My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 190 - Lick The Clock

Episode Date: October 3, 2019

Karen and Georgia cover the Radium Girls and the murder of Lisa Cihaski.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And welcome. To my favorite murder. That's Georgia Hardstar. That's Karen Calguera. And we're here to do a podcast for you. Do you feel like listening to one? Are you ready for one? Did you accidentally press play?

Can you? Well, don't press pause now. Yeah, you might as well. Just keep going. Keep going. We're going to talk about stuff that has nothing to do with true crime for a while. Carry you, like in the sand, like how your friend Jesus did. Yes, my best friend Jesus.

If you see two sets of footsteps, it's because it's me and Karen. And we're walking next to Jesus, who has you on his back. And he's flying. And he can fly. Welcome. Welcome to a podcast. That's this podcast. I might as well just go right into Corrections Corner for last week.

Do you mind? Or is there anything you'd like to talk about first? Listen, I get so comfortable in Corrections Corner. It's like my cozy little spot. That's my life. I call it home. First and foremost, I would like to apologize because I referred to, I made a funny reference to a lock-in last week, which is a thing that used to happen when I was in high school,

where you'd go to and basically sleep in the gym because it was like super spring week or whatever. It was like a dance. And then you'd spend the night. And they'd lock you in. And you'd be like, all the seniors. Boys and stuff. Yeah.

It'd be amazing. Well, I called it a lockdown because it's 2019 and I haven't been to school in a while. And that just goes to show how horrifying the gun situation is in this country, how recent it is that it is not in my wheelhouse, it's an easy mistake to make and I didn't hear it. And the person who corrected me was so nice about it, wrote a lovely email that was like, I know this was a mistake, but you should also realize that it's this bad thing we all live with these days.

Teenagers and young children are dealing with that the parents and I just can't even imagine either being a kid right now and going to school or being a parent of a child right now. I mean, it's, you know, we have nieces and nephews and it's horrifying. It's horrifying. My apologies. I didn't even hear it. And hey, let's get some gun control when, when the country stops spinning out, we get

a hold of everything. Yeah. Let's fix stuff. Let's fix it. Let's make it so. Children of tomorrow. Yeah. Let's do it.

We support you. Okay. Should I do the next one? Absolutely. So I did last week, the story of the real life orphan is what I called it, the Natalia Grace story. And the first thing I heard was a tweet from someone who said, you can't talk, talk about a story that's only sources the Daily Mail.

So we looked it up and on Reddit, people are talking about it and there's other articles about it. And essentially a user named SkyblueOcean, SKYE, wrote this, it's critical to understand that Christine Barnett, the ex adoptive mother of the adopted child, sold her story to the Daily Mail shortly after she and her ex husband got arrested and charged by the police. This appears to be deliberate behavior by Christine as an attempt to generate a sympathy and to provoke the public to be on her side prior to her trial. Not only is this indicative of careful planning, but her sudden act of presence on media regarding

this case is highly suspicious. Is this an attempt to lessen, avoid and or delay the date of her trial and perhaps put some of the blame on her ex husband? That's just a question that that user was asking. Again, this is Reddit, so apparently Natalia Grace has been found, she has been living with new adoptive parents in Indiana and the family she's now with maintains that she's currently 16 years old, which means that she would have been a child in 2003. That's according to an article from Jezebel.com.

And from thecut.com, police say, this is a quote, police say that bone density tests carried out on Natalia in 2010 showed that Natalia was eight years old then and that at 2012 tests showed that she was around 11. So if this is true, that would mean that the Barnets lied when they said the bone density test proved that Natalia was an adult. So this story is even worse than I thought it was when I first read it and good lesson to learn of if something has a single source. And that should be interesting to see if we learn anything further from that.

And just kind of on that, on the heels of that, this just broke today that Prince Harry and Princess Meghan Markle are suing the Daily Mail. Oh, it's one of those. Is it one of those you like sent a drone into our backyard and now we have to move? Yes, they actually published a private letter that she sent to her estranged father. So apparently the estranged father, I don't know, sold the letter to the Daily Mail. So I just thought that was kind of funny timing that I just saw that this afternoon. Well, speaking of England in the UK, you guys can get tickets for a couple of the shows,

have some tickets left. Just the most seamless transition. I'm good at this. No, yeah, you really are. I'm getting better and better and worse and worse and that's that way too. Manchester on November 22nd has tickets Glasgow on the 23rd has a little more a couple more tickets. I think Dublin on the 25th has a few more and London on the 28th has a couple more too.

So yeah, we're not entirely sold out for that very brief UK and Ireland tour. So also my favorite weekend is like a month away. Yes, it's going to be so good. So good and Santa Barbara November 1st and 2nd. We'll see you guys there. There's still tickets available. Go to myfavorweekend.com I have a like an addition to corner. So a couple of people after I did the triangle short waist fire factory fire last week talked

about the dire conditions in factories in the US until you know this happened and things got better ish someone a couple of people pointed out to me that you can you should still be learning about ethical clothing production around the world because it is really awful in certain parts of the world. So to learn about fast fashion and ethical clothing production there's a hashtag called who made my clothes and it just in on Instagram it just has some details about what you're buying you know who's making your clothes what what's happened to the workers and it's just an important thing and I I want to make sure everyone knows that I know that you know

this isn't fixed. No, so no not at all. Yeah. I wanted to know like further information further reading all of that stuff on these topics. Definitely. We do love to hear about it. Yeah.

It's fun to learn. Yeah. Everybody. Learning. Are we going to talk at all about other podcasts we've been listening to or anything? What? Yeah. I do.

Tell me what happened on do you need a ride last week? Or this week? Are we going to do exactly right first? Oh wait. What did you mean? Oh I actually just had a podcast I can't stop listening to. Oh my god tell me I need one I'm ready to go. You may have listened to it already because I don't think it's brand new.

Okay. So it's a podcast called culpable. Yeah. It's the first season. Did you listen to it? Which one is it? It's the first season is about the murder of Christian Andreaquio and his basically his mother's one woman crusade to get because it was one of those things where it was ruled

a suicide pretty much immediately and then the city of Meridian would not take the case back up and it's been broken. This story keeps getting broken publicly. Crime Watch Daily did a story about it and now they made this podcast and on the podcast you basically are there as it's becoming more and more public and well known. Oh is it so frustrating and it's angering and all this stuff? It's yes and it's but it is also it's one of those things like when you know this is something that when you like true crime you're kind of in it a lot and so I think we take

I definitely take it for granted a lot. This woman's son was murdered and she has an entire town telling her not only was he not murdered he commits suicide but drop it and no one listening to her and she just hasn't let up and has not dropped it and has basically diligently worked to try to solve it and it's so inspiring and beautiful and just this example of what people can get done if they like stick to it and believe in every single person that comes in to start looking at the case to you know help an expert or these podcasters or whatever. Every single person is like oh my god this story this has to be solved this has to be

we have to figure out what really happened and it's just amazing listening it's beautifully produced I think it's Payne Lindsay's production company it's really well done I'm gonna check it out it's called culpable I'm just in season one right now I think they have a couple other seasons okay I'll check it out but I'm thrilled for them that it's such good work I love it I need a new one yeah what's going on in your other podcast there it is again it's a beautiful transition into the exactly right TV guide time exactly right network we have the per cast of course Stephen Ray Morris's podcast and our friend Deanna Rooney is on it this week talking about the race for the rescues that she's doing on October 12th that I love

that we're sponsoring her yeah in the race it's really awesome is it actually like a long race Stephen it's like a 5k or something I think there's a 5k a 10k like a 1k and you can bring your dogs I don't think there I don't think there's any cats running I would hope not it's actually a bull run like a bull run of cats it's gonna be great it's really angry cats yeah that's exciting yeah and then who's and then you guys do a Q&A on Do You Need A Ride? On Do You Need A Ride we drove around and answered people's questions that Stephen got from the internet and we did it for so long that I drove into and passed Alhambra I don't

know what I did but we were so far away because usually we just kind of like drive around Glendale and Burbank or whatever we were deep into into the what is that the San Gabriel Valley what do you call that area I don't even know just we're no we were like like further east than the east side yes we went past the east side and then we were in and kind of passed Alhambra it was fascinating we took pictures learning your city yeah really it was I don't know how I did it but I was truly lost I had no idea where I was that's how you that's how you know it's a if you like listening to people get lost in the car and answer questions about like do you want to fight one horse-sized duck or a hundred duck-sized horses I mean

we really get into that stuff that's a good one yeah that's a great question yeah it's one horse-sized duck yes it is okay that's the correct answer I knew it yeah and then of course Murder Squad this week they had they did a really super important indigenous women episode about the you know missing and murdered indigenous women and that would be an insane rate they go missing and murdered yeah and just bringing attention to that and again we tease us all the time but they're more coming and we can't wait yeah to tell you what they are yeah and then the fall line and this podcast will kill you check out there they're on hiatus for the season but you can catch up now and they'll have new season soon

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I'm excited about is something morbid and horrible okay and do they still want to be friends with me right it's the ultimate test yeah or do they say oh I gotta go have a cigarette and walk away and you're like yeah come with you um so this is the story of the radium girls oh it's so good this is like yeah next level it's so similar and while I was working on the triangle short waste factory fire I was like I should do the radium girls didn't expect to do it so quickly but sometimes you just do it this is well it's fun to do things that you get excited about yeah it's a good it's a good way to follow right this was like really easy for me to do because I know it and I love it yes um tried to do it for drunk

history but I think they got someone else to do it so thank you Derek Waters no I'm kidding I love him um okay so I got a lot of information from a CNN article by uh Jaco P. Price Prisco I'm sure I got that wrong a BuzzFeed article called the forgotten story the radium girls by Kate Moore an article today I found out.com by David Hiskey and the book the radium girls the dark story of America's shining women by Kate Moore so oh she also wrote that article the BuzzFeed article yeah I wonder if they if they went ahead and just took parts of her book and then made an article about it and they did so aside from the radium girls by Kate Moore there's two books that I fucking adore that

have some of this info and like if you're into this shit more um so The Poisoner's Handbook is a really incredible book by Deborah Blum and The Disappearing Spoon which I've listened to fucking so many times by Sam Keane K-E-A-N um it's it's true tales of madness love and history in the world from the periodic table of elements so like every fucking element has some insane story behind it and he tells them all oh that's such a good way to learn and it's a really great and I listened to both of them and they're great on audiobook too very cool yeah so okay let me tell you real quick about radium great radium is a radioactive chemical element Karen George's eyes just got so big they've always been

big just like did you know Karen it was discovered in 1898 by Marie and Pierre Curie oh yeah you know and okay so this is at a time when like the x-ray had just been discovered um this is all like brand new fucking crazy like radiation that just been discovered so this is all really exciting and new five years after they discovered it um it won and they won a Nobel Prize in physics for their discovery making Marie the first woman to win a Nobel Prize hell yes Marie yes good job but not for this one because this one sucks yeah okay it was quickly put to use as cancer treatment and that fact the fact that it was used to treat cancer made people believe it could be used as an all healing health like tonic they're just like

great let's use it in the same way that people are like heroin let's put it in baby formula it makes me so quiet when did they do that and then like turn of the century like heroin and cocaine we're like drugs you could buy in little like medicine things we're like yes i swear no no no i believe you okay put a picture of a little bottle of heroin like it says heroin put a pep in your step i swear sleep sleep sound little baby with your heroin bottle sleep like a baby when you put your baby on heroin okay so uh it was all the rage because they were like this is the fucking like literally the pep in your step um it was used as an additive in a bunch of everyday products like toothpaste cosmetics high end

spas that we always talk about use it in their waters they had like radium radium waters oh dude yeah it was added to beverages and even butter and it was like it was touted as this fucking like snake oil tonic because they didn't know how it worked yet so so why not have everyone drink it just use it then drink it up some really rich people even got it injected into them i'm serious i believe you i live in los angeles i injected right into their forehead i have a face of botox who am i to fucking speak you know um radioactive tonics began to be used for any ailment including fever gout and constipation as well as any issue the sufferer needed an extra pep from like fatigue and impotence oh it was kind

of like whoop you know here we go jazzy right up um they called it liquid sunshine and actually because it stimulates the red blood cells it actually does give an illusion of health like rosy cheeks so it does like people are like it's working yeah you know yeah and then their cheeks explode yeah really then the cheeks fall off right red and then all right um it becomes the new wonder drug it's the most expensive substance in the world at the time costing the equivalent of 2.2 million per gram in today's money holy shit i don't know how much cocaine is but i'm guessing it's not that much no it really isn't okay not the kind i get what you don't pay for cocaine stop it i get it free all my dealers love

to crime but one of the most successful radian products um was the radialuminescent paint that was made from it so look i'm not getting into the fucking deets of the science and shit please don't this isn't about that we don't do it here no um so basically they made this luminescent paint which worked by converting the radiation into light through a fluorescent chemical and it provided a pale glowing paint so think of that this halloween when you see glow in the dark shit you know what it makes you think of is my grandma's clock that's exactly it right that's the that's the the she have an old-timey clock uh yeah i mean i i don't think it was true radium but it was like the kind of thing where you'd wake

up in mullin night and that would be the only light in the room it might if it was made before nineteen like sixty eight it could have been radium oh shit yeah no wonder we're also fucked up yeah man the heroine um you'd always make us touch this clock the clock what why don't you want to lick the clock do it karen three three the paint was used for clock hands and instrument dial so that's like that was the biggest um most exciting use of them it enabled like watches and pocket watches and clocks and shit to be right in the dark which there weren't pocket lights or pocket watch lights at the time you know like this is you had this is the only way they could be right at night sorry had they

still not invented pocket lights because what a time to live what do you mean cell phones the true dark ages literally the dark ages literally but they had heroin at least the dark part dark dark pocket ages so close um so okay this is one of my favorite facts is like the reason this became popular the watch is being illuminated is because during world war one when military maneuvers required precise synchronization they needed those lights those watches to light up at night and in the dark trenches and they needed it to happen without the enemy spotting them and like you know shining a fucking torch on their like on their watch and at the time wristwatches was for like ladies mostly but during the world war one they became

popular with men and soldiers um so once the war was over soldiers came back with these fucking newfangled wristwatch slash illumination watchy times and everyone lost their shit like I fucking need that I need that that's right um need to lay a lay in bed at night not sleeping and staring at my watch exactly yeah light pollution man it's a real bitch the dial so basically um the every little number and every little line and second line and hand the hands and shit were all painted with this illuminating paint guys you get it so it's shown all the time didn't require charging and sunlight everyone was like this is fucking magic yeah now we have heroin cocaine and fucking nice watches and time and time and just at time anytime

we want to look at it that's right we're living truly living truly madly also smoking was healthy back there yeah what a time and now we're vaping I'm vaping I should say I'm vaping stop vaping and I have Botox my face oh but speaking of sorry sidebar go even sends me a fucking we should post this Steven sends me a picture of a vape the other day and goes is this yours did you leave it at the studio and I'm like no it's not my fucking vape Steven I think I am I took a real gamble with two I texted first yes I am proud that I was not the first person to be texted so Matt I was like fuck no what did I write you I was so mad I think you were just like hell no and then you were like do you think it's

Georgia's I just didn't answer just like you picked me as a vapor first I'm on I feel like Tori spelling right now I'm just like Donna I'm like Donna Martin graduates I don't get picked for the vape this is a buck and best I seem like an innocent girl but really I'm stealing I'm I don't even know who I am then because Jesus Christ I was just like to have I ever vaped in front of you Steven I dare you I am not a fucking DJ get away stop making fun of me was it really oh yeah it's CVD and just a smooch of THC oh I thought you figured that out oh shit am I allowed to announce the AI vape and and but you please don't do that because it's gonna kill you it's so bad for your lungs I know I know okay I'm

trying not to you just rub the cream on your arms you'll be fine thank you it's my son of a bitch Steven and I was so nice about your haircut I got the text and I was like god damn it okay oh my god I literally thought it was gonna be like who's someone left their baby Billy Jensen he stays up at night solving crimes and vaping at his desk he's like a detective it's not so cool modern one of the factories to produce these watches that we were talking about opens in Orange New Jersey in 1916 so it's like they had gotten the military contract to make the these luminescent watches for soldiers so like that's a big deal they're called the U.S. Radiant Corporation and they hire about 70 women and girls some of the

youngest 14 it's the same situation as a triangle or short waist factory where you know young girls worked and they worked in these big you know factories all set up together but it was actually a well-paid glamorous job and like the girls who got and I'm gonna say girls a lot and I know I mean young women but just please bear with me it was a glamorous job it was it paid three times as much as a regular factory job okay it was and then also they were listed as artists in their town directories so it was like kind of a prestigious job nice yeah and they told their friends and sisters and they all got hired for it as well so like everyone was stoked on this fucking position it was quote the

elite job for the poor working girls it paid more than three times the average factory job and what so if you're making five bucks an hour and suddenly you're making like it was like 15 to 18 it's bananas and they got to work with radium which in their minds were like it was like the healthy fucking tonic it was it was like that vitamin C stuff that you pour in water when you go on a plane that's right that actually doesn't do anything except for make you feel better that's right that's just harrowing Karen okay and they soon became known as radium girls and they ranked in the top five percent of female workers nationally and eventually an estimated 4,000 workers were hired by corporations in the U.S. and

Canada a lot of them were U.S. radium corporation workers to paint watch faces with radium between 1917 and 1926 so this was a big fucking career move for women can I give you an prediction that I have for this story okay by the end of the story the U.S. radium corporation is going to change their name okay so this is at a time when women are slowly gaining financial freedom the boys are all away at war so they can have these fucking awesome jobs and this is like the best one and it's a time of growing female empowerment so this is like changing the way women live and work and it's an important step in it except it's radium so well another perk of the radium paint that it made everything it touched shimmer and glow in the dark so

after work so like they turn the lights off and they sprinkle it on their heads and dance in it they'd wear their fanciest dresses to work so that it can glow and after work they go to the speakeasies they go to the dance halls and they'd be the glowing girls and they'd look you know effervescent but I bet you they were like so thrilled it was like they got to be a part of the new way of something and it's like you go out and it's like oh that must be one of those girls who has that fucking tits job yes I'm gonna go borrow seven dollars from her that's right that's what I would be thinking it's a fortune and the radium dust was in the factory air itself it was like glowing so they even rubbed it

on their teeth like freak each other out and they painted their nails with it to make them glow as well they became known as ghost girls because they would be walking home and in the dark and just be fucking glowing they're the first gods oh yeah yeah they blow their noses and their tissues would glow that's like my sister sorry but my sister texted me one time and she's like I just blew my nose and glitter came out because I teach kindergarten so I love that that's exactly what that is so here's the thing though obviously that's all bad because now we know radium is fucking toxic but they didn't at the time and the technique they'd been taught to get these teeny tiny numbers on wristwatches painted

small enough the tiny dials which sometimes were only three point five centimeters wide was called lip pointing after painting each number the girls were instructed to slip the tip of this teeny tiny paintbrush between their lips to make it a fine point so you'd paint the one lip point you'd paint the two yeah let me go through the dial count me up to 25 have you been fucking with my babe you know conceptually yes so it was known as a lip dip paint routine so with every digit the girls swallowed a little bit of radium and the women were not stupid they were like yo is this fucking safe and the managers were like no it's totally safe it'll put a rosy glow in your cheeks it's fine even though

the like big wig men were wearing like fucking lead you know jackets to work with it and we're very careful with it and probably I'm sure already knew that it was you know when did they when did they truly know pretty good question pretty early on I would say yeah so and it's only a 20 year old element 20 year old element so like what do you know even if they knew they didn't know the long-term effects of it at all yeah but just like vaping just it's almost exactly the same shit in fact Marie Curie herself had suffered radiation burns from handling her own fucking finding yeah and Pierre Curie had once said that he would not want to be in a room with pure radium because he believed it would burn all the skin

off his body destroy his eyesight and quote probably kill him but they're like no but put those fucking pain brush chips in your mouth yeah as you can imagine since it's fucking radioactive the women's started to experience side effects of fucking unknowingly feeding themselves radium pretty quickly in the early 20s 1920s some of the radium girls started developing symptoms like chronic exhaustion tooth and jaw pains even stillborn birth 22 year old Molly Magia M H E G I A Magia Magia or Magia yeah she had had to quit her job at the radium factory because of the aching pain in her limbs that were so agonizing that they eventually left her unable to walk and that's in the early 1920s and this job wasn't

that old so she had been erroneously diagnosed with rheumatism and had been prescribed only aspirin at first but quickly she had lost most of her teeth that was the thing was that the teeth would come out and in their place on these agonizing ulcers would grow and the teeth would just come out and then her entire lower jaw and the roof of her mouth and even some of the bones of her ears were said to be one large abscess oh yeah and this is after a couple years of this so her entire lower jaw bone had become so brittle that her doctor removed it simply by lifting it out oh my god yeah this is like bad news intense yeah her jaw bone was found to be riddled with teeny these teeny tiny holes and this is

because the body actually treats radium as calcium substitute so it you know absorbs like it would absorb calcium it absorbs radium into the bone right but instead of strengthening the bones like calcium radium kills off the bone tissue but the women weren't yet aware of the culprit of course that's because the specialist who'd begun to help the women who were suffering Dr. Frederick Flynn of Columbia University after declaring there was absolutely nothing wrong with them he turned out not to be a licensed physician but a toxicologist working for the very radium factory that the women worked for the U.S. Radium Corporation boo and the man who was introduced as his colleague was actually a vice president there

as well so they were like you know we're doctors you're fine don't worry about it oh yeah yeah horrible so the U.S. Radium Corporation also paid off local doctors and dentists to tell the women that they were sufferings from syphilis and partly like they told them they were suffering from syphilis and it was also like shaming them to not talk about it yeah shut up and that was being written on their charts and written as eventually their cause of death which was shameful to the family and they could use it against them in court if they had to later down the road what's what a fucking dastardly move this is only a hundred years ago it's that's not that long ago guys so when the girls started dying from their

radium poisoning first with Maggie on September 12 1922 she's just 24 years old the list of cause of death is syphilis 18 year old Grace Fryer she had started to work as a dial painter on April 10th 1917 just four days after the U.S. had joined World War One she wanted to do all she could to help with the war effort which I think a lot of women getting these jobs but they were you know doing all they could yeah but by the time Maggie had died Grace Fryer too was having trouble with her jaw and suffering pains in her feet and so were her colleagues and their legs broke underneath them their spines collapsed like these were they were bedridden and soon more were dying oh my god yeah the United the U.S. Radiant

Corporation denied any responsibility for the deaths for almost two years but when their bottom line was threatened by the shrinking sales due to the rumors that were spreading about the dangers of radium so finally people aren't like buying it anymore and then like all right we gotta do something yeah in 1924 they commissioned an expert to look into the rumored link between the dial painting profession and the women's deaths the independent study confirmed the link between the radium and the women's illnesses but instead of accepting the findings and making the the changes that had been suggested thank you the company paid for new studies that published the opposite conclusion and they also lied to the Department

of Labor which had begun investigating about the verdict of the original report bastards totally so in 1925 a doctor named Harrison Mertland devised tests that proved once and for all that radium had poisoned the women fucking finally Mertland discovered that when radium was used internally even a tiny amount the radium had essentially honeycombed the women's bones oh my god like what a so dark so dark it's so dark in 1925 grace fryer her spine was essentially crushed and she had to wear a steel back brace she decided to sue finally US radium corporation but she would spend two years searching for just a lawyer who was willing to help her that's like two years of that but she said quote it is not

for myself I care I am thinking more of the hundreds of girls to whom this may serve as an example yes because remember there's like four thousand of these workers out there and like it's as you said just the beginning of this kind of empowerment or when we're like I can have a job I can get paid decently yeah like all these ideas where it's almost like this is the you know yeah they could interpret it as like oh this is what I get for trying to leave the kitchen essentially so it's like thank god and yeah and it is the thing of like these women stood up to shipping unfair like it's straight up like that's not fair it's like basic fucking fairness it's not yeah it's not only not fair you you must be

psychopaths do this and then try to justify it totally and lie about it yeah exactly so other women's legs were shortened and they spontaneously fractured oh sometimes the moment a woman realized she even had radium poisoning was when she caught sight of herself in a mirror in the middle of the night as the radium had embedded itself in her bones and had caused them to glow from the inside out oh she walked by a mirror see herself glowing and be like fuck and like all of her fucking friends and co-workers were dying they literally were and falling apart yeah so by then Dr. Marlin had also found that the poisoning was fatal because there was no way to remove the radium from your body so Grace was finally able to

find a lawyer named Raymond Berry who along with Grace and four fellow workers Catherine Schaub, Edna Hussman, Quinta McDonald and Albana Larice accepted their case in 1927 wow yeah they were seeking $250,000 in damages which is about 3.4 million today good but they wanted to just fucking pay their increasing medical bills they wanted they couldn't work so they wanted money for that and eventually they needed the money for their own funerals and they knew it it's not fucking horrific yes that you need you're suing this company because you need money for your own funeral which is probably right around the corner yeah so keep in mind that some of the women are still employed at the fucking factory

but even with a lawyer they had a huge fight ahead of them due to the two-year there was a two-year statute limitations on occupational poisoning which is like who passed that law yeah and so most of the girls didn't start to get sick from radium poisoning until at least five years after they started work so that was already gone by the time they fucking realized they were even sick yeah and the rich and powerful radium corporations of course had to fight them and the fact that they had to fight a legal battle that necessitated the overturning of an existing legislation which is huge like it's not just like I'm suing based on this it's I need to turn this over so I have the right to sue yeah crazy

but grace was the daughter of a union delegate and she had chutzpah badass totally by now the fight had become internationally famous and there were all these people who were on the women's side and couldn't believe this was happening and there were a lot that were like this is starting to be during the downturn of the Great Depression and so they were like you know some people were against them because they were like don't fight the people who are giving you jobs which is ridiculous yeah well and and it's very much like keep people in power who will kill you for money right exactly yeah we just need jobs no matter what they are no no so the US radium corporation of course wanted to delay the trial as much

as possible with the hope that all the women in the case would die before the outcome would be reached oh wow yeah so they just kept you know being like our executives are on vacation for months and they kept calling these long recesses for like months and months and I think that was pissing a lot of the public off because they could tell what was happening oh so they kind of rallied around the women in fact by the time that women finally appeared in court to testify in January of 1928 none of them were able to raise their arms to take the oath oh my god and two were bedridden and these are young women these are young fucking women as some of the women had just been given four months to live and the company

seemed intent on dragging out the legal legal proceedings the case was finally settled in the women's favor in 1928 and it became a milestone of occupational hazard law and raised the profile of radium poisoning just as Grace had wanted that was her whole fucking point she I think she knew she wasn't going to survive and all by 1927 more than 50 women had died as a direct result of radium paint poisoning and despite denials of any fault by the US radium corporation after the lawsuit they and other factories that dealt with radium laced paint they changed the working conditions quickly I think they were like realizing this was going to be fucking bad they they banned the lip pointing so you couldn't put the brush

okay good thank you telling us to do it now you don't want us to do it great and they gave them protection protective clothing to minimize exposure and after these simple changes were instituted which actually had been suggested and ignored years before by that independent study the health issues among dial painters quickly went away and it's it's likely that at least some of them still got cancer later in life as a result of working with the radium paint right but significantly lower amounts by the time Grace's of Grace's settlement the dangers of radium were publicly known people stop fucking bathing and drinking in it buttering their toast with it or whatever the fuck health toast yeah more women sued

and the radium companies appealed several times but in 1939 the supreme court rejected the last appeal so finally that happened the survivors received compensation and the death certificates of the women who had been put as syphilis as all these other conditions that weren't real and true they were changed to radium poisoning good I think is a big you know a big deal yes that that is such an invasive shitty move yeah like what a what sinister mind was behind that yeah and they actually they resurrected Maggie's body sorry I'm listening to an 1800s New York Resurrectionist book right now oh they deinterred it yeah like a bit dug it up and she was glowing like it lasts it lasts lifetimes yeah

the radium girls case was one of the first in which an employer was made responsible for the health of the company's employees and it led to regulations that saved lives and ultimately to the establishment of OSHA the Occupational Safety and Health Administration which now operates nationally in the United States to protect workers before OSHA was set up 14,000 people died on the job every year well today it's just over 4500 which is a fucking a lot yeah I mean it's a lot that's a lot the women also left a legacy as to science that's been termed invaluable as it revealed the dangers of radium so thankfully people stopped using it yeah in fact Marie Curie's notes from the 1890s are still considered

too dangerous to handle without protection due to the high levels of radioactivity and are stored in lead line boxes yeah her notes about this about radium yeah and she died from a plastic anemia in 1934 resulting from long-term ionizing radiation exposure so she died fucking from radiation exposure as well yeah but I think clearly Grace Fryer is a fucking hero hell yeah and cheers to her yeah oh my god radio the radium girls you know first of all amazing and also don't you think could it be that because of the triangle shirt waste fire and the results of that that when they finally did get caught yeah actually that was the that's the different president was said yes there's a tiny bit of an improvement

where those the triangle shirt waste fire guys were just like now we're gonna open another factory yeah all everything's the same you can't touch us huh huh and in this one at least they were just like okay shut all that down yeah these fixes like let's do a couple changes and this is also in New Jersey around the same time so it's like I'm sure they were following tri-state area tri-state it got around that was great wow thank you so yeah next time you're at a party give it a shot and say you're the radium girls yeah I just want to talk to you well this week I'm gonna do my friend Bradford's hometown actually he is from Bradford, he's from Stevens Point Wisconsin and he told me told me about this

a while ago but he kept saying did I ever tell you about the Dairy Queen murder and then I was like no and I was like I'll send you the article and then he didn't do it for like years yeah and he finally sent it to me what it's really called is the murder of Lisa Sahaske so classic yeah so it is it's just a it's a classic one I got the information from an article from the Chicago Tribune CBS 58 WDJT Milwaukee which is the local news and the Wisconsin State Farmer there's a book called Killer Women that you know every once in a while you'll look up a story and it'll just show you pages from a book yes and it'll but it'll only show you a certain amount of pages and it won't let you copy and paste

them it seems like a retight no you have to read the whole thing whatever there's a book called Killer Women Devastating True Stories of Female Murderers by Wensley Clarkson and so I read a couple pages of that book until they wouldn't let me read anymore but there's a lot of good information in that and okay so on the morning of September 21st 1989 Shirley Sahaske realizes that her daughter Lisa who works as the assistant sales and catering manager at the Howard Johnson Hotel has not come home from her night shift so Shirley drives over there to see if Lisa is still at work or what's going on and when she gets there she sees that her daughter's car is still in the parking lot so she's really

relieved and then she goes walks up and looks inside her daughter's car and after that nothing would be the same for her again so Lisa Sahaske is the daughter of ginseng farmers in Burnham Wood Wisconsin and Lisa is an ambitious smart popular girl she was the 1986 homecoming queen at Wittenberg Burnham Wood High School and when in 1984 she started dating a local dairy farmer named Bill Bus who was five years older than her so this is like upstate Wisconsin basically very rural and it's very and agricultural and so that's what a lot of people do up there should like a normal life exactly yeah and so a lot of farming a lot of a lot of cows and dairy smelly but the smells are amazing you know and of course what Wisconsin's famous

for cheese so Bill the guy she was dating he had also gone to the same high school but he was about five years older as I said so after graduation he took over running his parents 50 acre farm and he ran it by himself oh my god so he had to do all the work on the farm did everything so he was real you know salt of the earth kind of person so Lisa dates Bill for around three years but they bring things off in 1987 because Lisa wants to become a travel agent so she that's what she's planning to do and Bill wants her to basically settle down and start a family with him and live on the farm and he's you know like doesn't like that she doesn't just want to do that so they decide to end it and

soon after Bill starts dating other people and he eventually starts to seriously date another local beauty queen 18 year old Lori Easter so Lori grows up in Hatle, Wisconsin her family's 450 he was with 50 he's was 50 so it's a big old a big old ranch I grew up in a condo I can't even imagine a fucking farm I grew up in a plain old house next to a very small farm yeah that had no output it was just kind of for fun essentially love it for 4h essentially but yeah these were these are people that like farm yeah milk they sell milk it's like they don't complain dairy production no they never complain well who would they complain to right no one gives a shit they don't have a boss it's they're

the boss they're doing it all my worst nightmare the cows are like you think you have it bad look at that machine hooked up to my utters live to complain that just kills me okay that's what people are sewing at night with at the kitchen table yeah I live to complain so Lori Easter goes to the same high school that Lisa and Bill went to she's a year younger than Lisa she was a national member of the National Honor Society she was a president of her local chapter of the FFA the Future Farmers of America got it she's also pretty she's also ambitious like Lisa and after her graduation in 1987 she goes away and studies at the University of Wisconsin River Falls to to study agriculture journalism so during her first semester of

her freshman year there in 1988 she starts dating the newly single and now 24 year old Bill Bus so the next summer she's actually crowned the Marathon County Dairy Princess it's a very high honor it's a very big deal Marathon County is the most dairy intensive county in the state of Wisconsin so that's really saying calm down right and and if you're I guess if you're named the Dairy Princess you're like your family has to be involved in dairy production you're like you know you're in it so it's not just any old your pretty face your two teeth and very you got to know your shit yeah your cow shit so so essentially it seems to things seem to be all coming together for for Lori until June of 1989 and that's

when Bill breaks up with her so she's devastated and she she basically thought she was going to settle down with Bill and like raise kids and be on his farm her family kept several head of cattle on his farm that's that's like how she knew him that's how you know you're serious right he's like the hot older farmer that that was like around yeah she would come over to feed her watch your cow her cows oh my god how are your cows mine are good okay so he breaks up with her and she loses her shit because then relatively soon after this breakup she hears that Bill and Lisa Sehasky have gotten back together and that he is planning on proposing to her to Lisa on Lisa's 20th birthday which is October 25th oh shit so

according to Lori's college classmates she was obsessed with Bill she talked about getting back together with him constantly she also told her friends that she hated Lisa Sehasky she actually one time they were in the same bar together and she's like called her a bitch and a slut like made a scene in this bar so it's very well known around the area that like this that Lori hated Lisa and a lot you know a lot of people knew that Lori was kind of on the edge but nobody understood how far she would go so so one night it's just past midnight Bill has had to stay up till the way it's explained is that he had to stay up till midnight because that was like the most productive time that he could milk his

cows so he had to stay up and do it all himself and then he finally gets back into his house to go to bed at 1245 because he has to get up again at 530 in the morning to start working again no complaints I mean you just can't and right as he's trying to go to sleep 1245 he hears a knock at his front door and he tries to ignore it but it's not going away and he knows it's not going away because the person on the other side of the door isn't going to leave and because she's done it before and it's Lori Isker he had broken up with her three weeks before but she would not leave him alone and she kept driving down from college to his house to talk to beg him to get back together with her trying to have sex with

him saying you know like we you know we need to get back together we've never been there before oh my god you mean pathetic yeah yes of course feeling it's terrible and it is that thing of when you're in it it is like this is the only person that I will ever have these feelings yeah you have this adrenaline and you have this like fucking well you have a like a dopamine yeah they gave you this dopamine hit and they're not giving it to you anymore so you're like a drug addict that can't get that's jones and jones and if you can't get that person back it proves something about you and you can't let that be proved about you yeah have to fucking make this work and it's like the only thing you think about

yeah and you could I think you could put together with those facts about her life that clearly right she was an achiever she was you know I'm used to winning pretty you know smart you know guys to being the president yeah getting her way is get through your 20s and it calm your dopamine just kind of levels out yeah pretty low you know it is when you're in your 20s try not to make any big moves because although you know you're right yeah and that you can believe you're right yeah 100% you're not yeah moving slow motion yes in your three or 20s and if anybody is like waving their arms over their head going please listen to me yeah just do it just try to listen to them especially if it's your sister I know

she was an asshole when you're young right but she does care about yeah she doesn't want you look like a fucking idiot she really is trying to do she's trying to run interference for you and just save a little bit of face and look we've all been there if you've made a fool of yourself you are not alone you've just become one brotherhood of man that's right and the sisterhood of women it's right and also because here's a thing that you know it does suck when people are basically like well I was going out with the girl I loved but it's not working out now I'm gonna shop around and see how I feel forget it I'm going back yeah because and that's just what happens sometimes so it can't be this point of pride

because you everybody loses in love yeah until the one time they went exactly how it is oh it's lovely everyone's a loser until they're not one time it's true true and I'll say this I only learned understood that like when I was like 47 like it took me way too long to get it but I think you can win more than once definitely if the winning eventually becomes losing yeah eventually look we are all gonna lose aka die so or divorce I don't want this to seem like I'm announcing my doors not if you were to get divorced I would not let you announce it on this podcast that's not how you do it love you then you have to I love you Vince too please don't leave us so okay but everyone's had this kind of freak out

and made an asshole of themselves you have to know when to drop it yeah especially when like this evening in particular Laurie knocks on the door goes inside says we I know you want to get back together with me it was so good between us begins taking her clothes off she's wearing lingerie underneath her clothes she's doing a big sexy presentation he's kind of like what in the hell and he's like I'm not doing this with you I'm too tired no go home and goes into his room he goes to bed she stands there cuz she can't believe it's not working then she goes into his room gets on top of him and is like I know you want it essentially and if basically forces him to yell I don't love you I love Lisa get

out of my house give up and basically he has to like scream it in her face she makes him scream it in her face don't make people scream it in your face don't make people scream anything in your face don't make people suggest it in your face yeah just get away don't let people in your face if people you what's that there's an amazing when when people can pick your friends screaming faces if you can't pick your Nina some it's a Nina Simone quote singer Nina Simone and she said you have to learn to get up from the table one love is no longer being served Nina beautiful okay so she finally stops and without a word she gets up and walks out the door and slams the door and Bill thanks thank God I finally

got rid of that crazy ex-girlfriend guess what but sadly that was not the case and two months later on the morning of September 21st Shirley Sahaske would find the body of her daughter lying dead in her car in the parking lot at her work so the police are called to the scene they determined Lisa's cause of death to be strangulation holy shit and they announced that they're on the lookout for either a male or a female so everybody keep your eyes peeled for everyone around you wow when Bill Bus is questioned by the police he brings up the fact that on June 23rd Lisa had a loud argument with a woman on his farm after Bill had said that he wanted to end his old relationship and that that woman was

Laurie Isker so eight days later police arrest Laurie Isker she's brought in for questioning on September 29th 1989 she gives her account of the evening of September 20th saying that she had rented a car she was only 20 so she actually had to convince the rent a car person and she told this big lie about a thing she needed to go grandma dad yes she had to go help her mom or grandma I can't remember move and that she really needed it and please and she just charmed her way into renting a car that's bananas super bananas she drives the 150 miles northeast to the Howard Johnson Motel where Lisa works when she gets there she waits for Lisa in the parking lot she sits and waits for Lisa to get off work and

then when Lisa walks outside she's standing there and she's like we need to talk and she says we need to talk get it we need to get into your car yeah so once she's inside the story tells Lisa that Bill is hers and she needs to leave him alone and Lisa tries to reason with her she says look it's it's you have to give up it's not like this anymore like you it's crazy now and this is when Laurie drops her bombshell she tells Lisa that she's pregnant with Bill's baby and she's expecting Lisa to start crying and break down and get really mad at three weeks earlier yeah and and she's basically this is her thing of like I'm gonna make her like get mad at Bill and freak her out and then break them up essentially

but instead of that Lisa tells Laurie she knows she's lying she says that Bill would never betray her and that if for some reason he had like been seduced and gotten Laurie pregnant that he would have told her by now because that's the relationship they had because he really loved her and that she's known Bill for a really long time and Laurie has it and she basically says she trusts him and she knows that he loves her and not Laurie and that Laurie needs to accept it and this is when Laurie snaps she tells police now she tells police that she and Laurie started fighting they got into an argument in the car that then basically got out of control and fearing for her life Laurie acted in self-defense by

grabbing a belt that she found in the back seat of the car and wrapping it around Lisa's neck. That's not self-defense. No it is not. Holy shit. So the officer that was questioning Laurie his name is Sheriff's deputy Randy Hoennich. You got it. Sorry Randy.

It probably is not but that's as close as I can get. He asked Laurie to demonstrate the strangulation so it could be on record and he says that Laurie quote was not shy or hesitant as to how she did this as a matter of fact she had me off my chair and up against the wall in the interview room. Holy shit. And he said Laurie was quote a strong powerful woman. It takes a long time to strangle someone to death. It takes over two minutes so the idea that it was an accidental death is impossible.

That's a sustained fucking experiment like you're not trying to calm someone down. Well no and even if you could use the excuse of like we got into this fight and I was so angry I was in a rage but then you then count out two minutes on your watch. Yeah and at some point the person's unconscious and you still don't let go. No and they're fighting you and yet Laurie horrific. Lisa had scratches on her own neck trying to get the belt off of her neck. So Laurie claims she never intended to kill Lisa that at the time of the strangulation she didn't even know if Lisa was dead or just passed out.

So she says that she went into Lisa's purse took out her makeup bag pulled out like a compact mirror and held it to Lisa's mouth to see if her breath would create like steam on the mirror. Because she wanted to make sure she was dead. Yes and then when she saw that she was not breathing she said that she told the police that she thought oh my god I've killed her I don't know what I'm going to do I didn't mean to hurt her her parents are going to think I did it on purpose. Honey.

Then she took the belt and she took a ring off of Lisa's finger. She leaves the car she throws the ring away in a convenience store garbage can and she throws the belt down the incinerator chute in her dorm. Fuck incinerators man. How much evidence has been fucking burnt to shreds and dorm incinerators? How about we just close off any kind of access to an incinerator. To fire. Yeah fire of any kind.

So in court Marathon County District Attorney Greg Grough argues that a death by strangulation of this fashion could not be accidental that Laurie would have had had the belt in place around Lisa's neck for at least two minutes. The jury agrees and after a seven and a half hour deliberation Laurie Isker is convicted for the first degree murder of Lisa Sahaski. She sentenced to life in prison with eligibility for parole after 13 years and nine months on July 16th of this year. 13 years that's nothing.

July 16th of this year Laurie Isker was released from the Robert E. Ellsworth Correctional Center in Union Grove. She is 50 years old and she is now free on parole in 1995 the story of Lisa Sahaski's murder was turned into a movie entitled Beauty's Revenge starring Tracy Gold and Courtney Thorne Smith as playing the part of Laurie Isker. Which one was Laurie Isker? Is the murderer. No but Courtney Thorne Smith.

Courtney Thorne Smith. Oh yeah I see that. Yeah from Melrose Place. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Which is very funny because it's such an old I mean now to me it feels antiquated that

idea of like can you believe two beautiful girls like a beautiful girl would do this where it's like yes, yes sociopaths they are good at being beautiful it's part of the masking cloak. Right. And then you don't need a Melrose Place actress to fucking seem evil and beautiful it's like you can be Tracy Gold and be fucking. Yeah. Yeah that's right.

The thing that when Bradford was telling me about the story the reason he knows it is because it was of course on the news because it was like huge news where he lived. When it happened and then like very, very soon after like the trial took place the TV show Twin Peaks premiered and when it came out his whole family assumed it was a docu series about this murder. So they watched it as a family. They watched the first episode of Twin Peaks as a family when he was in high school. Did they have a fucking carbon monoxide leak or something?

Yeah. Jesus Christ. They just assumed it was like oh it's this story the way like the promos came out they just assumed oh it's a murder story of this thing that happened. So the whole family sits down to watch it and then I go so did your parents like freak out and he goes no we all loved it then we all watched it every week like even though me and my brother were teenagers it became like the thing my family did and that's how he got into like Twin Peaks and he found out about like.

You guys send us your hometowns of weird shit you watched with your family where inappropriate stuff that you watch with your family. And mistakes you made like this because that one is like because they were basically they were inundated with the story of this local the Dairy Queen murder they called it the Beauty Queen murder at the time and so they thought and I think that's the way Twin Peaks was promoted because she was you know Laura Palmer yeah she was the homecoming queen or whatever. So yeah so that's the that's the story of the murder of Lisa Sahaske. Great job.

Thank you. Cool. Good job. Thanks. Do you have a fucking hooray? Yes I do. Well this is my my secret fucking hooray but so I didn't get a mammogram until this year which is bad.

When are you supposed to get them? You actually I looked it up and the Mayo Clinic website says that they recommend women start getting them when they're 40. You should definitely get them by the time you're 45 you should start getting them regularly but it's good if you start getting them when you're 40 because then you have a baseline. Don't be like me who when you have your first one you're 49 there's no baseline so if they find something irregular they immediately panic and you have to go back and get more mammograms and ultrasounds and then ultimately a biopsy which was what I had to do last week

and for you know I was pretty sure I didn't have breast cancer it does not run in my family it just isn't a thing and I just kind of was pretty sure I didn't but scared the shit out of myself for like a good 14 days waiting to find out if I did or not and I will tell you this for the people who are like I'll just do it later get them early so that you can create this baseline because biopsies are the most awful things it is really nasty if they put a big long needle into your boob don't do it to yourself if you can be preventative and like take care of yourself just do it I highly just as a person who just went through a little mini quiet drama that I told you about and about three other people.

I'm honored. I'm honored to hold that with you. You really did hold it with me nicely and you kept saying do you want to what did you say you sent me a text that was like do you want to be emotional about this or something you kept asking me these hilarious questions I'm fine everything's going to be fine I was like well if you want to be a mo if you don't want to be fine I'm here for that too you're allowing me to not be fine and my answer was let's save it for when there's actually for sure reason to not be fine right and so luckily luckily luckily not going to what there was

no reason but I will just take that and as a little piece of wisdom to pass on to the younger listeners please please get just get your baseline mammogram just do it no you should get your baseline everything and like just make sure that you're healthy yes pay attention yeah you don't understand how important your health is because you take it for granted when you're young so yeah you know do it okay I okay in eight months I'll do it when I turn 40 it'll be my present to you as I'll drive you over will you hold my hand yes and and while some strange lady with gloves on just smashes your boo and it and look you get you get your boobs smashed it's a rite of passage it's not so painful that you cry but it does

hurt your feelings a lot it hurts your feelings that you're like who made this machine why do they hate women so much yeah why can't we update these machines good one well I can't follow that up come on mine is that you're you got the every okay everything's fine right yeah no it is I don't know I had Rosh Hashanah dinner at my house with my whole family and it was lovely and the only political talk was when I wasn't in the room so nice it's a bonus the brisket came out beautiful thanks to Vince yeah it was like a really nice time oh that's good yeah I was gonna send you a Rosh Hashanah gift because there's a ton of them yeah there's one with it a shofar and some apples and honey going down a river and

I was like what's this about I had to look it up if you ever need a gift to send to me on a Jewish holiday there is an Siamese cat dressed in like our Jewish garb just send me that photo if you look it up online that's the one for you look up Hanukkah Siamese cat what about the one that I sent to you nor in that day that's the it's the guy that's in like a Hasidic Jewish clothing that's on a motorbike that skids up to the camera and then it just says Jewish in all caps that was my favorite one so far gifts man gifts that's my fucking array they're great you can use them for anything people who've lived only in the time where gifts existed you have no idea how sad it used to be you know that

you could only say to other people when you were shrugging your shoulders saying oh you had to say that there was no gift to send them that was like convey no you had to be like you had to say it out loud yeah you had to say it as yourself there was no witty child right that got captured on camera right for you a fucking corn dog yeah the one I love is that little boy that's holding the cup and looking around like what the fuck you know that one it you can use it for anything what about the little girl that's holding the cotton candy at a baseball game and just goes fucking correct yes she's like sugar high there's actually one and I can't find it anymore it's that same little girl she goes crazy and then

takes off like a rocket and goes up out of the gift it's so funny guys um tweet us your favorite gift at my fave murder on twitter and we don't want to hear if you pronounce it jiff oh it's not jiff it's not jiff it's gift it's gift they came in too late with the connect connect connect the connect pronunciation oh man touch that there's just vapes all around our feet on the ground around here even just keep trying to give us vapes is it see they're your vapes you guys need to chill the fuck don't you feel like you want to vape no no vaping you guys are the best we're we're happy to be here thanks for listening you guys yeah we're very grateful um we have a very good time on this podcast and we are happy that

you do too yep and uh and that's just what we're gonna assume is happening I mean why would you get to this fucking insane point in the podcast if you weren't stoked you better be yeah are you vaping or what I mean you gotta be um do not vape the only I want we won't we won't we promise no more vape we're all promising okay say sexy and don't get murdered goodbye Elvis do you want a cookie