My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 111 - Figure It Out Kevin

Episode Date: March 8, 2018

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We at Wondery live, breathe and downright obsess over true crime and now we're launching the ultimate true crime fan experience, Exhibit C. Join now by following Wondery, Exhibit C on Facebook and listen to true crime on Wondery and Amazon Music, Exhibit C. It's truly criminal. Hello. Hi. And welcome to my favorite murder. The podcast, your weekly true crime podcast hosted by Karen Kilgara and Georgia Hard Stark. And that's us. And there's Stephen over there on the ones and twos. Making it even. Happening her. What were you going to say? He's making it happening her. He's making it happening and making it happening her. Because he took an improv class and knows how to heighten.

He yes anded. He yes anded our eternal improv that is this podcast. That's exactly what I was going to say. And. And. Yes. And that's, that's correct. The hanging and. Hey, how are you? I'm good. Yeah. I feel like a lot of bits, a lot of actually relevant things have happened since we last recorded. Yeah. For us to catch up on. Yeah. Cause we, yeah. Cause last week we put up a live episode. So we, when we missed that week, we missed the talking. Yeah. So we have to talk about the Oscars, for example. What? A monologue. Well, no, the one, the thing I was going to say, which I'm excited to talk about is the four part ID channel series called the Golden State Killer. It is not over. Yes. I thought you was like, it's not over. Oh,

that's the full title. Yes. Every time that title card would come up, I'd be like, it's okay. We get it. It's not over. Yeah. So the Golden State Killer now is on the fucking tip of everyone's lips. That's right. Because Michelle McNamara's book came out. Yeah. And I'll Be Gone in the Dark, which I've been listening to obsessively. Yep. Almost done. And I like don't want to finish it. So I'm listening to other shit. So I don't have to, you know. Yeah. So it won't be over. Yeah. Yeah. Cause it's not over. No, I know. It's not. It's correct. It's not over. You know, what's funny is I, so Pat Nozwald, who is Michelle's husband, um, sent us copies of the book so that we could have it because he knows, but I forgot

that I had preordered it long, long ago. Right. So I had two copies. I was holding yours because he sent them both to my house. Then a couple days later, I got a third. So now me, you and Steven all have copies of Michelle's book. But the cool news is that Patton just sent me a picture today of the New York Times, um, book review bestsellers list. And Michelle is number one on the nonfiction list. Yes. Yeah. She's number one. And it's so cool. Like it's so as a person who followed her from crime diary. Yeah. And I used to just pour over that thing. I remember the post that she wrote when she talked about how Euron's original night stalker, that it was too confusing and it needed a better title. And she, it was her idea to call him the golden state killer,

which is so like forward thinking in a way that's like, you know, this needs to be, and people need to know what this is because there's all these victims who are not getting the attention that they deserve to have their case solved. So if we give it a better name, people will pay attention to it more. Exactly. Right. She's so smart. It's not something I would ever have thought of, you know, of, you know, that that's important and why. Yeah. She was, she was very masterful and the whole, her whole approach to it was so good. She got cops to start talking to each other, to share information. It's, it's very cool story. And I'm sure most of the people listening to this are either reading it right now or listening to it right now in some way. I'm sure that has a lot

to do with that, those numbers on the list. So good job, you guys. I'm so excited and thrilled that she gets that kind of remembrance and also that it gets that level of exposure. But you know what I was going to say is that ID channel, I was actually looking because it's produced so well and it's a company called sirens productions, which makes me think it's the ladies, but they have survivors. They have victims of the golden state killer when he was the East area rapist in Sacramento and some people from down here. But I'm thinking of those first, when the first couple of his like original victims were talking, I got really nervous that it was like, how is this going to get handled? Right. And they were the, it was just that thing of like

people who had been through the strong, the victims on that were interviewed here and like the victims, family members were interviewed as well, are strong, fucking resilient people. It's that are just there to be like, we want this solved. We want anybody who knows anything. And we, because it's, it's really frustrating. And like, I'm knee deep in there right now from watching that and from listening to the book. And, and of course, after, you know, I listen, I go on Reddit and I read all the message boards and I read all the theories. And so I'm kind of in that phase of like being inside of this insane case. And it's really frustrating and angering because it doesn't make any fucking sense that it hasn't been solved, that he hasn't been found. It doesn't

make any sense. Except for the fact that it was the seventies in the beginning. And then he did the classic thing that, that every time it's like, when you switch cities or change jurisdictions, but as soon as, as soon as they found that out, they should, there should be, there is enough evidence. And I can, I'm saying this for like the cops too, there must be so frustrated with this is like to piece those then together and be like, okay, this is the suspect we thought it was. And now we can match him up because he was an Irvine too. And it almost would make it more solvable now, but it's not. Well, yes, because it doesn't, there's, it's not like there is a database. It's that thing where when you try to look anything up from before 1990,

there's nothing there because it was all paper or it was documented in some other way. Like that was the, I loved the fact that they had the detect, the female detective who worked on it in the seventies, who was the woman who was speaking. She, I was telling Georgia this, she was speaking at that very infamous, um, this, the town hall meeting where a man stood up said, I don't understand this is impossible that anybody could, um, if there's a man in the house that anybody would, that their wife would be attacked, blah, blah, blah. And then like a month later, that family was attacked, just horrifying. And, and they know then that that meant he was there and he was this really high level predator, but she, this detective in this meeting is telling the women in the room,

she literally says the words, don't be polite, attack him and try to injure him. If you, if you can at all, if you get the upper hand in any way, try to injure him. And what, hearing a woman in 1977 go, don't be polite to people. She says like we've been raised to be polite and to be, and don't do that and blah, but yeah, it's incredible. And to, to this day, she's a sharpest attack. She looks amazing. She's like right there and she's, everything she'd said was just so, um, you know, it was very, it was all about, we need this salute. We need the families that have gone through so much that are still living with this weird fear because nothing was resolved that they need that resolution. It's just the whole, the whole story I'm like kind of obsessed with and gives me the creeps.

And I think for you and I, it being in California and northern for you and southern for me and these in our neighborhoods that we're from and kind of, I think what's so freaky is that he, he went to these planned communities that were, uh, you know, family communities and just terrorize them like houses next, almost next door houses. Yes. Attacking and raping women inside of them. It's just the whole story is a nightmare and the planning. Yeah. Like the, that it wasn't, and the, he's weird. There's something wrong with him. Yes. Like not just obviously a rapist or something wrong with him, but the stuff that he takes eating and hanging out and he's like a, he's got some, there's, you can tell there's some narrative in his head.

And what's, okay. And also, can we just talk for one second about how, what are the odds that you have a story and a, and a case that's this insane and compelling and years long. And then one of the lead investigators is just a simply beautiful TV ready detective, doctor or detective holes. Every time he spoke, I was like, your teeth are perfectly white. Oh my God. He looked like Robocop. Yes. He looked, he, you know, he looked like his, um, hunter. Remember that old 80s TV show, Hunter? Oh no. Where the guy, they literally had the FCC came and said, you have to wear underwear. You never heard about that? No. Hunter. My mom must have kept it from me. She was like, go to bed. Mommy's going to watch Hunter. Well, you know what I keep doing in my obsessiveness

is like who, okay, who did my mom date at that time? Because he was in Irvine in 1986. So I was six years old. So I'm like, who did my mom date anyone at that time? Is that who the murderer is? Like, it's so scary. So scary. Um, but yeah, it's, it's just like, it's, it blows my mind. It's, it's, it has to get solved. I know. And it's going to be really exciting when it does, but also bittersweet from Michelle and like listening to the book every time they say, or every time in the book it says like the next chapter is accumulated from her notes. Yeah. It just hurts me in the heart every time I see that or hear that. Yeah. Cause it's just, and then the obsession and I kind of, it reminded me a lot of that

obsession that I used to have at a desk job when I would just sit and read blogs like that and stories like that, which weren't written in that way. Then they were kind of just like stories you had to kind of put together based on, you know, Reddit and stuff like that. Yeah. Cause her writing is so, it's true crime written gorgeously. Yeah. So like when I used to read that blog, you would just read these stories and like, I have all these stories stuck in my head, not because, oh, it's, uh, it's because she wrote it almost first person in this way. Like she got so into what was happening in this person's life and then they disappeared and it's just, she really got what it's like to be obsessed with true,

to be a person who can't sleep and just is obsessed with true crime and obsessed with a case or cases or anything. It definitely feels like what people have said to us, which is like, you've made it, you made me not seem like, feel like a weirdo because of it. It feels like I'm not a creep for liking, for being this obsessed with true crime to the point where I can't sleep at night. Well, because it's these questions that it's the worst case scenario, something happening, and then just unanswered questions. So it's what, what are the events leading up to this? How did it happen? Why did it happen? Like those are things that it's better than a TV show or something like that. It's like, it, I don't mean better. It's more interesting and engaging and

kind of like, this is a fellow human being that just disappeared off the face of the earth. And sorry, and it's like, and this and that, but the way she makes, the way she tells the story of the victim and tells you who they are, you know, before what happens to them happens is it gives it such a more vivid and such a fuller picture, a picture of how horrible it was to be, to live in that time, to be a victim, to live in that neighborhood at the time, to be scared. I had no clue. I couldn't picture it until she kind of explained it. Right? Yeah. Yeah. She'd like, that book starts off with like her, like how it's first started for her. And it was because there was a murder in her town. It's fascinating. That murder was fucked up too. Oh my god. I can't

like start reading it again, which I'm going to. Yeah, it's very, it's, it's just a, it's bittersweet. It's, but it's also cool that it's out there and it's going to be very, very interesting to see. And that her name will forever be, you know, when they do catch this guy, her name will, because they're going to, there's no way it's not going to happen, but her name will always be connected to this case that obsessed her. Yes. Which is. And what I also think is cool and that special is how they really featured the, what were they calling in them, the like, the basically the people that were trying to solve it online. Oh, citizen sleuths. Citizen sleuths. Armchair sleuths for citizen sleuths. I think I said it, which we laughed every time they said it.

Yeah, but it sounds so stupid, but I, it's true. I get it. And when you like on the surface, but those guys put taking, I mean, digging into this research, talk about like, yeah, like doing the, the hardest work of all, which is just like, we went through records. This is the company that was building houses at this time. Yeah. Like all, they're taking the police evidence and matching it to records and then going like that. I think, I mean, it's amazing. And I think all of that combined, the fact that there isn't some fucking woman coming forward being like, yeah, so my step brother was a creep back then and you might want to look into him. Right. I lived in Sacramento, our grandma lived in fucking Goleta and you need to look into him. Like, how is that not happened

yet? I don't know. Or maybe it's people who don't either some, I don't know. It makes me think of like, someone has a hunch that it's their, whatever, but they don't, maybe they don't want to face it or they don't want it to be real. Well, I said to Vince, when we were talking about this kind of thing, I was like, and then we were talking about how Ted Kaczynski's brother is the one who fucking was like, you need to look into my brother and how hard that must have been. And I was like, would you turn in your brother if you found out something was going on? He was like, absolutely. I would in a fucking heartbeat. Like it's people like us that were like, yes, I'd be so stoked to be like, look at Asher, he fucking did it. Not because I wanted my brother

to be a murderer, but because it's like, you can't do that. It's not okay. But then I was like, well, what if you thought suspecting something about me? And he was like, oh, well, we'd have to have a long talk. Like, I don't know what that means. You get one final breakfast. Right. We talk it over for breakfast. I would like her to say you get one murder. That's it. You know, and in this relationship, I'll give you one freebie. It's the murder hall pass. No, yeah, anyway, it's just kind of, it's just so strange and it's all kind of coming to the fore now. But it's also good. Only happy note that this is an email that Steven found for us that just pulled for us. Karen, Georgia, Steven and assorted pets. First off, your Columbus, Ohio show is

great. I just wanted to let you know that my husband greatly appreciated your huge shout out for his website, www.pumpkinshow.com. I think you're mentioned just increased the show's foot traffic for this year. Oh my God. The Colombarinos are expecting the Colombarino are expecting to have a meetup at the show. Oh my God. The pumpkin show. Yes. I love it. That is okay. My husband is a native circle native of Circleville. And he's been involved with the pumpkin show since the late nineties and has done their website since then. He even purchased a domain when no one even knew what a domain name was. He is also the photographer of the giant pumpkins in your slide and most of the pictures on the site. We were cracking up the whole time as circleville is

serious about their pumpkins. It is the oldest and largest show of its kind in the country and maybe the world. Thanks again for the shout out on the show. Safe travels around the globe ladies. Oh my God. Like going to the pumpkin show. Yeah. Right. Maybe the me and Kevin. That's Kevin's the webmaster for pump. www.pumpkinshow.com. Oh my God. That's amazing. So funny. I love the reach is just far reaching. I mean, here's the thing. In our experiences, when you go onto a website, it's a high quality website. You give credit because that credit is due. How many websites are there out there? It was just sitting out there. Excellently unknown waiting to grab waiting to be seen and talked about. Yeah. And you know, we did it and you did it. We did it. We

all did it. We did it together. You guys. Now we start the podcast. That's all about life that we wanted to start originally. Remember when we talked about it? Yeah. About pumpkins, pumpkins and life. It's basically a podcast where we figure out a way to sue Kevin for www.pumpkinshow.com and we take ownership called squad gourds. If we could get a hacker to please hack the pumpkin show website. Oh, I'm kidding. No, don't do it. Stop that hacker. This hacker's like her hands are like over the keyboard about to be like, do whatever the fuck they do on movies. She's got, yeah, she's got fingerless gloves and she's got numbers, numbers, numbers, numbers in her head. She's drinking coffee, doing lines. Yeah. Just like hacking. And we're like, wait, Melissa,

hold it. Don't do that. What's her hacker name? It's, um, Melissa eight. Melissa eight. Hack your hack. You are, you are life. It's dark web, Melissa dark web, Lisa, Lisa in the dark. Yep. Liza with a Z. Liza. Yeah. And that's it. That whole thing was her name. What we just dot.com. Dot.net. Yeah. What are hackers really like? Let us know if you're a hacker. They're the people who, when you're at the coffee shop and they have a full computer there and they're using eight outlets. Those are them. They're not cool. They're always, it's always hackers always work in cafes. Wait, I don't want to insult any hackers though because I wouldn't. All the lights go off. Terrible idea. Didn't you watch Mr. Robot or whatever the fuck that shows? I did. It was good. That's so good.

It's really good. Uh, hackers, we love you. Unite. We have a tribute to you. They all look like Angelina Jolie in the movie. That's right. Hackers. What's it called? Hackers? The show Hackers. The show? Movie Hackers. No, no, no. I know the movie you're talking about. It's where Johnny Lee Miller, the British actor and Angelina Jolie. Was Ryan Felipe in that? I don't know. Picture? I think Steven's going to tell us. Okay. I think it's called something like the motherboard. Now that's not correct. Well, I do know what movie you're thinking of antitrust with Ryan Felipe. Okay. Did I just mash up to the classic mashup? Was he a hacker in that? It was like Bill Gates was played by

not Tim Robbins. Chris Cooper? I get what his name is, but he was like a Bill Gates type. We need a Steven to look up for our Steven. That's right. He was like a Bill Gates guy who was like stealing like young people's technology and Ryan Felipe was like uncovering the conspiracy. MTV website. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And this Hackers was from, was Angelina Jolie was released in 95? It was called Hackers. Shit. They just went for the lowest common denom. Johnny Lee Miller. Did it have a Z in it? No, unfortunately. That's the remake. Now, what was the movie the motherboard that I'm talking about? What was our movie called the motherboard? A B movie in the 60s about women with children who get tied to boards.

Or just like the mom is bored and they like, okay, whatever. The mother board or it could be female CEO with children. The mother board, she's in charge. She makes all the decisions. You know what I'm going to try? Parenting is not working. I'm going to try acting like a computer. I'm going to parent. I'm going to make a computer version of me, the mom. Yes. As a stand-in, it looks exactly like her, but it's she's controlling it. Yeah. From her, from Santropa, from her. Listen, from what's this called? Why did I pick a name? I can't say. I don't know. Santrope. Now, if you were 10 years older, from Bora Bora Bora. If you were, if you were 10 years older, you would know that because it's from the Banda Soleil commercial theme song. Banda Soleil,

back when we didn't know anything about SPF or skin cancer, Banda Soleil was essentially Wesson oil in a beautiful bottle. And in the summer, you would just put, it smelled so good. It's just baby oil to lay in the sun in. Yes. And give yourself cancer. And there was a little bit of orange dye in it so that you kind of not, you would seem tanned just by putting it on. Wow. And the themes are the, the jingle was Banda Soleil for the Santropa tan. Oh my God. And it was just the lady, a white lady who was the brownest she could possibly be in a tight, wet bun. Oh. Maciated, like a, like supercoats. String bikini. String bikini inverted stomach. Oh. Like 80's skinny. Yeah. With like pearls or whatever, but next to

a pool, but so oiled that she reflected the sun back onto other people around the pool. It was so high glamour. Oh my God. That's all I wanted to do is have a Santropa tan when I was tan. Sure. I mean, I still do. I'm going to be honest. Banda Soleil. Have you seen that commercial, Steven? No. Nobody's seen it. I haven't seen it. I'm like the last fucking white rhino. I'm so old. And I only, only me and a handful of people know my references. That reminds me, you're going to, we've been, so I just remembered that you're going to be, uh, birthday. 92. You're going to be birthing when we're in Europe, right? In, when we're in Oslo. Oh, cool. It's my birthday. Ooh, let's go find like a reindeer restaurant and fucking eat reindeer for your

reindeer for your birthday. Okay. Great. Let's eat a live ring. Let's catch and kill. Right. I, yeah. Gorgeous animals. Let's do it. Do you remember in, um, uh, chef's table, I think it's season one, maybe season two. There's the guy who, who, his restaurant is Viking food. No. Did you not watch that series? I don't think I did. I think I meant to. I thought you would, I thought you, I just automatically assumed you would think that, you know, I get it. He, he gives you a dish and it's, he lights like peat moss on fire and then cooks like three herring or like it's like a bowl and it's like a bog water. Yes. And it's like, have you seen the bodies in the bog? Yeah. You mean the, the ones that have always been there? The bog bodies. Yeah. The ones that are kind of orange.

Yeah. They have hair and faces and nails. Yo, yeah. Look that up, you guys. That's fucking, that's a, that's a big bog hole to get into. Get into that bog hole. So you want to go to that restaurant? Do you want to go get Viking food? Yes. But I think we'd have to drive like four hours north of Oslo or wherever we are. I'm not even sure it's in Norway, which is the worst part. That's for Vince to find out. That's for our tour manager. Stephen, will you look really quick just so I'm not a total fool in case, if this is like in a very obvious other, like Nordic country, I'm going to get really depressed. But I think it is Norway. Well, you wouldn't know the name of the restaurant. You're just asking him to look up. What? Yeah. I'm just asking him to confirm

me and just affirm me as a person. I hear you. I don't know how you'd look. I hear what you're saying. I hear, I hear that you're saying hackers. Yeah. And I'm going to tell you you're wrong. It's the motherboard. Okay. Okay. Can I just say this? We haven't really talked about the alienist recently. Oh yeah. Are you watching? Yes. Loving it. My machine isn't Tivoing it. Is it not? Because it's not a Tivo. One, it's a fucking directory. But two, in addition, it starts at six. It didn't record it. Is it good? It's so good. I watch every episode twice. Okay. Okay. Oh my gosh. Because I love the fucking art direction. Yeah. I want to go back in time, please. I just want to see what it would really look like to walk down the street in, like,

Lower East Side. Here's what I think you would notice. Not what it looks like, but the smell. Yeah. You got to think about that, man. It stunk so bad. Everybody's stunk and it's stunk. But still, I just, the visual of it. I mean, did they even have toilet paper back then? No, they used papyrus. Right? Uh-huh. From the Bible? Uh-huh. Swinging back around. The restaurant was Faviken and it's in Sweden. But you are going to Sweden. Oh, we are? Yeah. Oh, great. Yeah. You'll be in Stockholm, so it doesn't say what city. I bet it's only seven hours outside of Stockholm. We're going on a McDonald's for your birthday. You know. You're getting real complicated. I'm going to be like, I don't know. It's just like the McDonald's here is better. Yeah. It feels real.

It's like I can taste the clogs. But I bet there's some fancy restaurant that's there. Yeah. Shit. Sorry, guys. No, whatever. I was actually, you know, who knows a lot about Norway. Norway Jeans is our accountant. Really? Yeah. That's weird. She was talking all about, if we go, she was so excited that we're going to Europe. Oh my God. So excited that we're going to Amsterdam. Yeah. She started naming all these places we need to go in Amsterdam and things we need to do. I'm never that. One of the things she said is so worth it, you can get on a bus and go to Tulip farms, big huge Tulip farms and just walk around and see because they're going to be in bloom while we're there. Oh my God. I like Tulips. I love Tulips so much. I love them. We're going to say

I'm in the ground. We're going to say that I'm growing in the ground. Big, big spots of purple tulips. God, guys. Cool. God and, you know, all his friends are there and they're happy for you and they're ready for you. It's going to be the best feeling. It's going to be the best. It's going to be a Tulip farm. We're going to meet God in Amsterdam and go to a Tulip farm with him. All the fucking religious people just unsubscribed. Tulip lovers. Right. Unsubscribe. What? They should be on their side. I know. I don't know why they're so mad at us in this story. We're kissing their fucking asses right now. We're fucking blowing them up right now. We're like, oh, do you like Tulips? We like what you like. Yeah. Tulip murderinos are like. Tulipino. Finally, our time. Yeah. Jerry Tulipino. There you go.

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two weeks ago, um, how somebody accidentally ordered, they meant to order themselves packets of the true crime, uh, trading cards and they ended up ordering boxes. So they gave us each one. Yeah. I was sitting there and I have this really weird habit of like, when I'm like, um, what is it called processing my mail quote unquote, I just put things in piles on my counter and then spend days figuring out where they need to go in my house. And that true crime, the box of true crime cards was sitting on my counter unopened and I kept moving it around. Like people would come over and where is it going to live? Right. Well, I decided it doesn't fucking need to live. I'm opening that box and I'm opening every packet. The fuck. Yeah. This is my

box and why am I going to like save it like some Star Wars nerd? Sorry. And then I'm subscribed. I'm subscribed. Stephen gets up, storms out, throws himself over the railing of the podcast loft. Um, but I was like, why am I saving this? These, this is my thing that I like. I want to look at every one of these cards. Let's go crazy. So I opened all of them. The problem was I got halfway through and realized these are always going to, there's only like save five sets. Right. And I'm just repeating them. So you have, yeah, I see what you're saying. But my worry was I would think that was true and then miss a set. So then I just opened every single one. And this is just so much about how different you and I are because I'm like, that must be so free because I

can't open mine because it's like, no, you'll ruin it. You're going to ruin it, Georgia. Don't ruin everything. But how do you ruin the thing that's supposed to be for you? Yeah. No, it doesn't matter a hundred percent. That's what I realized. Cause you know that thing I had, I had my friends over for game night, which is my, it was so fun. And it was the first time I had people over in a really long time. And it was, I kind of like felt like I had to because it already gotten hosted a couple of other times. So they're like waiting on you. Yes. Basically put up or shut up. Oh, so when I was cleaning my house, I was like, there's so much clutter and bullshit in this house that I don't need or want, but I have a weird connect. Like I feel like I'm not allowed to

throw it away. Yeah, I get it. So I tried to start doing that thing of like, does it bring you joy? Put it in your hand for three seconds and then throw away anything you don't need or truly want. And when I looked at that box of things, I'm like, I want to know what every card is. So why don't I just find out? Do it. I love it. So now I have a stack this big. Oh my God. I've sussed through, we've done this already. I've never heard of this. I've heard of this. Okay. And now I have my new stack, which is the best organized. I love it. That has nothing to do with the story I'm about to tell you. Wow. Because I was just sitting there going like, think of like one of the original a moment. It doesn't have to be a whole story. And I thought about this event. So I looked it up.

I'm here to tell you. I'm so excited. All about and tell me if you remember this. Oh my God. Oh my God. From 2003, the Van Nuys Courthouse shooting. No, I don't remember it. Oh girl. Oh honey. Okay. Okay. So when grandma was in her early 20s, this was before the internet existed. Comics used to, we used to pass around video tapes with what essentially were today YouTube videos on them. So there was, and this is things comics did all the time. So it'd be like, we're all going to go over to So and So's house and watch So and So's tapes. Patton was the one, Patton or Blank Apache usually are the ones that had them. And they were just compilations of things you couldn't believe you were watching. So it would be like the very first one I saw had the farting preacher on

it. So it's that guy that they dubbed over farting. You know that you've seen that video, everyone's seen it. Then there was, there was like CNN bloopers when CNN first started. They used to fuck up on tape all the time. And there was people that would just record it and they would make like blooper reels of CNN stuff of like, you know, that guy Bernard Shaw was the original CNN anchor. He'd be like asleep on camera. It was awesome. There's amazing stuff. Then there was really awful things like there was a orchestra that was playing one time that the entire stage collapsed while the orchestra was playing. And that was on there just random awful crazy shit. Cool. So this is one of those things that went around and this is much later. This is like

how every like everything is terrible came about or it's like totally before that was a thing. Exactly. This is what you did is you made compilations of fucking weird shit. Yeah. Somebody would be at home and they'd be like, what is this children's show where a weird adult is teaching yoga? I better record this because I don't understand what's happening. I love it. Yeah. So this is this was a clip that was would have been on one of those videos. And it's the craziest thing I've ever seen. So I'll just tell you. Okay. It happened on Halloween, October 30th, 2003. Okay. Now, if you're from the Southland, you know that Van Nuys is one of the most gorgeous cities you could visit. Oh, God. So she's kidding. It's just concrete. It's concrete and discount

furniture store. Totally. That's exactly what it is. But out in the middle of all that, there is a what eight story the Van Nuys courthouse. Yeah. And the Van Nuys courthouse is where you go when you fucked up in your car, which everybody does not like. I haven't been there because I fucked up in my car. What'd you do? I don't remember. I must have, I don't know. A moving violation? Probably. Yes. So I had to go there. I'm still mad about this. I had a friend who on fucking Ventura, which is down here for anybody that's not from down here. Ventura is the big basically a four lane highway that's a street. It's in a Tom Petty song even. Yeah. Ventura Boulevard. Ventura Boulevard. It goes four miles through it basically bisects or runs up the middle of the San Fernando

Valley. Yeah. And you can get on it in at the like Hollywood, where the Hollywood Bowl is essentially and you can drive down for so long. I mean, I don't even know how far it goes. So we were on Ventura at, I think it was like cold water in Ventura and it was like 10 o'clock at night and we were going to go to a party and my friend had just gotten a very fancy sports car and from a metered parking spot, she flipped a U-turn on Ventura crossing four lanes of traffic to do this U-turn and we immediately got pulled over and I hadn't even touched my seat belt yet. Oh no. So when we got pulled over, these two traffic or these two policemen, I don't know what kind they were, but they were both young and they were hopped up in a way that scared the

living shit out of me. And I was like, imagine if we were a car full of black teen boys, this would be beyond. And they were so aggressive for no reason. Oh my God. And they were like, yeah, I need to see your, he was like, this guy was tapping on the, my, my window. Mad at you and it's not even on the window. Let me see your ID, like comment at us. And I kept going like, I'm the passenger. I didn't, I'm not controlling the car. He's like, your seat belt's not on. I go, we just pulled out of the parking spot. Of course I was sassin' it up. I got a fucking $320 ticket for not having it my seat belt. Oh no. Some insane, and this was when I lived in a studio apartment. Yeah. I mean, it was dark times. I could not afford it. And not only did

I have to pay this really high number, I had to appear in court for, for this moving violation. So I wanted to murder my friend. Yeah. Say her name. Work, work through it now. Yeah. So you have to go to the Van Nuys courthouse. I was so nervous to be in a courtroom. I was like dying. Well, you have to sit there for the 40 other cases before yours. So it was just like one teenage boy after another. Sad fucking depressing shit. So depressing. Most of the teenage boys, it was for their radios, car stereos were up too loud. Shut up. Yes. They were all like, the judge would be like, young man, this is your fifth violation. You can't drive with your stereo up this loud. There was like that happened like 15 times. I mean, figure it out,

Kevin. Like just turn it down a fucking decibel. Turn it down. I understand you're trying to make your friends think that you're a badass. And everyone around who you want them to not fuck with you because you're scared. Yes, we're all scared. Because you're scared they'll see the real you, Kevin. But let me tell you, as a fucking 37 year old who used to turn shit up, you can't hear anything when you're an adult anymore. The damage that I have done to my hearing. Oh, yeah. Is amazing. Half of my friends can't fucking hear anything because we all used to go to shows and shit. Like you just don't, it's not, it's not, it's not be boring. It's not as cool as you think. Anyway, so by the time I get up there, I basically the judge ended up reducing the dollar

amount because at one point I just went, he was, he was questioning me like I was the driver. And I finally went, I was the passenger. And then he went, really? And then he was just like $120 or something. Like cut it down. Thank God. But the entire experience was nerve jangling and sure infuriating. So now I've set the scene. Okay. Van Nuys courthouse. Very strange, large building, kind of ominous. Yeah. Right. I'm there with you. There's a discount furniture across the street. There's a discount furniture across the other street. There's a donut shop in the strip mall right there. Yep. Probably got great donuts. And that's the only thing in that strip mall. Everything else is closed. There's also a nail salon. Oh yeah, there's, there's two nail salons

next to each other. Yes. But otherwise, there's nothing. There's nothing. And because it's Van Nuys, it's always 91 degrees. Oh my God. Oh, 91 and like, and like, but in a hot way. Yes. A stifling way. A stifling yet dry way. Like put, and there's not one fucking tree in the entire city. Funny that you should say that. Why? Almost as if on cue. It's perfect setup. Okay. Yeah, there's no shade except for the height of this building, this cement building. It's dark times. So, and so at this time, because it was October 31st, 2003, normally it's, you're so far out there, the only people that would be at this courthouse are people that have business there. It's not. There's, you wouldn't go there for any other reason. You're not there for fun. There's no

fun to be had. There's not a great restaurant in the basement. Nothing, nothing good. Oh, it's a vintage cafeteria. You know, like all the other courthouses, they have nice things. God, there's some great food at the LA County Courthouse. However, people do go to Pasadena Courthouse because it's gorgeous. Is that true? It's the one, it's the one, they use it as the courthouse in Pawnee in Parkinson's Recreation. Oh, yeah, yeah. Right? Yeah. I'm going to say yes. I'm, I'm going to agree with myself. I'm agreeing to. Anyway, so it's like, I want to say vintage. It's vintage. It's like pretty architecture. Yes, gorgeous. So yeah, that's not happening here at the Van Nuys. Van Nuys Courthouse, they were like, we want to make it tall and upsetting looking.

And it was probably, they did that in 1972. Okay. At the time, on this day, remember when Robert Blake had to go on trial for attempting to kill or the attempted murder or no, sorry. The murder. The murder of his wife, Bonnie Lee Bakley. Right. So this is a amazing overlap that I didn't realize until I started researching this. So for those of you who don't know, Robert Blake was an actor. He was a child actor. He was Beretta. He was, you know, he was kind of like the, he was almost like a serious Ted Danson of the 70s. Nothing like Ted Danson in any way, almost the opposite really. But this is the first television person I could think of. So he, yeah, he was like Magnum PI, but like serious. True. Yes. Yeah. Didn't do a lot of comedy though. Yeah. I feel like Ted has

better range. Yeah. So he and his wife were eating dinner at a very famous old Italian restaurant called Vitello's, which is on Tahanga, I think. Yeah. And Vitello's has clearly been there since the 50s. Right. And he, they left the restaurant and then he said, wait here, I'm going to go back into the restaurant. I forgot my gun. And he, and Robert Blake went back into the restaurant, get his gun and while he was in there, he forgot his gun. He forgot his gun in the Italian restaurant. Why did he have his gun? I mean, it's because that's where the gun would be when his wife is being shot in the head out in the parking lot. Right. He's not involved and his gun is in the restaurant. So that was the suspicion. And that's why he ended up going on trial and the trial and

a bunch of shit took place at the Van Nuys courthouse, which is amazing. And I didn't know that because they were there. There was pre-trial hearings going on because there was there was a conspiracy charge between Robert Blake saying Robert Blake and his bodyguard who's named Earl shit. I can't believe they think he actually pulled the trigger. No, they think that the conspiracy was that he went in to get his gun really publicly. Well, his bodyguard Earl was outside shooting Bonnie. Yeah. So they think that he shot Bonnie. The security guard. Right. The bodyguard. Yes. Okay. Got it. Yes. So they were at the courthouse that day to have the pre-trial hearing about this conspiracy charge. It eventually got dropped and they ended up saying they didn't

actually really have a lot of direct evidence or real material evidence. Anyhow, we'll do that story some other time. But because that pre-trial hearing was taking place at the Van Nuys courthouse that day, there were all these news cameras set up from all over the place internationally set up so that when Robert Blake walked out, they would have the shot of him leaving the courthouse, whatever the verdict was for that pre-trial hearing. They hadn't even gone into the full murder trial yet. Okay. At the same time, it was 10 a.m. that same morning. And so all these cameras are set up. And meanwhile, 53-year-old Wilson probate attorney Gerald E. Curry had just appeared in court himself as a probate attorney because he was representing a client who was the trustee

of a special needs trust for a 64-year-old man named William Stryer. And the trustee had said that Stryer had been threatening her life. And so she wanted out of this trust. Stryer had been injured in a car accident and he had won settlement money for that injury. But the money was taken and put into this trust. Because what I'm gathering, but I don't know for a fact, but what it seems like is that he was unstable and couldn't- Because of the accident? No, it doesn't seem like it. Unstable. For some reason, he couldn't manage that money by himself. It was put into a trust and then this woman was placed in charge of the trust. So she had no connection like family or otherwise with this guy? I'm not sure. Because these are the details. That was the case that

Gerald Curry was in charge of. And he was her lawyer, this trustee. And basically the trustee was like, this guy is threatening my life. He keeps saying, if I don't give him the money, he's going to kill me. I don't want to be involved in this anymore. Oh my God. So that's why they were there at the courthouse for the hearing about that trustee's position. Oh my God. So he walks outside. I've seen the, okay, now I know. You know what I'm talking about now? Because you said to Steven earlier, keep this video handy. Yes. I've fucking seen this video. Now this video. This kind of made me really like happy in a weird way. Wait, maybe I'm thinking of the wrong video. No, no, I think you're thinking of the right video. It's so incredible. It's insane. And the idea

that this happened on the day that all these cameras were already set up is beyond bizarre. Okay. Okay. So, so Gerald Curry, the attorney walks outside, just got that thing taken care of. It's 10 a.m. I'm going to go get a coffee, blah, blah, blah, blah. The attorney for the trustee is like, he just wrapped up. He's like, I'm going to go to that amazing cafe outside of the Van Nuys Courthouse. Yep. And maybe go get my nails done. Right. He's standing there in the, so it's like the court, the courthouse is there and then there's this kind of long, rectangular courtyard. And that's where all the cameras are set up. And as he's standing, and it's, the courtyard has bushes and trees and things planted in it. Okay. Remember this part?

Uh-huh. So, as he's standing there, just stepped out of the courthouse, a stranger walks up to him that he's never seen before and says, is your name Gerald Curry? Now, what is our answer if some, a stranger walks up and says, is your name Georgia Hartstark? No. No, it's not. Nope. I don't know that name. What are your, what would your intentions be if I was Georgia Hartstark? What, can I pass a message along to Georgia Hartstark? But I know her. I've heard of her, but it's not, it's not me. But if you want to never fucking cop to shit, if a stranger is asking you questions, why do you ask would be the response? Why do you ask? Why do you ask? What's going on? Or even this, excuse me, goodbye. And you get the fuck away. But I'm sure that Gerald

Curry was just like, I'm at a fucking courthouse. Everything's okay. So he says, yes, I am Gerald Curry. And this man pulls out a gun and starts shooting. Two shots are fired. And all the news cameras are like, what the fuck is going on? Roll them. And they start recording. Holy shit. Do you want to play that video? So this is as it happened. He lived. He got a nice survive, which is fucking straight up. And he says, he didn't know the person all the, he didn't even see the gun. He hears the pops. He felt blood on his face. And he realized he was being shot. So in his mind, he said, I have to be a moving target. I have to start moving. So he just starts trying to dodge the guy. This video, this dude is legit, like fucking tap dancing to get the

fuck away from this bullet. And he hides behind what is the thinnest tree in recorded history. It's the most upsettingly small tree. There's nothing to hide behind. He's like doing a thing. It's like a cartoon where it's like, I'm hiding by the street. No, I'm not. It's the craziest. It's beyond. Meanwhile, the whole place in this video, when you go on to see it, there's a girl on a pay phone in the background, like what the fuck, like like 10 feet away. Like this, this is like all the sudden handgun shooter. So apparently everyone that was nearby in the courtyard, all the cameramen start rolling. The people that were in the courtyard run around the corner. So the good news was that at the same time, LA County Sheriff's Reserve Deputy,

David Katz, was off duty as a reserve as a as a sheriff's deputy. So he was at the courthouse because he was working in the traffic court. Oh my God. Where I was. Oh my God. He's your friend. He was there working traffic court, but he's wearing a suit and tie and he doesn't have his gun on him. He's totally unarmed. He only has his badge. So when the, when the shots start popping off, everybody runs like around this corner and onto the street and he does too. Then he hears someone run up to a tow truck driver and say call 911, a deputy just got shot. And then he hears that and runs back into the courtyard. Even though he doesn't have a gun and there's kind of nothing he can do, he pulls out his badge and he's like, I have to go back in. Like I can't, I can't run away

from this and goes back in. And as he goes back in, he, the first person that's walking by, he says, where is the deputy that's got shot? And the person who he asks never breaks stride and doesn't turn his head to look at him and goes, he's back there and, and keeps walking totally calm as day. Yeah. Calm as day. Then a cameraman sees that exchange and starts yelling, that's the shooter. That's the shooter. So basically, David Katz walked by the shooter and asked him that question. And the guy was like, as if nothing had happened, walking away from the scene. And so he realizes that's his one moment and he has to get this guy. So he turns around, runs and jumps and tackles him, grabs him by the neck, pulls him down. Basically, he said he tried to hit him as hard as he could because

he knew that he would have to like, this was his one chance and he knew he had at least one gun on him. So David Katz tackles him. And he turned out he did have a second gun. Oh my god. He just never got, he just never used it. And then once David Katz tackles him, then a bunch of other deputies had come out of the building. They're all on him. Jesus fucking Christ. Yeah. And apparently one witness said that when, so the shooter's name was a man is a man named William Stryer. And he was the person who he had been injured in a car accident. And he wanted the money from that trust. What the fuck does he think happens in life and law? That's our new show coming this fall to ABC. What's happening in life and law? It's just, nope, in life and law.

In life and law, dot, dot, dot. And it's like a mom. She's trying, it's Motherboard is the working title. Yeah. That's so I can relate to it. Yeah. Yes. What the fuck? I know. It doesn't work like that. You just proven you shouldn't have any money because you don't understand. And because you're going through life, if something fucks you up, you just threatened to kill it. Totally. That's the reason that they were in court is because he had already threatened to kill the trustee. Yeah. And then it comes out. I never found what the actual ruling was, but I imagine it was not for him. Sure. But he knew that Gerald Curry was the lawyer that was the trustee's lawyer. So it has nothing to do with you and it won't even help you to punish this person because they're

they're two steps, two fucking, what do they call it, degrees away from the fucking problem you're having to become from Kevin Bacon. Yes. Well, and also he had already made the bad mistake, which is you can, you're not allowed to threaten people say, give me my money or I'll kill you. So that you now disqualified yourself from the money, but you want it to be someone else's fault that you don't have that money. So you've decided that this lawyer is keeping you from the money. Right. And apparently a witness said that he heard Stryer say when the shooting was done, he shot at him six times and Stryer was hit four of those six times. Oh my God. I mean, I'm sorry, Gerald Curry was hit four of those six times. But then once the shooting was over,

before he calmly walked away, a witness said he heard him say, that's what you get for stealing my money. So he in his fucking mind, he thinks that these people are all trying to steal his money. Yes. So at the trial, William Stryer appears in court laying on a hospital gurney because of his claiming it's because of his long standing back injury. So he's in in bed in in court in bed, which is a dream I've had. Do you ever do you have that thing where you're in a dream you you like wake up and you're like, I'm at school, but I'm also in bed. Yeah, like you're the weird one in bed. Yes. It's not like the naked dream, but it's like the you didn't get the memo that you're supposed to be at a bed right now. You're supposed to get out of bed. Yeah. So then you're trying

to play it off and just kind of be like, I'm not in bed. No, it's fine. I'm just in bed a little bit in public. Yeah. No, I've actually had that or like I've had the like weight starting to wake up and you think there are people there and be like, no, I'm not in bed. I'm not sleeping. Right. That makes me think a couple of my in bed dreams have been in being on people's front lawns in bed where I think it's because when I first moved to LA, it was so weird to me that people live so close together that and so many people live so close together that that idea of like we're basically on each other's fucking lawns. Yes. Yeah. Or in each other's like, and I'm just going to sleep here. Yeah. I'm just going to be out here. I don't know. Anyway. Okay. Basically his lawyers. So the shooter

William Stryer's lawyers say he needed immediate access to that trust fund because he needed a back operation so badly. But he was being barred by the trustee and that's why he was so upset. And then he also was on demoral, which is an incredibly strong painkiller. Okay. What I remember of friends being on demoral, it's like, like it in style. Yeah. But I think it's, it's bigger. I think it's like goes into the Oxycontin direction, opiate style shit. I think so. Okay. So they were kind of using that. Uh huh. They and the judge who was named Judge Rubin noted that Stryer had shot a neighbor four times in 1969. In 1969, he got into it with a neighbor shot his neighbor four times for which he served 90 days and got two years probation. So this is the way this, this guy dealt

with everything in his life. Yeah. And the first time around on that, the way that all got pled down, the judge this time around was like, you tried to use that I'm on pills. There's something wrong with me thing before and they fell for it last time. It's not happening this time. And it's like, dude, you think we wouldn't have checked that? Come on. Yeah. Exactly. You got a bit of a history. Yeah. That's that that's going to stick with you. William Stryer asked the judge if he could address the court and then did he get out of bed to do it? No, he's still in bed. He just like sits up in bed and he's like, he's like, him, he adjusts his pajamas. He goes to address the court, but he starts to veer off track. And he starts to say it's the cameraman's fault that

they didn't stop him from shooting. Yeah. So he starts trying to blame the camera man standing around. And that's when the judge was like, no, no, you're not doing this anymore. Not only are you not going to make this statement to the court. Now you're not allowed to be in this room. You have to go put your bed in the hallway and you have to listen through. Oh my God. You have to listen to the remainder of the proceedings through a speaker. So he got sent from bed out of the courtroom. Go to your bed. It's like, take your bed to the... Just roll that motherfucker out into the hallway. Oh my God. You don't even get to... We're not even going to look at you anymore. Wow. Because also that, it's so funny, my sister was in, she got hit by a guy who was shit-faced

at eight in the morning. Oh God. Oh God. Yeah. She had really bad back problems. And this guy pulled shit like that. He showed up one day in court with his daughter on it, like carrying his daughter on his hip. Saying what? Like drunk at eight. Sorry. I just, I didn't have babysitting. It's like people doing all these plays to get empathy and sympathy and like, to get people on their side. Yeah. She won. That's the goodness. Okay. Judge Ruman was basically all over this shit. And he was like, the deputy district attorney basically was like, William Stryer tried to execute Mr. Curry. He had no remorse. He never accepted responsibility. He was still making excuses by the time he was in the courtroom. And blaming it on other people,

not stopping him. Yes. That's bananas. Yes. It's insanity. And also when you see this video, like, because that is something maybe that would go through someone's mind of like, why did they roll record on their video instead of doing something? Well... But it's somebody with a gun. Yeah. I, I get it. I get doing both. Yes. You know. Well also, but who would really, it's a gun. Yeah. You're gonna run up to this guy and fucking tackle him. Unarmed. And even a sheriff's deputy was like, no, you have to take cover. Yeah. If you don't have any way to fight it. Yeah. It doesn't make a ton of sense to be like, no, I'm going to go take care of this. Right. And they, those cameramen who recorded that then also were the ones that were

like, he's right there. Like they were all over it. Anyway, that was who, that's bullshit anyway. But basically William Stryer was convicted of attempted murder. And in 2006, he was sentenced to life in prison plus 25 years. And he ended up dying in prison because he was already, he was 63 when he did this. Gerald Curry went to that sentence saying, and he told reporters, my main concern is my safety and my family's safety. And so he said, he felt satisfied with the fact that the fact that he knew William Stryer was going to prison and he would be in prison because he was so old already for the rest of his life. He was like, that's all I care about. And that's fine. Unfortunately, the shooting left a bullet lodged in the back of his neck.

And he had a really bad PTSD after it happened. Gerald Curry died in 2012, which is very sad. David Katz, the sheriff's deputy got a medal of valor for going back into that fray and tackling him. And he went on to work as a reserve deputy, deputy for in charge of search and rescue unit for the L.A. Sheriff's Department. And that is the story, the very fascinating and horrifying story of the Van Nuys courthouse shooting. Dude, isn't that nuts? That's nuts. And the fact that it's on video is so bananas. It's so crazy. It's like a time, yeah, when you didn't see that shit. No, I remember us, whoever put in the video, I remember David Cross was there. Like I remember, it was it was the early nineties or no, it couldn't have been early nineties, but it was like early

L.A. Yeah, time of my life. And we were standing watching the video, like holy shit. It was so crazy. And it was almost like Gerald Curry was defying logic by yes, he it didn't even look like he was getting shot. It didn't look like he was getting shot. It looked like he was avoiding these shots, but the gunshots just kept coming. Yeah, it was horrifying. And like what a scary situation to be in that this is happening. And so far, you've made it and you're fucking dodging these bullets, but keep going like oh, like what it's terrifying. It's so crazy. I mean, as some of the anxiety, I'm like constantly waiting for someone to just start shooting at me whenever I'm in fucking public. Yeah. And so to see so I think what I meant when I said that

this made me feel better is to see some that happened to someone and he dodged and he was okay. Right. So like it was like this thing of all right, it might happen, but maybe it could also be okay. Yeah, that's that's that was crazy. That's a crazy fun story. That's awful as well. Thank you for telling me. Yes, I totally forgot that I remembered that. That's from my new segment Remember this horrible thing that had a tiny piece of video attached to it. Hey, remember this? Yeah. Are you ready? All right, I want to get this right. Okay. This is important. I'm about to tell you about El Matavajitas, aka the old lady killer. Oh, shit. Yeah. Okay, fucking buckle the fucking. All right, hail up. Hey, the capital of Mexico, Mexico City is Mexico City. Have you heard?

Yes. You're so good at geography. You got it. Did you know it's the third the world's third most populous city according to this Wikipedia that I I hope it's up to date. From 1974. Yeah. It's okay. So it's estimated that one million of its residents are over 60 years old. Whoa. Yeah. So in 1998, when brutal murders of elderly women began to start popping up in Mexico City, the press starts to speculate that there's a serial killer. And they dubbed the serial killer El Matavajitas. But police are like, no, no, no, you guys are fucking freaking out calm down. This is media sensationalism. It's just that elderly women keep getting killed. But it's not a serial killer trying to link them together. Calm down. It's not a serial killer, but Mexico

has no shortage of serial killers. Gregorio Cardenas Hernandez was known as the strangler of Tacuba. And he became a celebrity in Mexico after he was caught murdering four young women and burying them in his backyard. This is in the 40s. Okay. There was even a fucking porn based on his crimes. Jesus. Yeah. So he was like a celebrity. He was in prison for 30 years. But in 1976, he was pardoned and celebrated as a hero because he had like changed his life. He'd like fucking play the piano in prison, learn to play fucking piano. So they were like, no, he's changed. You know what I mean? The piano's nice though. I mean, no one who plays the piano can be a bad person. Fucking heart and soul. Get a little get a couple rounds of heart and soul going.

Hell yeah. That's all he learned how to play. It's not that hard. It's not. And they're like, he's reformed. It's like, please stop doing that. Oh, God. There's also the sisters Delfina and Maria de Jesus Gonzalez known as a lot. Poco Nietzsche's the little Poco Nietzsche's poke. Yeah. That sounds about right from the 1950s until the 1960s. They're the the women, older women, their sisters, they run a large scale prostitution ring. Oh, and they murdered at least 91 people, these two fucking middle aged women. What for? Because they whenever one of their sex workers that they had kidnapped and forced into sex working wasn't couldn't do it anymore. They would kill them. They would kill if like a John came who had money on him, they would kill

like these sugar fucking bananas. They're Guinness World Record called them the most prolific murder partnership. Oh, wow. Yeah. And actually one of they both went to prison, one died there and the other one served her time and got out and no one ever tracked her down after that. Are you serious? Yeah. So I'm going to need the fucking this is not media sensationalism. This this might be a serial killer, right? Yes. All right. Can I just say this really quickly? As you were telling that story, I started to think about my favorite one of my favorite things in the world to observe or listen to is and it happens a lot in LA because there's lots of people who are bilingual or probably raised in like multi language households. Don't you love it when

you're standing by two people? It's for some reason, it's always teenage girls in my mind and they're speaking Spanish to each other because I think they're trying to tell like private stuff for secrets. But then they'll just say interchangeably with English. They'll just blow they'll say an English word perfectly like almost valley girl accents. Yeah. So it's like and a thing that you don't know or understand and then it'll be like the car wash. Aren't I right? Yes, exactly. There's phrases in it. It's like, it's my favorite LA thing. Yeah. And I'm also a very bad eavesdropper or a very good eavesdropper or the best eavesdropper or listening to people at car washes all the time. I wish I could speak fluent in a different language

and then that like the idea that you can do that and just flip back and forth. Like, well, now I have to say something private and I know that this person over here is probably listening. I'm deeply embarrassed as someone from Southern California born and raised that I don't know Spanish. Like it feels like I'm being a fucking elitist and rude. It's kind of rude. It is. Well, it's it's yeah, it's it'd be easy for me to learn. Right. Well, my sister and my dad went to the JC and took a Spanish class together. That's cool. I know I love that. But I wish I I wish I did it too. And also, I wish I hadn't taken French. It just serves me. I'm sorry. It's like, I think a couple menus. It's helped me. Yeah, a couple fancy dinners and pretty much that's it. That's

about it. And my fucking sister-in-law is Mexican and El Salvadoran. So my nephew is part of that as well. And the fact that, you know, he can't talk to his aunt in one of his fucking languages. Yeah, it just makes me feel shitty. Let's go to Los Angeles Community College. Done. Right down there on like on Melrose and like Western. Yeah. There's a community college right there. I went there out of high school. Did you really? Yeah. You didn't take any Spanish? No. Let's do that. I would love that. That'd be super fun. Or can we get sponsored by what's that? Rosetta Stone. Rosetta Stone. Come on. Let's have it. Our minds are open. Yes. We want to learn. Please teach us. Okay. Boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. Okay. Okay. So back to fucking El

Madavajaris. Okay. Madda. I feel like you're the head. You got the you got the accent. Madda Vajitas. Yeah. I think that's right. Yeah, right? I'm ready. Yeah, I think you're ready. It's like, I know a little Yiddish. I can fucking turn that into something else. You got the ear. Listen. They say once you have Yiddish, Spanish comes immediately afterwards. That's what they say. Great. At Los Angeles Community College. That's their motto. Once you have Yiddish, the world is your oyster. The world opens up to you. Okay. That's really the baseline. It's kind of the, it's the Latin. Yeah. Yeah. But for Yiddish. Yelling at your grand kid, your granddaughter, Georgia, and Yiddish is the Latin.

Don't shit all over my Chesterfield, right? Grandma stuff. Why am I sweating on her? Chesterfield's like a furniture, right? Yeah, it's a couch. Why is sweating? I took what I thought your grandma would say and then added something my grandma used to say would be like, get off the Chesterfield because she for some reason said it's a couch or sofa. But you know me well enough that I am constantly sweating, which is fucking true about me to know that I'm not. Schvitzing is the only Yiddish word I have like on hand. Okay. So that was not personal. Royce Gammatter is one of my favorite. What's that? It's just bothering, like touching and going through. My mom would say,

don't Royce, don't Royce Gammatter the cats. Royce Gammatter? Wow. Don't Royce Gammatter the cats. Like, leave them alone. Do not risk them out of the cats. Yeah. Okay. Here's what I learned in Gaelic. Okay, let's hear it. Can you give me more whiskey, please? I want to punch someone. I'm saying it with a really strong accent right now. But it's good. I'm going to repeat that later. Yeah. I'm going to try it when we're in when we're in Dublin. Dublin. I'm going to try to I'm going to use it. Use it. Can you give me more whiskey, please? Yes. I have rage issues. I feel like I want to punch someone. I'm going to punch someone. It'll help me. Yeah. And then but I'm still

going to punch someone. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to try it. And then before you get the third word out, they're going to be like, we got you. Don't worry. Oh, I know what you're talking about. We're going to have fun there. Okay. All right. So back there in the early 2000s, so authorities said that the murders of the old women aren't connected and aren't to work at the serial killer, but there's a fucking clear pattern to the murders. All the victims are women in their sixties or older, and they're found in their own homes, all of them either bludgeoned or strangled and afterwards are robbed. There's never any sign of forced entry and most of them lived alone. And so I went online and did a lot of research because there's not a lot of English

stories about this, stories about this in English. But I found a website that has unexpectedly every single fucking crime scene photo with the bodies in them. Just one of those like surprise. And then I start scrolling and it's like all of them. Whoa. And it's really hard. And it's so it's essentially like you're abuela, it's like abuela, abuela, every fucking grandma, like Mexican grandma you've ever seen with her like house of her, like with her newspaper from the morning and her shopping and her, you know, there's crosses everywhere. It's like every Mexican grandmother. It's so horrible. Like you think you get to live a life of like comfortable dresses with pockets and like, you know, feeding your grandkids too much sugar. And it's like that's the women,

that's who it is. And it's really fucking sad. And I had to after a few scrolls had to stop to stop looking at it. Yeah, don't. Yeah, that's the worst. Yeah, it was really depressing. Okay. So the chief prosecutor in Mexico City profiles the killer, it's Bernardo Batiz, saying that they that he has a brilliant mind. He's quite clever and careful. It was thought that whoever was doing it was taking the time to gain the trust of their intended victims because there's no forced entry. So one theory is that the person might be posing as a government official providing them like an opportunity to sign it for welfare programs at the door and they like and the the suite of whalas invite them in years drag on bodies like there's just many

murders of these older women and authorities have all these different theories, but they really don't know what's going on. They said there might be multiple killers. They find that they're one really weird detail is that three of the victims owned a copy of an obscure 18th century painting, Jean-Baptiste Grazou's boy in a red waistcoat. Oh, which turns out to be a red herring. It just might be a fucking that a whalas love that fucking painting. Yeah, so it's like some it was like the thing that was for sale in the market or whatever they're like, oh, that's pretty. So it just turns out that like that but that's how that's how little they have to go on is they're like, what's a connection? Well, they all have this painting. Oh, is that

the connection? Like who sold? You know, they don't know somebody that hates waistcoats. I mean, who among us? Okay, so just to show how desperate they are, the killings would start and stop again or stop and start again even. I mean, the both directions, they would go all over the place. They would stop, you know, no information surface. Okay, the killing of 82 year old Carmen Camilla Gonzalez Miguel on September 28 2005. She's an upper class woman and she's the mother of prominent Mexican criminologist Luis Rafael Rafael Marano Gonzalez. So that finally police are like, all right, now we'll fucking pay attention to this and let's let's get this going. So they start the operation of parks and gardens to like try to find this person. So

so officers patrol the areas where the killer was active. And pamphlets are passed out telling, you know, the elderly women, what did I say? Pamphlets wrong pamphlets. I did. That was just like one of my nostrils closing as I said it. I didn't pamphlets. I thought it was a Spanish word that I just never heard of you know pamphlets. They they when they hand out on the pamphlets pamphletas. Was that a dirty word? Okay, pamphlets. You've heard of them. You love you love them. You know them. You love pamphlets. I love a nice pamphlet. One thing about you. We know my god, if it's glossy and color, give them on. Come on. They tell them telling them to be wary of strangers. So sketches are distributed and they like they even pay elderly

women to act as bait in parks. What? Like fucking undercover elderly women hanging out being like who's going to come murder maybe murder you and they're like well promise we'll stop them before they can murder you. But please tell me they weren't genuinely elderly. That's what they said. Really? That's what they said. They even paid elderly women to act as bait in park areas. Wow. I know. Well that's kind of a good living because if nothing happens you're like well thanks for my 30 bucks. Yeah and they're also like well they killed them at home so like the park is the safest fucking place to be right now. They were actually scamming the cops. They were just like yeah this sounds like a great project. No I bet you'll catch them for sure. But uh you're gonna

pay me $50. I swear I saw someone weird yesterday. Maybe today is today. And definitely in this park and not at home. Um I need money to buy my waistcoat boy. Okay boop boop boop. Okay so a witness reported seeing a lar soon after um one of the murders a witness reported seeing a large woman in a red blouse leaving the home of a murdered woman. Oh. So police start to speculate that the killer could be wearing female clothing as a ploy uh you know and cross dressing. And so authorities launched a massive roundup of Mexico City's transvestite population. No. Guess how that goes. Badly. Badly. Guess how the transvestites are treated in Mexico City. Horribly. So um ultimately 49 of Mexico City's transvestite sex workers are detained and questioned and

fucking hassled. They suffer through a million investigations before being released when their prints didn't match any collected from the crime scene. Two months later police they're just don't know what the fuck's going on. They think maybe that person died so they start checking fucking uh fingerprints at the morgue. Well just because they think he committed they got like a word word that he committed suicide. Uh they like make this insane bust of the like a clay bust of the person's face. Steven maybe you can find it actually. Oh like best based on sketches. Yeah. Oh. Like who he is. Um then in January 2006 the landlord of 82 year old Ana Maria De Lo Reyes Alfaro comes home and finds someone fleeing the landlord finds someone fleeing this woman's home. Okay. He goes

and checks on his tenant and he finds Ana Maria dead on the floor and he calls police gives a detailed description of the attacker. Police get to the scene fucking immediately and they are able to track down the person who's fleeing. It turns out that El Maravajares is La Maravajares. That means girl. Dun dun dun. Boom. Yes. Killers actually fuck is a woman. Little or lady killer is a fucking woman. Whoa. Yeah. Twist. Aroo. Uh Juana Baraza is 48 and she's a single mother of four. She had a close cropped tight like real short dyed blonde hair. More mull on her face and she looks exactly like this bust. There's like photos online of her standing next to the bust and it's whoa. Creepy as fuck. Yeah they nailed it. The nose is a little off. Yes. Uh she looks like the

the killer based on witness accounts but she's not a man she's just a masculine woman and they catch her as she's leaving her last victim's house. She's carrying a stethoscope uh pension form uh pension forms and carrying an identify a card identifying her as a social worker. Oh fuck. Yeah. So her M.O. would be that she would knock on the door smile introduce herself as a social worker show her stethoscope and then once she was in in the uh the fucking abuelas they're like come on it you know like it's like come in that's it's a lady doctor here to like help you out. Help you. Once inside though there was little conversation she would strangle her victim her victim usually with the stethoscope. Whoa. Or some kind of cloth that was already there

and or stab her. Um she then ransacked the house and uh when they raid when they raided Juana Barza Baraza's house they discovered her trophy room where she had arranged newspaper clippings about the murders also had objects stolen from the victims and had a shrine to Jesus Malverde and Santa Muerte who were I said that right listen I'm Jewish don't I can't. Santa Muerte is that Muerte sounds like murder or death right. Santa Muerte. Saint murder. Two folk deities often worshiped by Mexican outlaws. Oh fuck. Yeah. Oh I got the Santa part right. Good job. Thank you. Uh like okay here's the skits bummer time uh like many serial killers Juana Baraza had endured a horrific childhood. This one's particularly shitty. Really? Mm-hmm. Well

it's something had to have happened for a woman to be a legit straightforward serial killer not Eileen Mornos like uh I've you know my life has gone astray and I'm living on the on the verge or whatever but like shooting a man and stealing his money and then being like oh this is a good way to make easy money or whatever like the idea that she was so classical like straightforward serial killer. And like she was ransacking their house and stealing shit so you could the argument could be that. She's sociopath that wants money. Right but but wait okay all right so she's born in 1957 in um Hildalgo a rural area of Mexico her mother's a fucking crazy alcoholic she's verbally and physically abusive and often trades her daughter to her drinking buddies for alcohol.

There's no way to like fucking not say that so when she's 12 years old Juana's mom trades her permanently to her drinking buddy a 62 year old man for three beers like basically sends her off with this dude. This is like Mary Bell yeah this is how merit that would happen to Mary Bell when she was little. It's just so disgusting and horrifying and dark dark dark dark so Juana later gives birth to a son um and she has four children total although and this is another trigger for her her oldest son died from injuries sustained in a mugging he was mugged and he died from that. Oh no I know um so she eventually gets away she's a single mother in Mexico City and she had always been obsessed with lucha libre which is the the crazy popular. This is the fucking okay I just

am putting this together. Are you do you know if you've heard of this? Yes because the people have told me the very shortened version of this in like um in the VIP lines and it's the most fascinating thing. Yeah sorry go ahead. Yeah so she was obsessed with fucking Mexican masked professional wrestling and she as an older woman was like fuck it I'm fucking joining I want to do this and so she calls herself la da la dama de la silencio no la dama de silencio the lady of the lady of silence uh-huh come on lady of silence she wears a butterfly mask and hot pink spandex and she could bench press over 200 pounds yeah like let's fight yeah so she's really let's fight let's fight she's really in a Mexican mass wrestling so again yeah it's fucking crazy yeah

professional wrestling and murder look over on that side of the podcast wall there's wrestling this is the hard stark avril dream uh-huh case yeah that we both are bummed about yeah so by the time she starts murdering older women her own mother was already dead but she is surprisingly by all accounts a good mother um she lived at home with her two youngest kids a boy who's 13 and a girl who's 11 supports the family through a mix of domestic work street vending and petty theft but she's apparently a good mom and like kind of her children you know from what I can remember of something positive right so using fingerprint evidence Mexico City prosecutors are able to link uh Juana bars up to at least 10 of the murders attributed like periods so the only

10 um and she says when she gets caught I only killed the one little old lady the one that she was caught for not the others uh don't pin the others on me and they were like what's your motive and she said I got angry that's all she said she's like it's just the one I killed okay but 10 of them based on fingerprints are attributed to her um and ultimately she's connected to as many as 40 killings whoa so she killed possibly killed 40 little old ladies it just kept doing it from the late 90s to when she was caught in 2006 um the first victim she's directly attributed to that were a hundred percent sure she did is on November 25th 2002 when she bare-handed beat and strangled a 64 year old woman named Marie De La Luz Gonzalez whoa so it could she could have killed way more

than that um at this point she goes to trial she's 50 years old little old lady killer goes on trial in 2008 the evidence uh was said that she would cruise public places in search of elderly women on their own she'd follow them home she'd gain their trust access to their home to help with their shopping bags or whatever or request a cleaning uh like can I need a job cleaning your house or uh whatever and then or she would pretend to be a nurse or a social worker offering a free checkup or information about benefits god I know it's fucking dark she's found guilty on 16 charges of murder and aggravated burglary um she's sentenced to 759 years in prison whoa just a couple yeah she ends up like getting married in prison but then divorces and she seems to be kind of happy

there wow yeah um and she's only admitted to the ever admitted to the last killing and she says the motive was the lingering resentment to her own mother's horrible treatment of her but everyone thinks that she targeted old women as a way to get back at her fucking crazy awful old alcoholic mother that makes sense yeah and so got some kind of satisfaction out of killing these fucking poor women who but there is an element like um and I can't remember what one it is specifically but the not copying to it yeah like going oh I only did that one when it's proven that you've done the other ones where you kind of it's that thing that always happens to us where we're taught when you get into the details of a serial killer's life yeah it changes it because then you're like oh you never

had a chance yeah so sad or whatever but then yes you did have a chance like that that it was just that terrible combination of like whatever was already wrong with you yeah bad upbringing or whatever but you know 40 old ladies like how are you just killing an old lady I know I wonder if there's part of you when you don't admit like there's so many people that don't admit it even though the facts are clear and it drives me fucking crazy and I just want you to say you did it and cop to it it's easy do it but I wonder if there's this part like with her where it's like I don't want to admit that I'm that that I have those that I have that in me yes I can be a good mother and I can pursue my passion of fucking lucha libre but also I am someone who's so

dysfunctional that I murder old women like you don't even want to admit it to yourself yes exactly like she's because there's parts of her life if she was a good mother truly then she isn't a sociopath right which means then she's doing this thing or that even like she doesn't want to admit that her her horrible mother affected her so much that caught like that means your mom is still part of you yes and you know you want to say I'm over it I fixed it by being a good mother but no you're you're still doing this thing and you're having a reaction that you're not just like your mother for being that way now you're worse than your fucking worse I mean you're worse than her it's so sad and like there's so many I know like

like the grandma culture is so you know as someone who had a culture that the grandma was a huge part of your life and it's I just can't imagine having to have that with the rest of your life that your grandmother was killed in that awful way horrible it's so sad it just made me think too of in mind hunter but remember there was that killer in Sacramento who's doing the exact same thing he was attacking old ladies like on their front porch yeah and in that they're so upset like the cops are so upset by the crime that that when they try to get there to say hey maybe it's be there's this reason or whatever then they're like it's just a monster like they can't see because it's a thing that's like culturally we've you're no matter what level of asshole you are you're

not going to be an asshole to an old lady yeah you know what I mean it's like it takes it means you're beyond a certain point yeah what we need to realize is that there are people who are always going to be way more horrible than we can ever imagine that they're going to be people who who are picking the most vulnerable people on purpose yeah which is just like oh that's so crazy yeah and then the wrestling element too I know this lady and it's not even like it's just like the fucking media in Mexico City and Mexico blew the fuck up and loves this story and went crazy about it and the truth is like she wasn't that big and Lucha Libre she just kind of did it a little bit and she was really into it and there are photos of her and there's like an interview with her at

like one of the matches and she seems like a lovely normal woman it's so creepy it's crazy and and also women never I mean the percentage is like one percent yeah like even if she maybe only killed those 10 people that a woman fucking killed 10 women yes and not poisoning not the usual way and not with a gun it's like a personal fucking attack of a strange a stranger that you don't know I mean there's some deep-seated fucking psychological shit going on there oh Steven oh there's a oh I think on Instagram Steven's been posting oh shit she has a butterfly mask you guys and a butterfly belt and how fucking neon pink is that shit her wearing a butterfly mask seems especially sinister uh-huh like some kind of like because she's she is a butterfly

she's gone from you know whatever her actual life is to like now she's the secret identity masked wrestler and she's blooming and she was a cat coming into her own fucking in her cursilis and shit right I don't know but then there's also like some amazing gold tiger stripes here like I can't take my eyes off this picture go to Instagram I'm Steven will post it my favorite murder it's let me take this time to fucking plug our fucking social media good idea great I sound like a great person that's how we transition out of the darkest yeah that was uh the el amadova harris aka the old lady killer awesome yeah god that's dark I know also just if you lived in a city where old ladies were getting killed totally how like sinister yeah it's the devil

yeah you're like at least find someone young please someone young and irritating oh my god it's one of those people with the the young websites and stuff yes like a hacker like a hacker a young loudmouth hacker with a computer at the fucking cafe what do you if you built this computer yourself why would you transport it down to the cafe you get one outlet for two hours tops and you can't bring power strips no power strips fair 100 no unless you're gonna let me use it but you're not you're using all of them in the whole yeah you're setting up your printer right doing what's happening you know someone's gonna take a photo of you okay uh let's end it with not depressing things um I really like that story I and I also like the idea that maybe we can set a short term

goal of like within the next five years we can become moderately conversational in Spanish okay and Steven so that's a half decade Steven can oh you're moderately in math or whatever Steven can check it uh-huh and then we can eventually build to be like the girls that we hear to having private conversations publicly yeah and then throwing in a like a lucky charms great whatever the yeah we'll just talk about cereal all the time and car washes cereal gossip yeah uh all right do you have a thing that you like for this week yeah I have a thing I want to shout out um because it makes me feel not horrible okay that's key are we calling this thing I think we're sort of calling it like the good thing of the week yeah not catchy no it's not uh this doesn't suck this isn't hey this

isn't murder corner no it's also not happy uh happy by the by the performer Pharrell that takes too long okay well this one is uh so a bunch of murderinos got together uh it was hosted by I think the woman named sarin norman is a murderer you know is a person to put this together but it's a it's a murderino run so just put the word run in murder run no you know what I mean like are you a murder runner and they did a uh like a virtual 5k which means like you have to say you're gonna run a 5k okay you know no one's here to check your work but like do it but do it don't be an asshole and everyone would um raise money for the 5k and they raised they all did it all these fucking murder run-os um they raised over $3,000 for the joyful heart

foundation which is a foundation who whose effort is to end the backlog of untested rape kits in the u.s. wow so $3,200 that's amazing yeah and they went for runs that's all of that yeah I mean it just is such a cool a cool organization that I'm the sub subgroup murderino subgroups are pretty incredible it's pretty intense did you somebody um at a meet and greet told us that there's one called the complainerinos where they just go on and they just get to complain and and everybody goes yep you're right and they're they just you can log on and just say something that you're mad about oh my god and the idea of that makes me laugh so hard of like just to save space to go complain get it off your chest and then get back to your life I feel

like this podcast is that a little bit that's we're doing that definitely at each other I love it well it's just yeah it's it's nice it's so good what's yours I guess I guess I would say um I feel like mine are always Netflix based but we gotta give those recommendations I guess look I gotta lay on the couch indefinitely avoiding the rest of my life definitely um I started watching the mind of a chef and it is um Anthony Bourdain is the narrator but it's about this chef um David Chang who is the he has the restaurant Mama Foucault Mama Foucault is it Foucault no you said it right yeah okay I mean it's a noodle place in New York or maybe other stuff too yeah and it's just a really good it's a cooking show or or like one it's one of those kind of you know how chefs

live and what they're low what they like or whatever but then he also like shows you how to make things oh cool in a very natural and not like slow way and not he just kind of talks you through it as he's making it yeah in a way that makes me go I bet I could make that and there's one part where he was talking about learn to make chicken soup it's the easiest thing in the world then you can give it to someone you love when they're sick it's learn to do it there's no reason you shouldn't learn yeah uh it was just a super enjoyable show but it's been out for a while and that same guy is the one who now has the series Ugly Delicious oh right that's his series okay which is it's basically a continuation it feels to me like a continuation of that old episode so just making

you happy in between it's fucking Golden State Killer shit yes exactly what food shows are the best man they really are and it's that thing of I don't I'm not interested in making it yeah I love to watch I feel like maybe it's because chefs are so different than me yeah like I had nothing about that appeals to me of like the work it takes no organization the fucking they're like so rigid your schedule and your life and everything you do and the timing of it's so easy to fuck it up like it makes me want to quit just thinking about how hard it would be to make a dinner like that and then at the end of the day it's you have to serve it to a fucking bunch of plebes who might not fucking like it or want to put more salt on it or whatever yes exactly or they might just be there

to criticize it so like yeah like they're so all they're about is excellence on just constant excellence yeah it's really impressive yeah but then like so then when you're watching a show like this and then in in their personality they're kind of cool and chill yeah then you're like oh you're the most fascinating person ever well anthony wordane is like it's just a crush he's just like a crush-filled husband yeah you're just like why are you so cool why are they so cool I don't know it's like they've taken like they've taken it being obsessive and made it work yeah made it make them popular yeah and also good food yeah I don't know I really liked it I like that that's cool that's a good like that's a good likes when you're when you need a minute of something beautiful and good

and happy yes food so happy food's really happy it's a celebration and it's also like yeah watching him eat a thing there's a part where they were like in japan and he was trying um they were at this is you know world famous sushi bar or whatever and he's trying these things and uh chef david cheng is trying these things and um he loves it so much the food he's being served is made so perfectly and simply that he's like having a nervous breakdown because he's like I could never do this and it's the most fun thing to watch one person who's excellent at something worship someone who's really excellent at something it's just like that whole world it's just a world I don't understand yeah that I love to watch I'm there with you yeah let's do it yeah um let's go to dinner more

yes let's go to dinner every night every night and don't forget to watch Nancy Silverton's episode of the chef's table who is a famous LA um restaurateur and chef she's fucking awesome it's just an amazing like her dedication and the reason her restaurant moza is so insane is because she cares about every single item yeah I met her she's fucking cool too really yeah she seems super cool she's just like just a cool lady yeah yeah love it um thanks for listening you guys tell us stuff you know let us know how you are yeah and Stephen loves to read your email so write them and communicate with us we like it my favorite writer at gmail and that's it thanks for listening yeah stay sexy and don't get murdered goodbye Elvis want cookie oh that sounds like a frog