Murder With My Husband - 5. Helle Crafts - The Wood Chipper Slaughter

Episode Date: May 1, 2020

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Essentially we just want to regret it. That was funny. Okay, that's all I wanted to do, that's it. Oh you're good. Okay, so I just wanted to start off asking if you've ever seen the movie Fargo. What's Fargo? A movie. Yeah. Oh my gosh.

Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Oh man, people are getting it. Have you ever seen the movie Fargo? What's Fargo? People are gonna hate this. They're gonna hate this one.

Anyways, it's like an older. Wait, wait, wait, wait. No, I've never seen it. Okay. Okay. So it's like an older... Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, I've never seen it. Okay. Okay. So it's like an older movie. And apparently our murder case today, Fargo is based off of it.

Not the whole movie, but just a portion of the movie is based off of our case. Okay. So I mean, if you have seen Fargo, that's kind of cool. But if you haven't, like us, then it really doesn't mean anything. Yeah. Also, so I'm on TikTok. I love TikTok. I know I'm too old for TikTok, but I love TikTok.

And right now, there is like a sound that is running rampant on TikTok. And it reminds me of this murder. And so I'm gonna play it for you. Okay. And I'm not gonna give you any context. And that's it. That's all you're gonna get.

It's so bad. I don't know if I'm gonna kill you. context and that's it. That's all you're gonna get I do want to kill you I Know I'm poison you I'm poison your cupcakes You pretend not to eat every day and just put like enough into just early We can you I would enjoy our last few months together Cuz you'd be so weak and like sweet, and I could take care of you and that while carrying you. See?

You can still surprise me. I figured for sure you'd gotten there with one fell swoop of the place, but you could extend it over a series of months. Have you ever thought about carrying me? Oh yeah, really? Sure. I like to do it. Woodchipper.

Oh, woodchipper? Yeah. Oh do wood chipper. Oh, wood chipper? What? Yeah, a wood chipper there. Wow. I know. See photo? Yeah. Yeah.

Ah. Ah. Wow. So that's all over TikTok? Yeah. That little end part. A wood chipper? A wood chipper.

Wow. That's funny. So that is from the movie This is 40. I've also never seen that movie, but I really like the girl actress and that. Yeah, we should watch it. I've never seen it either. I love me a solid murder case that has a ton of evidence due to the fact that there are people sitting in prison for something that they didn't do. And that just people sitting in prison for something that they didn't do. And that just hurts me to my core. I love a case that is just evidence galore. And that's this case. This is an awesome case that has a huge amount

of evidence against the murderer. It's literally like a cheesecake factory menu. It just doesn't stop. Like there's just evidence after evidence after evidence. And so that makes me feel a little good when I'm reading it, because there's no question at all. Yeah.

So yeah, okay. So where I got my information from for this case is actually this case is the first ever episode of the famous TV show forensic files. This was the first case they ever did. That's right up your alley. Oh man, it just gets my blood going. I also got criminally intrigued.com, forensicfilesnow.com, curant.com, murderpedia, obviously,

and reddit, obviously. Okay. Okay, so I'm just going to jump right in. Yep. So this case was the first murder conviction in the state of Connecticut where they actually never found a body. So they convicted him of murder without finding. And that's just in Connecticut. Just in Connecticut.

But it's the first ever conviction without a body. That's a big deal. And a lot of people, you know, we've seen from past cases is they don't ever convict without a body because it's so hard. It's so hard to convict for murder if you don't even have proof that someone's dead. They could have run away. And when was this? So this was in the 80s.

Okay. So this is the murder of Helle Krafts. Helle came from Denmark, so she's an immigrant, and she met her future husband, Richard Krafts, in 1969. She was training as a flight attendant, and he was training as a pilot, which dream way to fall in love, am I right? Oh yeah.

I hope we're flying. I'm a little flight attendant and you're the pilot. So they married in 1975 and they move into a house in Danberry, Connecticut. Early on, Richard gets colon cancer, but he survives. And this is kind of where we start to see Richard's unexplainable behavior. He gets annoyed that he'll be cared for him during his surgery and his chemotherapy. What do you mean? Like he's annoyed that she took care of him during it.

Oh, so he's mad because she's taking care of him. That's strange. Yeah, weird behavior. Okay. They end up having three children together. Richard was making roughly $120,000 a year, which is really good money in 1986. That's a big baller.

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It didn't matter the reason and so After he recovers from his cancer Richard starts disappearing for long stretches of time and Helly finds receipts from Christmas gifts that he'd been buying for other women time, and he finds receipts from Christmas gifts that he'd been buying for other women. He already messed it up. He decides that she's had enough of the relationship and her marriage with Richard. He's a liar, he's having affairs, and he's spending money without her knowledge. He seemed to do whatever he wanted.

He decided to work part-time as a local law enforcement officer, as well as a full-time pilot, which I'm like, I didn't know that that was like a thing you could do. Like, oh, I'm interested in being a cop, so can I just volunteer and participate part-time? Yeah, well, they just, so said he worked part-time or full-time as a law enforcement team. Part-time. Oh, wow. Like they said, he would just hear a call over like the dispatch and just show up. Oh, wow. Yeah. I didn't know that was like, I would assume it's not like that anymore, but I don't think it could be wrong.

And he just spends the remainder of his time with his many girlfriends. Geez. Um, he hires a private investigator to help her build her case against her husband for court so that she can have the kids, you know, stuff like that. She was really worried about how he was gonna take the news of her deciding to end the marriage because she knew he didn't wanna pay alimony. She knew he didn't wanna pay child support. He had a temper and tended to be abusive.

Even he's friends and family said that she can fight it in them about the abuse that she experienced. He also told friends and family before she went missing that if something ever happened to her to not assume it was an accident. I feel like in a lot of these cases that happens, right? Yeah, I seriously wrote, I know that seems crazy,

but if you love true crime, this is a pretty common part that happens regularly in these stories. All the time, they always tell the other, some family or some trouble. They know they're in trouble. Or something. Hey, if something happens to me, it's someone killed me. Yeah, whatever it is. It wasn't an accident. That's so creepy. So on November 18th

1986 Helly comes home from a European flight assignment and it was the last time that anyone saw her the next morning Richard woke the nanny and the kids and drives them to his sister's house because the power had apparently gone out in their house. It was 6am. The nanny actually asks, where's he was supposed to come home last night? He said, oh, she's home, she's just going to meet you guys at my sister's house. So a few days later, he misses her next flight assignment

and doesn't call in to give a reason why. So her friends at work call the crafts home and Richard tells them that he had gone to Denmark to visit her mother. And they're like, Kay, like, why won't she tell us? But I mean, apparently her mother was sick. And so maybe they were like, oh, she, you know, she needed help or something. He changes his story a little bit later to say she was on vacation with a friend. So he's just telling different things to different people. Once the friends start to compare stories and realize that they were told different things, they get worried and call a detective because police had actually turned down the case. So they called the police and the police were like, no, they're not investigating that.

So they call a private detective. Do you know why the police turned it down? I think because she could have just left. She spoke four languages. She flies foreign all the time. She really could be with her mom. Like, she's a flight attendant. She gets free flights.

You know, like, I think they were just like, it's very possible that she could have picked up and left. I wonder how often that happens now. Like, I wonder how often the police turned down. So I don't think that, I mean, I think police are under a lot of fire nowadays and suspicion. And so I don't think that, I mean, I think police are under a lot of fire nowadays and suspicion. And so I don't think that happens as often, like even with missing kids cases, we see that back in the day, they used to say, oh no, you have to wait 24 hours.

Like we have to know they're officially missing. But now there's been a lot of state laws passed about mainly from cases. Yeah, I mean, I feel like they're a lot more serious about it. Not that this goes for everything, but when I watch cops. I love cops. I feel like whenever there's a missing kid, they're on it right away, whether it's a couple of hours or someone calls in and goes, Hey, I just think they take it a lot more seriously.

Agreed. This is fun fact. Garrett's dad was actually a cop in LA for a while. Yeah, it's true. My dad was a cop in a couple of different counties and areas. So, okay. So at this point, Richard never reports her missing, and it's been two weeks since the disappearance.

He just keeps giving different stories, right? So the nanny for the crafts told the detective, the private detective, that Richard had ripped up some bedroom carpet that had a dark stain on it in helling Richard's bedroom, and that a large freezer was missing from the basement of the house. Richard had also rented a diesel-powered woodchipper around the time of the disappearance of his wife, helling. Oh my gosh. So after the news starts to lightly spread through town, a snowplow driver comes forward and says that he saw a man at 3 a.m. on November 20th with a woodchipper on a bridge over the Hussitanic River.

This was shortly after he had gone missing and this is what pushes the police to start investigating the case. what pushes the police to start investigating the case. A wood chipper. That's crazy. A wood chipper. That's just pretty crazy. I don't know. I've a lot. It's a lot.

So, um, Richard takes a lie detector test with the cops. And he passes. There's no indication that he had any emotion or filling it all during the test. It's literally crazy to me that people can do that. I'm not a fan of lie detector test. I mean, I'm going to talk this. Neither am I, but- Talk about this before, but-

Like, the fact that someone can just be in with cops, like, know that their life is in jeopardy. I Think I would fell a lie detector test just because I'm nervous in the room Like I can't even lie to you about oh, I ate the last cookie But I think it's a very so You know Pat yeah go path thing where they can yeah, that's why it's just crazy me that people can literally turn off their emotions And they're feelings that much and that They can pass a lie detector to them. And that's what it is.

It's completely turning off their emotions. So the lie detector test, I mean, I guess you and I don't exactly know how they work. I've never really looked into how it works. I think that lie detector test show a lot more false negatives than false positives. So a lot of people fail that weren't actually lying, but not a lot of people pass that were actually lying. Okay. Does that make sense?

Yep. Which is why they're dangerous, because it's more for the innocent people that I worry about for lie detector test, not for the guilty people. Yeah. The police decide to call in a forensic expert, Dr. Henry Lee, at this point.

They didn't get anywhere with the lie detector test. He accompanies them to the craft's home, and he finds five tiny spots of blood on the couple's mattress. After testing the blood, he discovers that it's the same type as helis, and it was circulation blood not menstrual. Mhmm.

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just like fall and it like rubbed on there. It was like someone hit and it cast off onto there. Mm-hmm. It's crazy. Um, Dr. Henry Lee also tests the towels in the, in the home, and he finds that some had actually been soaked in blood before they had been cleaned with bleach. Isn't that crazy that like they can find blood even if someone bleached over it and cleaned it? Mm-hmm. So the police decide to head back to the location where the snowplow driver said he'd saw a man with a woodchipper that night. Well I guess it was early that morning. They conduct a massive search around the whole entire area. They find a couple pile of woodchips on the side of the river and then a piece of an envelope

that was addressed to Helle. So at this point, it's like, what are the chances that there's male to Helle on the side of the river where someone saw a man with a woodchipper when her husband Richard had rented a woodchipper that night. You know what I'm saying? So they just, they go all out. They spend days searching the area. They find some blonde hair, tiny bone fragments,

metal, human tissue, and two human teeth. As the snow starts to melt, they find more, and they also find one painted fingernail. Oh my gosh. They decide to dive into the river at this point after they found all this stuff, and they find a piece of a chainsaw, but the serial number had been scratched off. It soon becomes clear to investigators that they are most likely not going to find helle's body in like human form. Completely.

Yeah. Between a wood shipper and a chainsaw, it's not going to be there. The horrific details of what people are assuming have happened start to spread and it becomes primetime news. Could Richard really have put his wife in a wood chipper? Richard maintains his innocence throughout the whole investigation. They begin to examine the chainsaw and they find human tissue on it. They also use chemical solutions to eat away the upper layers of the chainsaw and get down deep enough to find the serial numbers again.

You love this stuff. How crazy is that? This is total CSI. Like, I'm just like, the fact that they are like, oh, he scratched it off, but if we dig deeper than the scratches, we'll find the original serial number. That's why I think now in 2020, it's harder to get away with murder than it. Yeah. It's just, it's crazy. Think of how much is it.

Because I think Richard thought, oh, there's no body. I put her in a wood chipper. I dumped her in the river, not necessarily knowing that things were going to wash up onto the banks, but still. I think of how much things have advanced since the 80s. Yeah. I just, I mean, like we're seeing this huge shift now of cold cases being solved because of DNA, you know, their

advancement of DNA technology and all of that and it's just crazy. It's so cool. It's pretty crazy. They also study the hair and the tissue fibers found at the scene and they match to helis. A chemist compares the polish found on the fingernail to the bottles of polish at helis house and they discover that they're the same type of polish. Oh. So the problem with all of this evidence is it's obviously her, but there's still no body. They can prove that she was most likely hurt,

but how can they prove that she's dead? So they test the bones again by putting some pig bones into the woodchipper that Richard had rented and they discover that the woodchipper leaves the same grooves in the pig bones as it left on the Bone fragments they found like a gun like a like, you know how they can match, they did it with the woodchipper. They went all out for this. This is good though.

I know. So when they discover this, they do further testing on the bone fragments and find out that pieces were from her school, which is a really big deal because they now know that he might not have been dead going into the woodchipperipper but she was most certainly dead after coming out because that was skull bones and no one can live without pieces of their skull. You could live without an arm.

That's horrible. So based on all of this evidence, Richard is arrested and charged with the murder of his wife. And with that, police put together this theory. On November 18, helly returned home from her overseas shift and put her kids to bed. Helly changed her clothes, looked through her mouth, and then put pieces of it into the pocket of her shirt and begins changing the sheets of her bed. Heron Richard most likely get into a fight at this point, and while she was leaning over putting sheets onto the bed, Richard struck her with a police flashlight that was in their bedroom. Which, come on, like he's an officer, part-time, apparently, wannabe. And he uses his police flashlight to kill his wife, like, or hit

her over the head at least. So he wraps her up in the bed covers and then puts the body in the downstairs freezer. He tries to clean up the blood, but obviously you really can't clean up blood. And then he goes to bed. He wakes up the next morning, wakes the kids up, takes the children and the nanny to his sister's house. He rents the woodchipper and transports helleys body to the bridge around 3.30 a.m. the next night morning Using the chain saw he dismantles her body and puts the pieces into the woodchipper along with some wood Which I'm like he was so calm throughout all I wasn't there But it sounds like he was so calm throughout all of this. Yeah, and like why the wood I Don't understand like is it because I would

assume in his mind he's like, oh, they won't catch me because there's actual wood chips. There's actual wood chips, I don't know. Maybe, I don't know. I'm just like, okay, because the body was frozen when he put her in there, there was very little blood splatter, which is why they didn't really find any blood evidence. Does that make sense? And then Richard took apart the chainsaw and attempted to scratch off the serial number but didn't get, didn't do it good enough because they ended up finding the serial number. And then he throws all of it over into the river. But because he throws it into the river, some of it washes up or splatters onto the banks, and that's how they ended up finding it. A jury finds him guilty to 50 years in prison, and he maintains his innocence to this day. Wow. Richard's lack of concern through the whole entire thing helped convict him

as well as all of the evidence, because there was no body they had to go hard. Yep. evidence because there was no body they had to go hard. Yep. So Richard actually just got out of gel earlier this year in January 2020. Wait, how? Because he got out on good behavior because he had been a police officer before murdering his wife. Oh my gosh, he killed someone. He brutally murdered someone and chopped her up, put her in a wood chipper. But oh wait, he was a police officer, you know, so. And all because he didn't want to pay Alamoney or child support, basically, it's ridiculous. I can't let him out because he was a police officer. I mean, I guess we don't know for sure that that's why, but that's what all of the articles were saying. Okay. Um, he's 82 years old. And he's living in a halfway house somewhere. So just a place to get him back on his feet basically

It just it's it's hard for me to comprehend when people that brutally murder someone get out of jail because of my mind I immediately think they're gonna kill someone else So why do we let them out? So I was actually gonna to do like the all sound, you know, that we normally do when people get convicted. And then I was going to do like a fell sound for that he got released. But I think it's important that I believe in our justice system because if I don't then wear it, what do I believe in at that point? I think it's okay to

Believe in it and not believe in it at the same time. Yeah, so I feel like also When someone gets put in prison for a murder It's not actually a win like it's a win for justice But someone's still died. Yes, so it's not like you write it or wrong. Yeah, you know what I'm saying and even even if it was a life for a life Like the person Like those parents and their mind doesn't bring their daughter back. So it's like it's still sucks. Yeah, it's so sad and Yeah, I Prison is supposed to be about reform. Mm-hmm. And so I you know, I believe yeah

He's 82 Hopefully fingers crossed he doesn't murder someone again. I guess I didn't think about it that way I mean he's 82 years old, fingers crossed. He doesn't murder someone again. I guess I didn't think about it that way. I mean, he's 82 years old. He's not. Yeah. Okay. I guess he did serve a pretty big chunk of his life. I think that changes my mind a little bit. Well, this was a pretty just dead on. He killed her and that was that. I think he thought he was being sneaky. Like renting a woodchipper. I think he left he was being sneaky, like renting a woodchipper. I think he left the receipt for his woodchipper in his house.

That's how they found out he got it. So I'm like, he made so many mistakes for being smart enough to get rid of a body. Yeah. Because leaving a body is like the most damning evidence. And so, I'm like, you really did make a lot of mistakes for lying about her, whereabouts never reporting her missing. Like, at least for some of these family,

or spousal murders we see, they at least pretend to be like, oh, my wife's missing and oh, I don't know where she went. Like this guy was just like, yeah, eff it. I'm glad the police though did dig a lot and. And hired that guy because the, the said that the detective was like most of our, like criminal evidence clues weren't, like we're not going to find without a body.

And so he was like, we need forensic evidence at this point to put this guy away. And so then they hired an expert and look at all the evidence they got. Yeah. Like it was so much evidence. It was different than our other stories just because there's no it was cut and dry. Yeah, exactly. Well, that's it.

That's the story. The murder of Helle Krafts. That was a quickie. Quarrel! What are you doing? Where's your mind? I'm talking about murders right now. And I say it's a quickie. Yeah. I guess it was a quick podcast.

It was. Yeah, that was a good one though. His good as a murder can be. I mean, it was a forensic files episode. Yeah. So it's got to be pretty good. Mm-hmm. And the first one. So if you guys do notice, our first episode is taking down.

We weren't quite as on par with forensic files. We're still trying to get better. I feel like we're doing good though. We had to take it down. It just, it wasn't as good of quality as we're trying to put out there. So don't get confused. You're not missing anything. It's just start on episode two on our podcast.

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