Murdaugh Murders Podcast - Who Leaked Greg Alexander’s Allegations and Why + Dick Outs Murdaugh Grand Jury Witnesses (167pt2)

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Starting point is 00:02:04 or visit wherever it leads, pod.com. Well, welcome to part two of episode 167, formerly known as Judge Carmen Mullen's very combative day in front of the Commission on Judicial Conduct. And now, known as we knew it. There was something fishy about the Greg Alexander leaked to the press. Right as we were finishing part one of this episode, we received the latest filing from Team Murdoch, yet another motion to compel. There are already two giant motions

Starting point is 00:02:46 awaiting the next status hearing on October 16th. But this one, it's different. So as you know, from part one, we were both like, what is going on with the Greg Alexander story? The Post and Courier reported that the state grand jury was investigated. the current police chief of Yemisee in a close ally and buddy boy of Elyke Murdoch and his family for allegedly transporting the weapons from the murder scene of Maggie and Paul on the morning after June 7, 2021, along with bloody clothes, and taking them to his police station temporarily. Elyke's second murder trial is in six months.

Starting point is 00:03:28 Like we said, not only is this news a huge deal, The fact that it was leaked to the press is very big too. We wondered if this was coming from the AG's office in response to T. Murdoch's shenanigans about the murder weapon and alleging that it was used in two shootings in Allendale, South Carolina. We wondered if the AG's office was being like, oh, you want to talk about the murder weapon? Let's ask Greg Alexander what happened to them.

Starting point is 00:03:57 We also wondered if something else was going on here, something twisty that benefited Team Murdoch. Because, honestly, and this was just our opinions, we wouldn't be surprised to find out that someone from Murdoch's team leaked the Allendale Weapon story to Fitznews so that they would publish something that Team Murdoch could then reference in court. Likewise, we would not be surprised to find out that this too, this news about Greg Alexander being investigated by the state grand jury,

Starting point is 00:04:30 to be a Murdoch leak to. I know it sounds backward because on its face, why would team Murdoch want any news to go public that Greg Alexander, again, a close ally of Ehrlich, might have something to do with taking the murder weapons and bloody clothes from the scene? Why would someone from that team leak this? But then there's that Joe McCullough factor, right?

Starting point is 00:04:57 And that's just always an immediate red flag in our opinions when it comes to this case. Greg Alexander is being represented by Joe McCullough, who is Dick Hart-Pootlyan's best friend for Eva, who sat in the murder trial for all six weeks using a media pass because he said he was writing a Hollywood screenplay, who buddied up to Becky Hill, who threw her a birthday party

Starting point is 00:05:22 and who allegedly encouraged Becky to write her book and allegedly checked in with her to see her progress, according to a source close to the situation. who immediately represented the egg lady after she got booted from the jury for violating the judge's order. Joe McCullough, who represented juror 630 with her three revised affidavits about why she voted the way she did in the trial. Joe McCullough, who was at the very heart of why Ehrlich Murdoch's murder conviction was overturned. So, yeah, tell me more about how a team Murdoch ally is representing a potential Murdoch conspirator in the case. But why would he want this out about his client?

Starting point is 00:06:02 Why would anyone on Team Murdoch want to open up further speculation about who might have helped Eleg that night? Especially when so many people already suspected Greg Alexander of this. We have a theory, and we don't like any of this one bit. Not only are we irritated with Team Murdoch, we have some words for SLED and for the AG's office too. Let's talk about that new motion to compel, shall we? Just like we told you in part one, team Murdoch is trying to create a narrative that the state not only unfairly targeted ELEC from the start, they are withholding potentially exculpatory evidence from them on, well, many, many fronts. They have their old man magnifying glasses held right up to those eyes, and they are examining every little mousehole for clues in this case.

Starting point is 00:06:49 Sorry, not clues, I mean avenues, for them to exploit and turn into headlines. Things like Alec Murdoch demands DNA evidence from the state and Murdoch attorneys want phone evidence and oh, did Murdoch murder weapon get used in Allendale murder? Like I said, they're exploiting the hell out of everything right now. And that's because they need to create as much drama or reasonable doubt as they can during pretrial, right? Got to get that jury primed and ready to believe that SLED and the AG are corrupt, incompetent and constantly covering their tracks all in service. of taking down a good old boy. And y'all know us. Of all the people covering this case, we are the ones who would be voted most likely to say, yeah, that sounds about right, except for the part about the good old boy. In this case, listen, neither Alan Wilson nor Sled are in the power seat here.

Starting point is 00:07:45 They never were. They are the underdogs, the ones fighting the power. And that is a very unique position for them to be in. Remember what we said in? When it comes to the Murdoch cases, there is a monster around every corner. So, in this motion, Team Murdoch adds another chapter to their growing, intellectually dishonest, hyperbolic twisting of the facts narrative of the Murdoch investigation is corrupt. They are in an outrage. An outrage, I tell you, David. Will you read a bit from their manifesto?

Starting point is 00:08:21 If the reports are accurate, the state has held since 2003 a witness statement that a police officer handled the murder weapons, and the clothing defendant Murdoch was said to have worn. And it has never disclosed that statement to the defense. The statement contradicts the theory on which the state indicted and tried defendant Murdoch. It bears, on the integrity of a crime scene at which Chief Alexander was present. It impeaches every witness who testified that a solo actor committed the murders and disposed of the murder weapons at Almeida. It is Brady material of the plainest kind, and the state's duty to disclose it, attached the day Sled received it, ran through the appeal and the reversal

Starting point is 00:09:21 and was renewed by the supplemental Brady and Giglio motion, defendant Murdoch served on August 5, 26, which specifically asked, new witness statements and post-trial investigation material bearing on the integrity of the investigation. The state did not disclose this exact exact, information. The defense learned of it from a newspaper. What they're referencing is this bit of information from Jason Ryan's story in the Post and Courier. David, will you read that?

Starting point is 00:10:00 Months after the first trial ended in conviction in 2023, this reporter met with David Owen, the lead sled investigative agent on the Murdoch case. To discuss an allegation, from a low country official that Yemise's police chief and another officer may have handled murder weapons and bloody clothing the morning after the murders. The official claimed to sled agents and in an interview with this reporter at the time

Starting point is 00:10:36 that Alexander spoke of arriving early to the murder scene and talked about providing a change of clothes to Murdoch. The official expressed belief that guns and clothing were brought by the officers into the police station and stored there temporarily. Those assertions, including to agents, could not be corroborated by the Post and Courier. There seems to be a bit of a leap happening, and maybe this is splitting hairs, but it could be important. T. Murdoch said that they learned this from the newspaper. that SLED knew about this tip right after the trial. But all I see here is Jason Ryan recounting

Starting point is 00:11:24 how he asked David Owen about the allegation months after the trial. And Jason Ryan saying that the official spoke to SLED agents, but not sourcing how he knows this person actually did. It does not mean that it isn't true. But how does Jason Ryan know that this person actually spoke to SLED? and if they did what that person actually said, meaning how does Team Murdoch know that a witness statement even exists? Now, I seem to remember Judge Deborah McCaslin telling Dick and Jim, really scolding them about it, to go to Creighton first to ask about potential discovery issues

Starting point is 00:12:05 before bringing it to the court. There's really no evidence that they've done that with this. So we hope Judge McCaslin asked them about it. She didn't seem to love how Jim Griffin sprung that Fitznews report about the Allendale murder and the rumor that the murder weapon was used on that weird episode of that weird Fitznews podcast. Speaking of Fitznews, our former brief employer, we didn't mention in the first part of this episode that they were the ones to publish this leak first. Honestly, we didn't take it seriously until the Post inquiry were published it with far more detail and actual sourcing. And there's a reason for that.

Starting point is 00:12:48 It's not lost on us that Fitznews was the one that gave Team Murdoch the opportunity to say that they learned about the Allendale murder weapon rumor in the press in August. That gave Team Murdoch an opportunity to drop a bomb in the courtroom to get super dramatic while accusing the state of withholding discovery from them. This seems suspicious, even back then, because the only place Fitznews had published this quote-unquote report was in, like I said, an obscure episode of their podcast. You'd have to either know that this was mentioned in the podcast or have been a really big fan of theirs to have heard it. It was briefly mentioned in the podcast days before the hearing, and the only person who seemed to catch that was Jim Griffin. It wasn't a subject of conversation that we could see up into that point on the line. But Fitznews sure did tweet about that bomb that got dropped when Griffin mentioned this. This is why we didn't put much stock in the Greg Alexander Grand Jury rumor when Fitznews reported on it. I mean, we hoped it was true. Don't get me wrong. But right away, we didn't trust the leakage. It seemed like this was a companion bomb to the Allendale murder weapon bomb. When Griffin used the Allendale murder weapon rumor in his argument in August, the state and sled were quick to clear

Starting point is 00:14:05 things up. This was a rumor and nothing but a rumor, according to them. The weapon used in Frank Alexander Brown's death in April 26 was not the same one used to kill Maggie Murdoch. But the defense can't seem to let that go. In their motion to compel that was filed last week, they made a big and time-consuming request for Sled and the AG's office. They want extensive information about the 720, 300 blackout casings that SLED says it uploaded to the national databases for crimes committed since January 2021. Again, more smoke and mirrors from the defense to add to their narrative that the state is up to no good and maybe even to push back that April 27 court date that Judge McCaslin says she doesn't

Starting point is 00:14:56 plan to extend. It's worth mentioning that in this latest motion, Dick and Jim bring that up. David, will you read that part? Defendant Murdoch asks the court to enforce the state's disclosure obligations. A statement given to sled agents in 2023 is not a grand jury matter, and no secrecy attaches to it. With trial six months away and the court, having stated that it will not grant continuances, the showing is made. There's no way Judge McCaslin doesn't see right through that, right? because this seems to me to be a very familiar strategy,

Starting point is 00:15:35 and I think it's called the official Red Rider carbine action 200 shot range model air rifle featuring a compass in the stock and a sundial that tells time. Dick is basically Ralphie from a Christmas story, thinking he's being slick by nonchalantly slipping in a mention of the trial timeline every once and again, trying to be all casual about the thing. Every single one of us who's paying attention knows is among his chief gripes with the universe right now, and that's that he wants more time to prepare for Ehrlich's second trial,

Starting point is 00:16:05 and Judge McCaslin's position from the very first hearing was this. I will have that information by next pre-trial. If I need to extend it out a couple of weeks, I will, if that's the case. Please do not think that this case is going to be tried a year later because it's not. We're going forward.

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Starting point is 00:18:47 Click the link in the description to learn the best way you can stay tuned, stay pesky, and stay in the sunlight with Luna Shark premium on Patreon and Supercast. Okay, so back to the motion. Let's talk some more about Joe McCullough. According to the filing, Greg Alexander was subpoenaed to appear in front of the the state grand jury from September 15th to September 17th. But when Joe McCola made it known to Creighton that he was representing Greg, the state grand jury released Greg from his subpoena. Here's how Team Murdoch wants to characterize that. David?

Starting point is 00:19:33 This sequence of events speaks for itself. The subpoena was issued while Chief Alexander was without counsel. It was withdrawn once he had a lawyer who could advise him and learn what the state was asking. A prosecutor investigating Chief Alexander for concealing evidence in a double murder would have no reason to release the witness just because his lawyer appeared. However, a prosecutor using the state grand jury to develop evidence for the retrial of this case, out of the view of the defendant, and this court, would have every reason the state did not abandon its inquiry. When Mr. McCulloch appeared,

Starting point is 00:20:21 it abandoned only the examination that a lawyer would have witnessed. This is another histrionic and unnecessarily dramatic argument that Judge McCaslin has to see through, because the state would have had every reason to believe that Greg Alexander would hire an attorney to advise him in this case. no idea why the state changed its mind on bringing Greg in, but let's all put our heads together and come up with an educated guess, shall we? Could it have been? Because the attorney is Joe McCullough and Creighton isn't dumb. Greg Alexander hired an attorney who, for all intents and purposes,

Starting point is 00:20:59 has appeared to be an honorary, if not fully sworn in member of Team Murdoch, for years now. And not for nothing. But this motion seems to support the theory that there's a direct line of communication between McCullough and the Dicks and Jims. Not only did they attach the subpoena that went to Greg Alexander to this motion to compel, they outed other alleged witnesses who they say have been questioned by the state grand jury, and they outed the name of the judge that they say brought this tip to sled. Isn't the state grand jury and its investigations and the people who are testifying in front of them supposed to be confidential so that the investigation and the witnesses are protected? Yeah, they sure are, which is why we have to completely cross out any speculation

Starting point is 00:21:44 we had over whether the AG's office or Sled could have been behind this leak to the press in some sort of show of muscle to counter Team Murdoch's perpetuation of the Allendale murder weapon rumor. Now, we just have one suspect on that list, and that's someone from Alex team slash auxiliary team. David, will you read what Dick Harpoulin told Fitznews for their September 25th story about this grand jury investigation, starting with the paragraph before his quote. Multiple sources familiar with the status of the sled inquiry and the grand jury probe have confirmed to Fitz News that witnesses have testified to seeing the Murdoch murder weapons

Starting point is 00:22:28 in Alexander's possession in the immediate aftermath of the double homicide. These witnesses have further testified to Alexander allegedly describing his role in the crime scene cover-up, and implicating at least one other low-country law enforcement leader as having participated in the alleged conspiracy. Quote, if that's true, it would raise questions that need to be addressed before the court, end quote. Murdoch lead attorney Dick Harpulian told Fitz News when informed of these developments. Now, things can develop fast when you are an angry Dick, right? Maybe Dick got the call from Fitz News and it was like, I didn't know anything about this.

Starting point is 00:23:17 I'm going to go find out more. But, but, but, but, according to Dick's own filing, Greg Alexander was subpoenaed on August 31st to appear in front of the state grand jury from September 15th through 17th. And according to Dick's own filing, Greg Alexander hired a. Joe McCullough sometime after he got subpoenaed and before the scheduled dates for the testimony. Is it believable to think that Joe McCullough didn't talk to Team Murdoch about the subpoena before Fitznews, quote unquote, called Dick for comment? Also, how exactly did Greg Alexander know the subpoena was connected to the Murdoch case?

Starting point is 00:23:54 I mean, sure, Creighton's name is on the subpoena, but Greg's a police chief. Isn't this sometimes part of the job? It's not like this man hasn't been investigated by the grand jury before. And why is Joe McCullough the patron saying of Alec Murdoch's loyalists? You would think that Greg would have hired a much less obvious attorney to handle this, given the big flashing neon sign that this is put above his head that says, uh-oh. Seriously, if he had hired any other attorney for this, it would have immediately been like, there's probably nothing to this rumor.

Starting point is 00:24:24 By hiring Joe, Greg put a full tank of gas in the allegation station wagon. So what did Dick and Jim out in the time? this motion and how is this not considered witness intimidation? Under the best circumstances, outing the names of grand jury witnesses is putting them at risk and putting the case at risk. But this is the worst of circumstances. This is the freaking Murdox, people. And Dick just casually put some names in the filing. Why is that? Is Dick so sure that he will never be held accountable for his extra factual antics. Or are these witnesses okay with being named?

Starting point is 00:25:08 It's hard to say. But we can say this. One of them, Stacey Lodholt, became the chief of police in Allendale at pretty much the same time that Jim Griffin was putting out to the world that there was a rumor involving an Allendale murder this past April and the rifle that killed Maggie in June 2021.

Starting point is 00:25:30 Also, the motion to compel filed last week by Team Murdoch mentioned a second shooting involving an Allendale law enforcement officer in April 24, also allegedly rumored to be connected to the Murdoch murder rifle. Kind of interesting timing there, right? According to Dick and Jim, the state grand jury inquiry into the allegations against Greg Alexander started in August, in one of the witnesses, whom Dick doesn't seem to fear naming publicly, got himself a new job in Allendale, in charge of the police department there.

Starting point is 00:26:10 I mean, y'all, we couldn't make this up. And then there's the woman who Dick says is Sled's source on this, Judge Cheryl McKinney, who back in the day was a client of Elex. And when she was the municipal judge of Varnville, the town in Hampton County where Ellick and his siblings grew up and where Ellick's parents lived at the time of the murders. Old Judge McKinney was accused of taking payments from the Barnville Police Department's Victims Assistance Fund, and that was approved by the Varnville Police Chief. While she was suspended for that at the time and not initially reinstated as a judge,

Starting point is 00:26:50 McKinney was soon back at it as a judge just a few years later, because South Carolina. And for the record, she said that she got, quote, shafted by the system. How do we know about Judge McKinney's background? Well, we looked it up. But also Dick spent two whole pages informing the court about Judge McKinney's credibility issues. So again, the why now question that we asked in part one of this episode seems to be answering itself, doesn't it? Why is this being lead to the public now?

Starting point is 00:27:24 Well, friends, will you just look at what these guys are trying to do? The latest motion not only seeks to paint the state as disobeying Judge McCaslin's order in committing multiple discovery violations. It seems to be attempting to torpedo whatever investigation the state is doing into Greg Alexander in his alleged role on the night of the murders. Or, as he might say, covering up doo-doo. And I ain't okay. I don't try to cover new, do-do-do up, nothing up.

Starting point is 00:28:00 If it's wrong, it's wrong. If I've done it, and it's wrong, I'm going to be transparent with the citizens. Let me know I've done wrong. And we got to do it, get to do it right. And, oh, they are flying real close to the sun with this one. Because listen to this one. David, will you read that? A statement that a police chief spoke of a robbery.

Starting point is 00:28:24 arriving early at the crime scene and of providing defendant Murdoch a change of clothes, and that the weapons and clothing were taken to a police station is favorable on every axis the cases listed above in this motion recognize. It is exculpatory of the theory the state tried. If the weapons and the clothing left the scene in the hands of law enforcement officers, They did not leave in defendant Murdoch's hands, and they did not go to Al-Meda. It impeaches the state's reconstruction of the night, which admitted of no other participant and the witnesses who presented it.

Starting point is 00:29:11 It bears on the integrity of the scene itself, which Chief Alexander is reported to have reached before it was secured. And therefore, on every item of physical level, evidence recovered from it. And it supports the defense that more than one person was involved in these murders. A defense, the state's own investigation, now appears to credit. Do you see what we mean? No? Okay, let me explain. So first, the state's theory isn't that Ehrlich acted alone in all aspects of the murders that night. The state's theory is that he alone killed Maggie and Paul and went to Almeda, where his vehicles movements show he might not have gone directly into the house, lending support to the idea that he allegedly stashed the murder weapons and bloody clothes on his

Starting point is 00:30:03 parents' property. As we talked about in part one of this episode, there are several raised eyebrows over John Marvin Murdoch's chosen route to Moselle that night, a route that seemed to unnecessarily taken past Almeda, with Greg Alexander escorting him. So while I'm not saying John Marvin and Greg did anything criminal that night, I am saying that the state's theory involving the weapons being taken to Almeda does not mean that it's a whole new theory to say that the weapons were taken from Almeda to another location? I mean, good God. Also, let's parse this out a little. At what point does the uh-oh sign above Greg Alexander's head turn to the call is coming from inside the house? Because the arguments in this filing are like a psychological,

Starting point is 00:30:51 thriller. Is it him or him? Or who can it be? Him? Him? Him? Ostensibly, the defense is holding tight to their chief defense, which is some other dude did it, right? It wasn't Elek. It was two short kings. It wasn't Ehrlich. It was whoever killed Frank Alexander Brown in April. It wasn't ELEC because the state is hiding evidence from us. But they're also making some of their arguments on the premise that it's true that Greg Alexander disposed of the murder weapons and the bloody clothes and brought Elek a change of clothes. I mean, sure, they're playing pretend and saying that this is the state making this argument when the state hasn't made any argument of the sort.

Starting point is 00:31:33 And this is why we say they're flying too close to the sun here. Again, the goals seem to be this. Show that the state is committing widespread discovery violations. Create more unwieldy discovery requests based on room. in the press to help support an extension for the trial date when that time comes and blow up this investigation into Greg Alexander. To do the latter, they have to acknowledge that a loyal friend of Elyke Murdoch, a man Elyke Murdoch wrote a $5,000 check to in the summer of 2021 claiming it was a loan to Greg is being accused of transporting the murder weapons and bloody clothes and bringing ELEC a change

Starting point is 00:32:14 of clothing, which would mean Ehrlich is the murderer. No? I mean, that's how it would seem to me. But no. And this is where if I'm Greg Alexander, I'm not trusting a single one of those team Murdoch fools because what's really happening is they are arguing that the state is keeping vital information about the murder weapons away from the defense because the state wants to hide any notion that someone other than Ehrlich killed Maggie and Paul. Are you with me? The defense wants the state grand jury investigation into Greg Alexander to mean that someone other than Ellick murdered Maggie and Paul, which would mean light bulb over Greg Alexander's head, please start flashing that he was involved in covering up the murders of Ehrlich Murdoch's loved ones. And there he is right in the fold.

Starting point is 00:33:06 Kept nice and safe from the state grand jury by Dick Hart-Hootlyan's favorite fluffball, Joe McCullough. Okay, now for the part where we lose our minds over Sled in the AG's office. So help us. If you guys get a bona fide tip that Greg Alexander did the things Dick Harputlian and Fitznews and Jason Ryan are saying that he is being accused of doing, and you got that tip in 2003, and y'all did nothing about it until August 2026, regardless of the conviction you just got. Wouldn't it be important to look into a police chief's alleged involvement into trying to cover things up for the murderer? I'm no strategist, but why subpoena Greg Alexander at all? It seems foreseeable that he would immediately go back to Team Murdoch,

Starting point is 00:34:04 and there would be some immediate damage control from them. Though, who would have guessed that they would put the names of an alleged witness and an alleged informant in a public filing. But really, the point is, if the allegations are true, were they expecting Greg to confirm that in a grand jury testimony? I mean, we get it. You want to get the subjects of the investigations on the record to contradict themselves and tell on themselves by accident, maybe, or inadvertently give away key information that gets you closer to an indictment. That's applying the normal rules of engagement to this case. At this point, Y'all should know better. Nothing about this case is normal.

Starting point is 00:34:49 But you know who could change that? Judge Deborah McCaslin. She has the power to pull the clown noses right off some grumpy old faces. If there are genuine discovery violations happening at the hands of the state, then sure, yes, do something about that. But this feels like shenanigans, starting with the announcement about the Allendale murder weapon rumor right through today and this motion. This feels like the typical create a fire, point to the fire, scream about the fire, and blame the opponent for the fire strategy that these boys have come to be known for. But like this is times a hundred. They are doing the work for Eleg. And all for free, they want to say. So much more to unpack about all of this. Stay tuned, stay pesky, and stay in the sunlight.

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Murdaugh Murders Podcast - Who Leaked Greg Alexander’s Allegations and Why + Dick Outs Murdaugh Grand Jury Witnesses (167pt2)

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