My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 151 - Live at the Queen Elizabeth Theatre in Vancouver

Episode Date: December 13, 2018

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And over there. That's right. Now we're just going to do this for three hours. Different sections. Competing for sound. Thank you so much. You can tell that this is the fourth night of this leg of the tour. Because I have no idea what my hair is doing right now.

I really don't. Oh, I know what mine's doing. What's yours doing? It's fucking not getting washed and getting in pigtails. Oh, really? Yes. This is my, oh shit, I think I have to stop doing this when I turn 40. What am I going to do?

You mean no pigtails past 40? I don't, I keep pushing it further and further though. So I feel like I'm going to be no pigtails past 80 someday. I have an idea. You can keep the pigtails past 40 well into your 60s as long as you wear high vinyl boots and a mini skirt with them. Done. Done and done.

What if I just rip this and add that on underneath it? Speaking of outfits, look at yours. Oh, yes. Well, that's okay. Oh, Canada. Pockets. That's right. I have pockets.

Two. I asked for two in this one and they gave them to me. Wow. You must know someone at the top. I was like, you know what, add a second pocket. I have two hands and I'm going to use both of them. Well, I mean, what to say about my outfit. It's from Land's End.

Wonderful catalog for women who have their own rutabaga farms in New England. I didn't realize that they made dresses that fit me perfectly and have pockets until I ordered one and I was like, Land's End, you're my boyfriend forever. New boots that you hate because they hurt, but they're so cute. I've got boots that are making me pay for every sin I've ever committed in my life, which is fun. There's a guy right there. I know.

There you go. I got these tights at the drugstore right before I left Los Angeles. Don't do that to yourself. These tights are light gray at best. They're nowhere near black. So now I'm doing black, gray, black, ruined. The look is ruined. Cancel it.

But that's okay because my hair's all blacked up and I look like a girl named Donna who smokes at the bar, so that's the character I'll be doing tonight. Right? She's fun. Hello, Donna. Donna. Donna. Yeah.

She's the best to hang out with. Well, I look, I'll dress up tonight. Yes, you do. Thank you. Should I have said that to you? No. I mean, I'm not complimenting myself, truly, if this isn't dressed up, then I am fucking a quit, you know?

But when I, but I was going to tell them about what I look like when I fly. Yes, please do. I'm playing. That's the best. Oh my God. Okay. Here's the thing, you guys. Girls that look really pretty when they sleep and wake up.

Who are those girls? That's just not my thing. They have princess hair. Manicales? Yeah. No, not real. It's not me, which is fine. I don't think that's anything anyone needs to strive for.

No, right? If we're now worried about being hot while we sleep, let's just fucking give up. It's insanity. Let's not. But you know those movies where it's like, she looks like an angel. It's like, that's not me. I... Because they have fucking makeup artists that are coming in to touch them up every five

seconds. And they're not real. And they're not sleeping for real. It's a movie. Right. I have... Beauty standards, turns out. Perfect.

Perfect. Because the reality is sometimes what you look like when you're sleeping is that your fucking entire jaw has unhinged. And you are just wide open with your mouth open and you are on a plane and you're wearing sunglasses because the fucking asshole in front of you didn't get the memo that everyone else is fucking windshield. Is that what they call them? Nope.

It's closed. And so it's bright. And then it turns out you have a husband who takes a photo of you while you're sleeping. He's fun. And you love him. You still love him. Yeah. Go, go.

I swear to God, this one does not get old. It does not get old. You love it. You know what's really fun is people were posting. People took pictures of it last night and posted it. It's so much funnier from the back of the room. I swear to God. Just the scope of it.

I feel like this weekend has been the get over it tour for me. This is just how your life is like now and it's totally okay, which is what I'm like great. It's pretty great. And I love it. Vince, I don't know. I've told him before, like, I love when you take candid photos of me, but this isn't what I meant.

You didn't really mean candid at all. No. And he doesn't normally do that. And so when I woke up, he turned to me to show me what he had done. But he had his ear buds in, so he did that thing where you yell because you have music on. So we're on a plane, a small plane, shows me the photo, turns to me and yells what he thinks I look like.

He goes, the Unabomber! On a plane! The Unabomber! You shouldn't do that. If I was on the plane and I had my earbuds in and I was going to show you the picture, I would have said, blind Paddington Bear! But you weren't on that plane. Turns out I missed that plane.

Here's the thing. This lifestyle I really love, and I want to make it as rock and roll as possible. What I did was, because normally, and this is kind of boring, but normally we leave for our flights out of LAX, which is 1,000 miles away from where anyone lives in Los Angeles, but they actually made or booked us on a flight out of Burbank, which is literally 10 minutes down the street from my house. It's so exciting. It's like you just breeze in, they're like, you look fine and you just get in.

It's the easiest thing ever. It's easy, it's very small. Right. They have fucking valet parking. They do. They know who it's for. Yeah. Total assholes in Los Angeles.

Exactly. Our flight was at 9.30 and I left my house at 9.15. I don't know. At what point did you realize that was, had you, I don't know, I have so many questions. I can actually tell you. So fucking obsessive compulsive on timey person, I just, I'm striving to understand. I don't think I can explain it to you because I'm an obsessive compulsive, not timey person where, you know, I'm almost 50 years old and clocks still baffle me.

I'm like, what? How is it that time? Like they're actually being mean to you. Yeah. They're attacking me personally. I had detoured myself a bit plucking every hair off of my face before I went. Sometimes you just want to have a very thin eyebrows on the airplane. I don't know.

I don't know what happened. All I know is when I went out to pick up my bag and I looked at the clock, I just started screaming fuck really loud. Like that was going to get me there faster. But what was funny is, and I kind of love stuff like this, is when I went up to the counter to check in at Alaska. The woman, when I said, oh, I'm on the 930 flight to Portland, she goes, the 930 flight? What?

It's already closed. Like it was her fucking flight. Like I ruined her tour weekend. Like she had a show in Portland to get to that night. I was like, bitch, I'm butting that vest. You're not going anywhere. So I had to text, as an adult, had to text another adult and tell them that I missed my fucking flight that was arm's reach from the front door of my house.

Vince was like, no problem. I'm going to book you on the 11 a.m. flight. And here's how he's a brilliant man because he's teaching me how to not miss my flight anymore. Instead of flying first class on Alaska, I was now flying on Southwest. That's right. That's right. You know that one that you have to line up for with people who have never seen numbers

before in their fucking lives, it turns out. With all the people, there's like a section of businessmen that like to fly Southwest and talk about their dumb jobs at the top of their fucking lungs. Have you ever sat in front and the front of two businessmen were like, well, last week we were in Albuquerque. It's like, sir, the yelling is unnecessary. That guy was, I hate to break this Southwest hate fest we have going on, but that guy was on my flight.

And I was in that first class we spoke of sleeping like this. And the general manager of Albuquerque, fucking swear to God, I swear to God. They're all the same. It's one actor going around and pissing people off. It's like a prank show that never pays off. And then. So then, but I go, I interrupted her because no, I think that was it. Okay, great.

We're talking about airplane flights and shit, these people do not care. How can they? How can they? Oh, that's being of that. This is my favorite murder at the podcast. Oh, hello. Thanks, guys. This is Karen Cagara.

And this is Georgia Hardstar. Hi. We're very happy to be here in Canada with you guys. Yeah. We had a very exciting thing happen at the border. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You guys all drove up today and we were behind you.

Yeah. Because when we got to the lady in the, in the box, then standard overall our papers and information and she said, what are you doing or whatever? And then said, we have a show tonight in Vancouver and she goes, Oh, you guys are doing the show? And we're like, yeah. Yeah. And she's like, Oh, I ever, uh, what did she say? Everyone coming through is going.

Yeah. Or something like that. She didn't, she, she said something like, I don't have to ask about it because the last 10 people told me about it. You guys are our ground team spreading the word. Thank you so much. Because we were able to smuggle so much heroin into this country. They never looked twice at us.

That's right. Reposing as podcasters. We have an international drug smuggling ring. Well, best cover ever. Uh, Steven's not here. No. There's none of room under this table for him. Do you want to know where he is?

I'll show you where he is. Oh. That gets sent to me the other day from my house of Mimi. I mean, have you seen a bitchy or cat's face in your life? Truly. But those judgmental cats. She's like, you're not using that filter, are you? Right.

Here's the thing. At some point in the future, Steven's going to be, I think, a father and a husband. Okay. Can you imagine stumbling upon a picture of your father like that, just being like, what the fuck? Oh my God. My dad used to dress up like a rabbit online. Oh my God.

And get judged by cats that look like Daria. And like. Oh my God. Dad. Holy shit. Mom, the Easter Bunny's here, and I think he might be a sex pervert. Mom, Mom, the Easter Bunny has a message. Or maybe she's having flashbacks because every year I have these Easter Bunny, this

like Easter Bunny bonnet I put on her. You put on Mimi? Yeah. Oh, she doesn't like that. No, but it's so quick. I do it so quickly, I get one photo and then I put it up and it makes me happy and makes me joy. And she realizes that that's happening.

No. Look at her. No, I know. If she was on the stairs and I was there, I just wouldn't go upstairs. I mean, Mimi doesn't fuck around. Yeah. It's like putting a bonnet on Ruth Bader Ginsburg or something like that. Like, who are you?

Why would you do such a thing? If anyone knows computers, could you please give Mimi a Ruth Bader Ginsburg type bun? Just that real, tight, colored, hardcore, old, ballerina. That's your thing today. That's your assignment. That's your assignment. If you choose to accept it. And then we have one more that I want to show you of what Stephen did to my cat.

I don't know where he fucking even got that, you guys. It came out on Thursday, that like new line of shit, and he somehow acquired one. I did get my flu shot, and I got $5 off, $25, and then he dressed my cat, which feels like a personal, you know, attack. It is an attack on you, for sure. In a shirt that says that he's himself. And I know that sweet look in his face of why, you know. Like I know that look.

I've seen it when I hold him like a baby, and he's like, I don't want to do this, but I love you. It's that. Or maybe you put like reindeer antlers on him at Christmas. He's Jewish. Oh, sorry. He's Jewish. He's the world's only Siamese Jew cat.

No, there's a lot of them, actually. Are there really? It's a whole network. We have a Facebook page. Subgroups. Little yamakas we put on. You should actually get just one single shirt made that says, I'm the Elvis. I'm the Elvis.

Right? I'm the Elvis. And I'm in. I'm never mind. We'll work it out. We'll work it out. Back stage. Sorry, guys.

We're workshopping for the next show. Do you mind if we just talk about merch for a while? We're going to have a quick merch meeting. And get back to you. That's right. We sit down. Yeah. Let's do it.

Oh, yes. Yes, Canada. We ordered the punk rock chairs. And we got them. The punk rock chairs. This chair is about to tell me to fuck off when I sit on it. Okay. I can handle it.

That's right. Like, these chairs have Mimi's look on her face. Yeah. They seem so much. They have. That's comfortable. There we go. And here and there.

Oh, I like these. There's a little ring down there. Or like a bar. I can hook my boot heels on the back of it. And then just what? What? You're scaring me. I wish I was closer to the edge of the stage for that.

What? Crowd surfing. We have to start crowd surfing. Totally. Would you guys? We just break everyone's fingers. They're poor faces. People who are fingers.

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don't care, aren't interested, don't get it. But that promised a nice dinner. Right. Kind of wish you would order something more expensive to make this worth it. But so for those people who aren't sure, there's a true crime comedy podcast, which are, you know, some might argue diametrically opposed concepts, true crime being all about murder and the loss of human life and tragedy, and then comedy. And it can be very kind of complex and layered.

It's like, I just realized it's those two, you know, comedy and tragedy. Masks. Yeah. That's right. Why isn't that our logo? That should have been our logo. Yeah. It is going to be our logo.

Next year, we're going to turn our logo to the comedy tragedy masks of theater. I mean, truly nothing legitimizes you more than the comedy and tragedy. That's right. It's like, we're, we're of the theater and we're also fucking nerds. Yeah. So, yeah. Listen to our podcast. Right.

Anyway, the whole point of this speech is that sometimes that comedy, combination of those two things might be offensive to some people who don't know us or don't listen. It might, it might seem wrong to you. If you're one of those kind of people, we just, we really want you to know you should get the fuck out now because it's, it's not going to get better. It won't get better. That's right. You know, before we start, I printed up some fun Vancouver trivia.

Do you want to hear it? You did? Yeah. She didn't tell me that I, that was, that was my, my reaction from the theater. Truly. You did? You did? Yes.

Tell me everything. Well, cause Steven sometimes sends us an email of trivia. Yeah. God bless his soul. He really busts his ass for us and all we do is just give him shit and make fun of him on stage. That's not cool. He's like, truly loves my cats.

And I'm like, oh, don't put a shirt on it. But like Steven's trivia, I think one of the only things in that email, it just said that the California role was invented here. We're just like, thanks guys. Thanks Steven. Although interesting, what the fuck? It's nothing like this trivia that I got out of the Vancouver sun. For real.

In 1908, Jeff, the boxing kangaroo, amused big crowds at the Pantages Theater. So that's, that's the kind of shit we have to follow tonight. We're going to follow that. I don't know. Shit. Jeff, somebody named a kangaroo Jeff in 1908. Oh my God. It's called being a visionary.

Yeah. Ahead of his time. I mean, in 1909, the following year, Vancouver took its first mechanized ambulance out for a test drive and it immediately ran over and killed an American tourist. No. Yep. No. Oh my God.

RIP. That sucks. Wow. What a bummer. Jeff, the boxing kangaroo was on the sidewalk giggling behind his hand. Jeff. Fucking stupid American. In 1931, the province newspaper had this startling lead to a story.

One person in every 300 in British Columbia is insane. That's hilarious. Including your ambulance drivers. Maybe that was back when ambulance drivers had to like stir up their own business. You know what I mean? Yeah. It was like a private company. Yeah.

They were like, well. In 1920, oh wait, I didn't do this chronologically. In 1920, in Surrey, loggers found an eagle's nest so big it was too large for a farm wagon to haul away. Well, that just makes you assume that the person knows how big a farm wagon is. I'm from the suburbs. I'm pretty sure every farm wagon is standardly about two bales of hay wide. And four long, right?

I would say. Stack them up four. Right. Well, it sounds like a big nest. I mean, I'm saying it was a fucking pterodactyl nest and no one's talking about it. I'm here tonight to say you guys. Legends are the land of the lost. And on October 11th, 1939, Vancouver's first public aquarium opened.

The manager was an American named Ivar Haglund who later moved to Seattle and opened a restaurant called Ivar's Acres of Clams. He's always been into seafood. He fucking loves it. Oh my God. I don't want acres of clams personally. I'd like just half a dozen. You could.

It would take you so long to walk over acres of clams. Okay. The final one is Margeron has been, was banned in British Columbia for 70 years. You guys, you guys are not fucking having Margeron. No. What did Margeron ever do to you? The British Columbia dairy industry. It was Margeron, they, they banned it in 1886.

Well, what happened? They only unbanned it in 1949. What happened in 1885, everyone? And someone who was like in charge of banning shit got a bad batch of Margeron was like, fuck this shit. Someone like was given a piece of toast and they bit into it and they were like, who put Vaseline on my toast? I don't want that shit.

Yeah. And they were like, oh no, we're passing off as butter now. And they were like, no, you're not. And when did it come back in the 80s? 49. Okay. Because remember how big it got in the 80s? That was Margeron's fucking heyday.

Everyone lost their shit. Every, every, every one's mom who was reducing. Yes. They were talking jazzercise. And Jena Craig. Yep. Yes. That was the, I can't believe it's not Butter Years.

Right. Yeah. Let's talk about that. I couldn't believe it. It wasn't butter. Let's talk about Country Crock. I thought it would be fun to kick off with some trivia. I loved it.

Local trivia. I loved it. Thank you. Listen, you did it. You guys did it. You guys didn't think Jeff, not us. It was you all along. Well, there hasn't been a Kangaroo named Jeff.

It was living in five yields. Now do it as a drunk person. Oh my gosh. Do you know Jeff? Hold on. Do you know Jeff? I'm going to tell you about Jeff. That's okay.

Don't clap for drunk Karen or she'll come back. You'd love it, wouldn't you? I know. I would fucking hate it. You would? I bet like a day would be great. Yes. I'm kidding.

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He called it the ghost buster button because there's just a circle with an X through it. And we knew immediately what he meant. Let's go off foam party stars. We'll press it as we leave the stage. Okay. I'm stalling because, all right, this is what happens. Let me just tell you, I'm first, right? Yes.

Because I chose to be. I think this thing happens, you know, you're going through your week and you're like, I got to pick my rotors for this weekend and you like do this, you know, sweet Steven sends you a list of like ideas with like one line of description in the beginning. You're like, I can't do that. I can't do that. Great. Fine.

I'll do that. Like I did fucking, what did I get? D.B. Cooper yesterday was just like, this is what's going to happen. This one. Good. It was really good. It was fun. I had a great time.

Well, that's all that matters. So this one I picked and then I started and I was dialed in and then I started researching it. How come no one ever told me about this one? It's the most insane thing I've ever never heard about. Really? I'm like obsessed with it now. It's the Abbotsford killer.

What in the fuck, you guys? True. Everyone's yelling at us about a fucking asshole pig farmer when meanwhile, this is the most insane thing I've ever heard of in my life. Shit. Okay. And it did bring me, the one thing that this brought me, that is joyful, is that I listened. There's not a lot of information when you just like articles, but there's a lot of documentaries

and then there's a couple podcast episodes about it from True Crime Podcast, which brought me to my new favorite podcast. It's a Canadian true crime and dark history podcast called Dark Poutine. Amazing, truly, how great is that? Like you just immediately know you're going to like these dudes. It's great. It's great. I mean, it is already dark, right?

Do you have any questions about it? I'll ask later. I just, God bless you for that name, wonderful, wonderful work. So I listened on the way from Seattle to here and it's, there's beautiful, fall leaves. Oh, it's so gorgeous. So gorgeous. We don't have that in California. We don't have trees.

We don't. Everything burnt down. Oh, I didn't fucking do it. Yes, she did. No. I was out there in the forest. Give me a kiss. I have matches.

I have matches. Do you want matches? All right. So let's get into this because shit. Okay. All right. Around 5.30 in the morning on October 14th, Saturday, 1995 in Abbotsford, British Columbia. It's about an hour from here, right?

On a good day. I don't know. A 16-year-old girl named Misty Cockerel stumbles bleeding, beaten, and nearly hypothermic into the front doors of MSA General Hospital. Despite a massive fracture in her skull, she's conscious. They said it's the size of a fist, a whole size of a fist. She's conscious and able to tell them that she had just woken up in the parking lot right by there after having been beaten by a man with a baseball bat and that she was with

her friend at the time, 16-year-old Tanya Smith, and Tanya is now missing. She had just woken up, come to, stumbles through the fucking corridors. Despite all her injuries, she survives, and later that morning she tells police that Tanya, so this is the story she tells police. She and Tanya had been at a party that Friday night, so it's Friday the 13th, and they were at a party in Surrey. They left around midnight, got a ride closer to home, and they decided to walk a few blocks to a different party, a couple blocks from their house, and they're all joking about

it being Friday the 13th. Misty, who has a great dark sense of humor, says that she joked, watch some guys going to jump out of the bushes and try to rape us. And she said that we laughed it off and continued walking. Just a few blocks into their walk, they stop when they heard a man's voice behind them, and the guy said something like, you bitches want a party, something terrifying. They dismissed him, someone else's hole kept walking, and he did it again, and they turned around and they noticed that he had no aluminum baseball bat in his hand.

The guy steps out of the bushes, grabs him both by the arms, and pulls them through, it's like a tall, thick hedge, pulls them through into the parking lot. He orders the girls to strip, and Misty doesn't move, Tanya starts to take her clothes off, and as the guy focuses on Tanya, Misty realizes that he had put his baseball bat down. This fucking bat ass chick grabs the bat and swings it at him and hits him. She was like, she refused to run and get help, and she just didn't want to leave her friend, so she hits him, they start struggling, she yells for Tanya to run, but Tanya didn't want to leave her friend either.

And unfortunately, he gets a hold of the bat and begins to hit her with it. She says she counts seven hits before she blacks out. When she comes to, and this is what, this is another thing she later says, is she remembers as she's lying on the ground after the seventh hit, she says, I open my eyes and I see my high school, because it was like across the street, and I remember thinking that that's going to be the last thing I see is my high school, but what they don't put in that, the article I read and I had to see somewhere else is, I was pissed off because I fucking hate that place.

Which I was, I mean, amazing. Seriously, the first thing I thought is like that's the most depressing thing of all time. Oh, there. So, and it's great, so these girls are 16 and it's 1995, that's, and they're in high school, it's exactly my age pretty much, and I just, the thought of me being 16 and going through this, you know, it's insane to me that they went through this and that Misty was able to fucking joke about it this way, it's bananas. When she comes to, when she woke up after being, after passing out, she comes to you,

Tanya's gone, she finds her way to the hospital through the front doors and she describes their attackers very tall with a receding hairline and remembers looking into his eyes and knowing that he and Ted are not killing them. Then later, it's said that as she entered the emergency room and stumbled in, the triage nurse caught sight of her and began to scream. And she says- That's a hard thing to do. That's really saying something, it's just a fucking triage nurse.

She says, quote, I thought, man, whoever came in behind you must be in really rough shape. I know, this sweet baby angel. Shit. Sadly, later that morning at about 7.30 a.m., fishermen at Better Canal, which is about 10 miles away, find the naked body of Tanya Smith. She had been severely beaten, sexually assaulted, and then thrown in the river face down where she drowned. This killer became known as the Albertsford Killer.

So Albertsford is a Bible Belt community. I think it was really conservative at the time, I don't know if it still is, it's like a bedroom suburb of Vancouver, it is. Welcome. We're glad to have you. And so of course, I mean, like any time, they're like fucking shocked that that happens here, like, you know, they're into Jesus and stuff. Don't say his name like that, Georgia.

Who? Jesus. Jesus. Okay, so they're all fucking freaked the fuck out over this, understandably. And I grew up in a fucking Republican town, too, that was suburban Bedriny community, and the shit would have, we would have lost our minds. So a joint investigation is launched between the Albertsford police and the Chilliwack RCMP.

Chilliwack? Yeah, you did it. Chilliwack. I was like, I know I'm going to get that wrong when I saw it earlier. Days after their attack, okay, look, okay, days after the attack, they're setting up a hotline for tips and they get a fucking phone call. Let me show you the girls real quick, I'm sorry, let's get that up. I look like that, she has a choker on, I wore chokers, okay.

Oh yeah. It was required in the 90s. So they get a phone call, they're not yet taping, so that's not recorded. The callers, they're taping, but they're not tracing it, thank you. The caller says that he's Tanya's killer and he was giving them a chance to find him before he starts looking for his next victim. He gave a gruesome piece of evidence that only the killer would know that they had, of course, kept out of the media and that he had bitten Tanya's nipple and he tauntingly

told them that it tastes good. This fucking asshole piece of shit. So the call, that was like the second call he had made, that call's traced, the time police arrived at the location, the caller had fled, it was a phone booth and they dusted it for fingerprints, can't find any and 20 minutes later or so, the man calls back and asks if the police thought he was foolish enough to leave fingerprints behind. So he's just fucking taunting them at this point. He continues to call the police, taunt about his next kill and when it's going to happen,

he belittles them for not being smart enough to catch him, he's just fucking enjoying it and in the Dark Poutine podcast, they play all the, they play the, what are they called? The calls? His phone calls? His voice and shit. Oh. Yeah. I mean, he just sounds like a normal, it's that thing of like no one would have known,

he sounds like a normal dude and you think he's going to sound like a monster, he just sounds like a fucking normal person, it's creepy, I'm sure the town was freaking the fuck out. Okay, so the calls terrorize the Lower Mainland and they're gripped by fear, Inspector Rob Giel described the driver case, oops, I just gave something away, as one of the most bizarre in his 27 years of police work, he says, I hope I never see anything like it again, the way this individual taunted the community and put this community in a state of fear was like nothing we had ever seen before.

So a fucking suspect, three people calling this, okay, so, okay, a sketch gets drawn. Okay. All right, composite sketch based on Misty's description of him, there's two of them and these are them. Oh yeah. Take a look at those, you see those in the paper and you're like, well, I'm moving. And never leaving the house again. That looks like David Thulis, the great British actor, but you know, in a bald cap.

So creepy. Just like a weasel with a Hitler mustache, for fuck's sake. So okay, imagine this dude and three people call in and they're like, that looks exactly like this dude, I know, and I saw a video of this guy, it looks exactly like this dude. It's so creepy, this guy's holding, they are like, we've got the guy, he looks exactly like him and he's kind of like a methi street dude. They hold him, and you know, they have DNA and they have the bite mark, so they do a dental impression, they do the DNA testing, which it's the fucking mid-90s, so it takes

two months, they keep him in custody that long before finding out the DNA doesn't match and it's not him. And they have a video of him like piecing out of the fucking, he's just like, later days. And through that entire time, the guy had stopped calling. So they were like, we've got him, but really what probably happened was, he's like, great, someone's gonna go down for this for me, so he fucking quieted it out and latered. So, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. Okay.

So then the cops are like, well, they're starting over, they need new suspects, they need this guy to call back. So they decide to put out an article taunting him on purpose. They tell him that in the article it says psychologists think he's too scared to call again or he's taunting him. He responds by doing this insane fucking thing. On February 17th, 1996, a call is made to the local radio station and at Radio Max and DJ Mike Chicone, he gets a call and the guy is like go look at the radio station car that's

got plastered with a, it's probably a PT Cruiser, I don't know. You're seeing it in your mind's eyes, a purple PT Cruiser with Radio Max across the side. Big Mike you see on mornings. And they go to car sales openings and dog walks, I don't know. What's a dog walk? Dog walks. Dog parade. The radio shows up when you're walking your dog.

I don't know why dog walk got in there just now. Maybe it's because you showed me a photo from the circleville pumpkin show today of the animal parade and there is a, tell them what that was. Someone was walking a duck. Did you see that? On a leash. On a leash. My dream is to get Elvis.

How close would you walk a duck? Well, walking a duck is like, well, you know, I'm doing it. On a leash, I said, sorry, no, it's great. This is insane. Okay. Fuck it. Mike you see. Yeah.

Goes out to the Radio Max car and finds that someone had tossed a concrete headstone, gravestone on the fucking hood of the car. It's fucking Tanya's headstone. Oh, what the fuck? I fucking know. If this was a movie, I'd be like, I'm not watching this anymore. Yes. It's stupid and bad.

It's like that real, like, can you imagine, then they show Mike see in like some old video and he's just like some, you know, like some kid guy. I'm sure he's just like moving. I'm moving. Goodbye. That's insane. So he had gone and fucking stolen Tanya's gravestone and there was a photo of her on it and he had fucking exched messages into it, including saying, I'm still out there.

I'm the one. And quote, she wasn't the first and she won't be the last. And then he writes, one day, Misty and Misty is the one that survived. And her whole family is already in fucking protective custody or on what's it called, this protection program, obviously you want to see if too bad, you have to see it. Whoa. Where is it? Right there.

See? Holy shit. I know. Well, how have we never heard of this? I know. The fucking pig farmer again and this. You guys are holding back. All right.

So in there and there. Okay. Hold on. Okay. Okay, the community, everyone just starts screaming. We don't blame you. Everyone just goes grocery shopping and lives in like Mozerlawn while they're screaming. Which I totally, yeah, we understand.

Then two days later, a note taped around a heavy wrench is thrown through the front picture window of a woman who's fucking home alone with her kids at the time. Later determined she has nothing to do with it, she just fucking picked a window. Inside the envelope containing the note mentioned three other assaults that the killer wanted credit for. He included clippings from the articles in the Vancouver Sun on the unsolved murders of three women, Vancouver sex worker Linda Tatray, Colleen Schuch of Burnaby, who was attacked after getting off a bus, and Kim Stolberg, who was killed at her father's Richmond

engineering office while she was arranging a surprise fucking wedding anniversary for her parents. All three women are stabbed to death in 1989, six years earlier. But although horrified investigators finally have a break that they think they can use, the killer left a crucial mistake behind in his fingerprint on the tape that had been used to tape it together. So they kept that part secret. So the police tried many tactics to get the killer to contact them again.

They set up a sting operation in malls and a phone booths across the city. They of course recorded and staked out Tanya's funeral as well. And they published fake stories. And then they had also released a lot of info on the killer, including of course the sketches. And then parts of the recorded calls he had made, they were like, can someone please just fucking recognize this goddamn voice and tell us who this is? And then they offered a $40,000 reward leading to the arrest. So they have this plea, they put the, oh, they put the voice, what he sounds like out,

and then they, if you want to hear it again, you have to call the state hundred number. And they put a fucking tap on it so that people who called more than like three times, they were just like, why are you literally like knocking on the door or like, why are you fucking crazy? Why are you doing this? You're like, nope, just a murdering, oh, sorry. Just trying to solve the crime for you. That's kind of my passion anyway.

Great to meet you. You look great in that jacket. Around this time, a woman and her son hear the voice and kind of lose their shit. Because they fucking think they recognize it. It sounds like the woman's son. And the family, the rest of the family agrees. But the composites sketch looks nothing like him. So they're like, well, maybe it's not him.

Let's just call it in. So the police go to the house and they're like, it doesn't look anything like him. What we have to check it out anyways, let's just have a quick little chat with him. But the guy is sketchy as fuck and he refuses to give any DNA or any fingerprints or take a lie detector test, which immediately they're like, well, you're stupid. So finally, the dude comes in the next day with a lawyer and he says that he'll give them his fingerprints, but they can only use it to try to match and then they have to destroy them.

They can't use them again. Okay. Any other restrictions or needs that you have about giving your fingerprints, you fucking creep? Right. That's me as the secretary at the police station. Sassy cop operator. I dig it.

Right? My new show? More than 9,400 suspects had been questioned and all these people had given DNA and fucking fingerprinted and taken dental shit before. And finally, when this fucker comes in, they finally catch 31-year-old Terry Driver and he's arrested. Whoa. That's right.

Yes. Fucking God. I don't remember what else I, that's him. Whoa, it doesn't look, that's so weird. And it kind of does once you see some other photos, there's like a, he's like a, yeah. But the receding hairline is, that's a problem. No receding hairline, but it cut like his nose in a couple angles that looks like him. He's just disgusting.

But the Weasley picture looks nothing like that at all. Anything like him. So the methie dude who was held for two months was like, fuck you, bitches. And we were like, fair enough. I was there now. I don't know. So then they gave him the key to the city. So this fucking asshole, he's married with two children.

And the reason my hair isn't pigtails is because, and I didn't have time for a shower is because just as I was about to do that, I find that she had done a like, I married a monster episode of something. And I was like, well, I'm staying up and I'm watching this. These are the sacrifices we make in this podcast for you guys. Yeah. So he's just a fucking dude who's married with two children. Of course, he's super controlling all this crazy shit.

He works at a print shop. He had worked there for five years. Of course, everyone's shocked it's him and couldn't believe it, blah, blah, blah. His father had been a hero cop with the Vancouver police department, which you see in every fucking article. And our friend Scott at Dark Poutine is like, well, guess what? I used to fucking hang out at his house when I was a kid. What?

It's insane. He was friends with his brother. I feel like you have to listen to the episode and tell you about it. You're like, my friend Scott told me. So he knows all about these people. And he was like, yeah, they had a room that was just full of Nazi memorabilia. No. Uh-oh.

Uh-oh. So I was right about that fucking Hitler moustache, wasn't I? I was, I was intuiting it. I know a Nazi when I see a drawing of a Nazi. And as, when Terry was a kid at like two years old, think of a baby, a two year old. They take him to the doctor and like, we can't fucking manage this child. Like two. He doesn't respond to, you know, basic discipline.

He's already like fucking with people at by five. They were like, we can't handle him and they put him in a home for like, uh, badly behaved children. I'm sure there's a name for that. That sounds like a horror movie, but that's not what just you just behave badly. You're going into a home. I love that idea. You know, Canada's very strict and they just manners first is what, um, the national motto

is. That's right. You took the last piece of margarine toast, you're going to school. Oh, sorry. Looks like you're going to the home. You know, it's so funny that just made me think a girl that I worked with, we were all talking about like crazy shit your parents lied to you about when you're a kid and she said that her dad told her that until she was 10, she could still, uh, she could be

put up for adoption legally. We were all, we were all talking about how our parents controlled us. Like my dad just had a stare that was honestly like, I think heat, heat lasers, cause you could be doing anything and then you'd look over and you'd be like, oh my God, you just creep you out from the side. They're good at that. But she honestly, until she was 10, thought she was going to be given away. That's horrible parenting, but truly she made it to Hollywood.

Also she now craves gratification via television writing. That's right. Um, okay. So he went to the home. He's a freaking asshole. He of course is obsessed with being a cop. He wants to be a cop. He's also into breaking into houses and like stealing money from his work all through

high school. He's like a problem child, obviously, psychopath classic path during the, so they go to trial. Oh, Scott also has a story. Our friend Scott at dark between also has a story. My best friend. Another insane story about how he worked at a fucking paper recycling plant. And one day through the line comes like secret files from his pretrial that someone had decided to recycle instead of shred.

You know some guy named Eric at the fucking cops office and he's like, no, no, I love trees. So it's like, it could have given him a mistrial. He could have gotten off because of this. He just takes it out of the regular garbage. She's like, guys, we've talked about this. So we have to save the planet. Let's act locally.

It's like truly, someone at the recycling plant was smart enough to pull that off the line. Scott. What? He worked there? Yes. Hold on. Are you sure this doesn't have straight up bullshit podcast?

I don't think it is. Are you guys friends with him? He's real, right? Yeah. Is he a total liar? He's their best friend. Don't call him a liar. How bananas is that?

That's crazy. And it's like they have like 40 something episodes now. It's their third episode that they do. It's fucking great. Okay. So what was number one? If this was number three. Okay.

So here's the fucking trial. Of course. He testifies. They were like, okay, they have a bite mark. They have DNA. And they have fingerprints against us. We're fucked. Here's what we do.

We say, and he fucking testifies, I stumbled upon them, passed the fuck out. As people say this, I raped and took Tanya and threw her and realized she was dead and threw her in the water. And then I dropped Misty off at the hospital unconscious and left her there. And he says he fucking, yeah, it's like the most bullshit story ever. Well, and also he's choosing a terrible thing. It's not like he's choosing the better option where it's just like someone else was awful and beat them, but I was good enough to rape and then drop one off.

What the fuck is the thinking there? And it's also like after all this, like these phone calls and taunting and like really almost like seeing like he really is enjoying all this attention to just be such a fucking bitch and not be like, yeah, I'm guilty. He pitched out. Yeah. That was a classic move. Asshole.

He said three doctors are called as defense witnesses, who have to be real proud of themselves, to explain drivers, teres, impulsive sexual behavior and bizarre post-crime calls. Because they're like, yeah, it was me who called and did all the other shit. They said he suffered from, the reason he did it is that he suffered from Tourette's syndrome and that I know. No. Uh-uh. No.

Fuck you. Yeah. That's not what Tourette's syndrome is. I know. It's a special subset of Tourette's where you always pick up the phone first. Yeah. I can feel terrible taunts and threats coming on. Yeah.

Hold on, hold on. Let me call the police. Gotta call the radio station. Um, and then he also, and then it was also explained by OCD and ADD, ADHD. And I was like, well, we all have that. Yeah. Everyone's handling it fine. Yeah.

Um, prosecutor Sean Madigan said he was, he was pissed off about the defense using those disorders to explain away his behavior because, quote, there are a lot of people with these afflictions and they function very well in society and I hated to see them branded the same as the Abbotsford killer. Um, amen. Fucking badass Misty shows up at the trial, fucking testifies on the stand, looks him right in the fucking face, points him out when they ask him who did it and, and fucking recounts her entire fucking story and does it in his fucking face.

Yeah. It's amazing. Incredible. Sorry. I was getting. No, I liked it. I liked it. It's fun.

Um, he, uh, Terry driver's convicted in 1997 of first year, the first degree murder of Tanya Smith and the attempted murder of Misty Cockerel and declared a dangerous offender and sentenced to the mandatory term of life in prison with no parole for 25 years. Um, and, and then another 10 years concurrent prison term and, uh, the, the labeling him a dangerous offender means that he'd probably never fucking get out and, which is great. And the Paul, like they made that up when Paul Borendo did his fucking head thing, Bernardo. Let her say what she wants. Yeah, right.

I even wrote Borendo shit. Shit. Yeah. Oh shit. Shit. Um, in a later child who's convicted of the two assaults, the two of the assaults he mentioned in the note he threw out the window. Um, he had also, uh, so one of those, those two were that he assaulted a mentally ill woman

living in a group home and he hit another woman over the head with a bat, fracturing her skull and causing permanent brain damage. So he's convicted for those two assaults. Good. Um, after, okay. So after the trial, Misty finished high school and received his scholarship for the Canadian, from the Canadian crime victim foundation to attend the, what do I do? To attend the university college of the free.

You made it so she can't read. I'm scared. She gets a BA in sociology. Now she, now a day she volunteers for victim services and she said her, her deal has made her learn a lot about herself and the support network that's available for assault victims and, uh, in the Providence. She is just coaches people in those lectures and, and talks and it's just this incredible victims advocate now.

Um, she said quote, uh, victims are stigmatized to feel sorry for themselves forever and it was really my, and it wasn't really my thing. I didn't feel sorry for myself. I love her. I know. She's a mother of two daughters and she still lives in Abbotsford and works as, uh, has also worked as a bereavement counselor for families of homicide victims. Wow.

She's amazing. She says that being a victim of assault doesn't define her and she prefers to see herself as a survivor and that is the Abbotsford. Wow. Wow. That is an episode of I survived. No. Yeah.

She's on. I survived. Shit. I just realized that, um, when you said the thing about the hedge, it's just a weird detail from the beginning. Wow. Um, yeah. I wish I hadn't washed my bangs in the sink and had more time to watch that.

I would have skipped that step all together. Well, the thing too is there, none of those details like that, the, um, headstone thing wasn't in there. Jesus Christ. Yeah. That's unbelievable. Yeah. I just want to talk about the mysterious floating severed feet of the Salish Sea.

Holy shit. It's not inspiring and it's not, you know, a survival story. It's just fucking weird. It's a series of weird things that people are trying to tell us isn't a big deal and it is a goddamn, but they're trying to explain it away. They're trying to make me not theorize that there's a very specific serial killer or shark out there. Yeah.

Doing weird shit or a fucking duo of a sharks and a serial killer. Oh my God. Yeah. A land sea duo. Yeah. A surf and turf killer duo. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Canada. You've got it all. Oh wait. We'll be moving here within six months with someone start the paperwork. There's one more photo. That's Misty now. There she is.

Yep. Yep. She is in, she's on an eye survived. She's super badass on I survived. Amazing. Yeah. If you see her say hi to us, please Abbotsford. Oh.

All right. Do you recognize that? It's the West Coast. Oh yeah. It's the West Coast of United States and Canada. We've been there this entire weekend. This is where we call our home this weekend. Up and down.

Up and down. Up and down it. It's beautiful. Oh, we've driven hither and yawn. I asked, this was the original, but then I asked even to zoom in. I asked him to zoom in and this is what I got. Stephen, can you make it look kind of like modern art and not help informationally in any way?

And he was like, I'm on it, Karen. I love ya. So we'll just do that. Okay. Be a little more helpful. Okay. Oh, god damn it. I got this information from the National Post, The New York Times, a wonderful website

called Atlas Obscura that I love, Vox.com did a really good kind of comprehensive thing on it and then of course, really my second brain, Wikipedia. Okay. I thought you were going to say, just conjecture. And then of course my own personal theory. Okay, since August 20th, 2007, beach comers in the Greater Vancouver area and up and along the West Coast of the United States and Canada have been finding more than just the standard kelp piles and broken seashells.

Washing up on the sandy shores. Beautiful. You can see. Thank you. Wow. This is why I don't have time to do my hair. Just waxing poetic on my laptop. Flourish of words.

Having the best time. I was like, what is on the beach? Oh, well, there's piles of kelp. Sure. And of course there's always part of a seashell that looks kind of rad and then it's just broken and you're going to hook it. But you got to mention the sand. Where would you be without mentioning the sand?

Oh, that's true. You did. Oh, I did. Yeah, sandy shores. Oh, thank you. I thought you were pointing out that I hadn't. No. Yeah, I'm shaming you for not bringing up a fucking...

What, Karen? If you're on the beach and you're not talking about the sand, I don't know how you're doing. Yeah. I don't even know where... I can't visualize where I am unless you tell me, what is there? Okay, but that was for to say, 16 detached human feet have been found along the West Coast waterway that connects the United States and Canada. Jesus.

16. What are you doing? What are you... What are you or any of us doing? Why do we even... All of these floating feet have had either a running shoe or a hiking boot attached, except one. Most often they are New Balance, Nike, and of course Ozark Trail, which can be purchased

at Walmart. Really? Yeah. New Balance... It's like New Balance, cool. Nike, cool. Ozark Trail. Ozark Trail is like Timberland for poor people.

Got it. It looks exactly the same. People who aren't brand whores. Right, exactly. Maybe people who aren't so materialistic, Karen. Yeah. They don't need a fucking label to define them. Labels.

Exactly. Thank you. Am I right? Thank you. Labels. Thank you. That reminds me, this is very random, but when I got into the elevator at our hotel, as the doors were closing, I don't know why I want to just be in the elevator by myself

so bad, but I really do. And when the doors are closing and someone throws their arm out, what'd you say? Sorry, nothing. Pretend I didn't say that. Did you say, did you fart? Yeah. I mean, I do, but not that time. Okay.

As the doors are closing, this old lady throws an arm out and gets in with me. And she's got a Chanel purse and I think a Chanel scarf. She smells really rich. She had a lot of things on, but she goes, what floor? And I was like, oh, it's at the floor, and then she goes, bon. Bon. Bon. And then when she got off on her floor, she went, goodbye.

She's aggressively polite. And also I could have pressed my own button. She ran that elevator for us. I love her. So then I didn't regret letting her on. Chanel, ladies and gentlemen. No, no. Okay.

It's a reported incident on August 20th, 2007 on Jedidiah Island, a girl visiting from Washington is walking along the beach and she picks up a blue and white size 12 Adidas shoe with a sock inside. Why? Um, she, she told her friend she'd bring her a present back from her trip to Canada. Like that's not a bad question, right? Why? Um, why?

She's a curious mind. She's an inquiring mind. Have you ever picked up a fucking random shoe? An old shoe? Well, she's like, perhaps there's some treasure in here. Oh, that's true. It could be full of, you don't know, it could be full of doubloons or something. But no, instead there was a sock in there.

And then when she opened the sock, why? Why? Well, if you're going to do it, go all the way. And inside the sock is a man's right foot. Six days later on Gabriola Island, a couple, isn't that the best island for feet? So gorgeous. A couple find a men's size 12 white Reebok shoe with a foot inside. It's always going to end like that.

Okay. I'll stop being surprised by it. I thought at least once you give me an empty one, this fucking story, can you please pepper them in? It's so funny because when you think about it, like a single shoe laying there is a very disturbing sight. That's true. You're like, so someone's running and their shoe came off, what, they didn't go back

for it? Like what emergency happened here? What story needs to be told? So it's bad enough with just the shoe alone on the beach, then you're like, a wet sock. Yeah. Then you unwrap it like a present. Yeah. She's like, oh my God, my friend, Deanna's going to love the, oh, shoot, Deanna, goddammit.

Now I have to get her a sweatshirt. Royal Canadian Mounted Police Officer Gary Cox is quoted as saying, finding one foot is like a million to one odds. Finding two is crazy. Oh, Coxy. They don't, Coxy. Gary. Gary, you're not.

Gary, I feel like if you're going to be giving press quotes, you're going to want to tighten up the language a little bit. Maybe. Gary, as a police officer, we don't like to let the press know we're surprised by anything. No. That's kind of against what we do. Try to do a thing where you're acting like you're handling it. Yeah.

Like you're not as shocked as the 12 year old girl who found the foot. Maybe put your hand on your hip and use the word location and observe, stuff like that. Vehicle. They love to say vehicle. Pretend like you've seen some shit. Yeah. As my friend, my dog used to say, act like you've been in the end zone before. Oh, I like that.

It's football, right? That's right. Georgia. Thank you. Sports. Six months later, on February 8th, 2008, a third foot in a size 11 white and blue men's Nike running shoe is found on Valdez Island, also a right foot. Then on May 22nd, 2008, a right foot is found inside a women's white and blue new balance

running shoe on Kirkland Island. Nobody. I like that belongs to Costco. They don't like it. Yeah. They're like, those cheap jeans? We hate that shit. That was weird because usually there's a sound or anything.

At least one sad person. Yeah. It sounded like everyone held their breath at one time. They're just like, she's not talking about Kirkland Island is she? Not tonight. We won't have it. That one is off limits. Let's talk about literally anything else.

Don't you dare talk about my Kirkland Island like that. A month later, another foot is found on Westam Island. Right? Thank you. Now we know everything's okay with Westam fucking Island. It's a left men's blue and white Nike running shoe and it's eventually matched through DNA to the right foot that was found on Valdez Island in February. They're across the channel from each other.

Probably they're identified as belonging to a surrey man who had been missing since 2006. In November of 2008, a left women's blue and white new balance running shoe is found on Kirkland Island. No, no, no, she's doing it again. Don't do it. Leave it alone. This shoe matches the right shoe found in May and is linked by DNA to a woman who had been missing since 2004.

So eventually when people start theorizing, I mean this is now we're up to like six feet in shoes. And people are just start screaming again. People are like, this is quite something. It was, it had actually, sorry, made the, make sure I don't pick up my trivia and start talking about Jeff anymore. It had made headlines from newspapers all around the world, the Melbourne, Harold Sun, the Guardian in London, Cape Times in South Africa, everybody's talking about these shoes

and feet. You guys, they know about you and they're so proud of you. And it's called, the series of discoveries is called astounding and almost beyond explanation. And actually one night on, for a while on Letterman, member Letterman, Letterman used to, anytime there was a Canadian guest on, he would ask him about the seven feet. Yeah. He would just check in and see if they knew anything. Amazing.

It's like the original hometown. Exactly. Okay. So on June 18th, 2008, another human foot is discovered on Tai Yi Spit near Campbell River on Vancouver Island. It was a hoax. I'm so sorry. It was actually a skeletonized animal paw that was put into a sock and a shoe and then

stuffed with dried seaweed, you sons of bitches. By the biggest fucking asshole in the entire world. They're like, you know what's fun? What a dick. Severed feet. Did they catch you? Did it? Royal Canadian Mounted Police, I wonder if it was Gary, launched an investigation in

the hoax and an arrest could be made due to charges of public mischief. No. But that was 10 full years ago. So I bet we haven't heard so nothing happened. That guy's grown up and he's sorry for it. Oh, what if he goes to church every morning because of it? Then, I mean, that's not that bad. That's what I'm saying.

He's overreacting. Yeah. You know how men are. You know, that guy. Okay. I'm on that one. Less than a year later in October, I mean, sorry, this is a series of these. Less than a year later in October of 2009, a right foot in the size of an eight and a

half white, blue and red men's Nike running shoe is found in the Fraser River. And this is eventually linked to a man who had gone missing a year before. Then on August 27th, 2010, so like six months later in Washington state, a woman's right foot without a shoe or sock, you wooed at the wrong time. I know you didn't mean it. It's found on Whidbey Island. The whole islands here was so many people, they canoed over from camp, camp Whidbey. The currents going against us.

It had been in the water for two months. And when they checked the DNA, there was no match in the national database. Then about six months later, December 5th, on the tidal flats of Tacoma, Washington, I mean, it's a weird cheering situation, right? Because you love your city and then here comes some foot news. A right foot inside a boy's six Ozark trail hiking boot is discovered, but please say it could have been worn by a juvenile or a small adult female. It still sucks.

It doesn't make anybody feel better. Then on, so like eight months later, August 30th, a men's size nine left foot is found in a men's white and blue running shoe in the lagoon near the Plaza of Nations. Yeah, the lower leg bones were still attached. So we're actually now talking about part of a leg that was found, but it had that shoe, so we're going to include it in the series just in case. On November 4th, a group of campers find a right foot in a men's size 12 hiking boot in Sassamat Lake, great, in Port Moody.

This will eventually be matched through DNA to a 65-year-old fisherman who'd been missing since 1987, isn't that nuts? Are you choking? No way. That's crazy. Shit. It's swallowing. You just bit taken across the table.

Let's see. On December 10th, I mean, it just keeps coming. It's like once a month. They try to tell us that doesn't mean something. Yeah. It fucking does. Yeah. The footer found in a plastic bag under the Ship Canal Bridge in Lake Union, Seattle.

Did you hear about the foot and leg? Yes. Yes. That's why we're here. Fuck, this is our job, it's so fun. I know, you guys. Listen, if we're ever hiring, you guys should get a job like this. It's pretty sweet.

It's so good. In Vancouver, on January 26th, 2012, human bones inside a boot are found along the waterline at the Dog Park near the Maritime Museum. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's convoluted, that one, because it's a bummer, but then you know the dogs were kind of into it. They can't help it. They don't know. Bones.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In October 2012, a right foot in a white and blue men's tennis shoe is found in Falls Creek. DNA analysis, that's very tasteful of you, Falls Creek. They're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, we're here, we're here, but we're being respectful of random feet. DNA analysis links this to the left foot that had been found the year before also in Falls Creek.

So in Seattle on May 6th, 2014, a left human foot in men's size 10 and a half white new balance shoes with a blue trim, or it's just the one shoe, it's one foot wearing one shoe, is found along the shoreline of Centennial Park, near Pier 86, grain terminal. Jesus, the hits keep coming. I mean, it doesn't end, so then there's a little bit of a break, and then about two years later, February 7th, 2016, a left foot is found in a black, gray, and blue new balance running shoe on the Botanical Beach, on Botanical Beach, on Vancouver Island. Vancouver Island, you already cheered.

So on February 12th, a right foot is found in the same color and type of new balance shoe on Botanical Beach, and DNA matches it to the left foot that had been discovered five days before. I mean, here's the thing, there's no other body parts being reported as washing up anymore. Just feet, feet, and more fucking feet. Yeah, it's enough to be creepy as fuck. They want to explain it away, which I'm going to do very soon and ruin everything, but goddamnit. On December 8th, 2017, great, great, the remains of a leg and a foot inside a shoe washed up

on Vancouver Island near the Jordan River, and they were able to match the DNA to a man who'd gone missing two months earlier. Then on May 6th of this year, a man, yeah, a man discovers a hiking boot with a foot inside wedged into a log jam on Gabriola Island. Oh, what was he doing in a log jam? The guy who found it, I mean. Oh, he's got this weird perversion. We shouldn't talk about it.

Okay, okay, son of my business. Son of my business. Haven't you ever seen log jam porn? Okay, so here's some of the theories. They ruin all the fun. When I first heard about this one, the article started coming out of like, what is this series of severed feet? And I was like, yes, oh my God.

And then of course immediately people are like, well, if you die in the water somehow, and in that area there's lots of bridges, and so there are suicides of people that decide to jump off a bridge. And apparently the muscles and the things around your ankles are one of the weaker parts, so your feet disarticulate, that's a word I use constantly, disarticulate from the rest of the body early. And if you're wearing a running shoe or a hiking boot, there's so much plastic on it, it flips and floats, and apparently these types of things, feet and shoes, can float

for thousands of miles on the water. And then they find a fucking unsuspecting 12-year-old on a beach. Just trying to be on vacation. To need therapy for the rest of their lives. So some people think disaster, so it's victims of tsunamis that are around the world, plane crashes, boat accidents. We know people fall off of cruise ships a lot, and it's not talked about, and we need to talk about it more.

Yeah. Like right now. They just disappear off of cruise ships. Shut up. Should we talk about it right now? Yes. Yeah. Let's never go on a cruise.

Okay. I feel like if we had my favorite murder cruise, which has been pitched to us by our agent, if anyone buys tickets, we'll be like, you're not a listener. You should fucking know better. Yeah. You should know that if you get on that cruise ship, you will be killed. You'll be disappeared off that ship. Our agent's like, for some reason, you're not selling any tickets to this thing, that's

fucking right. They're as paranoid as we are. Spencer Davis wrote in the Pacific Standard, when a body floating in water is subjected to the push and pull of its environment, the bones of hands and feet, oh, I said that already. It's Spencer Davis' idea. They're always the first to fall off. And then this particular current, it's a strong and common one. That's the theory.

So it's like there's the great Pacific garbage patch, right? That's over here. And then there's foot island over here. You do the math. And which one's the one that's kicking the boot that's kicking the, no, that's Italy. That's Italy. I know. Some people theorize that drug dealers are organized crime members, are they called

members? Do they have membership cards? The organization. The members of the organization organized crime, they use this area specifically as a dump site because you've heard of the very powerful arm of the Gambino crime family here in British Columbia. Uh-uh. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They're everywhere. Gabba goo. Crazy. So there's, those are all the kind of, the explanations, right? And they're probably all a little right. Yeah. I mean, it's, those are, they're reasonable, but let's do their unreasonable ones. Okay.

Yeah. Those are way less depressing. Now, listen, nobody mentions this part, which I think is pretty fucking key that right here in Vancouver, there's a shopping center called leg and boot square. Uh-uh. Yes, there is. And there's a reason it's called fucking leg and boot square. And that's because in 1887, a boot with a leg in it washed up on the shores of false

creek. Uh-uh. Wait, let me see if I have a pic, I have a picture of a boot from 1887. No. No. Hold on. No. Oh, those are just shoes.

What? Stephen. Stephen, we know what shoes look like. Oh. Stephen just wanted to fucking, he had a date. He wanted to get it over with. He's like, Karen, is this okay? You're talking about shoes, right?

Okay. None of these shoes have been found with feet in them, but they're all available for purchase online. If you had to choose one, we're trying to do a change. I guess I'm choosing yellow one. There's that boot. What? That's a boot from 1887.

I don't know if it's the boot that was found. It's in good condition. Uh, also, I love the fact that the picture gets cut off before the actual shoe part is involved. Yeah. If you had to spend one night with that boot on, where would you go? What would you do? What would you have for dinner?

And can I come? I guess I'd have acres of the clowns. Callback. That's what that is. Boom. Now, where am I? Oh, Leg and Boot Square. Right.

The amazing shopping center that I saw six pictures of online. So gorgeous. I'll name a whole, okay. Because I'm telling you, somebody found a leg and a boot in 1887 and the cops, the local constables, they didn't want to go out and actually find who it belonged to. So they took the leg and the boot and they stuck it on a pike and left it in front of the precinct office. It just looks like a wanted poster, but it's, it's the actual, have you seen, have you seen

your own leg? Oh my God. And then after two weeks, they threw it out because no one, no one claimed it. Did they recycle it? Recycling center? That's right. Okay. And then Scott found it.

That's right. Then Scott at the recycling center is like, are you got to be kidding me? I have to start a podcast. My life is nuts. So my theory is that the ghost of the person whose leg was in the leg and boot has come back to wreak havoc on the police who never solved his mistake. Thank you. What I'm saying is take the facts, take the information and give me something.

No one wants to talk about suicide. Let's talk about ghost revenge. That's the shit. Yes. Yes. In 2016. Okay. But they still named an entire, okay.

Leg and boot. Shopping center. I mean, it also seems like no one knew what that name was from. No. You're just calling it leg and boot? Yeah. Why do they call it that? I don't know.

Anyway. Some weirdo named it. This is the reality check part. Okay. In 2016, Coroner Bard McClintock told the Canadian press that the most of the feet are the remains of people who died because of accidents or suicide. Of the 12 feet that had been discovered at the time of this publication, 10 had been linked to seven individuals.

And she says, quote, we pretty well think we know what happened in every case. They're all very sad, but since that article was printed, two more human feet have been found in the area. So let's not give up hope that it's a ghost shark. It's the ghost of a shark coming back for revenge with his serial killer buddy. Yes. If he rides the ghost shark, and then one day, and it's the ghost of the boot guy on the ghost shark.

Right. It's two ghosts now. Heading to Leg and Boot Square to pick up his leg. And that is the story of the floating severed feet of the Salish Sea. Good job. Thank you. Wait. Oh.

Stephen. That's a Timberland. You don't have to pay Timberland prices when you can get Ozark Trail. Yeah. There's no need to do it. Are we going to have to pay royalties to use those photos? Yeah. Shit.

I think so. Yeah. I think we have time for a hometown murder. This. Look who's here. This is my husband. This is microphone on. Yeah.

Awesome. I forgot the present for the hometown people. You didn't bring it? No. I'll run and grab it. Okay. We got you guys a present. Whoever does it.

The name of the porn movie in Big Lebowski is called Log Jabbon. Oh. That's right. And Canada does not have Southwest Airlines. Is that true? Sorry. I think from now on we need Vince to sit on the stage with a laptop and like a head mic.

Corrections corner. In real time. Corrections corner. Yes. Please. I'm going to go get the fruit skewer. Thank you. Okay.

Vince, everyone. Vince. It's April. Tour manager to the stars. Oh, we're going to brief you very quickly. I know we really don't have to because you're Canadian and you're very polite. But here's the deal. And I think you already know it.

For the hometown murders, we love it when it's local. If it can be a Vancouver story, definitely a British Columbia story. That's what we want. You think, no, it doesn't matter. My story is great and I'm from Chicago. Fuck you. Is our answer. Shut up.

Is what we say to that. Don't be so drunk. Don't be so drunk that you can't follow your own line of thinking. It should be quick, beginning, middle, and end. People always love a night's ending so if you can tell us what happened, where the people ended up, if they ever served time, whatever, that's good. And remember that if you get picked, everyone else hates you. So you have to go nice and fast and keep it quick.

All right. I think that's it. Oh, thanks, Vince. Oh, here it is. We stopped at a little... Thank you, Vince. It's like a adorable, tiny little fruit stand, Mart, and I freaked the fuck out when I saw this.

It's just a skewer with fruit candy and gummy candy, so it looks like fruit. It's not fruit. But it's candy. Do you guys have candy here? So we're... And Karen goes, hometown present? I know. It was the best.

You're picking tonight. Okay. So can we get the lights up so Karen can get a good look at y'all? I'm going to feel it. I'm going to do it more with my gut. Holy shit. Look at how many people are here. Oh my God.

Hi. Hi, back there. Oh my God. So exciting. You're too high up in the... We can't... You're going to jump? Okay.

Which way? Okay. Can you turn the lights down? Because she'll freak out if she sees all these people. Thank you. It's terrifying. It's truly terrifying. Oh, hi.

Oh my God. Hi, Lexi. It's Lexi. Everybody say hi to Lexi. Hi, Lexi. Here. Take this. Come stand here.

It's right in the middle. Look, it just got the boot. Holy shit. Oh, leg and boot. Leg and boot. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yes. She's the ghost. I go shark all the way here. Nice. Thank you. Where are you from? I'm from Vernon, British Columbia, which is...

Yeah. What up, Okanagan? So it's about, I don't know, a five-hour drive from here. Oh. So my hometown is actually very cool. It is a mass murder. Oh. That is cool.

I mean, it's not cool, but... Yeah. Oh, we know. Yeah. We really know. You're doing great. I'm going to be over here. In April of 1996, Mark Chahal left Burnaby.

What up? No? It's fine. Fuck that. And drove in his car to the Kelowna Airport at the Kelowna Airport. She's a security screener. Shut up. At the Kelowna Airport, he then rented a van and drove the rest of the way to Vernon.

The reason he was going to Vernon is because he was going to take revenge on his estranged wife who had been living with her family there, and they were preparing for her sister's wedding. So in his car, he had 38-caliber semi-automatic, Smith and Wesson handgun, 40-caliber Smith and Wesson revolver, and something else, gauge shotgun. Yes. 15? A 15 or a 16? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay. Yeah. Those ones are the worst. Okay. Guns. So he arrived at the family home at about 10.30 in the morning. He took both handguns out of the car and walked up the driveway where his ex-father-in-law was washing one of the cars.

He then shot him in the face. And then he fired into the home through the front window and then went through the house. He shot everybody. Oh, my God. He shot his ex-wife, her sister, her grandmother. The only people that he spared were the children, which is nice. He fired 28 shots while he was in the house. And then he left through the back door, the neighbors called the police.

By the time the police arrived, six people were dead. Later three more died in hospital. After he left, he drove back to his motel that he had rented. And it seemed like he had planned on escaping. And instead he changed his mind. He wrote a suicide note and killed himself there. Wow. I mean, yeah.

And that's the end. Wow. Oh, my God. Perfectly done. It was quick. Perfectly done. Thank you. Oh, my God.

Lexi, everybody. You did it. You did it. Thank you. That was fucking horrifying and really fast. Wow. Jesus Christ. Oh.

See, this job gets hard sometimes, though, too. And that's because that's awful, and we hate it, and it's terrible, but it's this kind of little way for us to connect. And also because so many of us have this anxiety, because we are well fucking aware that horrible things happen to people all the time. And we are not fucking stuck up enough to think that we couldn't be those people, too. So we have this crazy anxiety. But what we love about this community that's come together is that with each other, we've

shown each other that we're all into this fucking insane thing and are fascinated with it. But also, I'll have this crazy anxiety. And what we love about this podcast is so many people thank us and tell us that they have sought help for that crazy anxiety because we're so open about it, which is just, I mean, the fact that they thank us is ridiculous and hilarious and wonderful, but it does mean a lot to us that you guys connect with each other through that anxiety and take care of it because it's important.

Yeah, that's right. And we also, we like to take this time just to say, you know, we do understand and realize that we are the luckiest people in the world three years ago, just thought it would be fun, just like the Dark Poutine guys, we thought it would be fun just to get together and talk about this thing that we love to talk to each other about so much. And now we get to go on, you know, world fucking tours and we get to meet amazing people that are just like us that have the same interests and the same passions and the same, you know, everything.

And then we get to watch you guys all meet and connect with each other, which is probably the most beautiful part of all of it. Like people walking up and saying, because of you, I now have this best friend, because of you, I'm closer to my sister, me and my mom listen to this together, like it's just the coolest thing in the world. And we're so lucky. So thank you very, very much for being here with us, guys. Thank you for Canada.

We fucking love you guys so much. You support this shit out of us will always, will always come here on our tour. Thank you guys so much for being here tonight. It's been incredible. Thank you. And stay sexy. And don't get... Bye, you guys.

Thank you.