My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 21 - Because 7 8 9

Episode Date: June 16, 2016

This week the ladies go way off topic before launching into their favorite murders, which focuses on the Cleveland Elementary School shootings (aka "I don't like Mondays") and 1800s nurse/serial killer Jane Toppan. Please remember to stay sexy and don't get murdered! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Welcome. Hi. This is my favorite murder, Karen is taking a drink of water. I'm Georgia. I don't know that everyone's tomorrow. Hey, comes out. So it feels like I have to do it sometimes. Like, I don't have a choice. Get it out of your system. Bye. Bye. Welcome to episode 21 of the podcast that rocks you to sleep at night and then shocks you awake at 3 a.m. with bad feelings. And yet you still want to be friends with it. We're now asleep helping podcasts. We're like the podcast sleep with me that I'm obsessed with, except we'll make you stay awake all night. So it's for people who don't want to fall asleep ever again. Are you a night show security guard?

You might want to listen to this podcast. Do you have manic depression and you're just going to be up all night anyways? Then jump on board. Do you have a collicky baby? Are you a murderer? A serial killer? Are you a burglar? A burglar? Are you a cat burglar? Are you a cat burglar? Let us sneak along the rooftops with you. We'd love to. Let's do it. Goodbye. I worked today as most Americans did. Not me. But you did do something. No. Really? Were you in that outfit all day? Not this one. This is actually cuter than what I would wear all day. And this is a fucking house dress. Georgia has a house dress on that looks like something from Bewitched, but hotter. It's like a key party,

like a casual key party outfit. It's like a tomato red with gold brocade, sleeveless, mini house dress. Yeah. I mean, they don't make them like that anymore. Karen, I'm trying to seduce you. You were correct. Girl, let's work in. I don't need a house dress. I just need a murderer story. Yay. That's the sad truth of it. I'm trying to think of like, have I ever been to a party or a situation where a guy has talked about this topic we love so much, kind of brought it up themselves. Like you've bonded. You've been like, I got, I had the best conversation with this guy last night. Right. Like across the crowded road. Yeah. Gosh. Garsh. I don't think so. I know neither. What is happening over there? I was just playing with

the, there's a kitten in the room. Everyone should know this. Georgia's upping the cat factor by 1000 with a cat, a kitten named Kevin. Oh my God. Like, and he's being very loud right now, but he's so cute. He's super. Um, he looks, Georgia won't admit that she bought a pure bread. It's not my, it's not my adopt. Don't shop. God damn it. Uh, this cat looks so pure bread though. It's weird. He's a Link's point Siamese. He's pure bread. However, he was found, I don't know, let's say in a dumpster. Let's say in a tiny cat size dumpster. Tiny cat size dumpster. He was bottle fed. He was bottle fed by a raccoon. He somewhat, somewhat, a cat burglar stole him from a pure bread breeding place and is now adopting them out. And then a family of frogs

that wear vests raised him down by a pond. That's so cute. The mom accepted them as her baby. Yep. And Kevin read on the road on the mom frogs back, uh, until they were like, this hurts. I gotta get rid of this. Georgia's house. Let's strap them off. And they are with the red, their lily pad right up. Are we both high? Neither of us got high before this. This is, this is adding to the dream pod, the sleep podcast. Oh, that's what we're doing. Right, meandering stories, meandering stories. We're going to add, we're going to try to add along with all the horrible visuals that we feed straight into your brain. We're also adding some fun toad and a vest visuals. Yeah, some like, um, some like acid visuals, some fucking, let's say you're on peyote. Have you ever done peyote?

No. God, I've never been offered peyote in my life. I don't, don't you have to go to the Andes or something to get that shit? Sure. Or ayahuasca be friends with Duncan trestle or something. I am friends with them. Oh, I am. I got a name drop. Sorry. If you can't handle it. Are you? What do we got? Any housekeeping? Man, we got a shitty shooting story. Oh, dude. Talk about that. Are we just going to be like every week we talk about what's in the news? I mean, seriously, it's, it's such a bummer. I mean, that this one too is like such a huge one that I don't, I didn't process it when I first heard it. I was like, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, mass shooting. And then as it progresses and I look at social media and everything, it's so awful. I feel like

it's one of those serious watermark things where people, it's like, when are we going to do something? Well, one would hope, but why wouldn't Sandy Hook be that? Those are, those were like five-year-old children that got gunned down. It's so rough. You know, not that gay people are any, but it's just this, just why wouldn't that happen? Yes. I got shamed on social media. Why? Okay. I don't want to be like on this topic. Yeah. I want to be, I want to take responsibility for my actions and not say this is stupid. I, and say that maybe I did something wrong. So I posted something about like guns don't peep, kill people, people with mental illness who are have access to guns. Oh dude. And I got all these responses that were like, please don't,

you need to not say homophobia as a mental illness. It was all in the point that I said that guy has a mental illness, which I think when you fucking gun down 100 people in a night club, you probably have some sort of mental illness, but they were saying that I was calling homophobia a mental illness. Right. And so people with things like clinical depression are like, don't fucking put that guy in my group. I have clinical depression and he can be in our group. Well, I mean, yeah, but I feel like people these days, they weren't saying that. They were saying that homophobia isn't a mental illness. Like his eyes were wide open. He had exactly what he was doing, but I don't think you can kill people without having some sort of mental illness.

I feel like these days there's certain words you just can't even say without, I mean, you can say them all you want, but just know you're going to get 50 at replies from people who are either wildly unreasonable or coming from a direction that they are not taking into account. They want to parse words with you. It's just hard because I know I wish people, those people knew me and that I am completely, I am so not homophobic. And, you know, and I was just trying to be supportive and saying how awful it is that we don't have any gun control. Right. And just, and I'm disgusted by it, but instead it just seemed like I was like that I was doing something wrong by saying those things felt really shitty. I mean, people love to tell you

you're wrong, not you specifically, but people love to tell each other they're wrong mom, mom. It's really end of that. Yeah. But, but I think that that's some, especially in those times where people, I think when people are in grief or in panic or in serious fear, they just start reacting and like, and answering and, and trying to police other people because they don't have any control over the way the world works. And it just turns into like real every, nobody's saying the right thing. And you can't say that. And this is how you grieve. And this is how you express yourself. And these are the rules and the rules and the rules and the rules. And it's like, that's fine, except for you going after the wrong people. Well, exactly. Well, also, just like you said,

they don't know you. So they're assuming it, I've done that a bunch of times where I've tweeted something that then I'm like, Oh, this might be a buzzword or this might be sensitive. And no matter what people write back to me, I am the first thing I assume is that they're against me too. And so then I have to read it twice to be like, Oh, no, they're making a joke along with me. I mean, I don't know. It's not the best place. Social media isn't, we all pretend like it's a resort. And it's actually, it's kind of like, you know, it's like a weird hobo camp. Am I allowed to say hobo? It's like crazy hobo camp where everyone's drinking moonshine. And so there's a lot of big reactions. And there's a lot of potatoes and aluminum foil. I didn't say the wrong thing.

You misconstrued my, you know, because I don't, that's like such a shitty thing to do. Yeah, I just let him have it. Like there's, you just let him have it. Yeah, I deleted, I deleted what I said. Oh, you did? Yeah. I mean, whatever. It's not, I don't know. It's not shit. There's no, there's no way to do it right. And especially when people are like, when people are up in arms, it starts to feel good to be up in arms. Not, not in this case specifically, but I feel like, you know, public shaming and this shaming thing, it starts to feel like, no, you need to hear something about how this really is. And it's because people are scared. And that's like, it's such a terrible threat, like a guy murdered people because he saw two guys kissing.

It's almost two, I see it in a way where it's like people who are really into these in these, like, let's say you're in an indie band and you love them and then they get big and you're like, you didn't, you don't get to claim them. It's like almost like, you don't get to say that this person is insane because they're homophobic. That's my thing. And how dare you try to just empathize? Right. Yeah, you're empathizing wrong is what you're being told. But that's also, you have to remember that there's people that don't, that are not on Twitter because they appreciate a turn of phrase or a, you were basically doing a satire of that old saying and just shouldn't have, it's corny anyways. Well, no, no, no, I was being emotional.

What if in the middle of this whole thing, I'm like, that was hacky, Georgia. Because I don't think I don't agree or pissy. It was because you were being a fucking hack. No, I just think, yeah, I think people love to be able to be like, other, other, other in that, in those situations. Well, I didn't mean to offend anyone. And I am completely supportive of mostly everyone. Also, if you're on Twitter and you find yourself at replying and correcting people's grammar, wording or behavior, you might want to just go take, just have a nice tall glass of water and just stand in the kitchen for 20 minutes. I just took a sip of water. Was that directed at me? You know what I use everything around me like a great improviser. It's amazing.

The only, the only correction of grammar that I've ever appreciated was some woman, some woman wrote to the National Spelling Bee, tweeted at them and said like, something about like, they have this like, this couch that when you lose, you can go talk to a therapist on the National Spelling Bee. And this woman was like, can we stop coddling the kids and when they lose, just like, let them fucking lose and like, learn a lesson. But she had written, written loose. And so the National Spelling Bee just wrote at reply and wrote lose. Spelled it correctly. Which was God bless. Amazing. My favorite thing like that that happened recently is they were talking about somebody wrote an article on think it was on Huffington Post

about how inappropriate it was for the Jimmy Kimmel show to ask Megan Fox something about her pregnancy. And Jimmy Kimmel, it was his Twitter account wrote back, Megan actually approved all of the questions that we asked her before the show. So go fuck yourself. And I retweeted it a ton of people I know where it's like, yeah, actually in television, all of those things are preagreed. There is no one that blindsides people on shows like that. That's why I can't watch those shows is because I am so ever. So it was that right that you went skiing recently? I did. You know, it's funny that you mentioned that is so we were up in Whistler. It's I mean, it's it can be like I make me so uncomfortable. It was my life. Oh, you did that. All my sister says you're the worst

person to watch to me that I'm the worst person to watch TV with. Because it's been ruined for me so bad that I love ruining TV for my sister. I'm always like, that was all fake. Do you see that right there? That's an edit that must be from something else because that that lighting changed or whatever where she's like, why would you? I'm sorry it was ruined for you. Why do you ruin it for me? Because it was like fun because it was ruined for me because I can barely enjoy anything. Oh my god, me neither. Yes, award shows too. I can't deal with speeches and like people like presenters and like them saying words wrong in unable to read off a teleprompter when it's like this is your job. And like clearly they hate the person they're presenting with. And then the

person who wins is like such a fucking narcissist. Yeah, well, I think that's what's happening in the whole room almost every time. Here's the thing. It all makes me sick to my stomach. It all is like if you say you're an accountant all day, you know, just like add in figures, add in figures. That'd be like if you then came home and you're like, do you want to watch the add in figures awards? No, I fucking don't want to watch that because this is all fucking smoke and mirrors, dog and pony. I want to watch the figures awards because that sounds fun. I bet those guys are hot. I bet you could make some mad like snack puns on for adding figures, you know, like you could do that. You could absolutely do that old joke of why I was six afraid of seven seven eight nine.

It is the best joke ever written because seven eight nine ladies and gentlemen, your next this next presenter I was doing I was being the host that was going from that red joke parties for award shows and they like have snacks, but the snacks who to be called like whatever like the pun on the movie. Oh, yes. Yeah. So like some kind of math, math, the numbers version of that. Yes. For food. Like it's I would if it was my house, I would put out a bowl of like salted peanuts and I'd be like 1240 peanuts. That's all I can think of. That's why you're the fucking writer in this room. I was trying to think of the snacks that you put out for our legendary Academy Awards party that we had some me and you and Lizzie. Oh, that was fun.

What would devil decks be called? Wait for the accounting award. Yeah. Devil dates. I can only double like square. All my jokes are square. They were square. Devil decks squared. If the eggs themselves were square. Are we going to have this party? Devil seven eight nines. I would have I would watch these things with you and Lizzie Cooperman our friend. People who have who hate everything right want life to fuck off. It has to be with people that are like minded because I've been at ones where I want to make jokes and then people like I'm keeping score excuse me and keeping score excuse me. No, fuck you. I was a wedding over the weekend and then like a couple of us went back to this Airbnb and we're drinking and stuff and I was screaming

at a show. I was yelling at there was a documentary about like some gay actor in the 50s named Tad something. Tad Hunter. Yeah. And I was yelling about how it was all fake and all made up and they were using modern day clips and making them look old. Why? Because I got real mad. I don't know because it looked fake. Some fucking psychopath. Were people like, can I just watch this document? Wait, if you were to party, why were you watching a documentary? It wasn't a party anymore. It was just me and like three of my closest friends. Got it. So it was like, they know they've seen me at my worst. If you can't appreciate me at my worst, you can't appreciate me at my worst. If you can't appreciate me at my worst, then you can't come to the accounting awards with me

because seven eight. There's a red carpet there. There's a step and repeat and repeat and repeat and repeat. That was funny. I think I'm there must be a residual high. There simply must be. Oh, you're just out of it. Been so hard. Oh, sorry. Someone got high in this house. It wasn't us. It wasn't us. Literally wasn't us, but we sure are enjoying the worst jokes of all time right now. Yep. Is there an awards ceremony coming up that we can enjoy together? We missed the Tonys yesterday. I can't watch those. Why would you? Honestly, when I watch people singing at that caliber and I'm not being sarcastic, it makes me immediately start crying immediately. And then I can't like wipe. It's just a weird reaction where I like kind of wish that was me beauty of it.

It's it's an amazing ability that very, very, very few people can do. And it's not people think it's like, Oh, American Idol, you sing. No, no, no. But that's like that kind of singing and the way those people like the level of performance that those people are able to give that's like borderline opera singing. Like, did you see Jennifer Hudson singing purple rain with that with the cast of the color purple when Prince died? No, watch the video. It's somebody took it like from the back of the room. It's that kind of thing where you're like, this is this is I feel that way when I see you sing stop it because I can't you just don't even want to know what my voice sounds like. It's like it's sound it's like a cat screaming and vocal fry at the same time.

It's so bad and you have this like cute riot girl voice. And I'm like, why can't why did I do math instead of learn to sing when I was 13. That's my opera that couldn't there couldn't be a bigger compliment. I mean, this is a murder podcast. This is this is off topic. Is it but also, you know, what this happened to me the other day at work, someone goes, Oh my god, you have to see this. Did you see Jenna Dewan Tatum on on the lip sync show? She did Channing Tatum's routine from Magic Mike. Like as her lip sync. I hear it's amazing. We I watched two things and I was like, Oh, I get why this is a hit. Did you see what's his cute name doing Janet Jackson's rhythm nation?

No, what's his adorable name? Something, something, something. Uh, Jordan Gordon. Yes, it is. Yes. I guess right. Yes. Matt McCarthy has a joke of the way he just sings. It's him doing rhythm nation as Janet Jackson. Oh my, I have to watch that. It's gorgeous. Jenna Dewan Tatum did her husband's routine from Magic Mike. We are standing in the writer's room. I'm standing behind, you know, like it's not like anyone's facing me. So we're all facing the screen. Yeah. And I started crying because it was such awesome dancing. Oh, dancing is the best. It's so amazing. And she did. And also they kept cutting to Channing Tatum who didn't know that's what she was going to do. And he was freaking out.

He was like dying. And then she pulled him into the routine. But like the acrobatics and the accuracy and she is such a good dancer. And she has like an eight pack. Like her stomach is not so. Oh, it was just, it was like so superior. And I just literally was just kept wiping. And thank God, no one noticed, but I was fully crying. If your body could do those things. I mean, I still think mine can and I can barely like touch the floor when I bend over. I make the loudest groaning sound when I get off the couch every time. But I watch that and go, I could just give me that. We could do that. We should do a dance routine at the LA podcast. You what if we did Michael Jackson's thriller? Oh my God. We could totally do it guys. You have to be there September. Do you know what

date is 11th? No, I don't know. I hope you guys don't forget. We'll be there. I once taught my I once did a show actually Matt McCarthy's wife, Glennis McCarthy has this amazing show that where you do this, like it's called dream role and you do this, you get to perform whatever role you've always wanted to perform. And so I wanted to do dirty dancing, Jennifer, Jennifer Gray, the last dance, taught it to myself and did it alone on the stage. I love it. Did people go batshit bananas? They laughed at me. It was fun. Well, I mean, but that's part of it, right? Yeah, but I really put my all into it. So wait, were you, but you were Jennifer Gray, but by yourself? Yep. Dancing with Patrick's crazy. He wasn't there. That's awesome. So my Instagram somewhere.

LA podcast is September 23rd, 24th, 25th. We have had people ask us what day, but we haven't been told what day we should do every day, probably. Yeah, I don't know how actually works. Yeah, I don't either. But I think if you go onto the website, which is LA podcast, they're on event, like the tickets are on event, right? But if you put in LA podcast 2016, you can get all the information and hopefully the schedule is up or will be up soon. Come watch our choreographed dance. Come watch, I will be dressed like a werewolf and Georgia will be dressed like that girl that he goes to the movies with. I'm scared the whole time. I'm just gonna scare, I'm scared running away from you the whole time. We should both wear the yellow eyes.

Yeah, we should both be Michael Jackson, probably. Let's do double Michael Jackson, because that's probably what he wanted. I'm sure that's what he wanted. I mean, we could also do the way you make me feel, which is where he just follows that girl down the alley. Oh, yeah. And sings at her. She's like, I don't even care that you're about to rate me. And just like, she should be pepper spraying him. Yeah. And there's like a car on fire, right? It couldn't be more dangerous. And then he's like, I'm, I think you're great. I'm gonna sing in your ear down this alley. Yeah, I'm great. Leave me alone. You're gonna have to come to LA podcast to see what dance we do. Yeah, we'll reveal it at the podcast only. Ticket holders.

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Oh, that's it. I think you're first this week. I am first. Skippers. It's time to cut back. Okay, ready and stop skipping now. Now. All right. So two things made me want to do this murder, my favorite murder this week. One of which was I finished an audio book called, uh, we need to talk about Kevin. Oh, which was a book about, it was a book written fictional book written by the mother of a kid who had done a school shooting. And it was the letter to, it was the whole, all the letters were to the father and it was like how they raise this kid and what happened and why he became who he became. And it was really good book. And I just finished that. And then on Sunday morning, the fucking Orlando shootings happened. Yep. And it was,

it's horrific and awful and disgusting. And so I kind of had, was looking at the Facebook page and found this information that I had never known about before that I wanted to talk about. The Cleveland elementary school shooting. Uh-oh. Do you know this one? No. No. Okay. It took place on January 29th, 1979 in San Diego, California. Shots were fired at a public elementary school and the person who was doing the shooting lived in a house across the street from the school and her name was Brenda Spencer. She was 16 years old. Holy shit, Brenda. There is the fucking. Wait, can I ask a question? Is this, I don't like Monday. I don't like Monday. I'm sorry. Fumetown Rants. Yes. Is the, sorry. It's okay. It's fucking interesting. I was just so

proud. It's my favorite. That's okay. But I don't know the story. I only know that a girl did it and a girl said it. Okay. So Brenda Spencer, she lived in a house across the street from the school and she would become known as the mother of schoolyard massacres such as Columbine. And she was like the first school shooter. So on the morning of January 29th, 1979, she began shooting from her home at children who were waiting outside Cleveland Elementary School, which was across from her house. The first person that she killed was the principal Burton Ragh. And he was opening the gates to the school. 53 years old ran outside to help the victims and helped get rid of the children and move them inside. And he got, he got shot in the chest. And then Michael Schuch,

I want to say Schuchur, S-U-C-H-A-R, Schuchur. Or shooter. Schuchur. With 56, he was a school custodian, rushed out to help the dying principal. And he was shot. So those were the two fatalities, but eight children were injured. So then the San Diego police officer Robert Robb was the first thrive at the scene and he got a bullet in his neck. And I've heard conflicting, I read conflicting stories that he, someone moved a commandeer to garbage truck and drove it in front of the school because they could tell where the sniper was. And I heard it was this officer who got shot in the neck, but others are saying he just arrived and got shot in the neck. So I don't, I'm not sure, but I don't want to not give him credit if that's the case. So that's so smart. Yeah, right? Yeah.

Like what a quick action to take that you just block the shooter. Yeah, I would have never thought of that. And putting yourself in harm's way like that. Yeah. That's amazing. Whoever thought of it. Yeah. High five. How pissed off was she when that happened? Yeah. It's like the best move. Yeah. Yeah. So after firing 30 rounds of ammunition, she, Spencer barricaded herself inside her home for like, it was like six hours. So then on a hunch, a reporter from the local paper called the phone number that was associated with the address. And a young girl answered. It was Barbara. The reporter asked if she knew where the shots were coming from. And she said her address. And the reporter pointed that out. She said, Yeah, who do you think's doing the shooting? And

the next question was, why? And she said, I don't like Mondays. This livens up the day. Oh, I weirdly have chills right now. Chills. Because also sorry, but 16 is it's such a rough age anyway. And that answer is so sad. It's, it's someone that gave up like someone like, yeah, it doesn't understand this, the levity of what they're doing. Is that the right word? It's the opposite. But I understand gravity of what you're gravity of what they're doing. That would have sound so much better if I had gotten that right. This is what we're about not sounding good. My favorite murder. She spoke with police negotiators who were telling that telling them that she had shot the, telling those she had, they had made easy targets. And that's why she'd shot them,

which is so fucking creepy. And she was going to come out shooting, but ultimately she surrendered. And the police found beer and whiskey bottles around the house, but she didn't appear to be intoxicated. Oh, so this is probably not the greatest home life, perhaps, right? Well, 14 years into her sentence, she gave us TV interview, which she said that she was high on whiskey, angel, Dustin pot. What? Hold on. That's not that combination is insane. But here's the thing is that at the time of her arrest, her toxicology reports came back clean. So is she lying? Either she's lying or the toxicology reports were incorrect. And keep in mind, this she's saying these things at a parole hearing. So it wouldn't get her anything to lie. No, it wouldn't get

her out. I mean, I, you would think that if she was like, that's her excuse. Yeah. Okay. However, there, but there were those bottles around the house because her dad was like a fucking alcoholic. But sorry, it's just so crazy to, I just think, sure, you drink whiskey and then you smoke pot, angel dust. Yeah, like what insane bikers do San Diego. That's that was like a suburb back then. Yeah. I mean, it's like a chill beach town. And like, I was talking about like, has anyone ever offered you peyote? No, and they have ever offered you angel dust? No, like we could you could barely get pot when I was growing up. That was like, you were so excited when someone's cousin came back from Hawaii or whatever. And it was almost like there was this probably remember dare. Was that

what did you have that then? So dare was, uh, what was it? Dare to keep your kids off drugs, drug addicts really engaged. I know mothers against drug driving. Basically in the 80s and early 90s, there was this like program to keep kids off drugs called dare that I was on drugs, clearly on drugs. And I was in that I was like in the perfect, you know, in the epicenter of that. Thanks, Nancy. Ray and and it made me had to pledge, right? That you wouldn't do drugs. Yeah. And at the time I was like, when I was like in sixth grade, I was like, well, I'm never going to do angel dust, but I kind of want to try pot, you know, but like, I thought that would lead to angel dust. And when I found out like that my parents smoked pot and that like people I knew

smoked pot, it was like, Oh, everything was a lie. So I'm just going to do everything. You know, just say something. Yeah. Like no one gets angel dust is my point. Exactly. It's a crazy unless her father was some kind of like, sure dealer or a biker or like somebody that kind of lived in that fringe life. But when you do angel dust, you go insane and you have superhuman strength and it sounds like something she would have made up because she didn't know. Yes. You know what I mean? It sounds like it. Yeah. It sounds like a very fakey dumb competition. Yeah. Like saying cocaine would have made more sense, but she probably didn't even like know to say that. Although if we refer back to the classic film Friday, there is that part where Chris

Tucker's pot is laced with angel dust and he he ends up in the pigeon coop. Remember he's like freaking out. I mean, it happens like, but, but, but I also don't think you'd be able to shoot a gun very accurately if you were on angel dust. Also, why would someone put angel dust in pot? Like you're just spending more money because they're trying to ruin your Rolling Stones concert. Oh, sure. I don't know. Kitten is going crazy. Okay. Blah, blah, blah. Okay. So, so her parents had separated before this happened and she lived with her father Wallace Spencer in virtual poverty and they slept on a single mattress in the living room floor together. Yeah. Equations later said that Spencer, that she expressed negative attitudes

towards police and I talked about shooting one. Teachers, descriptors, introverted and she started hanging out with other troubled youth and became obsessed with Alice Cooper, which like, yeah, which actually he's like a crazy intellectual. It's like so hard to think about people like using him as an excuse and he's like an incredible intellectual. And also, isn't he super into golf? Like when he doesn't have makeup on, he's just like kind of an old dude with too long hair. And that was like performance art too. Like he wasn't even serious about it. Yeah. But I don't, when people try to say that it's like too bad, you're making the money off of people taking it seriously. So you have to take it seriously because it's a, I've seen Alice Cooper,

like I grew up with Alice Cooper being on TV with blood in the corner of his mouth. Everyone took it seriously. There's nothing performance art about it. It's like you're in a black box theater. Yeah, you can be like just kidding afterwards. Yeah. Okay. I'm really mad at Alice Cooper. I can tell. Is that your father? I hate you, dad. I hate you. I will go to the dance. All right. So in December, which is the month before this all, the shooting happened, a psychiatrist, a psychiatric evaluation was recommended for her and they said that she should go to a mental hospital due to her depressed state. But her father refused to give permission. And they wanted to go to rehab. I said, no, no. Dad says it's fine. Everything's fine.

In three months I'm dead. So is everybody else. I love that song. But so yeah, I do too. For Christmas, so he said no, he wouldn't let her go to rehab. And then for Christmas, he gave her a Ruger 1022 semi-automatic 22 caliber rifle. Sorry for everyone who fucking knows about guns that I just butchered that. Wallace telescope site and 500 rounds of ammunition. She had asked for a radio. Her father gave her that gun. She asked for a radio for her birthday and her dad who had just been told that she should go to a mental hospital because she was depressed. Give her a gun. Well, he's a real piece of work. I mean, some people shouldn't have children. It turns out that's heavy later that I felt like he wanted me to kill myself.

She said also 500 rounds. Yeah, that's I agree. Yeah. In 2001 later, she accused her father of having drunkenly subjected her to beatings and sexual abuse. But he said the allegations were not true. I don't feel good about a single mattress on the floor in the living room. Absolutely not. Spent she was tried as an adult. She finally came out with her gun down came out. She was tried as an adult, pled guilty to two counts of murder and assault with a deadly weapon sentenced to prison for 25 years to life. And then in prison, she was diagnosed as an epileptic. Oh, I have that. I know. And then and then and she received medication while at California Institute for Women in Chino, California, it's your neighborhood, right? Nope. Great.

But then later, here's the fucking kicker during test while she was in custody, was discovered that she had an injury to the temporal lobe of her brain attributed to her accident on her bicycle. Fucking childhood head injury. Send them back. Like we said, send them all back. If your kid hits his head. Oh, you know what? I just had a realization that all of the helmet bullshit that for years I'm like, this is dumb and these helicopter parents are crazy. What if what if they've just wiped out an entire generation of serial killers by by making sure children have helmets on all the time? Definitely. Dude, I bet you're right. That's heavy. I mean, some will slip through just because it was meant to be. You don't even need

a hand injury. They're just like, they're like shit to begin with. They're hell bent. Yeah. Their parents make it sure that they're fucking just terrible. That is a crazy fucking story. I didn't read just like so many serial killers out there. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. All right. At a hearing in 2001, she said that her father beat and sexually abused her. And she submitted a written statement in which she said that her father had begun fondling her when she was nine and sexually assaulted her virtually every night. Oh, which is like why you know, why didn't you come out that earlier? I don't want to doubt her, but it's like that's a hard thing to talk about when you really did these horrible things. Also, she could have just maybe dissociated so that it was this she's

in this world now where she's killing people. It's like everything's a cry for help. And maybe she was on angel dust. Maybe she didn't understand the connection between her father sexually abusing her and her wanting to die and so and kill other people. The rage that she felt. I didn't mean to victim blame. And I totally no, no, no, no, we're just we're just talking about theories. And here's how you here's so the father never admitted to any of this. But but he was visiting her in a juvenile detention facility after her arrest. And he met a girl who resembled Brenda, but was younger her. They went on to have a sexual relationship and he married her. Ew. So clearly he has a fetish for fucking underage girls that look like his daughter. Yeah, he's not against it. Nope,

that's like enough proof. I feel like hell yeah, that it's true. Oh, that's yeah, it was insanely dark. In 2009, the parole board ruled that she would be denied parole and wouldn't be considered for 10 years. So she'll be eligible again in 2019. Okay. But in a 2001 statement, she acknowledged her possible role as the inspiration for later generations of angry kids saying she said quote, with every school shooting, I feel I'm partially responsible. What if they got the idea from what I did? And of course, finally, the song I don't like Mondays written by Bob Geldoff for his band Boomtown Rats was released later that year based on that song. And I just want to go ahead and say that this is everyone listening. This is our new karaoke song. I don't like Mondays. Yeah.

That song I remember in high school finding out that that was about a school girl that did a school shooting and it was just like the most fascinating thing. It changes that song completely. I just assumed it was British, though, since Boomtown Rats and that guy or he's Irish. He's not from here. I think he's Irish. See, he is not from here. But yeah, I just assumed it all happened in the UK. I'll safely say that. Yeah, no. But they were they were playing at the time in San Diego, I think when her trial was going on, they were playing in San Diego. So they kept seeing headlines of her being the I don't like Mondays girl. See, that super bums me out because and maybe this is just a bias because it's a female shooter. It's like like a 16 year old girl

where I just so understand the mindset no matter what. But then fact after fact on top of that is like that girl did not have a chance. Nope. She didn't have a chance. No, she was going. I mean, it's and again, one of those things of like, don't kill people, just kill yourself. That's what we hope for. But she I wish she had had, you know, clearly some people cared about her that they took her to a psychiatrist and that they they put her in like a school for or they put her in with counselors who who were there for troubled youth. They tried. Yeah. And her fucking shitty parents just wouldn't let her have that. Like, what if he had said, okay, and she'd gone to this mental institution? I know, she would have been fine. Also, it's so I just would like to remind

us all of the garbage truck part because I really like that part. What about it? Like hell? Yeah, they probably saved so many lives that day. Seriously. And just kind of like, blocking off the whole thing of like, no, at least you're not doing anymore. Like that's so badass. It's brave and fucking. It's just quick thinking and like sharp problem solving. Totally. I like it. Oh, that's heavy. Yeah, that's fucked up. Right. So that's the Cleveland Elementary School shooting. What's her name again? Brenda Spencer. Brenda Spencer. Honey. Honey. And if you look at photos of her, she's like this kind of like cute little squirrely nerd. She's like a nerdy nerd. Well, I I took it back because of I kind of wanted to do this anyway

because when we talk about things, it's so funny that we fully do this podcast, love it, enjoy it and yet bum ourselves out every week after we talk about our topics. So I was like, how about a little distance and we go back in history a little bit and we don't have to be so present day and so have to feel it so much. So I went all the way back to 1885. So I have no feelings about that. It gives a fuck. Weird outfits and like high neck dresses and shit. Racism. All kinds of isms. The nurse, the deadly nurse Jane Toppin is my person. You may have heard of her. It's okay to laugh at this because it's from the 1850. That's right. Anything before 1900, you can laugh and laugh. She was an Irish immigrant whose mother died of tuberculosis

when she was very young and whose father, a tailor, was a well known alcoholic and eccentric who some say after her mother's death tried to sew his eyelids shut because he was so insane with grief and alcoholism. What does that have to do with anything? It's just painting the picture of where we're even starting with this girl who was a child when this happened. Some articles say it happened. Some say it was a rumor and it was just basically everyone knew this dad was a nut. That's how fucking crazy everything is. He was super crazy yet. It speaks more just to him and his reputation. The crazy tailor up the street. A few years later, that dad drops off. Her name at the time was Honor Kelly. She's six years old and her sister is eight.

The dad drops them off at the Boston Female Asylum, which is a girl's orphanage. Documents from the asylum note that the two girls were, quote, rescued from a very miserable home. So yeah, even if he wasn't crazy enough to do something as totally saw the Saw movie series as sew his own eyelids, it was bad news. After two years at that orphanage, Honor Kelly, if I'm saying her name right, was placed as an indentured servant in the home of Mrs. Anne C. Toppin of Lowell, Massachusetts. So she was like eight or ten. Eight years old. Eight years old. Can you imagine having a little servant? An eight-year-old indentured servant. Can you go get me my fucking, run my bath, eight-year-old? Or probably scrub the

dishes and like lift shit. I mean, they didn't care. This was 1885. Oh, that's so sick. They didn't give a fuck. Yeah, kids were just like little humans. Yeah, this is when they were like, get them in the factory because their little arms can go into the machine. Yeah, it was dark. This is also why I love Charles Dickens because all of his stories include all that like child labor shit from roughly around this time. Yeah, where it was like, we wouldn't know if it weren't for like those stories or be like the last thing that would ever happen to most children these days, at least in America. Right. Kind of. Anyway, so Anora was never officially adopted by the Toppins, but she took their surname and eventually became known as Jane Toppin. Which is so weird that

you're like, I'm not part of the family. I'm just your fucking servant. So I'm taking your last name. Yeah, I'm your lifelong child servant. Living in your house. So in 1885, she began training to be a nurse at Cambridge Hospital. So during her residency, she used her patients as guinea pigs in experiments with morphine and atrophine. So she would basically go into patients who are like on more on a morphine drip. And she would give them atrophine, which I'm pretty sure is like an upper. Oh, so she would play back and forth with sending them out and bringing them back over and over. Let them go to sleep. Yeah, no, she because she basically got sexual, she got aroused sexually from seeing people be brought to the brink of death, and then come back and then

go back. Does that have to do with sex? Well, so I think this might be shedding a light on some fucked up shit that happened to her beforehand somewhere in the past. If there's a book about her, I will read it because she some shit happened. So she would do that to these patients and then get you because she kind of, you know, like wanted to see like how it affected them, but also would get into bed with them and hold them as it was happening. She told police after her arrest that she got a sexual thrill from being near patients when they were being next to patients when they are near death, coming back to life and then dying. So she this is by her own admission that this got her off, which is, you know, everybody's into something. Aren't they though?

So she would get, she would administer the drug and then she'd get into bed with them and hold them close to her as they die. And then this article says that this is rare for female serial killers. They usually kill for material reasons, sexist bullshit, or that the on average, it's not sexual satisfaction. That's that's man's domain, which, you know, and so in a way, I'm proud of Jane because she broke that glass ceiling and did and she got hers. Sorry, that's wrong. So she didn't get caught, I guess, because she was recommended for Massachusetts General Hospital in 1889, which this article says is prestigious. And there she killed a couple more people. And then she was actually killing people, like, like, because it sounds like she was bringing

them back, but certain people, she wasn't, she did, she would bring them back a couple times, but ultimately let them die. And that's when that's what got her off. Okay. So it was like, she would play with it. And that would be like, you know, crazy, but I guess didn't get caught and kind of was able to cover it up. I read a thing about how she kind of messed with the charts. So everything was, you know, it was back then, it was just like, yeah, people die, whatever. And I think no one would, no one would suspect a woman, no one would suspect a nurse, you know. So she goes to Mass General, and then kills more people and then gets fired. So probably like someone was sharp and on it and a little bit like too many people have died under your watch.

So then she went back to Cambridge, but she got dismissed for prescribing opiates recklessly, which is like, how was a nurse prescribing anything? But I guess that's how they did it back then. She sounds fun. She sounds like she parties and she forces other people to party. Sure. To their death, death. Just like a fraternity. So then she, of course, what's her natural next step if she gets fired as a nurse at a hospital? Private nurse, private nursing is exactly right, Georgia. That's right. Killer right here. That's right. So she flourished as a private nurse, despite complaints of petty thefts. So Jane couldn't handle her shit. She had her hands everywhere. She was like, but she's a good nurse. But you know what? She gives me a bath real good.

So then as a private nurse, that's when she really starts her poisoning spree. In 1895, she killed her landlords, which is a great solution. We've all been there. In 1899, she killed her foster sister, Elizabeth, with Strick Nine, which is, I think, a very painful way to go. It's no morphine, atrophine ride. It's no nighty night. It's no nighty night. Good morning. In 1901, she moved in with the Davis family because the elderly patriarch was Alden, Davis, and his wife had died. And so she was there to take care of him in his old age. Well, it turns out she killed his wife. That's why she got the job. Holy shit. So within weeks, she had killed the patriarch of the family, Alden, Davis, and two of his daughters.

Within weeks. Honey, you're being so obvious. Honey, pace yourself. Dude, pace yourself. This is a marathon, not a sprint. Like one per family is what you get. I mean, you do know people catch on to mass murdering an entire family. So after that happened, she moved back to her hometown and began courting her late foster sister, Elizabeth's husband. And so she's like took... I thought you said hoarding. She was hoarding into herself. She was hoarding him. It was all over the house. So... That's shitty. She then kills his sister and then poisons him so she could earn his love by nursing him back to health. For fuck's sake. And then when that didn't work, she poisoned herself out of to try to garner his sympathy. Actually, that's kind of

smart. But it didn't work. Okay. And so he cast her out of the house, which is something people did in the late 1800s. She was cast out. Even though she was sick. Well, she got over it. Yeah. Because she probably gave herself the tiniest little bit of Strychnine. Snicky snack of Strychnine. Just put a little bit on top of her biscuit. So the rest of the Davises who hadn't been terribly murdered in that house ordered a toxicology exam on the youngest daughter that had died. And they found that she had been poisoned. And so they put a police detail on good old Jane Toppin. And on October 26, 1901, she was arrested for murder. And by 1902, she confessed to 31 murders. Holy shit. Yeah, girl. And she's quoted this is one of the reasons that I picked this story.

And it just made me laugh. It kind of makes me like her. There's something about this that I'm like that I'm being a little ridiculous because this victims family, it's like three generations later. So it's like, right? We there's no guilt. No. Angry letter from a Davis. Yeah. How dare you? So she was quoted. She told the cops that her ambition was to quote, to have killed more people, help less people than any other man or woman who ever lived. Wow. It's what she wanted. And she tried her best. What does she know? Like, did she have a reason why? Like, did she think she was helping hopeless people? I don't think I think there's some angel of death nurse types that do think they're helping or like the doctor that I did. Peter Robert, Peter Pinkerton, Pinkerton.

Pinkerton. Woodward. Richard. Richard words. Pink Richard word. Yeah. That guy I think was trying to convince himself it was like if they're a little bit older, take him out before they suffer. Yeah. But he was getting like, early 70 year olds. Yeah. No, he I mean, I guess I was saying he was probably rationalizing it to himself a little bit. But that couldn't have been the real reason. But um, this one, no, she, I think she just got literally got off on helpless people and killing people and and taking advantage of household helpless people, which is the creepiest. Damn, dude, I bet there's got to be something like by the time you're six and you've lived in this fucking depraved fucked up household world and then you move to a fucking school for girls in

Boston. So it's, you know, probably real fucked up. Yeah, you just don't have any empathy anymore. I mean, hit yourself in the head of the swing at that point, because you're done D. Yep. Her sister, her older sister stayed in the, in that orphanage, like a couple of years longer than her. And then basically eventually became a prostitute and died of alcoholism in the gutter. So she got the better of the two lives. She really, she went out and she made a life for herself. But I feel like, yeah, those, those, the Kelly family of the, of the Taylor, the famous crazy Taylor Kelly, they didn't have much of a chance. There was dark Angel's Asha style darkness. Don't date anyone ever like that's don't invite anyone into your home.

Easy for you to say you're married. He could be a fucking serial killer for all I know. What if he was, he's not, he's totally not. He's not. And if he is, what a great episode. I've had a great run. You've had a great life. He gave me everything. You've had some great nightgowns up until the point that he murdered you. He's been so good to you. Yeah. If he murders me without me knowing that it's him that murdered me, then I'm, I die happy. Oh my God, you'll just go out in your sleep. Yeah. Like an axe in the back of your head. Sure. Listen, um, on June 23rd, 1902, no, no, no, this is the end of it. Um, um, she was found not guilty by reason of insanity. Whoa. Uh, at the barn stable county

courthouse, but she was committed for life in taunton insane hospital. And then she died August 17th, 1938. Whoa. So she lived in the mental hospital for quite some time. What would you give to go fucking have a chit chat with her? Just be like, listen, Jane, I know that's not your real name, Jane. She was like, Hey, you want a sneaky snack? No, thanks. No, I brought my home in the Ziploc bag. Just want to know what happened. Did your dad's eye shot with leather shoelaces? I'm adding that part because it's so disgusting. Taylor. So I bet there were clean stitches. I bet I bet he did it real quick and it was only like 12 bucks,

which is 24 bucks in our, in today's standards in the post, uh, in terms of her name, her name's Jane Toppin. Fuck. And I'm sure there's much more. Uh, there's much more to know about her. I really do want to read like a full on book. I'm sorry. I can't give you every, all of the, no, that's a good sum. I feel like there's lots more information to be had. I just don't have it. How pissed are the toppings that she moved in with her? Like, we got to change our fucking name now because this is our legacy. Well, also, yeah. You know what? Too bad. Then maybe don't hire eight year old indentured servants. You get, you deserve all of it and

more. Also, what if something happened to her in that, like, that's where it kicked off. Like, she was like, everything's terrible. Everything's terrible. Okay. Now this orphanage. Okay. Well, at least I have this job as an eight year old and then things really kick off at the Toppin's house. It's like rape city or Seattle or like dark. I mean, what, who hires an eight year old indentured servant? Yeah. You creep, you old rich creeps. Yeah. God damn it. Yeah. Everything is fucked. I don't know. I see that. I don't know. I see the positive. I see the light at the end of the tunnel. She probably lived longer than anyone else did. I also think of like, what if you were laying in the hospital and you're like, you feel terrible. And then you're like, oh yeah,

morphine drip. Yeah. And then you're like, whoa, now I'm on speed. And you're like this hot nurse. Let's pretend she's hot. This hot nurse is laying next to me. Fuck yeah. She actually isn't bad looking. There's a really great picture of her in Wikipedia. And she's actually attractive looking, but there is, she got the kind of like, she got the eyes where you're like, oh, you don't want to be in the bathroom with her at the same time. She's one of those people that, you know, she'd immediately start talking to you real close. Crazy eyes. Can I borrow your mascara? No. No, you can't. Back at three steps back, Jane. Yeah, we're not doing this. We're not best friends immediately. No. And that's not sanitary. That's crazy. That's a good one. I like, I like old ones.

I do too. Sometimes it's a nice break. We should do a couple. We should throw them in there because it's been real depressing lately. I know. Let's do, you know what, do you want to do next week a theme of like really, really old ones? Like, yeah, weirdly from the 1500s or something. Oh, like oldie times? Yeah. Like weird old, like, did you ever see in the name of the Rose with Sean Connery? No. It's a real good movie about, it's Sean Connery and Christian Slater actually. What? Those two people don't belong together. I know. It works. They're monks and they, they go to this creepy, I mean, I don't even know. It could be a much earlier year. I don't know anything. It's like the Dark Ages and they go to this monastery or where priests are. Is it a

monastery? That's, that's nuns. They go to where priests live because they're, these priests keep dying in weird ways and they have to investigate Sean Connery. I think it's during the Spanish Inquisition, whenever that was. I love all that shit. Me too. And you like, the first time I saw it, I was in high school, but I was like, this is fucking fascinating. Cause it was like, it was back when like murder was a little bit normal. Yeah. And you didn't live very long. So it wasn't like you took a ton out of their lives. Right. But there've always been serial killers. Yeah. Let's do, let's do, let's say the 1500s and then do anything around there. Like between 13 and 17. Let's say the 1500s, then get within a 700 year mark of that.

That sounds good. It's all the same. It really, like when is time? At the end of the day. Should we do Matt Dwyer's hometown murder? Okay. Our friend met Dwyer, who we, Georgia and I, on one of our first excursions as friends went to this guy, Matt Dwyer, who is a hilarious standup comic. Yeah. Improvisor, performer from Chicago. We went to his album recording at, what's the name of that bar that he did it at? Bar one of seven. It's closed now. Oh yeah. It closed. Anyway, we were right there in the audience for his album, uh, recording and it just recently was released. Do you know what's the name of this album? Right now. It's something about inside. Yeah. Uh, hold on. Let's see. D, D, D, D dot. Son of a bitch. Hold on. Should I try to find it?

Yeah. It'll be like a race. Okay. I'm looking at his texts. So. Oh, I got it. Wait. I'm still looking. I'm still looking out. Shit. Yeah. Inside looking out by Matt Dwyer. It's on vinyl and iTunes. And is he a special thing? Is that a special on a special thing? Yeah. Awesome. That's the label. Good guy. He has a podcast on Ferrell as well. All right. I haven't listened to this yet either. Okay. So this is his hometown murder story. Yeah. Awesome. Okay. Okay. All right. It's okay. Ready? Hold on. Oops. So here's my hometown murder story. I grew up in a suburb of Chicago called Streamer, Illinois. And, uh, it was kind of, we didn't call it white trash at the time. We called it,

a lot of people, hillbillies. It was kind of very working class and angry. And there was this girl who I didn't know. She was a few years older than me. But she was pretty and very popular. And she went missing. And no one been, you know, in this town, not that kind of stuff happened. And they couldn't find her for like a couple of weeks. And then I think eventually they found her in a, like a field or a swamp. And, um, she'd been murdered and raped. And they couldn't find the killer. And then slowly they realized that, um, it was, she was in the, uh, her parents' child. And they had two adopted sons, uh, the Wright brothers, not the ones you see in the planes, obviously, but, um, one of the brothers and his best friend, uh, forced her out into this field

and they beat and raped her and killed her. And, and, and they couldn't figure out if it was them for a while. I think they suspected it. But, uh, and then, uh, the other brother who didn't kill her, uh, I believe, if I can remember incorrectly, he, he ratted them out because he felt really horrible. Uh, the crazy thing is, uh, my eighth grade, uh, summer, I had to go to summer school because I, I didn't, um, pay attention at school. And I, we would take a bus from my hometown to Elgin, Illinois to go to our summer school classes. And I only had to take one class. And so did he. And then we'd have to wait for the other class to be over. And, um, just before we could take our bus back to our town. So we, and the murderer brother would kind of, we would hang out and

kind of vaguely knew each other, but we had no other friends to hang out with. So we would just like walk around this weird park and talk. And I remember like thinking like he never made eye contact. He just, he had a creepy vibe. And the brother who ended up not to non-murderer brother, he ended up being on the West coast and changing his name. And I don't, um, but the, the appeal, they recently, I think, appealed the, um, the release of the two murders, one, which was their adopted son. That's my murder story. I hope you enjoyed it. Holy shit. A fucking, a fucking, he was forced kind of to be friends with the murderer. Yeah. But that's crazy that they adopted son. Man, I bet you were bummed about that. That adoption is nuts. Totally nuts. So wait,

before, obviously, before he, they found out that he did it, before he even did it. Okay. I think, but he was a creep. Here's the thing. I'm never having children. Well, look, there's a lot to be afraid of kittens. That's for sure. One of them kittens are great. Uh, that's so heavy. Like I would, if I was Matt, I would think about that constantly. Yeah. And the fact that he kind of knew there was something creepy about him, like he wouldn't make eye contact. Right. That's kind of a bad thing. Yeah. And making eye contact with you so hard right now, just so you know that I'm not a murderer. My ex had a hard time keeping eye contact. Really? It used to bum me out, but of course, instead of being like, oh,

I don't like this trait in a person, I'm not going to continue going out with him. I just decided that that meant something bad about me. Uh-huh. Ladies. No. Yeah. He, I'm, he can't look at me. I, I better lose weight or I better do this or that. More interesting. So he'll want to talk. You don't notice that trait or like certain traits until it's not there. Like you don't notice someone is making eye contact until or someone does or doesn't until they fucking don't hardcore. And it's weird. Yeah. Like I don't notice that now I can't stop making eye contact with you. It's like something I can't. Yeah. It's like not a thing you notice that it's a thing until it's happening. Right. Incorrectly. I know. And also that that is such a, uh, it's like,

it's such a primal thing. Looking it into another person's eyes is like, I can talk to you. We are connected. I see you as a human being. Yeah. It's like saying I don't want to be connected to you is how I took it. Or like I can't, not even I don't want to. Like it's not even a thing that crosses my mind. Yeah. I can't. I won't. He didn't even know that he was supposed to be doing that. Probably. Did you ever bring it up? Uh, no, not, not really. You just murdered him and then I've only admission right there. The more we do this podcast, the more I know that I'm absolutely the murderer for sure. That's my, if I'm going to land on any side of it, I mean, because I've the Eric childhood head injury, seizures, fucking, I, you know, it's, you killed

all those cats. I killed all those cats. I wet the bed to this day, all the things that the triangle trifecta, whatever it's called. That's why I started this with you. It's because I knew that this because you're going to pin me in and you called the cops. Yeah. This whole thing has been, this has never gone. This is all for the cops. They play back hours of us being like, anyway, like I don't even know my cat Elvis, my cat. We're arrested for vocal fry. Fine. I'll go down for it. I'm proud. It was all her. See, see you. Well, go to Ferrell audio to listen to all our other, we're so many, there's 20, there's 20 of ours. I thought you were telling people to listen to other podcasts. Oh no, don't fucking, fuck you. Don't listen to anything else. Only

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