My Brother, My Brother And Me - FEED DROP - The Besties Play Animal Crossing: New Horizons!
Episode Date: April 1, 2020This isn't an episode of MBMBaM, but hey! Every living human being on Earth is talking about this game, so we decided to toss our Besties discussion here on the MBMBaM feed! (Don't fret -- this isn't ...taking the place of a MBMBaM; it's back Monday!)The Besties is a gaming podcast featuring Justin, Griffin, and Polygon co-founders Chris Plante and Russ Frushtick. We've been doing the show for a while, but only recently relaunched as a Spotify Original! You can follow the show for free at Besties.fan.
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                                        Oh, hey, this is Justin McElroy, and I'm Griffin McElroy.
                                         
                                        We've never done a feed drop before.
                                         
                                        I guess technically the McElroy brothers will be in trolls to the first episode of that
                                         
                                        adventure zone.
                                         
                                        Technically, we've actually done quite a few feed drops.
                                         
                                        If you think about it, intentional, intentional feed drops.
                                         
                                        But this is this is a horse of a different color because we're talking about the besties.
                                         
                                        And this. Yes.
                                         
    
                                        This is a video game podcast we make with our friends, Rush, Rushdick and Chris Plant.
                                         
                                        It is a Spotify exclusive, which means it's only over there.
                                         
                                        For you to listen to.
                                         
                                        But we did sneak this episode across because it's about Animal Crossing.
                                         
                                        And everybody's talking about it.
                                         
                                        And we wanted to share this show that we're very proud of with you.
                                         
                                        So we thought this would be a good one to do it with.
                                         
                                        If it's not your thing, you know, we'll be back next Monday with another.
                                         
    
                                        This isn't taking the place of them a bin van.
                                         
                                        This is just a little something extra because Animal Crossing is virtually all
                                         
                                        we can think about.
                                         
                                        So I wanted to put our thoughts, our thoughts out there.
                                         
                                        If you like it, you can find it on Spotify.
                                         
                                        You don't need a paid membership or anything.
                                         
                                        You can follow them, listen for free over there.
                                         
                                        And we're on Twitter at the besties pod.
                                         
    
                                        Yep.
                                         
                                        So that's the show.
                                         
                                        It's the besties.
                                         
                                        Here it comes for you.
                                         
                                        We hope you dig it and we'll hope you check out more.
                                         
                                        And we'll be back Monday with a new Mbem Bam.
                                         
                                        So hold, hold your horses.
                                         
                                        Partner, this got weird.
                                         
    
                                        Okay.
                                         
                                        So I want to get, I want to get this.
                                         
                                        We're going to have a lot of new listeners for cause this is the Animal Crossing.
                                         
                                        It's going to be a big show.
                                         
                                        So I was thinking we should sort of in the cold open here.
                                         
                                        We don't normally address the audience.
                                         
                                        It's kind of just like a fun time for friends.
                                         
                                        And I hate to violate that sacred thing, but I think we should like all sort of
                                         
    
                                        introduce ourselves and like who we are.
                                         
                                        So like I'm Justin and I'm kind of the, the, would you guys, you guys are about
                                         
                                        to all say bad boy at the same time, but all the bad, I'm kind of the bad boy.
                                         
                                        Griffin, you can't find me not on my skateboard.
                                         
                                        So it kind of sounds like a bad boy way.
                                         
                                        Well, it does kind of sound like that, huh?
                                         
                                        And that's sort of a thing that me and Justin have going on as a friction of
                                         
                                        who's the baddest boy.
                                         
    
                                        Every episode, Chris and Russ will vote on who they think the baddest boy is.
                                         
                                        And the other one.
                                         
                                        It's tight.
                                         
                                        Usually it's pretty tight.
                                         
                                        It's tight.
                                         
                                        And the loser has to wear a big baby bonnet and suck their thumb the whole time.
                                         
                                        Chris, what's your thing?
                                         
                                        Oh, I'm, I'm the one who does the solo album, but doesn't find success, but
                                         
    
                                        shows up at like state fairs for the next 20 years.
                                         
                                        And you're like, wait, what band was he in?
                                         
                                        Oh, yeah.
                                         
                                        Yeah, they were pretty good.
                                         
                                        Chris is, Chris is Dustin Timberlake.
                                         
                                        I'm the one that makes it all happen to be perfectly honest.
                                         
                                        Like I know you all think you are making it happen.
                                         
                                        It's all coming from me.
                                         
    
                                        So it's too, too bad boys, a failure and the puppeteer.
                                         
                                        Is it, can I switch to the sexy one?
                                         
                                        You just put on gunner glasses.
                                         
                                        No, you can't.
                                         
                                        You can never use that adjective ever again, Justin.
                                         
                                        I want to be the short, the short.
                                         
                                        My mouth can't form the word.
                                         
                                        The gutters, they're blocking blue light and my ability to say sexy.
                                         
    
                                        Oh my God, you look like gamer Bono.
                                         
                                        My name is Justin McElroy and I know the best game of the pandemic.
                                         
                                        My name is Griffin McElroy and I am a turnip man.
                                         
                                        My name is Christopher Plant and I live on Sweet Boy Island.
                                         
                                        My name is Russ Froschick and I should have cleared my throat
                                         
                                        before I said that.
                                         
                                        Hello and welcome to the Besties where we discuss the latest
                                         
                                        and greatest in video gaming entertainment.
                                         
    
                                        It is a video game book club is a game of the year show
                                         
                                        that goes all year long.
                                         
                                        And this week we're going to talk about Animal Crossing.
                                         
                                        Now the New Horizons.
                                         
                                        Here's my thesis statement.
                                         
                                        I made no small amount of noise about not being as excited
                                         
                                        about Animal Crossing as everybody else was.
                                         
                                        You got to take those gunners off.
                                         
    
                                        I can't.
                                         
                                        I was going to take it.
                                         
                                        Well, I was about to take off in a dramatic moment, but now
                                         
                                        I'll just take them off in the course of action.
                                         
                                        Just be careful with the strain.
                                         
                                        The eye strain is deadly.
                                         
                                        It's already having a migraine.
                                         
                                        So thank you Griffin.
                                         
    
                                        So I wasn't very excited about Animal Crossing New Horizon.
                                         
                                        And that was a few weeks ago.
                                         
                                        And now I think it may be the most like in a sense important
                                         
                                        video game to ever be released in the history of humanity.
                                         
                                        Correct.
                                         
                                        Yes.
                                         
                                        This is not an exaggeration.
                                         
                                        No.
                                         
    
                                        I'm literally, I literally think this could end up being the
                                         
                                        most important game.
                                         
                                        And important is a very loaded term.
                                         
                                        Obviously I'm not talking about in the course of like video
                                         
                                        game development, right?
                                         
                                        It's not going to change the world the way like a Wolfenstein
                                         
                                        or like the Beatles Rock Band, for example, or the Beatles
                                         
                                        Rock Band.
                                         
    
                                        You absolutely.
                                         
                                        Mr. Mosquito like that.
                                         
                                        We're talking about the big milestone irritating stick.
                                         
                                        No, but this game is going to save lives.
                                         
                                        Literally again, save lives.
                                         
                                        Animal Crossing New Horizons is the most important video game
                                         
                                        possibly in the history of humanity.
                                         
                                        And I would like to talk with you about it now.
                                         
    
                                        That's all I have to say about it.
                                         
                                        I like catching bugs, whatever, but that's that's kind of
                                         
                                        that where I wanted to leave from.
                                         
                                        Yeah, I think it's worth just like the the the thing that
                                         
                                        Animal Crossing provides and we're going to talk a lot about
                                         
                                        the game today, but the thing it provides is a quasi facsimile
                                         
                                        of going outside, which you for a lot of people cannot do
                                         
                                        right now.
                                         
    
                                        Yeah, it's pretty nice and control.
                                         
                                        Oh, yeah, you know what I mean?
                                         
                                        Like we're in a we're in a moment now where I think people
                                         
                                        have the least amount of control they've ever had over
                                         
                                        their general situation, and this is a game that lets you
                                         
                                        control nearly everything in the world to to make it the
                                         
                                        world that you want it to in a way that like for a lot of
                                         
                                        people is impossible right now.
                                         
    
                                        And I think that that the balm of the the sensation of being
                                         
                                        in a world that was pleasant and under my control is was
                                         
                                        unlike anything I have experienced like the relief I
                                         
                                        felt just getting in I have no comparison for.
                                         
                                        Plant, do you want to like just like do a quick rundown of
                                         
                                        like what this game even is for people that aren't familiar
                                         
                                        with Animal Crossing for the four people listening who don't
                                         
                                        know the long history of Animal Crossing is you move to a city
                                         
    
                                        in this case you move to an island you get a new house and
                                         
                                        a mortgage the mortgage is generously provided to you with
                                         
                                        zero interest.
                                         
                                        You pay it off whenever you want as you pay it off you grow
                                         
                                        that house you do things like decorating the house in this
                                         
                                        game you can decorate the entire island effectively doing
                                         
                                        these things and cleaning makes you more money which allows
                                         
                                        you to get more stuff to decorate the island in the house
                                         
    
                                        it's very very very simple it's basically chores the video
                                         
                                        game.
                                         
                                        Oh my God.
                                         
                                        It is but that's so no I think I think that's very I think
                                         
                                        that is part of what Justin is talking about and why it's
                                         
                                        so fulfilling because all the things that you do in this game
                                         
                                        are things you do in real life but without any reward in this
                                         
                                        game I mean that's not true in this game you pick weeds you
                                         
    
                                        get paid for it and I know but you're you're fish and ocean
                                         
                                        fish and you're cutting trees like it's a day dude.
                                         
                                        Yeah but I mean you know why I'm not going to cut down trees
                                         
                                        because if I cut down trees in the real world I probably get
                                         
                                        hurt and I get nothing for it but a cut down tree I cut down
                                         
                                        trees here.
                                         
                                        I did some great landscaping it was doable without like serious
                                         
                                        harm to myself or my friends or family you would to make a
                                         
    
                                        table would you that I could make you know a video game
                                         
                                        console out of wood because like apparently that's how you
                                         
                                        make video game consoles.
                                         
                                        So that's that's the basics new horizons I as I've been looking
                                         
                                        forward to this game for the better part of a decade and I
                                         
                                        was a little bit worried about some of the things like I was
                                         
                                        not sure how the crafting system was going to play out that
                                         
                                        is like a new major focus in this installment that's never
                                         
    
                                        been in the games before the you know the island aesthetic I
                                         
                                        was a little bit worried about sort of coloring the game in
                                         
                                        a way that I was not going to be a huge fan of I know islands
                                         
                                        well no it's just you know islands is a sometime food you
                                         
                                        know what I mean I'm a I'm a landlubber yeah I am blown away
                                         
                                        like every day that I play this game how just smart the things
                                         
                                        that they have added a new horizons is like the the crafting
                                         
                                        system the sort of extra effort that you have to put in to get
                                         
    
                                        people to move to your to get new villagers to move to your
                                         
                                        island having to like not only build the houses but kind of
                                         
                                        furnish them using the crafting system like the the crafting
                                         
                                        stuff I think specifically you could talk on and on and on
                                         
                                        about about how just sort of intelligently it the the rest
                                         
                                        of the game has kind of been designed around it in a way
                                         
                                        that I find really really satisfying yeah I mean it to
                                         
                                        boil it down like now granted you now have to like go out and
                                         
    
                                        collect wood and rocks and various other things like make
                                         
                                        the things that you want you know you have the recipes for
                                         
                                        but by introducing this crafting system it basically removes
                                         
                                        this mechanic which was totally random previously which
                                         
                                        was I'm going to show up in the store and hope they have the
                                         
                                        thing that I really want right maybe I need like a wooden book
                                         
                                        case that and I and I have all the other wooden stuff and now
                                         
                                        I could either make it myself if I know the recipe or I can rely
                                         
    
                                        on other people that have the recipe with multiplayer so it
                                         
                                        like really puts a lot more control I think in players hands
                                         
                                        whereas previously it was RNG which I think that core mechanic
                                         
                                        that core idea of removing a lot of the randomness is the
                                         
                                        whole like main thesis of what they were trying to design for
                                         
                                        with this game and it ties into not only the crafting but
                                         
                                        also just like island creation how you set up everything like
                                         
                                        you really are given like every tool imaginable to make this
                                         
    
                                        game your own. Yeah I think what's surprising to me about
                                         
                                        the game is it is the culmination of a whole bunch of animal
                                         
                                        crossing games I didn't like like it was a happy home designer.
                                         
                                        I think that's all come on no one. No but these are important
                                         
                                        like happy home designer really just focused on all of like
                                         
                                        the design stuff without the actual I would say pleasure and
                                         
                                        cycle of animal crossing there was the mobile game that allowed
                                         
                                        you to do more decoration outdoors sure but the game itself
                                         
    
                                        was not great and now it feels like in hindsight. Oh well I
                                         
                                        didn't like either of those games that experimentation fed
                                         
                                        into this game which now is the core animal crossing loop but
                                         
                                        with just an incredible amount of design features and now the
                                         
                                        entire island is yours to decorate so you can make it a theme
                                         
                                        park or you can make it really a mall you can make it whatever
                                         
                                        you want one question though for Hoops because Griffin said
                                         
                                        island life is a some time food now when I think of Justin
                                         
    
                                        McAvoy the first thing I think is that's a man who likes a
                                         
                                        nice trip to Margaritaville. Yeah I love that island life I
                                         
                                        did build myself a beach house right there on on the beach
                                         
                                        that real estate wasn't taken out by anyone I want to go ahead
                                         
                                        and move there move my beautiful daughter next door she
                                         
                                        lives in a tent she won't go catch any bugs my daughter
                                         
                                        lives in a shameful tent and I'm next door beautiful beautiful
                                         
                                        mansion but daddy leaves her gifts daddy got her a hamster
                                         
    
                                        today left that outside her house got her a fun ring toss
                                         
                                        game that's been a really cool aspect of this is like because
                                         
                                        connection is at a premium right now in our species being
                                         
                                        able to like share things with people visit people virtually
                                         
                                        like go to people's island is like weirdly profound in a way
                                         
                                        that I don't want to over analyze but is like is nice to go
                                         
                                        to someone's island and be like just look around and see
                                         
                                        their stuff and just to speak the design aspects and I know
                                         
    
                                        that this is again part of that culmination but like the
                                         
                                        ability to download designs that people have created and put
                                         
                                        them up that is when I decided that I would care about design
                                         
                                        I've never cared about like decor in an animal crossing
                                         
                                        before I just throw my shit wherever and like what you
                                         
                                        know but as soon as I found that someone had recreated a
                                         
                                        vintage Epcot shirt teaser that I could download I was like
                                         
                                        okay I care very much because I can make a reasonable Simulcra
                                         
    
                                        you come into my bedroom I got pictures of the Magic Kingdom
                                         
                                        I got a Twin Peaks poster up that somebody made I got wallpaper
                                         
                                        from the Haunted Mansion is fantastic the process to do it
                                         
                                        is unbelievably draconian and just absolute madness I was
                                         
                                        trying here's how bad it was you need three devices to do it
                                         
                                        and I was literally trying to like figure out a way to get
                                         
                                        my switch onto the internet so I could like through your
                                         
                                        back door so I could download the thing because my daughter
                                         
    
                                        was using the computer and I needed to take a picture with
                                         
                                        my phone to put it back on QR code it's wild it's wild they
                                         
                                        have made it for what it's worth a lot easier once you get to
                                         
                                        a point later in the game with the there's a store that
                                         
                                        unlocks that makes it a lot easier to share designs for
                                         
                                        what it's worth but oh that's not it's good to know it is
                                         
                                        weird it's a weird animal crossing thing that yeah there's a
                                         
                                        lot of like hey good news you've upgraded and now we've removed
                                         
    
                                        our own bullshit there's a there's a tool ring that you get
                                         
                                        for 800 miles which is like a sort of side currency in the
                                         
                                        game and it lets you press up on the d-pad and get to a tool
                                         
                                        wheel that makes it much easier to select your tools it's
                                         
                                        wild that you it's like a thing that you get and it is equally
                                         
                                        wild that I was so stoked to pay money to unlock this UI thing
                                         
                                        that should have been in there so that was that was pretty
                                         
                                        wild combining two of your points he said a human connection
                                         
    
                                        at a premium and also a typical Nintendo bullshit how much do
                                         
                                        you think we would be complaining about the online issues
                                         
                                        with this game if it were any other time on the planet
                                         
                                        yeah because having to wait for people to join your island
                                         
                                        Griffin can you explain how online works let's explain let's
                                         
                                        explain how online works I have right before the game came
                                         
                                        out I put my switch code up on my my Facebook page because
                                         
                                        I'm mostly just like buds with actual like people I know there
                                         
    
                                        and so I got a bunch of new sort of switch friends of people
                                         
                                        that I know and just kind of know and so I was like yeah
                                         
                                        hell yeah let's go and got Animal Crossing New Horizons went
                                         
                                        to the airport turned it on I was like let's party baby and
                                         
                                        then I went into the in-game friend list and it was empty
                                         
                                        because before you can have somebody in your in-game friend
                                         
                                        list you have to have played with them so just to really
                                         
                                        reiterate that there's no way of sending messages to people
                                         
    
                                        from switch to switch right there's no way to switch you
                                         
                                        know user interface doesn't have a send message to switch
                                         
                                        friends thing so I could text Justin hey idiot open your
                                         
                                        gate so I can come over I could fly to Justin's Island and
                                         
                                        then we could then we would have ourselves on our in-game
                                         
                                        friends list or we can register each other as best friends
                                         
                                        and if you register somebody as best friends you can see
                                         
                                        whenever they come online and you can send messages to them
                                         
    
                                        at any time in the game right now once you can dig up shit on
                                         
                                        their island things and you can be very smooth there you
                                         
                                        assumed that you could just fly to his Island yes he happens
                                         
                                        to be checking his in-game phone at the moment we decide to
                                         
                                        fly to his Island if you're talking to anybody even yeah
                                         
                                        just the process of even if the gate is open and I'm ready
                                         
                                        to fly you have to like okay you have to walk to the airport
                                         
                                        which okay I have to walk to the airport when I want to fly
                                         
    
                                        somewhere there and there's a dodo there who's like hey
                                         
                                        what's up this is like every one of these is a menu with slow
                                         
                                        talking right hey what's going on I thought I'd fly somewhere
                                         
                                        okay you want to fly to Harves Island you want to fly to a
                                         
                                        friend's Island or just some random place a friend's Island
                                         
                                        okay do you want to do that locally or do you want to do
                                         
                                        that online okay online okay if you want to go online I have
                                         
                                        to put the on the Internet is that okay what have you been
                                         
    
                                        doing why have you not been you should be hooking me into
                                         
                                        the Internet all the I'm already on the Internet what do you
                                         
                                        mean is a sheet is really all they need like you could bang
                                         
                                        all these questions out in one go but for whatever reason
                                         
                                        Nintendo loves to just like are you okay is this okay if I do
                                         
                                        this little thing and and the thing is you're up against a
                                         
                                        timer because if your friend switches just like lying there
                                         
                                        so you go over to their partner's Island and sell some
                                         
    
                                        fucking turnips the time the time the clock is ticking okay
                                         
                                        I have to get over there and this dot is like do you want like
                                         
                                        a cushy middle seat or kind of like an aisle on the fake plane
                                         
                                        or do you give a shit about this like teleport me so we
                                         
                                        should contentionalize this we're not going to go into detail
                                         
                                        on like how turnips work because it's very complicated
                                         
                                        suffice it to say all three of the other people on the show
                                         
                                        visited my wife's Island yesterday because her turnip
                                         
    
                                        price is very good so I shared this code and plant 45 minutes
                                         
                                        after I shared the code plant DMs me is like I can't get in
                                         
                                        I'm like my dog you need to be on top of it there's no like
                                         
                                        leaving the switch passive that is not an option you really
                                         
                                        are on the clock the second the code goes in and if you don't
                                         
                                        jump in you're totally I need a pager I was just just for
                                         
                                        animals thing yes I joined a rush of people going to rush
                                         
                                        his wife's Island yeah it was the name of it there was a bunch
                                         
    
                                        of people and what made it bad as she was standing there I've
                                         
                                        met her once in real life but I had to do this like slow walk
                                         
                                        past I did not know the protocol of like hey I'm just here to
                                         
                                        sell turnips you've got a wild price but hey this is such a cool
                                         
                                        Island I'm not going to take a lot of time to stop and look
                                         
                                        around right now but now we're pals so I'll definitely be back
                                         
                                        whenever this really funny that she definitely wasn't looking
                                         
                                        at the screen it was just sitting on the couch so everyone's
                                         
    
                                        having I know that made it worse because she was just standing
                                         
                                        still like well hey Justin this weird hey a friend a visit from
                                         
                                        a friend before that I went to fresh his Island and just
                                         
                                        completely fleeced it of every apple I could find so I could
                                         
                                        finally pay off my mortgage and then I walked over into the
                                         
                                        airport and fresh is just waiting there like passing the
                                         
                                        judgment so I like look at my inventory and the only thing I
                                         
                                        have as a gift is called the mama bear which is a six foot
                                         
    
                                        tall teddy bear with floral print on it and I think that's
                                         
                                        great at its feet I thought about wild power plays you can go
                                         
                                        to your friend's Island shake their tree take their fruit
                                         
                                        that's that's delightful and irritating I have no idea the
                                         
                                        etiquette by the way unlike every island has like one of five
                                         
                                        different fruits so if you try to sell your local fruit at a
                                         
                                        different Island you get better money for it or if you take
                                         
                                        someone's foreign fruit back to your Island and grow it then
                                         
    
                                        you can sell it on your Island for a pretty penny so it makes
                                         
                                        sense to get people's fruit and then grow it on your Island I
                                         
                                        don't know what the protocol is for taking things I do know that
                                         
                                        it is bad form to Animal Crossing makes it possible to eat a
                                         
                                        fruit get super strong for a second and just dig up a whole
                                         
                                        tree and put it in your pocket that I'm sure is that is not
                                         
                                        accepted fairly certain I think that the coolest thing about
                                         
                                        the multiplayer and this goes back to like this this this
                                         
    
                                        moment this like strange comfort zeitgeist that we are all in
                                         
                                        with this game right now I am I'm like switch friends with a
                                         
                                        lot of people who I don't know like all that well like other
                                         
                                        games industry people and like other folks I follow on Twitter
                                         
                                        but that I'm not like I'm not actual real life I've never
                                         
                                        met in real life and one of this like sort of bad things about
                                         
                                        the online in this game is like if you want to go to a friend's
                                         
                                        Island you go to the dodo and say hey I want to go to friends
                                         
    
                                        Island and then if somebody has their gates open it'll say
                                         
                                        like okay well it looks like Fern Gill is open that's the name
                                         
                                        of the island not the name of an actual friend it's like you
                                         
                                        have to know what your friends Island is named if you want to
                                         
                                        fly to the right Island or like some nights when I don't really
                                         
                                        have much else to do I will just go to the airport and see
                                         
                                        what's open and fly there and it'll be one of these people that
                                         
                                        I don't actually know very well and we are all play like we
                                         
    
                                        are both playing Animal Crossing we're both playing it for the
                                         
                                        same reason and we are both sort of going through the same like
                                         
                                        shit right now and both sort of escaping that shit with with
                                         
                                        the same sort of game and it is this like really profound like
                                         
                                        rainbow connection thing that is at a scale I had 20 people
                                         
                                        online playing this game last night I had 20 friends like
                                         
                                        20 switch friends all playing Animal Crossing and I have
                                         
                                        never seen a game launch like that in my life like I've never
                                         
    
                                        seen a game launch with that many people I know that many
                                         
                                        like online friends all doing the same thing for the for the
                                         
                                        same reason and it is it has been genuinely like helpful for
                                         
                                        my like mental well-being during all this it is also it's
                                         
                                        worth noting that this thing is going to be a mammoth mammoth
                                         
                                        hit some of the some of the early information coming out
                                         
                                        today is that Animal Crossing is going to do 2.5 million units
                                         
                                        in Japan alone in its first three days which makes it the
                                         
    
                                        biggest switch game ever right surpassing like the Zelda and
                                         
                                        Zelda and Pokemon and smash and all I mean like everything
                                         
                                        bigger yes but yeah smash like all of it bigger than all of
                                         
                                        it and that's that's in Japan alone 2.5 million copies like
                                         
                                        yeah it's going to be I mean I know people are just buying
                                         
                                        switches just because they heard about this and they need an
                                         
                                        outlet I just I want to mention so it's recording this on
                                         
                                        March 25th I started playing on February 28th because I was
                                         
    
                                        reviewing it for Polygon so I got a code early which we've
                                         
                                        discussed in the podcast Griffin was very upset about it and
                                         
                                        it should be noted that like there's an element when you
                                         
                                        start playing this game when you are wake up and you're like
                                         
                                        oh I'm excited to see what the next day has for me maybe a
                                         
                                        new villager shows up maybe you upgraded a building maybe
                                         
                                        there's a museum whatever so I'm almost for a full 30 days at
                                         
                                        this point into the game and every single one of those 30
                                         
    
                                        days ice have still maintained that excitement now granted
                                         
                                        it's not always hey I'm gonna get a new building a lot of the
                                         
                                        major major upgrades happen in the first let's say 2 weeks of
                                         
                                        the game but even after that I'm excited like oh my fruit is
                                         
                                        coming in today I'm gonna harvest it and get a bunch of
                                         
                                        money oh I've been trying to like move my rocks around so
                                         
                                        every so I can get all the rocks and like a little clump
                                         
                                        I wonder where the new rock is I'm collecting fossils every
                                         
    
                                        day like it literally has this element of here's a little like
                                         
                                        drip feed excitement moment for you each day and it's not a lot
                                         
                                        like you know argument the argument is basically maybe
                                         
                                        there's an hour's worth of gameplay a day that hasn't
                                         
                                        stopped me from playing six hours or whatever it well you
                                         
                                        know let's talk about actually the other day told me they
                                         
                                        looked at my profile and it said 140 hours I was like
                                         
                                        I had no idea I if someone were to ask me I would have said
                                         
    
                                        maybe 50 maybe yeah well and it just like every single day
                                         
                                        becomes like this is the thing and it's it's like a release
                                         
                                        it's like a total I'm removed from reality release which I
                                         
                                        realized can be a little unhealthy but you know what
                                         
                                        it's kind of what's healthy is your great wall of bugs that
                                         
                                        you have built Russ tell me about the wall of bugs rush
                                         
                                        or so so last night I tweeted a video about a wall of bugs
                                         
                                        now for some of you might know that there's a vendor that
                                         
    
                                        occasionally shows up in your town that buys bugs at a 20%
                                         
                                        premium there are bugs in the game that are worth a whole
                                         
                                        bunch of money but I also ran out of storage space in my
                                         
                                        house so I was like maybe I'll just stack them on the beach
                                         
                                        until the guy shows up you couldn't do that in previous
                                         
                                        Animal Crossing games because you couldn't put furniture out
                                         
                                        so now I just have 46 containers of the same Emperor
                                         
                                        butterfly just chilling on a long wall of bugs and I'm just
                                         
    
                                        waiting for this guy to show up and it's only growing last
                                         
                                        night I collected 38 tarantulas on a random not island that I
                                         
                                        visited they're getting added to the wall of bugs it's just
                                         
                                        going to be all the bugs from now on imagine going to Russ's
                                         
                                        Island like hey welcome we got a lot of cool trees and over
                                         
                                        here is my wall of bugs you want to produce it I should
                                         
                                        mention I work with someone who is definitely deathly afraid
                                         
                                        of spiders and I have a deep-seated fear that she's going
                                         
    
                                        to show up one day and not tell me and walk over there and
                                         
                                        have a total fucking meltdown yeah yeah it's wild is anybody
                                         
                                        having heavy final final thoughts I have one more question
                                         
                                        that's specifically for Griffin because I don't know how
                                         
                                        music works I'd like to know how music works the music in this
                                         
                                        game is is a cure for me it brings me so much joy and I
                                         
                                        don't know how it works because it should be repetitive like
                                         
                                        it's not like some you know massive collection music it's
                                         
    
                                        kind of the same thing over and over and over again it's a
                                         
                                        massive collection of music they have new I mean if it's like
                                         
                                        other animal crossing games I haven't really dove in but the
                                         
                                        the most recent couple animal crossing games there's new
                                         
                                        themes for every hour yeah and then variations on those
                                         
                                        themes based on the weather so like there's a rainy 5pm theme
                                         
                                        right you have to actually I should mention you have to
                                         
                                        unlock that that's something that comes along like a little
                                         
    
                                        later yeah of course so the music that you're hearing right
                                         
                                        now plant is something that will get more complex as you
                                         
                                        play okay well it reminds me of like those low-fi chill study
                                         
                                        haul YouTube videos yeah like a monastic chant where it's just
                                         
                                        repeating the same thing over and over and that like lulls me
                                         
                                        into a state of tranquility and I'm I'm curious one how how
                                         
                                        does this get made the only other comparison I could think of
                                         
                                        as tiny wings on iOS where I like that I don't remember that
                                         
    
                                        game but like I could just listen to that tune forever and it
                                         
                                        would bring me well I mean to be to do like a more sort of
                                         
                                        mainstream example of that like the Minecraft music is yeah
                                         
                                        that too like the extreme of just like extremely extremely
                                         
                                        thematic listenable music to underscore like a you know
                                         
                                        simulation based experience like that it's obviously two
                                         
                                        different sort of musical schools that they are composing
                                         
                                        from but it is I think the same the same idea and serving the
                                         
    
                                        same purpose yeah it's music to work to essentially and and
                                         
                                        I should mention if you're a fan but you are also working at
                                         
                                        this time there's a Chrome app that you can install called
                                         
                                        Animal Crossing music that actually will play different
                                         
                                        hourly music depending on the day and weather in your life
                                         
                                        yeah present which is spectacular I am going to be curious
                                         
                                        I'm not curiosity is not the right word I feel pretty confident
                                         
                                        and this goes back to like Justin's thesis that you know a
                                         
    
                                        year from now five years from now like we're going to look back
                                         
                                        on Animal Crossing New Horizons with a like a feeling about
                                         
                                        it that I don't know okay I'll speak personally I will look
                                         
                                        back at New Horizons with a feeling that like I don't know
                                         
                                        that I have about any other game and I've been playing games
                                         
                                        my whole life and I'm certainly nostalgic about a lot of them
                                         
                                        and a lot of them have filled like important needs in my life
                                         
                                        or like you know important social needs in my life especially
                                         
    
                                        once like online games became a thing but everybody is doing
                                         
                                        that with New Horizons and I genuinely do think it's going to
                                         
                                        be a very sort of special game in the pantheon of all games
                                         
                                        ever made just because of what is what it is doing for us
                                         
                                        right now it is bizarre yeah so we're going to take a break
                                         
                                        and then we'll be right back with even more great content on
                                         
                                        our show there is a lot you can capture in your of your day
                                         
                                        to day existence in Animal Crossing but there's some parts
                                         
    
                                        of your day to day life that aren't modeled and I wanted to
                                         
                                        talk to you guys about what what bits of your life do you wish
                                         
                                        you could include in in your Animal Crossing experience I
                                         
                                        think my biggest problem with Animal Crossing New Horizons
                                         
                                        isn't the online multiplayer hurdles isn't the fact that
                                         
                                        the tools break after you use them half of one time it's
                                         
                                        that there's really just one bag of medicine and you get hit
                                         
                                        by a wasp in your eyeball every time the wasps are like we
                                         
    
                                        know we know which eyeball we like that one and we're going
                                         
                                        to get it and then you have to go eat a bag of medicine which
                                         
                                        isn't like Timmy and Tommy aren't licensed pharmacists so we
                                         
                                        can start there and you can also make it yourself with a wasp's
                                         
                                        nest and 10 clumps of weeds that I guess you just to quamp
                                         
                                        down in a mortar and pestle and then eat that instead like the
                                         
                                        hair of the dog situation is it yeah it's a yeah so I think
                                         
                                        it would be nice to just like get some more kinds of medicine
                                         
    
                                        in there like say I eat a particularly spicy peach and then
                                         
                                        I do need to get some emotium from the store and maybe that
                                         
                                        can maybe that can be like 10 clumps of weeds and a spicy
                                         
                                        peach and then that will fix my my stomach issues or if I'm
                                         
                                        feeling kind of you know anxious or depressed 10 clumps of weeds
                                         
                                        and I don't know a plan or something and then you know I
                                         
                                        make a little I make some Animal Crossing Zoloft or something
                                         
                                        like that that would be a welcome addition Griffin what is
                                         
    
                                        wrong with it's a it's a panacea right that's what they call
                                         
                                        these medicines that cure literally everything on the
                                         
                                        planet yeah and it seems like they Timmy and Tommy have found
                                         
                                        this because I found a very depressed villager and who was
                                         
                                        like I'm feeling kind of out of it you have any medicine and
                                         
                                        bam medicine did the trick I have not found a moment in Animal
                                         
                                        Crossing where medicine has not done the trick it's generic
                                         
                                        medicine sure but it's it's it's working man it did that
                                         
    
                                        villager have a wasp sting on their own well then that was
                                         
                                        irresponsible. Practitioning that you worked out okay all right
                                         
                                        Justin what would you want in the game from your day to day
                                         
                                        life I just want to be able to use the bathroom you can here's
                                         
                                        the problem I have though today I walked into the nooks cranny
                                         
                                        the store and they had a large standing toilet and I was like
                                         
                                        wait the toilet is standing or is supposed to use it while
                                         
                                        standing now it's like a big like floor floor length urinal
                                         
    
                                        got it okay you know what I mean and I was I looked at it
                                         
                                        was like absolutely I would that is hilarious I want to put
                                         
                                        one in the middle of my house that's too good so I bought it
                                         
                                        I took it home and realized like I can't use the bathroom in
                                         
                                        this game what is this in the context of my experience does
                                         
                                        it make sense to set up a bathroom in a game I would love
                                         
                                        to have a bathroom does it make sense to set up a bathroom in
                                         
                                        a game where you can't use the bathroom no great news right
                                         
    
                                        great news Justin you can use the bathroom in this game how do
                                         
                                        you guys not know about this no Russ you don't know about this
                                         
                                        this is not a game for a month and I still don't know okay so
                                         
                                        here's the thing day one I eat a bunch of fruit and get so
                                         
                                        strong that I break all the rocks on my island which sucks
                                         
                                        because now like I can't get the iron nuggets and valuable
                                         
                                        resources I'm saying like man this is kind of a bummer I wish
                                         
                                        there was a way instead of going around and digging up trees
                                         
    
                                        to like get rid of my my fruit power shut and then it has come
                                         
                                        out that if you sit on a toilet with fruit meter it will go
                                         
                                        away the fruit meter will slowly deplete and then it says
                                         
                                        well that's well that's all there is to that well done with
                                         
                                        that so you can poop your fruit power out so Justin your wish
                                         
                                        is granted next one great moving on this is the best game ever
                                         
                                        I I want to own or not own take care of a puppy like I do in
                                         
                                        real life I love my dog but the problem that I realize is the
                                         
    
                                        animals are the people that's an island of Dr. Moreau type
                                         
                                        of yeah so like what would I do if I had a puppy would they
                                         
                                        be like you have captured one of us to let him leave your
                                         
                                        house yeah that's I I I've not thought about that I have from
                                         
                                        balloon drops I have a little kitty corner in my room where
                                         
                                        I have a cat tower and a litter box one of these days a cat
                                         
                                        villager is going to come into my house and be like yo I love
                                         
                                        this corner but I like what you've done here do you have that
                                         
    
                                        and not a cat I mean yeah I don't have a cat there's no little
                                         
                                        you're an so you're just an absolute like you got a grip
                                         
                                        it sounds like what's that for like I don't know I haven't tried
                                         
                                        to dump my cherry power in the litter box yet I don't know if
                                         
                                        that's a possibility it also sort of begs the question about
                                         
                                        the fish like you can catch 80 different kinds of fish and
                                         
                                        then place them in a tank that is exactly the size of the fish
                                         
                                        like maybe they have an inch on either side right so if these
                                         
    
                                        fish are sentient and on the same level maybe they have like
                                         
                                        an undersea version of your animal crossing village it's a
                                         
                                        goofy Pluto scenario right like we have to imagine that's how
                                         
                                        this world works that there are Goofy is in the Pluto's that
                                         
                                        the goofy is the sentient dog Pluto is the like right but
                                         
                                        what is the dividing line like how do you make that like are
                                         
                                        they chosen from childhood to become like I think I know
                                         
                                        society right like fish are just entirely different there's
                                         
    
                                        animals and then there are fish and bugs I considered this
                                         
                                        philosophical question on a stream and decided that it's
                                         
                                        thick legs if you have thick if you have thick legs you get to
                                         
                                        be you get to wear shirts and live in houses like the rest of
                                         
                                        us and be large if you have no legs or skinny weird segmented
                                         
                                        legs I'm sorry but here's a small box you can live in or this
                                         
                                        big dope museum those are your options. I know Chris Plante
                                         
                                        and Griffin want to take care of sweet little animals all I
                                         
    
                                        want to do is fend off animals that keep encroaching now in my
                                         
                                        real life I've talked a little bit in the past I have a pigeon
                                         
                                        problem on my balcony now right now my balcony is a true
                                         
                                        respite from the horrors of having to be stuck inside so I
                                         
                                        really want to be out on my balcony the pigeons know that
                                         
                                        and they internalize it and they camp out and all I want to
                                         
                                        do with an animal crossing is create a similar level of
                                         
                                        defenses to ensure that no such critters like centipedes and
                                         
    
                                        shit like that that I don't want anywhere near my house have
                                         
                                        no chance of approaching it has not happened yet I've tried
                                         
                                        building walls they cut through the walls I've tried I found
                                         
                                        some iron bars they cut through that there's nothing I can do
                                         
                                        you've already stumbled on the answer what the bug wall bug
                                         
                                        wall you create a bug wall as a warning if both it both is a
                                         
                                        you know it a barrier but also a signal if you come past the
                                         
                                        bug wall you get put into the bug wall absolutely off my
                                         
    
                                        you will go into this wall no question genius I love it you
                                         
                                        guys been playing anything else of course not no I mean yeah
                                         
                                        I'm feeling the same I I couldn't even finish Griffin did I get
                                         
                                        to tell you about murder by no Amanda turn me on to it on on
                                         
                                        the joco cruise but I was very fascinated by it but I did not
                                         
                                        dip in we talked about it last week when Griffin was we did
                                         
                                        talk about last week but I'll catch you up it's a it's a
                                         
                                        pit cross I never mind it's a pit cross murder I started
                                         
    
                                        playing this game called near automata I mean I think a few of
                                         
                                        us have been a few of us have been playing Half-Life Alex
                                         
                                        which yeah we're I think we're going to talk about it next
                                         
                                        week yes next week episode if people are excited about that
                                         
                                        I'm very excited to try it I haven't tried oh and an Ori
                                         
                                        will of the West I finally got past that that first hour which
                                         
                                        is a real pain as I wind about last week and I apologize for
                                         
                                        being a real whiny baby who has played oh I guess you guys I
                                         
    
                                        I was not on the doom episode last week did you do an extended
                                         
                                        Ori bit not a little bit about how the beginning is a little
                                         
                                        rough but then it's really good he doesn't like emotions I
                                         
                                        really liked it I mean I I think I've played about the same
                                         
                                        amount I streamed about like an hour and a half of it or so
                                         
                                        and I'm into it I feel like it it starts off with kind of a
                                         
                                        bang in a way that I'm a fan of I did not realize they
                                         
                                        re-released Saints Row four on switch last week yeah I think
                                         
    
                                        the port is terrible no um I mean have you tried it no I've
                                         
                                        not tried it if it's on the level of Saints Row three like
                                         
                                        Saints Row three for switch wasn't like amazing but it was
                                         
                                        totally playable and I like Saints Row four a lot more than I
                                         
                                        like Saints Row three um I think Personas out next week
                                         
                                        yeah we won't be buying that too much reading it's very good
                                         
                                        do you have a good it's very good oh dang oh beans is there
                                         
                                        anything else I feel like there's like infinite things but but
                                         
    
                                        you know we'll we'll be diving into these over the next few
                                         
                                        weeks and months there's there's yeah it's extremely busy right now in the
                                         
                                        world of video games yeah it's just yeah good
                                         
                                        do we have time to do some reader yeah we can sneak in some reader
                                         
                                        for their ask people for their thoughts uh I would say it's
                                         
                                        like it's so looking over the emails we got a ton of them
                                         
                                        about Animal Crossing and it's just like very positive it's like
                                         
                                        an outpouring of flow I'll give you a couple Kate said my
                                         
    
                                        sibling I had a very troubled childhood but playing Animal
                                         
                                        Crossing on GameCube was a crucial escape for us getting to
                                         
                                        build a kind colorful and overall charming community together
                                         
                                        provided a comfort we didn't have otherwise so it's fitting
                                         
                                        this new Animal Crossing ended our lives at the time we
                                         
                                        desperately needed it just as before that's from Kate Anna
                                         
                                        said A and C and H has been the absolute highlight of the past
                                         
                                        few weeks for me yesterday I visited my boyfriend we've all
                                         
    
                                        been quarantined separately for a week and his 11 year old son
                                         
                                        got really into watching me play AC so he brought the game for
                                         
                                        himself and my boyfriend son just visited my island for the
                                         
                                        first time and he was so proud of his custom design for his
                                         
                                        little shirt he made so my friends complimented him on it and
                                         
                                        it was just so pure and sweet uh we're gonna be locking down
                                         
                                        completely soon so I won't be able to see my boyfriend or son
                                         
                                        for a while but we can still visit each other's islands and I
                                         
    
                                        can show my love for them by giving them apples and other
                                         
                                        presents this is from at Lars on Twitter I pretended to be sick
                                         
                                        for a week to get off school just so I could make sure that
                                         
                                        frobert the frog wouldn't leave me I sent him so many love
                                         
                                        letters it was heartbroken that I he didn't recognize me in
                                         
                                        another town um that was Sprocket is in two of my
                                         
                                        friend's towns he was my og villager and every time I see
                                         
                                        sprocket he's like oh hi I'm sprocket I'm like I grab him by
                                         
    
                                        the face each time I'm like sprocket I know it's me sprocket
                                         
                                        it's like a metaverse situation it's terrifying uh from at bite
                                         
                                        shark yum I got the ladder in New Horizons before my brother so
                                         
                                        when I went to visit his weed-free town I climbed up to the
                                         
                                        second level which still had weeds and picked him a bunch of
                                         
                                        them then replanted them right in front of his house
                                         
                                        happened by and proceeded to hit me with an axe
                                         
                                        that's very funny I will admit I did uh take the opportunity to
                                         
    
                                        visit a lot of newbie towns take my ladder climb up uh to the
                                         
                                        upper level and steal any fossils that were up on the
                                         
                                        upper levels that newbies couldn't actually access
                                         
                                        even that's pretty great yeah abby emailed about and it's
                                         
                                        I mainly want to read it to write us to talk about like one of the
                                         
                                        best parts of the game the museum is obviously gorgeous and I
                                         
                                        adore everything about it but what is up with the part of the
                                         
                                        fossil exhibit with all the animal silhouettes and then
                                         
    
                                        just a blank space that shines a light on you oh yeah I can
                                         
                                        talk to that I actually wrote a little story about that um so
                                         
                                        the museum specifically the fossil part of the museum and
                                         
                                        Animal Crossing the new one is all about evolution so it you
                                         
                                        walk into this uh first opening room and there's like a
                                         
                                        single cell on the ground effectively and from that cell
                                         
                                        are lines and if you follow the lines you can actually see
                                         
                                        the progression of species as they evolve through time
                                         
    
                                        so eventually when you get to the final room there's like a
                                         
                                        giant sabertooth tiger skeleton and above that there's a
                                         
                                        line leading up to a normal like cat silhouette showing that
                                         
                                        this is the final evolution of cats essentially and the blank
                                         
                                        space right below it is a human skull because you evolved from
                                         
                                        this uh early human skull uh and you're supposed to stand
                                         
                                        there and a light shines on you I just want to correct you
                                         
                                        Russ you said the final evolution cats you mean the
                                         
    
                                        current evolution of cats that's we all know like year 30,000
                                         
                                        cats too is gonna be off the for the final evolution are you
                                         
                                        telling me there's a chance I will at one point dig my
                                         
                                        beautiful cartoon shovel on the ground and come up with a
                                         
                                        fucking human skull uh it's actually a australopithecus I
                                         
                                        believe so it's like a caveman situation but yes got it
                                         
                                        fantastic but he did have dreams and hopes and wishes and
                                         
                                        was capable of love I wonder what I wonder what happened to
                                         
    
                                        oh wait I've just been bitten by 35 different spiders so I bet
                                         
                                        I know uh sorry I I'm checking the notes and uh quick fact check
                                         
                                        the final evolution of cats is meowth meowth
                                         
                                        oh okay good good clear that I mean technically version is the
                                         
                                        final evolution of meowth so nice Chris nice joke maybe think
                                         
                                        about it next time before you make a joke
                                         
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