is 00:10:18 Mrs. Barbier also advised Jeff showed up at the courthouse where she was set to testify in court in the Honorable Judge Kelly's courtroom. I was advised by Mrs. Barbier that she represented a co-defendant in the Alex Murdoch case and has since been harassed and followed by members of Lunas Shark Media. Okay, hang on, that is a lie. We literally complimented Deborah Barbier in the early days of MMP when she represented Corey Fleming. To us, at the time, she was like a breath of fresh air compared to Dick and Jim. And God, that's even hard for me to say now.

Starting point is 00:11:01 I need y'all to hear this clip from MMP episode 37. First of all, the big difference was that Corey didn't hire a good old boy. He hired a legitimate defense attorney named Deborah Barbier. Unlike Elyke's defense team who managed to insult victims and the judges, while arguing baseless claim after baseless claim, Barbier stuck to the task at hand, arguing that her client, Fleming, deserved bond. We maintain this view every time we spoke about Deborah Barbier

Starting point is 00:11:37 when she was representing Ehrlich Murdoch's best friend. Oh, and in episode 12 of True Sunlight podcast, Liz literally said, quote, we applaud Debbie Barbier for her emotional intelligence, decorum, and quiet strategy in this case. Like, come on, this is embarrassing because God, we were so wrong about Debbie. But this is important. We only started criticizing her when she represented Greg Parker and only really started reporting on her in a way that she absolutely deserved due to her revolting actions against me, a journalist, covering a legal case. It is simply a lie to say that our fans would have been harassing her and following her since the Murdoch days. And Debbie, girl, he was not following you that day. There are only a few

Starting point is 00:12:31 hotels in the small town of Spartanburg. We obviously picked the one closest to the courthouse. I thought it would be safe because Team Terrible is based out of Columbia, which is only an hour and a half away. But of course y'all had to stay at a hotel the night before my hearing. And of course, you probably charged me for it. And of course, I can't even see what you are charging me for because Judge Kelly issued a confidentiality order on your fees. Deep breath, Mandy. So yeah, we all happen to stay at the same hotel and all happen to be attending the same dumb hearing. Again, Debbie, girl, no one was following you, and to take a page out of your own playbook. If people have been harassing you and following you for so long, why didn't you hire private

Starting point is 00:13:21 security? Why did you dare to enter a public space? Why didn't you hire security, Debbie? Anyway, David, please keep reading from Lieutenant Kirby's report. I requested Mrs. Barbier provide me with a background summary of the entire incident, and if she could explain why the situation started. I advised Mrs. Barbier that I have limited information other than a gentleman recording you and shouting your name inside of the lobby of the A.C. Marriott Hotel and appeared at the Spartanburg County Courthouse where you had legal matters to attend on the same day. I received some screenshots from Mrs. Barbier with one showing her at the customer service

Starting point is 00:14:06 counter inside the AC Marriott Hotel. The other screenshots were from social media post showing Jeff with a screen name on Instagram. Other screenshots show social media conversations mentioning Debbie Barbier. I will upload these screenshots to Spillman once it comes back online. I also received an email from Mrs. Barbier containing a link to Dropbox, which contained information she has shared with me. box folder contains a folder labeled, quote, Mandy Matney, with approximately 126 screenshots, voicemails, and email correspondence from several senders. These messages consist of screenshots from social media pages, photos of bad business reviews on the victim's business page, and messages. The assumed intent for these messages and screenshots is to criticize, or,

Starting point is 00:15:06 or insult Mrs. Barbier. It appears all these messages and critiques are all prior to Mrs. Barbier arriving in Spartanburg, South Carolina. I attached a link to the Dropbox folder she shared, and I also downloaded that folder, which will be secured either in Spillman or Axon. Okay, it's kind of funny if all of this weren't so terrifying, that Lieutenant Kirby was basically like,

Starting point is 00:15:35 I have limited information other than a gentleman video recording you and shouting your name inside the lobby of the AC Marriott Hotel and then appearing at the Spartanburg County Courthouse where you had legal matters to attend to on the same day. Because literally that's all this boils down to. Jeff was there to support Mandy, which entails having to see Debbie. And not to give her big head, but she did make quite the impression during that first hearing where she brought up Mandy's bathing suit picture. So this is essentially like if you were to attend a concert and the band you were seeing happened to be staying at your hotel. And the morning of the concert, you snapped a photo of that band in the hotel lobby where you had a right to be and were having breakfast. This would be like that.

Starting point is 00:16:19 And then you going to the concert and the band seeing you and calling the police on you because, oh my God, you showed up at the concert. It's like that, except way worse. It's so incredibly far from the crime of harassment, which I'm sure Debbie knows. And then Debbie was like, oh, wait, there's more. And she showed the police screenshots of people, including of Jeff, criticizing and insulting her, likely for her own actions in this case. Insults and criticism are protected by the First Amendment. Debbie, the super lawyer who charges her clients an ungodly amount so she can live in her

Starting point is 00:16:56 $3 million mansion, should know that. David, will you read the statutory parameters for the crime of harassment in South Carolina? A. Harassment in the first degree means a pattern of intentional, substantial, and unreasonable intrusion into the private life of a targeted person that serves no legitimate purpose and causes the person and would cause a reasonable person in his position to suffer mental or emotional distress. Harassment in the first degree may include but is not limited to. 1. Following the targeted person as he moves from location to location.

Starting point is 00:17:42 2. Visual or physical contact that is initiated, maintained, or repeated after a person has been provided oral or written notice that the contact is unwanted or after the victim has filed an incident report with a law enforcement agency. 3. Surveillance of or the maintenance of a presence near the targeted persons, A, residence, B, place of work, C, school, or D, any place regularly occupied or visited by the targeted person, and four, vandalism and property damage. Section B. Harassment in the second degree means a pattern of intentional, substantial, and unreasonable intrusion into the private life of a targeted person that serves no legitimate purpose and causes the person and would cause a reasonable person

Starting point is 00:18:36 in his position to suffer mental or emotional distress. Harassment in the second degree may include but is not limited to verbal, written, or electronic contact that is initiated, maintained, or repeated. C. Stalking means a pattern of words, whether verbal, written, or electronic, or a pattern of conduct that serves no legitimate purpose and is intended to cause and does cause a targeted person and would cause a reasonable person in the targeted person's position to fear one death of the person or a member of his family. Two, assault upon the person or a member of his family.

Starting point is 00:19:25 Three, bodily injury to the person or a member of his family. Four, criminal sexual contact on the person or a member of his family. David is David here with an aside. It seems like this statute does not include any hers. Perhaps I should file the next police report to be taken more seriously, because as Justine Vanderlune points out, men are apparently the only gender or sex who can possess reasonable fear. Okay, so none of that describes what Debbie even alleged here, which we'll get to in a minute. It sure does, however, seem to describe what has been happening to Mandy for the past

Starting point is 00:20:10 eight months. Remember when a former FBI agent hired by Mark and Debbie said on the stand that he himself had to confirm exactly where Mandy lived? Remember the repeated pattern of disturbing posts from Jim Seidel fixating on Mandy's every move? Remember when he apparently waited for Mandy and me in the parking lot outside of a hearing? Remember when he posted a photo of himself in Savannah blocks away from where Mandy was before she posted her location? Remember when the Beaufort County Sheriff's Office told Mandy there was nothing they could do about it? Because we do. From what this police report said, Debbie didn't prove a pattern of harassment.

Starting point is 00:20:50 She literally just gave the police a whole folder of quote-unquote evidence of people criticizing her for her actions prior to this photo slash video being taken, which isn't a crime. But she wants to make it one, right? She wants people to be terrified to ever say her name on the internet because the internet, unlike the internet, unlike the. Jessie Judiciary is the only place that holds her to account and exposes her for who she is and what she does to people like Mandy and what she does to women. There was no requirement for Mark or Debbie to pursue contempt charges against Mandy to the extent that they did, especially after she gave her deposition. So in a way, Debbie has inserted herself in this incredibly public case and willingly played the role of the villain attorney for her master, Greg Parker. If she wants a private

Starting point is 00:21:38 life, she should stick to less headline-grabbing cases that tend to piss the whole internet off. But wait, the police report somehow gets worse. More on that after a quick break. The justice system can be intimidating, but it doesn't have to be. We all want a drink from the same cup of justice, and it starts with learning about our legal system. My name is Mandy Matney, and together with journalist Liz Pharre and world-renowned attorney Eric planned, we create the perfect trifecta of legal expertise, journalistic integrity, and a fire lit to expose the truth wherever it leads. We all encounter a part of our justice systems at one point,

Starting point is 00:22:21 so why not get prepared while being entertained with tales from the newsroom and the courtroom? Cup of Justice has amazing special guests like Cheryl Crow, Vinipolitan, Emily D. Baker, and other experts to share their take on the bright side of the truth. Luna Shark Media invites you to gain knowledge, insight and tools to hold your own or hold public agencies accountable. Search for Cup of Justice wherever you get your podcast or visit Cupofjusticepod.com. Now, getting back to the part of this Marriott-A.C. Hotel incident that really freaks us out. The fact that the investigation kept ongoing. David, will you read the next part of Officer Kirby's report? On 62926, as of this date, I have not received a case summary or brief from Mrs. Barbier.

Starting point is 00:23:21 On 629, 2026, I secured a search warrant to obtain video and documents from the AC Marriott. Judge F. Adams issued the search warrant. On 7126, I accompanied Sergeant J. Powell to the AC Marriot to obtain the requested footage and documents. Sergeant Powell recovered a USB thumb drive and several pages of documentation. We responded back to the police department and upon inspecting the U.S. thumb drive, it only contained a single video of the customer service counter. Deputy Report for Incident C2606-0527. We responded back to the A.C. Marriott and ultimately had to request their IT department to

Starting point is 00:24:11 download the video and place it on an external drive. I reviewed the videos provided, which consisted of approximately 530-second videos, and was unable to locate the confrontation Mrs. Barbier advised. I will upload that folder into Axon Evidence. So Debbie didn't do her homework, and the police still went out of their way to get a search warrant from a magistrate judge, who was, been on the bench since I was literally a toddler. That judge, Judge F. Adams, approved it without an actual crime being articulated, from what we see. And then, Lieutenant Kirby searched through four

Starting point is 00:24:55 hours of camera footage and could not find anything that matched Debbie's account she advised. And again, what is the crime that they are even investigating? But they kept going? After that, David, will you read Sergeant Powell, a different officer's report written after Debbie didn't do her homework. On July 1, 26, I, Sergeant Powell, met with AC Hotel Marriott General Manager Joe Dunnan. During this meeting, I presented Mr. Dunnin with a search warrant provided by Lieutenant Kirby, which had been signed by a Spartanburg County magistrate judge, see copy scanned into the case file. The search warrant requested any video surveillance recordings related to the incident that occurred in the lobby of the AC Hotel on June 22, 26, between 0600 and 100 hours. The warrant also requested any room rental records from the AC Hotel on or about June 21, 26, under the names Mandy Matney, Amanda Matney.

Starting point is 00:26:08 Mr. Dunnan provided me with a thumb drive that was represented. to contain the requested video surveillance and room rental documentation. See scanned documents in the case file. Upon review, it was determined that the thumb drive did not contain surveillance footage covering the entire lobby area. Mr. Dunn subsequently arranged for a member of the hotel's IT department to assist with locating and downloading the requested video footage. I completed the search warrant return on July 2, 26.

Starting point is 00:26:42 at the Spartanburg County Courthouse. Hang on, they got another search warrant for my room booking records. After they searched through videos and failed to find the incident that Deborah B. Barbier described, and after, she sent a bunch of social media screenshots that apparently showed that people were angry with her for the way that she has treated me in all of this. And then the Spartanburg Police Department continued to investigate this, and got a warrant for my room records? And notice how they phrased the fact

Starting point is 00:27:22 that they never found the incident that Debbie described. Was this an error in the cameras? Or did Debbie misrepresent what actually happened to police in order to accomplish what I think is her big game goal, defaming me? And it is infuriating, because how many times did Micah Francis report legitimate harassment to the Myrtle Beach and ORI County Police Departments. Too many times.

Starting point is 00:27:50 And every single time, they said that there was nothing that they could do. Remember, when her tires were slashed? And they told her it was a freaking civil matter. Then there's the flip side to that. Deborah B. Barbier, a former U.S. attorney. She gets her photo taken in a public place before a very public court hearing. and she gets the Spartanburg police to spend weeks investigating that incident with multiple officers and multiple warrants signed by judges. We asked the Spartanburg Police Department for the status on the report and they said inactive,

Starting point is 00:28:28 which I guess it's good that they are no longer spending time on it, but also concerning they never reached out to me or to Jeff to get information on the incident. Or maybe to ask Jeff if I ever told him to do anything. anything to make Debbie feel unsafe or uncomfortable. And that answer would be no. This was a police report designed, like so many of Mebby's filings, I believe, to further defame me and discredit me and scare me into silence. The truth is that it did scare me, but I won't and can't be silent about it,

Starting point is 00:29:05 because I still believe that there is safety in the sunlight. back to the part where Debbie immediately went to Judge Kelly the morning of Mandy's hearing on June 22nd. And based on my opinion and based on this police report and based on everything I've seen with my own eyes and heard with my own ears on Jeff's video, which police never asked for, by the way. It's like I said on a couple of justice. Mark and Debbie take any tiny scrap of truth they can just so they can twist it and remold it for their advantage. just so they can turn it into something else altogether, which I'm sure is a great strategy when you defend otherwise indefensible actions, including your own.

Starting point is 00:29:49 Okay, so according to the police report, it took some doing to get video of the lobby, the place where Debbie says the harassment occurred. And obviously the mission to get the video ended in finding no evidence of what she says occurred. Surely after this so-called incident that Debbie has used to depict man, and our listeners as bad actors, Mark Tinsley subpoenaed for the hotel surveillance footage and

Starting point is 00:30:14 the body-worn camera footage, and Debbie and Coe filed a motion to block the subpoena. In court on July 7, Parker attorney Rhett Reicherd argued that these subpoenas had nothing to do with the case at hand. Not only did Judge Kelly agree with that, he seemed to scold Mark Tinsley and vaguely hint at filing a complaint against Mark's law license for discovery abuse. It was surreal, y'all. Judge Kelly barely gave Mark the opportunity to explain how these two things are connected to the case. For years now, and especially in the past eight months, Parker's attorneys have sought to make our names, and most especially Mandy's, synonymous with Mark Tinsley's name. They want Judge Kelly to regard Mark as in cahoots with us, as if anything we've been doing in this case hasn't been above board and part of the normal reporting process.

Starting point is 00:31:07 assess. They claim that Mandy and Mark were working together in 2020. They weren't, nor have they ever. And they want the judge to look at that and say, well, this is a mess. And if Mark and Mandy were working together and Greg and Greg were working together, well, that's the same thing. And it's so is not. So Mark Tinsley subpoenaed for that footage because Debbie's credibility matters here. Debbie can't over and over and over mislead the judge into three. thinking that Mark Tinsley was in some sort of arrangement with us. Again, he wasn't and never will be, because that is not how this is supposed to work, and it's not how it can work.

Starting point is 00:31:48 She's done all that without being challenged on the likelihood of her claims. It would be pretty hard to keep claiming that Mandy's this ringleader of harassment when the harassment Debbie's claiming happened didn't happen. And like Mandy said, it's just rich that we're even having to discuss this in the context of the contempt case and what Parker's attorneys turned it into beyond a big old billing fest. Beth and I got into it this week with a male content creator known for taking on cases involving women and abuse. He is known for crying into the camera about the women, most of whom were killed, and he just gives, in our opinion, grifter vibes. We might be wrong, but that's just our opinion.

Starting point is 00:32:34 On Monday, our former boss, Will Folks at Fitz News, posted a screenshot on Twitter showing that Mandy registered the GoFundMe fundraiser for her legal defense with the South Carolina Secretary of State's office, per the rules. The screenshot he posted needlessly included Mandy's home address. I say needlessly because Will could have blurted out. Should have blurted out, but he didn't. He also commented that this Mandy thing, as he referred to, he referred to, to it keeps getting weirder. What's weird about that will? That Mandy follows the rules? Or that our listeners believe in the work we're doing and suggested a GoFundMe for her legal fund? Or that our listeners have showed up the way they have, helping in every way they can.

Starting point is 00:33:23 Is that the weird part? Or are you the weird one? Anyway, the mail creator commented that Mandy putting her home address down on the registration form, quote on unquote, proves, and that's the word used, that she does not fear for her safety. Imagine going to this intellectually dishonest place. To do what? To judge Mandy, to judge whether a woman has a right to be worried or scared in her own context. When a strange man with a criminal record and a ceaseless fixation on Mandy makes it his career, and I'm not being hyperbolic there, to post about her and write about her and spread lies about her. When this strange man with a criminal record boasts about working with Parker's attorneys

Starting point is 00:34:11 and brokering a $9,000 sale for our private work product text messages, of which neither he nor the seller were a party to, when this strange man literally demonstrates he knows where and when Mandy's deposition is going to be held and threatens to show up at it. But sure, filling out a required document that's specifically, specifically request her physical home address proves that she's not scared. Okay. When we challenge this male content creator publicly on his thinking,

Starting point is 00:34:43 he called Mandy and David idiots for not using a fake address that you can apparently buy online. Uh, what? Anyway, I bring this up because watch the silence and nothingness that happens when people like this male creator. Find out that Debbie Barbier, a former assistant U.S. attorney, made specific claims of ongoing harassment that occurred on camera, and yet the camera doesn't show that. What are the male content creator and his brethren going to say about the police determining that the 125 separate pieces of evidence that Debbie provided them to show that this harassment has been ongoing since her days of representing Corey Fleming?

Starting point is 00:35:30 don't show anything but insults and criticism. Are they going to ask us for Jeff's video and call it out? L-O-L. We all know the answer to that one. Mandy's not allowed to fear for her safety when a creep-leg Jim Seidel is partnering up with highly aggressive and adversarial attorneys who are deposing her in service of a lie that they've embraced about her professional relationship with Mark Tinsley. But Debbie Barbier is allowed to accuse Mandy and our friend,

Starting point is 00:36:00 Jeff of a crime and involve the judge and the police. And when the evidence comes in and literally does not show what she said happened, who cares, right? It is so beyond frustrating. Now, I've thought long and hard about doing this and I'm still not sure how I feel about it because as a journalist, I really value my ability to have free conversations with sources. Without them ever worrying, I'll use it against them. It's been over four years now and there have been just so many lies at this point publicly that I feel like I have to do this. So remember how Debbie told police that our fans have been harassing her since her Murdoch days, insinuating that this is who we are, that this is because of us, people who encourage

Starting point is 00:36:41 harassment. David, will you read the text message Debbie sent me on March 17, 2022? Hi, Liz. I want to apologize for not being able to respond yesterday. It's been a crazy busy week to say the least. I will do better next time. Also, thank you for the kind words tweeted today. This is a tough profession, and it's nice to receive compliments.

Starting point is 00:37:07 Now and then, hope to talk soon. David and Grace, will you read this section in my deposition when Mark Moore tried to depict me as not reaching out to Greg Parker for comment? David will read as Mark Moore, and Grace, will you read as me? So, Miss Farrell, exhibit B. Number seven is called. It's from a publication called Ethics and Journalism. Are you familiar with it? Yeah. Okay. Have you, I take it, you were familiar with it before you walked into the room today. Is that right? Yes, sir.

Starting point is 00:37:49 Okay, all right. And it talks about best practices. The no surprises rule. A fair and full opportunity to respond. and it says, quote, an opportunity to respond means that a reporter or a journalist should reach out to a subject before an article is published to give the subject an opportunity to hear and comment on what's being said about them in the article, a chance to answer questions and offer additional information or to inform the reporter's work. Is that context right? Yes. Okay. Do you do that, Ms. Farrell?

Starting point is 00:38:27 Oh, sometimes. Yeah, I do. Okay, so you choose when and when you don't do it. Is that right? Yes, I do. Okay, all right. And if, if, for example, you've decided that you don't like a person or their position, you're not going to reach out to them, is that right or wrong? That is inaccurate. Okay, well, why don't you tell me how, how, when you decide to reach out to people or not? I've told you already If I'm going to get a lie back

Starting point is 00:38:58 Or if I think the source is not going to be honest with me I have no use for them And not to bring Mrs. Barbier Am I pronouncing that correctly? Barbier, Barbier. Barbier. Again, we're... Well, let me just say something.

Starting point is 00:39:10 I think she can speak for me reaching out for comment So I've reached out to her for comment in the past So not about this case, but about another one. Okay, just to explain something there. I was struggling with whether to reveal a source. Debbie on the record during that deposition. And so I kind of hedged in case I was misremembering, which cases she and I had spoken about. David, will you read from our notes on the July 6th hearing? And I apologize to everyone that this isn't necessarily verbatim what Mark Moore said about me,

Starting point is 00:39:43 but we were unable to record the hearing. So this is from what I scribbled down. We asked Ms. Farrell whether she conducts the subjects of her articles for comment before they're published, as is recommended by the journalist's code of ethos. She admitted that she chooses when she will and when she won't do that. Now will you read the part where Mark Moore was fake outraged over how journalists very occasionally get court filings. Again, these are from our notes, so it's not verbatim, but the sentiment is true to fact.

Starting point is 00:40:21 Mr. Tinsley has given them court filings, And I haven't seen anything like this before in my career, Your Honor, by going on their show and called Ms. Farrell and Ms. Matney to share information and reporting, and given them documents he just filed before they hit the docket so they can report on it faster than their competition. Thank you. Now, with David as Debbie and Grace as me, will you two read these text messages from March 21, 2022? Hi, Mrs. Barbier. I'm so sorry to bother you. I'm going to be posting a story on what transpired last week in B2B Parker at Al Case. I'm reading the defendant's supplemental brief now. I know you're busy, so I won't put, quote, did not respond to comment, end quote. If there's anything you'd like to say now or add when you can, I'm happy to include that even after it's posted. Thanks, Liz. Hi, Liz, because the motion is still pending before the court, I generally don't comment. If there are any pleadings you want to see, even though I am in trial, I can get someone to send it to you. Let me know. Thank you. No problem. I think I have everything that was filed as a Friday.

Starting point is 00:41:34 Everything that is in public index, that is. Mr. Tinsley has filed a reply to the supplemental brief. I think that's the last thing filed. Oh, you know, Debbie, just telling me she doesn't judge. generally comment on ongoing litigation, but she's willing to give me documents. Honestly, that's all I have left in me to say about this today. I am so sick of my own optimism in hoping that the lies will stop, that the court will step in in the right way, that they'll leave us all alone and let us do our jobs without mischaracterizing

Starting point is 00:42:08 every single thing that involves us. Every single thing that comes out of our mouths gets chopped up and repurposed and presented to an unquestioning judge who seems to have already made up his mind on matters. Mandy, how can people help us here? First, please don't ever harass or threaten or follow anyone. We have learned the hard way that Team Parker will absolutely take any shred of anything resembling harassment and literally call the police on me. I don't need that right now. What I need is for y'all to keep showing up for me, to keep sharing my story and the GoFundMe, which again serves as a reminder to the South Carolina justice system, just how many people are tired of injustice in our state.

Starting point is 00:43:01 Keep correcting the false narrative being pushed about what happened with my deposition, the deposition that I sat for twice. We are still building a strategic legal team for my next steps, and I would greatly appreciate the help of anyone with legal experience or strategic PR experience who could advise us through this tough time. We have an army and we see you and we appreciate you. Because of you, we will keep fighting through the darkness until sunlight prevails. And we will be right back.

Starting point is 00:43:42 Now it's time to talk some more about journalists and ethics. More specifically, let's talk about John Monk from the state newspaper, the main paper of record for South Carolina next to the Posting Courier out of Charleston. I'm going to be up front with y'all. I have never had any particular regard for John Monk as a reporter, one way or the other. For nearly 20 years, we were colleagues, and I am pretty sure he had no idea. And frankly, I only knew him by name. I can take off the names of reporters in South Carolina who worked for McClatchie,

Starting point is 00:44:16 who made a difference with their reporting, and his name was, on that list. He was a reporter and had been at the paper for a long time. He covered crime and courts and politics. And I barely remember people talking about him at the packet. In 2019, Mandy and I had multiple run-ins with John Monk, though, through our editor at the time because John, based in Columbia, seemed to have decided on his own behalf that the Beaver County Bow crash, which involved the grandson of a certain former 14th Circuit solicitor, as well as well. as teens from a neighboring county was automatically his story, despite the crash occurring in the coverage area of another McClatchy paper, the island packet, where Mandy and I worked.

Starting point is 00:45:03 The packet was small, but it was known for punching outside its weight class. Mandy and I were told by our editor, who was also John's editor, that this was the packet's story and that John had been told to knock it off. And it's weird because I didn't even get to the this feeling that John was scooping us or trying to compete with us. He just didn't consider us. It was cluelessness and arrogance more than animosity, I think. The Island Packet couldn't possibly have reporters capable of covering such a thorny story. Despite being told to back off and after several weeks of our reporters at the packet dominating the boat crash headlines, John tried to sneak another one past everyone. Mandy and I discovered it in the system,

Starting point is 00:45:50 while we were covering the Heritage PGA Tour golf tournament. Not only was it a story that a packet reporter had already reported on, it contains several errors of fact, which, you know, I pointed out to our editor, and I'm sure that contributed to our editor's feelings of annoyance with Mandy and me. John could disregard his directive and not have it get addressed, but when we pointed it out and asked for clarity to avoid confusion, then we were the bad guys.

Starting point is 00:46:19 I think that's a story that many, many, many women can relate to in the workplace. Because what was this guy's problem? Anyway, in 2022, when I was walking to my car after a hearing at the federal courthouse in Charleston, John approached me on the street by staring at me. And for those of you who don't know, John has the appearance of a shopkeeper in Diagon Alley. He stared at me and asked, who are you? No niceties. Just who are you? I said Liz Farrell and he said, who are you with? I said Fitznews and he said,

Starting point is 00:46:56 oh, okay. And that was it, at least according to my aging memory. I'm certain though I remember this part correctly. It was strange, especially because John didn't look like the last photo I'd seen of him and the way he was walking around the courtroom like he worked there. I had assumed that he was a part-time janitor or some sort of retired civic volunteer at the courthouse. I'm not even saying that to be mean or make a joke. I literally thought that's what he was doing. Later, when we were all covering the Russell Lafitte hearing, I was talking in the reporter's room about some part of the case or other, and a reporter with ABC 4 News named Drew Tripp asked me how I knew what I was talking about. And I pulled up the public record on my laptop, and he was standing over my desk and reading it. And I was,

Starting point is 00:47:44 It was either something we had paid for through Pacer or got through FOIA or a source, I can't remember. Out of professional courtesy, though, I offered to just send it to him. As he was giving me his contact info, John Monk walked right up to my laptop with his notebook and leaned down as if he'd been invited there. He was not part of the conversation that led to this exchange. He didn't say hi or how are you or do you mind? He just dipped right in. And I know men out there who would be like, that's right, John, go get them. Push your way in there. Women aren't supposed to be reporters. So she must be a helpful secretary. That said, this is how my impression of John was formed. That in his clear slant, or is it habit, or a professional investment for future tips,

Starting point is 00:48:38 or just man-to-man generosity of reporting his fact. things attorneys tell him even after the attorney's credibility has been tested and proven non-existent. Here's why we're in the predicament we're in now. Because we do the math on public filings and we're not afraid of changing our position when the math changes. Look at our stance on Becky Hill. At first, we thought it was all just this manufactured outrage on the part of Dick and Jim and Joe McCullough, that they were using Becky and her naivete to bolster their own plan B for Elek Murdoch's murder redo. But as we learned more and reported those facts,

Starting point is 00:49:18 we learned that Becky is, in fact, a hot mess. She's a liar, and her lack of professionalism and desire for popularity and relevance gave Team Murdoch the inn that they needed with the Supreme Court. We didn't hide that. We didn't write around it. We reported the facts of it and compared what we learned to everything else we knew to be true. We weren't buddy-buddy with Becky Hill as our comrade. colleagues have allowed the trolls to claim despite knowing that they were the ones cuddling up to her and even committing alleged crimes with her.

Starting point is 00:49:50 Ugh. I know it sounds like I'm whining sometimes, or at least I feel like I'm whining, but then I remember that this is me, gaslighting myself, because I was trained by the dark lords of society to do that from the time I was born. Women calling out inconsistencies or patterns or injustices or bad faith acting or even just narrating the damning facts aloud are often cast in the worst light possible. Attacked for even bringing it up? Vilified? Burned at the stake. Yeld at physically harmed, killed, pushed out of positions, fired. All while more laws get made.

Starting point is 00:50:35 to protect the bad guys. It's one thing to joke about the patriarchy and the good old boys. It's another thing to experience the daily beating of it so publicly. Anyway, John Fing monk, just to quote Mandy in her book. It got worse, y'all.

Starting point is 00:50:53 And more personal. For one, and to be clear, we don't care about this, but it does say something about who he is. Mandy is the only major player in the Murdoch case whose book he never wrote about. He repeatedly refers to us as podcasters

Starting point is 00:51:09 and self-described journalists, despite knowing our backgrounds, credentials, and accolades as journalists, and our literal reporter bios still being live on McClatchy's website that describe us both as journalists. Again, we do not care, but it's a pointed decision on his part.

Starting point is 00:51:31 It was clear what he thought of us, which, again, no skin offers. knows us, we find him to be a problematic journalist too. And we've not been shy about saying that. But still, still, it was shocking when he started covering the contempt hearings in April and didn't even pretend in the usual way he pretends, in our opinions, to be objective. His reporting was obtuse, ill-informed, and wholly misleading, to the point where hundreds of people called out his sloppy, inaccurate reporting that reeked of jealousy in the comments on Facebook. As so many people wrote on the Island Packett's Facebook page, his writing felt retaliatory.

Starting point is 00:52:18 Literally, you could have switched his byline for mebbe and no one would have blinked an eye. One of the more egregious things he reported on, though, was that I had expressed fear for my safety and brought a security guard with me to my first hearing, and he, John Monk, Mr. Security Expert, didn't see any threats in the empty courtroom. It's astounding how intentionally stupid and cruel men like John Monk, or should we call him, junk actually are. But even worse than that, if you can imagine it, after my unprecedented $176,000 contempt ruling, John Monk wrote a scathing, inaccurate article about my proceedings that directly hit my credibility, which I not only take seriously, I have to take seriously.

Starting point is 00:53:10 It's like a swimmer doing lapse. Without credibility, I am nothing. John, or Junk, specifically wrote that I admitted on the stand to making things up for content on my podcast. Because he was ignoring the truth of what I said. Eric Bland has said this so many times. Attorneys argue the facts. When the facts aren't on their side, they pound the law. And when neither the facts nor the law are on their side, they pound the table.

Starting point is 00:53:41 I characterized Debbie's position as banging her fist on the table on a cup of justice episode. And of course, Debbie pounded me with questions. Like, there's a video of the hearing. Did I bang my fist on the table? I said, it's an expression. and explained from the stand the meaning behind what I said, which she obviously knows. She knew it was metaphorical.

Starting point is 00:54:06 But John Monk, who's covered courts for literally 40 years, apparently closed his ears to my answer and reported what Debbie claimed as fact that Mandy Matney admits to lying about Deborah Barbier. When, in reality, John, you're the only liar in this equation. You lied when you said, I admitted to making things up for my podcast. I never make things up for my podcast.

Starting point is 00:54:34 I never make things up for my journalism. Because one, I would never do that, and two, I don't have to. Look around, John. South Carolina is so backwoods, so incestuous, and so corrupt to the core, that the truth is always more fascinating than fiction ever could be. Like this week, for example. We learned in a press release from the U.S. Attorney's Office that John Monk's son, Jonathan Andrew Monk, was hit with a nine-count federal criminal indictment for attempted production, distribution,

Starting point is 00:55:13 and possession of child sexual abuse material. Yeah, let me say that again. John Monk, the man who has covered South Carolina courts for literally 40 years, and has consistently, in our opinion, written in fact, favor of defense attorneys under the mask of being an unbiased reporter, that man's 44-year-old son is now an accused pedophile. I just need to pause for a second because, oh my gosh, Liz, please help me. Jonathan Andrew Monk was a drama teacher at Heathwood Hall, a private religious school in Columbia, South Carolina. According to his Instagram page, he appeared to be around children.

Starting point is 00:55:58 a lot, both from his work as a teacher and his involvement with theater. He was a member of the Trust Us Theater Group in Columbia, and yikes, that is not a good name for this situation. What Jonathan Andrew Monk is accused of is horrific, and our hearts go out to the two minor victims and their families in this case. According to the indictment, Jonathan Monk is accused of, quote, knowingly attempting to employ, use, persuade, induce, and, entice and coerced two minors ages 16 and 15 to engage in sexually explicit conduct for the purpose of producing a visual depiction of such conduct and the visual depiction was produced using materials that have been mailed, shipped, and transported in and affecting interstate and

Starting point is 00:56:44 foreign commerce by any means on or about November 29, 2024. Monk, whose Instagram handle is Secret Monk, is accused of using kick screen names, Rizzler Twizzler, blobby John with three ends, 19, gliz, gliz, supergliz, 18, and Scubody 1777 to distribute the child sexual abuse material in August, October, and November of 2025, according to the indictment. He faces a minimum of 15 years in federal prison and a maximum of 30 years. He has pleaded not guilty, and he has been appointed a public defender as of now, that public defender's name is Taylor Davis Gilliam. In South Carolina, it is well known that the recipients

Starting point is 00:57:33 of target letters in federal criminal investigations often engage former federal prosecutors to mitigate whatever might be coming their way. I'm not saying it always works in the target's favor, though in both Mandy's and my experience, we have seen federal investigations disappear after a target letter has been sent and the target engages former U.S. attorneys before an indictment can come down. And we're not saying it's necessarily a bad thing. The feds aren't perfect, man. They get things wrong and if you can afford to hire someone with influence in the U.S. Attorney's Office or if you're friends with someone who's willing to help you as a favor who has influence in the U.S. Attorney's Office and you know you're being wrongfully targeted or can help them with their investigation,

Starting point is 00:58:19 I mean, sure, do it. I'm also not saying that this is what is happening here. But you're G.D. Wright, I'm going to ask the question. I mean, listen, I'm under no illusions. John Monk does not like me or respect me or Liz, but even knowing that, and even knowing his history of getting in his little jabs at us whenever he can, even in consideration of that, John's coverage of the past few months of the Lawfare launched against me, the bizarre proceedings with Mark Moore, Deborah Barbier, again, two very influential former federal prosecutors now practicing criminal defense law, which reminds us to talk about our thoughts on why Greg Parker chose to hire criminal defense attorneys to defend him in a civil suit.

Starting point is 00:59:12 Well, that has been over the top, slanted, obtuse, misleading, dishonest, and again, almost word for word, out of the mouths of Mebby's. In a nutshell, defamatory and maliciously so. Every single story he wrote about my contempt hearing left me baffled. I kept asking why this man would so blatantly twist the truth in a way that was really obvious to most McClatchy readers, according to the angry comment sections under each of his articles about me. Why was he apparently trying so hard to twist the truth? to impress MEB. On crime analysts this week, I spoke with Laura Richards about how it's well

Starting point is 01:00:00 known among criminals in South Carolina that if you get charged with a federal crime, your chances of getting a reduced sentence tend to increase dramatically when you hire a former federal prosecutor. Like Jim Seidel hired a former federal prosecutor when he was caught misusing nearly $200,000 from a PPP loan, aka your tax dollars, and spent that money on crypto and a new house for himself. Seidel's attorney in that case apparently worked with Mark Moore and Deborah Barbier at, of course, the U.S. Attorney's Office back in the day. Interesting, right? And we'll be right back. The thing is, we're driven by connecting dots, not making assumptions about people we don't like or We base our coverage on court filings, timelines, receipts, interviews with experts we trust,

Starting point is 01:01:01 observation, and we connect the dots. And then we do it again from the very beginning every time there's a new development to see if what we've reported on, if the dots we've connected, based on the evidence and what we're seeing, still stands. We approach our work fanatically, and like investigators would. Sunlight changes through the hours, days and years, and things tend to look different than more you know. That said, John Monk's stories about the contempt hearing

Starting point is 01:01:30 were either the result of extreme confusion and laziness or an inability to maintain objectivity as he's so well known for being objective, or a very deep bow at the waist at the throne of Mark Moore and Debbie Barbier. The question has to be asked. When did John Monk know his son was the target of a federal investigation

Starting point is 01:01:51 and was it before he continued to the highly unusual, overly aggressive and diabolically tactical contempt hearings involving two former U.S. attorneys. That answer matters because there is a potential conflict of interest there, in our opinions. David reached out to John Monk on Tuesday night for comment, sending John the U.S. attorney's offices press release, but first I want to talk about John reaching out to David for comment from Mandy on July 10th. In the text that John sent David, he tells him that he's texting him because he doesn't have Mandy's number to contact her directly, which is interesting because John had reached out to David in the past for comment from Mandy. David, will you read

Starting point is 01:02:35 your response to his request for comments? You don't have her phone number because Debbie B. Barbier posted her phone number on the public index maliciously, and Mandy has been harassed ever since, requiring her to get a new phone number. She's been harassed incessantly and terrified by a felon and his cronies, which you've refused to recognize. Is it because she's a woman? That's why you don't believe her. In fact, we consider your reporting choices an extension of that harassment

Starting point is 01:03:17 as you validate this onslaught of lawfare against the First Amendment, journalism and women's right to feel safe in their surroundings. You should be ashamed of yourself and be better at journalism. And this is why we love David. Stand by your woman. But John didn't include that as a comment. Even though he routinely, like I said, reached out to David to get comments from Mandy in the past. Instead, he wrote in the story that the state had reached out for comment and got now

Starting point is 01:03:54 response, which as you can hear is not true. So given John's lack of interest in hearing what any of us have to say, when David requested comment from John on this story about his son, David simply copy and pasted an April 30th response that John had texted to David in his search for comment about the contempt hearings at the time. David, will you read that? This is a breaking news story, and we are publishing shortly. However, since we are publishing digitally, we can very likely include a response in the story when you send it. Text me to let me know you've sent it.

Starting point is 01:04:35 Obviously, we changed the word story to podcasters, just so John wouldn't get confused and understand that this was a request from the podcasters. And the response we got to our request for comment regarding his son's indictment and arrest was, thanks, we'll let you know. Credit to John for promptly responding, by the way. But that's all we've gotten so far from him. Now, are the sins of the son, the sins of the father? Absolutely not.

Starting point is 01:05:03 I am sure this is heartbreaking and devastating for the entire monk family. But I'm not here for hugs or flowers right now. It's hard for me to muster any sympathy, knowing how John's words have contributed to this notion that I had no right at all to fear that Jim's side. would appear at my deposition, which he was threatening to appear at. I'm here looking like a character in doom, covered in dust and sweat and unable to breathe in this atmosphere. Like I said, it's important to know what the state newspaper knew about Jonathan being a target of a federal

Starting point is 01:05:46 criminal investigation and when they knew it, and what John Monk himself knew and when he knew it, because he was covering my hearings with Mebby at the helm. And I have to ask this. Was he doing it in the way that he did because he needed their help? Again, we are not saying that this happened, but we have a responsibility to ask the question. Reporters have influence. You know this,

Starting point is 01:06:15 especially the ones who look like the people they had been reporting on for half of a century. I don't ever want to take pleasure in another human's pain, and I really hate that this is happening for the students and the faculty at the school that Jonathan worked at, and I hate that this allegedly happened to the victims. Sorry, the alleged victims, who were 15 and 16, the ones we know of anyway, because remember, the trading and distribution of CSAM materials repeatedly re-victimizes the children in these types of images.

Starting point is 01:06:50 Those alleged victims aren't allowed to be wholly believed by reporters like me who know how hard this system is on them going forward. I'm not allowed to wholly believe them until they are dragged through this court system and their alleged abuser is either found guilty or pleads guilty. So yeah, Jonathan Andrew Monk is innocent until proven guilty. And I'm sure this was probably one of the worst days of John Monk's life. But forgive me for my coldness, because I know how the trolls and my colleagues who worship at John's altar will criticize me. But over the past two days, I've sat and watched my colleagues in the press either completely ignore that Jonathan is a son of longtime crime and courts reporter for the state newspaper or elect to not reference John Monk by name at all. John Monk gets an

Starting point is 01:07:48 anonymous reference to his career at the end of the story. And if this were my son, y'all know the headlines would read South Carolina podcaster's son accused of pedophilia, and I would understand it because I've been a journalist for 15 years. I know that my work focused on exposing crime and corruption would and should be called into question if a human I raised was accused of such a horrific crime. But South Carolina is a state that values influence, power, and access. And though he and others would deny it, John Monk is a major part of that system. In our opinions, and from what we've seen, there's a secret code between the press and the powerful in this state. And that is to never call out the elephant in the room, to maintain the status quo by protecting each other.

Starting point is 01:08:41 John Monk has done nothing in our opinions to ever call out blatant lies and contradictions that come from criminal defense attorneys. Time and time again, he seems to value the scoop over the inconvenient truth that the story he's been given and the sources giving it to him need to be examined closer. There's a real consequence for that, and I have been one of those consequences. I simply want to know the truth. When did John know that his son was a target of a criminal investigation? And when did his bosses at the state know?

Starting point is 01:09:19 And what exactly did they do next? We reached out for comment on Wednesday from John Monk's editor at the state. As a publication time, we have not gotten a response. But you can be sure we will update you if we hear back from him. We will be following this story of Jonathan Monk's case closely. We are also curious about his teaching timeline and his interactions with students. There is always more to every story. And if you know anything, please email info at lunasharkmedia.com.

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Murdaugh Murders Podcast - TSP #158 [Part One] - Debbie Barbier Tells on Herself + Why It Matters that John Monk’s Son Was Arrested for CSAM

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