My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 128 - Live at Albert Hall in Manchester

Episode Date: July 5, 2018

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Yeah, this is nuts. Welcome to our first daytime show. It's like being at a festival. And our first church show. It's our first church show, that's right. I feel like I'm gonna burst into flames at any minute. Same, girl, same. I think I might burst into flames faster because I was supposed to be going to this place

for like the past 30 years, and I just dipped out. Yeah, they know. Because I haven't shown up. Who's they? They know, whoever they is. You know. Jesus and his dad? That guy. Yeah, they know.

Those two know. How's it going, you guys? This is so exciting. We're really excited to be here. We like this place, and we drove by the Hacienda today. Yeah! It's now a hotel or apartments. Yeah, apartments. So it's not as drug-fueled.

We don't know that, though. We don't know that. We don't know that. That's true. If you can afford those apartments, I bet you can get some drugs, am I right? Get yourself some weekend drugs. Yeah, this is crazy. We usually don't have to look into everybody's face.

I know. It's definitely weird. Let's play a quick recital on our organ. Okay. All right. Jesus lighteth all the world, all of each other. We, be quiet. We'll be like that.

There it was. I can't. I actually, the Catholic guilt is so strong that I'm like, are you seriously sarcastically singing a hymn in a fucking church? Are you out of your mind? You're doubling down on that hell shit right now. That's how you do it. We've been traveling through Europe for fucking months.

It's been quite some time. It has. Based on the smell of the dress I'm wearing right now. Oh my God. I'm so lucky you're down there because the smell is happening. Oh, it's like my, at this point, because also my deodorant broke when we were in Stockholm. And I just didn't make the time to get more.

Did it break or did it just quit? It was like, I can't go under those armpits anymore. Please leave me out of this problem. So when I put the dress on tonight, I was like, this smells like four cats peed on it for angry cats. Angry cat piss is the worst now. It really is. When they're happy, it's different.

It is. It's like pheromones. It's fun. Angry. It's like acid. It's like cat acid under armpits. You can get that at the Hacienda, actually. What's that?

Cat acid? Oh yeah, that's the good shit. Oh, just, I don't know what the rules are actually here, but this is probably the worst angle you could take a picture of us from. Oh yeah. Be kind. Be kind. No photos allowed.

You guys are great. Really? You're ideal. Perfect. Yeah. Yeah. This side is my best. So you guys highly encouraged.

You guys, no, no. No flank pictures. Yeah. Yeah. No flanks. Oh, so anyway. We're just on the wrong side. Yeah.

It's fucking freaking me out. I don't know why we did that. We walked out and landed. Let's go ahead and take a walk. You don't usually see. Now I can be funny. There we go. Oh my God, hi.

I know, right? Finally. And then they're there. And we're all in fucking church together. The fuck? And now we sell you Amway. This is so weird and afternoony. It is.

And this place is haunted from what we've heard. That's right. It used to be, get this, a church. I know, right? But then it was a bar. And then that's why it's haunted is the bar. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Of all the regret. So many corners that got barfed in. Oh, no. Angry ghosts, barfs. Ghosts are bad enough, but when it's the ghost of old barf, it's so... What? What do you have to say? That's true.

That's it. See? And that's what you call improv. She yes, handed me. What I was saying was stupid bullshit and she yes, handed me anyway. Listen, get someone is your height man, no matter what the fuck you're saying. That's right. And you'll just always sound smart.

Get your best. Get your best. You're what? Oh, yeah, I get it. Sorry, I was pandering. They absolutely were not having it whatsoever. It's just like, no. Shit, tough crowd.

They're bunch of Christians. Tough crowd in the daytime. Do you think anyone in here actually was like, oh, it's church. Everyone's going. I'm going to go. And they're sitting here and they're like, when does church start? Why is there a Jewish person on stage? We usually don't allow those in churches.

This is going to be great because my mom, Janet, oh, it's Mother's Day back home. Yeah, in America. Yeah, no, it's fine. Exactly. That's exactly right. It's just a really bummer day for anyone who doesn't have their mom around, doesn't like their mom, you know, many other things. Yeah.

It's just a day for people to put hot photos of their mom from when they were younger on Instagram to prove that they are going to be hot when they're older too. Right. Right. Or that their window of hotness has passed. Oh, yeah. Right. Or like when you're like, oh, I see your features in your mom's face, but your mom, but she,

but your dad probably isn't that hot. Your dad fucked it up. Yeah. You're really, the gene pool shouldn't have. Clearly your dad has a great fucking personality. So congratulations on that as well. And, oh, she said to me, she called me before I left for this trip because we never talked, but when I'm going to leave somewhere in case I die, she has to say, I love you like the

day before. And she said to me, are you going to France? And I was like, no, mom, we're not going to France. She's like, okay, well, if you do, we're not. She can't go off track. She can't improv. No. She's like, I had a fucking point to tell you, and it was, it was fucking political.

And here it is. Yeah. Don't wear a Jewish star when you go to, when you go to France, when you would never leave to go to France. And George is like, well, there's go all my outfits. Everything I've planned is out the fucking window. And you know, it was political, but I couldn't come back and be like, fuck, Trump sucks. It's like, it doesn't really go that way.

Right. But it does. And when I tell her I'm doing a fucking show in a church, oh man, she's going to be pissed and I love it. You're going to be like, mom, I took off my Jewish star, like you said. And then I, then I got baptized in Manchester and can holy be to the father, son, the holy ghost. Right.

I mean, they're not that bad, mom. They're cool guys. They're cool people. And she asked me for a vase. You know, when you're traveling and the thing you want to pack is a fucking vase, I asked her, she wanted anything because I'm obsessed with all your pharmacies. And like, I bought, you guys sell Cody and over the counter. Yeah.

Yeah. Yes. That's a fun Friday night in just fucking sipping some cough syrup. And listen, don't do drugs, but sometimes I fucking back hurts. And regular Tylenol isn't going to cut it. Sometimes you're just bored. There's lots of reasons. Yeah.

How are you? How are you? So how's her? So you went ahead and packed a vase. So I went and bought a vase for her because she is my mom. She controls you. I haven't had enough therapy yet to get over her. We'll get there.

We'll get there. Okay. Oh, I have pockets in my dress. Oh yeah. Thank you. Tell them the story of this fine dress. When I bought it? No.

The part about your tits. Oh, right. Well, well, so I got this dress for our Los Angeles show that we posted the other day. And, oh, thanks. Did you like it? And I was with the ghosts and it's barf. When I wore it in Los Angeles, when I first put it on, I was like, whoa, that's very plunging neckline.

And then all the father and son, the Holy Ghost showed up and they were like, you better cover that fucking up right now. You will burn. So in Los Angeles, I wore a slip with it when we got here our first night in Dublin. Right. It was pretty fun. I opened up my suitcase. I forgot to bring my slip.

I was just like, oh, fuck it, who cares at this point? I just turned 48. These aren't going to get any higher. I might as well show them off while they're still up here in some way. I agree. Let's get those podcast numbers up. Let's get sex cells, everybody. So tits up podcast numbers up.

It works that way. It's our new Elvis is out. Two tits are in. I'm sorry. Disembodied. What? No, I'm just saying. For 2019, I'm just saying.

Oh, no. It's a pitch. We have to have a mascot. Why not my two disembodied breasts? Sure. Elvis will retire or he'll move to the broadcast. Should we sit down? Yeah.

Oh, man. It's going to be hard not to fucking flash you guys. Do you think Oasis ever sat in these chairs? Oasis sat in these chairs for sure. And they said, get us different chairs. They said separate these chairs immediately. We saw that super hands is going to be here soon. Oh my God.

He's playing. Everyone looks shocked. Did he already play? I don't know. Or did he do something scandalous and we're not supposed to talk? Oh, he's good. Okay. Okay.

He's good. Because that just keeps fucking happening. Everyone's a pedophile. Oh, I can't say that word in here. Allegedly, allegedly. Allegedly. I think this is the place to say it the most, actually. If we're going to be honest, look, we're going to be honest, which is what we're all about.

Let's get honest. Can we go into our pedophile chunk? Get ready. We got a tight eight up top about pedophiles. It's not funny. It's more like a lesson. You'll learn something. It gets weird.

It gets happy. I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I just wanted to say this is the podcast, my favorite murder, by the way. Speaking of. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. The daytime podcast.

The daytime. This is just, we just don't want any vampires to come. We're going to be in a church. We're in Manchester. It's an old fucking town. For every single person in this room, this is normal nighttime. And they're just like, why can't they fucking get over it? The sun doesn't set very quickly here.

We're real used to it. Yeah. It's not a big deal, Americans. But it is when you're sitting in front of all these people. It is. It's so much easier when it's all dark and you're like, oh, they're just one big noise. Yeah. Like I can see what you're wearing over there.

Yeah. I can see that you're all wearing, you're all naked. I can see that your arms are crossed, which I don't appreciate such negative body language from you. If you're not a like, if you're not a Laffer or a motor, you're going to need to do it tonight because we need it. Otherwise this is going to go poorly. In fact, feet off of you.

When you laugh, it would be great. That wouldn't happen again. That sounded a lot like a laughing though. It did. That would work. When you laugh, if you could do like jazz hands. Yeah. Yeah.

Definitely. Please don't. That would be so weird. If you're new to this podcast and someone just dragged you along because you were not busy during the day. Apologies. So sorry. Oh, that's why you look like that.

You're just like. What? We'll win you over. What is this cult? You're the only one. Like I didn't want to join a cult. I said I wanted to go to the movies. It's kind of like a movie.

I love it. It's great. Don't worry about it. It is like a movie. It's a, this is a true crime comedy podcast, which isn't the most ideal combination in certain places. Try telling that to your cab driver. That's right.

Or your customs agent when you're crossing the border. Dude, we didn't even think about it. And then when we landed in Ireland, we had to get to customs. And then the guy says, what is the purpose of your visit here? And then we're like, well, we're here to podcast. And then he's like, what's the name of your podcast? I thought we were going to get arrested because he didn't know what podcasting was. Maybe.

So then Georgia tells him the name of the podcast and instead of being like offended or grossed out or calling the manager or whatever would happen. He goes, all right, there was an American girl come through here. I can't do the accent to you. Sorry. You're doing it. So I can do the accent in America and I think I'm all good at it. And then here I just like, I'm already flop sweating this accent so hard.

I've never, I've never heard you like back out of it so many times on this trip. I'm very intimidated by all of Great Britain. I just love your television so much. This is like amazing for you. I subscribed to fucking acorn. That's how much I love British TV. That's American app for. They didn't like it.

I should have said BBC America. I should have said BBC America. Yeah. And he said, oh, so instead of having any kind of a native group negative reaction, he goes, oh yeah, an American girl come through here on Friday. She told me all about it. And then last night that you hear a yell from the audience. Don't do it, but we hear she's right here.

That's our sister grass roots campaigning for us all across. Then we invited him to the podcast and he couldn't cut the show and he couldn't come. He couldn't come or wouldn't. And he called his manager. And I'm nervous because I don't remember where we put our murders. Is this one mine or is this one yours? Oh, right. Oh, that's right.

I'm going to look at the last page because I won't know. Nope. Wait. Yes. Now I can't remember. How many pages long is this? Is the name Higgin Bottom in yours? No.

Okay. Then this is mine. Then this one's mine. What if there was a Higgin Bottom in each of our murders tonight? That'd be so fucking nuts. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Now I remember. I added Higgin Bottom. Mr. Higgin Bottom last minute. It's fine. He's not a big part of the story. I didn't ruin it. I'm mopping it. My water up that I spit everywhere with this.

He's not a key player. It's not. That's why I didn't know my own story. It's fine. Everyone's fine. This is the horrifying tale of Dale Higgin Bottom. No. It's never happened.

Yay. Yay. Yeah. I think so. I think we're, should we do our murders? I mean, here's the thing. Yeah. I would just like to say this.

Normally, when we record this podcast, it's me and Georgia. Hi. And Steven. What if he just started playing the organ from somewhere and he like flew in. He's a vampire organ player. Wow. That's the best kept secret in broadcasting. Steven's a vampire.

Oh my God. I can see it. It's always the least expected, most mustachioed friends. Yep. You can't trust a millennial. They're always vampires. They're always vampires. That's true.

So yeah, instead of like normally it's us, some cats, a couch, recording in a quiet loft in Georgia's apartment. Unless someone's playing tennis outside in which case we're like, fuck, what do we do? Right. But now it's noon in a fucking church. On a fucking Sunday. And everyone's eyes look three times bigger than they actually are because we can see your faces.

I can see the entire. I never wished for like poor vision before in my life. Yeah. I actually have very poor vision, but it came into very clear view all of a sudden. Like now it's like I'm an owl. I'm in a panic owl situation. I'm just like, oh no. Thank you for uncrossing your arms.

That's really nice. She did it. She did it. She wanted to show that she cared about me. Yeah. All you gotta do is pick on someone in front of another couple hundred people and they'll do whatever you tell them to do. Some on-mic bullying will get people to put their arms wherever you fucking ask them to.

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Do what you can. Have a couple extra beers on us. I mean, from us. I mean, near us. About us. Around. Toward us. Right.

But I can also see the two empty seats over there and when those motherfuckers are in here. Ooh, they're going to get it because I can see, I'm going to see everything. They're tattoos that they've been crying because they're fighting on their way over here, which is why they're late. I mean, I'm trying to think of what a great prank would be if they walked in and sat down and then all of us did something together. The yell, hig and bottom at the same time. But don't yell it until their butts hit the seats.

They're like, sneak in real quiet. They'll scream, hig and bottom, but you have to remember to do it. Only four people do it. All right. Pick yourselves, pick which one. I go first tonight, right? You do. Yes.

Karen went first last night. This is how this goes. And so I go first tonight. Can I just tell you? Yeah. I made a grave error last night. I decided. Let's have a picture.

So you were at the show. Oh, they're nodding. London. Huge fucking theater. Humongous theater. And I did Jack the Ripper. And as I was talking, I was just like, everyone in this audience knows this murder so much better than me.

And they're mentally correcting me. Right? Exactly. You did great, they said. You can't lie in church. Sorry. I was not fishing for compliments, but no, that was actually hilarious because they were also trying to do it like not hecklers.

They were just like, yeah. Manchester Sign Language. Thank you. Actually, from my, from here, I was thought you were like this. Fuck off. You fucked it up. Let it go. Oh, sorry.

No, this, I love it. I also, I want to say this, but then I'm afraid I'm going to tip yours. But don't you, while we were on stage last night, the famous serial killer, Dennis Nelson died while we were on stage. Yeah. I think the power of murder, our, our family has killed him. Yes. Of our family discussion about murder killed that man.

Yeah. There were people rolling up into that VIP meet and greet like, we have the best news for you. That's pretty great. It was so awesome. Okay. Sorry. Okay.

Okay. Here we go. Feel free to stop me at any time. Okay. If you think of anything. Oh, thank you so much. Okay, I'm going to tell you the story of the first woman executed at Manchester strange ways prison, Mary Ann, Britland.

Oh, a bad lady. That was a mouthful. Their friend guessed it. Huh. Or is her ghost over there? Strange ways is right over there. I think I, I think I mentioned her. Don't.

What? No, you two are in trouble. You're sitting in those seats in the dark. People can gesture all they want. We have no idea that they're doing it. Stop pointing over there. I see, I see everything about you. Okay.

All right. I'm going to tell you guys the story of this girl's great, great, great aunt. What? Good. So I'm going to tell you how. Okay. Mary Ann, Britland was born in 1847 in Bolton, Lancashire. No.

Lancashire. Lancashire. Lancashire. She, at the age of 19, she marries a dude named Thomas Britland that he's a domestic servant. They live in a small house on Turner Lane in Ashton under line. Okay. Great.

That's the mayor. Hi. Thank you so much for being here tonight. So they have two daughters named Elizabeth Hannah and Susanna. That's three names though. I know. Elizabeth Hannah is the first daughter. Got it, got it.

She hates her name. By the time Mary Ann's children are in their teens, she's in their late 30s. She's got two jobs working all day in a factory, and then she works at night as a barmaid in the local pub house. So probably not the fucking coolest life ever, right? And her feet hurt. Her feet are killing her. Yeah.

She's tired, but she also sucks because everything began in, for this story, on February, in February of 1886, she, Mary notices that her family home has been infested with mice. So she did what any person in the 1800s would do at that time and went to the town chemist and bought a shit ton of rat poison, a mice poison. I don't know. Is there a difference? It just comes in a little bottle. Cute.

Mice poison. Specifically, she bought a packet of Harrison's Vermin Killer. That's what it was called, and I like the name, which contained both Strychnine and arsenic. Great. Mm-hmm. They were really already onto, like, the, we know that you're poisoning each other game because they had a poison register to be like, we know.

So poisoning got so popular by this time. I think so. That they were like... They didn't have a poison register, but the poison. Best of luck. You say you have rats, eh? All right. Mr. Higginbotham.

So, and she signed her real name, which I'm sure, like, they didn't ask for ID back then, right? So that probably meant that she didn't have any intention of killing anyone, one would think. But at some point during the next month, she was like, wait a minute, I hate some people. And more than mice, let's see what can happen. So in March, 1886, our friend Elizabeth Hanna, she's the eldest daughter, she's 19 years old, and she dies unexpectedly.

The cause of death is given as natural causes as most 19-year-olds fucking do. Although it was back when you had to work all day and night. It's right. Yeah. That's right. And... That's historical knowledge right there for you. Ask me anything, AMA, about the past.

And Mary Ann claims the 10-pound life insurance on Elizabeth's life, that would be 900 pounds today or for you, Karen, $1,000. Ooh, now I understand, $1,000. So not a ton of money. Mary must have been like, this is fucking great, I'm gonna do this again because two months later on March 3rd, 1886, Mary goes and pays the pre... She doesn't seem very smart. Sorry, no offense to your family line.

She goes and pays the premium on her husband's insurance, and on her way home basically is like, I'm gonna fucking kill him because within a couple days, he's dead. Thomas Britland, he's 44, he's found dead, he's diagnosed with... His death is diagnosed as epilepsy, and again, she claims the 10-pound insurance on him. As an epileptic, can you dive up epilepsy? You can, but it's... I was told you can't. Well, someone lied to you.

I'm kind of holding on to that pretty tightly. Well, it said, don't worry, it says only really happens when children and old people. So it's... I just turned 48. Fuck. I guess, yeah, I guess 44 is pretty old back then probably, right? Yeah, it's pretty... They were like, he died of old age.

Yeah. Back then, I was like, Jesus, that guy made it to 44. And then now the neighbors are like, hold up, there's something going on, and they do what they do. What neighbors do is they start gossiping. Yeah. Of course they do, because they're like, two deaths in two months, that seems weird. It does, though.

It does seem weird. They're right to gossip. They are, and it turns out that Mary had been having an affair with her neighbor, his... I know. You guys don't have that here? Ooh, it's like, this is what we came for. They were smooching. They were totally Frenching under the stairs.

There, can I do this? Mm. Thank you. That's how the neighbors were gossiping in the street. She goes like this, and he goes like this. Mm-mm-mm. Okay. So, that was the wrong...

Okay. All right. But, but, but... That got dirty fast. Yeah. His name, the dude she's looking up with is also named Thomas, because every guy back then was named Thomas, I guess. Sure.

Yeah. It's easier. It is. They're mostly meeting clandestinely at night, and Mary works in a pub at night, so it's not that weird that she's like, you know, gone all night. Yeah. She's like, I'm sorry, I have to run back to the make-out room really quick. I'll be right back.

Oh, shit. I meant the... Okay. So, Elizabeth's daughter is threatened when the now deceased daughter, Elizabeth Hannah, she had turned 18, so she could go to the pubs and shit, and like, maybe she was fucking catching them hooking up and like, not happy about it. So, they were trying to be more discreet, but a few times, she was sure that Elizabeth had seen them together.

And so, she was thinking that Elizabeth was going to tell her father, so she did the only thing she could think of doing, and she killed her daughter. It's not a solution. No. No. I mean, it is, but it's not the best one. Okay, you're right. It's one option, but there's so many others.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, she's like, well, I also hate sneaking around behind my husband's back, so I'm going to kill him. So, that's what happened. That's why they're dead. That's the problem with easy solutions like that, then you just keep going back to the same thing over and over. Like, for instance, the only thing left in Mary's way is her lover, Thomas' 29-year-old

wife. Oh, shit. Also named Mary. So, Thomas and Mary live across the street from Thomas and Mary, and Mary is looking up when Mary's husband, Tom, is. How do those gossips keep track of what they're saying? I don't know. Like, let's get original people.

That's when all the nickname stuff started. And then they're just like, Tommy, Ryan, their name with some weird thing. Yeah. I remember last night, my nickname that I made up, that everyone booed. It was bad. It was bad. I'm not telling you guys. Tell them.

No. They won't react that way because they'll know that it scared us and upset us. We were joking around and making up dumb nicknames based on what your husband's job is. One of the victims of Jack the Ripper was. Oh, Sivvy. They lived with a guy that made wire sits, so they called her Mary Sivvy or Annie Sivvy. Something just horrible.

Then Georgia's like, well, what if my nickname is based on Vince, who's our tour manager. So she called herself Georgia Tory, but not like that. I know. Don't boo me. We told you not to boo us and we can see your face is making the boo face twice as bad as normal booing, daytime booing is the worst booing. So Mary, the 20, the young wife, Mary is like, oh my God, I feel so bad for the other Mary, for all the people dying in her family, and she's like, older murderer, Mary, come live,

come stay with us. No. We'll take care of you for a couple of weeks while you grieve. No. Yes. That was her idea. Yeah. Mary.

She's like, I know, honey. So a couple of weeks after Thomas' death, killer Mary, no, no, no, young Mary is like, killer Mary, come over, like Thomas is going to be gone. Come over, let's hang out, we'll have some rosé, we'll like sing in the hairbrushes. We'll gossip about the other people on the street and how much they gossip. They didn't tell me anything and it really would have helped me out if they had told me what was going on. So they make dinner and everything, and then they part ways and the following morning,

May 14th, 1886, Thomas comes home, the live Thomas comes home around 10 a.m. and he finds his wife. We'll assume that people come home, if they come home, they're living. Yes. Yes. Okay. From now on in the story. I don't know, man.

Didn't you, didn't Jesus just come back? Couple days ago. Come on, hear me now. Hear. Didn't your bro come back? Okay. Living Thomas comes home. Comes home, finds his wife sick and dying.

Oh no. She dies. Sorry. I know, it sucks. So Mary was like, great, now that the other Mary is gone, I can, the other Thomas is going to be like stoked and come marry me. I'm so excited about this. The live Thomas gets 29 pounds from the death of his wife and she's like, okay, I'm going

to hang out right here and wait for him to come marry me and instead the fucking police come because the neighbors are like, well, okay, wait a minute. This is no coincidence. This is bad for our street. Yeah. People just keep dying of rat poison. Over on Thomas, is it Thomas street? It's Thomas and Mary Lane.

Turner Lane, in Ashton underline, okay. Symptoms. Nearest. Okay. So they're like, this is crazy. Let's call the cops. The cops are like, great. Let's fucking exhume the bodies, which they do.

And then, is your name Lindsay? Yeah, is that your name? Okay. In her email, she says, my favorite thing about this whole case was in a Times article my mom found about the trial where the pathologist gave details to the court about how he tested the victim's stomach contents by tasting them. No. Thank you.

Like that was my favorite part. Wait, what if- Isn't it crazy that she's up there? But what if that's just gossip? It's the best gossip. It runs in her family. No, Mary doesn't gossip. She kills people.

Oh. Everyone else hear gossips, right? Now they're mad. No. They've been mad for a long time at me. Tasting stomach contents. Uh-huh. All right.

And he's like, that tastes like lethal amounts of strychnine and arsenic. It's just like a bowl of roasted almonds in there. Can you- Oh, gross. Gross. So, Mary Britland and Thomas Dixon are brought in for questioning. It's said that Mary confesses immediately, but it sounds weird because later she denies it.

But she said that she murdered her daughter because she thought her daughter suspected her of having an affair. Then she killed her husband. Then Mary, like for the reasons I just told you. Duh-duh-duh-duh-duh. Okay. Okay. The trial starts and it's just only against Mary Dixon's murder because I think they

just would pick one and do it. They could only taste one stomach content full of- Yeah. The doctor died when he tried to find out what the other person died of. He died of being grossed out. And pretty quickly, this dude Thomas is acquitted. They don't think he had anything to do with it at all. Which some people in history are like, I'm sorry, that doesn't seem right, you know.

And let's see. So Susanna Britland, the younger daughter, testifies against her mom emotionally. She said she had heard Mr. Dixon say that he wished he had a wife like Mary, which he did have a wife named Mary. What more do you want? I mean, they can't have been that different. Right? Is that how that worked?

He is a type, but then when he goes to have an affair, it's just some person that he's just not attracted to in any way. And let's see. And she also says that she had heard her dad pissed off that this dude, the neighbor Thomas used to come over all the time. So she was like, they were probably fucking. Right in court, she said? And they ate.

Can you believe it? And she said she knew the remice in the house, but she didn't know anything about the purchase of any mass powder. So I don't know what that means. And her mom didn't come and I'm like, I've taken care of everything with my right. The thing I'm only going to use for one reason. That's right. And none other.

So in the end, there's insufficient evidence that Dixon had anything to do with it. And he's acquitted, but they find Mary guilty on all charges and she sentenced to be hanged. And she says, I am quite innocent. I am not guilty at all. But apparently she actually fucking loses her shit when she like, she just kind of breaks down. And part of the reason I think, and I read it somewhere else that she just like, wouldn't it was only three weeks until they hanged her.

And she was wouldn't eat and she was just screaming and praying. But apparently her prison cell was just like right there from the gallows. So she just hung out and stare for three fucking weeks at the place she was going to be hanging. And they did that on purpose. I think so too. And they said it was in the like men's prison area because they'd never hanged a woman before. So I'm sure it wasn't fun there. Oh God, those other prisoners hated her guts.

Yeah. Shut up. So Maryam, Britland was hanged three weeks later at Strangeways prison on August 9th, 1886. She had to be forcibly carried to the gallows and held over the trapdoor. And they like had a, she like couldn't stand or anything, so they just, boop, I know. It's awful. I mean, it makes sense.

Yeah. They should have said, they should have been like, oh no, you're just going to come over here really quick for a pint. It'll be fun. Just, just follow me. Use your legs. Who among us wouldn't be losing our shit? And she said, her last words were Lord forgive me, I must have been mad.

So the corner seems like, you know, I keep hitting myself in the face with this microphone. And since I can see everything you're saying and doing, you can probably see that I'm doing that. Okay. And then there's a chick named Cassie Britland. She has, she started a blog called archives and arsenic because she was, it's a journalism school in Sydney, Australia, and they were like, look up your family and write some shit about your family.

And she was like, okay. And then she was like, oh shit, this person was my like great, great aunt or whatever. So you have a cousin in, in fucking Sydney. So she's like researching it. She like came here and went to all the spots and took photos and she's writing a book about it. She hasn't updated her blog since 2017, so I hope she's okay. But I get it.

Man, those blogs. They're hard to keep up with. They're hard to keep up with. They just never end. That's the thing about blogs. They don't. There's no end to it. She says, so then she was like, I, she's trying to find out what happened for real and what

happened to this daughter, Susanna. And so she looked her up. She found that she had married a man named James Higginbottom. There he is. There he is. Whitworth is his last name. Sorry. And in 1896, and then he had died 10 years later, so Susanna hadn't had any children and

she was widowed. And then she was like, I couldn't find any more information about her. There was a 2011 census and she wasn't counted in it. And then she did, but she, she did, so she did all this research and it turns out here in 2011, nope, 1911. I was going to say. She's a vampire. You were going to say, I wish you had, because I could have just kept going.

So in 1911, but I was the one that called Whitechapel White Castle last night. So who am I to say really, who am I to say what year anything is or what the name of anything is. So it turns out that here in Manchester in 1911, all the suffragists were like, yeah, we can't vote, then you can't fucking count us. And they hid during the census and wouldn't allow anyone to count them. So there's like no record of all these women during that time. And since she was a widow with no children, she didn't have a husband to be like, like

I guess a lot of the husbands turned their wives in and made them do it. So like the point that we want, why we want to vote, you know, like you're just kind of fucking proved like our point. So she did this girl, Cassie did find a date of death for a woman named Susanna Britlyn in 1932. So that's probably her. We're going to pretend she was a suffragist because that's awesome. Yeah.

That's that'd be a good, that's good for the movie. Yeah, exactly. And that's the story of Mary Ann Britlyn, the first woman executed at Manchester Strange Ways Prison. Wow. Thank you. That was good. That was good.

The story of the suffragettes hiding from the census takers makes me think of when we were in, I think this was in Stockholm. They told us this story afterwards because I did, I did the story of the serial killer Thomas Quick, who it starts out in the beginning of it, it starts out, he just, he realizes he's gay when he's like 14. And at the time in Sweden, that was, they considered that as like a psychological issue. And in the meet and greet afterwards, a woman told us that the way they changed that law in the seventies, that gay people started calling in gay to work.

And they just, they're like, Oh, so you think this is a six? Well, then I can't come to work because I'm sick with gayness. It's not the best. They turned it around. I fucking, I was, that's other, that's another part of doing these live shows that's so frustrating is we know as we tell these stories, there's people sitting in the audience, like, I just want to tell you this one thing, I swear to God, I'll be worth it. Okay, my story tonight is Trevor Hardy, the beast of Manchester.

And it is bad. And I'd never heard it before. And so Steven, when we go on these trips, Steven finds a bunch of ideas for us. So he'll send us both because we can't know what the other person's doing is part of the fun of it. And part of it, that means is that we ask, we say, Steven, can I do this murder? And if he says no, that means you know what the other person's doing. So he has to give us, poor guy, has to give us each a list of different murders.

Yeah, like, he tries to do like eight maybe or whatever per place that we go to. So we pay him. We pay him. We do. We pay him, handsome Lee. So on this one, this was on the list. And I think that I don't know this for a fact because I haven't talked to him, but I think the reason that he found this is because just last month, there's this incredible article

that was written for real crime. And it's by a person named Abby Bentham. It's ABY. So I'm pronouncing it Abby, it might be AB, but. And the article is called Manchester's Forgotten Monster. And it was basically all about how this story never really made it to the press in the way it should have, because the things that this man did were so incredibly atrocious and terrifying. And yet he just kind of got lost to history.

I feel like if the press is like, we can't write about that, then it's really fucking bad. No, you know what it was? His crimes fell within the five year range of the Yorkshire Ripper. So she actually, or he, they, I should say, because I don't know who this person is, but they talk about it in the article that it's really interesting. And they talk about the media's concept of the ideal victim, like what they think the best thing is to write about.

And it's a thing that we kind of deal with a lot, where it's like, what is the story, what's the story that's most interesting? How are we going to tell a story that's the most interesting? And so in the media, the ideal victim is either very young or very old, they're very innocent, they live this life. And that's why when you have marginalized murder, but the murders of marginalized people, sex workers, you know, people that people can judge as they read the story and go, oh, well, then they were asking for it if that happened to them, then the press won't report

on it as much because it's not giving everybody that salacious like, oh my God, this horrible thing happened. Which is really one of the more fucked up things about the media and about true crime reporting that I think now that so many people are so interested in true crime and participating in it, I think it's the thing that it's going to change or hopefully will be changing soon. So anyway, because you know, head mic, then I put my Eurovision head mic on and start Ted talking to all of you. I got all of that from this article soon, none of that.

I mean, I know just the experience that you and I have had, because there were people that were really met for a long time, like in the beginning, there were stories that we didn't do and it's because they were so fraught like the Grim Sleeper in Los Angeles is a man who basically in South Central Los Angeles, which is predominantly African-Americans, he killed women there for 25 fucking years. And not only did nobody talk about it and not only was there no media reporting on it at all, but the police, when these murders would happen, they had like a nickname for the victims where it was just like, it was basically, I can't remember what it was off

hand, but it's just like, these people don't matter. I think with the less dead, no, that was something else. But I mean, it's just that there's an old way, I think there's an old procedure within the police and the media of this idea that when they're reporting about these people, these aren't human beings. And I think that's the thing that's changing. And that's the thing that everyone's realizing is that kind of bias and judgment is what's keeping fucking serial killers free to roam the planet because they're just saying, oh,

it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter that all of these people have been murdered. So there will be a quiz later, anyway, anyway, Trevor Hardy, okay, Trevor Hardy was born in Manchester at June 11th, 1945. By the time he's eight years old, he appears in court for stealing, actually in front of a fucking judge, an eight-year-old, think of the average eight-year-old that you know going to court to be like, not guilty, your honor, not guilty. And that appearance in court didn't scare him straight because then he was arrested

after committing a series of 20 burglaries and he made the record at the age of 15 as being the youngest person ever to be sent to strange ways prison. Oh, good for him. Isn't that precious? And that's how he beat a bunch of inmates up and shit, too. Yeah, that's right. Just fucking kicking people in the shins, threatening to steal people's bikes all over the prison.

Okay, so this begins his lifelong journey of crime. The other thing about the story is because they didn't report on it, there's not that much information. There's nothing I would love more than to find out what the fuck was going on with this guy. I mean, he may have been one of those people that was born a psychopath or at least a sociopath because he just starts so early and it's so bad so early. So his first crime, it's in 1972, and he gets into a fight with his friend Stanley O'Brien.

They're at a pub having drinks. They get into a fight and he attacks Stanley with a pickaxe. What? Do pups have pickaxe in the way around? They're like, there's like an umbrella stand at the front door and then of course you can put your pickaxe right over there. They're not even like easy to carry around. And it's also like maybe in the 1800s I could see a pickaxe stand, but this is 1970, I don't

think they have those anymore. Unless it was like hung up on the wall for decoration and then he's like, are you fucking kidding me? Oh, you really, really, you think that? It just rips down the decoration. Yeah. It's a pickaxe that was like on a wreath anyway. So he fucking attacks his friend with a pickaxe in a pub.

He's sentenced to five years for assault at the Isle of Whites Albany Jail. The judge tells him when he sentences him that he's a menace to society. He's like, dude, I know. I've been doing this since I was eight. Can I remind you a pickaxe at a pub? A pickaxe. No shit. So while he's in prison, he starts planning the murders of both Stanley.

So he's like, he thinks Stanley has double crossed him. So he's like, I'm going to kill Stanley and I'm also going to kill. So he had, like they use the word girlfriend, I don't know, a 14 year old named Beverly Driver. Oh. Wait, how old is he again? He, in 1972, let's see, he's born in 45 and it's 1972. So he is, and I quote, 28, I said, 28.

Did you guys, yeah, so he's going out with, or he's likes a girl half his age, literally. Yeah. Okay. So while he's in jail, Beverly has to write him a letter like on binder paper that says basically I found a boy my own age to date and my 14 year old pedophile. And my parents say I can't date a pedophile. So there's such assholes, yeah. Black eyeliner.

Yeah. Yes. Yeah. So she basically has to write him a dear John letter in, it's about to say in church. You are going to hell for sure. All better. So she writes him that letter and so basically he's furious. It sounds like he's always furious.

So he starts planning the murders of Stanley and Beverly and that's his thing when he gets out of prison, so he's sentenced to five years, he's like, when I'm out of here, I'm going to go home, I'm going to kill both of them. Well, luckily two years later he is released from prison and he later told the police that on his, the train ride home, after his release, he said, I sat on the train saying, oh, Brian and Beverly over and over again. That's what I did on the train over here today. I was like, what's happening?

Just rocking back and forth. I ate a sandwich. Brian and then I said it again. Well, so he, when he gets home, his parents tell him that, oh, we're so sorry, your friend Stanley O'Brien has died. Shut up. Yes. And he's fucking livid.

Oh my God. Of course. He's livid. You got what you wanted, dude. But that's not, he wanted to do it. It was his idea. I didn't really do it. Okay, so he moves on to his plan to kill 14-year-old Beverly and his plan is he's going to go

over to his, to Beverly's house and throw an axe through her window. I don't think it's going to work. It's not the most accurate way to do it. It's definitely medieval, but it's not. You know what I'm going to say. It's not accurate. Really? I was right.

Applause. Yes. Let them have it. They need this, I bet this is about to get really bad. It's going to be awful. Okay. We all enjoyed ourselves. Okay.

That's nice. Okay. So it's New Year's Eve 1974 and Trevor goes to Beverly's house to throw an axe toward her, but he can't find her. And while he's like walking around looking for her, he sees a girl get out of a car that he thinks is Beverly, but sadly it is actually 15-year-old Leslie Stewart. He ambushes Leslie, he stabs her in the throat, then he takes her body to a clay pit in Newton Heath and he buries her in a shallow grave, but first he decapitates her and throws her

head in a lake. So this isn't just like the spurned lover type of thing. This guy's super fucking nuts. Then he starts to worry after he does that, that her body might be discovered. So he keeps going back to the grave site and basically desecrating the body, thinking if he buries the different parts in different places, it'll get less likely that she'll be identified. Oh my God.

Yeah. It's horrifying. And he also at one point, one of those trips going back, he steals her ring and he gives it to his girlfriend. No. Yeah. And then he gets plastered. So because of the way he attacked Leslie, there was no evidence.

It was just like all of a sudden she disappeared on New Year's Eve. So there was no proof of any crime or wrongdoing. So her parents just had her listed as a missing person. And she remained that way for two full years with no one knowing what happened. And I'm sure back then, because it's 1974, the cops were like, she ran away and she'll be back. Okay. She went and partied.

Okay. So then a little over six months after Leslie's murder, 17-year-old Wanda Scala is walking home after finishing a night at work as barmaid at the Light Bone Hotel. She's 400 yards away from home, which is sickening. And Trevor Hardy tries to mug her. He tries to steal her purse. Of course, she fucking fights back. She starts screaming.

He sees that there's people that heard her scream, so he pulls her around the corner and starts hitting, like attacking her with a brick, basically. And he takes the purse, like she falls, of course, she's hurt terribly, takes her purse, he starts to run away. Then he realizes she can identify him because she's seen him. So he goes back and he beats her with a paving stone, he strangles her, and sorry, this is really, really fucking bad. And there's a thing we once said on this podcast, because it's so awful and sensitive.

We said once, leave the eyes and the boobies alone. But he does not fucking do that, and it's really horrible. And this is also a weird thing, because he basically, he's like a frenzy killer. So as he goes back and he starts attacking her, he's strangling her, and he bites off her nipples. And then he pulls out her eyes. Yeah, it's awful. He leaves her mutilated body partially buried at a construction site, and he takes her bloody

clothes, her purse, and her shoes as a trophy and leaves. There is, in this article, they say that there's a cop, a retired cop, who had to be there. And the cop tells a story that when they got there, they were, all the cops were told that they had to search the construction site to try to find the eyes. They were buried in her abdomen. What? Yeah. I wonder if anything like this has ever happened in this church.

Just the worst fucking thing. Well, that's why I think all the bartenders just walked out and quit their job. And then they went on strike. Yeah, no, this guy is the worst. So two days later, he takes her shoes, goes back to the construction site, and leaves them there to fucking taunt the cops. Right. Yeah.

So, because he's a legit psychopath, he then, a couple days later, is drinking with his brother, Colin, and he starts to brag to him that he's the one that killed Wanda and tells his brother how he did it. When they get home, he realizes Colin might tell on him. No. He's one of these people that does shit and then thinks about it afterwards, which drives me crazy. So then he's like, afterwards, he's like, oh, you can't fucking tell on me.

And then he beats his brother until he is unconscious to like, you know, put the fear of God in him, not to fucking tell on him. But why'd you tell him? Right. Because he's like a drunken bragging. He should beat yourself up. If only. If only.

So his brother, the next day, even though he's scared of his clearly lunatic criminal brother, calls the cops anyway. So Trevor Hardy's arrested under suspicion of murder because the Manchester police are like, oh, oh, you think pickaxe, boy? Okay. Yeah. We're with that. That adds up.

That makes sense. When they have him in custody, they test his saliva against the saliva that was found on Wanda's body. It's a match. Then with his dental records, they match the bite marks on her body to his dental records. But for some reason, that's not enough to hold him. How did I know that he wasn't going to be held? Because I have two more pages of this fucking shit left.

Always like this. Because also, Trevor has a girlfriend named Sheila Farrow. She's a divorcee who's 10 years older than him. No judgments. I'm 10 years older than everyone I know. And a divorcee. That's a fun life. She shows up at the police station and gives him an alibi.

She's like, oh, he was with me. It's not him. Yeah. Sheila take a bow. So this story is published in several newspapers. Okay. This is gossip, basically, because there's a dental expert or whatever that was kind of saying, yeah, I don't think that's true.

But the story is that while he is in custody, the way he beat that dental record thing, this is the creepiest, is that Sheila smuggled a file into jail for him, and he filed his teeth into points. Shut up. Okay. No, no, no. That means keep going. Holy shit.

Yeah. I mean, that is that alone. But I also think that's that kind of thing. That's gossip. That basically reflects how scared people in Manchester were. There's a fucking lunatic, horrible serial killer out on the loose, and once they find out who it is, it's just like, okay, well, he's a monster. It's that idea that it's so much easier to believe that werewolves kill people instead

of that no monsters are actually human people that live next door to you. Okay. That's a fun thing to take over tonight. Eight months later, on March 5th, 1976, Trevor Hardy attacks 21-year-old Christian Campbell. He accuses her of kissing his girlfriend, Sheila, and he attacks her so viciously. He tries to strangle her to death, and at one point, she bites part of her own tongue off, like fighting him and in the beating, but she actually gets away from him and escapes. So now, yes, it's awesome.

And the cool thing is, she knows who he is, so he has to go on the run. So he's on the lam, sleeping in abandoned houses. He's basically tried to disappear himself, and he's gone back to burglary to keep himself alive because he doesn't have any money anywhere to stay. But unfortunately, during one of these break-ins is when he kills his next victim. So 18-year-old Sharon Mosoff is on her way home after an office party, and she comes upon Trevor Hardy trying to break into the marble mill. And he sees her, realizes that she's a witness, and he stabs her with a screwdriver.

And then basically, in that, the beginning of the killing, of course, goes into his fucking frenzy and does the same thing to her, strangles her with their own tights, bites off her nipples. Then he throws her body into the Rochdale Canal. Afterwards, again, he becomes so paranoid afterwards that the dental, the bite marks, he'll be able to be identified by them. This canal is partially frozen, and he jumps into it to then desecrate her body even more. She ends up having 64 slashes and stab wounds in the canal.

He's a monster. Her body's discovered the next day. So he actually escapes, captures her for six more weeks. But meanwhile, the police have started surveilling Sheila Farrow. So on April 23, 1976, she goes to a house on Wellington Road in Stockport, and they find Trevor Hardy there, and they arrest him. I know, fucking. So she basically ends up recanting the fucking alibi that she gave for him the night of Wanda's

murder. Yeah, bitch. And once he finds out that she's recanted and they basically have him, he writes a 40-page confession letter and details the murders of Wanda Scala, Sharon Moshe, and then to the surprise of the police, Leslie Stewart. I bet it's a great writer. I bet it's just well written and well thought out and punctuated correctly. Really nice handwriting.

In court, he tries to claim that he's mentally abnormal, which I don't disagree. I don't disagree. But clearly, he's not mentally incapacitated. He knew exactly what he was doing the whole time. So he wants to get manslaughter because he says he's mentally incapacitated, and that's what the judge did. No. No.

The judge giggled like a girl. Oh, good. I thought you might give him manslaughter. No, no, no. Okay. The judge, Manchester Crown Court, was like, immediately was like, a guffuck yourself forever. Of course, at one point, Trevor Hardy fires his own legal team, which is what every serial killer psychopath does, because they think they're smarter than everybody.

And it doesn't matter, because on May 2nd, 1978, Trevor Hardy is sentenced to life in Wakefield Prison for triple murder. Yeah, it's good news. In 2008, he's asked to be released. Wait, he's still alive in 2008? No. Yeah. In 2008, he was still alive.

He had served 30 years, and that was the minimum sentence. What did he look like? Did he look crazy? No. What did he look like? I can't think of... There's like a character actor that he definitely looks like, but he has like a little mustache. Okay.

And he's kind of balding, but he has like a widow's peak. Is it greasy? A little bit, yeah. I think I've seen him. He kind of looks like a waiter that would creep you out. Yeah. Is it like, he looks like Pee Wee Herman as a waiter? No, because he's stockier than that.

Oh, okay. And there was something mentioned in the article about how he was a five foot six. Like, that's attributing to what he was doing. He's all mad that he's five foot six, and I don't know. That doesn't seem that short to me, but yeah, so essentially he asks, he's like, okay, I've done the 30 years. He's not plenty. And they're like, no fuck you forever.

His plea is rejected. And on September 23rd, 2012, he collapses in his cell, and two days later, he dies in prison at the age of 67. Yeah, yeah. Just a tiny bit more good news. No one visited him in prison for the last 15 years of his life. And the only person at his funeral was his estranged brother, Colin. Colin went to his funeral?

Yeah. Oh man. And just one guy standing there like, I fucking hated this guy, but mom would want me to be here. And that's Trevor Hardy, the beast of Manchester, you guys. Sorry. Awful. Awful.

Wow. That was terrifying. Awful. Yeah. I know I'm just going to look at photos of him tonight before bed, because that's what I do. He's like the 70s. He's always wearing a blazer.

Yeah. Like it's just that, he's just that kind of guy that you can see like in line at Starbucks, like one thing goes wrong, and like everyone's like, we got to get out of here. This is, he's fucking going ballistic. They have a nickname for him like crazy, whatever. Exploding Trevor, something like that. He's going to fucking explode. All right.

Should we do a hometown? It's hometown. It's hometown time. It finally got dark in here, and now we have to ask you to raise the lights so we can really look into everybody's faces. Let's tell you the rules first. Oh, yeah. I'll just do this very briefly.

So we like when people come up here and tell us their hometown murder, because everybody's got one. But you have to remember, if you get picked, George is going to pick someone randomly. You have to remember, you can be super drunk if you want, but you still have to be able to tell a story. That's key. So you can't repeat anything. You can't start whispering secrets, none of that shit will fly.

You can only say this one time. This is crazy. You can do that one time. You can't talk about how we're in a church. We did all that already the whole time. Let's see. We want it to be local. Those are the best.

We love it if it's a Manchester one or somewhere nearby. Somewhere around there. If you're from Arizona, fuck off. There was people from Arizona. They're like, woo! That's always my example. We just told people. And there were people like, we came here from Arizona, we're like, sorry.

Let's see. Oh, it has to have an ending. It's also just not for tonight, but if you ever tell a story in life, you don't fucking start a story like, here's this horrible thing, and then this thing happened, and yeah, that's all. Oh, okay. Don't do that. Oh, and if you get picked, everyone else is going to hate you, so make it snappy.

Okay. Those are the rules. Who has a hometown for us? Georgia has a system. Georgia has a system. Georgia has a system. Georgia has a system. Georgia has a system.

Georgia has a system. Georgia has a system. Georgia has a system. Georgia has a system. And Georgia has a system. and Georgia has a system. Georgia has a system. Georgia has a system.

Here. Here we go. Go to Vince. Hi, welcome. Hi. Hi, what's your name? My name is Chloe. Williamette? Chloe. Hi. What's your name? I'm Chloe. What was it? Chloe. Chloe, everyone. Chloe, everybody. Where are you from? I'm from St. Helens, which is Halfway to Manchester. Is it pretty sweet? Good times. What's it known for? Rugby, glass and being a bit thick. The whole town? Yeah, pretty much. What was the first one? Rugby. Rugby, it's kind of like American football, but we just don't. It doesn't help. My accent will not help you. I'll just pretend like I understood. Okay, thank you. Okay, what's your hometown? My hometown murder is the story of Helen McCart, the disappearance of Helen McCart. It does have an ending, which is kind of cool.

In February 1988, Helen was 22. She rings her mom saying, I'm coming home early for tea. I know what that is. Yeah. Sorry. Thank you, wow. Tea is dinner in the north. Sorry. I'm just really proud now. She steps off the bus. She's got about 500 yards to walk through her home. She doesn't make it. A witness hears a scream that's cut off and Helen is never seen again. So the police start investigating and they go to the pub that's like half way between Helen's home and the bus stop and they meet a guy called Ian Sims, who is shifty as fuck. And very quickly the police are like, this is our guy. And half the town is like, he's definitely your guy too. Not so thick after all, aren't they? Yeah. It's gone downhill. Oh, shit. So very quickly they think Ian's the guy,

they get a warrant, they investigate his house and his car and in his car and house, they find blood. What they do is they take a DNA from Helen's parents and using their magic science shit, realise that that blood most likely definitely belongs to a child of theirs and since Helen is an only child, it's clearly Helen's blood. Yeah. So while they're still questioning Ian, somewhere along the canal in Erlen, I'm not too sure where that's that is, they find Helen's clothes covered in blood, fibres from Ian's dogs, a length of cable that also has bite marks in which they trace back to Ian's dogs. Oh no, that's poor Dan. Yes, implicated in a crime. And they're like, yeah, this is our guy, he's going to court. So at court Ian's like, it's clearly

not me. What's happened here is someone's broken to my house and stole my clothes and stole my car which I moved the body in. It's definitely not me. Please don't convict me. And Jerry's like, it's probably you mate, you're convicted. Yes. Yes, they convict him. It's one of the rare cases in the UK where people are convicted without a body, just purely on DNA evidence. Right. So as we say, Helen, Helen is sadly her remains have never been found. So her mum Marie, who is an absolute badass, she starts a campaign, her campaign for Helen's law. That's basically any convicted killer in the UK. If you don't reveal the whereabouts of your victim, you're not getting parole, which. Yes. And that's a law now? It's not a law just yet. She started the campaign in 2015. We could do a lot more

signatures online to get that in place. Murdering those unite. What's the website? It's on change.org, which is the government petition site. You probably all know what you've signed. So many things from there. If you just Google Helen's law, then the petition will come up. Ian is still in jail. He's still pleading his innocence. And she's still a wanker. Oh my God. And that's my hometown murder and the district. Amazing. Chloe. Yes. Great job. Great job. Perfectly done. From now on, I'm not going to list the rules. I'm just going to go, can you just do it like Chloe did it, please? It's just how you do it. I'm going to cry. I love that. See, this is why we fucking love you guys so much. And recently, my friend was like, stop saying you're lucky. It's not

luck. And then I'm like, no, you don't understand. The people who fucking listen to this are the coolest people, the best people. And we're so lucky that we have the most incredible listeners. And you guys do shit like this. And we're fucking honored to be part of it. Thank you. Yeah, these tours are so amazing for us because normally, you know, as I said before, like we just record this in a loft in an apartment in Los Angeles. And it's almost like having a private conversation. Then we find out there are people, I mean, all fucking around the world that want to come and just do this. And it's, it's such an honor, but also like an entire community has sprung up out of a true crime comedy podcast. It's total insanity. You guys did it all yourselves. And we get a ton of credit

for it. So thank you so much. Thank you so much. Really, for everything. It's amazing. Yeah. It's such an honor. Thank you, Manchester. We're having us. Thank you, Manchester. Say sexy. And thank you. Thank you so much.