My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 147 - Live in Austin

Episode Date: November 15, 2018

Karen and Georgia cover Robert Elmer Kleason and the murder of Steven Robards.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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My ear drops. Oh my gosh. They're broken. You broke them. Wow, this place is fucking huge. What are you doing? What are you doing in here? It's crazy.

Wow. Guys, this is our last show of the 2018 fall tour. Amazing. I did a real gross dance about it backstage. Yeah, do it, Georgia. Let them see your backstage. It was a little more crude, but this is the stage. She was in plain spanks.

That's right. How did you like that? I came out of this. It was fun. I came in spanked. In my, right in my peripheral vision, I thought there was an old lady, but it was Georgia and she pulled her bicycle spanks up to the bottom of her bra. Kind of, they're a nude flesh tone.

By the way, no, my spanks go up to the bottom of my bra. That wasn't special for you. Truly. Listen. They go up to here. Yes. I didn't realize they do that because I wear a scuba suit under all my dresses, so I just figure. I thought you were doing bikini spanks.

No. That's how I look underneath this. It looked really good. Thank you. My spanks pulled up to the bottom of your bra, and then she was just going like this behind me. There was no reaction at first, and she kind of looked me up and down and then laughed. Because when I don't wear my glasses, I can see to about here. And then everything else is a funny blur that people are doing for me.

Just a nice presentation. Meanwhile, poor Vince is behind us on the couch, just ignoring us. Ignoring. Just trying to get things taken care of. That's right. Doing an actual job as we're like, good at robin. Listening to some robin back there. That's right.

Oh, wow. What a gorgeous rug. Truly. Just in the fall shades of mauve. Atumnal. Tote. Atumnal. That's my least favorite word, and it's the word I say the most.

Which is? Atumnal. Oh, yeah. Because it's just so dumb. I can't stop saying it. You know that thing? Atumnal. Because you just, you hate it so much that you have to keep saying it.

Yeah. Like I say it as a joke, but then I just, that's all I say. I think I might do that with moist. It's such a, such a terrible word. It puts all these ideas into your head, but unwanted thoughts. No. Do. No moist.

It's so moist in this atumnal air. No. It's not. It's the atumnal air. It's inaccurate. I can't stand how inaccurate your weather forecast is. What are we talking about? This one's going to go off the fucking rails.

Let me just tell you this right now. I'm sorry. I have to pre-apologize. When we hit the stage last night, which was super fun. It was in Atlanta. It was as if we'd never done a show before. We were just staring at each other like, what, aren't you going to say anything? Right before we walked out the stage, I was like, what are we going to talk about?

And then, I was like, okay, great. I'm going to care and take care of it. I was just like, go ahead. I don't know. And I was like, oh, let's see. I did drugs one time. I got drunk one time. I was a rebellious child.

What about, oh, I did something in my hotel room today that I've never done in a hotel room before. Let's fucking hear all about it. Hi. Right. Let's fucking, like maybe, and of course it's the last show of 2018 that I do this. Can I guess? Yeah. You masturbated on a pillow.

I don't even know how that would work. Sorry. Every time I go into a hotel room, which was now constantly, they always have a decorative pillow. In my mind, I just flashed through like 30 dudes that have jerked off onto it. Simply because they can. Face it. This is reality.

And then she licks the remote control and she's ready to go. You take things and you put them in the corner and then you like fold things down. Then you start the wiping of surfaces. Oh, God. Sorry. Did I ruin your game? I'm sorry. No, it was just yoga.

But now it feels stupid. I'm so sorry to fucking bit your yoga story right in half. It wasn't a great story. Shit. And then I masturbated on a pillow. Okay. So that's all we want to know. Women aggressively masturbating around hotel rooms as a form of revenge.

Yeah. Yeah. I have to say, and maybe this is why I came up with that so quickly. I recently. Uh-oh. No, no, no. This is going to get weird. Yeah.

Let's stop recording now. This is going to be a private, a private performance. This is a private conversation. Yeah. This is between you and us and no one else. Yeah. It stays in this huge room. In this 17 level Star Wars style auditorium.

My dad, I sent my dad a video of we came out onto the stage beforehand and we're like, oh shit, how is this happening? And I took a quick video for my dad and I sent it. And in two hours I'm going to get a text that says, how many seats? Because that's all he cares about. It's like he's boiled this whole thing down to stats. And he just wants to know how many seats are in every house that we're filling. Is it better than the night before?

Is it worse? Are we winning or losing? Do I still love you or not? Let me know. He's like, I need to figure out what to get you for Christmas. How many seats were in that theater last night? Just get me the two Starbucks gift cards. Dad, you're just, you're still killing it.

Why two Starbucks gift cards? Uh, I didn't tell you that story. Maybe. Saddest time when like my dad, my mom was sick and my dad had to take over all the mom duties and was not prepared and couldn't do it. We had a Christmas where my sister got a ton of great shit. And of course my niece Nora got everything she could have wanted. And I got two Starbucks gift cards.

Uh, they were each for $50. So I get $100 at Starbucks. No one needs that. That's like two years. And then 15 at Sephora. I was just like, fuck off. This won't get me in the door at Sephora, friend. I'm middle aged.

The nothing worth $15 is worth anything to my face at Sephora. Oh my God. Yeah. And I was like, thanks dad. Oh. All the things I wanted. My dad once got me, my parents are really bad at giving. My dad once got me and he wrapped it like a port or a like trash.

What's it called when you can throw things away after they're done? Recycling bin? No. The garbage? Essentially like an under the sink reusable. Oh, trash compactor? No. Shit.

Fire extinguisher. What? It was like a can that you can just use once and throw it away. Oh. Yeah. Like a. I mean, I don't know what that is. I don't know what that is either.

I don't know what that is either. We should call my dad and ask him. It's a one off fire extinguisher? Yep. That's how much anxiety happens in my family. And it was like, it was like definitely a made for TV product kind of thing. And then my mom once got me a like a flashlight that you plug in in case of emergencies. We just have anxiety.

They should just pay for my therapy instead of buying me fucking presents. Yeah. How about we get out of the emergency realm of gift giving and into the gift part where things you want when things aren't on fire or burning down when there's not an earthquake. Right. Exactly. That's exactly right. That's exactly right.

Um, it's okay. Steven's not here. Oh yeah. Sorry. Steven. We can't bring him his writer is too demanding. Yeah. You wouldn't believe he demands to get eight cats in every city that we go to.

And they have to be different cats to like varying ages and cuteness and their names have to all be kind of adorable and they have to have hashtags. Yeah. They have to have their own social media accounts preset up. Yeah. And they do that. Yeah. He just takes care of my cats.

It's insane. And then just clogs my story feed on my Instagram. Yeah. With the most insane shit that I love. Cat content. Lots of my cats and dinosaur unboxing videos. Do you know he does that? What?

Dinosaur unboxing videos. You're being serious? I swear to God. Oh, I thought you threw three hilarious nouns for Steven together. I'm not kidding. No, I watched in my living, in my own living room as he, as he opened a toy from like a Jurassic Park thing. That's cute.

But. Well, now my living room has the memory of being unboxed in Jurassic Park. Unboxed against its will. Like so many hotel rooms. Listen, this is my favorite murder world to your crime comedy podcast. Thank you. This is, this is Karen Kilgaro. And this is Georgia Hardstart.

Oh, thank you. This is our last tour of 2018. So fucking nothing. So call your girl friend. Everything goes. Yeah, Spanx out to the top. Your Spanx out. Pull, pull your Spanx out.

You know, hey, what are you besides full body Spanx? What are you wearing? Oh, thanks for asking. That's interpreted. It's a little bit, there is a coming on to drugs feel right now. But I assure you and all the police in Austin that I'm not on drugs. I just have a dress with pockets in it. Oh, we're getting good at that.

We just did this. Oh, no. No. Oh, no. Look at it yell. It's asshole time. I finally gave up wearing, I wore black clog boots for two years of touring because my sister hated them so much. And I thought it was hilarious.

Even though she was at like two of the 15 shows we did. And she, but everyone's small. She'll, she'll like sneak on Instagram and look and then she'll be like, the dress was cute. But fuck those boots. And then that alone would just like warm my heart. I could go right to sleep. But then I got these and they're better. So I had to let that go.

You're growing and changing. I'm trying to grow and I'm trying to change. I love it. Thank you. I have a thing on. It's black. There's my wedding shoes. Yeah.

I've decided not that next year I'm not wearing black dresses anymore. I, I, it'll be fine. I promise. Also, it's not a discussion. There's like six different women were like, so, sorry. So hold on. Then what does that mean? Do you guys get refunds?

I already got my tickets. I just, you have to understand my closet. I love clothes. It's this much fucking couch material grandma dresses vintage. Some of like crazy old salty women who in the past I bought these from. And then there's this little section of like show dresses of these sad black dresses that I found that I'm like, I guess this will do. I bought so many just to be like, maybe.

Cause it's not my thing. I'm not a gov. But you know what's hilarious? Listen, she finally admitted it. She's not a gov. I'm a raver. What I love is that. Well, then the next tour is all rave clothes.

Yeah. Air, air, air, air, air, air. Finally. Humongous jeans. We just thought we meaning me just thought Karen the term speaker tweaker. Yeah. She loves that you ravers will know as someone who fucking gets up on the speaker and is on so many drugs that it just feels great to your ears and your body.

Yeah. Exactly. Careful. So Karen's now a speaker tweaker. I'm a natural speaker tweaker. Um, oh, but what I was going to say is it's funny because we are the ones that made up the rule that we have to wear a black dress. We made it up.

And then George is like, look, I can't do it anymore. And then I'm like, no, you fucking have to. It's all, this is all made up. And I didn't decide till the one weekend where you wore a print dress and I was like, we can do that. Well, I'm going to do it then too. No. No more.

No more. We won't be slaves to ourselves. I don't know. Our own dumb idea. It's worked so far. Um, she's the town. I guess so. Yeah.

Yeah. Look at these. Are these our friends from, uh, these are nice. Andy Cohen. Andy Cohen's. I bet they are. Did you know that story? So Andy Cohen and, uh, Anderson Cooper.

Thank you. Uh, they tour and we're like, I guess we're like following behind them on their tour because they, they like refuse to sit in plebe chairs. So they send these like fucking nice chairs to every city, but they're to it. It doesn't make fiscal sense for them to send them on. They just leave them there. And so we keep getting these really nice Andy Cohen, Anderson Cooper. Oh.

Oh, shit. Ugh. With full up and down action. What we're all looking for. Are you going to stay down there? Yeah. Come on down. It's a real, it's a real relief.

I don't really want to. Other side. Thank you. Yeah. Do you want to go back up? Okay. This is a half an hour of the show. Need to go to the bathroom or leave, you know.

There is adjusting that you have to do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just really hurt my back. That yoga was pointless that I did earlier.

What type of yoga did you do? Hot? Well, the heater was on. So I just did, I just did a video, which I fucking never do. Okay. Truly my phone was like, are you sure you weren't trying to? I think you touched the wrong button. Yeah.

Yeah. You were trying to watch videos of your cats. Are you sure you want to yoga? But I did it. I did it. Was it a lady? It was a minute stretch flow situation. I can show you right now.

Do it. Oh my God. That's the best content for a podcast. And this woman, she was so positive. This woman was so positive, bless her heart. She was playing, you know, positive. The sitar? Yeah.

Yeah. I think I went in my head. I went, oh fuck off. But then I was like, don't do that, Georgia. That's not positive. This is the positivity and the sitar. I like to do yoga, um, the privacy of my own home because I just pretend that I'm not myself. Oh.

So like I sit down, I'm like, this is going to be great with like a really open face and attitude, which normally then there's the real me sitting like two behind me. That's like, what the fuck is this? Get off the ground. Why is her face so open? Turn the TV back on now. We haven't watched all the British procedurals yet. There's got to be one left.

Stop improving yourself immediately. But I was going to tell you, I just started doing a thing where it's the journey through the seven chakra. No. I swear to God. I have opened my root fucking chakra. Which one's that? It's the fucking bottom.

Oh. Open. Open your butt. Like a fucking baboon. You wouldn't believe what's happening down there. Oh man. I think you should close that. I'm going to.

Now that we talk it through, I have to shut it. That's some portal of hell shit. That's anything could get in there. Yeah. You don't want to, we're always traveling or immune systems are probably fucked up. I would, I would avoid opening any. Shut it down. Chakras.

Permanently. And then just kind of cement over my third eye and forget about it. Don't go in there. Don't go inside. It's not safe. No, I'm, I'm really happy for you. I'm trying to be supportive. Too late.

I'm trying to be supportive. It's okay. I'm happy for you. Thanks. You can't say I'm happy for you, but not move your mouth. And then I'm supposed to believe it. Shit. Fuck.

I always do that. I'm a bad liar. Whenever I'm lying, I just don't know what I'm out. I'm so happy for you. I'm so happy for you. I'm so happy for you. I always hope you have the same expectations on your yoga journey. Um, yeah, we're getting super spiritual.

So you just can hurt it here first. The next season of tours is just going to be a one large yoga class. We're going to it's just going to Chakras. It's just going to smell real bad. It's going to smell. It is so money. So much unwashed Lululemon. We're gonna happen upon that eighth chakra and just be like, oh, whoa, we didn't even know the BO chakra

You go first I go first you go. Oh, yeah, we we forgot to make this announcement last night. That's how awful kilter We are gone real bad. Um We understand there's people here who have never listened to our podcast before and they are confused and probably a little bit angry right now This is a true crime comedy podcast. That's right. What does that mean Karen? Well, it's um can be a very complex combination of topics and feelings Because we are talking about the worst things that could happen to people in the world. Well simultaneously and and Kind of parallel to that. We are making each other laugh about about things

Shit, yeah, we don't think that murder is funny. We don't think that people being killed is funny. We just think that we're funny Well, I mean That's my first step into positivity and So sometimes that can be a difficult combination there's people that get offended by that or they don't know us enough to trust us to do It they tense up they they reject it or whatever So we just want to say now to those people you can get the fuck out because we don't need you Yeah, that was my root shock shocker time that came from my bottom of my soul Looking for a better cooking routine with meal planning shopping and prepping handled

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No My my my spanks jokes aren't gonna land. No, I'm just gonna have to go with you and like just agree with whatever you tell me You're showing me. I am so funny right now. Trust me So tonight I'm gonna do the story of Robert Elmer class Cleason the real Texas chainsaw massacre There's a real one Now as we all know and as fans and lovers of true crime they like to Do that they they like to compare things to other things and be like this is the real this is the original one This is the original

But you will find as you hear the story that it's just kind of a couple of items that that combine the story and in fact that Toby Hooper did not base his film on this because this actually happened After three months after Texas chainsaw massacre was released. Come on I get the name stuck. Yeah, it's you know what it is. I got it from a British series called real stories And they'll fucking say anything about this country. They're so mad that we became independent so, oh Yeah This movie

Let's just start and in the fun part this movie There is an article from 2004 That was written by a guy named John Bloom for the Texas Monthly magazine, which I personally love We get a lot of good research from Texas Monthly. It's real good magazines, so He had John Bloom, you know, it was 14 years ago But he wrote this amazing article basically about how Texas chainsaw massacre got made and I'll read you the first sentence of that article It's in 1973 a rag tag group of Texans scrounged up

$60,000 and created a film so violent and visionary that it shocked the world and It was filmed right in and around Austin, Texas. Yes And It is not just Probably the most legendary horror film of all time. It's the most financially successful film in the history of Texas Did you know that about your your this is come on? I'm cheerfree and fucking home team When you spend next when you spend 60 grand on a fucking movie

Yeah, when a rag tag group of people get together 60 grand scrounged together some old Texan hippies come together and fucking Literally torture actors so it looks like they're being tortured Okay, okay so Toby Herber's inspiration for this movie of course was Ed Gein and it was also Dean Coral and Dean Coral's accomplices who procured people for him and all that fucked up shit So there's plenty of inspiration. He didn't need to go anywhere else, but

Just to connect the two I guess we have to stop talking about this now Three months after the movie premiered another psycho took up residence in Austin, Texas He didn't wear a mask made of human skin. No Of an actual human face actually Oh, there's a super fucked up story that Toby Hooper tells that a doctor who is a resident that he knew He got the idea for leather face because a doctor told him a story about when he was a resident and in the Um, yeah corners off in an office or whatever. He cut the face off of someone On a Halloween and board as a mask

I'm sorry to say no, he's the Surgeon General of the America Right now He was Trump's top pick for Surgeon General Sounds about right? So we're back into my really dramatic intro so No, this man was not wearing a human face over his own face. He's a quiet Unassuming church going man. We always are and his name was Robert Elmer Cleason. Okay, so he's born in on September 20th 1934 in Buffalo, New York

to Interesting To a mentally ill father and a homemaker mom And he's an only child and his father No enough Oh, they never get to do that Let him do it

It wasn't just one person seven only children just cheered for themselves. They've been waiting They're all here alone tonight They never learned how to make connections. No, that was not it. They're here to connect Playing little video games by themselves. I'm like, I don't want ketchup on it. Why is there ketchup? Yeah? Because other people exist, okay, they never cheered again Turns out that was our clutch our clutch group. Yeah, okay His father who's a paranoid schizophrenic loves guns and so that he raises his only child to also love guns What could go wrong?

Magical in 1950 when he is 16 years old. He jumps on a nail. Oh, it's an accident. Why so Accidentally, okay, so I should have put that in there and his mom takes him to the emergency room But after a while they're made to wait because it's an emergency room. There's bigger emergencies turns out So he gets impatient. He punches his mom walked out to the car grabs a gun No, and comes in shooting into the emergency room. Yeah, this is in Buffalo. So Luckily no one was hurt and luckily they sent him to a psychiatric hospital for but just for two years You know to kind of rinse it out Just a quick visit, I'm sure it was a very tender place full of carrying normal things that people got ice baths. Yeah

Yes, 70s mental hospitals not ideal So he gets out he exhibits he continues to exhibit strange behavior It turns out eventually he is also diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic just like his dad In 1971 at the age of 37 he earns his sociology degree Oh good. Okay. Listen As someone who's never earned shit Congratulations, whatever year you do it. God bless America Do it fair fair. That's a fair, right? Yeah, look it took him 28 years. That doesn't matter

He's still a sociologist Okay, so he celebrates that by getting into an argument with a guy and shooting him in the foot Celebrate come on So Rob Bob gets arrested But he jumps bail and he decides it's time for me to go to Austin, Texas Yeah so

He shows up and immediately starts hanging out at the taxidermy shop in Austin Coincidentally named Austin taxidermy you might what a weird coincidence. Yeah Um, so he's very interested in taxidermy. I think I have this picture. No, he's a big hunter, obviously He likes to hunt and he likes to kill huge animals and hang them on walls like suppose near them He puts them up as high as he can so that he has to stretch to touch them And that makes him feel like a giraffe Hey, I'm an animal too. Oh my god

Okay, when I first saw this picture, I thought that over there was a towel rack and I'm like, is this this motherfucker's bathroom. I Was so excited. Oh my god. Can you imagine you know where this will look great in my vaulted ceiling bathroom in my bathroom? With the ducks. Oh, yeah, all of those animals are just like run. Yeah, okay, so So he starts hanging out at Austin taxidermy. He he's a first. He's a I was gonna say patient. He's a customer. Sorry. He's a customer But then he starts to hang out there and he asked the owner if he would teach him how to become a taxidermist himself So he kind of follows the owner around and learns how to use all the machines And then when he finds himself without a place to live the owners offer they say you can live in the trailer behind the taxidermy shop

So he's just getting those sweet fumes. Yes, right up into his just just just fucking a nose. He's just Saturating himself in his dream. Yeah in his dream of dead animals being stuffed. Great. So Like a cartoon creep he moves into a trailer behind a taxidermy shop All by himself great, and then his next step Because he's like, all right, I'm in Austin I'm I'm hanging out at a taxidermy shop like all the hot young guys do Then he starts telling people that he's a Korean War veteran that he was a baby Is there a baby that doesn't like my story

Wait shit shit everyone shut your mouth No, it's a ghost, baby Okay, that is the baby that killed another baby and now haunts this theater This college is so fucked up This is ghost baby college Have you gone to ghost the fighting ghost babies? They win they win Every game because everyone's like, holy fuck that baby is dead. This is insane. It's I don't I think it's inappropriate that they made their mascot a ghost baby, but

I don't make the rules times were different. They do what they want down here. It's weird He starts telling people he's a Korean War Better fighting ghost babies He starts telling people he's a Korean War Fighter pilot veteran fighter pilot who shot down enemy aircraft in Korea claims. He's in the French foreign Legion Why not tack that on that he has three PhDs? He speaks six foreign languages fluently. He was involved in the Bay of Pigs Jesus He was responsible for the assassination of Che Guevara. That's a brag

Bob he claims he Once was court-martialed for flying under bridges like no sully, but a rebel And then of course his big lie is he tells everybody he's X CIA Now here's a hard and fast rule for this life if someone starts telling you that they are X CIA They are mentally ill Yeah bar none. Yeah Because the whole thing about Being in the CIA is you don't fucking brag about it like fight club. It's

It's governmental fight. That's right zip the lip. Yeah, CIA style. Yeah, that's the whole fucking point of being a CIA is you don't Get tell people that do I need to underline it again? Watch the movie true lies and you'll fucking know what it's like You'll see what Arnold was up against mr. Mrs. Smith again. All he wanted to do was tell her about his life And it drove them apart and then it brought them together Outside of a helicopter. This should be a movies podcast. I think yep, let's change it So now he's got taxidermy now. He's got stolen Valor. What's the third horse in this trifecta? That's right the church of Latter-day Saints Yeah, he's like

How do how am I gonna lock this down and be the most popular guy in Austin? I'm gonna pluck this one from the fucking tree. Oh What's this ripe berry from the top of the tree? Yep, he joins the LDS and So he actually gets baptized into the church and hot stuff and then he Makes a bunch of Uncomfortable acquaintances that are like it's great to meet you. Why are you here? Why are you here? I made a hot dish go over there and eat it, please

I didn't want to I made you funeral potatoes, but I don't want to bring him to you So Of course in December of 1973 he gets arrested for wrestling bison You knew it. You knew I was gonna say it. I'm sorry Wait for real or is that another lie he made up? No, it's real. Oh my god. He doesn't even need to lie. Why are you lying? He's so ridiculous Here's his mugshot from wrestling wrestling bison. He didn't wrestle them

He couldn't wrestle them. I don't think it's called a wrestling when a bison beats the shit out of you He looks like someone I've dated Does he look like Carl Urban star of Star Trek? No Call your girlfriend I mean I'm just saying if you lived in Austin You're just like a young waitress just trying to see what's going on

You went to high school with everybody and it's all the same people and then this fucking guy moves to town The bison wrestler talking about bison You're just like what kind of plan did you fly in Korea? Wow, tell me more about the CIA all the secrets that you just keep Tell me about those secrets Do you have one of those suitcases that shoots people? First question I would ask So he gets arrested and he goes to jail

But none of his Mormon friends come and visit him and they don't get him a lawyer So he becomes super enraged in jail I thought you were going to say Jewish or something Just picks another religion You know who will come to my aid Lacham Who just whoever will show up Will show up, we'll come get you from jail

Will you? Do you promise me right now? Bring me a fucking kugel too It's a hot dish Trying to shove a casserole dish through the bars Eat the kugel! There's raisins in it, it's weird It'll make you feel better

Eat the kugel Wait, is kugel a casserole that has raisins? It's a noodle casserole It's kind of sweet but we eat it with dinner It's not dessert and we put white raisins in it And like what else though? It's just like a custard What is wrong with that?

And I love gefilte fish too Everyone's horrified by that Anyway, this is neither You make great bread That's very true Where are we? Oh okay No one's getting him help

And no one's coming to visit him His entire Mormon church is like Sorry I didn't see your text It's just a whole... It's 300 people that are like What? You texted me? That's crazy I didn't get it

The one thing you automatically get and check Every four seconds all day long I just didn't So he spends five months in jail And he's pissed Kind of naturally And then once he gets out His behavior becomes more and more bizarre

He starts to send letters To the elders of the church It's a little something like this I will not mess about any longer I am going for the kill I gave up everything I owned and was chased Hounded, tracked down, jailed, starved and insulted Not only by my enemies

But by the church itself I don't want a pat on the head or a paw shake I want blood I want to go after my false accusers now And bring them to dishonor Wait, that's from the bison? Or from... Oh that's from...

That was a letter written by a bison He shoved a pencil in his hoof I was just like, no I'm sorry I'm pissed I'm saying it I'm finally fucking tell them how I actually feel Being a Mormon Bison

Shit dude So the bishop of the church Gets this letter and he's like Hey everybody, Ixnay on the Albert Ray guy Don't talk to him anymore Literally tells everybody we have to stop He's dangerous

And there were two young men Who were missionaries Their names were Gary Darley who was 20 years old And Mark Fisher who was 19 years old And they had been having dinner With Robert since he moved To town basically They were kind of like

The LDS kind of welcome wagon And they would go visit him And because of course he's a creep In the trailer behind the taxidermy shop He doesn't have a phone He's at that slatted window When he needs to communicate with people So

They tell the bishop We're just going to go visit him one more time He just said don't talk to him anymore But Rebellious Mormon missionaries They'll just say fuck you Right to your face

So On October 28th 1974 Gary Darley and Mark Fisher Go out to the taxidermy shop They go to the trailer For one last visit And they're never seen alive again So because everybody knew

That Bob Cleason was the last person That would have seen them alive The police questioned him About where he thinks the boys could be And first he tells the police They never got to his house for dinner That he has no idea But of course then he's asked again

And he changes his story Against him and that he's being set up That's the one That's the answer I should have gone with first That's my real answer And then they bring it up again And he says actually There's a judge in this town

Who is a war criminal And I as XCIA have information about him Therefore he is trying to silence me That's not it either And slowly the cops are Backing toward the door Trying to feel for the door knob behind them Oh you don't say

A war criminal you say I'm gonna go check something in my car How about a semen horror movie Where a cop just goes up into a high girl voice Because he's so fucking scared Okay Bob See you in a bit Actually in this real stories

Which is it's a great episode of real stories About this guy There is this amazing cop Austin PD Who says he was 24 years old And he said he's the scariest human being He's ever been around Because he came in real like

He almost talked like almost babyish Where he'd be like oh I don't know And he kind of talked like that And then if you pissed him off he would turn And they said his face would change And his eyes would change And all of a sudden he was the scariest person you ever saw I don't like that

So Then Here's what happened When I pissed him I just said that part So they go to the trailer And they do the search And outside they find

A Fisher's ID tag With a bullet hole in it Then inside the trailer they find Both of the boys bloody watches So they are like this is not good They also then see Cleason has this shooting range

That's set up in the backyard And then a bunch of people that know Cleason say oh yeah here's a thing He likes to do He invites you over to the shooting range And he'll go look at me on this expert shot And he'll do all his shots And you're supposed to go down and get the target thing

And go bring it back And multiple people said That they would go down to get the target And when they turned around he was standing there Aiming the gun at them And that was like his funny joke That's hilarious So

The police are now like This is clearly how he murdered these two boys Then Also inside the trailer they find It's like he's trying to write a book It's a manuscript called A Thousand Whitetails A Poacher's manuscript

And it is hundreds of pages Of him describing In detailed writing how to kill, dress And dispose of animal carcasses What if you had to read that Like you had to Don't do it I would just get through it

You know what I mean I would just do my job I guess that's the right answer That wasn't a great question I couldn't admit what I'm wrong Steven, edit that out Steven, turn that part up louder I think it was powerful

A powerful moment of honesty I am Irish Catholic Therefore I shut down all my emotions And just get the job done That's how I made it To age 48 Thank you Shut it down

Press it down Don't think about it till you're crying In the grocery store You don't know why You don't know why It's over I'm like I'm going through this

That was amazing I love it It's the best Okay Here's I lost Now I don't know where I am This is a little bit random

This information is going to reset All of our taste buds to the horror That we're actually living in right now I'm going to stop it first He This guy has been married three times All these women have left him And the most recent one left him

Because she walked into the bathroom And he was taking a bath With a disemboweled deer Oh And I Will always Love you Oh my god

That was amazing Why isn't this a singing podcast? Why isn't this an insanity podcast? How it is That's fucking disgusting It's the worst And then just the visual Because then you'd be like

Oh I'm sorry And then flashes of what you just saw Never stopping But is it wrong that I'm trying to think Well he must have been terrible before that Because if I saw Vince doing that I don't know if I'd immediately leave him You definitely want to hear the story first

What if he wasn't taking a bath With a disemboweled deer Into the bathtub full of water Sure She was probably like, yep this is old Robert But I'd be like, this isn't Vince This is not like him This isn't like him, why would he put bubbles

Into this guy So something Must have been, I'm going to guess something else I bet something else I bet like his funny game of pulling guns on people Yeah, Vince in the back is like I can finally live my life My real life, she'll accept me for who I am

And then there's a deer standing next to him Like what? What'd you say the plan was? Okay So once the police put all this Horrifying information together They send a forensic team To investigate the taxidermy studio

And this is where the connection To the Texas Chainsaw Massacre comes in Because they end up finding Hair That matches the two young missionaries And human blood And tissue On the band saw

That's in The taxidermy studio And they also find Their hair behind the shop In this bin behind the shop where the employees Disposed of the unused animal parts And so then the police Put together that basically

He killed these boys And then got rid of their bodies By basically Dismembering them and getting rid of anything That would have looked human So that he could put it into that taxidermy bin So it's the worst Of the worst

The state only has circumstantial evidence They only have all that stuff That they found in and around The taxidermy place And his trailer But they go to trial anyway In 1975 And he is found guilty of murder

And the jury immediately gives him the death penalty Hold, hold, don't do it Don't fall for it You must know That there's more to come And it's not good It's actually the worst In 1977, he's on death row for two years

When the appeals court finds That the search warrant used to look Through his trailer Was defective Is the word that I cut and paste So who wrote that? The search warrant was defective And so the bloody watches

And the tag, the hideous manuscript Are all inadmissible Judge, whatever your name is So his conviction is overturned And the authorities are like It's too big of a risk to retry him When we don't have any of this Evidence

So instead They bring him up on weapons charges In Buffalo from when he shot the guy in the foot Fuck And he gets the death penalty Nope, he sure doesn't He gets nine years in a prison in Buffalo Yes

And secretly Austin's like Well, at least he's not here anymore Um So he goes to jail, he's in jail in Buffalo And while he's there He signs up for a thing called International Pen Friends Yep

And he begins exchanging letters With a widow named Marie Longley Who lives in the very British Sounding town of Barton upon Humber Oh really? Oh really? Oh really? It's up in the northeast of England

And he explains to Marie, of course That he is a Korean decorated war veteran Who is also a college professor Teaches literature To prisoners And that's why all the pictures he sends her Are from the inside of a prison Shut up

And they make me wear the prison blues I just try to blend in To make them want to learn from me Yeah Um So he gets her more and more To reveal all the details of her life Like that she is

A policeman's widow So she makes a pension She owns her own house and she has a modest But stable income And he's like ding ding ding ding I'm in love So In 1988

Yes The city of Buffalo of course doesn't want him And it sweeps weak also The week he gets released So literally reporters just follow him Around town He gets released from prison he has nowhere to go And reporters are just like how do you feel

By how nobody wants you here and you need to leave immediately No uh Yeah I just want to show that he wore the MAGA hat first That's him That's him The ridge Just saying

Oh No way they get married? That's Marie. Look he looks like the fattest vampire Of all time in this picture He does Like you're only drinking blood What are you? Oh my god

And also that is a medal That is not his He's wearing fucking lunatic Oh I'm scared So Essentially the people The city officials in Buffalo are like We want him out people start petitions

At one point he tells a reporter I'm not the monster that they Portrayed he has this weird little baby voice And if they dig a little deeper Why they'll find out I'm just an average sort of guy Yeah He has that really irritating midwest accent Where you're like you're fucking hiding something

You old weird Dracula So His deer comes around the corner And he's like he's fucking lying He's a lunatic He took a bath with my cousin once My cousin's in his bathroom Follow me

A deer standing on his hind legs Going yelling out To the people in Buffalo Don't believe him Fucking listen to me you idiots Okay Robert waits out his parole He writes to Marie

In England and says I'm going to come and visit you And she's like that sounds okay Pen pal Then she starts getting dozens of boxes Sent to her house it's filled with all of his shit And literally garbage Like they open one thing and her Marie's Friend Liz says

That there's just some macaroni in a tin Like he's just sending He just boxed up a bunch of shit And is like I'm moving to Marie's Shit And he likes him fine at first Everyone's like he was super nice to her And he was just nice and you know

He was this war veteran and everybody liked him And he told them of course he won The Purple Heart and the Congressional Medal of Honor and that he had a girlfriend In Canada it was really into him Within Four months they're married That picture I just showed you

Then he starts joining the local gun clubs In her little British town Which is like there must have been one Maybe And he also starts hoarding guns And ammunition He applies for a gun permit To buy and sell guns

He gets so many guns That he has to knock out a wall In Marie's upstairs area So it's just one big room full of guns It's so many guns for England It's like I think he collected every gun in England He's just like I got them all

Let me know what you need So of course British Marie Is getting the full on gun creeps From this guy And then he starts doing it Because then the mass drops away of course And he has his Horrible anger and stuff and then he starts doing things

Where he's cleaning his gun and then he just Ames it at her That old thing he loves to do So she's like honeymoon over You weren't like this in your letters Then of course the domestic abuse comes At one point She starts locking herself in the back bedroom

And just like living back there and she'll only come out When he's gone or just like if it's necessary So after a while At the gun club the mass comes off Because he ends up living in this town for 10 years Jesus So at first everything's fine but he can't He can't handle it

They end up nicknaming him Odd Bob Which is like you fucking gotta love the British Because even in the face of Serial killers they're just like Okay Odd Bob Kills some more people He of course Has all his ex CIA claims

They're like bullshit One time he parks illegally And one of the fellow gun club members comes out I was like move your fucking car He gets into his car, sits there, sits there That comes out with a double barrel shotgun Holds it in the guy's face It's like Elmer Fudd style

A little flag comes out And he goes bang He says to the guy If we were in Texas I'd kill you right now Holy shit And all the British people are like Oh my We don't do this here

So they start They want him gone And so this local gun shop owner named Tony Fox Is in this real story special He starts digging around He writes a letter to the American metal Of metal of honor society This is how you googled back then

That's exactly right Just long letters And also could you look up the capital of Wisconsin For me It's a different issue But I would be a great favor They write back and tell Tony That Bob Cleason's military honors

Are all bullshit And so they finally have a reason To ask him to leave the gun club When this happens There's someone that confronts him And Bob says if you tell anybody else about this I'll kill you And like you won't see me coming

Because I'm fucking XCIA ninja Dracula So Of course and he says And you can't tell the police And Tony's like sounds great mate And he'd already told the police Every single thing he knew

So the police come to Bob and Marie's home With gun law violations So they raid Marie's house And they confiscate 42 guns And the police say That when they took the guns out of the house Bob sat down in a chair and cried

For five hours Geez That's Wow Wept over his okay Wept like an only child Just crying So

So then When all this happens Marie's friend Liz Butterfield Who features prominently in this real stories episode She rules She's the greatest She finds out from Marie That Bob has moved

A bandsaw into their kitchen That's not where bandsaws go It doesn't belong in the kitchen And it's also the same thing That they found all the DNA on In the taxidermy shop So Liz is like Alright everybody needs to buckle down

Sweetie time to So what she does is she gets her son Who knows how to use the computer And she's like look this fucker's name up Help us with the internet Cause it's like the year 2000 or whatever everyone was still scared To touch electric things

So Looks it up they find out all of his police records He's like They didn't even realize you could do that And they find not just the ones in Buffalo But the fact that he was On death row In Texas and everyone shits a brick

Liz goes over But very politely cause they're British Liz goes over she tells Marie You're married to a murderer She says she can't leave cause he's He says he's gonna kill me if I try to leave him Three days later Marie disappears Nooo

So everybody in this town Up 10 upon Down 10 They're scared That he's killed her But actually turned out That after all that happened Marie and Liz fucking put this plan

Into place CIA style And they fucking Snuck the fuck out of it They tell him that they're go For a jumble sale And they put all her shit in plastic Like grocery bags and they're just lining it up Like oh this is all the stuff for the jumble sale

It's all her shit And then Liz just comes by one morning Like we're off to the jumble sale And he's like see you later And they load up that fucking car And drive her away to a safe house Yes It

It actually takes the police Five days to find her They were so fucking serious They didn't tell anyone Holy shit So when the police Get back to the cottage They find two more illegal weapons

One of which is an assassin's rifle That has a silencer on it Is it in a briefcase? It's wearing It's own little beige raincoat So they arrest him again And they let him out on bail I don't even know

So he goes back To the house And he immediately starts writing Another pen pal For real And so he finds a German woman That he now begins romancing And the cops are watching him

And like following him around He's somehow gotten this German woman To come to that town So they're driving around in this van Filled with Marie's furniture And the woman that they're like Holy shit They finally

The sentence goes through And he has to go to jail for three years But then one year later So he's in jail and then a year later Because it's 2001 And suddenly there's DNA Evidence everywhere So they go back

And they pull a jumpsuit The cops had found in a can Outside the taxidermy thing All of the blood that was on the front Of this jumpsuit And it has Gary Darley And Mark Fisher's blood on it And they finally have the proof

That Robert Cleason is the one who killed them Oh my god And that means they can retry him For those murders So the UK agrees to extradition And then Robert Cleason on April 21st 2003 dies

Of a heart attack What a dick Right? At the age of 69 Nice And that is the insane, horrible story Of the not really real

Texas Chainsaw Massacre Robert Elmer Gleason That was excellent Sorry it was so fucking long Sorry so good Wow That was horrible And great

And yet Okay Well I'm gonna do the murder Of Stephen Robards Don't worry about it You'll figure it out And I have to go right at the top

I got a shitload of this info From a great article From the Texas Monthly Skip Hollinsworth The greatest Love him Give that man a podcast For real

All right, so this dudes Stephen Robards and Beth Lowemur Fallen Love and High School In Fort Worth, Texas in the 70s Fort Worth in the 70s Was gorgeous Beige Beige

Beige In 1974, whatever When Beth was just 18 Two years later they have a daughter And they name her Dorothy Marie But she goes by Marie But the relationship ended Pretty quickly in 1980

Beth got tired of her husband's behavior It alludes to the fact that he might have had Been bipolar But he would have Jealousy, issues, temper tantrums It doesn't matter, they break up And when Marie was about 3

About a year later When Marie is about 4, Beth gets Remarried to a dude named Frank He's an ex Navy officer Blah blah blah And then three of them move to Grand Barry Is it a town that was built around

A really huge Barry? Grand Barry It's about 35 miles outside of Fort Worth And at first Marie Is close with her stepfather They fucking get along She even starts to call him dad And her real father, Stephen

Who said, who visits She visits him a couple of times A month back in Fort Worth She starts calling him, which he had to love this Stephen dad Ew Sorry, she was an only child Yeah

Yeah Yeah So Marie and her mother Are extremely close Almost in an unhealthy way They're more like sisters And it seems like Marie had this Really strong bond to her mom

And as she enters high school She turns out to be this really smart Girl, she gets really good grades She doesn't mouth off I don't know But all the teachers loved her She excelled And

Then a week before her 16th birthday Everything changes When Marie comes home early And finds her stepdad Frank In fucking bed with another woman Yeah Who he had been having an affair with She tells her mom, Beth

And ultimately Beth fucking blames herself And her crazy work schedule is like I'm staying with him And so from that point on Marie fucking hated Frank And there was all this crazy tension in the house So eventually she refuses And she leaves home

And goes to stay with her grandparents And this is angry But fucking Frank was like Well, I have this rule that if any of He had a kid too If you ever leave the house and say you want to move out You can't come back in And he was like really strict about it

Oh, so he's strict about rules that he sets Right But like the rules of the Lord don't matter Right Okay, Frank, if that is your real name It seems like the perfect How you don't parent teenagers Rules

Unless they're your stepchildren And then whatever you want is fine I'm a child of divorce obviously We're working with a lot of shit up here tonight That's right So of course As any teenager who fucking went off in a Huff changes her fucking mind five days later

And tries to come home and Frank's like You can't fucking come back here And Marie's best friend, her mom Like I had to choose between the two of them And ultimately she chose her fucking cheating ass husband Rose I know And so Marie is devastated

And She ends up going to Move with her dad in Fort Worth Into his one bedroom apartment And Have you guys Divorced out apartments

Everything is beige Carpets Just like My dad would have You had to get hand-me-down furniture So like he'd have Like someone else's old patio furniture Nor furniture

It's kind of depressing Was there birchit on it or anything like that My dad was very clean Neat freak And then So she went to live with him But Steven was really happy to have his daughter there He had a chance to connect with her

He tried really hard to make her happy She began attending high school in town In Fort Worth And at that point Steven had gotten his life together after the divorce He was in a relationship with a woman Who lived in this building She was a single mom they had met At parents without partners

Wonderful organization Yeah He was going to a local church He got a good job as a mail carrier And was stoked to have his daughter with him Of course Marie was Heartbroken that her mom had fucking ditched her It's the worst

She didn't like living in her dad's house She wrote to her mom and called every night Complaining about her new school That her father had no home-making skills That he had few kitchen utensils I identify with We just keep losing forks Where are they going?

What if Steven steals one fork every time he stays at my house Just to fuck with us We're kind of rad I do that all the time It's always teaspoons And then I find them all in the backseat of my car Because I eat yogurt On the way to work

As I drive And then when I'm done I'm like See you later At least it's not out the window Teaspoon out the window Hit a motorcycle cop Now I'm arrested I'll come to prison and get you

You would You're forcing me to eat Georgia, I'm in prison Okay It turns out they serve coogle in here too Yeah Said that he didn't clean the apartment And Marie, so he was trying to get

A two bedroom apartment in the building But in the meantime she had to sleep on a rollaway bed In the dining room And so she was pissed off about that Sure Been there She's 15? 16

16 year olds hate their parents No matter what they do Yes And Marie even sent her mama a letter Telling her that she was thinking about suicide But our friend old Beth over here Was like I just thought she was being dramatic And that she was typical teenage angst

Bye, I'm gonna go hang out with my husband I don't like that mama I don't either, but I'm not supposed to say that No, let's not say it So things start to settle down finally And she starts to excel at school At her new school again And she's doing really well

She's one of those kids that reminds me of the type That are super eager to please Because everything around them is chaos And they don't want to be the one fucking things up So they're like I'm gonna fucking make sure There's not a single thing about me That they can be mad about I don't get that

I was like I'm gonna fuck everything up And I'm gonna laugh in your face When you're mad at it That's when baby Georgia picks up that meth pipe And she's like let's do this Throwing spoons out the window Shooting up Then the meth

Then the spoon out the window Okay wait, things start to settle down And then excellent grades etc She starts to settle in Then out of the blue On February 18th, 1993 Marie turns up On Steven's new lady friends door

That's what my dad called the girls He was the lady friends I've got a new lady friend I had a boyfriend who tried to call me That once and I just left the store That we were in Why did he do that? I guess he was uncomfortable with the word girl friends

And then I just stared at him And I walked out and got in the car and laughed It's just like no Here's the thing Call me anything But if you're going to call me something Lady friend is not fucking it Dude

That's I dated Marty for seven wonderful months And now I'm your step mother Clean your room I'm going to call you Karen mom Clean your room I'm making the worst microwaves For everybody

Sit down children There's no utensils Also we're adults Why do we have to eat here? There's so many questions So out of the blue February 18th, 1993 Marie knocks on lady friends door

And she's like my dad's sick Steven had come home from church After dinner complaining of a stomach ache And so Marie Baby sat the lady friends Young son And she rushes over to find Steven in bed complaining he was getting stiff

In his arms and legs He couldn't swallow well And then there was saliva coming up through his mouth She calls an ambulance And he's Steven's foaming at the mouth And just in the paramedics try to get an oxygen tube Down his throat to keep him alive

But his throat's completely closed up He ends up dying at just 38 years old And a corner of the corner Of a heart attack A throat attack? Yeah The end of the story Oh well

So yeah, so fucking Steven dies With her father dead Marie Is now eventually moves in with She tries to move in with her mom In Florida because they were going to leave Frank then Frank comes back Fuckin' Beth takes him back again

So eventually Marie ends up Living in with her grandparents Her dad's parents in Mansfield near Fort Worth There she rolls at Mansfield High School The fighting Potted plants Dammit

That was good Imagine fighting potted plants Shards of clay pot All in your football pads They're mascots Just a big ficus Just the angriest ficus In all of Home Depot

Come and get ya Ficus, fuck you Fuck you Why aren't more high school Cheers ending in fuck you These days That's what it's all about Someone start that, please

Please Express yourself Now it becomes again a really great student And, but then In their senior year Marie meets A new best bestie best girlfriend She comes super close with this Fuckin' no joke named Stacey Hi

Oh hi Hi, like H-I-G-H Yes, good for her Stacey is a really Popular student, her parents had Divorced as well and that wasn't Really a normal thing in their school So she was like wanted to get to know Marie

Was one of the most mature girls she had ever met Like Stacey liked to go out and party and Marie was like Super studious and Stacey was like Maybe this will rub off on me Great, but she becomes super close But Stacey says she always feels like Marie Is holding back from her Oh, here's that photo of our friend Marie

Oh, okay In the fucking most amazing time of our lives Is, I mean Did she craft that jacket out of Pure sorrow? Or what? It's so... It's trying to be like, it's fine

Everything's fine Yeah But she looks all... Yeah, whatever, okay She's very pretty obviously, that was them I don't remember what the next one is Oh, that's her and her dad Yeah, look at him

Look at his socks They looked mismatched But that's just the shadow He didn't wear a light blue and white sock They're still... He's just such like a dad He's a total 38-year-old dad All right, so

So Stacey and Marie Marie wouldn't open up to Stacey But they spent a lot of time working on the school yearbook together Hanging out, Besties, etc Then in January 94, Marie and Stacey are studying Hamlet And Stacey has a favorite scene

In Hamlet, like as all high school students Do I don't know Never cracked one of those fucking books Never! And this is how the fucking story goes And we're like, Stacey, what really happened? Because you did not recite a soliloquy

Of the Danish monarch, Claudia Sue Poisoned his brother She's like, let me recite to you My favorite part, Stacey says And she recites this part about Hamlet You know, getting all up Killing her father, am I going to be okay? And all this shit

That was the Cliff's Notes version Yeah And Stacey's like, what'd you think of that? Marie and Marie's fucking sobbing And she's like, uh, you okay, dude? And Marie She said Marie's hand Started, Marie turned pale

Her hands were trembling, she begins to weep And then fucking confesses to Stacey That she killed her father What? The girl with the jacket Yeah Poison? Yeah

Fuck Yeah, that's right She tells her what happened was She's fucking getting aces In fucking chemistry class She finds a bottle Marked with a skull and crossbones And the word poisonous on it

And pours it into a napkin Sorry, none of that happened No, absolutely not This is the 90's where they're like Everyone at your own risk Let's see, at this high school We're going to line the poison bottles up over here And you can check them out

But please fill out this form But she's also like a really good student So it's possible she got like She was able to like come and go Hey, can I get into that poison closet I'm really mature I love Hamlet And shit

Can I just get a couple sips? Thank you So she got it, poured it into a napkin Brought it home and fucking slipped it into her father's Re-fried beans in their Takeout Mexican food He was the good one Fuck

She said She confessed That she had murdered her father by poisoning him Stacy, she's like You got to keep it a secret and Stacy's like Great I'm just like Hamlet and partying I kind of want to get into an okay college

Like one of those cops Okay, I'll be right back Door knob, door knob, door knob, door knob That's right Can you one second Before I keep that secret No, I don't want a bite of your food Uh

Stacy promises to keep Marie's secret Does so for weeks, but she's fucking Tormented by guilt, she's having nightmares Eventually, she's like I was so bothered by the idea that Marie Might be a totally different person than she thought she was I think she's gonna fucking kill me too Fair enough

And Stacy eventually tells the police But, okay, while the police Investigate, which I think takes like eight fucking months They still have to go to school together Oh, no I don't think Marie knows yet That Stacy told, so Stacy's like You know what, I'm gonna quit the yearbook staff

And kind of starts to distance herself From her And Marie's like, why every time you talk to me Do you not move your mouth? Well, can I Everything's great, I Secret, it's perfect I'll tell you one too

Let's share Doritos Share Doritos That's all of high school to me Oh, share Doritos, and those donuts Those packages of donuts That's for Marie Some donut gems The crumb ones, okay

The crumb ones will make you choke, by the way It's just a public service announcement Don't eat two crumb donuts in a row Or you will die It's true They're so dry We're doing the Lord's work We're getting the word out to people about

Choked Choking hazards Hello Okay, eventually So they have to pretend they're friends still Stacy's losing her shit Stacy She eventually goes to an after school program

At a private psychiatric treatment center In Mansfield, and she's like I need some help, my life Is swirling down the fucking toilet So it takes eight months For the testing to be done To see what kind of fucking poison Because to detect the poison

It's a specialized 15,000 150,000 dollar Machine Is required, which the medical examiner Is like Mr. Old Heart Attack Back there a couple years ago He didn't have that machine So it's just like heart attack

Heart attack, everyone There's a knife in someone's eye I don't know, I feel like the heart stopped At some point Better write it down He's a bison It seems to me This person died of a heart attack

I'm just going to try to make a bison sound I have no fucking clue Nobody knows No one knows what a bison It's a mystery They've all been rustled Okay So they finally find out

That it's barium acetate And it's 250 times The amount that's usually found in a person's blood I guess we have that in us It's found in poor Stephen And so At this point, Marie's a fucking freshman At the University of Texas

Here in Austin Oh shit The flying The fighting bass players They love to fight with each other Really This is not how you do it I'm going to get you out of here

That's the song And they're going to beat you in football At the Austin police station Marie just admits to killing her father Good Just make it quick And she's like What did he do to you?

Please give us a reason why you would have killed him Please tell us he molested you Because we can't fucking deal with this He was great He never did anything wrong And so she says that her motive Was that She believed her father's death was the only way

She could return to live with her mom And she said quote I just wanted to be with my mom so bad That I would do anything to be with her So this chick is fucking got some She's been this poor But also worse Yeah

When you're 16 You never want to be with your mom Everything your mom does You're like It's so sad It's not the way you're supposed to grow up Something going on And when her mom

Found out about the death of her Ex Before knowing that her daughter did it It sucks because I was actually about to come Get you and move us to Florida in a week And I just hadn't told you yet Yeah Marie's like

Bitch You gotta be fucking kidding me I said If only I had told Marie one week earlier Which is like none of this would have ever happened If only you had been a normal mom If only No it's not her fault

I have mom issues We're working some shit out Let us do it They used the life insurance money that Marie Received after Stephen's death 60 grand to hire two veteran Fort Worth defense attorneys Whose strategy was to convince the jury that Marie

Didn't know that she just wanted to get her dad Sick so she could move back Thinking it would lead to a lighter sentence Of manslaughter rather than murder But Marie who was 19 by this time There she goes 19 by the time she went to trial In 1995

She sawed quietly throughout much of the Trial And then Jim Roberts who was Stephen's dad Her fucking grandpa took the stand And was like Said that Marie should be forgiven And offered a probationary sentence

He was like it wasn't her fault I know it's so sad In the end the defense plan didn't work And Marie was convicted of murder And sentenced to 28 years in prison But she was released on parole for good behavior After 8 years in 2003 And she changed her name

And is now Here tonight come on That's right Get out here Bridget And that is The murder of Stephen Roberts That's so sad

I know That's that thing too When like you're a teenager And you have a lot of anxiety or stress Or whatever and then you come to these decisions And it's like everything's black and white It's a half to this or that And there's no other option

And you don't understand consequences yet completely Because your brain's not fully fucking Formed in shit I know we actually don't But do we have time for a hometown? The last hometown Oh my god I don't know what that says

Oh there he is Hi Hi These are not Anderson's chairs They're not They wouldn't sit in these things Those are much more plush with a wider arm Yeah you're right they usually do a velvet

Number Also I was following along I don't know if you mentioned but Marie the poison she got Was from her high school chemistry class with a bottle That just had a skull and crossbones I already said oh I said it was poison Karen made fun of me I gotta get out of here

Did he just mansplain My fucking murder To me No That's husband's point Vince has been getting into the Lone Star Back to you Okay

Hometown You guys know the rules basically But it's very important Please let it be local Austin we don't give a shit About what happened to you in Arizona And I'm not fucking kidding You have to make a quick

Beginning, middle, end It's very important that you tell a good story And it's very important that you tell it quickly Because if you get picked everyone hates you All right Georgia will now choose The hometown murder The last hometown murder You're sitting down

All right that way over there Where Vince is She's sober She's sober And I'm like no she's not What is that Glow of the dark thing saying I can't read it

Skull team It's a new thing they have out there Where people run around In groups of five They hold a skull It's called skull team It's hilarious So guys

God So much pressure Oh last night Last night when we were in Atlanta Someone gave us a raisin cake With a pentagram on top of it Just so you know the kind of gifts we're getting Hi what's your name

Did you say Carrie? Hi Carrie come here Georgia This is so crazy Take that microphone And then center up I am from Fort Worth Fort Worth

Okay so my story Is about my cousin Greg And he lived in Louisville Which is about three hours from here Shout out They do that to every city Oslo They love it

So Greg A lady named Carol And Carol Carol had Been with a boyfriend Named Earl Texas, you know good Texas

Boy name Earl was abusive Not a good guy And so when Greg Started dating Carol Earl who was also a realtor Got a key To her apartment

Got a locksmith to get a key To go into her apartment And he went in And they were in bed together Greg and Carol of course They were dating or whatever He got livid, so mad He storms out

And My cousin Greg was A subcontractor He had gotten a message That someone wanted To They needed some work done on a house And it was an empty house

So Greg Goes to meet This client at the empty house And He's shot In the head And killed in the garage So this was in the early

80s And what better way to cover up a murder in the early 80s Than to dump red paint Or write 666 on the garage And make it look like a satanic ritual Yeah, that's right So that's what happened And Earl put my brother's body

Into his own truck Into Greg's truck Drove it out on I-35 Parked it, put a flat tire on it So he sat there for a couple of days And finally The police found him

And they kind of tied it back And it was Earl who had set it up But unfortunately it was Only circumstantial evidence That they could find So he was never prosecuted Oh, sure But here's what I'll say

You ladies have encouraged me And inspired me And I really want to reach out To the Louisville Police Department And ask their cold case division To look back into this Because there have been so many developments So thank you ladies

Very, very much What an amazing story Thank you for sharing that Great job I have chills when I might cry I know, that was really amazing This is such a crazy community You guys, they're all made

I can't believe it This insane little thing That we had this fascination with By ourselves and watched all these TV Shows late at night about True crime and now we're all together Like normal people And realize how normal it is to have it

In your life and in your family Or just to be interested in it But you're not a sick fuck for being interested in it You're just, you know, human Yeah, it's very cool Yeah, we talk about this all the time And we try to freshen it up And make it new for every show

But we really are, we're just flabbergasted At the response that we've gotten For this podcast and the support And the community you guys have created For yourselves You raise money You fucking have get-togethers You fight your own anxiety

And you meet new people And you go out into the world And you're taking back the world around you And now you get to say what's weird What's allowed And, you know, we get a lot of credit For that, but you're doing it for yourselves And it's an amazing thing to see

So thank you so, so much For being here with us You too, balcony You too Shit Oh, tippy top All the way to the top Yeah

And yet another incredible tour With these fucking awesome Shows of our friends We're so lucky, thank you guys So much for coming and supporting us For almost three fucking years We meet We get to meet people at the meet and greet

And sometimes they'll go like We came to see you in this show And we're coming tomorrow and we went there last year And it's just We can't say it enough That we're having the best fucking time The incredible that this is our job now Thank you guys

Thank you Very much And Austin, especially This was a fucking amazing great show That we had the best time at Thank you for letting us What a perfect ending For this tour that's

It's been amazing shows, but oh my god What a huge hi to end on Thank you so much So stay sexy Bye Austin