Murder: True Crime Stories - MYSTERY: Ireland’s Scissor Sisters

Episode Date: September 11, 2026

In 2005, a dismembered body began turning up in pieces along a canal in Dublin, Ireland, in a case so gruesome it gripped the entire country. The victim was Farah Swaleh Noor, and the killers turned out to be two sisters, Charlotte and Linda Mulhall, dubbed by the press the "Scissor Sisters." The man had been in a relationship with their mother, and one violent night, fueled by drugs and alcohol and years of buried rage, the sisters killed him and set about disposing of his body in horrifying fashion. The case shocked Ireland not only for its brutality but for the disturbing family dynamics that lay beneath it. In this episode of Murder: True Crime Stories, host Carter Roy examines the killing that became one of Ireland's most infamous crimes, the troubled family at its center, and the question of what drove two sisters to commit such an unthinkable act.Head over to our YouTube channel to WATCH our video episodes: https://www.youtube.com/@crimehousestudios If you’re new here, don’t forget to follow Murder: True Crime Stories to never miss a case! Want all 2 parts of every case all at once? Join Crime House+ and get both parts of each case dropped at once ad-free. Join at crimehouseplus.com or if you’re listening on Apple Podcasts, tap “Try Free” at the top of this show’s page. Murder: True Crime Stories is a Crime House Original Podcast, powered by PAVE Studios.🎧 Need More to Binge? Listen to other Crime House Originals Clues, Crimes Of Reddit, Serial Killers & Murderous Minds, Crime House 24/7, and more wherever you get your podcasts!Follow me on SocialInstagram: @CrimehouseTikTok: @CrimehouseFacebook: @crimehousestudiosX: @crimehousemediaYouTube: @crimehousestudios

Hi, it's Carter. Are you the type to fall down an internet rabbit hole and not come up for hours? Well, you'll love crimes of Reddit. A new Crime House original with Sabrina Deanna Roga and Alexis Link Letter. Every week, one host brings real true crime stories from Reddit while the other reacts completely blind. No prep, no spoilers. Then they swap.

It's the feeling of sending your group chat a thread at 2 a.m. that starts with, you have to see this. except Sabrina and Alexis are in the chat with you. Follow Crimes of Reddit on Apple Podcasts and Spotify or subscribe at Crimes of Reddit Pod on YouTube. This is Crime House. There's a stretch of the Royal Canal in North Dublin where the water sits still.

Kids, planets, people walk their dogs, and on the evening of March 30th, 2005, a group of schoolboys were messing around on that bank when one of them spotted something in the water. They thought it was a mannequin because all they could see was a leg with a sock still on the foot. Then a man walking past stopped to look. It took him a moment to realize the leg was real.

The following day, police divers were in the water and they kept coming up with more of the body. They found the legs, they found the arms, they found a torso that had drifted a little way upstream. But when the search was... finished, one thing was still missing. There was no head. Whoever put the man in that canal had taken it with them, so there was no face to photograph and no name to put on a file. It would take more than five weeks to identify him. Today, almost everyone in Ireland can tell you

who killed him. Hardly anybody can tell you who he was. Ireland calls this one the Scissor Sisters. But this is really the story of Farah Swale Noor. People's lives are like a story. There's a beginning, a middle, and an end. But you don't always know which part you're on. Sometimes the final chapter arrives far too soon, and we don't always get to know the real ending. I'm Carter Roy, and this is Murder, True Crime Stories,

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includes descriptions of domestic violence, sexual assault, dismemberment, addiction, and suicide. but please listen with care. Today's case is one of the most notorious in modern Irish criminal history. A judge in Dublin called it the most grotesque killing he had ever seen. But for all the attention it got, nobody has ever agreed on what actually happened

to Farras while Aynour on the night he died. Every single person involved gave their own account to the police. None of those accounts match and they don't even agree on who picked up. weapon. And despite all that, a court eventually had to choose between them. And 21 years later, I am not convinced they chose the right story. All that and more coming up. On the evening of March 30th, 2005, a group of schoolboys found a leg in the Royal Canal in North Dublin. The man

who came over to look was named Gary Dunn, and the moment he understood what he was seeing, Well, that quiet stretch of water became a crime scene. Ballybock is a small district on the north side of Dublin. It's made up of a few streets and sits between the North Strand and the back of Croke Park, the biggest stadium in Ireland. The Royal Canal runs straight through the middle of it. That meant somebody had put a body in there right in the middle of the capital city. Not out in the country and not off a boat somewhere,

but a few minutes walk from people's front doors. The next day on March 31st, the canal was cordoned off, and the Garda sub Aquata unit, the Irish police's dive team, went into the water. By the end of the search, they had recovered the body in seven separate pieces, and they each told their own story. This next part is clinical and graphic,

so I'll keep it brief, but if you don't want to hear it, skip ahead about 30 seconds. The torso had been cut in two. The arms had been taken off at the shoulders. The legs had been removed at the groin and then again at the knees, and the head was gone from the lower neck up. A doctor came down to the water to confirm that what the divers were pulling out was human

and to officially call it a death. But the real examination came later at the Dublin City morgue. The deputy state pathologist, Dr. Michael Curtis, carried out the post-mortem. The torso alone had 22 stab wounds in it. Beyond that, the only thing Curtis could tell was that the victim was male and middle-aged, which was a problem for the Irish police, the guardee,

because they still had no idea who the victim was. A pathologist had determined that by the time that leg was spotted, the man in the canal had been dead for 10 days. 10 days in a city of a million people, and nobody had come looking for him. And because his head was still missing, they couldn't photograph the face and put it in the paper. They couldn't use his dental records to ID him either.

Clearly, whoever had killed him knew what they were doing. So the guardee played the long game. Although no one had come forward looking for the victim, there were 60 missing persons in Dublin at the time. detectives figured one of them had to be their John Doe. With no face, no name, and 60 files to work through by hand, the investigation tried something that had barely been used in an Irish criminal case before. They sent tissue samples to a scientist in Belfast who specialized in stable isotope analysis.

The idea behind it is strange and kind of beautiful. Everything you drink and eat leaves a chemical signature. in your body. And that signature varies depending on where in the world the water came from. Your hair and your fingernails grow fast, so they only hold the last few months of information, but your bones change a lot more slowly, so they hold years worth. By reading those signatures, the scientists could sketch out the last 200 days of this man's life. And the oxygen isotopes in his thigh bone, got them something even better. They could say roughly which part of the world he grew up in, and if he ever relocated. The answer came back. He was a middle-aged African man who had been living

in Ireland for years. The technique was so new that the case was written up in a forensic science journal. It also gave investigators somewhere to look. A man who had been in Ireland for years, had a life here, a job, an address, people who knew his face. Whoever he was, somebody in Ireland could tell them. But knowing he was African, did something else as well. It sent the investigators down a road that led a long way from Dublin. Because the victim was African and the body had been cut up, detectives started working the theory that this was a ritual killing.

It wasn't a new idea. London police had done the same thing four years earlier when a young boy's torso turned up in the Thames River. That investigation led the authorities to police in South Africa where they learned about what are known as mootie killings. That's when somebody is killed so parts of their body can be used in traditional medicine. Irish detectives wondered if that's what happened to their John Doe, so they followed London's lead and flew to South Africa too.

It went nowhere, and it's hard not to notice that when a black man turned up dead in Dublin, the first serious idea anybody had was witchcraft. And so five weeks in, the guardees still didn't have anything to put in a file. Then, on May 9, 2005, the case broke open, and it was all thanks to a piece of clothing. When the remains were pulled from the water, they still had clothes. on them, a pair of socks, underwear, and a long-sleeved Republic of Ireland away soccer jersey. Gardee put photographs of that jersey into a local crime stoppers tip line and spread it as widely as they could, including in newspapers read by Dublin's African communities.

Beside it, they put what little information they had. They said they were looking for a middle-aged African man who had been in the country a long time. That was the whole description, but somehow it worked. That day, a man named Muhammad Ali Abdou Bakar saw the jersey and recognized it. He knew exactly who owned one like that because he had seen his friend wearing it on O'Connell Street on March 20th. His friend had been with a woman he knew as Catherine and her two daughters. Nobody had heard from that friend since. Abu Bakar gave the guardee the man's name, but that wasn't proof.

Luckily, the man had a son living in Ireland, so they tested his DNA against the remains from the canal. It was a match. The body belonged to 38-year-old Farah Swaleh Noor. Except that wasn't the whole story, because when detectives pulled Farah Swale-Noor's file, actually found two different men in it. He had arrived in Ireland in December of 1996 and applied for asylum under the name Shalila Saleem. He said he was fleeing the Civil War in Somalia

and that his wife and children had been killed in Mogadishu. None of it was true. He was Kenyan of Somali descent and his wife and children were alive and well in Kenya. His name wasn't even Shalila Salim. it was Farah Swaleh Noor. As I came out, the Department of Justice tried to deport him, but he appealed, and in March of 1999,

he was allowed to stay in Ireland under his real name because by then he had fathered a child in the country. The whole time, he kept writing and sending money to his family back in Kenya. Once the guard he had a name, the rest moved fast because Farah, Swelay, Nur, had a last known address. Number 17 Richmond cottages in Ballybock. It was a 10-minute walk from the spot where those schoolboys had been standing. He had been living there with his girlfriend,

the woman whose name was on the lease, the one Abu Bakar knew as Catherine. Her real name was Kathleen Mulhall. Detectors got a warrant and went into the flat. Somebody else was living it by then, and the place had been scrubbed. Still, forensic scientists found traces of blood on the walls on the floor and in the bathroom. It all matched for a soley, nor. Whoever cleaned that room knew exactly what had happened in it.

But the one person they needed to talk to was already gone, so detectives started digging into her story, and what they found went back three generations. By the summer of 2005, the Gardin knew where Farah Swelay Noor had died, but not much else. So they started looking to the people around him. What they found didn't begin on the night he was killed. It went back decades, and it began with the woman whose name was on that lease, Kathleen Mulhall, Fahawley Noor's girlfriend. Kathleen grew up in Krumlin on the south side of Dublin.

She was abused by both of her parents growing up. As a young woman, she married a man named John Mulhall. He worked for window glazing company. He was also abusive. Still, they raised six children at Kilclair Gardens in Tala, a big working class suburb out at the western edge of the city. The oldest daughter was named Linda. Another was Charlotte, who was about eight years younger.

Sadly, they both experienced the same. abuse that their mother did. Linda left school early and had four children of her own. The father of at least one of them had a very violent record and he went to prison for what he did to Linda's children. By her 30s, Linda was unemployed, smoking heroin and drinking up to three bottles of vodka a day. She had one conviction for larceny going back to 1993. Charlotte picked up two of her own, one for damaging property, and another for a public order offense. She got probation for both. Put all of that in one house, and you get the summary,

a lawyer who followed the case gave afterwards, quote, this was a family poisoned by drugs, drink, violence, and the whole shooting gallery. Kathleen was at the center of it all, and in 2002, after more than two decades of nine, marriage, she'd had enough, she left John. She had met somebody new. He was in his mid-30s, more than a decade younger than her, and by all accounts, he was charming when he wanted to be. His name was Farah Swaleh Noor. The two of them moved out of Dublin altogether, from 2003 to 2004.

They lived at three or four different addresses in Cork City, a few hours south. We know what happened in those two years because of a paper trail. Kathleen turned up at hospitals around Cork with fractured ribs, hand injuries, bruising, and blurred vision. The records lined up with somebody being assaulted over and over again. And there was a second pattern in them. She kept giving different explanations for how she got hurt and she kept missing her follow appointments. But they still stayed together.

At some point after that, the two of them came back up to Dublin to the rented apartment at Richmond Cottages. And it turned out Kathleen wasn't the only one who was abused by Farah. As the Gardy worked backwards through his life, they found other women. One of them had met him on the day of her 16th birthday, and she had a son with him. She told the court he was a lovely man at first, but changed when he drank.

She said he sexually assaulted her repeatedly. Later, she also revealed something else. She said Kathleen Mulhall had tracked her down and contacted her more than once while she was living in court, not to accuse her of anything, but to talk to somebody who would believe her about how violent he was. Another woman said she met Farah playing pool at an amusement arcade on O'Connell Street. She said he forced her to have sex with him and that she also had his baby. He had four previous convictions by then for things like intoxication, threatening, and abusive behavior, and assault. He had never spent a day in prison for any of it.

And there was one thing he used to say to the women in his life, a threat he had been making for years before he ever met Kathleen Mulhall. It reached back to a murder that happened six years before his own. In the early hours of September 4th, 1999, the 17-year-old girl named Raynard Murray was stabbed to death as she walked home from a night out on the outskirts of Dublin. Her older sister found her body on a road near their house. Nobody's ever been charged.

But Farah Swalai Noor told his victims that he was the one who did it. He said it to a former partner when she was leaving him, and according to Kathleen, he said it to her as well. And told her he would kill her too. That's where things stood by the start of 2005. Kathleen and Farah were still dating and living together, but things were messy, very messy, especially for the Mulhall family. Both of Kathleen's sons were in custody. One was serving three years for reckless driving that killed a 52-year-old man.

Another had been in the same prison since March 4th, waiting on charges of his own. Then, on Sunday, March 20th, the rest of the family had to be a family. a day out together. It was three days after St. Patrick's Day and the city was still in a holiday mood. Charlotte and Linda met Kathleen and Farah in the city center. The four of them bought vodka and coke and drank it on O'Connell Street, then moved down to the boardwalk. There the three women took ecstasy. Bra said he didn't want any. On the way back to the apartment, Kathleen and Farah started arguing, according to the sisters. Once they got inside, their mom crushed up an ecstasy tablet and slipped it into Farah's drink.

Maybe she thought if he was as buzzed as everyone else, the fighting would stop. It didn't. They kept arguing, and everyone kept drinking. This next stretch is graphic. If you'd rather skip it, jump ahead about two minutes. Linda later told the guardee that she was sitting on Charlotte's lap when Farah. came into the room and put his arm around her waist. According to her, he whispered something dirty in her ear

and said something about the two of them being creatures of the night. Linda asked her mom what he meant. He was still holding her tightly when Kathleen started shouting at him to let go. He wouldn't. At that point, Charlotte noticed a Stanley blade sitting on the counter that's a utility knife, the kind you'd used to open boxes. Charlotte picked it up and cut his throat. He staggered through the bedroom door and hit his head on a bunk bed.

Then Linda picked up a claw hammer and hit him with it several times. Then Charlotte stabbed him with a kitchen knife as many as 20 times. After that, the two sisters dragged him into the bathroom where they spent several hours dismembering his body. According to the sisters, their mother was. somewhere else in the apartment, although no one has been able to say where she was or what she was doing. Once Charlotte and Linda were finished, they packed most of his body into black plastic bags, then they walked down to the Royal Canal to Clark's Bridge and dropped the bags in.

It took several trips, but they kept the head separate. The next day, Linda carried it on the bus out to Tala, Inside her son's school bag, she buried it in a park. After the deed was done, they cleaned up. Kathleen scrubbed the room where he had died and told the temp agency for our work for that he had left Dublin to take a job in another town. Then she went around asking his friends whether any of them had seen him.

And for four and a half months, the cover-up held. The sisters watched the story. break on the news, they watched a whole country ask who the man in the canal was and said nothing. What none of them knew was that a soccer jersey had already given him his name back. By the beginning of August 2005, the guardee had Farah's name, his last address, and the blood on the walls on the apartment. They still didn't know who put it there or why, but Abu Bakar had already given them a thread. Remember, he'd spotted Fraud with Kathleen and her two daughters on the last day anyone saw him alive. That, plus the fact that Kathleen's name was on the lease, was enough to bring the whole family in.

On August 3rd, they arrested Kathleen, her estranged husband John, and Linda and Charlotte. All four of them denied knowing anything and all four were released without charges. Kathleen told detective she had no idea what had happened to Farah Swale-Nour and that she had only heard he was dead the day before. She was interviewed six times and her story changed every time. More than a month after that first denial, she admitted she had been drinking with Farah and her daughters on the boardwalk that day and that all four of them had gone back to her apartment afterwards.

Charlotte said something different. She said she and Linda had been out drinking all over town until five or six in the morning and that they came home to find their mother covered in blood. She said her mother told her she had killed Farah herself. At that point, it seems like Linda didn't say anything at all. With all the contradicting stories, the Gardee were at an impasse. But eventually, two things cracked the case and, Neither was clever detective work.

The first was the Mulhall brothers. They were both still in jail, but news of what happened reached them on the inside, and according to them. They knew the murder had happened at their mom's apartment. The second was Linda. A few weeks after her arrest, she got in touch with the detectives herself. She gave them a voluntary statement. Then she kept talking and described everything. the argument, the blade, the hammer, the bathroom, the bags, the canal, the bus, the prayer.

Whatever her reasons, Linda Mulhall had solved the case for them. Now they had to prove it, which meant finding the rest of Farah's body and the murder weapons. Linda's statement sent them looking in two places on August 22nd, 2005. divers searched a lake in Sean Walsh Memorial Park in Tala, in the same suburb she had carried the body out to. They turned up, a kitchen knife, and a hammer. The head was a different story. Linda said she had gone back for it after the remains turned up in the canal.

She dug it up, moved it, and buried it somewhere else. Since then, she's mentioned a completely different spot. The Gardner searched for months. They never found it, and to this day, they don't know where it is. But Linda's confession changed everything. It put both sisters in the room with the weapons in their hands. It was just a matter of time until they were charged with Farah's murder. But Kathleen knew what was coming, and she'd already decided she wasn't going to be here

when they came looking for her. In September of 2005, a few weeks after Linda Mulhall gave her statement, Kathleen Mulhall left Ireland. No one knew where she'd gone. Her daughters didn't have that option. Linda had already gone on record about the whole night, and by the end of the year, both sisters had been charged with Faras-Waleigh-Nor's murder. And that December, the case took another life.

John Mulhall, the sister's dad, went to the Phoenix. Park in Dublin and took his own life. It was just before Christmas, a few weeks after his daughters were charged. He wasn't a simple man to mourn. He had abused Kathleen for years. He had also raised six children and kept a roof over their heads, and that's the side detective saw. One guardie official called him the mainstay of the family

and said he had no doubt the weight of the family. and said he had no doubt the weight of the case had contributed to his death. Within a single year, the sisters had lost both their parents in one form or another and somewhere in the long wait for trial. Charlotte gave birth to a son while she was out on bail. Ten months after the sisters were charged, the trial finally arrived. It started in October 2006 and lasted around 10 days. both sisters pleaded not guilty.

A man named Paul Carney led the defense. One of Ireland's most senior attorneys, George Birmingham, led the prosecution, and his argument was simple. He said Charlotte had the blade. Linda had the hammer. Together, they killed Farah, Swale, Noor, and took his body apart.

The defense focused on the why. Linda's lawyers argued provocation, a man who had grabbed her and wouldn't let go. Charlotte's argued that she was protecting her sister, and both of Farah's former partners testified about his history of violence. But there was something that complicated things for both sides. The sister's own statements didn't match. Charlotte's version put their mother at the center of it.

She told the guardee that Kathleen had begged her and Linda to kill Farah, that she had handed them the hammer and the knife, and that when he wouldn't let go of Linda, Charlotte cut his throat. When it came to the body, she said her mom was the one who told them to cut him up. In Linda's version, there was no order from anyone, according to her, Charlotte reached for the blade on her own, and Charlotte was also the one who suggested cutting up his body. So the jury had to choose between two sisters,

in a room where everybody had been drinking all day and taking ecstasy, and the one woman who could have settled it was nowhere to be found. In the end, the 12-person jury split the difference. 11 of them voted to charge Linda with manslaughter, Ten voted to charge Charlotte with murder. Now, in an American courtroom, a split like that would mean there was a mistrial because a jury has to be unanimous. Ireland is different. There, a jury doesn't all have to agree.

As long as 10 of the 12 land on the same answer, it counts. Neither sister reacted much when the verdicts were read out. Afterwards, Charlotte hugged her two older brothers. Linda kissed each of them and through tears said, Thank God, it's over. On the other side of that courtroom, there was nobody at all. According to the Gardee, Farah's mother couldn't afford the flight from Kenya. Sentencing came five weeks later on December 4th, 31-year-old Linda Mulhall,

got 15 years for manslaughter. 23-year-old Charlotte Mulhall got the mandatory life sentence for murder. The court arranged for Charlotte's baby boy, then five months old, to live with her in the women's prison at Mount Joy until he turned 18 months. Charlotte appealed the murder conviction. She lost. And the fallout didn't end there. Eventually, Linda's brother, James, was sent back to prison for holding up two shops at knife point.

he had been taking care of her kids and told the court he needed the money to feed his own children plus hers. Linda and Charlotte were paying for their crimes, but there was still one person who'd gotten out unscathed. Kathleen, the mother, the woman who had been in that apartment, who had scrubbed it clean, and was the only person alive who could say which version of the story was true. When the verdicts came down, she wasn't even in the country. Outside the court that day, a guardee official asked the public for help locating her, but in the end, no one had to find her. She had been gone more than two years, living somewhere in England,

and February of 2008, Kathleen Mulhall came back to Ireland on her own, walked into a Dublin guard station, and gave herself up. A year later, she pleaded guilty to cleaning up the crime scene, hiding the evidence and keeping her daughters from being arrested, she had also at one point offered to take the blame for the killing herself. On May 8, 2009, she was sentenced to five years in prison. The most of the judge could have given her was 10. He listed the things that counted in her favor,

no previous convictions, coming back from England of her own accord, and years of trying to hold her family together in impossible. circumstances. Kathleen was 53 by then and living in Carlo, she wore a brown pinstripe jacket and a pink shirt to court and she showed no reaction at all when he read the sentence out. She was released in 2011 and somewhere in there she finally gave her own account of the night. It's the third version and it doesn't fit either of her daughters. She told the guardee she was in another part of the apartment when the murder happened. She heard shouting, then Linda came out, covered in blood,

and told her Farah was dead. She said she never saw him being killed. No jury ever weighed that against what her daughter said, and by the time Kathleen gave it, they had already been convicted and sentenced. A few things about this case still bother me. First, the nickname, I've used it all episode because everybody does, the paper started calling them these scissors sisters because they had cut up Farah's body and because it echoed a pop band that was big at the time. It was catchy and it stuck. Now it's the only thing most people know about this case, but there were never any scissors. The tools were a knife and a hammer. A headline outlived nearly every fact in the story. And there's still the question about what happened to Raynard Murray. Those things Farah said to

Kathleen and his other partner about killing her didn't come out until after his own death. At that point, investigators looked into the claims but decided he was lying. They believed he just said it to scare the women around him. So for now, her murder is still unsolved. But her family isn't giving up. The case is still active. Linda Mulhall walked out of prison in January of 2018 at 43 years old. She didn't serve the full 15 years in Ireland.

Prisoners who stay out of trouble automatically get a quarter of their sentence knocked off, and Linda did. She reportedly lives outside of Ireland. Charlotte has spent more than 20 years inside. She served the early part of it at the women's prison in Dublin, then was moved to Limerick Prison in December 2018. But here's the catch. In Ireland, a life term looks different than other places. After enough years, a life prisoner can be released to live in the world again, and Charlotte has reached that point. Starting in 2006, she's been let out on temporary release, half days and full days.

Eventually, she'll also get overnight. The most recent reporting says her full release was expected to happen in the summer of 2026. It's not clear if it did, either way. the life sentence never really ends. She stays a life prisoner on the outside, supervised, and if she breaks the terms of her release, she goes straight back. I want to end on the body in the canal, because, well, he's the person this case can forget.

Farah Swalai Noor was a violent man. Two women testified under oath that he had raped them. one of them had met him on her 16th birthday. None of those things are rumors. They're sworn evidence. And in Farah's nearly 10 years in Ireland, he never spent a day in prison for any of it. Kathleen first experienced violence long before she met him.

She was abused by her parents, then married a man who abused her, then left him for a man who abused her. Her daughters grew up watching every bit of that and Linda ended up with a partner who went to prison for beating her children. The cycle kept repeating, and in the end, everyone paid for it. And that is what I can't get past. Not the canal, not the nickname, but the knowledge that decades before any of this reached a courtroom,

there were teachers and neighbors and doctors and police who saw pieces of it. any one of them could have stepped in. None of them ever did. All right, before we get out of here, I've got a new segment. I'll bring you at the end of every Murder Mystery Friday episode. This is Carter Calls It, the part where I tell you which one I believe. Three women were in that apartment in Dublin, the night for Oswald and Noor was killed. All three of them told a different story about what happened in it, and a jury had to choose

one. I believe Linda, not because she comes off sympathetic, but because of what her story cost her, Charlotte's version handed the blame to a mother who had already left the country and wasn't there to answer it. Kathleen's version put herself in another room entirely, and she didn't offer it until both of her daughters had been convicted and sentenced. By then, it couldn't cost her anything. Linda's account was the only one that made things worse for the person telling it. She contacted detectives on her own. Nobody had her in that bathroom until she put herself there with a claw hammer in her hand. Her version is also the only one the physical evidence backed up. She told them where the weapons went and divers pulled a knife and hammer out of that lake

in Tala. This is what I think happened in that plant. Nobody planned it. They had been drinking and taking ecstasy all day in a home where violence was already normal. Rau put his hands on Linda and would let go over when her mother screamed at him to. And there was a blade sitting on the counter. What came after was hours in a bathroom. That's the part everybody remembers. It's also the part that tells you the least about why he died.

Which brings me to the verdict. I don't buy it. Charlotte cut his throat, Linda swung the hammer, same room, same night, minutes apart. One of them got a life sentence. They've got 15 years. The line the jury drew between those two women

is a lot thinner than those two sentences make it sound. I'll stop short of one thing. I can't tell you whether Kathleen Mulhall ever said the word Charlotte says she did or handed her daughters anything at all. Kathleen was never charged with her. killing and she never had to answer that account in front of a jury. She pleaded guilty to scrubbing the walls and served five years for it. She was also the only person alive who could have settled any of this. She left the country instead. So that's my call. Linda's version, a killing nobody

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