Muscle for Life with Mike Matthews - The “Natty Limit,” the Best Time to Train, My Supplement Stack & More

Episode Date: November 13, 2024

In this episode, I discuss the natural limits of muscle growth and how genetics play a role, my daily Legion supplement stack, the best time to go to the gym lots more. As always, these questions come directly from my Instagram followers, who take advantage of my weekly Q&As in my stories. If you have a question you're dying to have answered, make sure you follow me on Instagram (@muscleforlifefitness) and look out for the Q&A posts. Your question might just make it into a podcast episode! If you like this type of episode, let me know. Send me an email ([e-mail]) or direct message me on Instagram. And if you don’t like it, let me know that too or how you think it could be better. — Timestamps: (05:27) Natural gains (10:28) Reverse cardio after a cut? (11:49) High reps vs. low reps fatigue? (13:12) Deadlift utility? (16:39) BLS exercises (19:28) Alternating vs. simultaneous curls? (19:55) Supplement stack (21:44) Extra lateral raises: overkill? (23:08) Weightlifting belt (24:13) Shoulder impingement help? (24:43) Best training time — Mentioned on the Show: KSM-66® Ashwagandha The Shredded Chef Lunar Whey+ Plant+ Recharge Creatine Monohydrate Stim-free Pulse Pulse Triumph (men) Ascend Balance Fortify Triton Elevate

Hello there, I'm Mike Matthews. This is Muscle for Life. Thank you for joining me today for a new episode, a Q&A episode where I answer questions that people asked me over on Instagram. Follow me at Muscle for Life Fitness. Look at my stories. Every couple weeks or so I put up an ask me questions story with the little sticker. I get a bunch of questions and I choose ones that are interesting, top goal, ones I haven't answered a million times before. I answer them briefly there on Instagram and then bring everything over here to the podcast where I can answer them in more detail. And so in today's episode I'm answering a

number of questions. The first one is why am I not bigger? It's actually a good question and I do have an answer for that. And then I answer questions about cardio at the end of a cut. What should you do? Should you stop doing it? Should you just reduce it? Very high rep training like 15 to 30 rep training. And if you should be doing that type of training, how that compares to lower rep training.

If there's any real utility in the deadlift, if you're not a power lifter, and if you don't really like the deadlift, if you're not a power lifter, and if you don't really like the deadlift, should you be doing it? Which exercises in my Bigger, Lear, Stronger program are better suited to heavier rather than lighter weights? Which Legion supplements I use every day? And spoiler alert, it's a lot and more. We will get to today's episode in a minute, but first I need to tell you about

ashwagandha, which you've probably heard about because a lot of people are talking about it these days. And the reason they are talking about it is because it is one of the most effective adaptogens that you can supplement with. And adaptogens are naturally occurring substances that introduce subtle, imperceptible stressors to the body, and that then can ultimately enhance the body's ability to manage stress. In a way, adaptogens work like weightlifting, where you continually subject your muscles

and your bones and other soft tissues to slightly more stress to make them stronger over time. Now one of the reasons that ashwagandha is one of the most popular adaptogens on the market right now is it contains a special type of molecule known as a withanolide and that can support various systems in the body that are related to physical and psychological resilience, including and crucially, the hypothalamic pituitary adrenal axis, or the HPA axis. Now, you can think of the HPA axis

as the body's central processor for stress in a way. It receives a bunch of physiological signals, and then it directs their responses via hormones. And in this way, the HPA axis affects many different functions in the body like strength, recovery, immunity, cognition, mood, sleep, and even slight disturbances in your body's HPA axis can impair any and all of those functions. Now, similarly, slight improvements in your HPA axis's operations can noticeably improve the same functions,

and it can give you better sleep, it can give you better workouts, it can give you better recovery, and so on. And so, that's why studies show that supplementing with ashwagandha can increase power, strength, and endurance, it can reduce stress, tension, aggravation. It can enhance sleep quality. It can support healthy inflammation levels and healthy

antioxidant levels in the brain. It supports immune function and more. And that's why my sports nutrition company, Legion, recently released an ashwagandha supplement. We've had ashwagandha in our multivitamin triumph for a long time, but our customers were asking us for a standalone supplement. And so now it is here. And it is not just any ashwagandha supplement, but it is the patented KSM 66 form of ashwagandha, which is the gold standard of ashwagandha supplements. For example, 24 different peer reviewed studies specifically support the efficacy of this form. And so if you have been feeling a bit overstressed recently, and you're looking for a reprieve or maybe you've been feeling groovy, but you just wanna see what more physiological resilience can do for your body and mind.

Head over to bylegion.com slash KSM 66, that is B-Y-L-E-G-I-O-N.com slash KSM numeral 66. And to save 20% on your first order with Legion, and that applies to everything in the store, not just Ashwagandha, use the coupon code MUSSLE at checkout and your instant discount will be applied. And finally, if you don't like my Ashwagandha or any of my supplements, all you have to do to get your money back is let us know. Just reach out and tell us that it didn't work for you and we don't even ask

you to send it back to us. We just give you your money back or give you a store credit if you prefer, you tell us. And so again, that URL is bylegion.com slash KSM 66, B-Y-L-E-G-I-O-N.com slash KSM numeral 6-6. And again, don't forget to use the coupon code MUSSLE at checkout to save 20% on your first order with us. coupon code MUSSLE at checkout to save 20% on your first order with us. Gustav Oderser asks, no offense, but why aren't you bigger? Well, that's a good question actually, because I'm not very big by Instagram standards. I'm significantly bigger than the average guy.

I'm 6'2", 193, 194, fairly lean, 9-10% body fat. And so I look very fit by objective standards, but I would look small by bodybuilding standards, even natural bodybuilding standards. And so the reason why I'm not bigger is really a combination of a few things. So one I'm natural and there are hard limits to growth. I started at about a hundred and fifty five pounds so I was on the skinnier side. I didn't look grotesquely frail but I was on the skinnier side when I started and so I've gained 40 to 45 pounds of muscle, which is about the most that most natural male weightlifters can hope to gain period, no matter what they do in the gym for the rest of their life. And so I'm definitely pushing up against my genetic limits for size. And then the second point is, well, I just said it, genetics.

So genetically, I was never a big, strong person. I was more of an endurance type of person. I played a lot of ice hockey, for example, and that requires a lot of endurance. It requires lower body strength, lower body power, you know, explosiveness, but you don't have to be a big muscular person to do well in ice hockey, at least when you're younger. And so my genetics play into my current size. Also I mentioned that I stay pretty lean and that makes further gains basically impossible

when you've already gained quite a bit of muscle. So if I wanted to put on an appreciable amount of muscle at this point, I would have to accept getting fatter. I would have to accept getting up to probably 15 to 20% body fat and staying there for a long time, staying there for six to nine months. And I don't really want to do that. I've done that in the past. Yes, it works, but I like my body the way it is. I like how it looks. I like how it feels.

I like how my clothes fit. And that brings me to my final point, which is my preferences. I am happy with my physique as it is. I like the way that it looks. And if I were to put on, let's say 10 or 15 pounds of additional muscle, which I am not sure I could do period. I really don't think I have the genetics to get up to call it 55 to 60 pounds of total muscle gain over the course of my lifting career, because that is definitely above average for, uh, for total muscle growth. I not sure that I can even do that, but let's say that I could, that look would actually

be a little bit too body builder for me. I mean, I'll take more calves because my calves are forever small. I would take more side delts because as a natural weightlifter, my side delts are forever small. But unfortunately, if I were to gain just call it an extra 10 pounds, it probably would go into a combination of the biggest muscle groups in our body. So it would go into my lower body and it would then also probably go into my genetic strengths which have been my chest and my biceps in particular which I feel like I have enough of for the look that I want and I feel like I have enough lower

body for the look that I want at least my upper legs and my calves are forever tiny. But my, my quads and my hamstrings are, are fairly well developed. And a final comment in my defense in the defense of my physique is because I'm fairly lean, what you see in clothes can be deceiving, especially the clothes I wear because they're not overly tight. I don't care. I wear because they're not overly tight. I don't care. I wear normal clothes. So if you see me in clothes, especially a long sleeve shirt, maybe a baggy one,

and you haven't seen me in a while, and maybe the last time you saw me was with my shirt off, maybe also with a pump, you might be confused. I've had this happen in the past where I hadn't seen somebody in a while. And the last time they saw me, I had been lean bulking for a bit. And then I had cut and I was wearing a baggy long sleeve shirt and they thought I stopped lifting. They're like, what, do you not lift weights anymore? What happened? Did you get sick?

But then if they were to have seen me with my shirt off, they would have been like, oh bro, you're jacked, ripped, shredded. And so there is a bit of a visual illusion in play when you are lean and wearing clothes. Okay, it's Amethyst Eat asks, do you have a podcast on optimally reversing cardio after a cut as your reverse diet?

I've probably commented on this over the years in various episodes, but I don't have a single episode that comes to mind. However, I will say that doing this is reasonable if you are going from, let's say like five plus hours of cardio per week down to maybe two-ish hours. But I wouldn't recommend going from two-ish hours of cardio per week to none, simply because two-ish hours of cardio per week is great for your health. And it's also going to help you maintain the weight that you've lost, which of course is ultimately the point. I would love to see fewer weight loss competitions and more weight maintenance competitions, because ultimately that is what we want. We want

to achieve our ideal body weight, our ideal body composition and then maintain it ideally for the rest of our lives, right? And so because of that I would rather see you continue the cardio at the end of your cut and then just eat more. So just add more food to offset the energy that you're burning in those cardio workouts to ensure that you are not still in a calorie deficit. Okay, James McKenzie asks, some say higher reps 15 to 30 add detrimentally more fatigue than say the four to eight range thoughts. Well, high rep sets that are taken close to failure are much more fatiguing than low rep sets with most exercises.

And if you doubt that, go do a 12 rep set of a difficult exercise like any sort of squat variation, any sort of deadlift or hip hinge variation, or even any sort of pressing exercise. Go do a 12 rep set and go close to failure. Maybe one or two good reps left. And you will see firsthand how tiring especially the squat and the deadlift is. I mean, 15 reps to near failure on a difficult exercise is basically torture. And that's not detrimental per se, but too much of it can be counterproductive because performance falls sharply and systemic fatigue can get out of hand if you're doing a lot of that type of training. And so to put it a different way, there's no good reason to do

very high rep training if you're just trying to get and stay jacked. For that you can top out at say 10 to 12 reps taken close to failure. You don't ever have to do more reps than that. JunkMD asks if you aren't a powerlifter or just enjoy them any real utility of a deadlift? Well if your life involves picking up things from the ground, especially heavy things, then yes, there is utility in the deadlift. If you like what I'm doing here on the podcast and want 125 of my favorite quick, easy and delicious fitness friendly recipes, you want to get a copy of my flexible dieting cookbook, The Shredded Chef. Because here's the deal, you want to get a copy of my flexible dieting cookbook, The

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do you have a list of which exercises to do eight to 10 reps versus six, for example, seated triceps press? Well, there aren't many exercises on the bigger leaner stronger program that I wouldn't do four to six reps of. That's why I recommend four to six for a lot of the exercises,

but there are a few that I recommend six to eight or even eight to 10 on. Like any sort of side raise for your side delts, heavier than six reps is awkward. Even six reps is fairly awkward, but the six to eight rep range tends to work well or eight to 10 if six to eight is awkward. Any sort of rear raise, any sort of rear fly of any kind, same thing. Any sort of front raise of any kind. Skull crushers, because heavy weights can be particularly hard on the elbows with that exercise. Any sort of pec fly exercise is going to be more

comfortable and effective at six, eight, 10 reps versus four. And that's about it. But remember that the current fourth edition program of Bigger Leaner Stronger that comes with the current fourth edition of the book, it calls for four to six reps on really just the big compound exercises and then six to eight reps on the isolation exercises. And that's not to say that isolation exercises can't work well at four to six or you can't benefit from a little bit heavier work on isolation exercises. You can, but I do think that the current setup where it's a little bit heavier, that four to six rep range on the bigger compound movements and then a little bit lighter, that six to eight rep range on the isolation

movements, I think that that setup is going to work best for most people. But if there are certain isolation exercises that you want to use slightly heavier weights on, that you do want to do some four to six rep work, like for me, that's always been biceps. My biceps have always responded well to a combination of rep ranges, including some heavier. Now, I was never doing singles or doubles or triples for the biceps, but I have done a lot of four to six rep work on my biceps over the years. And again, they've responded well to that. And so you may have muscle groups that you've noticed

respond particularly well to heavier weights. And there may be certain isolation exercises that lend themselves well to heavier weights, meaning that you can control the weights and it's not painful and the risk of injury is negligible. And if that's the case, then you can replace some of those 6 to 8 rep sets with 4 to 6 rep sets. Okay, Mrs. Taylor 10915 asks, is there a benefit to doing alternating curls as opposed to doing them both at the same time? Well, as the weights get heavier, the alternating part of the curls helps you maintain your balance and helps you maintain control of the weights, which makes for cleaner reps. So yeah, that's

the reason you usually see a lot of jacked people doing them alternating. permdog22 asks, what is your current daily Legion stack? Well, to be honest, I'm a I'm an avid abuser of my own products. I basically take everything because going all the way back to the beginning of Legion, this was me scratching my own itch. This was me wanting to see if I could make a company that makes the exact type of products that I want to take. And then I can take them and then maybe other people will want them them as well and it can turn into a successful company in addition to scratching my own itch. And fortunately it has worked out. So, I mean, I, every day I take whey plus, I take plant plus, I actually like to mix them together. I take either recharge or creatine monohydrate,

just the plain powder, or what I'll do is one scoop of recharge plus one scoop of the creatine mono on top of it to get up to 10 grams of creatine mono for the additional brain benefits that seem to require more than five grams a day to maximize. And I take either Stem-free or Stem pulse before training, depending on where my caffeine is at. I like to have espresso in the morning, but I'm using pulse every day. And I'm lifting three days a week and I'm doing cardio on the other days. So sometimes what I'll do is stim. So the caffeinated pulse on my lifting days and then the stim-free on my cardio days. But sometimes I use the stim-free on my lifting days. I just listen to my body as they say. I also take a serving of Triumph every

day. I take a serving of Ascend every day. Biome balance, Fortify, Elevate, sucursomial magnesium, Triton. I basically use it all. So that's the honest answer. Peter G. Do-It asks, doing an extra six sets of lateral side raises a week, good range or overkill 68 reps hypertrophy? Well, if you're new doing six to eight sets of side delts per week should be enough to achieve maximum growth that is available to you as a new lifter. As you gain experience though, if your side delts are lagging, it will probably take more than six to eight sets per week. It'll probably take something closer to maybe 10 to 15 sets

per week. And because of how the side delts function, it often takes a lot of direct volume, meaning you have to do some sort of side raise, you have to do some sort of side delt exercise because they don't get sufficiently stimulated by other exercises that involve them. Like for example, with the front delts, you are training them. You really can count it as direct volume for front delts when you are bench pressing, for example, but you can't really count the bench press as direct volume for the side delts. And so that is one of the reasons why many natural lifters have clearly lagging side delts is they simply just don't do enough direct side delt volume.

And often it just seems like that's a stubborn muscle group for basically everyone. Rydog32 asks, Hey Mike, is it okay to use weightlifting to use a weightlifting belt all the time? I don't recommend that, especially if it is a good belt and you know how to use it properly because it can become a crutch of sorts and it can negatively impact your performance without a belt. And I've made this mistake and I've been training beltless now

for probably close to a year. And for the first several months, it was hard. I had to drop weight on my poles, my deadlifts. I had to drop weight on my squats. And it was fairly significant. And now I've built that strength back up without the belt. And I'm enjoying it. So I haven't brought the belt back in yet. And one other note on the belt is I think the best way to use it is only on your heaviest sets,

but not all of them. So just maybe the first heavy set or maybe your top set if you're training that way. Well belt up for that, but then all your other heavy sets or moderately heavy sets, no belt. Slambo6 asks, stretches slash exercises to help shoulder impingement better now, but can't overhead press due to strain. Well dead hangs, which is something I know I've recommended many times, but I'm going to recommend it again. Dead hangs, probably the single best option here. Do several sets several times per week, work up to two minutes of hanging per set. And it's very possible that within a few weeks of doing that, you're going to notice major improvements that might

let you get back to overhead pressing. Steve Schott asks, how come there is never anyone in your gym when you go? Well, when Steve asked this question, I was going around 1 p.m., which was a great time because if you go too early, the gym is full of normal people with normal jobs. If you go in the mid morning, it's full of retired people. If you go in the mid afternoon, like maybe 4 p.m. or so, the Zoomer takeover begins and then the evening is just the influencer orgy. And so 1 p.m. was great because it was just a handful of lunch breakers, a few unemployed people, a few business owners. But now I'm going at, I get there about 7.45 in the morning

because my son wanted to start coming with me. And so he is wrapping up some tutoring that he has been doing to get caught up on his reading and math that he fell behind on during COVID. And so in coordination with the school that he goes to, they recommended that he just focus all of his effort on getting his reading and math remediated because it is basically impossible to succeed

in fifth or sixth grade when you're reading several grades below and your math is at several grades below. So he's been doing that and that starts at 9 a.m. And so he wanted to start coming to the gym with me. And so we get there usually around 7.45. We're there for about an hour. And then we go home and he starts his tutoring.

And so now I am enjoying the 7.45 slot because it's after the 5, 6 a.m. early morning rush. It's before the mid-morning retiree rush. It's not so early that I feel like my performance is impaired. I have experienced a bit of that in the past when I was getting to the gym around six or six thirty. I definitely noticed that I wasn't as strong as when I was training a little bit later in the day. But if it's 745, I generally feel good. I feel energized. I feel awake.

And I've been able to make progress in my training. So it's been nice. And also, of course, it's been nice to train with my son. We will wrap up today's episode shortly. But first, I need to tell you about ashwagandha, which is one of my favorite adaptogen supplements. And adaptogens are naturally occurring substances that introduce subtle, imperceptible stressors to the body, and that then can ultimately enhance the body's ability to manage stress. In a way, adaptogens work like weightlifting, where you continually subject your

muscles and your bones and other soft tissues to slightly more stress to make them stronger over time. Now, one of the reasons that ashwagandha is one of the most popular adaptogens on the market right now is it contains a special type of molecule known as a withanolide and that can support various systems in the body that are related to physical and psychological resilience, including and crucially, the hypothalamic pituitary adrenal axis or the HPA axis. Now you can think of the HPA axis as the body's central processor for stress in a way.

It receives a bunch of physiological signals and then it directs their responses via hormones. And in this way, the HPA axis affects many different functions in the body, like strength, recovery, immunity, cognition, mood, sleep, and even slight disturbances in your body's HPA axis can impair any and all of those functions. Now similarly, slight improvements in your HPA axis's operations can noticeably improve the same functions, and it can give you better sleep, it can give you better workouts, it can give you better recovery, and so on. And so, that's why studies show that supplementing with ashwagandha can increase power, strength, and endurance.

It can reduce stress, tension, aggravation. It can enhance sleep quality. It can support healthy inflammation levels and healthy antioxidant levels in the brain. It supports immune function and more. And that's why my sports nutrition company, Legion, recently released an ashwagandha supplement. We've had ashwagandha in our multivitamin triumph for a long time, but our customers were asking us for a standalone

supplement and so now it is here. And it is not just any ashwagandha supplement, but it is the patented KSM 66 form of ashwagandha, which is the gold standard of ashwagandha supplements. For example, 24 different peer-reviewed studies specifically support the efficacy of this form. And so if you have been feeling a bit overstressed recently and you're looking for a reprieve or maybe you've been feeling groovy but you just want to see what more physiological resilience can do for your body and mind, head over to buylegion.com slash ksm 66 that is b-y-l-e-g-i-o-n.com slash ksm numeral six six and to save 20% on your first order with Legion and that applies to everything in the store,

not just Ashwagandha, use the coupon code MUSSLE at checkout and your instant discount will be applied. And finally, if you don't like my Ashwagandha or any of my supplements, all you have to do to get your money back is let us know. Just reach out and tell us that it didn't work for you and we don't even ask you to send it back to us. We just give you your money back

or give you a store credit if you prefer. You tell us. And so again, that URL is bylegion.com slash KSM 66, B-Y-L-E-G-I-O-N.com slash KSM numeral 66. And again, don't forget to use the coupon code MUSSLE at checkout to save 20% on your first order with us. Well, I hope you liked this episode. I hope you found it helpful. And if you did subscribe to the show because it makes sure that you don't miss new episodes. And it also helps me because it increases the rankings of the show a little bit, which of course then makes it a little bit more easily found by other people who may like it just as much as you. And if you didn't like something about this episode or about the show in general, or if

you have ideas or suggestions or just feedback to share, shoot me an email, Mike at muscle for life.com muscle F O R life.com and let me know what I could do better or just what your thoughts are about, maybe what you'd like to see me do in the future. I read everything myself. I'm always looking for new ideas and constructive feedback. So thanks again for listening to this episode and I hope to hear from you soon.