Murder In America - EP. 251 - FLORIDA: THE PULSE MASSACRE, PART FOUR: THE PULSE BEATS ON

Episode Date: June 26, 2026

In 2016, the Pulse massacre was the most violent mass shooting to ever take place on American soil. 49 innocent people were dead. Dozens more were wounded and traumatized. But many made it their mission to ensure those people did not die in vain. In our final part of this 4-part series, we will look at the helpers in the aftermath of the shooting. Those who are fighting for love, tolerance, and acceptance for all. And those who are fighting for legislation that could have kept their loved ones alive. Because when the full picture of what happened inside Pulse came to light, it became clear that there were dozens of chances to save lives: Chances that, tragically, no one took. - Sources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eTYeCoYyxm58DXXdoFbHQyWHlWbcH9iKGIefFcQToW4/edit?tab=t.y2yayotxnlcb Listen to our new show, "THE CONSPIRACY FILES"!: -Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/5IY9nWD2MYDzlSYP48nRPl -Apple Podcasts - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-conspiracy-files/id1752719844 -Amazon/Audible - https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/ab1ade99-740c-46ae-8028-b2cf41eabf58/the-conspiracy-files -Pandora - https://www.pandora.com/podcast/the-conspiracy-files/PC:1001089101 -iHeart - https://iheart.com/podcast/186907423/ -PocketCast - https://pca.st/dpdyrcca -CastBox - https://castbox.fm/channel/id6193084?country=us - Stay Connected: Join the Murder in America fam in our free Facebook Community for a behind-the-scenes look, more insights and current events in the true crime world: https://www.facebook.com/groups/4365229996855701 If you want even more Murder in America bonus content, including ad-free episodes, come join us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/murderinamerica Instagram: http://instagram.com/murderinamerica/ Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/people/Murder-in-America-Podcast/100086268848682/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderInAmerica TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theparanormalfiles and https://www.tiktok.com/@courtneybrowen Feeling spooky? Follow Colin as he travels state to state (and even country to country!) investigating claims of extreme paranormal activity and visiting famous haunted locations on The Paranormal Files Official Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheParanormalFilesOfficialChannel - (c) BLOOD IN THE SINK PRODUCTIONS 2026 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We go into great detail with every case that we cover and do our best to bring viewers even deeper into the stories by utilizing disturbing audio and sound effects. Trigger warnings from the stories we cover may include violence, rape, murder, and offenses against children. This podcast is not for everyone. You have been warned. When the world woke up on June 12, 2016, they were faced with headlines full of words that have become more and more common. Mass shooting, massacre, hate. crime. As the number of victims began to climb throughout the morning and afternoon, the shooting earned a new title at the time, the most deadly mass shooting in U.S. history. 49 lives gone in one night, in a targeted violent attack. That afternoon, Florida Governor Rick Scott posted on Twitter

saying, quote, this is an attack on our people, an attack on Orlando, an attack on Florida, an attack on America, an attack on all of us. End quote. In the immediate aftermath of the shooting, one question was louder than all the rest. And to this day, it's a question that truly hasn't been answered. Why?

Why did the gunman arm himself with two guns, walk into Pulse Nightclub, and change the lives of hundreds, if not thousands of people? To some, it was a clear terrorist attack. To others, it was an attack on the LGBTQ community. a clear hate crime. But in today's episode, we are going to walk you through the aftermath of this tragedy,

which is the final part of our poll series. So with that, I'm Courtney Browen. And I'm Colin Browne. And you're listening to Murder in America. June 12, 2016, and the days that followed carried a heaviness that back then, just 10 years ago, felt very new. This was before Parkland, before the Vegas shooting, before suburb. than Springs or Evaldi or Lewiston. There had been mass shootings before,

but a shooting of this scale was earth-shattering. 27 people had died at Sandy Hook in 2012, 32 at Virginia Tech in 2007. But by midday on June 12th, those numbers had been surpassed by pulse. There was a new dark record set that day in U.S. history books. Early reports said 35, then 40, then 45, before finally landing at 49 deaths as a result of the Pulse nightclub shooting.

It was unlike anything the U.S. had seen and with it came the panic, the questions, the fear. Why had this happened? How? People wanted answers. And by 1.30 p.m., less than 12 hours after the Pulse nightclub shooting had begun, President Barack Obama stepped into the White House briefing room to try and provide them for the first time. Today, as Americans, we grieve the brutal murder, a horrific massacre of dozens of innocent people. We pray for their families who are grasping for answers with broken hearts. We stand with the people of Orlando who have endured a terrible attack on their city. Although it's still early in the investigation, we know enough to say that this was an act of terror

and an act of hate. And as Americans, we are united in grief, in outrage, and in resolve to defend our people. I just finished a meeting with FBI Director Comey and my Homeland Security and National Security Advisors. The FBI is on the scene and leading the investigation in partnership with local law enforcement. I've directed that the full resources of the federal government be made available for this investigation. We are still learning all the facts. This is an open investigation. We've reached no definitive judgment on the precise motivations of the killer.

Behind the scenes, investigators were still looking for answers. Meanwhile, the nation was grieving the loss of 49 lives. On Sunday, June 19, 26, more than 20,000 people attended a vigil at Lake Iola in Orlando. But the support wasn't just shown in Orlando. Orlando. From coast to coast, vigils and memorials popped up, offering mourners a place to come together and pay their respects. These vigils were held in New York, North Carolina, Georgia, Daytona Beach, San Francisco, Chicago, Las Vegas, and even overseas. In Paris, Berlin, Sydney, London. All over the world, people were honoring the victim's lives. Flags were flown at half staff

around the Washington Monument, and the spire of the One World Trade Center in New York City was lit up in the colors of a rainbow. People all over the world were hugging, crying, and wrapping themselves in rainbow flags that read, Stop the Hate and Respect. It was an extremely heartbreaking time, especially for people within the LGBTQ community. The damage inflicted on their community was hard to wrap their heads around. And it was a very sobering thought, that if it could happen to the people in Pulse, it could happen anywhere. But in the wake of the tragedy, in a time where acceptance was still very much in everyday battle, those flickering candles seen all around the world.

All the signs and all the flags said one thing to the LGBTQ community, that the world sees you and we love you. And at that time, they could use all the love they could get. Following the shooting, Pulse was shut down for good. But the sidewalk outside its shuttered doors was soon flooded with flowers, stuffed animals, rainbow flags and candles honoring those who were killed there. In addition, thousands of people donated blood, and one blood, a donation center, even had to turn people away due to the overwhelming response.

Lines wrapped around buildings, and volunteers handed out sunscreen, water, and food for the people waiting to give blood in 95-degree heat with no shade. It was a beautiful display of humanity and solidarity, and for many of the survivors in the hospital, it was life-saving. Angel Santiago Jr., who had bravely escaped the men's restroom at Pulse, remained hospitalized at Florida-Orlando Hospital for several weeks. After receiving two units of blood, he praised the hospital staff for saving his life and told the Chicago Tribune, I don't even know how I'm alive today. While some donated blood, others sent the families and victims much-needed funds. A GoFundMe was created to benefit those left with physical and emotional scars from the shooting,

and in total, over $9 million was donated. In addition, the Justice Department provided the city with $1 million in emergency funds for law enforcement response costs. Between the well-wishes, donations, and emotional support, many victims felt a level of acceptance by their community that they had never experienced before. Signs that Red Love is love peppered the city and beyond. Orlando strong banners hung from bridges and porches. People proudly wore Orlando United T-shirts at work and on the streets. U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch arrived in Orlando immediately after the shooting

and spoke with family members of the victims. She wanted to deliver one message. We stand with you. She stated, The message of Orlando is a message of determination to remove hatred, to remove intolerance from our midst, in defiance of terror, and in defense of our most chariards. ideals. The message was simple. Love will prevail. And that love came from all over, young and

old. In the wake of the shooting, three young children, the Salisbury siblings, stitched fabric hearts and hung them on the doors of those affected by the shooting. Here's one survivor recalling the impact that the children's act had on him. These amazing children that are standing in front of you right now is a part of an organization two days after the tragedy. I opened my front door and there was a heart hung on that door. This heart that they're holding in their hands right now was a symbol of these three amazing children. Step forward, guys.

Jacqueline, Victoria, and Gavin. These are three children that were educated by their parents, standing right here, to love, regardless of their sexual orientation, race, religion, or gender. I'm so excited to say that Amanda is a teacher, which I love. these three children were taught to love. This is what we need to do in our world. It's time to teach our youth that love has no boundaries. It's time to teach our adults that love has no boundaries. It's time to teach ourselves that love has no boundaries. The hang of heart kids have made hearts for every single person here today and they would like to give you a heart a token of their

As grief blanketed the city and the victims, the love and kindness of complete strangers made all the difference for those struggling, and it continued to show up in the most unlikely of places. 20-year-old Luis Omar Acacio Cappo, who went by Omar, had recently moved to Orlando from Nashville when he was killed inside Poles, which meant his family had to travel in the aftermath, including his elderly grandmother, who had to fly all by herself. You never really think of about that. In mass shootings, there are dozens of people from all over the world that have to get on a plane and land in a city that's unfamiliar to them. Once they get to that city, they have to do the unthinkable, identify the body of their loved one. I can't imagine how excruciating that flight would be.

But for Omar's grandmother, the people on her flight showed all the support in the world. One of the flight attendants named Kelly, decided to send a message to her. She told everyone on the flight to write a message of love. And by the end of the flight, there were dozens of pages filled with messages of hope, peace, and love. Some even offered cash donations. And as each person walked off the plane, they stopped to speak with Omar's grandmother to let her know that everyone was thinking of her and her family. Some squeezed her hand. Some prayed with her. There was even a moment of silence. The flight attendant Kelly said, quote,

Every single person stopped to offer their condolences. Some just said they were sorry. Some touched her hand. Some hugged her. Some cried with her. But every single person stopped to speak to her. And not a single person was impatient at the slower deplanning process. The warmth that those people showed Omar's grandmother

was the warmth that he carried in everything he did. Omar was confident, outgoing, and proud of who he was. He had big dreams of becoming a dancer and an actor. One of his friends, Ambar Lugo, said, He was the kind of person, either you take me how I am or you don't take me at all. He was happy with himself. This was something that rubbed off on you. It made you a better person.

He made friends easily and everyone was drawn to his warmth, humor, and genuine spirit. His favorite drink at Starbucks was a green tea cappuccino, a small detail that friends remembered fondly. Omar was finally finding his place within Orlando's LGBTQ plus community, and that night, Omar had gone to Pulse with his friends, Julius Ortiz and Kalisha Kali and Dino. Callie and Omar had been childhood friends since middle school when they lived in Cleveland, Ohio, but Julius was a new friend.

In fact, Julius stated that he had been kicked out by his father and Omar welcomed him with open arms at his home. On the night of the shooting, Julius had left Pulse an hour before the shooting started, leaving Omar and Callie behind. The last text Omar sent to Julius mentioned that there were gunshots at the nightclub. As news outlets reported on the shooting, Omar's family desperately tried to get in touch with him, but he didn't answer his phone. Growing increasingly worried, they posted on Facebook that he was missing,

hoping that anyone who had seen or heard from him that night would come forward with information. Tragically, it wouldn't be long before they learned the truth. Omar's name was third on the list of people killed. His friend Callie was shot in the back and arm but would go on to make a full recovery, though it was anything but easy. She lost her friend that night, a loss that would stay with her long after the headlines faded.

For Omar's funeral, nearly 300 people showed up, including friends from Ohio, Tennessee, and Puerto Rico. His open casket was surrounded by flowers, some even provided by Disney. While the world struggled to comprehend, the hatred and violence that led to the tragedy, 49 families were forced to bury their loved ones. Over the course of the two weeks following the shooting,

each of the victims was laid to rest in private ceremonies. And during them, hundreds of people showed up. Friends, neighbors, strangers, determined to honor the lives and ensure their families were not mourning alone. Bishop Kelvin Cabarris, pastor at Impact Church, attended multiple funerals of the pulse victims, speaking and praying with their loved ones.

He told the Miami Herald, quote, Orlando is known to the world as a place of laughter and fun. This tragedy has left a city shaken. People without words to express themselves. Darkness covers our city because of all the lives that have been taken and individuals fighting for their lives now and having to plan all these funerals, end quote. But in that day,

darkness of the funerals, there were people determined to bring the light. A Chicago carpenter, Greg Zanis, made the drive from Illinois to Orlando in an effort to honor every victim killed in the shooting. The owner of Crosses for Losses, a non-profit dedicated to making memorials for victims of mass shootings, he built 49 handmade white crosses, each one bearing the name of a victim killed. After making them, he drove them all the way to Orlando. and displayed them in front of the ORMC trauma center during the funerals. Other people showed their love and support using their own unique skills and interests. David Mercer and his twin brother Darren didn't know any of the victims,

but they wanted to do something to help. So they organized something called Bikers for Pulse, where bikers from all over participated in a motorcycle procession that escorted the victim's family members to the funeral. One of the very first victims to be buried was 37-year-old Kimberly K.J. Morris, who was buried at Osceola Memory Gardens in Kissimmee, Florida, just four days after the shooting. Her family held a vigil in her honor in her hometown of Torrington, Connecticut, where everyone made one thing very clear about K.J. She loved to dance. As person after person went on stage holding candles, they spoke

fondly of KJ, reminiscing about her dance routines, where she performed as a drag king named Daddy Kay. Her friend, Shakira Henry Fessler, said, I loved to watch her perform because she loved it so much. She made you feel like you were on the stage there with her. For many, the vigil was a way to reconnect with who Kim was, a talented basketball player and track star, a bouncer at Pulse, a daughter who moved to Orlando to support her mother, a friend who always had a smile no matter what. On the stage, one of her former track teammates had a message that many carried close to their heart in the aftermath. Just keep dancing. Just keep smiling and dancing for Kim.

Throughout all of the funerals, they all carried a similar message. Love one another. Something so simple, yet so profound. Unfortunately, despite the majority of people having nothing but love, acceptance, and sorrow to offer the families, hatred still reared its ugly head, simply because the shooting took place at a gay nightclub. The morning of the shooting, as many families searched for their loved ones. Some churches spoke about the shooting, not to offer prayers,

but to say that the massacre was God's will because a majority of the victims were gay. Pastor Roger Jimenez, a Verity Baptist church in Sacramento, said in a 45-minute sermon, quote, there's no tragedy. I wish the government would round them all up, put them up against a wall, put a firing squad in front of them, and blow their brains out. The only tragedy is that more of them didn't die. End quote.

Pastor Steve Anderson of Tempe, Arizona, stated in his Sunday morning sermon, quote, The good news is that there's 50 less pedophiles in the world, because these homosexuals are a bunch of disgusting perverts and pedophiles. end quote. And it wasn't just pastors preaching this hate. People even began to act on it. The Westboro Baptist Church threatened to protest Javier Jorge Reyes's funeral. In response, over 100 people showed up with rainbow colored sheets prepared to block the protesters and their hate-filled signs. Now the members of Westboro Baptist did not show up. Instead, other members of the community,

and goldened by Westboro did show up, and they held up signs that read, God hates the Fsler. But the counter-protesters were prepared. They formed a human chain, blocking the view of the signs and allowing Javier's family to bid him for well in peace.

The love and protection that the community offered the victim's families continued. Because very quickly, Westboro Baptist began to make good on their promise, showing up to various victims' funerals across Florida. Yet, each time, they were met by hundreds of counter-protesters who thankfully blocked their hateful messages. And then there were the Angel Wings.

In 1998, 21-year-old Matthew Shepard, a gay man, was offered a ride home from a bar in Laramie, Wyoming, by Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson, two men around his age. Rather than take him to his house, the two drove out to a remote location, tied Matthew to a fence and pistol whipped him until he was unrecognizable. Then they drove off, leaving him to freeze. Matt sat there, the city lights twinkling far in the distance on the prairie,

with no way and no energy to reach them. When he was discovered in the morning by a cyclist, his face was completely covered in blood, except for a trail down his cheeks, which had been cleaned by his tears. Matthew did not survive the attack, which the prosecution determined was fueled by McKinney and Henderson's, hatred of gay people. Both were sentenced to life without the possibility of parole.

At Matthew's funeral, the Westboro Baptist Church arrived to protest with signs that read, God hates the Fsler and Matthew in hell. But luckily, a local theater created costumes, white robes with large linen angel wings that counter protesters used to hide their signs. And 18 years later, counter protesters were using the same tactics to protect the 49 victims of the pulse shooting. One counter-protester said, We just intended to make sure we were showing as much support as possible, and the anti-gay protesters were running into as large of an opposition as we could create. It's such a simple display that meant everything to the mourning families, an action that

told them that their community was with them, and that the times have changed. Hate wasn't going to be allowed to cloud the beauty of the lives that were lost. We lived in a new world. One where, sadly, there were still people with anger and hatred in their hearts, but those people were the minority, and they weren't going to be allowed to hurt the innocent people grieving and simply trying to survive. Some families planned counter-protests with their own twists in mind. For the funeral of 36-year-old Eric Ivan Ortiz Rivera, counter-protesters arrived as a group of motorcycle riders carrying American flags. It's something that would have made Eric smile. Eric was the type to embrace everyone, as long as they

liked his favorite team, the Pittsburgh Steelers. On the morning of his death, his husband of a year Ivan Dominguez frantically called him, his family, and the hotline. Desperate to find his soulmate. Here he is talking with Anderson Cooper from the heart about who his husband was and what the world lost. Right now, we want to learn more about Eric Ivan Ortiz Rivera. He was just 36 years old. Eric should be celebrating his one-year wedding anniversary 11 days from now. We're very sorry that that is not going to happen. But so grateful that Eric's husband, Ivan Dominguez, is with me tonight to tell us a little bit about their life together. Thank you so much.

No, thank you. So sorry to be here under these circumstances. Tell me about your husband. He was a wonderful person. How did you guys meet? We met at the nightclub back in 2007. What was it about? I drew you.

It was, we met through a friend, really good friend. His name is Leo that introduced us. But it's really funny, we got here at the same time, and the same year. I got here from Panama in 2007. And he came from part of the group? Exactly, in 2007. Right.

So we started in a really good friendship. And then we decided to, you know, date and then we got married. You've been friends since, what, 2007? Exactly. Okay. So you've been friends for a long time before you actually. So actually I can, we're very close. We were really close, so I unknown him very well.

What was that decision to get married? What was that like? When did you know he was the one you wanted to marry? You know, everything started with a friendship. So we decided to get together and spend the life together. And it's very curious because I was in June 26, 2015. And we went into the courthouse and we got married. and when we got out, we went to social media to share with everybody.

And in that moment, the 50 states got legalized. Right then. Exactly that same day, it was really an honor for us to got married in that specific day. It was a big coincidence. Yeah. And we didn't know. You had no idea what was going to happen. Exactly.

Wow. You wanted to thank, I mean, there's been such an outpouring of support and such an outpouring. and from, you know, police, medical personnel. You wanted to thank people, I know. I wanted to thank everybody that has been really helpful with us and that have reached us and make sure we're okay and helping with everything what we need from the government, all these associations that are willing to help when somebody needs.

And there's a specific tragedy because it was a big thing, you know. So the police department, fire department, the FBI, everybody that has been here for us. How are you so strong right now? Because I believe in a positive energy, and I believe that he is helping me to go through all this. I can feel it. Absolutely, yes.

I have been having long days every day. Since day one, when I was looking for him that Sunday, I left my apartment at 8 a.m., and I found him, I can say, because I would look for him the whole day. the afternoon and all and you spend the whole day looking for him to find out what it happened exactly so I feel like he has given me you know the opportunity to handle this in a good way and just I have to I have to and you want people to know

about this wonderful man that he was yes he was always wonderful person willing to help everybody put it putting everybody first and then him in the second place It was so much support for everything for me and all that means, you know. Now, throughout these funerals, there were some families who faced challenges that were completely out of their control. You see, the body of Omar Mateen was actually buried at a Muslim cemetery about three hours from Orlando. And disturbingly, some of his victims were actually buried just 30 yards away from him. One victim's family member said that they were considering having their loved one exhumed just to get them away from the shooter. Andrea Wade later said, I don't see her resting in peace among people

like that. One family said they were going to start a petition to have the gunman's body removed from the cemetery, but that never happened. And from now on, every time they go to visit their loved one at their grave, they know that the person who took their life is just a stones throw away. 49 funerals all happened within just days of one another. All beautiful, vibrant lives, snuffed out in a single night. But in the weeks after the shooting, there were a lot of conversations about what this attack meant.

Keep in mind, the police shooting took place less than a year after gay marriage was legalized in the United States. So for many people, this was a clear hate crime against the LGBTQ community,

something the media openly acknowledged. For decades, this community had fought for equality. Just 30 years prior, people across the country were still referring to the AIDS crisis as the gay plague, saying that it was God's will. But at the turn of the century, it felt like we were finally coming to a point where we were making progress. Then the pull shooting happened, and it felt like we took a huge step backwards. But I think the beautiful thing about this story is that even though the hate is so ugly and so loud at times,

the people who loved and supported the community far surpassed all the hatred. And in the wake of such tragedy, many found comfort in the fact that finally, their lives were being seen and valued. The funerals, memorials, and public discussions regarding the pulse shooting offered the world at large a place to gather and look at the tragedy of the shooting. But for many, it wasn't a headline. Families were forced to live on after burying their loved ones and forced to reconcile with what, they had been through in their final moments. In August of 2016, over two months after autopsies were completed, it was publicly reported that multiple victims had been shot numerous times

in the front and side of their bodies from a short distance. For the families, hearing the details and statistics read aloud was like learning about the shooting all over again. One person was shot 13 times and another 10 times. Over one third of the victims had a gunshot wound to their head. And shockingly, it was concluded that there were over-together. 200 gunshot wounds sustained by the 49 victims. And then there were the survivors, people who felt trapped between life and death,

grappling with the fact that they had managed to live. Little by little, those who were injured were released from the Orlando area hospitals. Nearly 60 people were hospitalized following the shooting, not counting the nine people who died from their injuries at the hospital. And though everyone who survived had been released, their journeys had just begun. Tony Marrero, who was shot four times across his lower back and through his left arm, was originally told that he may lose his arm. He laid in his hospital bed for days in immense pain, going through surgery after surgery.

His left arm miraculously was saved due to an extensive skin graft, though the long recovery after wasn't for the week. He struggled to get out of bed every day due to the excruciating pain, and only did so when he was encouraged by his nurse, Marta, who would playfully tug at him, yelling, Tony, Tony, get up until he rose to his feet. He was held in the hospital for two long weeks and after was sent to do intensive physical therapy

in an effort to regain his full range of motion. Here he is, talking to MTV as he underwent a physical therapy session and had a professional redressing his wounds. People think because I got released from the hospital and I'm in rehab right now, that I'm okay. I'm not okay. Is that thing okay because it's hurting? I'm still connected to a machine because of my back.

I have a hole in my back. Just got to cover these sticks later. Okay. My arm is still shattered. I'm wrapping up. It's healing, but I don't have movement in my two fingers. I don't want to look. I'm not okay.

I'm not okay and that's only physical. I can't even start with mentally. I'm not nearly okay. I got so much stuff going on. For Tony, every single day was a struggle, but he wasn't going it alone. Ultimately, he was able to return to his old job at Universal Studios where he started working as a performer. He told Orlando health, to be able to perform now on a daily basis is a true testament to perseverance and resilience and never giving up. Tony has been outspoken about his experience and what it took to overcome what he experienced at Pulse. However, some survivors weren't ready to speak publicly following the shooting. It was too traumatizing to relive the events that transpired on the morning of June 12th, 2016,

and, looking at what they underwent, it's easy to understand why. 30-year-old Felipe Marrero had been shot in the back four times, and although he could hardly sit up in his hospital bed, he reunited with his friend, Joseph Rivera, and the two took a photo together. Some survivors were forced to stay in the hospital for months. Jeff Rodriguez, who was shot in both legs, was confined to a wheelchair and kept in the hospital for two months as he underwent six different surgeries.

His brother Santos later said, quote, he's learning how to walk now, so it's kind of hard for him. He can't stand up for too long because he starts to get dizzy. He'll throw up. It's therapy three times a day. I know he had skin graft surgery three days ago. He has a big, big hole in his right leg. End quote.

Ultimately, Jeff was released to a physical therapy and rehab facility, where he was re-taught how to walk. And there were dozens of victims just like him. people who had to learn how to walk all over again, how to use their hands, how to function with chronic pain. Over three months, victims were slowly released from the hospitals, one by one, into their brand new world. Their lives were forever marked by before pulse and after pulse. It wasn't until September 6, 2016, 86 days after the shooting, when the final survivor was released from the hospital. And with each new person released, the voices of the survivors and their families grew louder and louder.

And above all, they had two important questions. Why had Omar Mateen done this? And how could they prevent it from ever happening again? Omar Mateen's motive has been a part of the conversation since the early morning hours of June 12th. And really, it was Omar who presented the first possible motive to the public. If you recall, when he made his first 911 call while he was barricaded inside the bathroom at Pulse, he had a very pointed message for police, one that immediately made law enforcement believe that Omar was committing a terrorist attack.

In his call, he stated, I pledge allegiance to Abu Bakar al-Baghdadi of the Islamic State. It's been recorded. What? I want to let you know, I'm in Orlando. And I did the shooting. What's your name? My name is I pledge of allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi of the Islamic State. I pledge my allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, Hasid al-Baghdadi, on behalf of the Islamic State.

Where are you at? In Orlando. If you aren't familiar, al-Baghdadi was the Caliph or leader of the Islamic State, ISIS, or ISIL, from 2014 to 2019. In his series of 911 calls, Omar continued telling the U.S. that they needed to stop bombing foreign countries. You have to tell killing a lot of innocent people. So what am I to do here when people are getting killed over there? You get what I'm saying? I do.

I completely get what you're saying. What I'm trying to do is prevent anybody else from getting in. They need to stop the U.S. airstrikes. They need to stop the U.S. air strikes, okay? I understand that. They need to stop the U.S. air strikes. You have to tell the U.S. government. to stop bombing.

They're killing too many children. They're killing too many women. I understand that. All of Omar's calls pointed to his attack being politically motivated. I mean, he said it himself. Initially, law enforcement was terrified that they were facing a coordinated terrorist attack from ISIS, one that would rapidly grow into something even more deadly than the shooting. So immediately following Omar Mateen's death, law enforcement descended upon his

home. In a thorough search of his house, they took all of his devices. Initially, they were hunting for a connection, any communication with members of ISIS, or a coordinated terrorist group. They searched through emails, texts, apps, phone calls, any and all communication that Omar had with anyone. And they found, well, nothing. No text with others regarding radical beliefs. No documents, calls or images linking him to ISIS. Omar hadn't been talking with anyone about initiating an attack on American soil. For the most part, his texts with loved ones were normal, average. For investigators, it wasn't Omar's communication that painted him as a terrorist.

It was his search history. Frequently, from 2014 up to the day of the massacre, Omar searched for more and more radical content online. He watched beheading videos, ISIS attacks, and eventually jihadist messaging. Nearly every day in 2016, sometimes multiple times a day, he watched videos titled,

New Message from the Islamic State. These videos pushed ISIS beliefs and violent rhetoric and digestible, inspiring, quote, bits, and calls to action. This obsessive interest that grew over time, as well as his lack of communication with any outside sources,

led the FBI to believe that Omar wasn't and never had been actually associated with ISIS. he had been self-radicalized, which really is just a way to say that he consumed content that was designed to push his ideology into radical violent territory. Following the FBI's search of his devices, President Barack Obama presented the FBI's findings at a news conference. The one thing that we can say is that this is being treated as a terrorist investigation. It appears that the shooter was inspired by

various extremist information that was disseminated over the internet. All those materials are currently being searched, exploited, so we will have a better sense of the pathway that the killer took in making a decision to launch this attack. As Director Comey, I think, will indicate at this stage, we see no clear evidence that he was directed externally. It does appear that at the last minute, he announced allegiance to ISIL,

but there is no evidence so far that he was in fact directed by ISIL, and there also at this stage is no direct evidence that he was part of a larger plot. In that sense, it appears to be similar to what we saw in San Bernardino, but we don't yet know. And this is part of what is going to be important in terms of the investigation. There were other things Omar did that indicated that he had been self-radicalized and was acting entirely alone. During one of his 911 calls as he held victims hostage at Pulse, Omar stated,

my home boy Tamerlind Sarnayev did his thing in the Boston Marathon, okay? So now it's my turn, okay? Tamerlind Sarnayev and his brother, Zokar, killed three people. and injured more than 500 when they planted two pressure cooker bombs near the end of the finish line of the Boston Marathon. We actually covered that case in episodes 101 and 102 of this podcast. But initially, much like Omar, rumors spread that the Boston Marathon attack was committed by ISIS. Many claimed that the brothers had traveled to Russia where they were trained and radicalized. But as the FBI looked more closely, they found a search history not much different than Omar's, and eventually determined that the brothers

were lone wolf terrorists that had been radicalized online. Dr. Layla Faire of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security has outlined the four phases of self-radicalization. In her study, what are the four stages of radicalization, why extremists act? She writes, Stage one is the individual's first exposure to radical ideology, often from terrorist group members.

The internet friends and even family members can be involved at this stage. The person feels disenfranchised and disconnected from conventional. America, especially the U.S. government. Stage two is when an individual begins to accept the idea of radical ideology. After hearing it over and over for months, they start to see how the extremist ideology links to their own beliefs in current situation. The individual will identify as a victim and feel that violent action is a heroic response to the injustice.

It is important to note that suicidal ideation can be a high risk factor for extremists at this stage on the path to violence. The third stage is when someone expressing extreme views moves away from the First Amendment's protection of free speech and has the intent to commit a crime. This stage is known as the acceptance of violence stage. That person has moved beyond simply reading radical extremist material to advocating for violence and expressing violent extremist beliefs. Stage four is the final stage of radicalization and when self-actualization happens. The person has moved beyond research and planning and starts to prepare for an actual. incident. To law enforcement, those four steps were visible in both the Boston Marathon bombers

and an Omar Mateen. They felt an emptiness and hatred that they filled by making themselves believe they were justified and a part of something. CIA veteran Paul Piller stated, quote, groups such as ISIS are less prime movers of terrorism and more of a name and a cause to which radicals attach themselves to believe that they are acting on behalf of something larger than themselves and their own demons and grievances." And quote, Omar Mateen had plenty of demons and plenty of grievances. And after a thorough search, investigative agencies were certain that Omar hadn't had any actual contact with ISIS. But soon after that announcement was made, ISIS actually claimed

responsibility for the pulse attack, stating, quote, The attack that targeted a nightclub for homosexuals in Orlando, Florida, and that left more than 100 dead and wounded, was carried out by an Islamic state fighter. When the attack was officially labeled terrorism, many LGBTQ-plus advocates argued that it should also be considered a hate crime. City Commissioner Patty Sheehan said the shooter undoubtedly targeted the LGBTQ-plus community, pointing out that he chose a gay nightclub and had reportedly looked into other similar venues.

In her view, calling it only terrorism ignored the role of anti-LGBQ plus hatred. Others took a more mixed view. Ron Hooper of the FBI said the attack could be seen as both terrorism and a hate crime, but not everyone agreed. Jerry Demings, Chief of Orlando Police, pushed back on that interpretation, believing that it was simply an act of terrorism. As professionals disagreed, the media spoke with those close to Omar Martine. And to say the media had a field day with this would be an honest.

understatement because immediately a prevailing theory became that Omar was actually a closeted homosexual. Within days of the massacre, people began to claim that Omar was irregular at Pulse. Ty Smith told the Orlando Sentinel, sometimes he would go over in the corner and sit and drink by himself, and other times he would get so drunk he was loud and belligerent. Ty claimed that Omar had been inside the nightclub at least a dozen times. Although he stated that Omar mostly kept to himself, when he did speak, he often talked about his father and told people that he had a wife and child. According to Ty, Omar allegedly mentioned that he wasn't allowed to drink at home because of his family.

One regular even claimed that Omar once pulled out a knife at the nightclub after someone made a joke about his Muslim faith. However, these claims have never been verified. And the fact that Pulse was a four-hour round trip from Omar's home made him visiting unlikely. Now, investigators did track his cell phone and it had never been in the vicinity of Pulse, except for the night of the attack. There were several gay bars much closer to where Omar lived, but when rumors began to spread that Omar was gay, his father, Sadiq, protested the idea,

claiming that his son was essentially homophobic. Did he ever talk about homosexuality? Except one time that we were in Miami, we saw the behavior of one couple, and he got a little bit ticked off. What did he say? Nothing, just look at this. What did you say?

Well, there were two guys were kissing each other in front of the family and kids. Omar's father would go on to say that he has no idea why his son committed the shooting. He said, I don't know what caused it. I never figured out that he had a grudge in his heart. I am grief-stricken. We are apologizing for the whole incident. We are in shock like the whole country. But once this information came out about Omar possibly being gay, people began asking questions.

Was Omar struggling with internalized homophobia? Did he hate himself? Or did he hate gay people because he saw some of them in him? Another pulse regular, Kevin West, claimed that he and Omar frequently exchanged messages over the gay dating app, Adam for Adam. Kevin said, it wasn't about hookups. He would say, let's meet up for a drink. I come to Orlando a lot. From there, scores of people reached out to the media, claiming they had either seen Omar on LGBTQ plus dating apps

or that they had actually gone on a date with him. One man who identified himself as Miguel came forward and claimed he had a two-month relationship with Omar. According to him, the two met on Grindr. During an interview with Univision, Miguel altered his appearance with a mask and disguised his voice. He claimed that recently Omar had a threesome with a Puerto Rican man who told him after the encounter that he was HIV positive. He stated that Omar's attack wasn't one of terrorism but one of revenge, targeting Puerto Rican and Hispanic men because of the raid she had. that the possibility he had been exposed to HIV and may have exposed his wife to it. Federal agents had three meetings in total with Miguel and ultimately concluded that there was

no credible evidence that Miguel and Omar ever had a sexual relationship of any kind. The public, however, was already running with a story. Perhaps because we all want a motive to be clear. But in this case, it didn't appear to be that simple. After extensive searches of the shooter's computer, cell phones, and other electronic media, It was determined that he did not target Pulse because it was a venue for members of the LGBTQ plus community. If you recall, prior to the attack on Pulse, Omar went to two other locations first, Disney Springs and Eve Nightclub. And in the days prior to the attack, he actually looked up live cams of populated areas like Disney and Universal.

Witnesses confirmed that during the attack, the shooter made no homophobic. remarks. And in fact, when he entered the club the first time, acting as a customer, he reportedly asked the security guard on duty, where are all the girls? Almost as if he was completely unaware that Pulse was a gay nightclub. So according to investigators, it was not a hate crime. They suggested that the attack on Pulse was a convenient target because of limited security and the large number of people who gathered there that night. Now I do want to point out that even if he didn't specifically target Pulse, because it was a gay nightclub, I completely understand why people think it's a hate crime. Whether intentional or not, the LGBTQ community lost dozens of their

people that night. And for the survivors, they are still fighting, even 10 years later. Now to this day, there is still debate over how to classify the post-night club shooting, whether it was an act of terrorism, a hate crime, or both. For many, the hatred that the attack incited towards the LGBTQ community and the months and weeks following it made it so that the original intent didn't matter. Many victims faced comments online, claiming that the attack was God's will to rid the world of homosexuals and teach them a lesson for their sins. and for a community that was already grieving so much, it was an incredibly difficult time for them.

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criticized law enforcement for their response to the Orlando shooting. Survivor Tiaro Parker put it pretty simply when she publicly stated, they took too damn long. And she isn't wrong. Tiaro was one of the victims who was trapped inside the bathroom with a shooter for hours, as her loved one died in her arms. Agencies, however, defended themselves, saying that the delay in response came because they weren't in an active shooter situation,

but a hostage situation. Orlando police chief John Mina claimed that they had reason to believe that sending officers into the bathroom would have led to more civilians being killed. Former SWAT team member in McKinney, Texas, Chris Grulnick said, The guy already demonstrated that he had a propensity for violence and that he was going to kill people because he already started. They had text messages that people were bleeding out. He added that police training had changed since the 1999 Columbine High School shooting, saying the number one priority is stopping the shooter.

It doesn't matter if you end up shooting someone on accident. it doesn't matter as a police officer if you get shot. It doesn't matter if your partner goes down. You do not stop until you stop the shooter, period, full stop, and that did not happen at the Pulse nightclub. And to say that didn't happen is an understatement. Omar Mateen barricaded himself in the north restroom at 2.10 a.m., just eight minutes after the shooting began.

Despite this, victims were left in not just the north restroom, but also the south restroom, bleeding out and dying until at least 5.17 a.m. when the wall was finally breached. For dozens of people, they spend hours alone in the room with the gunmen. And the entire time, calls like the one you're about to hear were flooding in. We are in the bathroom in pulse. There's two people in here that are about to die. There's four already dead. Someone needs to come in here now. Listen, I understand. I understand. And I know you're scared. We have help coming to you, okay?

You're in the house. We've been in here. I understand. They have to secure the scene, okay? Can I send someone in here? These two people are going to bleed out. Four is not trying to stick because someone doesn't come in here. Okay.

And you're in the restroom? Yes. Which restroom we walk down with our hand up? No. We're not telling you to do that yet. No, no. Someone needs to get sent in here then. Someone is just one person, someone, a paramedic.

What is your name? How many people are in there? There's about 15 of us. Deceived. And how many are deceased? One, two, one, three, four that I can see. Okay. And then one and two are about, without,

talk to me. Demetrius Nolings, a survivor of, a survivor of, of the shooting and friend of one of the victims gave his opinion regarding the police response in the documentary 49 pulses. I'm mad that my best friend had to lay there and die. Why didn't they move in? I mean, that's their job title is to take a bullet, right? Serving protect.

I mean, you guys have armor. You have all the right tools and success to do it. But that's the me being mad side. But me being human, if I was put in that situation, would I want to go in or what I want to wait and try to think about what we're gonna do because we've never been in a situation like this before and we don't understand what to do?

I get that she probably wasn't prepared. But if your plan was to come busting through the walls the way y'all did, you put us at risk regardless. because this man was saying he had bombs. And then to find out that they were in the building the whole time, y'all should have just came in the bathroom. Reportedly, 16 people who ultimately died inside of Pulse had survivable wounds. Although it was never publicly reported that anyone bled out from their wounds,

it was obvious that if law enforcement had intervened faster, lives could have been saved. But there was nothing prompt about their response. Orlando PD, however, argued that they had acted in accordance with their protocol. Because they believed the shooter had a bomb, they couldn't rush in recklessly and cause more casualties. Their main priority was to contain the situation, protect as many people as they could, and follow procedures to protect themselves, hostages, and bystanders. Now, as we mentioned, the shooter had been trained in security, so he likely knew if he stated he had a bomb and hostages, it would delay the situation.

However, Christopher Drew Linoen's mother, Christine, felt very differently, and she had experienced to back up her opinion. Here she is, speaking in the documentary, 49 pulses. Are you angry that it took the Orlando police SWAT over three hours to take down the killer? Of course I'm angry because I was a police officer myself for over 10 years, 10 and a half years. This is an active shooter. He's killing people. You have to put yourself as a police officer. If you don't want that job, get another job.

But as a police officer, you have to put yourself between the victim and the shooter so that you can protect society. You're a protector. You're not a coward. You protect people. Why are the police acting like their heroes, and they've done such a good job, when there's so much glaring incompetence? It's almost like they're doing the opposite by saying how great they were.

They're getting the heat off them for what really happened. The medical examiner will verify that some died from non-fatal wounds from bleeding to death. The FBI and the Florida Department of Law Enforcement conducted a full investigation into Orlando PD's response. They reviewed 911 calls, police radio, radio, traffic, ballistic reports, video footage, and witness statements. And through everything, they determined that the officers did nothing wrong. Ultimately, they said they followed protocol. And while we aren't FBI agents, looking at the footage made us feel very different.

It actually reminded us a lot of the Yuvalde shooting. Body cam footage of the nearly four-hour ordeal often shows officers standing outside of Pulse, texting, looking at their phones, and at times chatting about sports, the weather, or anything in between. All the while, just feet away, people were trapped with a madman and slowly, painfully dying. On December 18, 2017, more than one year after the shooting, the Department of Justice released its findings in a 200-page review. The incident review of the Orlando Public Safety response to the attack on the Pulse nightclub indicated that the Orlando Police Department, as well as other law enforcement agencies, responded in a consistent manner. It stated,

the tactical response by the OPD was consistent with the department's policies, procedures, and training, as well as recognized practices. The OPD successfully leveraged existing relationships with federal, state, and local public safety agencies in their response to the Pulse nightclub terrorist attack. OPD leadership prioritized the mental health of all OPD personnel following the response to the Pulse attack. Pre-existing Orlando police community relationships, fostered and sustained over time, enhanced the resilience of the community in the aftermath of the Pulse terrorist shooting. In addition, the final result of rescuing hostages was seemed justified.

It read, The initial tactical response was consistent with the OPD's active shooter training and recognized promising practices. However, as the incident became more complex and prolonged, transitioning from a barricaded suspect with hostages to an act of terrorism, the OPD's operational tactics and strategies were challenged by the increasing threat posed by the suspect's claim of improvised explosive devices inside the club and in vehicles surrounding the club. Through a review of 9-1-1 transcripts, a total of 603 during the duration of the shooting, ballistics reports, evidence, crime scene documentation, FBI reports, and classified information, they also stated that no victims were hit by friendly fire. All shots to the deceased and injured came from the shooter's weapons.

But this is where things get a little controversial. And the reports published by the U.S. Department of Justice, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, and the FBI, it states that at 2.17, a SWAT commander fired shots at the subversial. suspect, Omar Mateen. And the DOJ report in particular, it reads, quote, the SWAT commander and sergeant in the West Bar area fired shots at the suspect. The SWAT commander was heard yelling, let me see your hands now, just prior to firing his weapon, end quote. Here is the actual body cam of that moment. But according to the victims on scene, it wasn't Omar Mateen that. that police unleashed rounds at.

It was survivor, Norman Cassiano Mojica. After being shot several times in the South bathroom, Norman dragged his body through the bathroom stall and out into the hallway to get medical attention. But when he opened the door, he was met with police officers pointing a weapon at him. Now, given the situation, that's pretty understandable. At this point, officers had no idea who their suspect was.

But what happened next is a little less understandable. Norman was ordered to raise his arms. However, due to his injuries, he couldn't. Bleeding on the ground, he yelled out to the officers that he couldn't lift his arms. But before he had the chance to finish what he was saying, they fired. Fortunately, Norman was not hit. Eventually, he was able to comply with the officer's commands and crawled forward, where they searched him for weapons, before sending him off for medical care.

Now, when this information came out, there were a lot of people who had a lot of things to say about the officer shooting at a victim at all. But for us, the real problem of the situation comes not with what was done, but what officers swore under oath to? Both of the officers who fired, Lieutenant Smith and Sergeant Bacchus,

swore under oath that they had fired at the gunmen. yet the person they fired at was proven to be a victim. And making a mistake on the field is one thing, but lying about an entire incident under oath is another. In 2019, the state's attorney's office conducted an investigation, which ultimately confirmed Norman's account. It was he that the police shot at, not the suspect. Now, we want to make it clear.

The things that the first responders saw inside of pulse and the situation they found themselves in were absolutely horrific. and we have all the respect in the world for what they had to do that day. For hours on end, some officers loaded victims into vehicles, held their hands as they cried, and shepherded them to safety. Several officers struggle with PTSD to this day from the sheer carnage that took place at Pulse. Orlando police officer Jerry Reelan spoke candidly about his experience with PTSD and what he went through that day.

He was called early on June 12th to prepare bodies to be taken to the morgue. usually people on the scene work short shifts but despite the lack of AC the severity of the scene and the exhaustion that Jerry felt he didn't want someone to relieve him in his words we had already been there

we were already ruined no one else should have to see that so for 16 hours he worked tirelessly when he finally got home at 2.30 a.m. the following morning he peeled off his bloody clothes and immediately threw them away then he got in the shower outside the door, his wife listened as he wailed over and over,

I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. In time, it became clear that he was speaking to the victims. Speaking on the trauma that Pulse left him with, he stated, I've never been the same since, I can't go back. As a result, he began to have recurring nightmares and flashbacks of the smell inside the club. Eventually, he was diagnosed with PTSD and was referred to a psychiatrist. In July 2017, he was medically approved for the disability pension due to his inability to return to his former police duties. There were heroes in Pulse that night, officers who saved

lives, who comforted the victims, who went above and beyond. And sadly, those are the officers who suffered the most. Horrifically, six months after the shooting, two first responders died by suicide. When Eatonville police officer Omar Delgado's shift ended, on the morning of June of June, 12th, 2016, he pulled into his driveway and sat in silence. It was difficult to process everything he witnessed. After 15 minutes of sitting in his car, he went inside, stripped off his bloody uniform, and took a shower. He desperately tried to block out what he had just seen, but his life would never be the same. Outside the Orlando Fire Department Station 5, there was a pool of coagulated blood that EMT Brian Stillwell had to clean with bleach and water.

The blood came from a victim who was shot in the stomach. As he scrubbed it on the concrete, the only thing he could think of over and over was whether the person who left it had lived or died. He never found out. What these officers and many more witnessed inside Pulse was horrific, scenes of devastation that no one should ever have to see or endure. When many of them finally returned home, it was hard to shut off the memories.

Some broke down in tears, holding their family members close. Although most of them had responded to gruesome scenes, murders, car accidents, and suicides, pulse was different. Tragically, it would be the beginning of a new life for them, one filled with nightmares, flashbacks, anger, and panic attacks. At least five, but possibly many more, would be officially diagnosed with PTSD. Officer Delgado stated that he had a reoccurring nightmare

of seeing bodies piled up on the dance floor. In his dream, he started to grab survivors from the club, only to be interrupted by the sound of gunshots. The smell of blood, gunpowder, death, and liquor would never leave. Another first responder, Josh Granada, has been transparent about his experience with PTSD. He talked about seeing a vision of blood running down his driveway and into a storm drain. He said, and I knew it wasn't there, but I saw it play in his day.

And that's what it was that night. The night we were there, that's exactly what it looked like. There were so many people dying and bleeding behind Einstein that it was literally a pool that was coming down the driveway and running into the gutters. And I just remember that image. And it still sticks with me. I can still see it. Mary Wilson told my news.

As a first responder, You want to protect your family and you protect the people. So it's not something you can go home and talk about. For first responders, we keep it inside, and it's not in us to talk about what we're going through. Also, it seems like a sign of weakness. Mary struggled with suicidal thoughts and was fired from her position in 2018, but she eventually got the help she needed and moved to Colorado to pursue a career as a mental health counselor.

Unfortunately, the stigma surrounding PTSD still remains. One lead in the Orlando Police Department, who was unnamed, reportedly stated in a meeting following the shooting, these pansies need to toughen up. Following something as horrific as pulse, that's the last thing any of the first responders who were there need to do. There's someone else who is deeply affected by this tragedy that we haven't touched on yet. Not a victim that was there or a first responder or a family member of someone who died. But a victim of Omar in a very different way. If you recall, on the night of the shooting, Omar texted his wife, Noor, just after 4 a.m., sending his last text saying, I love you. But by the time the text came in, Nor was asleep. Shortly after, however, she was jolted awake by her phone ringing.

When she answered, she was met with the command of an officer with the Fort Pierce Police Department. And it was simple. Come outside now. Confused and disoriented, Nor was. walked outside of her home, still wearing her pajamas. There in the shadows of her yard, officers watched her, crouched behind trees with her in the sights of their rifles. At the time, they believed that the apartment may have been rigged to explode based on the threats Omar had made. They ordered Noor to come forward. They grabbed her and brought her in for questioning regarding

the shooting, while others cleared the house for bombs. Now what happened next is, a little mind-boggling, so stay with us here. But Nor was transported to a nearby FBI headquarters office, where she was questioned regarding her knowledge of the shooting for 18 hours. Now, if it was available, we would play some clips from that interrogation. It was neither video nor audio recorded. Now, why the FBI didn't record an interrogation with a suspected terrorist, we can't tell you. But the fact that Nor was interrogated, interrogated for that length of time, without any true record of what she said, became a huge point of contention, not just in the media, but at Noor's eventual trial. In the 18-hour interrogation,

Nor allegedly broke down after a repeated questioning. And there, she claimed that she had known Omar was going to commit the mass shooting, and that the two had even scoped out possible locations, including Pulse. After Nor confessed to having knowledge of the shooting and her husband's plans, she was released, but not for long. Well, today, federal agents arrested the widow

of the Orlando Nightclub gunman, Omar Mateen. She's not accused of having a direct role in the deaths of 49 people last June, but she does face charges connected to the massacre. Mark Strassman has the latest. FBI agents arrested 30-year-old Noor Salman at this home in Rodeo, California, near San Francisco. She had been living here with her four-year-old son, her mother, and her younger sister. Neighbor Glauber Franci...

They're a very private family. All their blinds are closed all the time, windows shine, so even from the backyard, you can't see nothing. Police say Omar Mateen terrorized the Pulse Nightclub right after last call by shooting and killing indiscriminately. FBI investigators interviewed Salman for hours after the attack. Sources tells CBS news, Salman is expected to be charged with aiding and abetting and obstruction of justice. In the weeks leading up to the shooting, sources say she accompanied Matein when he bought ammunition used in the attack

and was with him during surveillance trips to Pulse and to Disney World, which investigators believe Meteen may also have considered as a target. About two hours into the massacre, law enforcement sources tell us, Matine texted his wife. Where are you? she asked. Do you see what's happening? he replied. No, she said.

Finally, he wrote, I love you, babe. In an interview with the New York Times in November, Salman insists Matine abused her and that she was unaware of everything about his nightclub assault. Her attorney, Linda Moreno, said in a statement, Nor Salman had no foreknowledge, nor could she predict what Omer Mateen intended to do that tragic night. We believe it is misguided and wrong to prosecute her. Norr's trial took place in 2018 following the Post Nightclub shooting. Prosecutors argued that based on her alleged confession, she knew about her husband's plans and that she helped him scout possible targets before the attack.

The defense, however, pushed back, arguing that Nor had been coerced into a confession and that the lack of recorded proof of her interview made it an admit. Now on top of that, the statement she made, claiming to have gone to scope out pulse, prior to the shooting, were refuted by GPS data on the couple's phones, as well as the fact that the day of the shooting, Omar searched for several locations before landing on Pulse. But the prosecutors had more arguments to make. They repeatedly pointed to the fact that Nor had gone to buy ammo with Omar and that he had taken her on a shopping spree before his death. Nor team countered this, stating that at the time, Omar had told Nor that he had gotten accepted into the police academy. He stated that he needed ammo to practice shooting for work, and the gifts that he bought her and her son were to celebrate their new phase of life. The defense also stated primarily, Nor was only sitting on the stand because people were angry and they needed someone to blame. The shooter was dead, and they needed a new target.

And whether Nor had any knowledge or not, she became that target. During her trial, protesters held signs that read, quote, Fry her till she has no pulse. It appeared everyone had already made up their minds when it came to Nor's knowledge of the attack. However, public opinion in the court of law are two very different things. Ultimately, Nor was found not guilty of aiding and abetting, and not guilty of obstruction of justice. Tonight, Nor Salmon leaving the courthouse without a word.

It's a great day for Ms. Salman. Her attorneys reacting to the not guilty verdicts. I think she was overwhelmed. I think we were all overwhelmed. But outside the Pulse Nightclub where Salman's husband, Omar Mateen, launched his massacre, killing 49 people, outrage from victims' families. She knew that her husband was doing what he was doing and shame on her. I am in this belief.

I feel like we've been slapped in the face. As of the publishing of this episode, Noor lives in California with her family and her son who's in his teens now. She has legally changed her son's name and has tried to distance herself from the shooting as much as possible. But for many, finding that distance is impossible. With every anniversary comes a new wave of pain and at the same time, a new opportunity to bond with one another. On the year anniversary of the massacre, Orlando United Day honored the 49 victims. and survivors. The message focused on love rather than hate.

There were numerous events including a 5K race, late night vigils, a concert featuring Orlando Gay Chorus, and a remembrance ceremony outside the nightclub that was decorated with messages of hope and love. Good afternoon. That night, we lost 49 angels, 49 individuals of our LGBT

community, of our Hispanic community, of our African-American community, of our Orlando community. And when we saw so many of our law enforcement come in to save the day for so many other victims who could have lost their lives, when we saw our EMTs and firefighters help stabilize so many folks who were on the brink,

and when we saw our medical professionals come in to help so many so that they could be alive and well. The next day, the outpouring of love was throughout our community, whether it be those of us who went to the blood bank, those of us who contributed food or money online to help out so many of our families. But we still have so much to do. There are still so many families mourning their losses.

There are still so many victims who are rehabilitating and are recovering. There are still so many policy issues that we have to address to make our families. our community is safer. And so we will always remember. We will always be one Orlando. And I wish you all love and happiness and kindness on this day where we remember the victims. Thank you all. Be blessed. Keep God in your heart. Keep love in your heart. Love on one another. Hold on to one another. We are all we have. Never lose sight of the love that you have for each other. Remember? This event, this horrible, tragic event brought us all together. And I want you all to remember that.

The person next to you in front of you, behind you, to your left, they're all your brothers. Remember that always. Love wins. Love you all. For years, on the anniversary of the shooting, people gathered outside the shuttered doors of Pulse to pay their respects. Others, however, did their best to avoid the building as much as they could. understandably, the site was too much for some to bear. In the years since the shooting, there's been a kind of back and forth as to what they wanted to do with the building.

In August of 2016, Pulse's owners Barbara Poma and Ron Legler announced that they were going to convert the nightclub into a public memorial. The club had always meant something special to them. In 2004, they purchased the building to create a safe haven for members of the LGBT community. Barbara named it Pulse in honor of her brother John, who passed away from AIDS. She stated, quote, the club is named for John's Pulse to live on, end quote. And over the years, it had become just that for hundreds, if not thousands of people, a place where those could be themselves and feel loved. So the owners felt like making it a memorial would be the best way to honor that.

The owner of the Pulse Nightclub says that the site will become a permanent memorial and a museum to honor the 49 people who were killed during the worst mass shooting in modern U.S. history. The idea is to comfort loved ones now and to educate future generations about the importance of tolerance. This community-driven effort is intended to ultimately support the construction and maintenance of a permanent memorial, community grants to care for the survivors and victims' families, endowed scholarships for each of the 49 angels and eventually a museum showcasing historic artifacts and stories from the event. The owner offered few concrete details, including a timeline for building the memorial, but she did say the design and content will be decided in large part by survivors and family members.

In September of 2016, the chain link fence that surrounded the club was removed. In its place, they put up a permanent barrier where artists, visitors, and mourners decorated it. with art and messages of love. Over the years, although Orlando was already a tourist city with Disney World and Universal, an influx of visitors also started visiting Pulse during their vacations.

But a couple months later, in November of 2016, the city of Orlando agreed to purchase the property for $2.25 million to, quote, create something to honor the memory of the victims that are deceased and those that were injured. and a testament to the resilience of our community. Then in December 2016, Barbara Poma changed her mind and refused to sell the nightclub to the city. The club simply meant too much to her.

Instead, she announced in May 2017 that the One Pulse Foundation, a nonprofit organization that she founded, would fund a permanent memorial and museum. The project was estimated to cost around $100 million. Barbara compared the location to Sacred Ground and the Pulse Memorial and the Pulse Memorial and museum was slated to open in 2022, and funding for the Foundation even received support from various celebrities, including Lady Gaga, Ellen DeGeneres, and Andy Cohen. However, in late 2003, the original plans for the Pulse Memorial and Museum were permanently suspended, halting the project. And for a while, everything kind of sat in limbo. There was a lot of debate at the time

over whether the memorial should be there at all. Christopher Linoen's mother, Christine, did not agree with the plans for the memorial. She wanted the memorial to be somewhere else, far from where her son and his boyfriend were violently murdered. Brandon Wolf said, for survivors, the last time they were in that space was the worst night possible. It will be really hard to be in that space again. Others, though, felt like it needed to be there where that horrible night had gone down in order to truly move on from it. Now, ultimately, the city of Orlando purchased the Pulse site. Their plans were to tear down the building and build a permanent memorial in its place. But before the demolition started, the city of Orlando wanted to give those personally

affected by the shooting an opportunity to visit the building one last time. In June of 2025, they organized a private event where they escorted families and survivors throughout the building. We start now at 11 tonight with a true first for survivors of Pulse and those who lost loved ones. We've heard them. We've listened to them. And they've said very clearly, we want to see it for one last time before it's gone.

And tonight, those wishes are being honored by the city of Orlando. Good evening. I'm Ginger Gadsden. Thank you for joining us. Matt has the night off. Tonight, Central Florida remembers the 49 lives lost in the Pulse nightclub shooting nine years ago. A solemn night of reflection, especially for a group of survivors and parents who lost loved ones on that tragic night, June 12, 2016. They were the first of several groups allowed inside the club, returning to the very place where their lives changed forever.

Orlando Community Correspondent, Troy Campbell, is at Pulse, with one mom's powerful reaction. We watched several buses stop here at Pulse Nightclub filled with victims, families, and survivors so they could take a tour. We spoke with one mother after she had a walkthrough of the building. Over 20 people died on that dance floor. the dance floor that I just walked around. And it's heartbreaking as a mother.

Christine Linen, mother of Christopher Drew Linen, spoke about her walkthrough of the Pulse Nightclub on Wednesday. I was trying to picture, well, where was Christopher? And why did Christopher end up dying right there on the dance floor and couldn't make it out? And where was he? What was he seeing? Why was he not able to see like an exit door? Buses filled with victims, families and survivors, leaving a nearby downtown Orlando hotel on Wednesday, headed to the Pulse nightclub.

The city says there were 34 people who stepped foot inside Pulse on Wednesday. I needed to see the space. I needed to see how big it was. I definitely, I wanted to see it. It's not closure. It's realistic. Wednesday's group were just the first of many expected during the next few days. The city of Orlando says 25 of 49 families have requested a walkthrough of the nightclub before the building is demolished. It's something that I've never been here, never been through there.

They are planning on demolishing it. I'm never going to be given the opportunity again. I would have regretted it if I didn't go through it. And I needed to see where my son took his last breath. The city hopes to have construction of the permanent memorial. completed by summer of 2027. Linenin says she's thankful she walked through the building. As painful as it is, it's nowhere near as painful as what my son experienced that night.

I just, how would I, how could walking through even compare to what he went through? And more tours of the building for victims, families and survivors are expected to take place again on Thursday through Saturday. Some journalists and members of the media were also allowed to tour the club. They described the inside of Pulse as still feeling like a nightclub. The disco balls glistened overhead. The front desk remained. Television's were mounted and speakers surrounded the dance floor. But missing were the various pieces of furniture and the dance floor where 20 bodies were located.

As everyone walked through it that day, you could feel that something horrible had happened here. which is exactly why not everyone wanted to do it. Not everyone wanted to remember. Survivor George Hernandez planned to walk through the nightclub for closure, but at the last minute decided against it. For him, the pain truly never goes away. Every single day of his life serves as a reminder of that night, not only from the physical scars,

but also from the bullet that remains lodged in his body. Here he is speaking with the media on why he decides, decided not to enter the nightclub. I want to stay out. And then I want to finish close disaster of my life because I want to keep going with my life. And I want to be 20 years. Repeat this for 20 years.

I'm tired already. I want to be good with my life and keep going. And keep going strong because it's not easy. I think, like, every day, it's feel like, yesterday. While the status of the club hovered in limbo on and off, and victims and their families held mixed feelings on it, the city decided to make a simple change. On October 10th, 2017, a rainbow-colored crossing was painted outside of Pulse Nightclub to honor the 49 victims. For years, the crosswalk stood as a vivid, permanent reminder of the lives lost and the resilience of the local

LGBTQ-plus community. However, disgustingly, on August 21st, verse 2025, this memorial crosswalk was painted over by the Florida Department of Transportation silently in the middle of the night. Orlando Mayor Buddy Dyer said this was a cruel political act. Others were outraged and expressed their opinions over social media. And in a very weak response, the Florida Department of Transportation issued a statement, saying, as the State Highway Department is the duty of the Florida Department of Transportation to ensure the safety and consistency of public roadways and transportation systems.

That means ensuring our roadways are not used for social, political, or ideological interests. Yes, that is the real quote from the Florida Department of Transportation after destroying the Memorial Crosswalk. Right now, there's a crowd of people growing near the Poles Nightclub site in Orlando, upset about this. the rainbow crosswalk being painted over. But the governor is doubling down on the state's decision to remove it. Let's get out to Fox 35's Hannah McKinsey. She is joining us live outside the false memorial tonight. So Hannah, at one point, people actually colored that sidewalk back in.

Yeah, Lou Ann, some fast working folks brought out the chalk and worked to restore that rainbow. We did have a downpour here in Orlando, though. And as you can see, that chalk has since washed away. A large group of folks have gathered here on the side of Orange Avenue, and they have signs, they have banners, they have flags. They are hoping their presence here is going to leave a much long-lasting impact more than any chalk could do. Its vibrant hues restored, at least temporarily with chalk, after Orlando's iconic

rainbow crosswalk outside the Pulse nightclub site was painted over in the dead of night. I'm a little much of all. Yasmine Flasterstein, hoping her 49 flowers can brighten the day for those upset over the crosswalk. While they're feeling hurt, maybe they could feel some support too. Calling the move callous Orlando Mayor Buddy Dyer writing, quote, hastily removing part of a memorial to what was at the time our nation's largest mass shooting without any supporting safety data or discussion is a cruel political act. Several weeks ago, the Trump administration sent a letter to all 50 governors, telling them to keep intersections free of political messages, artwork, and any markings not directly tied to pedestrian or driver

safety. FDOT also releasing this memo, stating their 2025 design manual explicitly prohibits the application of pavement or surface art on travel lanes, paved shoulders, intersections, crosswalks or sidewalks. State Senator Carlos Guillermo Smith says he saw this coming. They're actively fighting with the city of Delray Beach, with Key West, with Sarasota. This is the crosswalk that they wanted to make an example out of. The crosswalk that was created to remember 49 people who were murdered here. Governor Ronda Santis replying to a video posted by Guillermo Smith, writing,

we will not allow our state roads to be commandeered for political purposes. It's really hard for me to say I felt any other way but numb. Darylis Torres survived the Pulse massacre and lost friends inside. She says if the city built a permanent memorial, painting over this crosswalk wouldn't be an issue. While I do not condone it, I think it's horrible and despicable that the state is actually doing that. The fact that they're using polls is more to pursue a different agenda than what it actually should mean had we done things right in the first place. For many people affected by the Pulse Nightclub shooting, they just wanted to make sure that the victims were remembered, which is what so many people say when their loved ones die. They just want to keep their names alive. So they've made due on that promise.

Year after year, the community comes together to honor the victims. They continue to hold vigils, memorials, and moments of silence for the lives lost. The anniversary of the Pulse shooting also takes place in the middle of Pride Month and the National Violence Awareness Month. Christopher Lennonan's mother, Christine, as well as many other survivors, have become advocates for stricter gun laws and gun safety. Christine spoke at the Democratic National Convention in 2016, arguing against the availability of military-style weapons, the same weapon the shooter used to kill dozens of people.

In fact, there were four. four gun proposals inspired by the Orlando attack, including expanding background checks, banning gun cells to anyone who was on the terrorist watch list, and alerting law enforcement of anyone trying to purchase a weapon who had been on the terrorist watch list. Ultimately, all four proposals failed to pass. Despite the calls for reform following the Pulse massacre, mass shootings have only increased. Just a year after Pulse occurred, it was surpassed as the worst mass shooting in the U.S. by the Route 91 Music Festival in Las Vegas on October 1st, 2017. During that shooting, 60 people were killed and hundreds were wounded. And every year, the shootings

here in America continue. In fact, just two days before the Pulse Nightclub shooting, the city of Orlando was already grieving over a lost life due to gun violence. Christina Grimmy had risen to fame from her popular YouTube videos where she would sing covers. Over the years, she gained a lot of followers and supporters. On June 10, 2012, she performed a concert in Orlando. Afterwards, she held a meet and greet, where a man shot and killed her. Christina had risen to fame on the TV show The Voice, and her death was felt all around the world. And then, just two days later, in the very same city, 49 other people died from gun violence.

As communities continue to grieve and demand change, the question of how to prevent mass. shootings and reduce gun violence remains in ongoing and ever-present challenge. It's something that people just can't seem to agree on here in the United States. And as we continue debating and running around in circles, every single day, more lives are continuously lost. Now starting in 2026, as the city of Orlando continued with plans to build a permanent public memorial, bits and pieces of Pulse Nightclub started to come down. During the demolition, the construction fans.

surrounding the property was lined with rainbow colors and the names of those lost. On March 10, 2026, in the early morning hours, the iconic pulse sign was taken from its post and removed from the site. For 10 years, it stood over the remains of the nightclub, both a reminder of the lives lost and a beacon of hope for the future. Throughout March and April of 26, the remaining items inside the club were removed and put in the moment. into storage for the future memorial, a memorial that is set to be completed by 2027. And just recently, the demolition of Pulse Nightclub was officially completed. They had completely removed the structure where so many people lost their lives.

Survivor Brandon Wolfe would later say, quote, the building may come down, and we may finally get a permanent memorial, but that doesn't change the fact that this community has been scarred for life. There are people inside the community who still need and will continue to need support and resources. To make a purpose out of the tragedy, many survivors have banded together to make a difference for the LGBTQ plus community, Orlando, and the world in general. One survivor, Brandon Wolf, launched the Drew Project, a nonprofit organization that offers scholarships for LGBTQ plus youth and offers financial support for communities to form gay straight alliances. The Drew Project is named in honor of Brandon's close friend, Christopher Andrew Linoonan, who was killed inside of Pulse. To date, the Drew Project has awarded a quarter of a million dollars in scholarships and has helped create dozens of gay straight alliance groups in schools across the U.S.

That especially hits home for everyone who knew Christopher Drew Linoon because back in 2004, he helped create one of the first GSAs in Florida at Seminole High School. Now his legacy is able to live on and grows more year by year. Other groups also formed in response to Pulse as well. Q Latin X, a support group for LGBTQ individuals with Latin heritage, aims to create safe spaces for marginalized communities in the name of the 49 people who were killed on June 12, 2016. The gunmen in the shooting came to Pulse that night to take as many lives as he could. He wanted to spread hate and violence.

and he did. But out of this horrific tragedy came so much love and support. Lifelong friendships were forever cemented by the shooting. Advocates for gun safety and equal rights were made. And soon enough,

a permanent memorial will finally be built, reminding everyone that in the end, it's connection and love that prevails. And we feel it's best to end this series not with our words, but with the words of one of Pulse's survivors. If you recall, Patience Carter was locked inside the bathroom at Pulse during the shooting, along with her friend Tiara Parker and her friend's cousin, Akira Moray.

Ultimately, Akira did not survive. But in the wake of the tragedy, Patience became an advocate for common-sense gun laws in an effort to deal with her Survivor's guilt. And in the wake of her grief, she found something else in a very unexpected place. While Patience was recovering in a hospital, Akira's brother Alex began visiting her. They consoled each other over Akira's loss, and over time, the two fell in love. In August of 2019, they got married, with their guardian angels standing over them. Patience told LGBTQ magazine, quote,

The word legacy can also mean gift, or something handed down to us from the past. As counterintuitive as it might be to think of an event so tragic as a gift, I hope that the legacy of the Pulse night club shooting can be about love. If Pulse taught me anything, it's that none of us can exist without love. The legacy that that night has left, the gift it gave me is to see that love is the axis, on which the world spends. In honor of the victims, survivors, and heroes of Pulse, we will be making a donation to the LGBT. Plus Center Orlando, an organization that continues to provide support and resources for the families of the 49 victims of the Pulse tragedy, as well as the numerous survivors.

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