My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 153 - MFM: Origins

Episode Date: December 27, 2018

Karen and Georgia end 2018 with a selection of the origins of some of your favorite quotes. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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the guy killed his wife. It's like a spoiler is that an owl did it. That's exactly right. Good point. So we're gonna, so this is, are we, we're calling this my favorite murder? You're gonna say are we recording this? So do you want to start with this? Should we start? My favorite murder and it's gonna be real fucked up and we might be inviting a murderer into our lives by doing this. I mean, but here's the thing and this is why I'm so fascinated by this topic in general. We might already know a murderer. Oh my god, like probably. Probably. And in that way where they're just in a very cat-like, removed, dexter way, just observing all this for the kind of, oh, they think they're, they think they're smart. It's like cute and quaint.

That's like the moment in, in, um, Sounds The Lambs where she's like, May I use your phone please? Right. Where you try to act calm, but there's no way to be calm. Right. Oh, such a good, that's, oh, you know, I read an article recently that was just an interview from the two at the, uh, Mr. I don't want to hurt your dog and puts the lotion on. I read an article that was just interviewing the two of them and what their experiences were like and it was amazing. Were they together? No, it was like quotes from both of them, but so funny. That's a fun, I've never heard that story before. And every time I see Mr. Uh, uh, I got your dog, every time I see her in anything else, like I'm so proud. Did you know she was in Grey's Anatomy?

Yeah. I did not realize it was her telling me about that article. I was so happy for her. She's fine. Life after that pit. Residual money. Okay. Here's mine. Uh, this, I'm going to read this one from, uh, someone on her Facebook group, Lori Baker Martin, darling girl. She says, here's a murder that happened in my hometown of Coffeeville, Kansas on December 11th, 1999. A man named John Dalton, a social worker, married a woman with two kids. Her name was Holly Stack. No one knows exactly what sent John Dalton off the deep end of these things. His former landlady said he was kind, attentive, charming, but he hid behind a door in their house on that day and waited for his two stepchildren to come home from school and then beat them to death

with an aluminum baseball bat. I know. Then he hid out and waited for Holly to come home from work. He did the same to her. He stayed in the house with those three horribly mutilated bodies for three days. He even ate meals in the kitchen with them. So clearly he fucking, something went. It's not like he just wanted to kill them. Like something went, something snapped. Yeah. Um, in the end of it, the story is both unsatisfactory and fulfilling. John Dalton was arrested and charged with the murders, but he never stood trial. While he was waiting for trial, he developed throat cancer and succumbed to it behind bars two years later. On a more satisfying note, Coffeeville has located a safe house for, oh, Coffeeville has started a safe house for women

on that site, at the site. Oh, that's cool. It's called Holly's house. Incidentally, while I don't think John Dalton was a relative of Coffeeville's famous Dalton gang members, the shootout between that gang and townspeople in 1892 resulted in the deaths of four gang members, four townspeople, and the sheriff. It's Coffeeville's claim to fame. Wow. Coffeeville. Who would have thought Coffeeville? Kansas. I do love those Midwestern stories though, because there's something extra like, you know, it's all quiet and crickets at night and everything. And then just someone waiting behind a door. Well, are you watching the new Stephen King Hulu fucking? No, dude. Is it so good? It's so good. What's it called? 11. What's the date that? Oh, 11 23. 63. Oh, I didn't realize that

was Stephen King. That's the day Kennedy was killed. And the whole thing is like a going back and it's like a back to the future thing. Oh, it's fuck. It's good. It might get, it's good. It's really good. It's fun. I got to see it. If you're into like, you know, this, he goes back in time and tries to stop President Kennedy from being killed. Oh my God, just like your dream. Like my dream for his brother. Right. Because I don't think anything could have been done at that point. But, but it's good. And like other little things along the way, there's like other storylines. It's really, it's fun. Awesome. If you want to watch it, it's on Hulu. I love it. Yeah. Wow, that was fun. Yeah, actually packed a lot of bats.

A lot of baseball bats, unfortunately. That's a lot of terrible children. Don't keep a baseball bat in your house, people. But keep those murder stories coming. Please. We do love them and we are reading them. Oh my God, we are. And it's just kind of exciting. Yeah, we love it. You guys, thanks for listening. Follow us on all the places we talked about earlier. And rate us on it, rate review and subscribe, subscribe. Please do that because that gets us so many more viewers and listeners like the higher up we get. And we want everyone to listen to this because we want everyone to be fucked up in the head. Yeah, we need to share, you know, it's sharing is caring. It definitely is. And, uh, you know, stay sexy. Stay sexy. Don't get murdered. Bye. Do you want to read a

hometown murder or are you done? Should we save it for next week? Maybe we're emotionally. I'm wrong out. We're emotionally exhausted. I love it. This murder podcast has murdered us. It's, it's really going to get us to a new place. Yeah. Yeah. I totally forgot about that thing that happened to me till just now. I swear to God. This is bringing up shit and we're probably gonna need to talk to therapists about it. Yeah. Should we? Is there something positive we can talk about? Did you ever? I just snorted like snot in my nose, like a fucking third grader. No, I love it. You're sick. It's okay. Um, they can go on to other podcasts for this shit. There's like all kinds. Elvis,

do you want to cookie cookie? Okay. That's there. That's the positive. That's okay. Elvis cookie. Okay. Um, God, did you ever think we'd get when we were recording the first one that we record nine more? I never thought we'd get this far. I mean, it is special. It's a special thing. It was a thing that we talked about a couple times and then we actually did. We just did it without ever talking about it again. We're just like, let's just fucking do it. Yeah. Which I think is like, that's how you do things. I think so. Don't overthink it. No. Don't be afraid to fail. Don't overplan. Um, don't plan. Floss. And floss and wear SPF 30 or higher. You heard the song. You know what you're supposed to wear. I mean, listen. Look. Look and listen. Look and listen.

Wear your mother watch your coat. Listen to your mother's Karen and Georgia. Listen to your mother. Listen to your mother. I'm Georgia. I'm Karen. And this is my favorite murder. Welcome to my favorite murder. What is it about the Pacific Northwest? I mean, seriously, this is like, I always think of Twin Peaks where it's like the haunted forest. It's bad spirits emanating from an ancient site and then going into downtown Seattle and just fucking up lives. There's so much land in which to bury and hide people. There's, there's, there's depression because the weather is so fucking dark, right? Like, yes. Everyone, everyone there has seasonal defect, effective disorder all year round. It's called depression. It's called depression. Everyone's got it.

And it makes them serial kill. No, it's heavy. It's a, I have to say the couple of times I've been to Seattle, I've had a lovely time and it's been in the summer. It's so beautiful. I can't stand it. But it's always the, it's like LA people go there in the summer and then they're like, what are they saying about Seattle and everyone's wrong and then you leave. I have a message for everyone in other parts of the country. Okay. Move to Los Angeles. It's sunny. Literally, it's, it's what you make fun of. It's constantly sunny. There's no seasons which I'm like, I love seasons, but you love it until mid February. Yeah. And it's kind of dirty. Yeah. But in a way that makes you feel like you, you're going to be okay. And would you rather get

dismembered or just like get a random bullet on the freeway in your head? I mean, pick one. Karen pick one. Right now. Yeah. Yeah. Random bullet. Random bullet. Yeah. Although once you're dead, the dismemberment doesn't affect you. Better to affect your family. No, that's very true. Also, stuffing someone into a garbage can of any kind is such an aggressive act of there's so much hatred in that act. And that's vile. It's amateur hour too. Because like, what do you, of course, they're going to find that they're going to find that, which maybe he wanted that to happen. So he got caught. I think they immediately like just went on her computer. I think so what I think happened is it wasn't, it wasn't premeditated. Oh, you know what I mean? Because he snapped.

Because if he, if someone has that much information about you on their computer and like match that you were going out with that person that night and you went missing from there, yeah, something went wrong. Clearly, it's going to come straight back to you. Clearly, you have an anger issue and you snapped. Oh, here's the thing. Fuck everyone. Right. That's, we should have said that right at the beginning. This podcast should be called, here's the thing. Fuck everyone. Here's the thing. Everyone. Fuck everyone. Except for you guys. Thanks for listening. It just is so like, it's the classic, don't go to a second location with someone named Jim Jones, you know, or a hippie, the 30 rock joke. Right.

Exactly. Or the Scientology. I was just reading today about how the David Miskovich's wife, Shelley Miskovich is like missing as fuck. Yep. For years. For years. And they finally put a police report for her missing persons, but there's some like compound where they keep like high ups and like just torture them constantly in Florida. Yeah, I think so. So she's probably there. So don't go, don't say you'll go somewhere else with someone. No, don't go anywhere. Don't go anywhere. Leave your house. Stay in your apartment. You know, that makes me think they've got to rescind the religious tax status for Scientology. It's been proven that it's not an actual religion that it's basically a humongous pyramid scheme.

I apologize if it's your religion and you're offended right now. I don't think they don't want you to be mad at me, but you're in a cult. Call your dad or someone that can help you. Your parents actually love you even if even if they're a what is it called a negator? What's it called in Scientology? You're a negative something. Yeah, you're like, you've got body Theatons and you're, you're, you're a shit. There's a specific word trophy. No, that was last week. Yeah. Well, if you've got a hometown story, we want to know about it. We do. We're going to do a mini so we keep saying that, but we really are going to. So please send us yours so we can, so we can talk about it. It's my favorite murder at Gmail. That's right. And look out for the t-shirts. They're coming soon.

And rate, review and subscribe. Please on iTunes for those ratings. We're on that comedy chart, man. Yeah. Someone said they saw us on the top 10. No way. That's what someone said to me. But I didn't look it up because I was like, Oh my God. And also then whatever. I'm going to, I'm going to hold that as fact. You know what? I think we're number one. Thank you guys for listening. Yeah. And thank you for your support. You're great listeners. Yeah. So much fun. Let's commit. This is our tagline now, right? And are you okay with this? Yeah. Okay. So you do your part and I'll do my part. All right. You guys stay sexy. Don't get murdered. Elvis, do you want a cookie? A cookie? Bye. They could have saved her and then she could have died.

But here's who did save her. Who? She walks a little further. A couple who was on their honeymoon. Oh, no, no, no. Who took the wrong exit and is driving around trying to get back to the I-5. Oh, which is close enough so that Mary heard the noise of the I-5 all day and was like, I just have to get back up because there will be someone if I walk toward that sound. So that's how she guided herself back toward civilization. These people grab her, put her in the back of the truck and say, we're going to get you help. And she said she heard them speeding so fast. You could hear the tires screeching. They get to a phone. Can I say real quick what half the people listening that the murdering knows? Yeah. Dream honeymoon. Exactly. Exactly.

What else are you going to do? Fucking play canasta? Well, because imagine you're like, oh, I've married, I love him so much. He's the man for me. Now, if the man for you was one of those guys in that convertible, who was like, we have to get out of here. You'd be like, you get out of my life forever. I bet they're still together. 100%. Yeah. They get her, they get to that pay phone, they call and they air left her to the hospital. So it wasn't even an ambulance situation. They were like straight in. So, oh honey, the relief she must have felt. Oh my God. To be saved. So she, sorry, I'm on the next page already. Because here's, by the way, I want everyone to know you're like fucking telling this. You're

not even looking at your notes. Because this, because I remember this happening when I was little. Holy shit. And I remember my mother being so livid. And she would talk about Lawrence Singleton, this disgusting piece of shit. She would talk about him all the time. Well, because I'll get into it. I have to go faster. Was all this, was all these, were all these details on the news? No. But it was, it was a man who raped a girl, chopped her arms off and threw her into a ditch. That's enough. That was plenty. Yeah. Because you can't, that's when it was like, oh my God, that could happen. Totally. That's real. Even the word rape, like you don't even talk about like couples in, in fucking sitcoms didn't sleep in the same bed. Right, exactly. Well, I'm not

from the fifties, Georgia. Oh my God. I mean that the Brady Bunch was the, so, oh my God. So she lost over half the blood in her body. Wow. But from her hospital bed, she described a picture of him so accurately to the police sketch artist that Lawrence Singleton's next door neighbor saw it and immediately called the police. Even though she was friends with him and like knew him for years, she was like, that's Lawrence Singleton. That's my next door neighbor. She's one of us. So, yes, exactly. So, and I do have to say this, in the article that I found that it, a piece of information from, for some reason in the line, it said housewife and bowling expert. Wow. I want her life. They really described her to a T. I really, I want that life. That's a pretty good life. Yeah. So they

arrest Lawrence Singleton nine days later. I like to call him Larry. Larry. And when he was questioned, a Singleton told the police that Mary was a $10 whore that he was passed out drunk in his van and that his other friend Larry is the one that attacked her and that there were two other hookers in the van at the time. What a fucking monster. Lunatic. So she testifies against him in court. Get a girl with two prosthetic, her two prosthetic limbs on. She'd already been fitted for them. She was still a teenager. I mean, that's, that is a hard thing to do on its own. No, listen to this, as she walks out after testifying against him, he whispers to her, if it's the last thing I do, I'll finish the job.

I was hoping she'd say mother fucker or like something at him. No, no, poor girl. She ran out. So in March of 1979, a San Diego jury convicts him of kidnapping mayhem, attempted murder, forcible rape, sodomy and forced oral copulation and gives him the maximum sentence at the time. Can I guess? No, go ahead. Sorry. I'm just keep interrupting. No, no, no, seven years, 14 years. For all of that, for all of those crimes combined, maximum legal sentence was 14 years. That's like almost how old she was. Yes, that's exactly right. So the judge who had to pass that sentence said, if I had the power, I would send him to prison for the rest of his natural life. I have a present for you and for me from a listener.

Is this our first listener, like viewer mail? Yeah, I have a listener mail. Don't worry, I have a PO box. So if anyone wants to send a shit, you can message me and if you're not insane and have okay grammar, I'll give you our PO box number. So Caroline Abernathy sent us a present. Caroline? To my PO box, she's a sweet baby angel. Have you already opened it? I fucking have and I know she already, she was like, I'm sending you this thing and I'm like, great. Oh, awesome. I'll tell Karen. So first thing I thought of it's full of live moms. I haven't opened it. Creepy. Kaboom. And that's how they died. So she sells this at her Etsy shop. It's called her Etsy shop is anime gravy with a capital A. I don't know if that's necessary,

like you have to put that in order. Are you ready for this present? Okay, I'm gonna put my mic down real quick. Okay. She's unscrolling a small put. It's to stay sexy, don't get murdered with Elvis and the owl poster. We each have our own. Oh my God. This is gorgeous. So for new listeners, I mean, get with the program. But so we always first of all, first of all, let us reprimand you by being for being right. So this is amazing. Stay sexy, don't get murdered is our catch. The thing we always say or catch phrase. No, it's just something we started saying and people like it. My catch phrase is what are you talking about Willis? And then Elvis, my cat is holding who's like, it looks just like him. It looks exactly like him. And the owl, of course, is the owl

theory from the staircase, which is very funny. A lot of people pointed out on the Facebook page, we've never really talked about that on the podcast. It's like personally talked about and just referenced. Right. We've mentioned it being a theory. Yeah, we haven't like discussed if we believe it or not. I think it's like we've discussed how we've discussed it, essentially. So there's a lot of people are like, wait, when did they discuss? It's discussed. Yeah, it is disgusting. And it's amazing. And it's like my it's like, look, it's the color of my walls too. It's like this like, that's weird, mint green that I'm obsessed with. Beautiful. It's so cute. This is the best. So you guys can go to anime gravy and you can buy it.

I want to tell everyone it's just $10, but I feel like she should up the price right now. So it's worth more than $10. It's only $25. Caroline Abernathy. Yeah, that's really cool. Thank you so much for the short. I haven't read the note actually. Oh, let's see. Should I read the note? Yes. Dear Karen and Georgia, I'm so happy that you like my drawing. Thanks for always making me laugh and feel dumbed as fuck about all the murders. Then smile again by asking Elvis if he wants a cookie. I've injured his multiple friends to your podcast. It's the perfect friend filter to see who's cool enough to hang out with murderinos. Nice. You two rock so fucking hard. Stay sexy. Don't get murdered, Caroline.

Thank you. Oh my God. That's, I love it so much. That's really exciting. I'm gonna get it framed. I love it. Let's, let's, hey, Stephen, will you look that up for us since you're here? Oh, you guys, this month, this week, we have a sound record, a recording engineer. Right. Remember how we had technical difficulties last week, Stephen? I'm helping us, the sound, not get murdered. Thank you. Stephen Ray Morris, who you know and love is helping us because is tech diffs last week. We're trying to get up. We're just trying to be professional. You know how we, you know how we strive and aspire to be better every week? I've never felt worse about like a bit more bummed about not having a belch ready when you said that.

I'm like, you know me. I'm fucking belch. Get one ready and then drop it in as a surprise at some point during the podcast. And it will. Okay. Great. So, okay. So here, let's get to the survivor. All right. Yes. Fucking badass bitch. Her name was Maria Vera Chiva. Vera Chiva. She was 19 and three months pregnant, which already you're like, come on. Like, let me get through this. Yeah. You know, pregnant and her, the man she was, her boyfriend was a friend of this killer. Oh, which is like date someone else. Find better friends. She met him. She's ran into him at work. She and her boyfriend had just gotten into a huge fight. And so she was pissed off, like hanging out near the metro station. And he saw her and was like,

and he had been hunting for a victim. And this is in February of 2002. I should have started with that. So he said that most of his male victims, he was able to get them away with alcohol was the thing that, that they, that the reason they would go with him. But for women, he said, quote, women always need to have a financial interest. Fuck you. You don't know me. Man, I like vodka. I know. I don't need your fucking. I like dead pets, graves, stupid. Cheers over that. Dick. So he says to her that, that he has several boxes of brand new contraband cameras. Oh, yeah. No, sorry. Women always love cameras. That's really true. If there's some kind of deal going like a sales deal or like, oh, I have this thing,

I'm going to cut you in on it. Just say no. Even if it's true, you're still probably going to get arrested. There's, you have to pay for things that you want in this life. Right. When you try to sidestep that fact, you're, you're, you mess with the wrong people. You end up in the forest at a dog's grave, what have you, and then with a vodka bottle in your head. Free money isn't free. Like just, just go without. Just, just get a job. Buy your own shit. Stay out of the forest. It's never going to be chill. That's going to be the quote. Get a job. What was it? Get a job. Anytime we list anything in threes, we want you to put it on a poster. There was another one. Shit, Karen is full of quotes tonight. I'm full of beans. Sonny beans. Oh my God. Okay.

You've got to get through this. I also want to say really quickly that in therapy and therapy, one of the things I talked about was that, um, how crazy I am and how much anxiety I have, because when I go to the back of my building to do laundry, I lock my front door and how crazy is that that I think someone's going to break in. And then I read an article. There's a fucking echo park rapist. And one of the ways he got into her house was when she was doing fucking laundry in the back of her apartment and she left her door unlocked and went in. There is, it's, it's not anxiety when you're just being careful. I texted my therapist and now she doesn't want to see me anymore. And now she said, find someone else. Cause she was like, you know, we're allowed to take certain

precautions and that's okay. And you can do that. But when you start, you know, blah, blah, blah, then it's, so she supported it. And I was like, I feel so justified. Yeah, you are justified. You know, so it's supported. I bet Nikki, she'd be like, come on. Nikki would be like, yeah, that was an obvious answer. The crime community says you're doing the right thing. Thank you crime community for supporting me. Uh, well also that's good. I mean, Jesus Christ. Good to know, right? Yes. Hey, there's, there's no shame in locking things double. I lock, people will walk by in the crosswalk and they're part of my brain goes, they might be able to hear it if you lock the door or whatever. And it's like, I don't give a shit. Doesn't matter. Much louder voice that says,

sorry to offend you, but you don't get to, in case you had the idea, right? Maybe you're on some white drugs. I can't detect when you're sitting at a stop sign and someone goes to walk by and you go click to lock your car door. Yeah. Yeah. You're like, well, they're going to get mad at me. Fuck you. Well, cause sometimes creepy. That's a good way to let someone know. They're creepy. Yeah, I get the idea because you're giving me the eye. So yeah, I don't, we said this a million times. Fuck politeness. Fuck politeness. Yeah, there could be new listeners who don't yet know to fuck politeness. Oh yeah. Fuck politeness. And um, oh, you'll, you'll learn. There's a ton of stuff. They'll have a lot of experiences in real life that'll make you make you question. How about

if you're going between the laundry room and your house, lock your goddamn door, lock your fucking door, lock it. If you live in a major city or not at your parents house, lock your door. It feels really good because literally that, that was a worry every single time I walk out back is I come in the door and I check for the cats because if the cats were still out where they were, that meant no one was in there because, but if they were hiding, that would mean someone came in the house. Right. That's crazy. No, it's not. That's a good theory. That's a theory based on observation. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. High fives all around. Thank you. Thank you to you too. Looking for a better cooking routine with meal planning, shopping and prepping handled. Hello,

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Beirut in 1962. Oh, wow. And then they brought it over here in 1983. And it was, the chain actually was opened by Mardiros, who is the son. And his parents were not interested in having a restaurant in America. They wanted to do your do dry cleaning, maybe go into the suit business. They looked into all these other businesses that were more kind of reliable than a restaurant. But Mardiros believed that this he looked around and he saw how few Middle Eastern restaurants there were with such huge populations of people that would appreciate the food. There was almost no food to feed them that was like from their home. So they opened their first restaurant at the corner of Sunset in Normandy in East LA. And the LA Times said it's the best roast chicken in town at any

price, which is kind of really saying something for the Shishi restaurants they have here. The Zagat guide would say that Zankoo was one of America's best meal deals. America, not just LA, which is cool. Jonathan Gold, who is a very famous food writer, he adores Zankoo Chicken, reviewed it and said the chicken was superb and nothing in heaven or on earth compares with the garlic paste. Oh, my God, that garlic paste. The garlic paste is what everybody talks about. And it was invented by Mardiros' grandmother. Shut up. And his mother made it all by hand. So it was a secret recipe. People still don't know what's in it. It's this white paste that you get with your chicken and your rice and your hummus and your pita. It's a little tub. It's like a side on the side. And it is

tingy and pungent and garlicky, but there's something else going on. It's kind of like butter. Like you can't figure out all you want to do is eat it and put everything that you eat into it. Then for the next day, you're belching garlic. Yes, you're filled with garlic. It's quite an experience. So that was kind of their secret weapon. Aside from the fact that they figured out that other rotisserie chicken places, they realized you have to move the chicken itself and you have to play with the temperatures. You can't just keep it on one temperature all the time. So they basically kind of went in there and tried to figure out how to give people who wanted to eat authentic Middle Eastern food the best version of that food and not just go like here. Here's

whatever, which is amazing. Apparently, one time on Curb Your Enthusiasm, Larry David referred to it as chicken so good it could end the rift in the Middle East. So like everybody in L.A. knows about this food. It was also in a Beck song. That's right. That's right. There's a list on Wikipedia of all the popular culture things. There was somebody on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Oh, that's so funny. Also liked to eat there. So they started as this hole in the wall chicken place. And after I would think like over two years, they were making $2 million a year. Holy shit. And half of that was pure profit. Oh my god. So they were doing obviously great. So there were rumors. Oh, so in this article, this is one of my favorite things, in this article,

this guy, Mark, the writer talks, starts out by talking about the Armenian culture and everything. And he says there's a saying that little old Armenian ladies say in Armenian, which is, let's sit crooked and talk straight, which totally made me think of us. Oh my god. Isn't that the best? Let's sit crooked and talk straight. That's basically let's gossip. That is us to a T and I'm fucking in love with it. It's the best. All right. We did this wrong. All right. There's trash. Just don't worry about the glamorous, classy, professional. Hi. Welcome to my favorite Murder Live, everybody. We had them. We had them recreate my apartment. Yes. On stage. Georgia's blue curtains are gorgeous. Oh my god. Can we talk about this? Yes. Can we please?

Karen, tell me everything. Well, last week, when we were talking about how we are going to come and do a live podcast and we were talking about all the things we needed to do and bring and have to recreate the same environment that we have in Georgia's hot, hot apartment when we record every week. And Georgia made a joke and said, I guess I'll buy a cage to bring Elvis. And I said, or you could just have him stuffed and her heart broke in front of me. And now I'm that friend. So I've been trying to think for like six days turning things like you got to make good on that piece of bullshit. And then I remembered that I'm a compulsive vintage thrift store shopper. And I got shit like this laying around by the dozens. And I was like, excuse me, don't you have a some

sixth grade teacher hand knit a Siamese cat. And it's just been sitting in a closet for like fucking seven years. And the answer was yes, Elvis is here. When I saw that backstage, I was like, I'm not supposed to see that. And if I look at it, I'm going to cry. So I didn't because it's so sweet. And so I didn't look at it. What happened? Okay. Um, there we go. Have you gotten a good look at it? Because there's truly about four years of dust right on the top. You guys can see that a lot. Karen, thank you so much. And I would have dusted it off, but I was running late. And if you know my apartment, you don't know my apartment. This is the most perfect thing for my apartment. It's going to match everything like it's like a grandma. And there's like seafoam

happening. It's a seafoam apartment, everything. It makes me so thank you so much, Karen. You're welcome. I got you up. Nothing. I'm going to catch a moonbeam in my pocket. Also, the other thing I just wanted to give a shout out because we had been talking last week about how we hate carving pumpkins. Oh, no, what happened? Well, Caroline sent us a picture of the most perfect Halloween jack-o'-lantern goals for us. And this is it. It's the tiniest face carved into a pumpkin. And when I saw it, Nanny laughed so hard. It's like an emoji. It's like the size of an emoji and the face of an emoji, like the happy face emoji. That's all I want in life. But then on the here, you just pumpkin. So it's basically like this person took a pen and stuck it into a pumpkin.

It's so funny. And then they were like, where's my wine and where are my Ritz crackers? I'm done. You can laugh out loud, Steven. That's good stuff. So beautiful. Thank you so much, Caroline, because I really loved that to the point where I faved it. And then like the next day went, oh, no, retweet that. That's awesome. And I couldn't find it. And I this morning before work, I must have spent 20 minutes trying to find this tweet. Can I have a quick, quick pen corner? Please do. Squad gourds instead of goals. Squad gourds? Because it's pumpkin is a gourd. Let me explain this. My comedy is like kind of, you know, like it's intellectuals. Squad gourds. It's written. It's a reader comment. You gotta squad gourds. That's really good. Like give me

a hot minute. Mimi loves it. No, my God, Mimi's crying, laughing right now. You can't see it, but trust. She looks so bored. That's amazing. It's really good. Thank you. So Renee and Rachel, the older girls were old friends. Renee asked Rachel to come with her shopping. And then Renee's boyfriend was going to come, but he went to a friend's house. So his little sister, Julie, begs to come. So they bring her boyfriend's little sister along. So it's the three of them. They get to the mall. Rachel parks her car at the top of the fucking car park, Osmobile, and they go shopping. People see them because, and this needs to be our new shirt, she's wearing a shirt that says sweet honesty. What? That's 1974 for you. What the fuck? It's like, what stone or put that thing

together. Sweet honesty. And you know it was like crazy cursive with the why on the honesty. And then like three loop dilutes. Glitter, like all around. Just on the tits. Yeah. No bra. No bra. No bra. Didn't have to. 70s tits. Like that's a thing. Yeah. For sure. They were real low. So a ton of people see them at the mall people because people see her shirt, whatever the fuck. And then that evening, families get worried as they do. They go out looking for the girl and they find her car where she parked it on the roof of the small area. And in the car, the car is locked and inside of the presence. So at some point they went to the car, put the presence in there, lock the car and then what? Right? Yes. I don't know. You have to tell me. So they're

freaking out. The next day, a letter comes in the mail and it goes to Rachel's husband's house. Now Rachel, who was 17 and married. What? What? Yeah. Wait, is that sweet honesty? That's the other one even. Okay. A 14 year old is wearing a sweet honesty shirt. Don't let your babies grow up to be sweet honesty. For real. Sweet honesty. Sweet honesty. She didn't understand. It's actually you should sweep, kick him in the dick. That's what her shirts have said. You guys pepper spray first and fucking apologize later. Right? These days Georgia's favorite thing to say is should I pepper spray that guy. It makes me laugh so hard. I can't remember where we were, but you're just like, do I need to pepper spray this guy? It's like,

please don't. Not right now. Why not? Just spray it around like room freshener in your mouth. Let's do this. Well, I did a very pandery thing and I picked a Chicago murderer. You think you're better than me? What's that? You think you're better than me? That's right. But also because there were so many choices. A lot of people love, they love to talk about how like Pacific Northwest, oh yeah, so many murders in San Francisco. Hello Chicago. You guys want to kill everybody. Chicago just doesn't brag about it. That's right. They're just low key. Yeah. They're just like, yeah, let's go have a beer. I don't need to talk about that. How are you doing? More importantly, we don't need to talk about the torso murders. How are you doing?

I've all killed it. No, that's not here. No, that's Cleveland. Anyway. So there was a lot, lippy. There was a lot of choices to choose from and there was a lot of favorites, but I actually had to go with this is my original. The reason I got into reading serial killer books and watching true crime shows, fucking John Wayne Gates. And I know this because she accidentally told me in the hotel room. It slipped out in the hotel room. What was the context of that? You were talking about how the hotel concierge was like you had to print out your notes and she was like if you like John Wayne Gacy, you'll love this tour. And then I was like, oh, fuck. Yeah. That's all I said. And I think there's nothing else. Yeah. But I'm about to hear them. You're about to hear them.

And you may have heard me say this before, but the first thing I ever saw about John Wayne Gacy, because if you know, he buried the bodies of teenage boys that he murdered inside his house. And when the police arrested him finally and he was able to draw a diagram of his house and he knew where every single boy was in the house and there were 27 of them. I bet the FBI didn't respect him after that. They were like, oh, look at braggie braggers eating over there. Take it easy. So I saw when I was like probably 12, I opened a book. Good age to see this. The perfect age for true crime. Opened a book and they had drawn based on the diagram that John Wayne Gacy had drawn.

They had because he they just used like long rectangles to show where the bodies were. And some artists had basically drawn body shapes like it almost looked like a chalk outline, but like body shapes in a house diagram. So that's I like was oh childhood and you know, Johnny loves Chauchy and fucking this and that. And I looked down at this thing and I'm like, why are those boys floating in those boxes? And then I read underneath it and it's like, you know, 27 bodies were buried inside this house. And I was just like, okay, now I know that. And now I must know more. And I won't stop adding that to Charlotte's web and all the shit you already know. Some pig. So let's talk about fucking good old John. Also the middle

name Wayne is very common in serial killer world, which I think is kind of great that he got in there. I don't know, but he they named him John Wayne Gacy because his mom loved John Wayne the actor red flag, right? Not a good sign that she loved film. So John Wayne Gacy was born on March 17th, St. Patrick's Day 1942 at Edgewater Hospital in Chicago, Illinois. Anyone Edgewater? Anyone else? You guys work there? Were you also born there with him? He was the second of three children. He had an older sister and a younger sister. And his father was a machinist who had been in World War One. And he was a very bad alcoholic. So the story was that his dad would come home from work and he would go down into the basement

and drink brandy, which sounds classy. But they would have they would the mom would make dinner and then they will all sit at the dinner table and wait for him to come upstairs and see how he felt. Well, I bet when he came up, he was real happy and everyone was like, we can finally talk about brandy brandy. Well, no, God, instead, normally he would come up drunk and very angry and he would beat them with a strap for dinner. So I'm good tonight. I'm strapped. I'm so full of strap from last night, dad. You can give it to her now if you want. I'm real hungry for a strap. And part of what they say, they think what fueled his rage is that John was basically a mama's boy and he liked that, you know, the father was into fishing and hunting and man, man, man.

And John liked to cook and he liked to be in the kitchen with his mom. He liked planting flowers in the garden, things that in like the late forties apparently brought deep shame upon you and your ancestors. And we're unacceptable. It made you drink brandy and beat children. So it sounds like the norm back then, though, you know, yeah, I think it is. It's like everybody has to fit into their box. If you don't, I'm going to punch you in the face, even though you're eight. All right. And then I wrote down there, toxic masculinity ruins the party again. Can't wait to see that meme. So here's the thing. So he gets a job in Las Vegas. And like I was thinking about this, like the first job you get out of high school, it's usually based on the

thing you kind of like the most or the thing that you're into. So like I worked at a yogurt shop because I love eating so much. I worked at a bakery. Did you? And well, John became a janitor at a mortuary. Because it was his passion, the dead. And he actually later admitted to the police that when he worked there one night, he got into a coffin with the body of a dead boy and fondled it. It gets so much worse. There's 47 pages right here. A lot of this is my poetry. I'm going to read later. All right. Dude, love your night. You got a manicure. I got a manicure today. I did need to look at my nails. I know. Isn't it fun? You're gazing lovingly at your nails. I've never seen you do that before. Here's the thing. And I just talked about this, but to you, but

having I so now I work on Guy Branham's TV show. And on this TV show, I get Fritz sometimes eight thirty in the morning. I get three grown women who stand around me doing my hair and makeup for hours. And it is so fun. Love it. And like people just just teasing my hair for like 45 minutes straight. And shaping it. So I have really good hair doing makeup very lightly brushing my face for an hour. Amazing. I start to realize like on the first day, because this is a very collapsed schedule, it's been hard. We've worked a lot just recording on a Sunday instead of a Tuesday. That's right, because this next week is going to be the same and crazy. But so the first day we went to tape, I sat down at my so it's a it's called talk show. The game show guy is hosting Guy Branham friend

of the show expert lawyer Guy Branham. It's a talk show. He's the host and I am a judge where people come out and they get they do an interview with Guy and then I judge them and tell them how they did. God, that sounds like a dream job. Just like super fun. Yeah. And you don't get judged. You just talk shit. Hell, no, they can't say shit to me. Don't fucking talk to me. But going through like basically the beauty, a glam squad every morning makes me realize how like the first day after I left Diane, who's my makeup person handed me a mask and she goes, why put this on tonight? Oh, my God. And it was basically like thing by thing where it's like, oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, I go home and then just go to sleep and don't watch my face. Like, can you make our

lives a little easier? Can you not make this so that we have to put you together like a wax, God damn dummy. And so then, you know, like one day I realized I have to hold up signs. I need to paint my finger. Yeah, no, dude, I got it when you're like, oh, this person, I have done the bare minimum of looking good. Yes. And now, but then once I do it, it's like, oh, this is fun. Doesn't it feel nice to take care to pamper yourself? It really does. So today, I really like it. So today I was like, I just did my nails last week really fast. I do that too. But so today I went and got a manicure in Silver Lake. And it was nice. And the lady Rose was did it really awesomely sweet that you find out the names of your name and then I asked her her name. I love it.

It was fun. When I went to leave also, but my glam ended because it was the weekend. So I had no makeup on and looked a lot like a scound bag. You saw me that morning. I told you in the morning, you look beautiful. Well, I can't have it. I don't think I said beautiful. I think I said, you look so pretty. Right. I think beautiful. And then I was like, get away from me in the valley area and ran away from you. I was I was working valet that George had her little hat on and she brought my car around. I told her to get away from me. When got a manicure as I was getting rung up, a girl who was getting her manicure looked up at me and goes, Karen. And I go, yeah, because I was like, Oh, does she work with me? Is it somebody that I haven't talked to you

that much? Whatever. And then she goes, I love your podcast. But she was like, she was getting a manicure. So she was kind of weirdly stuck. It wasn't like we could shake hands or say hi or anything. And I immediately got so self conscious that I had like these crazy nice nails. And then other than that, I really looked like I rolled out from under a bridge. I was like, Oh, thanks, bye. And just ran away so quickly. So I just wanted to say to that girl, if you're listening, which she might have quit at this point, because I was so not all that friendly to her. Hi. Hi. I'm sorry I didn't ask you what your name was. I'm sorry I didn't say I started to have a moment with you. I was kind of embarrassed. I'm kind of embarrassed in general. How are you feeling today?

Kind of embarrassed. Kind of generally embarrassed. Yeah. But I'm working on it. Yeah. But I feel like the thing is too that she knows so much about you at this point. And like doesn't expect you to like, she doesn't think you're going to be Chrissy fucking Teagan. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like we haven't fucking positioned ourselves to be Chrissy fucking. I mean, Chrissy Teagan seems like a chill chick. But like, for some reason, I can't drop the Chrissy Teagan expectation. It's my problem. Oh, yeah. No, I kind of am like, oh, maybe I look like I kind of get that because I'm like, I'm not wearing makeup anymore. And then I'll see myself sometimes and be like, oh, my God, I look like I'm on my way to rehab. Yes. And like two people like my neighborhood fucking

cafe, are they like a shoe? Okay. I have like some acne scars right now. So it looks a little like I've been picking at my face, you know, like, yes, I want to be presentable. You might be presentable. If my mom saw me, who's a fucking really into images, everything, she'd be like, she'd be worried about me. My mom, I have a tape in my head of my mom who used to always, if you would like walk through the kitchen, it would just be like after school one day or like yeah, casual time. My mom, maybe the one to go, Oh God, put some lipstick on you look like a corpse. That was like her great quote. So I have that kind of there. I'm like, really in the house, you need me to wear lipstick, lady? It's so moms, the minute she sees me, she tells me how

something I am doing that she likes it better when I do the other way around. Like, if I have short hair, I like your hair longer. Not like you look cute. It's like, oh, I like your shorter. Like, it's just like, here's what you've done that doesn't please me. Yes. And I'm like, fuck you, you voted for Trump. What do you, here's what you fucking mom, that's right, you don't get to tell me anything anymore. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, moms, moms and dads. Do we have corners? Um, oh, I have a couple corners. Can I tell you something? Yes, please do. Yes. Vince and I have this, I'm going to share a real intimate, not intimate, but I'm an inside joke that my husband and I have that we're the only people who know what this is. And we kind of love

it and share it together. And I'm going to just sell a few people right now. And every time we say any kind of corner thing, I think of this and Vince. So whenever the word corner comes up, Vince and I say to each other, corner, corner, corner. And the reason is because we would go to this like late night diner in Los Feliz called house of pies. That's like the fucking best like old school diner. And there was this chick who was a waitress there who was like, like late night waitress. You could tell she was on like Adderall and fucking like buzzing on coffee and shit. She was really cool, but she was like clearly buzzing. And every time she'd have hot plates on her, you know, when you're a waitress and you have to say behind you, behind you, when you're

like behind someone with plates so they don't walk into you, she would come around the corner with these hot plates and go corner, corner, corner, corner, corner. So you think even you're chicken pop behind or whatever you just keep going corner, corner, corner. And Vince always fucking crack up. So whenever we hear someone say corner, and this was like three years ago, and we're still like corner, corner, corner. Now I just told everyone. So let's do corner, corner, corner, corner. I like it. Is it corner, corner, corner time? It is. Fuck man. How have I never fucking heard of him? It's such a fascinating case. There's way more to read. But like the idea that while he was murdering sex workers and then writing columns

about the murderer and the murders and asking people how they felt. And he was writing about that like acknowledging and writing about the murder. Yes. Yes. He was basically in faux investigating his own crime. It's amazing. And oh, that was the thing that I was trying to find this. But one of the experts talking about him said the thing about the psychopaths, the kind of psychopath that he is, is you stop focusing on what they do and they make you focus on them. And that's how that like it's cult of personality. So, so when he was in jail, the, the fact that he had strangled a young woman faded away and it all became about me and my life and how hard it's been for me and read my autobiography. And this is so sad. He never said like, I made a mistake

and killed this thing. It was like, don't even point that out. No, he, it was all about him. And then, and he was, he was smart enough and manipulate enough, manipulative enough to play the part of the person they were looking for, you know, to really kind of like be the face of and spearhead this re-socialization plan. He was just like, I'm going to be that guy. Do you think that when, you know, when, when people get convicted of murder and then they get a read a letter to the judge or to the family and they just talk about themselves, that's the same kind of thing instead of like apologizing to the family or saying, I made a mistake or whatever. Yes. And they just like, I had a hard childhood. I was, that's the same thing. Well, I've always,

because it's pissed me off whenever I hear those. No, yeah, that's that because it's the narcissist. It's, um, is it, I, some, you know, a bunch of those traits go across the board and like, if you're this, you're this, you're this, but it's like narcissism for sure. But then also, um, the psychopaths where it's just like, it's their world and everyone is just an ant in that world and they get to do what they want and everything is too power. Everything is too, you know what I mean? Like it's to feed their ego and things are done to them and like they have unfair things are unfair to them and yeah. And if, and if they're like, I don't even want to talk, like when he was finally arrested, they tried to get him to talk about the 1974 murder

and he was like, I've no memory. I don't know what you're talking about. And just like, it says if in his mind, since he doesn't acknowledge it, it didn't happen. Wow. I always wish there was a way to get them to like fucking feel bad about it, you know? Yeah, but that's the, uh, there's no such thing. That's, they don't have a conscience that they don't feel that rehabilitated, which they can't. It's you thinking they're like you. Yes. It's that. And actually that's part of the fascination of all of this shit is there's these people that are built totally differently or because of their circumstances of how they were raised, which is like alcoholic grandfather who did these things.

It's like there's no way your brain can then go to where you and I are and Steven and hopefully and but also I think you have to have that because lots of people get beaten up by horrible grandfathers and all that stuff. You have, then it's that extra piece of being a sociopath or being a psychopath where it turns because this guy was just like on fire with the Lord since fucking day one where he's like 16 assaults out of, you know, when he's like in his teens and early twenties, he had done huge problems from jump and never stopped doing it. Yeah. And then just tricked everybody in this insane way because you know, he was getting off on the idea of like, I'm going to go interview the head of this investigation and ask them if they have any idea

who's doing this and the answer is no. And he gets to get that quote. Like none of them were like, that's weird that he's putting himself, you know, because that's one of the things is that they put the murderers put themselves in the middle of the investigation or just a little too interested in it. But I guess they didn't know that then. They didn't know it. It's so funny too, because it's not that long ago. It's the normies, but it's still police procedurally. It's long ago. Well, that just explains to me a thing that I haven't really ever ever understood, which is why Ann Rule never suspected or even took a while after Ted Bundy was arrested to be like, yeah, it was him. So she was under that same fucking spell. Yes. It's like never understood.

It was like, how did you fucking not know? Because you know, haven't you ever met a person like that? Like I've definitely met one person in particular where the charisma is such they make you think that they think you're the only person in the world. And that most people never get that unless you're like exceedingly beautiful or special in some way or it's this actual specific relationship you're having. That's because of the two of you. Right. But there's Vince makes me feel that way. And I don't want to make it. Well, that's because that's that's it's you make him feel that way too. Right. But when you meet those people like it when it in my opinion, I think a lot of love at first sight is like the first time you made a sociopath because they know how they know

how to manipulate you and they have their reasons for it. Even if it doesn't make sense to you or in your mind, it's like, why would you do that? Yeah, we had this magical thing. And it's like trying to get what are you getting out of this? Nothing. Well, having young women be in love with you everywhere you go, you know, as part of it. Yeah, because we don't need that. So we don't understand why other people would need that too. Right. Or you if you need it, you can then go, yeah, but that would be mean to do to a person who I didn't love back. Like you can bring an actual, you know, conscience into it. I saw a relationship like that of two people I know and it was like everyone was like, how the fuck do you not see this person doesn't think like you? Yeah. And it's

like so surprising to see that from a smart person not understanding these like really obvious to everyone else. Don't you think smart people are almost more susceptible because it's like I never think I'm going to fall for anything. Yeah. And they're almost more like they can intellectualize away away these things because they're not just ding dongs going along with it. They're like, well, I'm really smart. So I would clearly know this. Well, and also I think that brain based people ignore their gut more. Oh, yeah. So it's like I've met plenty of people who aren't say book smart, which I also didn't mean to just say I'm so smart because I'm true. I've proven here time and again that I'm not. Listen, if this is your first episode, you know that we don't even

have to say that. Please know this. But you there are people who don't get bogged down in thinking and just go, I'll give goodbye. This feels awful for whatever reason. Whereas if you're a big thinker and a big analyzer, then it's like, you know, this never happens. And this is I'm, I'm magically being chosen by this amazing magical person who is so charismatic and so you know what I mean? Like does a thing that you're go you're like what this doesn't happen. This is uncommon. Well, I want to say it's also because of self-esteem. But no, I was going to say it's also because you and I have been through a lot of experiences where that has happened to us and we have, you know, since we were very young and went through

some shit. But it's also so we're like skeptical and thinking that way. But also when that happened to me when I was younger, I had a really low self-esteem. Yes. So, you know, it's not just that I didn't know it's that that they were like that or what people were like. It's that I when someone treats you that it's almost like they find that people with low self-esteem. And they can see you at a bar that you are that person. And the moment they say a word to you, they can tell if you are or not. That's right. That's exactly right. Because you know, it's funny. The person I'm thinking of that I had this experience with where I was like, the things I was thinking that it was and the

reality of what it was, I learned terribly about a year later when I watched him do the exact same thing to my friend who does not have low self-esteem. When I introduced them, I was standing there and I watched the look. It was like watching a look come over. It was like watching a predator, like, you know, like, like a change, like a thing change colors to fit the environment. Yes. And when I saw the look on his face and my heart just dropped of like, oh, no, that's it wasn't love at first sight. That's the thing he does to everybody. My friend was just like, Hey, what's like nice to meet you and moved on didn't give a shit. And I was just like, oh, man, this is all so awful. Yeah. Yeah.

But I don't think it can happen to us again. Or if it does, we'll be more aware of it. And, you know, listen to our fucking friends. It'll never happen again because I'm an emotional lighthouse on the very tip of Maine. And I'll be there forever. Goodbye. Well, at least you're going to have lighthouse class. It's fun. It's really only like positive. I can think of that. At least you always get free clam chowder at a lighthouse. Oh my God. With the oyster crackers on top of it. And the big sweater and I'll play the cello. Oh my God. This is going to be great for me. Mimi, go live with Karen in her lighthouse. I should get Mimi. I'm her number one fan. So we did get a present last week. And it was from

another person that I know from Twitter, Andrew. And he tried to send this thing twice. I'm sorry, I don't pick up my PO box and I think they fucking hate me there too. Because you get so much stuff now. Yes, they fucking hate me. Lots of presents. Well, he sent us, he's a woodworker. Oh my God. And we got these gorgeous pens in hand carved pen holders, pen cases, boxes, yeah, whatever they were. And then he carved Steven a mustache for his, I mean, a comb for his mustache. A giant wooden comb for his mustache. Steven, have you been using it? I mean, every day. My mustache, I feel like. It does look good. It's like, it looks good. I gotta, you know, keep it tight. Yeah, that's right. It's part of your persona now. High and tight. So Andrew, it's Andrew Hess,

I know from Twitter, he's a great woodworker. And thank you so much for sending those. And we finally got them and we were blown away, blown away by them. It was so thoughtful. Yeah. I was always trying to think of things that make me happier, things that I loved. And so we, I just put up this hummingbird feeder right outside and like, I love hummingbirds. And there's been like, fucking, it's been like a swarm of hummingbirds. And every time I see one, I yell, even if I'm alone, I just can't not yell. Even though like, it's like every 10 minutes. But the thing I love is that it made me realize that they're fucking assholes to each other. Hummingbirds are. Yeah, they're really aggressive and territorial and they keep fighting against it. And it made me so

happy because it's like, everyone's like, hummingbirds are so beautiful. And they get tattoos of them and like, they love them. And it's like, well, they can be fucking dicks too. And it's just this like positive light to me of like, don't, don't compare yourself. Don't, don't put yourself up to standards of hummingbirds. No, because they're actually assholes. Yeah. And they're, and they're sugar freaks. They're, they're addicted to sugar. Yeah. And they just got to get theirs, just like everybody else. They are mean to each other. It's very funny. It's funny because I face the sliding glass door where the hummingbird feeders are. And so the whole especially today, I can see them and there's a lot. It's like three at a time every four minutes.

Seriously. So it's really hard to concentrate. Like every, I keep wanting to go, oh, look. And it's so, yeah, it's so distracting, but it's this peaceful thing of staring at a hummingbird is so nice. But then they fucking dive on each other and chirp, like yell at each other. And then you hear their wings or this is like, it's just really fun. They're cool. Yeah. They're super cool. There's actually a video my friend sent me once. There's a guy who put a GoPro on his face and then put a hummingbird feeder like near under the GoPro so that it was basically hummingbirds flying up to his face. Oh my God. Drinking their stuff. But so he could get these first person view like slow mo of hummingbirds. It's the best videos. People are the best. Hummingbirds are

fucking dicks. So don't worry about your life. Right. People are the best. Yeah. Especially when they have a GoPro strapped. What we're trying to teach you is might be unclear now, but it's going to become clear very soon within the next 10 years. It'll be so obvious. Then you'll be like, Oh my God, they were right. And now they live on a tiny island in Maine. We can't tell them. Clam Chowdertown. I'm the mayor of Clam Chowdertown. Can we go back to the picture of Bill herself just to see what everyone's why everyone is so in love? There she is. That's her. Yeah. Oh, she's pretty. She's not. Am I wrong? What's that? She pretty. She pretty. She pretty. She pretty. She pretty. Even I'm like, Whoa, maybe she didn't do it.

You know what? You guys, I think she's innocent. I feel like look at her. Look at she. I mean, she does have a hat face and that's I can't say the same thing. I mean, the ruffles. She really, you know, she's got a napkin bib in her fucking. And clearly just a huge long rack. Her rack goes instead of being like this, 50 style, straight down farm style. Yeah. We all know that that means you're a hard worker. Yeah, marry her. Right? Yeah, you got to. There wasn't a lot of foundation garments back then. You just had to, you know, gravity took its toll. So Ray, Ray Lamphere shows up with the fire in his eyes and the insane mustache. And he is immediately in love with her. So he'll do anything she asks. All right. So this is that's what's happening, the feel around the

farm. And at the same time, uh, bell gunness puts an advertisement in the newspaper in all the Chicago daily papers and in, I guess, some of the Norwegian papers. And this is the it's basically kind of like a personal ad and hers reads personal, comelly widow who owns a large farm in one of the finest districts in La Porte County, Indiana, desires to make the acquaintance of a gentleman equally well provided with view of joining fortunes. No replies by letter considered unless sender is willing to follow answer with personal visit. Triflors need not apply. Hey, I don't want no scrubs. It's best friend's farm. Trying to burn down a horse. She tried to burn that horse. Triflors need not apply is our next shirt. Oh, my God.

Shit. Steven. Steven. Steven, get on that. Steven, do it now. I mean, right? Yeah, I mean, she's not wrong. Yeah. Yes, she murders children. Yes, she murders children and adults. Yes, but but also triflers need not apply. They simply needed. They needed police made an official statement that they had a serial killer on their hands. And that statement, of course, makes international news because Simone Schmidl was German. The first two women were British. It just goes everywhere that that now hitchhikers are going missing and then bodies are being discovered. Well, up in Birmingham, England, a man with my favorite name in the world, Paul Onions. Oh, my God. Come on, dude, dude, go find him. I mean, I have to make him mine.

Paul, you don't know me. And I certainly don't know you. Karen Onions. Mrs. Paul Onions. Give me one second. What do I like about this world? It just can't also be like selfish. Like what? I don't know, because yours was very sweet and giving, like being alone. No, I think that's really good to you. Of course, you can leave this list part in. So Vince was gone last week, missed him, love him. It's so quiet and weird here without him. But God, there's something about being alone and just like watching whatever you want to watch and and lots of farting and drinking, you know, drink, having a drink and talking to your cats and like

singing stupid songs. And I just really enjoyed that a lot. Yeah. And the way that's like, doesn't mean I don't love Vince. Oh, of course not. You know, no, no, no, I think it's, um, it's almost like a resetting. Yeah. When you can just get a little, I mean, I've gone, you have to be careful, though, because then after a while, like, I think I have thin skin about it where I need, now I'm becoming that kind of person where like, I need things to be a certain way because I'm so used to always only having things exactly how I want them, which isn't good. Yeah. But then when you meet someone you really like, you're like, Oh, I like the way he does that stupid thing. Yeah, that's true. Now it's like, or had some, I had some greeting or some

like saying, I saw a long time ago that said like, when you don't like someone, the way they eat pisses you off when you like someone, they could spill food on you and you'd be so thrilled about it. Like something like that where it's just depends on the person. Yeah, that's very true. But there's, there is something very zen about just like being in silence or just kind of doing what you want and not always for so long, I really always had to have like three people around me at all times. And it's just kind of knowing yourself too and knowing what you would be like alone in your schedule and like how you would fall asleep at night, which is apparently on a fucking naked bed with my fucking vintage comforter just and no sheets, no sheets covering

me. And, you know, it's kind of cool to check back in with yourself like that. Yeah, I think that's really good. Yeah. And then when Vince came home, I was like, great, I got to be a human again. I actually have to shower. Yeah, he's very strict about that stuff. Yeah, being alone. Consider it. Consider it for a hot second. All right. Well, thanks for listening. Stay sexy. And don't get murdered. Bye. Elvis. These are microphones. Elvis. Wanna a cookie? Wanna a cookie? Whoa. The biggest. You just blew doors on that one. Bye. Bye.