Murder With My Husband - 305. Caught by the Algorithm: How Geo-Fencing Solved a Murder

Episode Date: January 26, 2026

On this episode, Garrett and Payton explore the murder of Mitchell Jones Jr. and how a missing cell phone became the key to finding his killer. Links:Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/murderwithmyhu...sbandPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/murderwithmyhusband NEW MERCH LINK: https://mwmhshop.com Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-dark/id1662304327 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36SDVKB2MEWpFGVs9kRgQ7?si=f5224c9fd99542a7 Case Sources: AJC.com - https://www.ajc.com/news/local/cops-use-location-data-solve-fatal-cobb-stabbing/m8EoRZ78PnHICOz3PBhOgL/ Fox5Atlanta.com - https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/da-technology-links-suspect-to-bloody-cobb-county-murder CobbCountyCourier.com - https://cobbcountycourier.com/2020/01/geofencing-technology-leads-to-arrest-and-life-sentence-in-austell-murder/ WSBTV.com - https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/murder-case-goes-unsolved-months-until-now-thanks-cellphone-data/IBDH236Y2NEY5P2ANV6KXEZR64/ Oxygen.com - https://www.oxygen.com/the-real-murders-of-atlanta/crime-news/dunte-holmes-murdered-mitchell-jones-jr-in-atlanta-why BurtonQuinnScott.com - https://www.burtonquinnscott.com/obituaries/mitchell-jones-jr 11Alive.com - https://www.11alive.com/article/news/crime/technology-leads-police-to-killer-who-will-now-serve-life/85-165784c9-2907-40d7-8811-35c2664d47fe CobbCounty.gov - https://www.cobbcounty.gov/courts/news/technology-led-police-killer-who-will-now-serve-life A&E’s Witness to Murder - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzR5cgoXyPg Peacock and Oxygens - Real Murders of Orange County - https://www.peacocktv.com/watch/playback/vod/GMO_00000000394555_01/54a37b5f-3685-39bf-8c85-44608454ce82?orig_ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F InfoCrime.data.blog -https://infocrime.data.blog/2020/03/16/bloodshed-and-big-tech-how-google-helped-police-catch-a-killer/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 You're listening to an Ono Media podcast. Hey everyone, welcome back to the podcast. This is Murder with my husband. I'm Peyton Morland. And I'm Garo Morland. And he's the husband. And I'm the husband. And...
Starting point is 00:00:11 Happy Monday. What, okay. Like, people could be watching this on Netflix. Happy Monday. Thank you for being here. Tune in on Netflix. It's a little different, but we're going to try not to think about it. It's just a regular episode, the regular week, the regular day.
Starting point is 00:00:28 Okay. Wait. Chill. if you're listening and you have no idea what we're talking about or you're watching and you're like, huh? Garrett and I's podcast is now available on Netflix. So there might be new people listening or there might be some OG listeners who have also transferred over. Now, if you are new, I'm just going to give a quick rundown of what this is. If you randomly clicked on it and they're like, what the...
Starting point is 00:00:55 What's happening? What is going on? I'm Garrett. And I'm Payton. And we're married. Yes, we are husband and wife. And six years ago, out of the blue. We started a podcast.
Starting point is 00:01:07 We started a podcast. I love true crime. And I have always quote unquote hated it. Hated it as in. I'm not interested in it. I don't watch true crime documentaries. I don't watch or listen to anything true crime. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:20 So I was wanting to do something in true crime. And I was telling Garrett, I was like, oh my gosh. Like I want to start a podcast. I just don't know who. to have as a co-host because I don't want to do it alone and he was like, well, I'll be your co-host. And I was like, Garrett,
Starting point is 00:01:36 you hate your crime. Like, how would that work? And he was like, well, maybe that can be the thing. You love it and I hate it. And six years later, here we are on Netflix. We're still here. We're still making episodes and we're so glad that you guys love it.
Starting point is 00:01:51 Quick. So Peyton tells me a new case each week. I never know what case Peyton is telling me. I don't, I usually don't know anything about the cases unless it's a high profile case and I've come across it on the news or on social media. But even my social media, TikTok, Instagram has nothing to do with true crime. So again, I don't know anything about the cases. I am non-scripted. I don't have any scripts, any parts at all. Yeah. And I just do the research. I basically create a research paper and
Starting point is 00:02:24 then give a summary overview of a different case each week to Garrett and you get his perspective from someone who absolutely hates true crime and mine as someone who has loved true crime since I can remember. And yeah, that's basically it. We could ramble forever, but we won't. If you heard a bark, that is our dog Daisy, who is a part of the show who's currently barking at us. She's the official mascot. But essentially, the meat of the podcast is you are just getting nitty-gritty details about true crime cases from someone who loves it and someone who hates it. Now, before we jump into every single episode, we do something called Garrett's 10 seconds, which is basically Garrett's time in the podcast to number one, start us off on a lighter foot
Starting point is 00:03:07 before we get into murder. And number two, just venture into his world for a second because most of the script is my take on true crime. So yeah, this is his time to shine. I'll make this pretty quick because you'll kind of get used to my first. my 10 seconds and see a lot more of it if you keep listening. And we've already been rambling for a little bit at the beginning of the podcast. So my 10 seconds this week is for those who have been listening and know about the podcast
Starting point is 00:03:40 is I've been working on opening a bagel shop. If you don't like bagels, it's not for you and I'm sorry. But if you do like bagels, I'm opening a bagel shop. It's happening. Permit has been acquired. It is in my hands. I started construction. We should be done in about eight to ten weeks, and then we'll be opening.
Starting point is 00:03:58 It's crazy. I'll keep everyone updated. I know everyone's always like a bagel. Bagel shop. It's going to be amazing. I'm excited. On that note, let's hop into today's case. Our sources for this episode are AJC.com, Fox5 Atlanta.com, Cobb County Courier.com,
Starting point is 00:04:16 WsbTV.com, Oxygen.com, Burtonquinscott.com, 11alive.com, com, cobcounty.gov, A&E's Witness to Murder, Peacock and Oxygen's, Real Murders of Orange County, and Infocrime.Data. Dot Blog. Orange County. Privacy. It's something a lot of us
Starting point is 00:04:35 don't even really think about anymore, especially when it comes to what we are sharing through our phones. We offer up our location to friends and family to keep each other safe. We literally post what we're doing in our day-to-day lives for complete strangers to see. And sometimes we don't even know what terms we're agreeing to, like sharing our cookies
Starting point is 00:04:57 and search history with private companies, all by checking one little box on a web page. Now, with technology, we've obviously surrendered a lot of our privacy, sometimes unknowingly. Sometimes we don't even really care. But usually, we don't think about the consequences it might have later on. And that's the thing about cell phones and web pages and social pages and social media platforms, they are designed to keep that fine print hidden to make you feel like your privacy is locked away in that little screen. The truth is, when we agree to a lot of these terms and conditions, privacy is honestly no longer a right. It becomes a privilege. And when you disrupt the social order, when you break the rules society is put into place, those secrets that you thought were
Starting point is 00:05:50 contained in your cell phone can be used against you and in ways you didn't even know were possible. So today I am taking you to Atlanta, Georgia, as we dial back the clock to 2018. Now, over the years, Atlanta has become a pretty major hotspot for the entertainment industry. Thanks to tax breaks and other incentives, the city has become kind of the Hollywood of the South production. for a lot of movies and TV shows have migrated to this state, which means a lot of people pursuing their dreams in the entertainment career have as well. And that's including 31-year-old Mitchell Jones Jr. Mitchell was born in Erie, Pennsylvania on August 7, 1987. After graduating high school in 2006, he went on to study the arts at Gannon University. This was a private Catholic
Starting point is 00:06:50 college in his hometown. While there, Mitchell worked at the local Christian center and had a few different sales jobs. But after graduating, there was one dream he knew he needed to pursue. Acting. Mitchell decided to follow those dreams by heading south to Atlanta. He found a place just outside in Marietta, Georgia, and there, it seemed like Mitchell really blossomed. He kind of came out of his shell. He told friends he never really felt safe in Erie, but in Atlanta, he could be himself, he didn't have to hide, which was an important shift for Mitchell, who was also gay. Have you seen those videos recently of all the actors, like having to act in anything that's like action or sci-fi? Like they're just acting in front of nothing? You know what I'm talking about?
Starting point is 00:07:42 Like on the screens? Yes, like on green screens and stuff. I could never be an actor. It does go to show you how talented they really are. Not that it's cringy, but kind of. Oh, yeah. Like just playing pretend. I mean, good for them because I could not do that. But you know what I'm talking about? Have you seen those?
Starting point is 00:07:58 Yeah, like in... Like stranger things. No. They just posted one and they were... Like in a clips when she's petting a guy in a green suit? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. And pretending it's Jacob. Ew.
Starting point is 00:08:10 I know. Ew. I couldn't do it. Okay. So, like I said, Mitchell, he worked in a Christian center back home, but he is gay and he's now moved to Atlanta and he's like, oh my gosh, I feel a lot more comfortable here. And as Mitchell established a life and started building his career in Georgia, he gained a huge circle of friends. And they all said Mitchell had
Starting point is 00:08:34 an incredible energy. He was a blast to be around. He was funny and lighthearted. He also dated around, but kept things mostly casual as he was focusing on acting. And everyone who knew him at this time didn't mince words when they said he was actually extremely talented. Now, unfortunately, not many people would get to see Mitchell's talents on the big screen because his life was cut short that November 2018. Now, it's the day after Thanksgiving. So Black Friday, November 23rd, 2018. And that night, a woman named Lynette Hurt hears a commotion in the apartment next to hers.
Starting point is 00:09:24 So this apartment obviously shares a wall with Mitchell Jones Jr.'s apartment. And while he sometimes plays his music a little louder than she would prefer, she actually really likes Mitchell, their good neighbors. She's older than him, but she would cook for him. She kind of became a shoulder for him to cry on. She was sort of like an aunt to him at this point, and she's used to him having friends over and things getting a little rowdy. But for some reason, this Black Friday feels a little different. It sounds like Mitchell is actually fighting with someone in his apartment. There's yelling and banging,
Starting point is 00:10:03 but Lynette doesn't want to be the nosy neighbor by knocking on Mitchell's door. It's after 9 p.m., she figures, okay, whatever is going on over there. there, it's Mitchell's business. So she just goes upstairs and heads to bed. Now about a half hour later, the local 911 operator receives a phone call. It's around 9.30 p.m. when a man calls and says he's hurt and he needs them to send help. I can't, I'm bad. Okay, tell me exactly what happens, sir. Tell me the address.
Starting point is 00:10:39 He doesn't offer his name. He can't even muster the strength to give them his address. All he can say is he needs the police because he's dying. Now, luckily, 911 traces the call to an address, 3,400 Lori Joe Dry. Now, around 10 p.m., police and first responders enter the place easily, the front door is unlocked, and they hear someone upstairs calling from the bedroom saying, help me. When they get up there, they find a black male lying on his bedroom floor up against a wall, covered in blood. And he keeps saying he was shot, even though his wounds,
Starting point is 00:11:20 to responders, appear to be more like stab wounds. Okay. Now, this victim is in and out of consciousness. So when they ask who did this to him, he says he can't tell them his name. But the police are wondering if he can't or if he won't.
Starting point is 00:11:39 So without even getting the victim's name, they rush him off to the hospital, and then they find his wallet, an ID. This is 31-year-old Mitchell Jones Jr. But who did this to him? And why? Well, that question becomes even more pressing as the night goes on, because Mitchell doesn't survive the ride to the hospital.
Starting point is 00:12:03 Gosh. He is pronounced dead before they even get there, which is so devastating to me. in cases like this when a victim themselves is aware enough to try and call police and get help and police do respond, but they end up not surviving anyways. Like, I just can't, I don't like thinking about those last moments. So the police now have a homicide investigation on their hands. And the silver lining is they have a good amount of blood evidence at this crime scene
Starting point is 00:12:38 that might actually help them identify Mitchell's attacker. See, Mitchell had been stabbed in the face. Oh, my gosh. In his head and his torso, which meant it was unlikely he ever even made it out of the bedroom with those injuries that night. So when they find that there's blood on the wall outside of the bedroom leading down the staircase
Starting point is 00:13:02 and then those drops of blood... Jeez. ...are on the door frame, headed outside, they're pretty confident that this blood belongs to a different person because Mitchell most likely never even left his room and bled in the apartment. We've talked about this before on the podcast. Usually when someone is stabbed many times, it's usually a case of some sort of rage or passion or something.
Starting point is 00:13:30 So we'll see. Especially because Mitchell's bedroom showed signs of an intense struggle. There's broken items and things turned over in the room. Whatever happened here went down with a fight. It was very unlikely that the attacker left without injuries of their own, which could also help them potentially identify a suspect later on if they find them soon enough. But there's something else any seasoned police officer will tell you. Or Garrett, this was a crime of passion.
Starting point is 00:14:05 Whenever you have a stabbing like this, it's intimate, it's close, and it's personal. I've done too many of these cases by now. It's just, it's getting out of hand. I think I'm going to have to quit. That theory was reinforced by a few other clues around the place. Like all of these lit candles, which made it seem like Mitchell was maybe expecting a romantic encounter that night, it maybe potentially went wrong. plus Mitchell was in his underwear when he was found. There's no murder weapon in the house that they can find, and police are very careful about collecting any blood evidence they can at the scene. They also realize when they go to look for Mitchell's phone,
Starting point is 00:14:48 they can't find it, at least not the one he typically used. Mitchell did have a backup phone, which he used to dial 911, but they discover early on that this isn't his primary device. and when they couldn't find his usual phone, they believe there was only one possibility, and it was that Mitchell's attacker, whoever did this, took the phone with him.
Starting point is 00:15:13 Jeez. And by the following day, the investigation was really starting to heat up. Police began camscing the neighborhood to see if there were any other witnesses to the crime. Now, of course, they spoke with the neighbor, Lynette, who heard parts of the altercation. though unfortunately nothing she said was very useful for the investigation.
Starting point is 00:15:37 And can you imagine she wakes up the next morning and police are knocking on her door like, hey, your neighbor was murdered last night? And she's like, oh my gosh, I genuinely heard this fighting and was like, I don't want to be a nosy neighbor. Yeah, but like how are you supposed to know, right? You don't. You never know. But just imagine that reality the next morning and how awful that would be. Yeah. I mean, a lot of people would put blame on themselves, but hopefully not.
Starting point is 00:15:59 No, there's nothing to blame. They didn't do anything, yeah. So there is another neighbor, though, who did give police a good clue. Their property directly faced Mitchell's home and the night before, they caught something on their outdoor camera. It showed a car pulling into the driveway at 909 p.m. And then the same car pulled out and sped off about 20 minutes after that. This was right around the time that Mitchell placed the 911 call. Police are obviously like, okay, you literally got our killer on doorbell footage, which is pretty usual nowadays.
Starting point is 00:16:40 Police couldn't get a license play off the grainy footage. They couldn't even really tell the make and model of the car, but they were able to zoom in on the brake lights, which helped them narrow it down. And eventually they decided they were looking for a dark, colored Buick Lucerne. Which actually, that's a pretty good clue because it's not a car that everyone's driving. It's not like it's a Honda Accord or a Honda Civic. Right. So that really does narrow things down quite a bit. How do you guys feel about organizing your finances on your own?
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Starting point is 00:18:24 they saw that same car pull into his driveway on a few earlier O.K. I don't even know what that car looks like. This is someone who had been there quite a bit, which proved to the police Mitchell had known this person after all. Now, at this point, the police were trying to follow every lead they could. They had subpoenaed Mitchell's phone records and were waiting on them to come back. And meanwhile, they were looking into everyone Mitchell was close to just trying to figure out his life.
Starting point is 00:18:52 They knew he had a big social life and that he had dated a lot, which only made their pool of potential suspects larger. But when they speak to Mitchell's mother, she says there's one close friend Mitchell had in Atlanta that was like a sister to him. That if anyone knew the details of Mitchell's personal life, it was probably her. Her name was Jasmine. And when police speak with Jasmine, she says, there was this one guy. Mitchell was dating before he died that was giving off a lot of red flags. That there had been some physical altercations between the two of.
Starting point is 00:19:29 them already, which actually fit something Mitchell's neighbor, Lynette, had told police too that there was a night prior to the murder when she also heard Mitchell fighting with another man. But the following day, she saw them outside together laughing. So she was like, okay, maybe it was just a little fight. Still, police are like, this lead is worth pursuing. So they have Jasmine tell them more. She says, Mitchell and this guy had broken up a few weeks before he died. Apparently, things reached a breaking point when Mitchell kicked him out of his place one night. Problem is, Mitchell had never told Jasmine this guy's name.
Starting point is 00:20:06 Apparently, they weren't all that serious because Mitchell only ever referred to him to Jasmine as that boy. Interesting. I wonder if they met on, like, a dating website, like Tinder or something. We'll get there. Yeah. Though he had shown her a few photos of this guy, the boy. And in one of those photos, Mitchell sent that boy had his shirt off and he had a lot of tattoos, including one on his arm that read, Rest in Peace, Brandon, with the date of a death. So police see this photo and they see an opportunity here.
Starting point is 00:20:43 They go online and they start looking for a Brandon that passed away on that specific date. And they find someone who they think could be the Brandon referred to. in this mysterious tattoo. And when they look at Brandon's social media, they find that he's friends with a guy that looks exactly like that boy in the photo that Mitchell had been seeing. Please discover his name is Eric Hopkins.
Starting point is 00:21:11 This being a pretty good lead, they immediately start looking into Eric's background, and they find he actually has a criminal history. He had stabbed one of his previous lovers before. It was during a domestic dispute, though I'm pretty sure his partner survived. The coincidence was too much to ignore, though. So the next...
Starting point is 00:21:34 I just hate... DV cases are so hard because there's almost always past, like, convictions or... A history of abuse. A history of abuse. And then it sucks because they abuse, abuse, abuse, abuse. And then a lot of times they kill someone. And it's just like, what are you supposed to do about that? frustrating.
Starting point is 00:21:55 It's definitely frustrating. You want to be like, what, how was this allowed? Yeah. Obviously, the next step was to get this Eric guy down to the station.
Starting point is 00:22:03 So investigators try the nice way. They call him and ask, Hey, Oh, good luck. Do you know a man named Mitchell Jones Jr.? And he says, yes. And when they tell him,
Starting point is 00:22:15 okay, well, he was killed a week ago. Eric responds by saying, Are you serious? Now, to police, he does sound genuinely shocked. shocked in those audio recordings. But he must know this doesn't look very good for him because at this point he refuses
Starting point is 00:22:32 to speak with the police and says they're going to have to contact his attorney. He wants nothing to do with the investigation, which honestly. I mean, good answer, honestly. Not that dumb of him to be like one of my past boyfriend's lovers was killed and now you're calling me to ask about it. Yeah. So this is when police realized they're going to have to get him down to the station a different way if they actually want to talk to him. But luckily for them, Eric has violated his
Starting point is 00:22:59 parole for that stabbing charge. So 10 days after the murder, they move in and force Eric down to the station for an interview. Now, Eric openly admits he wasn't really in a relationship with Mitchell. They had just kind of fooled around occasionally more of like a situation ship. But the last time they spoke was a few days before the murder. So right before Thanksgiving. He denies having been to Mitchell's house that night or having anything to do with the murderer. But his alibi that he gives police isn't the strongest. He says he was at a movie that night. And while the person he went with seemingly vouches for him, there's no other evidence that he was there. So police decide to take a sample of his DNA because they want to compare it to the blood found in Mitchell's home.
Starting point is 00:23:52 But until they get those results back, they decide to keep pursuing Eric. Because right now, he's kind of the best lead they've got, which is why they get a search warrant for his phone to see what he's been up to. When they get a search warrant, I feel like I've asked this before, and they're searching his phone. I assume they don't actually, do they actually, like, grab his phone? or do they like grab it and make a copy of it? Do you know? Usually they confiscate the phone.
Starting point is 00:24:23 Like the actual phone, okay. Yeah. And if they have, okay, so like, say police were responding to an overage person talking to an underage person. And they show up and both those people are there or even just the overage person is there. They will take their phone like on scene. They will be like, this is, you know, a part of our investigation.
Starting point is 00:24:45 Yeah, yeah. That makes sense. I think in this case, they have the warrant, and I'm assuming they probably confiscated his phone. Interesting. Now, not only do they find that Eric and Mitchell spoke many times in the two weeks before his murder, he also called a second number a lot. So this other guy in Eric's phone was named D'Andre Fleming. Now, basically, they want to rule out the possibility that Eric may have had.
Starting point is 00:25:16 someone else kill Mitchell for him. So police follow this trail, which leads them to DeAndre Fleming's parents' house where he's still living. And when they get there right off the bat, they notice something suspicious. Because what do you think is literally sitting in DeAndre's parents' driveway when police pull up? The Buick. The car. A dark-colored Buick. I mean game over at that point. Just like the one that was seen coming and going.
Starting point is 00:25:46 pretty often from Mitchell's house. So police feel like they're steps away from solving this case. They feel like they're on the right track. They knock on the Fleming's door and they speak with DeAndre, who is seemingly very cooperative. But when they ask, okay, do you know Eric Hopkins? He's like, hmm, no, the name doesn't ring a bell. Which is hilarious considering all the calls that just came from. Yeah, he's like, okay, you're being a little sketchy.
Starting point is 00:26:16 since we obviously know that you called his phone a bunch. So they pull out a picture of Eric and they show him. They're like, well, this is Eric. Are you sure you don't know him? And right away, D'Andre's like, oh, yeah, that guy, I play video games with him. He says, they never met in person, but the Eric has used D'Andre's phone as a hot spot to play video games before. I'm a little confused because I was that not possible if they haven't played in person? Like for a hot spot, you have to be somewhat near that person to use it. Yes. Let me explain it to you. So that doesn't make sense. So the explanation of why the phone calls are there, if he's only used it as a hotspot, actually does make sense to police. Because when your phone links to someone's hotspot,
Starting point is 00:27:11 it actually appears like a phone call on your records. Okay. That's kind of how it's. shows this activity. Now, again, like Garrett just said, I had the same exact question. What I personally found strange about this was how Eric linked to D'Andre's hotspot if they never met. Because as far as I'm aware,
Starting point is 00:27:28 you need to be in close proximity to link to someone's hotspot. So maybe the two were neighbors, but just didn't know each other well. Either way, his story did seem to check out to the police, especially because when they look at D'Andre's cell and type in Eric's number, no past correspondence on text or the phone log come up.
Starting point is 00:27:52 It really is just the hotspot. I'm really confused about this hotspot thing, but I'm going to ignore it for now. Well, it's annoying because none of the sources or even police explain why. That doesn't make any sense at all to me. They're like, yep, it was just him connecting to the hotspot, but they've never met in person.
Starting point is 00:28:12 Like, there's no explanation about it. It's literally like impossible. All we have is that police apparently went forward with this explanation. Okay. Either way, I mean, all I can do is just take what I'm learning from sources. But either way, they decide to take a look inside the Buick. They're like, hey, can me look inside the Buick? And this is when they realize there's no blood or DNA evidence in the Buick that they can see.
Starting point is 00:28:40 It seems like it's just a coincidence. that this random guy was hooking up to this guy's hot spot, and it's completely random that his parents drive a Buick. Get out of here. That's insane. And police are like, okay, well, I don't think we have any choice but to clear him. Like, all the evidence makes sense in his connection to D'Andre. And so he's cleared. Because police get word that the blood found inside Mitchell's home that night
Starting point is 00:29:10 is actually not a match for Eric Hopkins. So like, okay, we only got to D'Andre through Eric, and now we're learning that the blood that we believe is from the attacker is not even Eric Hopkins blood. In fact, when they run that DNA profile from the crime scene through CODIS, there's no match in there either. Meaning investigators are basically back at square one when it comes to evidence. This was until they get the records back on Mitchell's missing cell phone. So they are getting his records through his like logs and cell phone activity. And here's where technology falls short. While your phone records show who you call and text with, it obviously doesn't show who you've been messaging over social media apps.
Starting point is 00:29:57 You would only be able to find that through going through someone's phone. Correct. And getting into their app. So if you send someone a DM to come over to your house, that's not going to come up through a subpoena to say Verizon. You'd have to subpoena the social media. media platforms themselves to give you access to that specific user's data. Or actually physically have the person's phone, which I just don't think happens very often. Well, I mean, the phone's missing.
Starting point is 00:30:23 They literally until they find the attacker. Okay, okay. And then even then, you got to know passwords or you still have to get a subpoena to get the password. I wasn't thinking about that. So it's obviously a tedious process. Now the police were hoping Mitchell would have texted or called the person who he invited over that night, but they don't find any evidence of that on his logs. the last person he spoke to was his neighbor. So they believe that this conversation probably happened
Starting point is 00:30:47 through a social media platform, which they don't have access to at this time. However, they do notice something else interesting when they get his records back. Remember Mitchell's phone wasn't at the crime scene? When police got there, he had used a backup cell phone to call 911. His primary cell phone actually moved to the area of downtown Atlanta after his murder. So police are like, well, let's just go to his cell phone's last known location because we believe the attacker had it. And it is an empty lot in downtown. They're like maybe the suspect just ditched it there. But they have no luck finding the cell phone in this empty lot. So this case hits another roadblock. That was until March of 2019. One of the detectives on the case had just come back from an FBI
Starting point is 00:31:39 training seminar where he learned about a new technique they were teaching known as geo fencing. I think we've talked about geofencing before on the Egypt Covington case, but in case you missed it, here is how it works. Google has this technology called sensor vault. So whether you like it or not, if you have a device that is using Google, it is tracking the device's location at all times, whether you have your location history or permissions on or not. So Google has the ability to track you whether you're like yes or no. Google then stores all of this information in their sensor vault database. And ever since 2016, law enforcement has been hitting up Google to get this information
Starting point is 00:32:27 when they think it might solve a crime. There's even new special warrants for this kind of thing called geo-fencing warrants. So what's kind of cool about this geo fencing thing is that when a police department goes to Google with a geofencing warrant, they are basically saying, hey, we need a list of all the cell phones that were in this specific chosen area, which is really cool. Because if you have like a crime scene in a specific area of town, you can be like, hey, we need to know every single cell phone that was in this area from this time to this time and get a warrant for it. So Google basically hands over a map of a chosen area. And that map shows what cell phones were inside a perimeter at a certain time. So in Mitchell's case, that map would be the area around his apartment during the date and time of his murder. Now, this technique is becoming more and more common in solving cases,
Starting point is 00:33:22 which is why you're hearing more and more often that murderers are leaving their phones at home, like serial killers or turning their phones off because they don't want their phone with them, even if their location services are turned off. There's one stat I actually found from 2019 where Google said they received about 180 requests for geo fencing data a week. Now, I imagine it's grown exponentially since 2019. Holy crap, that's a ton. And by the way, it's not just Google. If you have your location settings on, any service provider can say where your cell phone was at at any given date in time.
Starting point is 00:33:59 I'm down. That doesn't bother me. Police don't have to rely solely on pings from cell phone towers now, which have already been messy when it comes to true crime. And it's like pain, it's so complicated to deal with pings. It's so complicated. They can really narrow it down to a small radius to see exactly where your cell phone was. And if you're carrying it, where you were and when you were there. Now, in terms of this investigation, police paired that geoffence down to the 500 feet surrounding Mitchell's.
Starting point is 00:34:31 home in a 45-minute window around the time of his 911 call. And they rule it down to four devices based on who came and went during that time. Because if someone's like sitting in their house, their phone's going to be there the whole time versus coming, murdering someone and leaving. Now, two of those devices actually belonged to an elderly couple that lived down the road. So they kind of crossed them out. One was someone who was visiting a friend on the block. So they crossed them out.
Starting point is 00:35:01 And then there was one that really stood out to investigators. Someone who left the geofence moments before Mitchell placed his 911 call. Someone who hadn't even been on the police's radar before. Oh, man. A 22-year-old man named Dante Holmes. Okay. Dunte had a history of aggravated assault and theft, but he wasn't in the CODIS database, which explained why police,
Starting point is 00:35:31 police might not have gotten a hit on him through his DNA. So they get a subpoena for Dunte's phone because they're like, hey, this was in our, it covered our warrant, so now we can get a subpoena for his phone. And they find an image he had uploaded to E cloud right after the time of the murder. It's a picture of a bloody wound on his leg. But that's not all. They find out that Dunday's mother, had a brand new Buick, the time of Mitchell's death, and then sold it quickly after the incident. That's insane.
Starting point is 00:36:12 That's insane. Also pretty damning. Remember how Mitchell's phone traveled to the downtown Atlanta area right after his death? Well, guess whose phone was right there traveling alongside Mitchell's phone at the same time, Dantes. So this is more than enough to get an arrest warrant for, Dante Holmes and on April 12th, 2019, almost six months after Mitchell's death, Dante is taken into custody. And one of the first things they do is take some of Dante's DNA to run it against the blood sample they have. And then they start interrogating him, which he does agree to without an attorney present.
Starting point is 00:36:52 Now, at first, Dante profusely denies having anything to do with Mitchell's murder. In fact, he denies knowing Mitchell at all. And then little by little, throughout the interrogation, he begins to change his story. He says, okay, yeah, I do know Mitchell, but we just hooked up once or twice. I didn't even actually know his name. And the last time he saw him was actually back in September, two months before the murder. Obviously, police know this isn't true. The Buick was spotted on Mitchell's neighbor's security camera several times in the weeks leading up
Starting point is 00:37:30 to the murder. So even if it was like September and then he just came back to the murder, that's still a lie. I think it's so funny because the geo-fencing also has him literally in the area. So it's just like, come on, man. Give it up. This is why it's like police don't release all their cards or all their evidence even to the media. 100%. Because you can catch people in lies like this. And once you catch them in a lie, then they have to backtrack and they lie again. Like, it's just over at that point. But even though he's caught in these lies, he's not really budging. So the interrogators change their tactic. They start playing the, how's your family going to feel about all of this card?
Starting point is 00:38:09 And listen, you will feel better if you'll just confess because we have all this evidence. We know you're lying. And then Dante finally gives in. He says, okay, he went over there that night because he was going to call it quits with Mitchell. He claims Mitchell called him over to talk about things, invited him up to his room. and he claims it was actually Mitchell who started this. Dante says, I turned around for a second when I was in his bedroom.
Starting point is 00:38:36 And then when I turned back around, Mitchell was standing there with a knife in his hand. What a loser because no one can, like there's no witnesses to be like, oh, he's lying. Right. So it was just like, come on, man. So Dante claimed that's when Mitchell tried to stab him and Dante then acted out of self-defense.
Starting point is 00:38:55 They get into an intense struggle, fighting over the knife, and Duntee said that was when Mitchell cut his leg. Eventually, he got the knife out of Mitchell's hands and stabbed him in the back and then just kept going, all in an effort to protect himself. He then took the knife and Mitchell's phone with him in a panic and fled the scene before getting rid of both items later on. Instead of calling 911 and saying, oh my gosh, this guy just tried to stab me, and I stabbed him back in self-defense, like, please can you come here?
Starting point is 00:39:26 Dundee said it was never his intention when he arrived at Mitchell's home that night for things to go down the way they did. But police aren't really buying it. They think if Dante really did show remorse for what he did, he wouldn't have stolen the victim's cell phone, making it harder for him to call for help, which is most likely why he even took the phone. He likely would have called 911 on his own to say what had happened. Yeah. At least now they have a confession, though, whether or. he's saying it was self-defense or not. And soon, they do get confirmation
Starting point is 00:40:00 that his blood also matches the blood on the door frame found at Mitchell's house, which is more than enough to get him indicted on charges of malice murder. This is a criminal offense in Georgia when a murder is committed with express or implied malice. They also get him on aggravated assault
Starting point is 00:40:19 and aggravated battery, as well as two counts of felony murder. It's safe to say the prosecution feels pretty confident about their case against Dante. However, they aren't sure how this geo-fencing technology is going to translate to a jury. Are they going to understand it?
Starting point is 00:40:36 Are they going to trust it? And will they think it's also a violation of personal privacy? Luckily, that's not the only evidence they're working with. They do have Dunday's confession and his DNA at the crime scene. So they decide to pursue the death penalty. And that's
Starting point is 00:40:52 when Dunday's attorneys think, okay, maybe we should start talking about a plea deal. Three weeks before Dante's trial is set to begin in January of 2020, his lawyers say he's changing his plea to guilty to avoid the death penalty. Which at that point, you're just admitting everything, right? Right. He is sentenced to life in prison. With that, the state of Georgia solves one of, if not, its first case ever using geo-fencing technology. And Mitchell Jones gets the justice he deserves. Why?
Starting point is 00:41:29 Like why? Like why? What was the reason? What was even the motive? He never actually gives one. He says he does the typical I'm pleading guilty because I don't want the death penalty, not because I actually did this. Like did they get in a fight?
Starting point is 00:41:43 Like what was, we'll never know, I guess. And the prosecution theory was just that like a lover's quarrel, maybe didn't want to be broken up with whatever it had happened. But I mean, the truth is we'll never know. But I do think it's important to know as far as true crime goes, geo-fencing has actually sparked a lot of controversy in the years since Mitchell's case. I get it.
Starting point is 00:42:05 While law enforcement sees it as an incredibly useful tool, others are afraid it's a slippery slope when it comes to an invasion of privacy, especially because like any crime-solving method, it is not completely fail-safe. Yeah. Take the case of George Molina. in Phoenix, Arizona, for example. Back in 2018, 23-year-old George, a warehouse worker, was arrested after a geo-fence placed
Starting point is 00:42:34 him at the scene of a murder. He spent the next week in jail, arguing for his innocence before he was released. It was then determined that George's stepfather was to blame for the murder. He had George's phone in his car while it was happening. I mean, yeah, who's to say who's carrying whose phone? It's just a phone, not necessarily that the person is there. Now we learn from like, did you actually have your phone? Can we prove that person actually had that phone?
Starting point is 00:43:02 So it's not as like concrete as maybe people once believed. And even though George was released from prison after a week, the mistake was never fully corrected. The arrest has stayed on his record. An arrest for murder, mind you. Which will make it very difficult to find work and support in the future. because you have an arrest for potential first-degree murder on your record, all because his cell phone was in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong person, in his father's car, which is like completely normal.
Starting point is 00:43:36 And then there's obviously the argument of privacy guard and I were talking about, should it be a right or a privilege? Of course, there's the idea of I have nothing to hide. I'll show you the contents of my phone. But some people see this as a complete invasion of their personal space regardless. that even if they have nothing to hide, the government and law enforcement agencies should not have complete access to their lives
Starting point is 00:43:58 and know where they are at 24-7. Because as we know from doing this show and even in George's case, sometimes even those with nothing to hide are blamed for things they didn't do. At least in Mitchell's case, geo-fencing did lead to a success story. Mitchell's father even praised it
Starting point is 00:44:17 when he spoke to the press. And if it weren't for those new tools, Donte Holmes might be out there walking free today because they never would have linked him to Mitchell. And that is the murder of Mitchell Jones Jr. Horrible. I just, I mean, I guess we'll never know the actual motive, but we do so many cases and we've done so many cases.
Starting point is 00:44:43 And to kill someone will never stop blowing my mind. I'll never be able to understand it because it's not okay. We don't kill people. We just, yeah, we don't do it. We got to control our emotions. There's so many other ways to handle things. And it's crazy to me that people just kill people. Honestly, I've been down the like police body cam footage rabbit hole lately, you know, just out of, I don't know, just when I have free time.
Starting point is 00:45:12 And I've been watching police responding to murders and having their body cam on. and it's just like lovers fighting murders. I honestly had to turn it off. Any type of DV is just, oh, it's so sad. Because it just feels like what? Hello? Like control your emotions. But all right, you guys, that was our episode today.
Starting point is 00:45:38 And we will see you next time with another one. I love it. And I hate it. Goodbye.

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