Murder: True Crime Stories - UNSOLVED: Chandra Levy, Pt. 2

Episode Date: May 14, 2024

After Chandra Levy's disappearance in May 2001, investigators turned to her married boyfriend, U.S. Congressman Gary Condit. Once their relationship became public, some of Condit's girlfriends came forward with their own stories. What they had to say turned the entire investigation on its head. Murder: True Crime Stories is part of Crime House Studios. For more, follow us on Instagram @crimehouse. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

People lie. Yes, all of us. It happens all the time. Usually, it's not that consequential. Maybe it's a kid lying about washing their hands before dinner, or an employee telling their boss they saw an email that's still unread. But sometimes, lies really matter. Especially when they're being told by someone close to you. All of a sudden, you don't know what to think anymore. You start to question everything they say, everything they do. And if the lie is big enough, it can make you wonder what else that person could be hiding. People's lives are like a story.

There's a beginning, a middle, and an end. But sometimes the final chapter arrives far too soon, and we don't always get to know the real ending. I'm Carter Roy, and this is Murder True Crime Stories, Crime House original show powered by Pave Studios. Every Tuesday, I'll explore the story of a notorious murder or murders. At Crime House, we want to express our gratitude to you, our community, for making this possible.

Please support us by rating, reviewing, and following Murder True Crime Stories wherever you get your podcasts. Your feedback truly matters. This is the second of three episodes on the murder of Chandra Levy, a 24-year-old government intern who was killed in May 2001. Last time, I told the story of Chandra's life, from growing up in Modesto, California, to her time in Washington, D.C., until she disappeared without a trace. In this episode, I'll follow the investigation as it centers on Chandra's secret boyfriend, 53-year-old U.S. Congressman Gary Condit. Then in part three, I'll take you through the rest of the investigation until we arrive at a final answer or an enduring mystery. All that and more coming up. stories, I would be honored if you took a moment to rate and review us on Apple and Spotify. Your

valuable feedback helps us improve and expand our reach so other true crime fans can find us too. Your support means everything. On May 6, 2001, Robert and Susan Levy called the Washington, D.C. Police Department and reported that their 24-year-old daughter, Chandra, was missing. Chandra was supposed to have flown home to Modesto, California a few days earlier. Her internship in D.C. had suddenly ended, and she was planning to stay with her parents until she figured out her next steps. But the Levees hadn't heard from Chandra since May 1st, and they were afraid something was wrong. When the police weren't able to immediately locate her, Susan looked through Chandra's cell phone bill to try and figure out who she might have talked to last. One of the most recent calls had been to the office of Congressman Gary Condit.

Now, on the surface, this wouldn't raise any red flags. Condit was the representative for the Levy's home district in California, and it would make sense for Chandra to be contacting his office, especially if she was on the hunt for a new job. But Susan knew it was more complicated than that, because she'd found out about a month earlier that Chandra had been having an affair with the 53-year-old congressman. And Susan also knew that Chandra wasn't the first younger woman Condit had been involved with. About seven years earlier, her friend's daughter had also had an affair with Condit.

It had ended badly, and the young woman had apparently gone into hiding because she'd been afraid for her safety. hiding because she'd been afraid for her safety. And now, with Chandra missing, Susan was afraid that Gary Condit was somehow involved. But Susan didn't want to jump to any conclusions. Until now, she had kept her promise to Chandra and kept her knowledge of the affair a secret. She hadn't even told her husband, Robert. Now, though she knew she had to break her word,

if she had any hope of seeing her daughter again, she couldn't keep this information to herself. After Robert got over the initial shock, he agreed with Susan that they needed to find out more. And that meant they should try and get in touch with Condit directly. So Robert flipped through the phone book until he found Condit's home phone number. Someone actually picked up. Condit's wife, Carolyn. Robert knew he had to be delicate. Without saying anything about Chandra's relationship with Condit, he told Carolyn that his daughter was missing and because Condit represented their district, he was hoping the congressman could do something to help. Carolyn promised to pass on the message as soon as she could.

A few minutes later, the Levy's phone rang. It was Gary Condit. Robert did his best to keep his voice steady as he explained that his daughter Chandra was missing and that one of her last calls was to Condit's office. He asked if Condit could do anything to help. Condit told Robert that he really didn't know Chandra all that well. She'd visited his office a few times, and he'd given her career advice. He had no idea where Chandra was, but he assured Robert that he'd make some calls to the police.

Robert and Susan were stunned. Of course, if Condit did have something to do with Chandra's disappearance, they weren't expecting him to admit to it. But they were furious that he didn't show more concern for the woman he'd been secretly dating for about six months. It made them wonder just how much Gary Condit was hiding from them. A few days went by, and there was still no sign of Chandra. Robert and Susan contacted a non-profit group focused on helping families find their missing loved ones. We told the Levy's that the most important thing to do right now was to get as much news coverage as possible on Chandra's disappearance.

With that in mind, they arranged for Susan to appear on Good Morning America on May 14th. Two days after that, the Levees flew to Washington, D.C. for some high-profile meetings. With news cameras capturing every moment, Robert and Susan went to Capitol Hill to meet with California Senators Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer. They also met with Jack Barrett, the Washington, D.C. Police Superintendent of Detectives. Notably, there was one person it doesn't seem like they met with, Gary Condit. Even though the Levy's hadn't said anything about their suspicions about him Condit probably knew it was better if he stayed away

But on May 17th, the Washington Post reported on a possible romantic relationship between him and Chandra The article mentioned that Condit's office back in California had been flooded with calls from reporters asking if he and Chandra were having an affair. Condit's chief of staff completely denied it. He was quoted as saying, Totally did not occur. It's really distressing that a lot of people are focusing on that issue when the focus should be on finding where Chandra is, end quote. It was a forceful denial, but there was just one problem with it. Condit had already admitted to detectives that Chandra had spent the night at his apartment before.

Back on May 6th or 7th, after the Levees reported Chandra missing and Robert talked to Condit, the Levees had made another call, to Ralph Durant, the detective assigned to Chandra's case. During that call, Robert told Durant that he was pretty sure Chandra and Gary Condit were having an affair. Naturally, Durant contacted Condit to verify what Robert told him, but the congressman basically said the same thing he told the Levees, that he didn't know Chandra particularly well, aside from having given her career advice a few times. Durant asked Condit if he'd be willing to put that into a formal statement, and the two of them arranged to formally meet at Condit's apartment on the evening of May 9th. But before that meeting took place, Durant got another call.

got another call. This time, it was from Chandra's aunt, Linda Zamsky. Linda was the only person Chandra had told about the affair, and until this point, she'd kept that secret to herself, just like Susan Levy had. But now, Linda couldn't stay silent about it any longer. Linda couldn't stay silent about it any longer. She told Detective Durant everything she knew. Chandra and Condit had started seeing each other the previous fall, and it was serious enough that Condit told Chandra he was planning on leaving his wife for her. The call left Durant feeling extremely suspicious. The Levees didn't really have a reason to make up this affair, but Condit had a lot to gain by denying it. It made Durant wonder. If Condit was lying about this one thing, maybe there were other things he was hiding too.

At 9.55 on May 9th, Durant went to Condit's apartment to get his official statement. This time, Condit was a little more forthcoming than he'd been on the phone. He said that he and Chandra were friends, and when Durant pressed him on it, Condit admitted that Chandra had spent the night at his apartment before. But that's as far as he would go. When Durant asked if that meant he and Chandra were intimate, Condit wouldn't answer. However, the meaning was clear enough. It's not clear how this information got to the press, but it seems like there was a source within the D.C. Police Department leaking them information.

And so a week later, that's what led to the Washington Post article about people calling Condit's office in California to ask about the affair. about people calling Condit's office in California to ask about the affair. The story made waves across the country. One person following the coverage was a woman in San Francisco whose real name is unknown but called herself Janet. And on May 18th, the day after the Washington Post article was published, Janet called her local FBI field office. She told them she had important information to share regarding the Chandra Levy investigation. She didn't know Chandra personally, but the two women had something in common. They both had affairs with Gary Condit, and just like with the daughter of Susan Levy's friend, the affair had ended badly. Badly enough for Janet to fear that something bad

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On May 18th, 2001, a woman under the alias Janet told the FBI that she'd also had an affair with Gary Condit. After learning that Chandra Levy also had a secret relationship with the congressman, Janet felt compelled to share her story. Janet first met Condit nine years earlier, in 1992. She was a 22-year-old college student living in Los Angeles, and her boyfriend at the time was one of Condit's aides. One night, Condit, who was about 44 at the time, invited Janet and her boyfriend to have dinner with him. She didn't think much of it. She and her boyfriend broke up shortly after, and Janet went on with her life. But about a year later, in the early fall of 1993, Condit unexpectedly re-entered the picture.

One day, Janet's now ex-boyfriend, who still worked for the congressman, called to ask if she could give Condit a ride to a fundraiser in L.A. Janet and Condit hit it off, and at the end of the night, they had what she called a physical encounter. Condit wanted to see Janet again, but she wasn't so sure about it. Having an affair with such a high-profile person could get messy.

And moreover, she felt guilty about being with a married man who had two children. But Condit went on the charm offensive, calling non-stop to invite her to see him in D.C. Eventually, Janet relented and agreed to come see him. Over the next few months, Janet flew out to D.C. a few more times to spend time with Condit, and in January 1994, Condit asked her if she wanted a job as one of his legislative assistants after she graduated college. He even asked her if she wanted to move into his apartment, although she'd have to rent her own place to keep up appearances and to have somewhere to stay when his wife came to town. This time, Janet didn't hesitate to say yes. In Janet's mind, this was a serious relationship.

She and Condit were living together and were giving each other expensive gifts. He bought her clothes and expensive jewelry, and she gifted him a nice tag Hoyer watch and a mountain bike. It was serious enough that Condit told Janet that he was considering leaving Congress and divorcing his wife. The two of them dreamed about moving to a small town together where Janet could be a school teacher and Condit could enjoy life out of the spotlight. But as the relationship got more serious, Condit also got more controlling. Condit never physically hurt Janet, but he forbade her from being around other men. And just like he was with Chandra, he was extremely paranoid about the affair going public and made her swear not to tell anyone about it. It was hard for Janet to handle all the secrecy, especially since she

was working for Condit in his office. She was living two lives at once, and it started to wear her down so much she'd sometimes cry at work. There were even rules attached to that. Condit told her that if anyone asked what was wrong, she had to say she was upset about a recent breakup. Things got especially hard for Janet in July of 1994 when Condit's daughter, Katie, came to D.C. for a summer internship. Janet had to move her things out of Condit's apartment and couldn't spend any time with him while Katie was in town. It made Janet feel even guiltier about the affair, and it got even worse when she and Katie became friends. The two of them were about the same age, and they'd often talk whenever Katie dropped by her dad's office, which was pretty often. They eventually started hanging out, which put Janet in a really tough position. But she stayed true to her word and never told Katie that she was secretly dating her father.

Janet felt so guilty, she even considered committing suicide. By the end of the summer, she couldn't take it anymore. Janet told Condit she was ending their relationship, then moved back west to San Francisco. But Condit refused to take no for an answer. He convinced Janet to keep seeing him whenever he went back to his district, He convinced Janet to keep seeing him whenever he went back to his district, which was every couple of weeks. Their relationship carried on like this for another two years or so, until 1996, when Janet decided to just cut Condit off and stop taking his calls. She'd only seen him once since then in 1999 when they met up for coffee.

Condit still seemed bitter about what happened. He predicted that Janet would want to get back together someday. But by that point, she was married and had definitely moved on. She hadn't heard from Condit since. The FBI appreciated Janet's willingness to come forward. Her story made them wonder if Gary Condit had any other affairs they should know about. And shortly after they talked to Janet, the FBI caught a tip that Condit had dated a woman named Anne Marie Smith right before he met Chandra Levy. Anne Marie met Condit in July of 2000. She was in her late 30s and had just started a new job as a flight attendant. She was serving Condit on a flight from San Francisco to Washington, D.C.,

and was immediately charmed by him. The feeling was mutual. Before Condit got off the plane, he gave Anne-Marie his phone number. It wasn't until one of her colleagues checked the passenger manifest afterward that she realized he was a U.S. congressman. Anne-Marie wasn't sure if she wanted to get involved with Condit, especially because she suspected he was married. But she decided to have dinner with him anyway, and he assured her that he and his wife didn't really have a relationship. Anne-Marie gave in and the two of them started to see each other. This was just a few months before Condit began his affair with Chandra Levy, and it appears that neither woman had any idea that Condit had other girlfriends.

But in the spring of 2001, Anne-Marie started getting suspicious. Condit was spending less time with her, and she found a strand of long, dark hair in Condit's bathroom. Most likely, it was Chandra's. And then, on May 9th, 2001, Anne-Mar Marie got a really strange call. It was Condit. Without explaining why, he said he had to disappear for a bit and that she shouldn't call him. Anne Marie had no idea that three days earlier, Chandra had been reported missing, and that

Condit was about to essentially admit to Detective Durant that he and Chandra were having an affair. But it all became clear about a week later when the Washington Post article linking Condit to Chandra was published. With all the focus on Condit's personal life Anne-Marie knew it wouldn't be long until her affair with Condit was revealed. And sure enough, on June 1st, she got a visit from FBI Special Agent Margaret Eason. Anne-Marie told Agent Eason everything about her relationship with Condit,

and she had kept meticulous details in a travel journal. She told Agent Eason that she thought Gary Condit was a good person, but with all the news coming out about him, she wondered if there was a side of him she didn't know. She figured there was only one way to find out. The day after she talked to Agent Eason, Anne-Marie called Condit herself. It was a short conversation. Anne-Marie admitted to Condit that she talked to the FBI. He said she didn't have to do that, then abruptly hung up. said she didn't have to do that, then abruptly hung up. About two weeks later, Anne-Marie received a document from Condit's lawyer. He wanted her to sign an affidavit that denied she had a romantic

relationship with Condit. If Anne-Marie signed it, she could be sued for perjury if she claimed otherwise. The request felt like a stab to the heart. Anne-Marie couldn't believe she was being asked to lie in order to protect Condit, and so she refused to sign the affidavit. In fact, she decided to go one step further. she decided to go one step further. On July 2nd, Anne-Marie gave an exclusive interview to Rita Cosby at Fox News. She told Cosby all about her affair with Condit, and that he wanted her to help cover it up. The interview transformed the Chandra Levy investigation from a national story into a worldwide phenomenon.

Newspapers and cable news stations across the globe started reporting on it. All of a sudden, everyone wanted to know what had happened to Chandra Levy. And if Gary Condit had something to do with it, including law enforcement. Throughout all of this, Condit had actually been pretty cooperative with investigators. A few days before Anne-Marie Smith's interview, he sat down for a second time with the detectives on the case, detailing his whereabouts in the days following

Chandra's disappearance. The detectives suspected that she disappeared on May 1st. It was the day Chandra emailed her mom about potential flights back home, and was the last time anyone had heard from her. According to Condit, on that day, he had lunch with Vice President Dick Cheney, then worked until about 6.30pm when he went to dinner in his neighborhood, and the day after, he spent the day with his wife, shopping and eating at restaurants. It was pretty easy to confirm both of these alibis, but the detectives weren't completely satisfied. They wanted to know more about Condit's relationship with Chandra, but he was adamant about not giving details. The detectives found his evasiveness extremely suspicious.

By this point, his affair with Chandra was common knowledge. To them, it seemed like if Condit was innocent, he didn't have anything to lose by being completely honest with them. But Condit insisted on keeping his private life private. And that only made the detectives even more certain that he was hiding something. Because if he'd go this far to hide an affair, what else could he be capable of? In the weeks following Anne-Marie Smith's interview with Rita Cosby, pressure started to really mount on Gary Condit, from the public as well as the investigators on the Chandra Levy case. And they were about to get some answers.

Just not from Condit himself. Shortly after the 4th of July, Chandra's aunt, Linda Zamsky, went public with what Chandra had told her about the affair with Condit. Linda knew small personal details about Condit that were hard to make up and easy to prove, like that he kept cactus plants in his apartment, and that he loved to eat Ben & Jerry's low-fat chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream. She knew their routines, and the steps they took to keep their relationship secret. From what Linda said, it was clear that Condit was obsessed with privacy.

After Linda revealed what she knew, the question on everyone's mind was what Condit would do now that the details of his affair with Chandra were public. On July 6th, Condit agreed to yet another interview with the police. The atmosphere was tense. The U.S. attorneys overseeing the case questioned him for the first time, and they wanted him to confirm the details Linda Zamsky had shared with the public. And finally, he actually admitted that he had had an affair

with Chandra Levy. Condit confirmed that their relationship began around October or November 2000, and they were still together at the time of Chandra's disappearance, which he also swore he had nothing to do with. But at this point, the police weren't ready to take him at his word. It had taken multiple interviews, bombshell news reports, and immense public pressure for Condit to even admit what everyone already knew about his affair with Chandra. And so four days later, at 11.15 p.m. on July 10, 2001, July 10th, 2001, a fleet of unmarked cars full of DC police officers and FBI agents pulled up to the curb outside Condit's apartment, and they had a search warrant. Reporters raced to the scene, and a few minutes later, they saw Condit emerge from the building and climb into one of the cars, while the army of investigators headed into his apartment,

ready to inspect every single inch of it. The search lasted until 2.45 in the morning. The investigators turned the apartment upside down to find any physical evidence linking Condit to Chandra's disappearance Ultimately They didn't come away with much Just a few hairs they found In one of his shoes

And fibers from his dryer's lint trap But the reporters waiting outside Didn't know that All they saw was evidence bags being loaded into cars and the glow of a black light shining through the windows of Condit's fourth floor apartment. And so, even though Condit had willingly submitted to the search as a way to show the police he didn't have anything to hide, it just made him look even guiltier to the public. Especially because two days later, on July 12th, the Washington Post reported that a few hours before the search,

someone saw Condit throw something suspicious into a trash can outside a McDonald's. The witness went to see what it was and found a small box for a Tag Heuer watch. The watch itself wasn't inside, but there was a manual and a warranty that had the watch's serial number. The witness, who knew about Condit's involvement in the Chandra Levy investigation, about Condit's involvement in the Chandra Levy investigation, told the police about what he'd found. They were able to trace the serial number and confirmed it belonged to the watch that Condit's former girlfriend, the woman known as Janet, had given him. It was another example of strange behavior from the congressman.

It seemed like a lot to go through to hide evidence of a former affair that didn't even have anything to do with Chandra. Robert and Susan Levy were quick to voice their suspicions. Speaking to a gaggle of reporters outside their home in Modesto, California The Levy's called for the D.C. police to make Condit take a polygraph test Better known as a lie detector Here's the thing about lie detector tests though Results can be faked And they usually can't be relied upon as hard evidence. That being said, they can still

help investigators decide if they're on the right track with the suspect or not. So the police decided to ask Condit to take the test. And on the afternoon of July 13th, Condit's lawyer called a press conference to share the results. The lawyer told the assembled reporters that Condit had been asked three important questions. 1. Did you have anything to do with the disappearance of Chandra Levy? 2. Did you harm her or cause anyone else to harm her?

And three, do you know where she can be found? And the results showed that Condit, quote, was not deceptive in any way. But there was just one problem with that. Condit had refused to let the police administer the test. Instead, he'd hired an independent party to do it without the police's knowledge. Now, the man who'd given Condit the test was a highly respected former FBI agent, who was one of the leading experts on lie detector tests. But even so, it didn't sit well with the police. Condit had gone behind their back to take the test, and they had to take him at his word that the results were genuine. And by this point,

it was pretty hard to take Gary Condit at his word. And right around this time, the case file for Chandra's disappearance changed hands. She'd been missing for more than two months, and the investigation was turned over to the FBI's cold case unit. Normally, the detective in charge would be given more time to investigate, but because Chandra's disappearance was so high profile, the FBI wanted to get involved sooner. The new special agents in charge were Brad Garrett and Melissa Thomas, hardened operatives with a proven track record, and they wanted Condit to sit down with them for one more interview.

The night of July 26th, Special Agents Garrett and Thomas spent about an hour and a half talking with Condit. Unlike the three previous interviews, they weren't all that interested in the more salacious details of Condit's relationship with Chandra. Instead, they wanted Condit to give them a better picture of who Chandra was as an actual person, to see if that could point them towards any new leads. Their lines of questioning made it clear that they did not think Gary Condit was a suspect in this case. Even though he'd been extremely reluctant to provide any details about his relationship with Chandra, there was no actual evidence that he had anything to do with her disappearance. He had a solid alibi, and nothing had turned up in the

search of his apartment to suggest there was any foul play on his end. If anything, the FBI agents were frustrated with the fixation on Condit in the nearly three months since Chandra had gone missing. The longer a case like this went on, the less likely the person would be found, and in their opinion, a lot of time had been wasted on going after Condit so hard. But even though Condit was in the clear with law enforcement, we still had to salvage his reputation with the public. All the negative press on him had cratered his political prospects, and if he didn't right the ship soon, he wouldn't stand a chance of getting re-elected. So Condit and his team decided to grant an exclusive interview

to ABC's Connie Chung. She had a reputation for being sympathetic while still maintaining her journalistic integrity. Her show would be the perfect platform for Condit to reset his image. Condit sat down with Chung on August 23rd at his home outside of Modesto. Unlike most of Chung's interviews, which were pre-taped and edited, this one would be live, right in the middle of prime time. At first, everything seemed to be going according to plan. With almost 24 million people tuning in, almost 24 million people tuning in, Chung asked Condit if he had anything to do with Chandra's disappearance, and he firmly denied it. But when the conversation shifted to their affair, things started to fall apart for him. Even though he had told the police everything, Even though he had told the police everything, Condit still couldn't bring himself to be honest with the public. I've not been a perfect man, and I've made my share of mistakes, but out of respect for

my family, and out of a specific request from the Levy family, I think it's best that I not get into those details about Chandra Levy. On the surface, this seems like a pretty suitable non-answer that allows people to read between the lines. But people wanted a clear-cut yes or no from him. And even worse, Chandra's family had not asked Condit to answer the way he did. When Robert and Susan Levy heard him say that, it was like a punch to the gut. The interview was an abject failure. Instead of saving Condit's career, it completely tanked it. His days in Congress were numbered, and he knew it.

But the Connie Chung interview was about to be the least of Gary Condit's problems. A few weeks after the interview, in mid-September 2001, a lawyer representing an inmate at the Washington, D.C. jail called the U.S. Attorney's Office. an inmate at the Washington, D.C. jail called the U.S. Attorney's Office. The lawyer said that his client, Ramon Alvarez, had some information he wanted to share. Alvarez claimed that in late August, he was working out with another inmate named Ingmar Guandique. The two of them had become friends during language classes at the jail, and they were both awaiting sentencing for violent crimes. Alvarez for armed sexual assault,

and Guandique for attacking two women in Rock Creek Park, the nature preserve right by Condit's apartment. the nature preserve right by Condit's apartment. While they lifted weights and chit-chatted about their legal woes, Alvarez noticed something was off about Guandique and asked what was wrong. Guandique told him that there was another crime he'd committed that nobody knew about. He said that he had killed Chandra Levy, and he also claimed Gary Condit had paid him to do it. Thanks so much for listening.

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