Murder With My Husband - 4. Skylar Neese - The Real Life Mean Girls

Episode Date: April 29, 2020

On this episode of Murder With My Husband, Payton tells Garrett the story of Skylar Neese. A tale of real life mean girls and the consequences that comes along with it.  LIVE ONLINE SHOW TICKETS HERE! https://www.moment.co/murderwithmyhusband Follow us on our social media channels: https://linktr.ee/murderwithmyhusband  Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/murderwithmyhusband) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What's up you guys? Welcome back to our podcast. This is Murder with My Husband. I'm Pete in Moreland. And I'm Garrett Moreland. And he's the husband. That's true. Okay, so I just want to jump right into the Murder Case today. Nice.

Getting down to it. Yeah. So this story has been one that really stuck with me from the second I heard it. I've listened to a lot of murder cases and I kind of forget the details or forget the names and then someone brings it up and I'm like, oh wait, wait, tell me which one is that again? Kind of know it. Kind of don't this one from the time I heard it until today, I remember every single

detail because it shook me to my core when I heard it the first time. So I'm gonna love this. Yeah. It's unique in a way that most true crime stories aren't and that's because it's recent and so most of the people involved in the story were active on social media during the time of the story. So you can actually go back right now on social media and all of their pages are still there. And you can read posts, pictures, whatever it is from during the time of the whole entire case. I think I'm going to like this one just because I always talk about how a lot of murders aren't recent and how they're super old and people can get away with it, but I'm actually curious to,

because I know nothing, again, I know nothing about this. It's always a surprise, all right, let's do this. So it's kind of weird just to see that life goes on after someone's murdered, right? Like we all are still just living life. And I think sometimes when I listen to these cases, I dive so deep into the case that it's almost not real.

You know because it's a story. Like, it's a book. Yes. Whereas this, I think this one shook me so hard because you can see the sociopathic behavior with your own eyes on social media. Oh, jeez. So it's just crazy. So where I got my information. Oh, I'm sorry

to interrupt. I was gonna say, because remember last podcast we talked about how we were gonna talk about our listeners a little bit. I know we wouldn't get into this, but yeah, no, yeah, let's do this. 30 seconds. So there's one from Virginia that has listened to all of them. Maybe it's someone we know. So I don't think so. I can't think of anyone of our friends or so if you are our Virginia homey, please reach out to us. Please comment on our social media. We're so intrigued that you've listened to all of them and neither of us can put a finger on who you are because we don't think either of us know anyone that's living there right now that would be listening to it. Yeah, so we were pretty excited about that.

And then there was another one from Washington. Washington. Yeah. Okay, reach out. Tell us. It's so fun to think, oh, there's someone out there who doesn't know us, who's listening to us. Yeah. There's, okay, there's more than two listeners, but those are the ones that have listened to all of our podcasts

So that we're not sure who they are. Yeah, because I mean let's be honest. We have a couple listeners that are blood related and friends. Hi mom. We've actually been getting more. Yeah, we haven't anymore. So all our friends and family that have been listening if you saw one of our posts on social media because we did finally post about it, thank you so much for listening it. It really helps us out. And actually, it's more fun to talk to an audience, it just is. And so it really means so much if you're here listening, if you know us, if you don't know us, whatever it is, like I'm just excited that there's even people that are wanting to hang out with us, you know. Yeah. Awesome. Okay.

Okay, so back to where I got my information from, investigation discovery, did a episode on their CNO evil show. I also got my information from skiler nicemurder.com as well as all things interesting.com as well as Wikipedia and as well as Reddit things interesting.com, as well as Wikipedia, and as well as Reddit. Wow. Okay. On July 6, 2012, 16-year-old Skyler Nice goes into her mom's room and kisses her good night before bed.

She had been bored all day wanting to hang out with her friends, but she tweeted something like, if all my friends were hanging out without me, I'm so bored, did it feel good to know that I don't have friends like something Teenager dramatic like that and then it goes to bed. Yeah The next morning her father David niece goes to wake her up in her room, but finds that her door is locked He breaks open the door with a coat hanger and finds that her bed is made, but her bedroom is empty He calls his wife Mary niece to ask if she had seen Skylar She says no, but not to worry that they would find her

and she's probably just hanging out at one of her friend's houses. Skyler's dad calls Sheila Eddie, who is Skyler's best friend, and asks if she's seen her. She says no, but that she talked to her around midnight last night. He walks out onto the porch to have a cigarette,

obviously worried about where his daughter is is and notices that there's a chair from Skyler's room outside her bedroom window and so he looks over and he's like realizing that she must have snuck out last night because she climbed out of her window and onto this chair. So he's like, oh my gosh. Now he's even more worried because he's like, so she didn't come home after sneaking out. So he calls back Mary, his wife, and his like tells her, and she's like, it's okay. She's never missed work. I know she has to work at 4 p.m.

So we'll just wait and see if she shows up to work because she wouldn't miss it. She's responsible. She has good grades. So. Oh man. 4 p.m. come. What? This is getting crazy already. 4 p.m. comes and goes and she doesn't show up to work. And she worked at Wendy's. Sorry. I thought that was good school. Why you see chicken nuggets?

Seriously. I was like, dang. Like my dream job, okay not my dream job, but like... No, this is pretty dream job, okay, not my dream job, but like no, this is a dream job. Listen. I really kind of want to work at McDonald's because I love McDonald's. Like if you know me McDonald's is my heart and soul. Like I love McDonald's so much and I think it would be so fun to work there. So I went I saw she worked at Wendy's. I was like a girl from my own heart.

I can't imagine what we'd look like after a year of eating straight McDonald's. I know, seriously. I know, seriously. So she doesn't show up to her job at Wendy's. And so her parents call the police. They tell them that their daughter's missing and they need help.

The cops arrive to the house. And although helpful, they're following a protocol. They assume that Skyler's just to run away. She's 16 years old. It's the weekend. They say that this kind of happens in the town. They leave for the weekend because mom and dad weren't letting them leave the house and then they come back on Monday and go to school, you know.

So they don't issue an amber alert. She's missing. They're going to investigate what happened, but they're not going to issue an amber alert to have people look out for her. The cops notice when going through Skyler's room that her phone charger and personal items are still in her bedroom. So if she was a runaway, like most of the time they're going to take her to brush her makeup, her phone charger. What is the teenager going to take if they're going to... Oh, you take your phone charger, yeah.

But her phone's not there. So they go around to the neighbors and ask if anyone's seen anything or heard anything and of course they all say no. They live in an apartment complex by the way. During this whole search, Sheila Eddie, the best friend that her dad called earlier that day, calls back and asks to talk to Skyler's mom, Mary. She tells Mary that her, their other friend Rachel, Shof and Skyler had all snuck out last night. She continues on to say that they dropped her back off at her house

at around 11.45 pm at the end of the block so that they wouldn't wake up the parents, you know, like when you see, you can't drive right up into the, yeah, you gotta park down the street. Oh yeah. So they can run back home. So at this point, police are thinking something obviously happened to her between the drop-off point at the end of the block and her walking all the way back down the street to get to the apartment complex. It's crazy to think that just at the end of the block, something could happen. Possibly could have happened.

But I mean, that's your first thought, right? And her parents are freaking out too. She's been abducted. That's what they're thinking. Oh, I think that's every parent's, like, how we first thought is, where is my, I mean, I'm sure they were happy that Sheila came forward and said, hey, we actually did sneak out.

And I was with her, but we dropped her off at 11.45 and she walked and we didn't like wait to see if she got home. Oh man. So then Mary's like how about you come over because the police are here and they're probably gonna want to talk to you about it and so Sheila drives over to the house to talk to the police and help out in any way she can. She comforts Mary, her mom during this time telling her everything's going to be fine. Like, we're going to find her. Like, this is her best friend.

So the cops ask Sheila again, if she knows where Skyler is, just, you know, going back through the story, and she's like, no, I don't know. The last time I saw her is when we dropped her off at the end of the street. The officers and parents notice at this point that there's a camera in the parking lot of the apartment complex, like there's a camera showing the parking lot. Did they not have like find my friends and stuff at this time?

Okay, so it's 20 what, 12? I don't think so. Isn't that when you graduated? Yeah, it's when I graduated. Did you have find my friends? I can't remember. I really can't remember. I don't think no, because I know because if they did, my mom would have had it. All right, that's true. So we would have been in trouble. Okay. So no, I don't think they had find my friends. Yeah. Yeah.

Which sucks because the phone's missing. I know. So it actually would have been beneficial. So Mary contacts the landlord of the apartment complex to see if she can get the footage from the parking lot. And it's like a really crappy camera, so the footage is all grainy. They're watching the monitor around 11,

11, 45 and like there's no car, no nothing. And she's like, yeah, because we dropped her off down the road, so you're not gonna see my car, you're not gonna see anything. And then they just keep watching to see if she ever leaves again. And around 12.30 a.m. a car pulls up in the parking lot,

like kind of around the building. And you see Skyler run from like this side of the camera, clear across the camera to get into the car. So if like when they dropped her off at 1145, she came back to the house, but then at 1230, another car pulls up and she leaves, sneaks out again and gets in another car at 1230 AM. Whoa, what? So she snuck out twice that night.

Do they know she went back to the house for sure or if she just stayed out? So I mean, they don't know, but Sheila said they dropped her off. So they do think this, what if they dropped her off and someone came and picked her up and she didn't actually go back in the house, right? So the officers are like, Sheila, is that your car? She's like, no, I'm positive. It was 11.45 and that's not even my car. And so once again, this makes the cops think

that she most likely ran away. She willingly got in the car. Like you see her running. She's just going to hang out, you know. To leave the car. Yeah, it wasn't abducted, you know. She gets in the car alone, no one gets out of the car and shoves her in.

Yeah. Because they're like, they look at the parents and they're like, I'm sorry. She just ran away. Like, she's obviously with friends, you know. She just ran away. She's obviously with friends. She just got in that car and left. So the footage is bad. They can't make out a license plate,

but they can tell that the car is a light colored, four doors sedan. It's now been 48 hours since Skylar has gone missing. And her parents feel like everyone just kind of stopped looking for her because of the surveillance footage. Yeah. Like the cops are saying they're looking but they're not going to put out an amber alert and the investigation feels like it's kind of at a halt because like what are you going

to do? They're like give it the weekend. She's not backed by Monday. We'll really dive deep into it. That would be heart wrenching as a parent. Yeah. They feel like everyone just gave up. Yeah. I mean, you know your daughter's missing. Those are her best friend. Rachel

was her best friend too, the other girl they're with that night. And so they're like, she was with her best friends. Oh, yeah. You feel kind of that sucks. So the parents start to drive the investigation by themselves. They make flyers, they hang up a ball of a town, they start doing searches, a lot of friends, including Sheila, start to help her parents with the investigation. Rachel, the other girl that was with her that night, would have helped out, but she'd gone to like a Catholic camp for two weeks, like a church camp, because it's summer at this point. And at some point during this, Sheila comes over to the niece household and asks if she can sit in Skyler's room for a bit

Skyler's parents are like yeah, of course they hear her crying so they go into console her and she's upset She's like I don't understand why Skyler would leave and not tell me like why would she get in a car with someone else and not be like Hey, I'm hanging out with this person tonight. That's true because Especially in high school, right? You would tell like when you're best friends, I'm sneaking out with a boy or I'm freaking out with a girl. So she's hurt. And she like the parents and Sheila, like really lean on each other during this time because they're really the only ones looking for the daughter.

Yeah. So Skyler's parents' effort starts to pay off and her story starts to kind of spread through local media, right? Like they start sharing it on the news and everything. And someone calls in and says, oh, I think I saw Skyler with a red headed friend at this place. It was like in a town next door. So they drive out there and they're like,

this is it like Rachel didn't actually go to Catholic camp. She like skipped on her parents and like said, Oh, yeah, I'm going to church camp, but didn't. And like her and Rachel ran away together and they're just like hanging out. And so they like go, they investigate, it ends up being two different runaways and not them. And so the lead goes nowhere and these parents are just devastated again. Like you're holding onto any, any hope. Oh, yeah. So it's now been two months since she was last seen, which at that point, I mean, you're like crap.

Two months is a long time. Two months is a long time. Rachel, the girl, returns home from church camp at this point. I mean, you're like crap. Too much is a long time. Two months is a long time. Rachel, the girl returns home from church camp at this point. And the police finally get to interrogate her because she was like gone away. And she tells the exact same story as Sheila. She's like, it was like 1145. We dropped her off. Like we went out that night.

She does say we smoked a little weed. Yeah. So it doesn't sound like they're lying. No, like she's like we we out that night, she does say we smoked a little weed. Yeah, so it doesn't sound like they're lying. No, like she's like, we picked her up. We hung out. She's snuck out, we smoked a little weed, we dropped off at the end of the block at 11.45 and then I went to church camp the next morning and I didn't even know she was missing. And so the cops center in at this point on the car that picked Skyler up that night at

12.30 because they're like, okay, it's been two months. She's obviously not coming home. We don't think she's a runaway. She's 16, like what 16 year old can keep providing for themselves and doing all these things. She didn't ever go back to work. And then the two girls, she was with that night, like are saying the same thing. And so our only lead right now is this car that we're seeing on this tape. So this is actually kind of smart.

They look into other local security cameras around the area to see if they can spot the car, to see if they can track where the car went. Why isn't the police doing this? This is the police. Why did it take them two months to... Because that's kind of the problem. It's like they're like, but why did it take them two months to? Because that's kind of the problem is like they're like, oh, she's a runaway. And then they're like, oh, we're going to wait to talk to Rachel to see if she has any more details about that night.

You know, yeah, no, it makes sense. It is hard to because I mean, the police get so many different calls and on the like shows I was watching and the things I was reading, it did say that the police were like, we felt bad, but most of the missing cases we come into just turn into be kids running away for a while and then coming back because they're mad at their parents. It's hard. They got to sift through so many different reports and calls a day. Yeah. Okay. And so they center in on this car and they go to the like there's a

gas station nearby the house. They go to all these things and say can we go through your footage from this night and they end up finding the car. And they are like they track it that it goes to her house. And then about five minutes later it drives back past that camera again. So they know which way the car was driving towards which town. You know, and so they're like, and the footage is a little bit more clear. So they don't have a license plate number, but they do have a better description of the vehicle.

They've now ruled out certain types, right? But you still have like the typical Honda Mazda, you know, like all the ones that look the same. They're still a million cars. But they're like, at least, you know, we have a little bit more. And so they drive, they actually, I was like kind of proud of the investigators because they then get in an unmarked car and drive around the area that they

like saw this car driving at midnight. And they take pictures of all the cars that they think like could be the car. Like, oh, there's a they think could be the car. There's a light colored Mazda. There's a light colored Honda Ford or there's light and they take them and then run the plates and look at the people and see if there's any connection. I'm like, dang dude, they're going hard.

I wonder what like start of them. Like because it's two months. I think they were were just like we talked to both the girls and like Obviously something is wrong something's happened to her. Mm-hmm. So we're gonna rewind now Okay, so learn more about Skyler before disappearance Okay, yeah, it's a good idea. So Skyler, Nice, Sheila, Eddie and Rachel Shof attend University high school in West Virginia. niece and Eddie, so Sheila and Skyler were friends since about eight years old, best friends. And then they met Rachel, the other girl that she was with that night, their freshman year.

All right, is this like in a suburban area, more rural area? Yep, suburban-ish. Okay. The trio were inseparable. Like these three girls once ate, I mean, Sheila and Skyler have been best friends since their eight and then they meet Rachel freshman year and they become like the trio at the school. Like these girls are best friends, right?

All the other friends from school said that Skyler played more of like the middle friend in the relationship She kind of served as like an emotional stabilizer for the other two because like Sheila was pretty crazy And then Rachel was kind of quiet and so she was like the middle in between them and like was the force that made it all work, I guess Skyler kind of seemed to try and save Sheila. A lot of the time at school, like Sheila would go crazy, or like getting fights with people, or she'd be wild at parties. And so Skylar would always be like, hey, what are you doing?

Stop, you can't do that. No, don't talk to that boy. No, don't, you know, like she was the parent, bitch. The parent, yeah. And Sheila was accepted as family in the niece household. Like she would come over, not even knock on the door, just walk right in. I mean, these girls have been best friends since their eight.

So she's super close with the family. Rachel, the other girl, came into the picture later, like I said, and she comes from a strict Catholic mom, single mom, but strict. So she kind of seemed to like idolize Sheila in a way for her like wild and free attitude. Like, you know how teenagers need a reason to rebel. Sheila was Rachel's reason to rebel.

A lot of the peers from their high school said the trio was wild and crazy. Like they party, they did drugs, like they were though, they were, they were, they were, they were that type. Like they were always in trouble. were they were that type like they were always in trouble like if it's not the parents it's the police like they were that type of girls so their friends at school said that they started to actually notice some tension between this unbreakable trio like they would subtweet each other they were they would talk bad about each other when it like at first they were so strong and then they started to kind of put this break

into it in, like, probably around 2011, so about a year before this happened. Okay. For instance, I'm going to redo some of the tweets because I've gone back and looked at the Twitter accounts and I've timelineed it, right? Like I'm like, oh, in 2011, she tweeted this, and I've gone through, put the crime scene timeline against the, you know, so Skyler sub tweeted on May 31st, 2012. Okay, and before I redo this tweet,

I just wanna say there's some cuss words in here, and I'm not a big cusser, and I don't know who's listening, so I'm just gonna kind of bleep out the cuss words. So it says, you're a two-faced B word and obviously effing stupid, you really thought I wouldn't find out. So she, oh, and for people who don't have Twitter a sub-tweet is when you tweet about something or someone, but you don't tag them. So she didn't tag anybody in this tweet, She just said, you're too faced to be word

and it could be about anybody. That's what a sub tweet is. So there's obviously some tension going on with this group because she's talking about one of those girls. She also tweets, too bad my friends are having lives without me, like just kind of every once in a while, which I'm not oblivious

to this. Like I went through high school, I had a younger sister. Girls are mean. Yeah, but it's hard to because it also goes against everything everyone said at the school how they're just this best trio ever. But these are, so then the, when they talked to the peers at the high school, they said, but they're, they're like, they started to notice that the girls were fighting. Oh, okay. And that they were talking about about each other. And so then I went back to the Twitter and I'm like, Oh, look, she's, she's sub tweeting a girl, most likely one of these girls.

So it lined up with what the interviews were saying. So we're on to something now. People said that Skylar kind of felt like Sheila and Rachel were becoming closer. So this new girl they meet freshman year and they all become friends but then she kind of swipes in and stills their best friend, you know. And they're becoming closer with each other and they're starting to leave Skylar out. Very typical girl stuff. I went through it. I watched my sister go through it. Like it's a very typical high school girl thing, right? So, like a classmate who was in a school play with Rachel

said that one time at practice, Rachel was on the phone laughing and so he like walks over and he's like, dude, what are you laughing at? And she's like, listen, and she holds the phone up to him. And on the other line, Skylar and Sheila were fighting and Skylar didn't know that Sheila had actually three-way called Rachel in to listen in on the fight. So they are caddy. Kind of messed up.

And then now she's showing people at school and now people are making fun of Skylar and it's straight up Mean Girl movie stuff. Like they literally three-way call on Mean Girls and do that. Like in the movie, they do that. They do it really? Yeah, and so like, you're just seeing that typical snarky, but it's weird because this trio did used to be so strong,

but then they just kind of started to break according to people and according to Twitter that I got on and looked at. Oh, yeah. So Rachel and Sheila would like plan to dress the same, like, hey, you wear your striped shirt and I'm gonna wear my striped shirt and then wouldn't tell Skylar.

So they'd all show up to school and Skylar would be like, that's kind of crazy that, so, probably Skylar's still friends with these two girls. They don't seem very nice. So I think I was kind of thinking about that, right? Yeah. Because all these signs, right? They were, she had a notice, like, oh, they're dressing the same, but wait, they don't seem very nice. So I think I was kind of thinking about that, right? Yeah. Because all these signs, right? She had a notice, like, oh, they're dressing the same,

but wait, they didn't call me. So I think it's hard in high school. I didn't do this for very long, but it was almost like a competition of who could be more mean. And you couldn't, it was like a dicting. So I think that Skyler had been best friends with this girl since they were eight years old and that was her friend. That was her best friend. And so it didn't really matter what I mean it's a abusive relationship.

Yeah. It doesn't really matter what they're gonna do like at the end of the day there you're right or dies. And you think about it if she's not friends with them who she friends with. Exactly, especially in high school. It's hard, it's hard in high school. And so I think as adults, you're like, I would never be friends with someone who does that. But in high school, when you're just trying to survive, when you're just trying to make it through the day,

like, it's way different. It's way different. And so that's why I think she never left. Like she just kept trying to be friends with them, you know? And Rachel and Sheila both actually had boyfriends and Skyler didn't. And so they were kind of like sexually active. And when they go to the parties, they would like, you know, be with their boyfriends. And Skyler was kind of like the third wheel, like the little sister of the group, like, wasn't really into that kind of, you know. and so it was just every way that they were connecting this Skylar wasn't on the same level with. And that's what

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her camp and the information starts to spread around town that she's come home and people from their school start to tweet and talk about because school starting up back now. They start to tweet and talk about saying, hey Rachel and Sheila, we know that you killed Skylar. So I was going to say, have the police come back and looked at these tweets yet? Do you know? Okay. So they know about all the things. So they've gone to their peers. They've gone to everything and they've started to discover, oh, this perfect little friendship that we were told isn't actually. So yeah, so they have a full blown investigation going right now.

But in, you know, defense, I don't think you could go to one friendship group from high school and say, do you guys have any, do you guys like, are you guys always nice to each other? You know, have you ever talked bad about it? Yeah, like every, every high school group is going to say, yeah, we have, we have problems, we've had drama, you know. Definitely. So, but then the people from school start to like

throw them under the bus and say, we know you hurt her, like we know you had to, you were like involved in Skylars disappearance. And so the girls start to get like under pressure, right? Cause they're like, everyone thinks we did it. Like everyone's saying that they did it now at this point. Two months later, she never came home, everyone're like, everyone thinks we did it. Like everyone's saying that they did it now at this point. Two months later, she never came home.

Everyone's like, K, you did it. That's crazy. Yeah. And so they're like starting to get like, like scared. Like, what are you guys like? We're getting blamed for this, you know? And so the detectives, because of this, like they get online, they see the tweets,

they see the things being said. They take Sheila and Rachel out separately in two different cars, and they're like, can you drive us the route you guys took that night? Like we really need to like solidify your guys' stories and make sure we're not missing anything, you know, she could have seen someone and then gone with them from that night,

so we just really need to see where you went. And so they get in the car, and the girls drive them from that night. So we just really need to see where you went. And so they get in the car and the girls drive them completely different routes. No way. Like both of the routes. That's really smart to do. So the cops are like, what the heck?

Like they lied. Like we've caught them in a lie. Like why would they even lie if this, you know? And so the cops kind of start to question the girls. Like are you sure you're telling the truth? And so they rewatch the videos from the apartment complex hoping for any indication that the girls had picked her up or dropped her off 11 or 11.45. They notice that like the cars driving by you can see headlights like the cars don't come in but you can see the headlights like reflecting off of

things and around 11 and around 11., 45, there's no headlights. It looks like a car didn't even come to the apartment complex around those times. And so they're like, well, I mean, we could, you know, it could not be showing, but also all the other cars driving by are showing. And so they're like, why, you know, interesting, but it's interesting because they dig, they do know she's snuck out. So, yeah. So, after they're now suspecting the girls, the cops know that Sheila's car could be one of the cars, or could be the car in the video. No, okay.

They knew from the get-go that Sheila had a car model that could be the car, but they couldn't narrow it down enough to like say it was that car, to say it was her car, and they also didn't question her at the beginning. Like they, you know, they were like, mm-hmm. Like why would two 16-year-old girls kill this other girl? Well, we don't eat like,

what did they kidnap her? Yeah. You know, and so they ask her again, hey, Sheila, is this your car in the video at 12 30 a.m. And she's like, no, I told you we picked her up at 11 and dropped her off to 11 45. I did not see her after 11 45. And so the cops attain the cell phone records of the girls and they discover that they were pinging in places that they said that they weren't that night. They were like, did you go here?

Did you go here and they're like, no, no, no, no. And then they got the cell phone records and they lied about where they were. I wish they had done this before, but I mean, I'm excited. I know. So when confronted with this evidence, she will finally admits that the car in the video at 12.30 AM is her car.

OK. Oh. Oh. Oh. So. Oh. Um, so. Oh. Okay. It wasn't done. So they re-interview the girls at this point because now they've lied, right? About a couple things. The girls have actually done a pretty good job.

Well, I don't know if they, okay. I assume by listening to this, it sounds like they killed her, but if they did, they've done a good job at their alibi. As far as telling the same stories, it's usually hard to keep the stories the same and stuff. And the girl went off to church camp the next day. Yeah, like you know. Smoked a little weed with the church camp. church can and she was right up in that investigation from the first second that they found out she was

missing yeah you know so they re-interview the girls and they ask for their new stories they say hey we found this new evidence tell us what actually happened like we have evidence that you weren't where you say you were you don't give them details where the new evidence. Tell us what actually happened. Like, we have evidence that you weren't where you say you were. You don't give them details where the new evidence says they were. They just say, please tell us what happened. And their stories don't match. They both tell brand new stories, hoping I think that they could get back to the friend in time, not realizing that they were being interviewed at the same time.

So the police know that the girls are just lying through their teeth at this point. They've told so many lies. And so they can tell that Sheila's kind of acting wrong and that Rachel is scared to death. Like Rachel, they can see her breaking heart, but Sheila's acting like like nothing. And so they're like kind of confused. And so on social media at this time, because I've gone back, Sheila seems to have just gone back to normal posting about how school sucks.

I hate this teacher. Can you guys believe this happened at school? She even post pictures with Rachel, like best friends love her. She tweets on November 5th, 2012, no one on this earth can handle me in Rachel. And if you think you can, you're wrong. Oh my gosh.

So at this point, the girls are back in school and people see them fighting a lot at school. Like in the halls, everything like they're arguing, they're not getting along. People are also aware that the girls had lied about that night and that they were getting questioned by the police. And so they start getting like a lot of hate at school. These two girls like everyone's like, Oh, we know you did it. You killed them. Okay.

So Rachel starts to become very aggressive towards people at school, getting in fights. And these two girls kind of just shut everyone out. Like it's just them to now. They're not popular. They're not friends. All they have are each other at this point. Rachel gets off social media and she starts fighting with her family,

even worse, like at home. So her life is falling apart. I wonder what the parents are thinking right now. Like the parents of the girl I can kill. I wonder if they are questioning. Like, oh my gosh, I think her best friends killed her. Like I wonder how that whole drama's going. I think at first they were like, no.

Because I mean, there's no way. Sheila's family. Yeah. And we've known this girl since she was eight. These two have been best friends. And these three were inseparable. She came here, she helped me. She cried on her bed with me.

She told me we were going to find her. The mom's like, she helped me, she cried on her bed with me, she told me we were gonna find her, like the moms, like she held me while I cried, she was helping out from day one, like just because they lied, because they didn't want to get in trouble, because they were smoking a little weed, doesn't mean that she did it. So Rachel's fighting with her family really bad.

And one day in December of 2012, Rachel is admitted to a psychiatric hospital after attempting to hurt her family. So I kind of like they don't really go into the details because you know she's a minor and stuff but it seems like she was just breaking. Like on the, you know, her parents called the police and in the background you can hear freaking out. No, no, stop. I'm over this stop.

She, you know, was trying to hurt herself, trying to hurt her family, was running through the neighborhood, freaking out. Which happens when you, something's bothering you so much, you start getting stressed and angry at everybody. So she just has a mental break basically. Like, and people could see it building, you know. And so six days after she's been in the psychiatric hospital, they released her, she immediately asks to go

to the police station after she gets released. And so her parents drive her to the police station and she's like, I need to talk to the detectives. So they sit her down in the interrogation room and literally before people like they are just barely sitting down like they've barely turned on the tape recorder. She's like, we stabbed her. She's blurted out like it was building up and on her chest so heavy. And she just like says we stabbed her.

She got killed by her two best friends. And so the cop, you know, is like, okay, calm down.. Like let's go back from the beginning, you know what happened, tell me. So, Skyler had started to fill left out from her friend group, but she wasn't imagining it. Like it wasn't all in her head. Like I'm sure they were making her fill. At a sleepover in 2011, so a year before,

Skyler saw Sheila and Rachel have drunken sex together. So she was in making it up. These two girls had fallen in love. Yeah. And now she's really the third will. That makes a lot more sense. Skyler like tried to confront Sheila about it afterwards, but they just end up getting in a huge fight. And they just keep fighting from that day on. After many, many fights and many mean tweets and jobs back and forth between all of the girls, Skylar and Sheila spend a week together in Myrtle Beach in June, 2012, so a year after the sleepover incident.

And they just fight the whole trip. Like their relationship had just, it's gone. It's gone. So they get home from the trip and she hangs out with Rachel and she tells Rachel that day, hey, we have to kill Skyler. How does that even cross your mind? So apparently they had joked about it before even in front of Skyler. Like at school, they would say, Oh Skyler, you're

so annoying. Like you better stop acting like that. We're gonna kill you. And then laugh, and so then Skyler, you know, was like, and other people had heard them say it. And so that's why everyone at school was kind of like, we know you did it, because you joke about it a lot. So they hid, I think they had joked about it so much that like the reality of it almost didn't seem crazy. Yeah.

Because they had talked about it so much. But they, you know, she was serious now, like she told Rachel, I'm dead serious, like we're going through with this, we're doing this. And so, they joke about it and everything, but Skylar had no idea it was real and it was coming. Yeah. So that night, July 5th, 2012,

Sheila picks up Rachel, gets a shovel, clean clothes, and cleaning supplies and puts them in her trunk. They get the knives and call Skyler to pick her up. Skyler's actually hesitant at first because their friendship is so bad and they had been hanging out all day without her. She almost didn't want to go. She didn't want to go. And they called her and texted her and convinced her like

No, just come like we're so sorry. We hung out without you today like just come It's gonna be fun. We're gonna go smoke some weed just sneak out. It will pick you up And so Sky there's finally like okay, I'll come which just hurts me. Yeah So they drive they go pick her up. She sneaks out, but they pick her up at 12.30. That's the video you see if her running out. They drive out to a place that they commonly went to smoke weed. So it wasn't like they were driving her in the middle of nowhere, like they've gone to this place before, they've smoked weed there before. They park the car, they get out to walk to their little spot where they like, and when they

decide to start smoking the weed, they're like, oh crap, we forgot the lighter. And so Skylar's like, oh, mine's in the car. I'll just go get it. And so she turns around heading back to the car to get the lighter. And Sheila and Rachel count to three, which they had previously said, we're just going to go on three, one, two, three. So they count to three out loud, and then they just start stabbing Skylar in the back. Wow, I don't know my head in a bunch of places. So they count to three out loud and then they just start stabbing Skylar in the back. Wow, I, I don't know, my head's in a bunch of places. Where? I just, one, we've talked about this before, stabbing someone is a whole

another form of murdering because you have to do it a bunch of times. So that blows my mind. It's just crazy. I don't know. Well, and they had kept the knives in their sweatshirt, like hoodie pockets. And they're 16 years old and like they're just gonna kill this girl.

Like dude. I don't know, I can't comprehend it. Yeah. Talk about mean girls. She's seriously. We're way over pushing someone in front of a bus. Yeah. That's. Oh, man. So Skylar tries to run. But Rachel tackles her two against one. Skylar actually gets a hold of Rachel's knife and like stops her in the shin. Oh, well. But then, you know, she la hops back on top of her and she's completely overpowered by the two girls.

They stab her repeatedly and then just wait for her to die because like, you know, it takes a long time for someone to die when they're stabbed. Oh, I can barely listen to this. So Rachel, when she's talking to the detectives, she says that like, right before she died, they were just kind of sitting there and just waiting for her throat to stop gurgling basically and Rachel Sorry, I just I don't know how you can tell this with just just telling it so like

Like I You're understanding now why this case is stuck with me for as long as it has. I think this is, I can't fathom it. I think this is why I have a tough time with it. Some time to shiss it. It can't comprehend it. It's mine. It's mine blowing. It hurts.

I hurt for a Skylar. Yeah, no, for sure. Like I can't, so Rachel says that her last words are just why. Not even like stop, even you know don't She's saying why like why are you doing this? and so She dies Apparently they had stabbed her like over 50 times like it was overkill to the extreme gruesome I heard one of the investigators say that they feel like it was just a thrill kill

They had thought about it. They had talked about it and then by the time the it came the adrenaline was so high Gators say that they feel like it was just a thrill kill. They had thought about it, they had talked about it, and then by the time it came, the adrenaline was so high that they just started going, and then at that point, it was like, it was stopped. Yeah, it was just, it was over, and they were like, whoa, you know. This summer, EXU Energy is back.

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and they leave Skyler's cell phone next to her body. And then they clean up the crime scene and they just drive back home. And then one of the girls literally tweets that morning, always keep your cool. Yeah, I was going to say, I wonder how that conversation was. They looked just walked down to the creek together, cleaned off. I don't go back in the car and just drove home. Like, it was nothing. Yeah, and then is on Twitter.

You just, you just not killed someone. You stabbed someone to death and watched her die. Your best friend. And then you just get on Twitter the next morning and always keep your cool. I can only like they had like their emotions for her as a friendship was just gone. Yeah, that gives me even more than that. Like it was it was they hated her. They hated it. They hated her. Yeah. Because they fell in love.

And some people said, like, Skylar had kind of made a couple tweets. Like, if I could tell all the crap I have on everyone, it would be over. So, like, maybe they were feeling like she's going to tell people that were in love. Or that we had sex. Yeah, or anything, you know. Yeah. Not justifying anything, just saying for motives. Yeah, we're just talking about it. So when authorities ask Rachel in the interview, like,

okay, well, why? Like, why did you do that? She goes, we just didn't like her. That's all she could say. So when I go back on Twitter to the dates of the murder, it's insane. Sheila tweeted later, like right after the murder, we really did go on three. Oh my gosh. Like it's just no big deal to her. Like this is our best friend since she was eight and she's making jokes about it on Twitter. Like she just stabbed someone to death and she's just joke and you can still go see those tweets. You can go to her page and scroll back and see all of these tweets.

I'm surprised they haven't been deleted. And then tweets along the lines of herding because her best friend is missing. So then you know, a week after she's missing, oh my gosh, please keep an eye out for her. She's missing totally faking. She tweets about lawn order. She tweets about how much she hates her teachers. And it's just like life literally just went on. Total like psychopath behavior. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Like to the tea to the tea. She's she's faking emotion. I'm so upset about she tweeting about Skyler posting pictures of Skyler on Instagram like I miss you best friend. But that's why she was able to stay so cool and Rachel was. So here's what I think. Sheila is the the sociopath of the killing. She had the idea

and I think Rachel was in love with her and she, you know, they're on drugs, you know, and convinced her to do it. And then just like typical sociopathic behavior, she goes to the mom the next day after she just killed her daughter and consoles her and fake cries on her bed and hangs up posters for her. That's crazy. Why would she leave me? Why would she became the victim? Why would she do this to me? Like everything. Everything.

She planned everything. Whereas Rachel ran away to church camp, came home and self-destructed until she gave them up to the church. Like a, I guess, what I'm quote, normal person would do. Right? It's just eerie and weird, which is why I think this has stuck with me so much reading the tweets reading the Instagram like

If if you're interested and like want to dive into that go back and look through them You just type in their names on Twitter and just the tweets are so ironic like some of the tweets were like Oh my gosh like this this can you believe this girl? And it's like, you killed someone. You killed your friend and you're going to talk about caddy girls. It's just weird. Their tweets after the murder are weird. Okay, so what happened to them?

Rachel takes the authorities to the body. The investigators actually allow Rachel to roam free because they're trying to gather enough evidence to take Sheila down because they know Sheila's the mastermind and they know she doesn't have any sympathy or empathy for what she did. I'm not knowing that Rachel has gone to the cops and given her up basically, she tweets a happy birthday to Skyler on Skyler's birthday, happy birthday, Skyler with a heart. And when they announce that they found the body because they say they found the body before they announce like any details, she tweets, rest easy, Skyler, you will always be my best friend.

And then she tweets, rest in peace, baby. I love you and I miss you more than anything. May you finally have justice, even though she's the one to have justice on. It's so crazy. It's just weird. I don't know. Also, how the parents didn't really would hold everything

and not call Sheila's parents or call Sheila, like, I know, to just stay patient. I feel so bad for them in the footage of them. It like at the sentence hearing when they're sentencing the girls because they're just sitting there, it's their only child, their baby, and they were completely, you know, and so, but then she starts to get a feeling that something's about to go down after that, you know, she's, I don't know how, they don't

quite know how she figured out, but she like stopped tweeting immediately, like, and then like two days later, they arrest her. So like, she got word that Rachel had gone or something. Yep. So, and it wasn't Rachel because they camped Rachel under lockdown. So on January 4th, they serve a search warrant to seize all the knives from Sheila's house and her car.

And then they arrest her in the parking lot of a cracker barrel. Like this girl is just eating cracker barrel after she killed her best friend. Like I just it's weird to me that life goes on for murder. She's just acting completely normal. She's just I cracker barrel mad chilling and then she gets arrested for her best friend's murder. I think that's weird. Yeah. Anyway, so she didn't think she best friend's murder. I think that's where yeah Anyway, so she didn't think she was gonna get caught. No, I just don't think she feels any sort. She's not care. No. Oh no

so Sheila is tried as an adult and Is sentenced to life in prison for first degree murder But she has a possibility a possibility of parole after 15 years Okay, I think cuz she's you know, yeah young But she has a possibility of parole after 15 years. Okay. I think because she's, you know, young. But either way, she got tried as an adult and got sentenced to life in prison, which is, I mean, it's a big deal.

So. And then Rachel gets sentenced to 30 years in prison and she is eligible for parole after 10 because she gave up. She got a deal some time. The niece family passes the Skyler law, which requires that the state issue an amber alert for all missing children, even if they're not believed to have been kidnapped. Okay. Um, this obviously wouldn't have saved Skyler's life and they know that because she was already gone,

but they know that it could save many more lives of people Skyler's age. There has been a $5 million settlement for the niece family against the other two families, so they sued their parents. Oh, $5 million. Yep, and they won. They got $5 million. Well, they didn't get it, but they won the settlement. And they know that they're most likely not

going to see the money. Yeah. But the settlement in it, it does prevent Sheila and Rachel from ever keeping any money that they make off the case. So if they write a book, or they do interviews, all of the money that they make goes to the niece family. That's good. That's actually really good.

And they did that on purpose because they were like, we're not gonna let them profit off of the murder of our daughter. Of a killing our daughter. Which happens sadly a lot. I'm sure, I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, so I read a couple things

that Rachel is married to another girl in prison now, and they're both in the same prison still. They went to prison together. You're in the same prison? In the same prison together, it's like a woman's prison, but Rachel did get married to a girl, which kind of like solidified for people. Maybe that's why Rachel went through with it because she is lesbian. And she loved.

And she really did love Sheila. And I don't think Sheila really loved her. I just think Sheila's manipulative. And kind of crazy, obviously. And so I think that she really did love her. And so the thought, you know, like it wasn't just, it wasn't just a friendship. It was like I'm fighting for love.

And which is why, I mean, it does show that Rachel, I mean, she's self-destructed. That's just crazy. So both in the same prison. Both in the same prison. And she's legible for a pearl in three years. Mm-hmm. Wow. Yeah, but there's like a petition that you can sign to Yeah, but there's like a petition that you can sign to Like that they'll give to the parole board to keep them in prison to keep them in prison Which I you know I'm there like I It's hard. I know everyone has different opinions, but she less scares me. They brutally murdered

Like I think it's scary to murder anyone, but she less scares the crap out of me. Oh, yeah. I don't, like she, I think she would kill someone else and be like, yeah, I killed someone else. Yeah, I think she's just literally a psychopath, sociopath, I don't know which one. I'm not gonna diagnose her, but. Yeah. From my very limited knowledge, I'm going to.

Man, that's crazy. Yeah, and like, do you see now why like this murder sticks with you? Yeah, and I think it sticks with you too because of the fact that, you know, we have Twitter now, and we have these, like, the I went back, and there's even a YouTube page, so just... It's so real. There's a YouTube page that just came to light, like recently, no one knew it existed, of Sheila and Rachel, and they like smoke weed and like hang out on the YouTube videos. And it's just like, it's weird to like go back to their Instagrams and see the pictures

of them, all three of them together and then just know that those girls killed her. For no reason other than she was annoying, like we didn't like her, she was a third wheel. She wouldn't get the hint that we didn't want to be friends. Hi, welcome to 90% of people in high school. Like that's just relationships. That's crazy. Yeah, I think that's why it hits so hard. It just seems so real with all these tweets.

And it's just eerie to go back, like line up the timeline. And it's a little girl that killed a 16 year old. And it's just eerie to go back, like line up the timeline. And it's a little girl that killed a 16 year old. Like it's horrible. I know this. I do listen to a lot of true crime podcasts, and I haven't heard this one on a lot. I've heard it on a couple. But not on a lot.

And I do think it's important to spread awareness to the fact that sometimes we downplay high school drama, but this high school drama got someone killed. Yeah. And in a really bad way. And so I just think, you know, pay attention, like it's real, the pain is real, what they're going through is real. And like, let's remember Skylar, you know, a 16 year old girl. Like, to be aware. Yeah, and I don't know. Yeah, no, that's good. It's a good, it's a good one.

Let's spread awareness for a murder that is truly tragic. Yeah, that's a good point. Well, that was a crazy one. I wasn't expecting that. That was a heavy one. Yeah, that was, there was going to be, but I really wanted to share it. Yeah, second there, I was like, whoa, I don't know if I can, I know. And if I can keep going.

I know. But you know what? They passed the law because of it. And I was saying it's a good thing. But, you know, the girls are in prison. And at least they caught it, you know? Yeah, there you have it. That's the murder of Skylar Nice.

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