Murder: True Crime Stories - UNSOLVED: The Murder of Jeannette DePalma 1

Episode Date: May 5, 2026

In 1972, 16-year-old Jeannette DePalma disappeared from her quiet suburban neighborhood in Springfield, New Jersey, and at first, no one treated it as a crisis. Known as a rebellious teenager with a c...omplicated reputation, many believed she had simply run away. But as weeks passed with no word, that assumption began to unravel. In Part 1 of Murder: True Crime Stories, Carter Roy examines Jeannette’s life, the conflicting perceptions that shaped her story, and the early investigation that struggled to gain traction. When her remains were discovered weeks later in a nearby quarry under unsettling circumstances, the case took a darker turn and set the stage for a mystery that would only grow more complex. Head over to our Murder True Crime Stories YouTube channel to WATCH our video episodes: https://www.youtube.com/@MurderTrueCrimeStories If you’re new here, don’t forget to follow Murder True Crime Stories to never miss a case! For Ad-free listening and early access to episodes, subscribe to Crime House+ on Apple Podcasts. Murder True Crime Stories is a Crime House Original Podcast, powered by PAVE Studios 🎧 Need More to Binge?  Listen to other Crime House Originals Clues, Crimes Of…, Serial Killers & Murderous Minds, Crime House 24/7, and more wherever you get your podcasts! Follow me on Social Instagram: @Crimehouse TikTok: @Crimehouse Facebook: @crimehousestudios YouTube: @murdertruecrimestories To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hi, listeners, it's Carter Roy. Real quick before today's episode of Murder True Crime Stories, I want to tell you about another show from Crime House that I know you'll love, America's Most Infamous Crimes. Hosted by Katie Ring, each week, Katie takes on one of the most notorious criminal cases in American history. Serial killers who terrorized cities, unsolved mysteries that keep detectives up at night, and investigations that change the way. we think about justice. Listen to and follow America's most infamous crimes, Tuesday through Thursday
Starting point is 00:00:38 on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, or wherever you listen to podcasts. This is Crimehouse. We like to think we know the people around us. Whether it's a friend or a family member, we put stock in the tiny details. Their routines, little inside jokes, a favorite song on the radio. But the truth is every person exists in fragments. There's the version their parents see, and the version their friends know, and the version they keep hidden from everyone else. And when something terrible happens, those fragments don't always come together neatly. Sometimes they splinter even further.
Starting point is 00:01:35 Memories shift, rumors grow, and before long, a person's life is reduced to competing stories, each one claiming to explain who they really were. In 1972, 16-year-old Jeanette De Palma went missing in suburban New Jersey. In the weeks and months that followed, there were all sorts of narratives about what happened to her. Some thought she'd hitched a ride with the wrong person. Others were sure she was the target of a satanic sacrifice. Over time, the story grew even. stranger until eventually the truth seemed to disappear altogether. And Jeanette De Palma was no longer
Starting point is 00:02:20 just a person. She was a myth. People's lives are like a story. There's a beginning, a middle, and an end. But you don't always know which part you're on. Sometimes the final chapter arrives far too soon and we don't always get to know the real ending. I'm Carter Roy. And this is Murder True Crime Stories, a crime house original powered by Pave Studios. New episodes come out every Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday, with Friday's episodes covering the cases that deserve a deeper look. Thank you for being part of the crime house community.
Starting point is 00:03:07 Please rate, review, and follow the show, and for ad-free access to every episode, subscribe to Crimehouse Plus on Apple Podcasts. This is the first of two episodes on the murder of 16. year old Jeanette De Palma in Springfield, New Jersey. Today I'll introduce you to Jeanette. At 16 years old, she was like any other teenager, curious, hard to pin down, and a little rebellious. So when she went missing in August of 1972, everyone, including her own family, had assumed she'd run away. Six weeks later, that theory would be debunked in the worst way possible. Next time, I'll walk
Starting point is 00:03:50 through the decades-long investigation. Detectives had several suspects, but with so many conflicting stories about Jeanette, they had a hard time pinning down what had really happened to her, or why. And because of that, we're still searching for the truth all these years later. All that and more coming up.
Starting point is 00:04:23 In the mid-1960s, Florence and Salvatore de Palma moved their large Italian Catholic family from Jersey City to the smaller New Jersey Township of Springfield. Although the two places were only about 20 miles apart, and they couldn't have been more different. Jersey City was a major urban center and constantly bustling with activity, while Springfield was a quiet suburb. Florence and Salvatore thought it seemed like the perfect place to settle down and raise their children, especially because they'd found a nice house in a newly developed area called Springfield Top.
Starting point is 00:05:01 They had seven kids, and some had already moved out, but their youngest daughters were still at home, Gwendolyn, Jeanette, and Cindy. Jeanette was the second youngest and around 10 years old when the family moved to Springfield. Gwendolyn was two years older than her, and Cindy was one year younger. It seems like the girls settled in pretty quickly. It wasn't long before they each had a solid group of friends who were showing them around Springfield. But as time went on and they became teenagers, Florence started to worry. The girls were sneaking out of the house, smoking weed and cigarettes and making out with boys.
Starting point is 00:05:43 Not exactly shocking stuff for teenagers. But Florence was extremely religious. And she wanted her kids to uphold those same morals. experimenting with sex and drugs definitely didn't fit the bill. But that wasn't the only reason Florence was on edge. Springfield was a small town, the kind of place where everyone knows each other and everyone talks. That meant the whole neighborhood knew what the De Palma girls were up to. I'm sure they weren't the only teenagers getting into trouble,
Starting point is 00:06:18 but Florence and Salvatore were very concerned about what their neighbors thought of them, and they probably weren't happy that their daughters were making them look bad. The thing is, Florence and Salvatore had already done plenty of damage to their own reputations, and it had nothing to do with their children. Salvatore was the owner of a salvage yard in nearby Newark, and there was talk that he was involved in the mafia. Those rumors were probably fueled by Salvatore's own behavior. Although there wasn't any documented physical,
Starting point is 00:06:53 abuse. The police were called to the De Palma resident several times because the neighbors had heard screaming and fighting coming from the home. By the time the authorities arrived, whatever argument Salvatore and Florence were having had fizzled out. Each time Florence would send the officers away, she didn't want them getting into what she considered a family affair. And although Florence was worried what her neighbors thought, she didn't want to. them in her business. But she wasn't really helping her case. She and Salvatore kept to themselves and rarely socialized. That only made people gossip even more. Maybe Florence didn't realize that was the case because her main focus was on raising her girls and getting them through high school.
Starting point is 00:07:44 At first, Jeanette went to the private Catholic high school in town, but for some reason she switched to the public school, Dayton Regional, halfway through. through. While she was there, she continued her rebellious streak. Rumors flew around school that she liked experimenting with hardcore drugs, although really it was just weed, and only if someone else had it and offered it to her. According to Jeanette's cousin, Gail Donahue, Jeanette was pretty innocent, all things considered. She wouldn't even know where to start when it came to anything more intense than marijuana. One day when they were having to her, hanging out at Gail's house. They decided to raid Gail's father's liquor cabinet. They took a sip
Starting point is 00:08:28 of schnapps, then whiskey, with both swirling around her mouth. Jeanette started jumping up and down. She told her cousin to join in so they could mix up the alcohol in their stomachs and get drunk faster. Obviously it doesn't work that way, but Jeanette didn't know any better. Still, all those rumors about her probably had something to do with Jeanette's hard exterior. She had this look about her that made it seem like she was constantly uninterested, and she never faked a smile to fit in. She was often described as tough, fast, and wild. Even if those characterizations overlooked her more sensitive, vulnerable side,
Starting point is 00:09:13 and there was some truth to them, Jeanette definitely wasn't the type to put up with anyone's crap, and while she wasn't usually the one to start trouble, she wouldn't back down if someone came at her. Like the time that she and her cousin Lisa snuck out and hitchhike to go see some boys, then ended up in a fight with each other. And they started throwing punches and beat each other up pretty badly. By the time Jeanette's mother was called to pick them up,
Starting point is 00:09:42 Florence assumed the worst and thought the two guys, girls had been sexually assaulted. I don't know what actually happened, but Jeanette and Lisa just laughed it off and said it was nothing. Beyond all that, Jeanette also had a reputation as being a promiscuous party girl. She was always crushing on some boy or another, and she and her cousins were constantly sneaking out to hang out with the opposite sex. One police officer even said that he had to break up quite a few of her backseat hookups in the park. However, there were never any official filings or formal complaints lodged at the police department against her. And one of Jeanette's sisters and another friend disagreed with the officer.
Starting point is 00:10:27 Oh, there might have been some making out, but nothing more than that. In reality, Jeanette contained multitudes. While she was breaking the rules and sneaking around with boys, she also made a point to participate in church outreach with her cousins. She spent weekend mornings handing out flyers and spreading the word. Her cousin Lisa described them as, quote, little hippies trying to teach people about Jesus. For most of their life, the De Palmas were devout Catholics. But at some point in the early 70s, Jeanette's little sister, Cindy, went with another family to a Sunday service at a new church.
Starting point is 00:11:11 It was called the Assemblies of God Evangel Church. members have described the services differently. Some said the church was mellow, though there were definitely mentions of burning in hell if you sinned. But others said it was more intense involving speaking in tongues, faith healing, baptism, demon castings, and high tithes. Either way, Cindy, who would have been around 13 at the time, became enamored with the church, so much so that she convinced her parents to join her, next Sunday. Soon, the whole family was going, and Florence and Salvatore declared themselves born-again evangelical Christians. But in a town that was largely Italian-American Catholic,
Starting point is 00:12:00 that was seriously frowned upon. Now the De Palmas weren't just getting weird looks for being antisocial. They had also betrayed their faith. So, when one of the De Palma girls eventually went missing. The town wondered whether it was karma or if she'd gotten wrapped up in something far more unholy. Think about some of the cases that defined true crime in America. Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, the kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart, the Karen retrial. Some crime cases are so shocking. They don't just make headlines they forever change a country. I'm Katie Ring, host of America's most infamous crimes. Each week, I take on one of the most notorious criminal cases, whether it's unfolding now or etched into American history, revealing not just what happened, but how it forever
Starting point is 00:13:02 changed our society. Serial killers who terrorized cities, unsolved mysteries that kept detectives up at night, and investigations that change the way we think about justice. Each case unfolds across multiple episodes, released every Tuesday through Thursday, from the first sign that something was wrong to the moment the truth came out or didn't. These are the stories behind the headlines. Listen to and follow America's most infamous crimes available now wherever you get your podcast. On the morning of Monday, August 7th, 1972, 16-year-old Jeanette De Palma rolled out of bed and made her way downstairs for breakfast. Summer was still in full swing, so Jeanette was enjoying her last days of freedom. She lazily made her way into the kitchen.
Starting point is 00:13:53 Chin then stopped in her tracks when she saw both her parents sitting at the dining table. They told her to sit down. They had something they needed to talk to her about. Jeanette racked her brain, wondering if she had done something to get in trouble. But she did as she was told and took a seat. After a few moments, her parents said that her cousin, Lisa, was missing. She had run away from home, home almost a month ago. Jeanette thought she'd misheard them. A month was a long time.
Starting point is 00:14:31 How is it possible that she was only learning about it now? Her parents admitted that they'd kept the news from her because they thought Lisa would come back home and it wouldn't be an issue. It wasn't the first time Lisa had disappeared. She had a habit of running away, but she always came back. But she'd never been gone for so long. Florence and Salvatore felt like they had no choice but to finally tell Jeanette. They thought Jeanette would understand.
Starting point is 00:15:02 But she didn't. She was pissed that they'd lied to her. She pushed her chair back from the table and stormed upstairs to her room. She didn't have an appetite anymore. Jeanette stewed the rest of the morning. But her parents had already moved on. Her mom assigned her chores, enlisting Jeanette to scrub, the bathrooms clean. That only frustrated Jeanette Moore. She and her other cousin, Gail Donahue,
Starting point is 00:15:31 had plans to hang out with a couple of cute boys that afternoon. Now Jeanette didn't think she could go. The bathrooms would never be clean in time. When she called Gail around 11 a.m., her cousin was having none of it. She insisted that Jeanette find a way to get out of her chores. There was no way she was going on her own. Gail kept pushing until finally, Jeanette relented. She said she'd come up with some excuse and hitchhike over to Gales, and something the girls did all the time. So a couple of hours later in the early afternoon, Jeanette told her parents that her boss had scheduled her for a last-minute shift at work that night. When her mom offered to drive her, Jeanette waved her off. She said she would walk the three miles to the train station on her own. Florence watched as Jeanette grabbed her
Starting point is 00:16:27 purse and headed out the door, wearing a blue shirt and tan slacks. It seems like her mom bought the work story. Plus, Florence knew her daughter was angry with her, so it made sense that she would choose to walk instead of getting a ride. Florence figured she'd let Jeanette blow off some steam and they could talk things through later. But Florence had no way of knowing that when Jeanette walked out the door, it would be the last time she ever saw her. The afternoon turned into evening and soon night fell over the town, but Jeanette still wasn't home. Florence and Salvatore thought that was strange. Even if her shift had gone late, she should have been home from work by then, and if she went somewhere afterwards, she should have called. The De Palma started
Starting point is 00:17:22 phoning Jeanette's friends to see if anyone had seen or heard from her, but no one had. I don't know if they called Gail, but even if they did, Gail probably would have tried to cover for her cousin, not realizing the gravity of the situation. Still, the De Palmas kept their cool. They waited until the next morning to sound the alarm. When Jeanette said, still wasn't back. Florence and Salvatore felt they had no choice but to go to the authorities. They tried to lodge a missing persons report, but the local police said they couldn't declare her officially missing until it had been a full 48 hours. If you're familiar with missing persons cases, you know this is a common misconception, and it was back then too. But the DiPomas weren't
Starting point is 00:18:12 prepared to argue with the police, so they waited unsure what else to do. Once another 24 hours had passed, they returned to the Springfield Police headquarters and officially reported 16-year-old Jeanette missing. That said, Florence and Salvatore weren't that worried? When investigators interviewed them about Jeanette's last known movements, they provided a lot of short, unhelpful answers. They gave off the vibe that they wanted this solved, but they also wanted this behind them before the whole community knew their daughter had run away. Florence and Salvatore told the police that maybe Jeanette had gone looking for her cousin Lisa, or maybe she'd gone off to New York City to live out the dream of being a girl
Starting point is 00:19:02 in the Big Apple. Without anything more concrete, the initial search for Jeanette wasn't exactly intense, since pretty much everyone, including her parents, thought Jeanette had run away. It was a low-priority case. The assumption was that at some point, she would simply come home. The only thing suggesting otherwise was that Jeanette hadn't taken any extra clothes. Nothing was missing from her bedroom besides the purse she'd taken on her way out and the clothes she'd had on her back. Jeanette's cousin Gail was one of the few who didn't buy the runaway story.
Starting point is 00:19:44 She told the police that if Jeanette had planned on abandoning her life, she would have known. Jeanette was her best friend. They told each other everything. But as one week turned into two and everyone kept repeating the same story, Gail started to believe it too. Well, maybe the De Palmas were right, and Jeanette had left her behind for the big city. Even though it would hurt to know that her cousin had lied about something so huge,
Starting point is 00:20:17 part of Gail hoped it was true. It was better than the alternative. But something in Gail's gut told her that everyone was wrong. Something bad had happened to Jeanette. She just knew it. and unfortunately, it wasn't long before Gail was proved right. 16-year-old Jeanette was last seen on August 7th, and by the start of September 1972, there was still no sign of her.
Starting point is 00:20:50 No one could track her down in New York City. She hadn't called any friends, and around this time, her missing cousin Lisa had returned to Springfield. The idea that Jeanette would also come home, seemed less and less likely. At that point, the Springfield police started to consider the idea that there was foul play involved. One of the first people they questioned was a friend of Janette's, a boy named Lewis, who lived down by the golf course. It seemed like the only reason the police suspected him was that he was into heavy metal and had long hair.
Starting point is 00:21:29 Sure enough, there was nothing to indicate that he'd been in the... involved in Jeanette's disappearance. After interrogating Lewis, the police let him go. And for some reason, that was the last local teenage boy they investigated. None of Jeanette's boyfriends or flings got the same treatment. The only real piece of information the police learned in those first few weeks was that Jeanette had made an unplanned stop the day she went missing. On the way to meet Gail,
Starting point is 00:22:02 Jeanette swung by her friend Donna Bladiss's house. It's not clear why Jeanette went there when she told Gail she was going to hitchhike, but Donna lived nearby, so the theory is that she was looking for a ride. Donna was grounded, though, so she couldn't help. Plus, Donna's mom wasn't Jeanette's biggest fan, so she didn't let Jeanette linger too long. Beyond that, Donna and her mom didn't have much information. to offer the authorities, but it was the only clue detectives had.
Starting point is 00:22:37 They didn't have any other confirmed sightings or leads. About a month after Jeanette De Palma went missing, the authorities were stuck at a dead end. Two more weeks would pass without any other developments, until eventually a stranger made a gruesome discovery. The morning of Tuesday, September 19th, 1972 was like any other day for the elderly superintendent of the Balthus Rol Gardens apartment complex in Springfield. The new two-story red brick building sat near the town's quarry and golf course, and the superintendent was busy making sure everything was running smoothly. At some point, she headed outside to check on something in the yard.
Starting point is 00:23:26 She barely made it down the front steps when she noticed something. strange at her feet. She looked down, ready to scold one of her tenants for leaving their trash. But when she got a closer look, her annoyance turned to horror. There was an arm in front of her. A detached, decaying, human arm. Hi, listeners. It's Carter Roy. I wanted to take a moment to tell you about another show from crime house that I know you'll love. America's most infamous crimes. Hosted by Katie Ring, each week Katie takes on a notorious crime, whether unfolding now
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Starting point is 00:25:03 Spotify, Amazon Music, or wherever you listen to podcasts. On the morning of September 19, 1972, the superintendent of the Balticerold Garden's apartment complex found a human arm discarded on the ground. After the initial shock wore off, she immediately called the police. That Tuesday, patrolman Donald Schuert was doing his rounds on the north side of Springfield when the call came in from dispatch. Schfert was ex-Navy and had worked at the Postal Service before turning to police work. He loved being an officer and serving the community, but Springfield was a quiet suburb without much to really investigate. So when he heard the call on the radio, he thought there must have been a mistake. Surely there wasn't really a detached human arm left on the lawn of an apartment building,
Starting point is 00:26:03 especially because Schfert had heard that some local kids had been harassing the superintendent of that complex lately. This must have been some kind of new practical joke, but when Schuert arrived on the scene, he realized how wrong he'd been. The first thing Schuert did was take pictures. To him, it seemed like the arm had been left out in the elements for quite a while. They would have a tough time trying to identify who it belonged to without finding the rest of the body. And that would be the next steps. So once he had his photos, Schfert called dispatch and asked for backup.
Starting point is 00:26:45 Two more patrolmen arrived to help. As Schwert spoke to the superintendent, they began knocking on doors in the apartment building. They asked everyone who answered if they had any idea how the arm might have ended up on the front lawn. No one seemed to have a clue. Until, finally, they found a tenant who mentioned that she'd let her large Dalmatian, out to run that morning. It was the best lead the officers had. They thought it was possible the dog had found the arm somewhere else while running and had carried it home. It wasn't long before the police chief got involved. Surely the rest of the body had to be nearby if the dog had happened
Starting point is 00:27:30 upon it, so the chief began coordinating search efforts with his officers and detectives. He also asked the sheriff's office to bring in a bloodhound. About four hours after the arm was first discovered, the official search party went out looking for the rest of the remains. They first looked around an abandoned swim club nearby, but found nothing. Then they broke up into teams and spread out through the Houdai quarry. It backed up the Baltis roll golf course and was just across the street from the apartment complex. But this was no easy task. and the quarry was around 120 acres.
Starting point is 00:28:13 Finding a body in there would be like finding a needle in a haystack. While other officers went there, patrolman Schuert and his colleagues searched along the new Interstate 78 next to the quarry. That was when he stumbled upon another discovery, the upper portion of the arm. Schuert felt sick to his stomach. the top of the arm must have fallen off while the dog was carrying the rest back to the apartment complex. But if that was the case, Schfert was sure the rest of the body was nearby, probably at the quarry.
Starting point is 00:28:54 He and his partner entered the who die quarry, where other officers were already searching. There was a bluff at the top called Devil's Teeth Cliff that overlooked the whole area. something told them they needed to go check out the top. So they began hiking up, which was a process in and of itself. It was so steep that they had to pull on shrubs and tree branches to steady themselves. Schwarz made it up first, and once he got there, his worst fears were confirmed. The body was lying face down on a flat area on top of the hill. It was so decomposed that Schfert couldn't make out whether the victim was male or female.
Starting point is 00:29:42 To make matters worse, it looked like animals had already started picking at the remains. Still, there were some identifying features. The victim wore a blue T-shirt and tan slacks. They had no shoes on, but flip-flops were discarded nearby. Schfert knew that's exactly what Jeanette De Palma was wearing the day she vanished. Not only that, but Jeanette was the only missing person they had in town. After seeing the clothing, Schuert was certain. He just found Jeanette De Palma.
Starting point is 00:30:23 But there was something strange about the scene. It looked like two sticks had been placed above her head. in the shape of a cross. There were also stones arranged around her in a semicircle, almost like a halo. Schwert made a note of it, then radioed the rest of the force, letting them know the news. Within minutes, more investigators were on the scene. They all saw the gruesome state of the victim, and they all saw the weird placement of the sticks and stones. One of them even whispered that it looked like witchcraft.
Starting point is 00:31:06 Suddenly the name Devil's Teeth took on a whole new meaning. That was definitely concerning, but before diving into those details, they had to figure out who the victim was, and if it really was, Jeanette. The officers searched the area for clues, and soon they found a pocketbook. But there was no ID inside or anything else that indicated who the victim. victim might be. Soon after, detectives arrived on the scene, including Detective Sergeant Sam Calabrese. From the moment he got there, Calabrese took over the investigation. At that point, Schfert felt like he and the other patrolmen were pushed aside, even though he was the one who'd
Starting point is 00:31:49 found the body. Still, there was nothing he could do about it. This case was now in the hands of Calabrese and the other investigators. Like the patrolmen, the detectives scoured the area for any additional evidence. They spent hours combing through the brush but found nothing. They weren't sure whether they were dealing with a homicide, a suicide, or an accident. The medical examiner, Dr. Arenberg, couldn't determine the cause of death either. Even once they moved the victim and Arenberg took x-rays, he was stumped. The scans revealed no broken bones or fractures, and there was no evidence of any bullet holes or knife wounds.
Starting point is 00:32:39 While Dr. Aaronberg ordered further tests, the detectives focused on identifying the victim. They all suspected it was Jeanette De Palma, but given how decomposed the body was, they needed dental records to be sure. One day after the gruesome discovery, Detective Calabrese contacted her dent. dentist. It's not clear how Calabrese found him, but once he did, things moved quickly. In a bittersweet twist of fate, the dentist had seen Jeanette earlier that summer for a filling appointment, so her x-rays were recent. The dentist went to the morgue with Calabrese and began comparing Jeanette's records tooth by tooth. When he finished, he stood up. He could say, without a doubt, that the victim on the table was Jeanette De Palma. Detective Calabrese let out a deep breath. They had an ID,
Starting point is 00:33:41 but that was only the beginning. Now he had to figure out what exactly had happened to the 16-year-old. Was she the victim of a tragic accident? Had she somehow done this to herself? Or was there something much darker going on. Maybe even something satanic. Thanks so much for listening. I'm Carter Roy and this is Murder, True Crime Stories.
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