Muscle for Life with Mike Matthews - How Legion Coaching Helped Esther Lose 13 Pounds & 12% Body Fat In Just 90 Days

Episode Date: May 30, 2018

In this episode I interview Esther, who recently completed my 90-day coaching service and dropped 13 pounds and 12% body fat, while also gaining a ton of strength (when she started the program, she struggled to deadlift the bar, and now she’s approaching her body weight for reps). As with everything, nothing ever goes exactly as planned, and learning to adjust and adapt to conditions is an important part of the fitness game, which is something Esther experienced firsthand. She ran into a number of roadblocks along the way that most of us can relate to, including issues with balancing work with her workouts, getting her meal planning just right, and dealing with hunger and cravings, dietary temptations, peer pressure, and more, and in our chat, Esther shares what has helped her navigate these barriers skillfully and prevent them from getting in her way. So, if you like hearing motivational stories about how people have changed their bodies and lives, and if you want to pick up a few tips that may help you in your personal journey, then this episode is for you. 3:52 - What was your fitness story before you started our coaching program? 4:53 - Did you try dieting before our coaching program? 5:58 - What led you to look for diet and exercise solutions? 7:09 - How is your lifestyle so busy? 7:48 - What were your results before and after our coaching program? 13:07 - What was your diet like before you started our coaching program? 16:22 - What was your diet during our coaching program? 20:42 - How did our coaching program build your willpower for diet and exercise? 22:14 - Why was the coaching program difficult for you in the beginning? 32:45 - What was your exercise program during our coaching program? 36:39 - What were your results after our coaching program? 37:35 - What were people’s reactions to your diet and exercise program? 38:28 - What are some myths with women and lifting? 46:28- How has getting fit impact other areas of your life? 51:07 - What’s your plan after our coaching program? Want to get my best advice on how to gain muscle and strength and lose fat faster? Sign up for my free newsletter! Click here: https://www.muscleforlife.com/signup/

I don't have to worry about not being able to keep up or just not being able to do just some fun activities on vacation or just like when you're going out with your friends and stuff, because I've got this physical confidence now. Guten Tag, mein Freund, Herr Matthews here from Muscle for Life and Legion Athletics back with another episode of the Muscle for Life podcast. And this time around, I interview Esther, who recently completed my 90 day coaching service and dropped 13 pounds in that time, as well as 12% body fat while also gaining a ton of strength. So when she started the program, she was struggling to deadlift the bar, and now she's

approaching her body weight for reps, which is pretty cool. Now, of course, as with everything, nothing ever goes exactly as planned, and learning to adjust and adapt to conditions is a very important part of the fitness game, which is something Esther learned firsthand while she was getting coached. She ran into a number of roadblocks along the way that most of us can relate to, including issues with balancing work and her workouts, getting her meal planning just right, and dealing with hunger and cravings, dietary temptations, peer pressure, and more. And in this chat, Esther shares what specifically helped her navigate these barriers skillfully and prevent them from derailing her progress. So if you like to hear motivational stories about how people have used my work to change their bodies and lives,

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thinner, leaner, stronger for free. Alrighty, that is enough shameless plugging for now, at least let's get to the show. Hey, Esther, thanks for coming on the show to share your story. Not a problem. Happy to be here. Great. So let's just as usual with these interviews, let's kind of start at the beginning. If you can just share with me and everybody listening, where were you fitness-wise before you found your way to me and my work?

What did you try? What had you tried previously? What was working? What did you try? What had you tried previously? What was working? What wasn't working? What were you frustrated with and so forth? Yeah. So before I found this, found your program, I was not exercising at all. I had a very poor diet. I was eating Panda Express and McDonald's probably four times a week, which is really bad. And, you know, I think I tried other exercise programs before, but sort of fell off them just because there was not a whole lot of accountability. And while some of the ones in the past did get me going to the gym as a as a habit, they set some good foundations for forming that habit. One of the biggest things that was missing was the diet portion. So pretty soon I fell off of that because I didn't see any results and life got in the way,

work got busy, and then I just stopped going to the gym period. And what kind of dietary protocols had you tried previously? Not much. I mean, I've always been pretty thin in general. I would be what you would describe as skinny fat. So I never really tried dieting before. I just ate whatever I wanted. And generally, I didn't really try to look at protein or try to look at how much carbs I was eating, etc. So I really had no diet before. Okay. And did you, so when you found me, was that your first introduction to anything methodical in terms of dieting or had you tried something previously, like, you know, maybe it's a low carb or something that you found in a magazine or had come across somewhere?

So your program was the first time I've ever tried methodical dieting. Oh, okay. Your program was the first time I've ever tried methodical dieting. Oh, okay. Before that, it was mostly just, I hadn't really tried anything in magazines except for just trying to cut down on the amount of food I was eating, but I was not being conscious of cutting down carbs or eating more protein. I see. And what led you to go looking for solutions?

Like what problem or problems were you trying to solve? So by that time, I noticed that I gained about 15% of my body weight previously. And I just thought to myself one day that I couldn't let this go on anymore. And so, you know, I was the heaviest I'd ever been. I was just really low energy and just very tired and lethargic all the time. And I was also going through a period of personal growth too. So I had actually gotten your book previously. I had gotten it maybe several months before I even looked at your coaching program because I was already thinking about dieting and exercise. And I read several chapters of your book, I thought it was

really great. But being as busy as I am, I was not able to I didn't feel like I had time to really put together a comprehensive plan. So I went to your website and just to see if there were any other services that you offered that could take that front loading off of me and see if there was a service I could pay for that did all that for me. Yeah. Yeah. And that of course was the coaching service. So tell, tell me about that. How did that, cause what, what do you do for work? Why are you so busy? Uh, so I work in tech and as you know, tech moves very, very quickly. Yeah. Um, you know, so it's a very fast paced environment. It's highly demanding and very high stress. You know, oftentimes, I would find myself working 10 to 12 hours a day. Once you do that,

it's just you have very little energy for anything else. And also because of the high stress, you oftentimes just end up having a pretty poor diet, because all you're wanting to do is just make yourself feel good by eating comfort foods all the time. Yeah, no, I understand. So let's start with where you were at when you found the coaching service and now where you're at in terms of bottom line results. How has your body changed, not just in the mirror and on the scale, but also in the gym? I'm sure that I don't have the exact numbers here on your lifts. I just have your weight and your body fat percentage, but I'm sure you are significantly stronger now than when you started.

Yeah, for sure. Well, aside from just visual changes, I've definitely leaned down a lot. Like I said before, I used to be, the body type that I had was just skinny fat. I was thin, you know, my clothes on and everything. People just thought I was thin, but I was not very lean. I was not very strong. I think when I started off on this program, I'm a very petite person. I was about 113 pounds. After the program, at the end of the program, 113 pounds. After the program, at the end of the program, I weighed in about 97.6 pounds. That was my average. So that's a huge change for me. And even though that seems very, very low in weight, all my life, I've always hovered around the high 90s, low 100s range. How tall are you?

I'm 5'1". Okay. So yes, that makes sense. So, for people listening, that is a – like to put a perspective of body fat percentage, I have here that you started around 34% and you ended around 26%, which looks about right looking at your pictures. And so, that's something that just people listening should keep in mind when you hear body weights. For girls or guys, what sounds very low or what sounds in some cases very high, it really depends on how tall the person is. And also weight can vary mysteriously. I mean, if it can keep, I don't know if it's bone density or like my weight has always been significantly lower than most people get think even, even remember I went to, I think it was like universal studios, you know, where you have the have the person guesses your weight. And if they're

off by more than five pounds, you win a prize or something. And at that time, I was really lean. I was probably like 188 or 187. And she guessed like 205. So weight can also fluctuate quite a bit for whatever reason. But anyways, I just wanted to interject there because some people, this might be like, oh, 90 something pounds, that has to be unhealthy. Like, no, not at all. My wife is probably five foot three or five foot four. And her ideal weight, what she likes to be at is around a hundred pounds. And like you're saying, she looks thin, but fit. She's not, you know, it's not an eating disorder. Right. Exactly. And, you know, I'd always been told my whole life that I was too thin, I was too thin, et cetera.

So I never felt like I needed to exercise or needed to lean out or lose any fat because that was just the narrative that I'd gotten my whole life. Right. When I started a dieting program or fitness program, people gave me weird looks like, oh my God, you don't need to exercise. But no, that's not the case at all. I think that- How did you, did that bother you at all? Because I know just working with a lot of people, emailing with a lot of people, that especially women in particular seem to be more sensitive

to peer pressure and to the effects of peer pressure. It did bother me a little bit at times, but I knew what I was doing was the right thing. And that just because someone is a certain weight or that they look thin, it doesn't necessarily mean that they're fit or healthy. That was one of the things I learned. And also, I mean, just to say, I know, again, working with people, sometimes you don't know, unfortunately, where people's criticisms or critiques or maybe they're saying admonitions or advice is really coming from. Sometimes it's coming from jealousy. Sometimes it's coming from shame, like they themselves have tried to get into shape and failed and it actually bothers them to see other people.

I mean, it sounds bad, but hey, human nature has bad sides to it. What can we say? Right, exactly. I think a lot of the times people who have negative responses to you wanting to get healthier, get fit, you know, look better, they're just projecting their own sense of dissatisfaction. Oftentimes, I think onto other people. I think in those cases, you know, if there are women who are getting those responses, who've always been naturally low weight, I would always tell them, look, girl, it's good to start lifting. It's good to start getting in shape. You might be thin and stuff, but don't let other people's negative comments or just backhanded compliments, like telling you how skinny you already are, stand in the way of that. Yeah, very true. telling you how skinny you already are, stand in the way of that.

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My parents, you know, studying all the time and my parents put me through music lessons. So I didn't participate in any sports. But one of the things that growing up in my parents' household, we never had snacks anywhere. So there was no habit of eating chips or junk food or anything like that. As far as diet was concerned, when I was living in my parents' house before going to college, it was three meals a day. It was breakfast, lunch, dinner. It was actually a very well-balanced type of diet. You know, we didn't have a lot of soda in the house or, you know, too many sweets or anything like that. So I would say that my diet as a kid was, yeah, it was pretty good now that I think back to it, even for not

being really active and not participating in any sports. So I would say that the diet probably helped keep the weight down. And also, I would always think that part of this is genetic to your metabolism. And luckily, we don't have anyone in my family who's too overweight or anything. There's some members of my family who are a little bit on the heavier side. But in general, I think it's because of our diet or the habits around our diet that living with my parents was actually generally quite healthy for me growing up. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. I was just curious just because that's very common, obviously, is like to be active and then not so much and not bring the food intake down with the

activity. Yeah, exactly. And then, of course, not, not, uh, bring the food intake down with the activity. Yeah, exactly. And then of course, getting to college, you have your freshman 15, you know, if you have a side job or whatever it is, you, you start buying everything, all the junk food that your parents never let you have. So, and even then, um, there were periods of time going through college. Was that, was that a thing for you where you were like, wow, this, uh, this shit's pretty good, actually? Yeah, it is. I'm like, oh, my God, I can have Cheetos or I can have a donut. I'll just eat whatever I want, especially since I had a meal plan in the first year of college.

You just go into the cafe, you swipe your card, and you go to town. So that was really easy to do, especially after starting to work as well. Now you've got some income. You can also go out to eat whenever you want. Going out to eat was never a thing in my parents' house. Even now, they hardly ever go out to eat. But after I started working, I felt like I had no time to cook. And also, you know, my friends and I are all working now. So we've got a little bit of more disposable income to just go out and eat and drink all the time. That sparked a pretty significant change in my diet, as far as what I had access to. Yeah, absolutely. And so you went from that

to then now let's talk about on the coaching experience. How was that? How did things change? And I'm also curious to hear how you made it work just given what you've told me about your lifestyle. And I understand that. I mean, I work a lot and I mean, I would say I probably deal with stress maybe better than most people. I never really got into like food was never an outlet for me for whatever reason, but I understand if nothing else, I understand the time crunch of it. Yeah, for sure. So as far as the dieting is concerned after I started the program, well, first of all, what I told my coach was that I needed something that could be customized to my eating environment.

And that's actually something that's really worth emphasizing for people listening is just actually I have a new book that's coming out this summer. And it's going to be a bonus chapter. It's going to be specifically on this point on the importance of environment. There's quite a bit of research on it that, for example, simply having, we could say, junk foods, snack foods, stuff that is high calorie, low satiety, low nutrition foods, just having those foods around dramatically increases. If you're like most people, it's going to dramatically increase your average daily caloric intake. Having foods visible versus not visible has been shown to significantly

affect how much people eat, even proximity. So foods that are close. So environment is a huge thing. It's not that you can't and your story is obviously showing you can absolutely thrive being surrounded by maybe being in an environment that's challenging, but you have to be aware of it. If you're not aware of it, and if you just kind of go with your default decisions, chances are you're going to really struggle if you're surrounded by food a lot. Right. Yeah. And that was the biggest challenge for me was one, that access after I left college and I had disposable income, access to pretty much all the restaurants around. I live in a big city. And two, the food environment at my workplace as well.

So, and one of the reasons I chose your program too, is because most other programs I saw or the ones I did in the past did not have a dieting portion to it. Sure. There was a lot of, there was a couple of ones. There were just smaller programs that were just starting out. The very least they did not focus on dieting as much. There was a lot of focus on building habits. Maybe I just found the wrong ones.

But there was a lot of focus on building good habits for going to the gym. So that was one good thing that I got out of it. But they did not put as much emphasis on the dieting portion. I mean, that's the problem with a lot of personal trainers. In some cases, I mean, I see at the gym I go to, there are a few of the trainers there seem pretty knowledgeable, actually, as far as training goes. They have their clients doing sensible things. It seems like the programming is good and effective, but there's no mention of diet

whatsoever at all. And I've been in this gym for a while now and I've gotten to know everybody and I see the same clients and they look exactly the same, mostly because the diet is very loose. It's just like a few guidelines, try to try to eat some protein and just eat clean or something, you know? And that's exactly what I was exactly one of those people. I had a personal trainer for a while. They would show me a bunch of exercises. Okay. I would try and do do them during the week. But there was nothing methodical about building muscle, there was nothing methodical, definitely nothing methodical about dieting. I found out very quickly that personal trainers

did not work for me. So I stopped that real quick. And then I tried an online program that happened to just mostly focused on the exercise portion, not too much on the diet. But what that program did give me was some foundation on how to build habits for going to the gym. For example, just removing the barriers to getting up, putting on your workout clothes and going. So things like, okay, if it's going to be tough for you to get up in the morning and go to the gym, why don't you put your running shoes or your gym clothes right by the door so that you have no excuse not to pick them up on the way out. So just little things like that that I felt from at least that previous program started building some good foundational habits.

What other things helped in that regard? I would say just in terms of willpower, I know you had a chapter on that, just kind of removing what would block you from going, excuses that you would make for yourself. And one of the things that also was helpful about that too was there was, you had also had a coach who was definitely not as in-depth

as the coaching program that you have now but there was at least some accountability and there was a Facebook group in a community where people would encourage each other share what they did at the gym every day etc so I would say that those things were helpful. But the thing that was most helpful, I would say, about your program was the weekly accountability and the weekly check-ins with the coach. And how did that help you? It just made sure I didn't slack off. I would feel so embarrassed going on my weekly call with my coach if I did not commit to my three days a week or my five days a week, if I did a really poor job on my diet.

So I think it was mostly just, you know, having that accountability, knowing that I had access to someone who could answer all my questions, no matter how basic or how dumb I thought they were. That was definitely really helpful. And also, I just didn't want to disappoint my coach. Yeah, sure. Sure. Makes sense. was definitely really helpful. And also, I just didn't want to disappoint my coach. Yeah, sure, sure. Makes sense. And then along the way, as you started to see more results, I'm guessing that that helped with intrinsic motivation. It definitely did. I would say in the beginning, it was really tough. Why? What was hard about it in the beginning? And how did you feel in the beginning? Like, how did you go into it feeling? I'm curious versus, you know, and then how did you come out of it? I was really excited because basically I just

quit all my McDonald's and Panda Express cold turkey. And I took the diet plan. I went out that weekend and I bought everything I needed. And that took a long time, but I was really committed to putting my all into this so I did that and the first week was actually really tough because here I was I was eating whatever the hell I wanted for a couple of years now and here I am just having eggs and oatmeal for breakfast and I'm just sitting here like oh I can't have't have my bacon. I can't have my sausage. But that's fine. And I would say the reason the first week was so tough was because that was also the first week I had started exercising a really long time or doing any meaningful physical activity that actually made me break a sweat or actually made me work. work. And I did the program where I worked out in the evenings and then I had dinner afterwards. Dinner was really tough too because I'm used to eating a large amount of food, I would say.

But then I was in the cutting phase for this program starting out. So that was really tough. And I think the funniest thing was that when I went shopping, I was mostly just estimating the ounces of meat that I was supposed to have for each meal, kind of eyeballing it in the package going by, oh, this package of turkey ham says it's there's six ounces in here, eight ounces, and sort of just trying to divide the weights of the food that way when I got home. Turns out I was actually under eating, I was not eating as much as I was being prescribed on my meal plan, because I was just miscalculating the amount of food I was eating. Eventually, my food weight scale came that I ordered on Amazon the next week. And when I finally weighed how much I was supposed to be eating, I realized, oh my god, I was eating like half the carbs I was supposed to be eating. No wonder it was so hard. I would say to people get that food

weight scale because if you were going to do this, you got to do this right. Yeah. And then of course in time you can, you get used to things and then you can more effectively eyeball. Yeah. Now I'm a lot better at eyeballing, but that was not until after I had two or three months to train myself as to what amounts of food equals what weights or what calories. Yeah. It makes sense. So, so that was the diet side of things. And then once you got your carbs fixed, I'm sure it was a lot easier.

It was, it became easier. I didn't go to sleep hungry like I did the first week. So that was great. I was so happy that I was eating the right amount of potatoes. And the great thing about the meal plan is that I could enjoy my food without worrying that as long as I followed the prescribed meal plan, the right amounts of food, I could eat happily without worrying that I was ruining my diet or I was undoing all this hard exercise I just did. Yeah. Yeah. And that's a huge benefit of following a meal plan. That's why I recommend it for most people that want to lose weight and particularly start there. Sure, you can lose weight without counting calories or tracking. You can follow some guidelines. I'd say it's easier if you are very physically active, obviously, just

because you have a lot of room for your deficit. But a big benefit of following a meal plan is, one, you do get to choose the foods that you eat. So you're not being restricted in any way, only in portions. You can't eat as much of everything you might want to eat, but you can eat the foods you want to eat. You just have to work out the portions. And then you also are guaranteed results. That's, I think, just as big of a, if not more, the benefit of meal planning is exactly what you just said. You eat your meals and you know, great, this is exactly what I should be eating. And I don't have, I can just enjoy this and I don't have to second guess myself. Yeah, that was definitely one of the big pluses of the program. And another one was that

if I got tired of a meal plan, I could ask my coach to change it or to work something else in for my meal plan. I actually stuck with that for the first one I had for maybe two or two and a half months. And yeah, that was literally me just eating the same thing maybe two or two and a half months. And yeah, that was literally me just eating the same thing for two or two and a half months straight minus my cheat one cheat meal every week. And then when I finally asked my coach to change it, she said, I thought you would never change this. I was wondering if you were getting tired of this. You're like me, I just don't care if I'm cutting. I mean, in general, I don't really, it's just not that important to me to have a variety of food, maybe because I genuinely enjoy, like I'm going to eat the same dinner tonight

as I ate last night. And I'm looking forward to it because I genuinely enjoy it. I guess I don't burn out easily on food, but especially when I'm cutting, because it's just like, who cares? I know it tastes fine. And I'm eating this for the reason of, uh, it's more for, for body composition than pure, just hedonic enjoyment, you know? Right. Exactly. I mean, I feel the same way. Um, I felt the same way about my diet plan as well as like, I didn't really care so much. I was

more interested in just getting the results I wanted and I was willing to sacrifice. Um, I mean, yeah, it was like what you said, the food is not bad. It's great. I was so excited every time I finished my workout. Like the idea that I could eat my dinner after my workout was got me really motivated. So that was always something I looked forward at the end of the day was just finishing my workout and just getting to enjoy this healthy meal that my coach put together for me. I mean, it tasted fine and I didn't feel like I was really craving other things because I think a lot of time food is habit, right? One of the things I discovered that, and I think you talk about

this in your book, is that if you're used to just eating poorly or eating foods that give you that dopamine spike every time and that's what you're after, then yeah, of course, you're going to be craving those foods all the time. But if you start getting onto a meal plan or something that keeps you on a strict diet, I think your mind is just going to crave those bad things less just because I think eating is also a state of mind. If you're used to eating things that are healthier and you can wean yourself off of craving those types of really fatty foods, I think a diet is not that difficult to follow. Yeah. I mean, there's also, I talk about this phenomenon in this new book of mine that's coming out and there's a bit of research from different fields that I kind of

weave together. And the long story short is the easiest way to change anything subjective, change what we're used to doing or what we like doing or what we crave is to simply have changed the objective, just change our actions. Because in the end, we mold the subjective to fit the objective. And the more we do something, the more we come to like it, no matter how difficult or foreign it might feel at first, all you have to do is just keep doing it and gradually you will come to like it more. And this has been demonstrated in a number of different ways with things ranging from not just behaviors, but to just random symbols, sounds, visual stimuli. It's just a psychological quirk of humans that we just want

to keep doing whatever it is that we're doing. So you have that initial transition period can be difficult, but if you stick it through and you know, this also obviously aligns with habit research where the average person takes about, it takes about 66 days to establish a new habit. Some people do it faster. Some people need more time, but that's what you're experiencing to some degree is because that's a pretty dramatic change from your diet to what it was to what it is. I'm sure it's something similar now, but that's a pretty dramatic change. So I don't know if you were surprised. I mean, it just depends. I don't know your history and know you as a person. It sounds like you're generally a pretty disciplined person and you

don't necessarily have, I doubt you struggled much with self-discipline or self-control, but it's still a big change. Yeah. I mean, there are definitely times where I did struggle. And like I said, I stress ate a lot, but I think it's one of those things where, at least for me, when I put my mind to it, I was able to just give my all. Even now, I'm on the continuation program because I love this so much. Just trying to, I will say, I mean, I still have trouble keeping up sometimes or just making sure that I am as disciplined as I was while I was on the transformation program. But that's just life, isn't it?

You have times where you're just if you're on vacation, for example, I was on vacation, I wasn't working out so much and on vacation, you know, you're just eating whatever. Especially you go to a new place, want to try all the local foods. So I think you're always going to have these ups and downs. But I think the more important part is just knowing that you kind of have the tools now to bounce back from it. Like, I came back from vacation. Okay, great. You know, I can hit the gym again. I've got this meal plan, my cutting plan again that I can go back to and just get myself back on track. things I learned from your program too, was just to, you know, if you don't hit your target weights or if you slip up one day and don't beat yourself up over it, just, you know, let it be and just do better the next day. Like you said, it's a lifestyle. So it'll be hard to be as disciplined as I was when I was on the transformation program. But I think one of the best things that came out

of being on your program was that it gave me the tools to really continue on my own. Yeah, that's a huge part of the program. That's what I wanted, even when we were kind of architecting it in the beginning. I didn't want to make people dependent on us. I wanted people to not just be told what to do, but understand why. So if they want to go off on their own when they're done, they feel like they have the tools. And if they want to go off on their own, when they're done, they feel like they have the tools. And if they want to continue, that's great as well. Or if, you know, a lot of people, what they'll do is they'll do what you did. And then if they don't continue right away, they'll go off on their own for a bit. And then they'll come back maybe even

at six months later and say, Hey, so here's where I'm at now. This is what I would like to do. Can you help? So that's cool. That's, that's exactly what I want to see with the service. So let's talk about the exercise portion. So you're working out after work, it sounds like, and how many days per week? Did you run into any obstacles? You know, did it did you go into it thinking it was going to be one way and then you had to change tack through it? Or? Yeah, so the exercise portion, I few years ago i i did start a habit for about a month and a half or two about of going to the gym so going into the exercise i kind of knew personally uh what i had to do to make sure i was motivated every day make sure like

oh okay i had my gym clothes all prepared so all i had to do was just like put them on i have no excuse not to go and for the the exercise portion, yes, I did work out after work just because I'm more of a night person than a morning person. I don't think I could have gotten up at 5am, done my workout and then go to work. Although I am reconsidering that now. But when I started the transformation program, I just made sure that I carved out time for it. Yes, work was incredibly busy, but everyone has 24 hours in a day. It just depends on how you want to use it. I did the five-day program because I, well, we first started on the three-day program.

We're three days split. But I told my coach, I don't think this is going to work for me because it's going to put me in the gym for a little bit longer for three days. And I just didn't have that time, especially if I was getting off of work at like 7 p.m. or sometimes at 8 p.m. It was just a little bit difficult. So we did a five-day split instead. So I would spend a little less time each day, but I thought it was a great way to just build a habit of going five days a week. So that worked really, really well. And starting at the beginning, I wasn't familiar with the exercises either. I didn't know how to do a deadlift properly. So yes, I would have to

spend more time on each exercise to make sure that I was learning it correctly. Watch the videos over and over again in between sets. So yeah, it does take a time commitment. And I think people going on a program need to realize that you really have to dedicate yourself, you have to purposely carve out time. By the time you get used to the exercises, and you're on a flow, yeah, sure, you could probably finish your day's workout in about 45 minutes to an hour, depending on how many exercises you have for that particular day. But I was carving out two hours of time a day to really focus on this. So and it's going to be different for every person. But I just, you know, one of the things I want to point out was the time commitment for the exercises. Yeah, and that's, I mean, that's like starting, you know, you start

anything. And at first, it's awkward. And you, it takes more time to, some of the movements, while they're not complicated, they are technical, like take a deadlift, take a squat, overhead press. And especially as you are going to be progressing to heavier weights, it's smart to take that time and make sure that everything feels good and watch yourself on video from a few different angles. And then eventually you get that kinesthetic awareness and you would never even need to ask somebody if your form is good or not, just because you know now what you're feeling, how that looks externally, but it's smart to put in the time initially to get there. Yeah, for sure. And when I tell people about this program, because people around me have been seeing the results and I tell them, look, it does take a time commitment, a lot of time commitment at the beginning, but it's so, so worth it. correctly, you know, you could hurt yourself, you hurt yourself. And also, if you're not doing it correctly, I just felt like, okay, if I don't put in the time to do this, right, I can put all the effort I want, but I'm not going to get the results that I want. I think that part was really

important. And just touching on where I was and where I am now. So I say I was about 112, 113 pounds when I started. I could barely lift a 20-pound barbell for a deadlift. Like that got me tired. And yeah, I'm a very small person. I had very small muscles or whatever, however it is you describe it. I was just not a strong person. But I will say where I am now, just two days ago when I did my first day this week, I am about 98 pounds, 99 pounds, and I was deadlifting 70 pounds now. That's great. Yeah. Big increase from before. Yeah. Big, big increase from before.

Yeah. Yeah. You're getting to the, the first milestone is, is deadlifting your body weight. So you're close. Yeah. I'm finally starting to get a little bit closer. I'm inching my way there. That's great. And so, so what if people, um, I'm sure people have noticed, uh, you mean, you said that, but you can tell just looking at your pictures, people have noticed and have people been surprised at what you're doing? Because it's not very, that's not what people would expect to hear. Like, oh, yeah. And they probably also might see that you're eating foods that, oh, but you're eating carbs.

And you have some sugar and you're weightlifting. What? Isn't that for guys? What are you doing? Yeah, it's the response hasn't been kind of surprising. What are you doing? Yeah, the response hasn't been kind of surprising. Like, for example, when I eat with my coworkers, my lunch happens to be a salad.

So they're not seeing me eating a whole lot of carbs. Some of the comments I've gotten were just around how disciplined I was, making sure that it was eating my salad every single day like my coach told me to. And also lifting. I'm a huge believer in lifting now we definitely uh spend a little bit time just kind of um getting rid of the myths around women and lifting about how lifting is going to make women bulk up and you know they don't want to bulk up but oh my goodness lifting is amazing and i don't think I want to, there's been no other exercise that has been so convincing to me and the results are phenomenal. How so? Just specifically for people listening. Yeah. Speak to the women listening who are like,

I mean, a lot of the people listening are on the same page, but there may be people that are coming across all this newly and are skeptical. Yeah. So I'm a very petite person. I've always been this way and I love how petite I am. So one of the things that was always, I went back and forth on was just this fear of bulking up. Some people love that look and I think that's great, but I'm one of those people that does not like a very bulky look. So I knew I wanted to lose weight. So I was going to do whatever my coach told me to do. But in the time that I've gone from trying to lift a 20 pound barbell to lifting 70 now, I haven't bulked up. My arms have toned out. They don't look thin and skinny,

like that really thin, skinny, like weak look. They're thin and they're lean and they look strong. I've gotten comments from my girlfriends like, oh my God, Esther, look at those guns. But they're not guns like a bodybuilder's guns. They're guns like I've just got, my muscles look really defined but not yeah good muscle definition it's just good muscle definition so but you can see you can see now oh there's

muscle yeah you can see it it's not just like this skinny arm there's muscle on that arm and as far as visuals go to um you know some of the things that people say, well, one, I can fit into clothes that I thought I would never be able to fit in to again. So, you know, I've gone to a few weddings recently, I was able to, like, I was really happy just shopping again, because I could fit into all these things that I wanted to wear. So that was a lot of fun. But yeah, I think just like compliments on, you know, my family has always known that I've been pretty thin. So that period of time when I was gaining a lot of weight, they definitely noticed. And then when I started exercising, being on this program, they also noticed like the weight that

I've dropped to and like how much stronger I look. So I think in terms of that, you know, I don't, there are no downsides ladies to lifting. I feel very proud to oftentimes be the only female in my gym who is in the weight section with the guys. Was that intimidating at first? Because I know for some women it is. A little bit, just because, you know, here I am, I'm struggling with this like 10 pound weight. And you know, these guys are lifting like 40 pounds an arm or something. I'm here like struggling with my little 10 pound weights. But you know, that's where you just have to start.

And I think it is a little bit intimidating. But I have to feel that if you keep that up, you go every day, you're consistent. All you're going to do is get respect from other people who are there. Women maybe are not people who are seen as weightlifters. And, but if you can be there and hang with the guys and be as consistent as they are and as dedicated, I think if anything, um, they're just going to respect you. For sure. And that, that is the absolute reality. There's. I mean, I would say I've never even seen it otherwise. I would say, oh, if it were any other way, then yeah, that would just be a random

outlier dickhead. But I've never even seen the random outlier dickhead. It's always, even the dickheads are like that, where they'll notice, especially so if women are consistent and working hard, even the dickheads will notice that and be like, wow, she's... And then on top of that, making progress. That's the game. So you inherently respect it. That's why they're there as well. Right.

Because everyone knows how hard it is, especially guys, to get those gains. So if you see a woman there, I think that's a little bit different. And I just hope that, you know, it inspires inspires other women to start lifting too. You know, if you see one girl there, you know, maybe another girl coming by, I'd be like, Oh, okay, maybe this is not so strange. After all, maybe they'll start lifting. So I think, you know, I think it just sets a good example, because oftentimes I see girls taking, you know, kind of just like doing mat exercises, which is which are great and doing cardio,

I think, which is really important too. But I think it also depends on each person's goals, but I would hope that there would be more women lifting in the gym, especially if they see other women lifting too. For sure. And see other women that look the way that they want to look. You look the way that most women want to look. So you don't look bulky. You don't look, they would not think weightlifter. They would just think like athletic or toned or, you know, define good muscle definition. So that is also, I mean, you're, you're setting the example. Yeah, I hope so. I think that'd be great. If I could get one other girl to start lifting with me, I think that'd be awesome. Recruit one of your friends. Yeah. Um, I have been telling my friends like, well, I think lifting is great and everything. So,

you know, hopefully they will come join me one day. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's also, it's worth noting the difference between exercise and training, right? So you see a lot of people, men and women exercising, which is great. There are health benefits to it. Physical health, mental health, like yes, doing anything, moving your body is good. And so I'm happy to see people doing anything. But the difference between that and training is training is more systematic. It revolves around progression and it's more difficult and it's more structured, but that's what it takes to really change your body composition. Exercise doesn't necessarily change your body composition very much.

It doesn't necessarily deliver the results that most people want. Now, if somebody's like, I just wanna be healthy, I don't really care whether I have much muscle definition or not, and I just don't wanna be overweight, and then that's great. You have a lot of options.

But if you are saying, I want that, plus I wanna have a certain look, whether it's guys or girls, that requires training. And that's the difference between what you're doing and what most people in the gym are doing is just exercise, even though what they want really requires training. Yeah. And I think, you know, speaking to what you want, one of the things I love about this program is that one of the first questions that is sent to us in the questionnaire is just to send your coaches pictures of what you want to look like, what you're targeting, so that your coach can have an idea of what kind of look you're trying to achieve and customize a plan to help you get there.

Yeah, and that's a hugely important part. I mean, let's face it, the visuals, at least half of the reason why I'll say it myself, I don't, I actually don't think I'm a very vain person. Maybe I'm just have low self-awareness, but I don't think I'm very vain, but it's still half of the reason why I still do it is because I want to look a certain way. I mean, that's just the reality. Right. Same. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Um, and it's something that you talk about your book too, because know we're always told that oh no vanity is you know bad or whatever or you know there are people in my life who i know they want to look good because i can tell by the way they dress etc but there seems to be some sort of conflict in between wanting to look good but

not wanting people to think that you're trying to look good. I'm not sure if that's a great way of explaining it, but I think it's healthy to admit that. Yeah, we're almost like they're there, they would be ashamed to say that they want to look good. Yeah, exactly. So I'm not ashamed to say that I do want to look good. And that's why I started doing this program. It's not just to be healthy. I mean, I want, at the time that I started, I was also planning to get back into the dating pool a few months later. So that was, there was that motivation. I wanted to start dating again and yeah, I wanted to look good. So, you know, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Yeah, absolutely. And getting fit, I think is the easiest way for anyone to immediately look better. It's the simplest way. It's not just about losing weight per se, but getting fit, like improving your body composition is probably the easiest way to increase overall attractiveness.

Right. Yeah. So I would say that this program has done so much for me. I really love it. How has it impacted other areas of your life? So previously, I'm assuming the stress levels in your work haven't gone down and previously you turned to food. How has that changed? I think one, I am tired at the end of the day, but it's a different kind of tired. It's not a lethargic couch potato type of tired. It's a legitimate, you know, I've worked hard at my job all day and I went to the gym and I worked hard there.

And it's a satisfying type of tired. And then on the weekends where I get to sleep in a little bit, I have a little bit more. I just have a lot more energy, I think. I'm not winded when I climb up a couple of flights of stairs because that used to happen very often. I can go hiking. I can do some of these physical activities when I went on vacation that I didn't really do before, just because I didn't have confidence that I could physically handle it. But now that I'm, you know, I've gone through this program, and I'm still working out, I feel a lot more physically confident in myself. I don't have to worry about not being able to keep up or just not being able to do

just some fun activities on vacation or just like when you're going out with your friends and stuff because I've got this physical confidence now. That's great. And that's something that I think one of those, you could say hidden benefits of fitness or things that people don't realize how far reaching those effects can be. It's not

just, you're just happier with what you see in the mirror when you wake up and then the rest of your life is the same. It's very common that the ripple effects, people are surprised at how different things are, even if it's just three months down the line from when they started. Right, exactly. And I think it just, it changes your life in so many ways. Like the ripple effects are, um, they go far and wide, even just like driving to a store and looking for a parking space. I'm a lot more willing to park further and not spend as much time circling around in a parking lot, just park further and just walk to the store. So just little things like that. I think, um, at least for me, it's made a bit of a difference. Yeah.

That's great. And you know, ironically, those little habits like, like that, or taking the stairs instead of the elevator. So that's like a non-exercise, uh, activity thermogenesis, NEAT, N-E-A-T is the acronym. And that can be pretty significant though. Like research shows that it can vary as much as hundreds of calories a day, just because of people that have little habits like that versus circling for 30 minutes. So, you don't have to walk an extra four minutes. But in terms of calories, ironically, those little things can add up. Yeah. I'm a lot more willing to do physical activity and no physical activity like such as walking to the store is going to be as strenuous as what I do on a regular day's workout. So that totally works for me. That's great. Well, that's all I had for you. Is there anything else that you want to say that I think that this is a great program. It's really changed my lifestyle for the better. Everyone who around me who goes to the gym or exercises or ask me what I do, I always recommend this program to them. Because especially if it's someone that I know that is not fit, someone who's not fit already, someone who's fit already, they probably already kind of know what they're doing.

already. Someone who's fit already, they probably already kind of know what they're doing. I'm not going to be like, oh my God, you should definitely do this program. But there are plenty of people around, I think around in all our lives who are not as fit, who want to get fit and just don't quite know how to get there. Or they've been going to the gym for a long time and they just haven't been seeing results. Like you said, when I was working out maybe three or four years ago, seeing results. Like you said, when I was working out maybe three or four years ago, there were some people I was seeing in my gym. I took a several year hiatus. I went back when I started on this program and they're still there and they look exactly the same. So I just want to tell people that if you're considering this program, it's definitely worth giving a shot. I know I wasn't disappointed.

Awesome. That's great. Well, thanks for taking the time, Esther. I really appreciate it. And Oh, one last question. So where do you go from here? Like what's your plan now? Um, so my plan is just to continue with my continuation program with my coach, Jill. Um, she's amazing. Um, until I get to the point where I really achieve that target look that I want. And then from there, I guess we'll see if I want to stay on the. What's that like? What are you, what are you going for? Very lean, very fit. I'm still working on my abs. My abs have still yet to come in. So definitely they'll come. I mean, that's where it's been explained, right? So it's like you have,

it looks like looking at your pictures, you're now at the point body fat percentage wise, where you'll start seeing them. And I would say once you get down to about 20% or so, and if you get a little bit under that, then you'll really see what you're working with in terms of development. But just know that some people have more core development naturally than others. And some people do need to work quite a bit on their core muscles to get the look that they want. And it can be the amount of work. I mean, you'll get there, you'll just do it, but it can feel a bit disproportionate in terms of it's like calves, my calves, the amount of work I've put into my calves make no sense for where they're at. And that's just reality. So there's

definitely a genetic component there, but mostly it's getting down to the right body fat percentage. and then just putting in minimally, let's say a good three to six months of like consistent work into them outside of your compound lifting. And for most people, that's where they're happy. Some people want even more development. That's fine. But, you know, it'll come. Yeah, thanks for the encouragement. I think so, too. It's just it's just going to take time.

I know where my body now I'm holding stubborn fat. So, you know, it's just keeping at it to reach that target look. And once I get there, I guess we'll see what happens then, but I still have a goal right now in mind that I'm working towards. So yeah, I'm happy to continue with the program. Yeah, that's great. From there, it's, I mean, if you have the look you want, then maintenance is a bit of a different game because you obviously can eat more food. You also have more leeway in terms of exercise. If, because you want to continue strictly just weightlifting, you can do that. If you want to do a bit of weightlifting and a bit of other things, just because you enjoy

them, you can do that as well. Like I would say when you get to that place where you're like, I'm really happy with how I look, that's the real payoff, I guess you could say, for all the hard work and the discipline of getting there is you have at least the option to be a lot more flexible with your diet and your training because at that point, it becomes more about energy balance and just macronutrient balance. In the exercise side of things, yeah, do some resistance training to maintain the body that you have. But I mean, if that's all you wanted to do, you could maintain the body that you have on like one or two workouts a week. Not

that you only need to or should just work out once or twice a week, but that's what you're working toward is more freedom if you want it. And if you're like me, I did, I kind of like weightlifting, so I just still do the same thing, but that's me. Yeah. I just want to say thank you for your time. I really appreciate it. Um, I know people will, will always find, I get a lot of good feedback from these, uh, episodes. People really like to hear other people's journeys and the specifics of what did they have to overcome. And your story was great. So thank you for taking the time to share it. No problem. Happy to, Mike. And if you, dear listener, want to learn more about my coaching service and how we might be able to help you reach your health and fitness goals faster,

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