Murder With My Husband - 306. The TikTok Double Homicide - The Murder of Ana Abulaban and Rayburn Barron

Episode Date: February 2, 2026

In this episode, Garrett and Payton break down the chilling case of a TikTok personality whose online persona blurred into real life. What began as imitation of a fictional villain spiraled into obses...sion, control, and ultimately a brutal double homicide. Links: Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/murderwithmyhusband Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/murderwithmyhusband NEW MERCH LINK: https://mwmhshop.com Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-dark/id1662304327 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36SDVKB2MEWpFGVs9kRgQ7?si=f5224c9fd99542a7 Case Sources:NBC San Diego - https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/san-diego-tik-tok-ali-abulaban-sentenced-murder/3552934/ SanDiego.gov -  https://www.sandiego.gov/sites/default/files/102521_update_on_double_homicide_in_east_village_high_rise.pdf CBS8.com - https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/crime/arraignment-double-homicide-suspect-in-downtown-san-diego-shooting/509-40cc1b5a-5de0-43f2-acf3-9cee5748e9c1 TimesOfSanDiego.com - https://timesofsandiego.com/crime/2024/05/20/mother-psychologist-testify-in-san-diego-tiktok-stars-double-murder-trial/#google_vignette NYPost.com - https://nypost.com/2024/09/12/us-news/tiktok-scarface-star-who-murdered-wife-and-her-lover-mockingly-claps-while-sentenced-to-life-in-prison/#! 10News.com - https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/san-diego-news/mother-psychologist-testify-in-jinnkid-trial-of-east-village-killings People.com - https://people.com/ali-abulaban-verdict-guilty-of-murdering-wife-and-her-male-friend-8655603 Oxygen.com - https://www.oxygen.com/crime-news/tiktok-star-murders-ali-abulaban-ana-sentence USA.Inquirer.net - https://usa.inquirer.net/156275/tiktok-star-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-for-killing-fil-am-wife EOnline.com - https://www.eonline.com/news/1307216/tiktok-star-ali-abulaban-pleads-not-guilty-to-double-murder-of-wife-and-male-victim RollingStone.com - https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/tiktok-murder-wife-ali-abulaban-trial-1290372/ Variety.com - https://variety.com/2024/film/news/tiktok-star-murders-audio-killing-50-cent-1236047494/ Tik Tok Star Murders - https://www.peacocktv.com/watch/playback/vod/GMO_00000000233437_02_HDSDR/406cadce-7c0a-30c5-bd61-5dc18313f8d4 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 You're listening to an Ono Media podcast. Hey everybody, welcome back to the podcast. This is Murder with my husband. I'm Peyton Morland. And I'm Garene. And he's the husband. And I'm the husband. Happy, happy Monday.
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Starting point is 00:01:20 You can get links to all of our stuff. Go check it out. Okay. I think that puts us right into your 10 seconds. Enough with the announcements. Ten seconds. I'm getting sick. I'm not feeling good. I'm getting a sore throat. I posted about this on my Instagram before, but sore throats have to be the worst thing. Like, there is nothing worse than a sore throat. If you're congested, you can take medicine. You have a headache. You can take medicine. Body aches suck, but, I mean, they go away and you just sleep all day. You can't, you can't. I haven't found anything. I can do about a sore throw. I've taken everything under the sun. I have tried every home remedy. Unless someone has some crazy witch craft drink, I can drink. I just, I can feel it. I know it's happening. And I know it tomorrow I'm going to wake up. I'm going to be like, oh my gosh,
Starting point is 00:02:15 this sucks. Anyways, that's my 10 seconds. I'm getting a little sick. That's okay. Also, if anyone has any tips, I kind of need some help. Daisy is probably the best dog in the world. She's amazing. She's so trained. She never has any accidents. She's just a good dog. But maybe it's my fault. Maybe it's our fault. She gets me up at the same time every night at around 3.30 a.m. because she needs to go to the bathroom. And she does need to go. So I don't know if we're giving her water to. The problem is she goes poop. It's not that she goes pee because we're giving her water. She takes a dump at 3.30 a.m. every single night. She's embarrassed.
Starting point is 00:03:01 And I get up and I take her and it's 10 degrees outside and I sit there and I'm like, Daisy, please hurry up. And she takes a dump every night and I don't really know what to do. We can't do doggy door. She's too small to be going outside. There's big animals that could get her. So she can't go out alone. And so I have to take her out and that's fine. I do it every single night.
Starting point is 00:03:22 But if anyone has any tricks, it doesn't even matter what time we feed her. I'll feed her at 12 in the afternoon or I'll feed her at 11 o'clock at night, 3.30 a.m. Dump. I think we just have to say no. But I don't want her to poop on my bed. I know, but I think she just, it's her routine. Yeah, I think it is. I think you're right.
Starting point is 00:03:42 I think at this point she's so used to me taking her at that time. She's like, I go potty in the middle of the night. We did get up. We're going potty. This is our thing. Anyways, that's it. Rambling a little bit. Let's get into today's case.
Starting point is 00:03:58 Our sources for this episode are NBC, San Diego, San Diego.gov, CBS8.com, Times of San Diego.com, New York Post, 10News.com, people.com, oxygen.com. USAInquirer.com. Eonline.com, rollingstone.com. Variety.com. And TikTok star murders.
Starting point is 00:04:17 Oh, okay. That makes a little sense. because nowadays anyone can become a celebrity without ever stepping foot out of their front door. With things like YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, even only fans, all you really need is a cell phone to get your face in front of thousands, if not millions of people. But when fame is that accessible and that achievable to just about anyone, the smallest taste. can be like a drug. Every single like can create a serotonin boost. Every positive comment is a hit that leaves you wanting more.
Starting point is 00:04:59 And if this attention starts to fade away, it can be like an addict coming down from a high. And over time, it can turn people into someone we no longer recognize, including a cold-blooded killer. Oh, okay. And so today I want you guys to meet Anna Marie Abu-Labon. Hello. Piba, babe. Sorry, I do. Now, Anna spent her early years growing up in the Philippines in the mid-90s.
Starting point is 00:05:30 But with her father in the military, they eventually moved to Okinawa, Japan, and lived on the base there. And that's where Anna made a lot of lifelong friends, other kids who were living on the base, in this subtropical part of the country. They made memories on the beaches there together. And friends of Anna said in the early years, she was like most teenagers. She was a little nerdy. She was finding herself.
Starting point is 00:05:58 She loved video games. She was maybe a little insecure, socially awkward. But Anna was one of the most caring, compassionate people they had ever met. And she was a loyal friend through and through. And those friends helped her find her comments. over the years as she blossomed into a beautiful, empowered young woman. And then she met Ali Abulaban. It was 2014 when 21-year-old Anna laid eyes on 22-year-old Ali for the first time.
Starting point is 00:06:34 He was a U.S. soldier in the military from Virginia, but also stationed on the base in Japan where she lived. And while she was quiet and more reserved, Ali was always the center of attention. He had a huge personality. He was the singer in a band. And right away, they gravitated towards each other in an opposites attract sort of way. Ali came from a Middle Eastern Muslim family, so they were a lot more religious than Anna's family. But Ali himself didn't consider religion a big part of his like outside. life personality. In fact, he almost seemed to butt heads with his family quite a bit when it came to traditionalism. He was always sort of the black sheep of the family, the loud, boisterous one who was making home videos, doing different skits and dances and characters for the camera. It was clear to everyone who knew, Ollie, that he wanted to make something of himself one day. Honestly, he kind of wanted to be a star, which may be why he found that college or
Starting point is 00:07:43 wasn't for him. He dropped out early and joined the Air Force when he was around 19 years old. Ali told people he really wanted to better himself, both mentally and physically, and he felt the Air Force was the way to do that. So he was stationed in Japan for what was supposed to be about two to three years of service, but things didn't go exactly as planned. So not long after Ali and Anna started dating, they were out at a bar with a few other people. And that night, a drunk Ollie got into a fight with one of Anna's friends and actually assaulted them. Some thought it was because Ollie was jealous. This person had made a pass at his new girlfriend. Really, it was just one of the earliest red flags. And I'm not sure exactly what happened during this
Starting point is 00:08:36 fight, but I do know it got back to Ollie's superiors on base and it got him discharged. from the military, which meant Ollie was now headed back to America. But he and Anna weren't quite ready to call it quits, because just a few weeks after Ollie returned to live with his family in Bristow, Virginia, in 2015, Anna learned she was pregnant. Now, by this point, Anna's family had moved back to the Philippines, and after Ollie went back to America, Anna moved back in with her parents in her home country to figure out her next step. So they've both left Japan, returned home to their families, but
Starting point is 00:09:18 Anna is pregnant. But now it seemed like the universe was making decisions for them. Both Anna and Ali were excited but nervous, though they saw this as a sign that they were definitely meant to be together. So Ali helped Anna apply for a visa so she could move to the United States and they could be together as a family. Now, of course, this did take some time, and eventually Anna gave birth to the couple's little girl back in the Philippines, and they named her Amira. And when she was about nine months old, Ollie and Anna received some good news. Anna was approved to move to the states with their young daughter. And by the end of 2016, Anna and Amira were in Bristow, Virginia, living with Ollie and his family all underneath the same roof.
Starting point is 00:10:16 Now, in January of 2017, they decided to make their relationship more official. They didn't have a huge elaborate wedding. Instead, they just went down to the courthouse. But to Ollie and Anna, only one thing was important at the time, starting their lives together as one happy family. And around this same time, social media was seeing a massive shift. shift. TikTok formerly, musically, had launched in 2016, and it was clear that anyone could become a celebrity from their own home using nothing but their phone, maybe a ringlight. I think this
Starting point is 00:10:53 first started with Vine, where you were seeing average people blow up and get so many followers. And for Ollie, it was the perfect fool. As the kid who always wanted to entertain and be the center of attention, Ollie saw TikTok as a way to gain more exposure. early on, get his face and his antics in front of more people. So he hopped on the app a lot earlier than the rest of us, and he navigated it pretty well. He began making little comedy videos, imitating characters from video games, characters from movies like John Wick, and his iconic Al Pacino and Scarface. And honestly, he was pretty good at it. He really committed to the bit and was incredible at doing impressions.
Starting point is 00:11:39 And little by little, he gained a following on the app under the handle, Jin Kid. On TikTok? Yes. Okay. So a gin in Japanese is like an entity or ghost, if I'm understanding right. And Ollie thought it was a catchy word to attach kid to. And since he had served in Japan, well, came up with the name.
Starting point is 00:12:02 And from there, it was off to the races. And the more views, likes, and followers he got, the more Ollie lost himself in Jin Kid. He becomes obsessed with his platform. He begins including Anna in a lot of his videos. It almost seemed like something they really enjoyed doing together. And a lot of those early TikToks, they're seen together laughing, joking around, having a lot of fun. Anna would even play characters in some of his skits. She said it brought them closer than ever before.
Starting point is 00:12:37 Social media is such a wild place. It's crazy. Unlike anything else out there. Right. Especially those early days. Yeah. I mean, even now, though, like it's just such a, like an escape. Like, you don't know what's real.
Starting point is 00:12:54 You don't know what's not real. You don't know how people really are behind closed doors. It's just such an interesting place. And think like 2017, 2018, couples doing skits. was not as big as it became in like 2021. Yeah, sure. So they were definitely like early on that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:11 Now, she says it really brought them closer together. And it actually brought even more attention to all these page by having on it in those videos. So they become a couple page essentially. And then around 2019 into 2020, probably like for any other TikToker, things really started picking up steam. Ollie got himself a manager to help promote his. content. He started getting some small brand deals, becoming an influencer. Plus, his videos were
Starting point is 00:13:40 going viral by now. One day, one of Anna's old friends was fed Jin Kids content on her feed and was shocked to see Anna in a video alongside him. And that's when a lot of people started to realize they were becoming TikTok famous. By 2020, keep in mind, this is one like most of us were getting on the app, Ali had amassed two million followers. And Anna's fame was starting to grow separately on her own account now. Now, when the pandemic hit Anna, bored and stuck at home, began making her own videos with her friends. And partially thanks to Ollie, her following got bigger and bigger too.
Starting point is 00:14:23 Soon her style changed. She began dressing differently. She began working out more. She was getting brand deals. She was finding her confidence. But it wasn't really what made her happy. Her family, daughter, and friends were what was most important to her. And unlike Ollie, TikTok felt more like a hobby to her than a passion.
Starting point is 00:14:46 And while she was definitely getting more attention online, she felt lonelier and lonelier at home as they began blowing up. I wonder, gosh, 2010, this is such an awkward time because, they probably weren't making their money full time from brands. Like it was just, it was still pretty new at that point, I feel like. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:15:07 I mean, like, Hype House probably hasn't even started yet. Yeah, so it's like, I don't know if brands were really, I would assume paying what. They pay now.
Starting point is 00:15:14 They pay me now. I don't know, no idea. I've never done a TikTok ad, so wrong person to ask. But it was definitely right around the corner. Like, it was definitely about to get big.
Starting point is 00:15:25 She's feeling lonelier at home, though, because even though they're like, what should be on a high because of the way their life is changing. Ollie was dedicating a lot more of his personal time to his own social media presence. Her friends said she felt like she was living Ollie's life, not her own, like her whole life had become this TikTok thing. He had his family in Virginia,
Starting point is 00:15:50 but her family and friends were so far away back in the Philippines. So that's when one of her friends, Julia, who was living in San Diego at the time, suggested, hey, like, leave Virginia and come out to California and visit. She figured a vacation and a break from being a mom and a wife for just a weekend might do her some good. And that trip really changed everything for Anna and Ollie. So after having to convince Ollie to let her go, Anna goes and falls in. in love with the city. And she sort of got a piece of herself back, felt a little bit independent. She and her friends were getting dressed up, going out dancing, and being back with friends,
Starting point is 00:16:38 many of whom she had grown up with in Japan, made her realize how much she missed having her own circle around her. Interesting. Yeah, that'd be tough. That'd be tough. And if you're not someone who like, well, also, she's just a mom. She has an entire life. It's not as easy as like just being a young adult on your own going somewhere new and trying to make friends. So when she gets back to Virginia, she pitched something to Ollie. She's like, hey, why don't we move to California for a little while? Try it out. It definitely took some convincing. But with L.A. being just a few hours from San Diego, Ollie saw the benefit for his career. Ultimately, he wanted his fame to grow beyond TikTok. He wanted to become an actor, a comedian, get on a big.
Starting point is 00:17:25 screen, so he eventually agreed. And in February of 2021, Ollie, Anna, and their baby Amira moved out to California. They got a place in a luxury apartment building overlooking the water high above the city. So they, I mean, they're making money at this point. It sounds like. On the 35th, I mean, they have millions of followers. And at first, Anna was really grateful that Ali agreed to move so much so that she felt she had to do whatever it took to make him comfortable there now that he was moving somewhere he didn't have anyone so she encouraged Ollie to go up to LA for several nights in a row meet up with other creators and maybe even try out some stand-up comedy in a few nightclubs. This is so interesting I wonder if I've seen him on TikTok. I bet you probably
Starting point is 00:18:18 like I wonder if I've seen his face if I would recognize it because the name does not ring any bells She was definitely supportive in letting him chase his dreams in California too. But when people started recognizing Ollie out in public and the fame began to seep into real life, people say it brought out the worst in him. Turns out a lot of honest friends said they never really liked Ali. They found him intolerable and obnoxious. They talked about himself constantly, would say uncomfortable things, always thought he was better than everyone else. even before the fame. He would walk into rooms and say things like,
Starting point is 00:18:57 don't you know who I am? And at this point, the partying was getting really out of control. Okay. Both Anna and Ollie would go out often and Ollie began using a lot of cocaine. Soon, it extended to nights when they weren't even out at the clubs.
Starting point is 00:19:14 They would be dining at a restaurant and Ollie would pull out a baggie at the table. A baggie. Don't do drugs, kids. People felt like he felt. He was allowed to do what. whatever he wanted with no repercussions. Eventually, he even started using drugs during his live streams. Anna would tell him to stop and put the phone down in those moments.
Starting point is 00:19:34 I don't think you can do that. No, you can't. Yeah, that's crazy. I mean, what, 2021? Yeah, it's not as regulated yet. Yeah. And, like, on live, the audience begins to see this behavior too because he's now, like, sneaking drugs during a live and Anna's in the back, like, don't do that.
Starting point is 00:19:51 And he will, like, full-blown yell at her. In, like, on live, just snap at her. I need to look videos up after this. Yeah. Oh, so you're going. I'm not going to be there. I told you we're going to hotel. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:04 This is the after party and you're going. It's not there. Why do you think I can bring a kid? Yeah. No way's there more girls, you stupid. Obviously, like the couple would caption their videos with things like, when your relationship is drama free, like other relationship videos out there. That's what I'm saying, though.
Starting point is 00:20:20 You just. We all know social media is not real life. Never believe anything you see on social media. And it is always interesting with couple creators to see like they're posting these videos like just couple videos and then the next day they post a video being like, we're breaking up. Bye. And people get so confused because they're like, whoa, you were still posting their skits.
Starting point is 00:20:40 I understand it. It's a job. Right. So they're doing it because they have brand deals with a job. They're trying to make money. Yada, yada. For sure. But that's the thing.
Starting point is 00:20:48 It's a job. Yeah. And honestly, the more perfect someone portrays themselves to be online. chances are the less perfect. It might all be, we overcompensate a little bit as humans. And that was certainly the case with Anna and Ollie. On his friends said from the moment they moved to San Diego, they could tell how controlling Ollie was. She had to ask his permission to go out. Oh, geez. And oftentimes told her no. He wanted to control what she was doing. He had control
Starting point is 00:21:14 over what she was wearing, who she was spending her time with. And a lot of that had to do with the fact that Anna was happy in San Diego finally. She had her own community there. She was coming out of her shell. And he was gaining her own following, getting attention and positive reinforcement from strangers, both online and in the real world. Sounds like he was jealous.
Starting point is 00:21:37 He was threatened by it. So he starts saying things to exercise that control. Things like, well, I'm the one that brought you to America. You wouldn't have any of this. Oh. That's insane. Like, I'm the one who brought you here. I'm the one who started musically.
Starting point is 00:21:55 That's wild. Basically treating her, like, property, honestly, rather than just this partner that's on this venture with him. And Anna and Ollie did a good job of hiding these marital issues for a while. Friends of Anna's new, Ollie wasn't a good match for her. But he was her husband. They had a kid together. They just didn't feel like it was their place to step in because she wasn't being as open about these things. That is until spring of 2020.
Starting point is 00:22:21 just a few months after they moved to San Diego. Because with the couple now closer to Anna's friends, they got a peek into what was really going on behind closed doors, and it was not good. One afternoon, around that time, Anna and her friend Julia went to the gym, and then back to Anna's apartment to pick up a mirror. Julia said Ollie was there,
Starting point is 00:22:46 and when they showed up, he was incredibly mad at Anna for six. something. So he pulled her into the bedroom to talk to her because Julia is there, but then Julia can hear them fighting. She could tell that it was escalating. He began throwing things. He was screaming obscenities. And then suddenly, Anna came bursting out of the room, grabbed Amira, and rushed Julia out of the apartment. It seems like... What? Anna actually stayed at Julia's house that night with her. daughter because Julia said
Starting point is 00:23:23 Ollie was texting on a nonstop for the next 24 hours demanding that she bring their daughter home. And that's when the concern really started to set in for Julia. Having witnessed it firsthand, she wondered if this was a regular occurrence, like this level of fighting,
Starting point is 00:23:38 you know, taking the child and leaving. But Anna played it off saying, no, we'll talk it out later. It was just a bad fight. Everything's going to be fine, which is even like more of a red flag because clearly it's not. It soon became clear, though, to not just Anna's friends, but to their followers as well, that this was becoming the norm between Anna and Ollie, because over time, it wasn't just on
Starting point is 00:24:04 live streams. Ollie starts recording their fights as well. No way. And posting them? Posting them for sympathy. He's like, oh, this is a toxic relation. Look at what I have to put up with. Like, literally playing the victim. That's wild. That's wild. Talk to me. Respond to my text. I give you seven texts. You're not responding. You got answering my calls. You said you're not going out tonight. You lie to me all the time. Like he's clearly unwell because he's posting it trying to be the victim. But in the videos, he's saying things like, you're my woman B word. I brought you to this effing country. You should be kissing my feet. And I know this sounds like outrageous. But my eye ad, there are still creators on TikTok today with mass following that like it's exploitative. The things that they're famous for, there's people who have tons of following because
Starting point is 00:25:01 their house is messy or have tons of, you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, okay. Not just like influence. Yeah, but this is like teeter talk. I mean, teeter time. This is like domestic violence at this point, domestic abuse. Oh, 100%. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:14 100%. But it's just so weird how TikTok literally people mass followings for negative reasons. I mean, there's TV shows around like hoarders and stuff, right? It's the same thing. Yeah, that's true. He starts recording, posting these things. He would also yell at her for not having sex with him, saying it's been almost a month. She's got to be seeing someone else because how she could, how could she go that long without having sex with him?
Starting point is 00:25:37 I mean, this was really personal stuff. He was blasting out to followers. The reason she's not having sex with you is because you guys are fighting, dude. And it's wildly disturbing. but it's also some of the many signs of being in a domestically abusive relationship control, gaslighting threats. And in honest case, she does feel like Ollie has power and control over her. She doesn't want to lose her visa.
Starting point is 00:26:02 Yeah, I get that. She doesn't want to get sent back to the Philippines. That could mean losing her daughter, too. It's an intense situation. And in one of these videos, Oni even calls Ollie's mother to try and have her mediate between the two of them. and she's no help at all. She says to Anna, well, why do you keep getting back with him? What do you want me to do?
Starting point is 00:26:24 Do you want me try to put him in jail? Meanwhile, Anna's just trying to get him out of the house for a while and is hoping to find some sympathy and support. What a great mother-in-law, by the way. And I think there was a section of people, too, who maybe thought this was performative, like skits to try to gain views, you know? It's like those couples who post cheating things like finding out my house. has been cheating on me, but it's every single video in a different way.
Starting point is 00:26:50 Yeah. So I'm sure there were people that were like, oh, this is just clickbait, you know. But over time, these threats begin changing. Around July of 2021, he starts threatening suicide. He tells Anna that he'll take his own life if she leaves him. But Anna also knows this home is no longer safe for her daughter. Ollie has a gun in the house and apparently even takes it out of its case one day and starts pointing it at himself during a fight while Amira, their daughter is sleeping on the couch.
Starting point is 00:27:21 But every time Ana takes her daughter and leaves, Ollie Love bombs her, begs her to come back, tries to win her over, textbook behavior, terrifying. And in this case, it is exacerbated by his obsession with fame and his cocaine addiction because he's putting these fights on social media and people are supporting him. People begin making nasty comments about Anna, feeding into the behavior. How have I never seen this? It's just a niche corner. Nish, millions of fault. Niche corner.
Starting point is 00:27:52 Yeah. That's a big, in 2021, 22, that's a lot. Yes. I had to have seen one of these and just not realized. This is crazy. Which in Ollie's mind must reassure his thoughts, like, oh, you know, I'm the victim to my audience. But you can see how people like Anna might get trapped in these scenarios and can't see a way out. usually the abuser has something they're holding over their victim's head.
Starting point is 00:28:16 In this case, it's her daughter. Plus, it's possible she didn't feel like anyone could truly help her. And I say this because Anna calls the police to their apartment several times. And Ollie records these interactions too. You can hear him in one video sweet talking the cops and laying on the charm saying to them that his wife just wants him to leave the house so she can have it to herself and saying, quote, it's a woman's world, man. One morning, Anna even called Ollie's cousin Louis, who also lived in San Diego,
Starting point is 00:28:47 and asked him to come pick her in Amira up. He brought her over to Julia's house where they saw the whole left side of her face was bruised. After that, Anna began texting him pictures threatening to post them online. I suppose who he really was, saying, I'm going to show all the followers what you've done to me.
Starting point is 00:29:06 But that's when Ollie snapped. Uh-oh. The last thing he wanted was to look like the villain. especially to his online following, losing that fame would mean losing everything to Ali, and he was not going to let that happen. And while things escalated from there, the violence wasn't something new in this relationship.
Starting point is 00:29:24 While Ollie and his mother denied this, apparently Ollie had punched Anna in the face back when they started dating in Japan. What's up with Ollie's mom? Yo, I don't even care if she's listening to this. That's just messed up. You like supporting domestic abuse? And abuse and violence is crazy to me.
Starting point is 00:29:43 It's just not, it's not okay. And that might have had something to do with why he was discharged from the military. But around the fall of 2021, Oli does something that really makes Anna say, okay, enough is enough. Because after months, maybe even years of falsely accusing her of cheating on him, a neighbor in their building reaches out to Anna. And she says, hey, just so you know, I slept with your husband. She said the two of them met in the building elevator. She was a neighbor. He invited her over.
Starting point is 00:30:13 They were messing around. And then she learned he had a wife. This woman also said that he poured out a huge bag of cocaine on their coffee table and they were just doing massive amounts. Okay. While talking horribly about Anna. And that's when the other woman realized, okay, he's basically trouble and I'm going to let Anna know. So Anna confronts Ollie about it and he admits it. He even doubles down.
Starting point is 00:30:39 He starts sending her voice notes saying that he slept with girls in Los Angeles and Miami. What is happening? He's been finding attention elsewhere because she doesn't give it to him and she disrespects him. She's been depriving him of sex. I mean, just awful things. And that's when Anna realizes I'm done, done. She packs up her stuff, takes a mirror and the two move out of the apartment and let Ollie stay there alone. Now, on October 6th, 2021, Anna decides to update her following.
Starting point is 00:31:07 She posts a video talking about how she's finally out of a seven-year toxic relationship and an abusive marriage. And this hits a nerve with Ollie because, again, he believes TikTok is his domain. And now he's afraid his reputation will be on the line, that his followers will even side with her. And what makes him even more pissed is he thinks at this point, Anna has her eye on someone else. Someone she's been friends with for a while that's maybe becoming a little more than friends. I'm so confused after he slept with multiple women. It's just toxic. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:42 A guy named Rayburn Barron. Now, Rayburn was 29 years old. He was someone who always put his friends and family before himself. And that very much included Anna, especially when she was going through the most trying time of her young life. Unfortunately, there's not a whole lot out there about Rayburn, and he often gets lost in Anna and Ollie's story. But I can't tell you one thing. He was a real bright light in the story for Anna. Honestly, like a night and shining armor, someone who taught her that she was worthy of real love,
Starting point is 00:32:16 someone who seemed to teach her courage, give her new lease on life. There's debate about whether there was anything romantic going on between the two of them. Some of her friends say, no, they were just friends. Others say there was more to it. But they were getting very close by that October. And with Rayburn's help, it seems like Anna was finally on the track to leave. leaving Ollie for good. And Ollie knew Rayburn was a factor in this. He had always been jealous of him when he came around. Maybe he sensed there was something between the two of them, but he made it clear he
Starting point is 00:32:49 did not like Rayburn. And when he heard they were spending more time together after their separation, that's when things really escalated. Anna was still receiving daily, if not hourly, threats from Ali, but she was looking towards the future, trying not to give it too much oxygen. She was happy and living with a weight off her shoulders, finally. Though, some of her friends were definitely worried about what Ollie was capable of. They knew he was manipulative, conniving, he had a gun. But Anna always reassured them, listen, he's not going to do anything to, like, critically hurt me. Unfortunately, though, Ollie was already planning his next move.
Starting point is 00:33:31 One day in mid-October, he told Anna that he would go stay in a hotel so that she and Amira could live at the apartment. Anna's like, oh, okay, this is an olive branch. But all he knew, it was an opportunity. They moved her things in and his things out, but he got a copy of the new set of electronic key cards she made without her knowledge. And on October 21st, he does something will change the course a lot of people's lives. That day, Ana's back in the apartment with Amira. and takes 5-year-old Amira to school that morning. But while she's gone, Ollie shows up and lets himself back into the apartment.
Starting point is 00:34:10 And not to get like some of his leftover belongings. No, he goes in and trashes the entire apartment. He also puts an app on his daughter's iPad, basically like a listening app, and then he hides the iPad under the couch. So around 11 a.m. on a returns, Ollie is gone, but it's obvious he was there. because the place is a mess. Probably a distraction for hiding the iPad in the first place. So she calls her friend Julia and says,
Starting point is 00:34:38 hey, I need your help. It's going to take me all day to clean this place. There's stuff all over the floor, broken glass. She wants to know if Julia can pick a mirror up at school in a few hours. And Julie's like, yeah, I got this. But Anna, you got to get out of there. Anna says she knows and is planning to go straight to the police station after she's done to get a restraining order against Ollie.
Starting point is 00:34:58 Now, after Anna hangs up with Julia, she calls Rayburn and asks, hey, can you come by and help me clean up this mess? So he does. But then what does Ollie hear from the listening app on the iPad? Rayburn's voice inside Anna's apartment. And he loses his mind. He gets in his car, drives back to the apartment complex around 250 p.m. He parks and then gets in the elevator. And...
Starting point is 00:35:27 Dude, what an absolute... Loser. What a loser. What's about to get worse. He turns his camera on his phone on to start recording what's about to happen. In this video, which is obviously going to become evidence, you can see him making small talk with someone on the right up to the 35th floor as if nothing is wrong. He then gets off the elevator. And while it's just audio at this point, because he's like not holding his phone up, you hear him open the apartment door. Then you can hear Rayburn. voice saying, whoa, followed by four gunshots. Holy crap. Anna is yelling, as you can hear Ollie in the video reload the gun and fire two more times. He then shot her, taking both of their lives. Then he leaves the apartment, paces the hallway, then goes back inside. And that's when he screams Anna's name a few times, acting like.
Starting point is 00:36:33 He just realized what he did. I don't even care. What, the scum of the earth. Just low, low, low. Insane. Insane. And then what does he do? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:36:44 Oh, kills himself. No. Calls his mom. Tell me what the mom said. What do the mom say? He says, hey, I just shot my wife and her friend. His mom doesn't believe him. So he takes pictures of the crime scene and texts them to her as proof.
Starting point is 00:37:01 Okay. A short while later, Julia is on her way to the school to pick up a mirror, which like, let's just not forget that they have a full-blown daughter at school. As she's pulling up to the school, she sees Ali getting into his car with a mirror. This obviously terrifies Julia because she's like, I know the situation here. Like, Anna does not want you picking her up. Like, there's no mistake here. she starts following Ollie and calling Anna repeatedly to be like, hey, he just picked her up. Obviously, of course, Anna's not answering.
Starting point is 00:37:41 Eventually, Ollie makes a turn and Julia loses him, but luckily, the cops were already on his trail. Thank goodness, okay. A neighbor had heard the gunshots and called 911 immediately, and they knew Ollie. They saw him in the hallway, so they knew it was him who had done it. so police quickly put out an APB for Ollie and his black Jeep Wrangler, because they have his name. And thank goodness, they catch him quickly on the highway without much incident because Amir is still in the car.
Starting point is 00:38:11 Who knows? This is horrible. Ali apparently had even told the little girl when he picked her up that day that he had hurt mommy. It's what she tells police. That day, she also watched her father get arrested by the police. Poor girl. Like just he not only Rewened other people's lives
Starting point is 00:38:33 He ruined his own He ruined his daughter's life But sorry Ruin is the wrong word He caused a tremendous amount of trauma And now she doesn't have a mom And she doesn't have a dad And this is like
Starting point is 00:38:46 Attached to her Yeah So sad Meanwhile News is starting to spread To honest friends That something's wrong Because like Julia
Starting point is 00:38:57 is now on to something. Something's going on and they're pretty sure it's what they've all been dreading. Five hours after being taken into custody, Ollie just ups and confesses to the murders. He was charged with two counts of first degree as well as several other charges. And while Ollie is in jail awaiting trial, he does an interview. And not only does he show very little remorse for what he did, but he keeps referring in this interview to everything as he.
Starting point is 00:39:27 His. Okay. Like he accuses Rayburn of kissing his wife in his house on his couch. Like, still. And at the end of the interview, he starts breaking down because he lost his baby. He's not talking about a mirror. He's saying that because of all of this, he lost his online platform. Not his daughter, not his wife.
Starting point is 00:39:57 No, because of all of this, I've now lost my online platform, my followers, my fame. Yeah, just a narcissist, just straight victimhood. It's gross. But I want to talk about the trial because the biggest factor is whether he should get first or second-degree murder. Was this premeditated or spur of the moment? I'm not going to even entertain the defense's argument here because you heard the story. This violence was not a one-time duel. And outside of everything he did to make Anna's life and his daughter's life a living hell,
Starting point is 00:40:26 there was additional evidence on his computer and phone searches that he had made before the murder for trash cans, chopped up bodies, exploitation of minors. Holy crap. He was unwell. He had been for a long time and the jury knew it. So on May 29th, 2024, the jury found him guilty of two counts of first-degree murder. Good. Ollie or Gin Kid will spend the rest of his life in prison with no chance of parole.
Starting point is 00:40:52 In 2024, a documentary was released on Peacock called Tick-Tock Star Murders that told Anna's story through the memory of her closest friends. And some of those women said that they had since parted ways after Anna's death, all grieving separately, but the documentary kind of brought them all back together. A GoFundMe was set up for Anna's family after her death. Her body was sent back to the Philippines so she could be buried in her hometown. the family welcomes any happy memories, kind words or nice stories. Anyone has to share in Ana's memory. And if you are someone you know is experiencing domestic violence, please know there is always a way out.
Starting point is 00:41:36 Call the National Domestic Violence Hotline at 1-800-799-7233. Go to the hotline.org or text begin to 88788. and that is the murder of Anna in Rayburn. Domestic violence, man. It is, it's just, it's so sad because it's scary how it just escalates. It escalates and there always seems, I cannot always, but, I mean, in the cases we cover, at least it always seems to end in murder because this is the podcast, Ron, but domestic violence in general is so dangerous because so many can end up like this.
Starting point is 00:42:18 Yeah. It's so dangerous. It is not far out. I think sometimes it's like murder is so far away and it's like in domestic violence situations, it's actually not. And domestic violence is so common like you're saying. Yeah. All right, you guys, that was our episode for this week. Please just take some time. Remember Anna, her family, her daughter. Again, if you were, you know, her family said they love any kind words or memories. But just take this day to think. about them and we will see you next time with another episode. I love it. I hate it. Goodbye. Power, fame, obsession, betrayal. These are more than headlines. They are the forces behind some of the most unforgettable crimes in history. We're Sabrina Deanna Roga and Corin Bien, the host of Two Girls One Ghost and our newest show, Crimes of, a crimehouse original powered by Pave Studios. Crimes of is a weekly true crime anthology series that explores a new theme.
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