My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 217 - Live at the Cobb Energy Performing Arts Centre in Atlanta (2018)

Episode Date: April 9, 2020

Karen and Georgia cover the curse of Lake Lanier and Anjette Donovan Lyles.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Oh my god, it goes to the sky. It goes all the way to the sky up there. Oh my really? Is this open air? Wow. This makes it funny, I was having lunch earlier, and these two sweet girls sent me a cocktail over, and I was like, thank you, I'll see you tonight. Are you going to be the drunk girls in the front?

They're like, no, we're cheap, we bought tickets way up there. Oh hi. And now I get it. Represent. Yeah. There's no need to go broke for a live podcast, that's insane. That can live your life up there. Listen to other podcasts while you're there.

Catch it done. Catch up. We're in Georgia. And my name is Georgia. You got it? The Southern Hospitality, I swear to God. I mean this isn't, we just got here, this is from last night in New Orleans, but okay.

I'm developing a weird stage personality, and she says stuff like that. Okay, girl. No, but we were, we got there, it was nighttime, they didn't have room service, I ordered from a restaurant called Daisy Dukes, God bless it. Just a small pair of jeans, fried. Fried jeans, side okra.

And it's also like, this is what you're not going to be able to wear when you eat this fucking food. I saw that menu. Shit. When there's inside orders, when chili cheese fries is listed inside orders, you know you're in for a fucking treat. You want to, are you getting an entire fried cod?

We'll get some fucking chili cheese fries. Treat yourself. So, I went down to get it, and when I went back into the elevator, a guy walked into the elevator with me, and he was laughing, and this, because he was walking like pig pen in this huge cloud of weed, like, and he gets in the elevator with me,

he goes, man, it smells like weed around here. Which of course made me laugh really hard. So then he saw that I wasn't a narc, and then he did one of my favorite checkouts of all time. He, because he started from the back, he goes, what's up, girl? No face at all. He didn't give a shit.

He didn't care about all this work that I do. Here's what he cared about. You laughed at his joke. I laughed at his dumb fucking joke. And you have a butt. He could easily assume I was high as well. And he was like, I see that butt you got back there, girl! It was hilarious.

So I called the police, and I had him arrested on two counts. But how were the chili cheese fries? Oh my God. There was a strange, everything in New Orleans has a red shit sprinkled on it. And that's not for me. Do you know what I love about the South and places like this?

Is that, because we're from Los Angeles, where like everything is fucking gluten-free and vegan, and you have to ask, is this vegetarian? If you don't want it to be vegetarian, you have to ask and make sure there's fucking meat on it. I need gluten in mine, please. I need gluten, and I need protein in the animal form. But here, everything has meat,

even if it's like, I got cheese and chiladas at lunch, covered in meat sauce. Like that was the best. Like a bolognese on top of some chiladas? Chili corn porn. It was like, you could just see a girl or a guy, you know, either one, in Los Angeles, losing their shit that I didn't say on the menu

that there's meat happening. I didn't realize I was going to be in a room with meat. Excuse me? This building is meat-free. It's my favorite. I love it. You know what? Now that I think about it,

because I got collard greens in my room. Thank you. Yes, I should be applauded for that. Absolutely. I've earned it. And when it came, it honestly looked like a side of ham with some greens in it.

It really did. I'm fucking into it, dude. So much ham hocks in there. When I was at lunch, speaking of lunch, this is a lunch podcast. This is a lunch podcast. If it's anything.

There was a dude, we were at the Spinsner, there was a couple over here that sat down and they were from somewhere where houses are spread apart and they're ranch, I don't know. The country? Yeah.

He, I mean, the look on his face when the woman serving him told they didn't have like Bud Light, Miller Light, Coors Light, any fucking normal beer, silent when she was like, did you want something? Like he was so angry.

Yes. It was pretty amazing. That might have been my dad. Because I swear to God, we've left restaurants if they don't have Budweiser. I swear to God. And then, and then she was like,

we have, he's like, give me a Corona. And she was like, okay, we have Corona on draft or we have Corona extra in the bottle. And he was so mad that he had to answer another fucking question. He literally, she walked away

and she was just like, I don't know what, why do I have to answer 40 questions for a beer? It was my favorite thing ever. Was he bald with a mustache? I swear to God. My dad's here. Oh.

Oh. Oh. Family. Let's get into the family hour. You guys. Family stuff, guys. Stop talking about lunch. Stuff.

And go to dinner. Brunch. Waffle House. Oh, fuck. You guys. Oh, yeah. Crack, you go. This is how LA we are.

You go, oh, we can go there for brunch tomorrow. And I'm like, I don't think they do that. This may have happened here. So I'm probably telling you, and we probably talked it on the podcast, but it's my favorite story to the point where, if you've all heard it already, but there's only five people that haven't,

I think it's worth telling. Did you hear the story about the guy that went to Waffle House one night and when he got in there, everyone was asleep. Everyone that worked there was asleep. So he made his own breakfast. That's the America I want back.

Now we go political. Hey. No. Let's talk about our outfits. Great. You leave. You have to leave. Me?

Yeah. Well, I'm only wearing 1970s and 80s dresses from now on because there's just so much elastic happening in this fucking way. Yes. Yes, girl. Yes. Look at her.

Look at her. Yes. Spin it. Look at her. Manage that office at IBM, girl. Yes. Get that phone tree together. Hey.

Please hold. Sorry. Rolling calls. I can't talk right now. When I wear heels, I want to, I just feel like a little kid and when I put my mom's heels and just want to do like this.

And then I got my never ending story, fucking pendant. So magical. How about you? Well... Turns out, no, no. Do it, please. I hate un-earned clapping.

I have a dress that I brought on this tour that worked out great on the last leg, the Phoenix Vegas leg. Oh, dudes. That was insane. But in between, I washed it. So last night, we were like standing on stage in New Orleans and I was just like, this is shorter.

Luckily, I had these insane quadruple ply Spanx tights on. They were like, they were made of this. It was like wearing this tablecloth as tights. So nothing happened. But as we were getting ready, you know, merely 10 minutes ago, I was like, not putting that dress on again. I just, I can't, it's short enough

so that I just kind of look like a toddler that wandered on stage with makeup on. Talk about like wearing your mom's outfit. Just like, I'm gonna have a dress on. It's a romper. And then, but look how, I don't want these shoes on anymore now. Take them off.

Nah, no. I feel fucking fancy. It's fine. I feel fancy. I do. You're gonna keep them? Yeah. Okay.

For now. What about at some point in the show, you're allowed to stop everything and say, it's time for me to take these shoes off. Yeah. And when you do, someone wins $10,000. Oh my God! I did that at a show before.

I took my shoes off and then halfway through it felt really fucking weird and uncomfortable because I had bare feet on a stage and then I was like, what are the creeps here? And I'm like, this is wrong. Search Georgia hard stark feet. It's a thing. It is a thing.

If I took my shoes off on stage, it would look like a buffalo. I think that's the most accurate. There's a hoofness to my feet. There's a winter untended. I'm always like, oh shit, I gotta bring these somewhere. I gotta get someone to do something.

But I don't care. Well, Steven should do your name. Steven! Nice one. Nice. Steven, that's your new job. He's not here. He's probably listening at home.

Oh! Steven! He does nothing. My cats are not going to take care of themselves. So many photos. Today, Steven and I decided what houses the cats belong to in the Harry Potter world. Sorry.

What's this again? Well, he sent me a photo of the three cats and Dottie had this look in her face and I was like, she's totally a Slytherin. And he was like, yeah. And Elvis is this and Mimi is that. And it's true. You know what I mean?

Elvis is Gryffindor. Yeah. Yeah. Of course he's fucking Gryffindor. Mimi's Hufflepuff. Of course. Like, it's just so obvious when you think, when you know your pets are like, well,

these are the houses they're in. Totally. The feeling I have right now is the feeling that probably most of the younger people in this audience have when I talk about like the Dukes of Hazard or something, where you're just like, I don't really know what any of this is. Yeah.

You didn't read it to your niece? I read the books. She read those herself. She wrote them. Oh, I'm sorry, my niece is JK Rowling. I should have started with that. No, no, I mean, I read the books, but I don't remember the personal qualities that it takes.

Oh. I know Slytherin's evil. Yeah. And Gryffindor is what you want. Not evil, I'm sorry. Devious. Self-efficient. Blonde-teared, slicked back.

What the fuck? I can't remember the quiz. Sorry. He's not, Steven's not here. We already told you that. Yeah, yeah. Told you that. Oh, did we tell you this is my favorite murderer?

Oh, yeah. It's a... That's what we... Thank you. That's what we missed. That's Karen Kilgarov. That's Georgia Hartstark. And we are in Atlanta, Georgia.

And you guys, you have a lot of murders. Choices. Options. There's some cities we go to where we're like, I couldn't find anything. The fuck? Nope, not here. No.

No. It was like, we could have done a week-long run here. We're not. Do you want to sit down? Oh, look at these. What? Is this whole place futuristic? Is this the Starship Enterprise?

Oh, my God. Actually, these chairs go with your dress really good. Do they? Oh, they do. I look like I'm from the 70s future. Right? Like, when I touch this, boop, it like, something happens. Yes, captain.

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where I'll answer your burning questions. Hey, Prime members, listen to the Amazon Music Exclusive Podcast, Killer Psyche Daily, in the Amazon Music app. Download the app today. Oh, I'm first tonight. Oh, are you? Oh, cool. Yeah. Thank you. We've lost all track of who goes when, why.

We tried to make up systems that you don't decide. We try to figure it out. We try to figure out what we should base it on. If it's our experience, if it's your listening experience, none of it tracks. Like, none of it adds up. Well, we always yell at Stephen about it. Yeah, it's always Stephen's fault.

And Stephen's like, I don't know. I don't know the answer. You change the fucking rules every day. I'm trying to read 20,000 emails. And these cats are not going to Instagram themselves. I like in those Instagram stories, there's always Stephen, he's always saying some one weird little thing in the background. You know what I mean?

Elvis, Elvis, Elvis. If you're seeing a cat just sit there like lick its own hand, and then you hear like... A cat lick its own hand. What if a cat just had a hand? One, two, three, four, five. I'm a cat. Here's my hand.

I just talked into the bottle of water. And you know what, I expected it to work. I really sold it. Guys, it's great. Oh shit, we should have brought our headset mics. Oh man. I wonder if those are wireless. Like, if he bought us the kind we could actually use in concert.

I don't think he did. And can we tell you guys something? He hasn't set them up yet. I don't think they work. They're not real. I don't think they're real. I think they're candy. I think he bought them.

We opened them, we loved them, we gave them to him, and he returned them. Oh my god. Steven! Steven! Yes! There is someone here that didn't want to come tonight, but came anyway who has no fucking clue.

Hates our guts. What's happening? Why anyone gives a shit? Who the fuck is Steven? You there. Why are they so mean to him? I mean, you're being mean and you're just yelling, Steven, that's not a show.

Is Steven a cat? You hired a cat to sit your other cat. Dude. The smartest cat. That cat. He can open a bag of cat food, he can pour it. It's like when we were like nine and we got hired to babysit a baby. Yes.

Because that's what happened in the 80s. So anyway, walk that half mile down to the Rutherford's house. Yeah. And take care of an infant. An infant. We're going to go drink for nine hours. See you at Christmas. Okay.

Yeah, shh. Someone real bossy down in the middle. Well, okay. So, in looking up these stories, and Steven did send me, of course, like 20 insane choices where I was like, every single thing I looked at. And then out of the blue, my sister emailed me, no message, no even message in the subject line of the email. It was just this link.

And then I clicked it open and it was this article. And it was an article from Mysterious Universe. Yes. That's a good one. Yeah. So I was like, this is the shit. And it turned out it is. So most of the information I'm about to read you is from this article

from Mysterious Universe that's written by Brett Swancer. And it is about the curse of Lake Lanier. Oh, shit. Is it a, is the curse McMansions? Yes. It's the curse of living in a gorgeous, gorgeous lakeside community. Oh, is it the golf course?

Is the golf course haunted? Yeah. Is that what it is? It's when you are cursed, the curse of Lake Lanier, you have to golf for 90 years straight. Fuck. Yeah. Use golf and golf.

Golf and golf. It's so crazy. I'm into it. So Steven's like, I spent fucking three hours finding murders for you. And you didn't use one of them. That's right. My sister cuts the line and is like, do this. I'm like, okay.

Because she's my older sister and I'm forced to do everything she says. All right. That's right. So I don't know how to tell you guys, but I do have to tell the girl from California. Please. So just 45 minutes north. I forgot a tissue. Oh, do you, does anyone have a tissue for Georgia?

Hopefully in the front row. Oh my God, you're an angel, baby. I forgot mine. Oh, I'll take both. I'll take both. Thank you guys so much. I just have to say that literally seven hands went up in the air. Well, so I'm working on it.

Okay. And I was just, it's just a, it's a heart. Hey, you're not alone. I know. Thank you. Oh God. Okay. Okay.

I guess I have to start again. Sorry. 45 minutes, Nora. Okay. I'm here with you. Atlanta. Okay. Is the jewel of North Georgia.

Is that true? I don't, that's, it said that on a website. Everyone not from there is like, fuck no. If you believe that Coors Light cans are jewels, then yes. Right. Girl. I know Lake life. I know that Lake life.

Oh yeah. You got to be filled to the brim with that Coors Light. Get out on your pontoon boat, do your thing. It's 38,000 acres of water for boating, for swimming. Someone wrote drinking water. What? Makes it sound like you go there to just be like, oh shit, thank God we're here. And then you go home.

Yeah. Drinking water. Ew. No, no, no. Oh. You don't scoop it out right behind the guy that just fucking like swam through. Okay. We zinc on his nose.

Okay. There's also hydroelectric power coming out of there. There's a big dam. Got it. It's an exciting place. I don't know that much about it. I'm really trying to sell it as if I'm an expert. Okay.

And I am in the way that you are when you cut and paste things. Like for instance, it has eight million visitors annually. Wow. Yes. And it's also known to be the deadliest lake in Georgia. No way. Yes. Way.

Ew. Don't go there. Like it's a really easy solution. Now I read, so of course there's this amazing mysterious universe verse article and then there was lots every time that I Googled it. There's one article that I found so fucking funny. I believe it may have been in the Atlanta Journal Constitution, but someone went up there to be like, you know, the curse of Lake Lanier.

And there's a woman who, oh, I thought you said something to me. It was my own voice. Oh shit. It's kicking in. It's the last show. Tonight's the last show. Every time we do a show, we put acid in one of the bottled waters. Can you guys hear me talking?

So the reporter talks to a lady who has a houseboat on the lake and they're talking about everything, all of it. And she says, just because you buy a boat, don't mean you get common sense with it. Fucking truer words. Truer words. So part of the reason it's the deadliest lake in Georgia is because it's the one that's most visited and because they make these speed boats now. So there's fucking people filled with keystone lights that are jamming out.

And then there's like, of course, you know, people trying to swim and families and all this stuff. It's a very bad combination. There was also in the comment section of something they were like, they were talking about, yeah, it's like if you drank a six pack and then just went driving, it's that that's why the numbers are so high. Comparatively to other lakes, but also it's not just that. For this lake was not made by God.

No. No. But by the will of man. And so it is an unnatural lake in every way. God is pissed. He's like, I fucking told you how many lakes she could have. I make the fucking lakes. You don't get to just choose.

I make the lakes. Yes. You don't make the fucking lakes. Yes. Well, Georgia says, yes, we do. Because those little, what look like little islands are actually the peaks of the foothills that used to be in that area that they flooded to make this lake with our houses down there. Yeah.

They still are. Right. Right. Yes. There are ghost underwater ghost towns at the bottom of Lake Lanier. Right. Underwater houses. So your sinkholes are my underwater ghost town.

Is that true? Like, I just want to start crying right now. And then swim through my tears to an underwater ghost town. Okay. Then maybe we should, can we go to the next slide just so Georgia can see? Oh God. Oh God. Not that one.

I want it. Now, I don't think this is from Lake Lanier. I just love it. They were into Spanish style? It was, there's a Mayan temple down there. Oh Georgia, I didn't know you guys were so progressive. But I mean, this is the family you get, right? Definitely.

I had it in there as, I had it on my document for so long, and I was like, God, I have to figure out what that fucking building is. And I would look it up and I would like click on the picture to like bring you to the website. And then it'd be like, sunken things from around the world. I'd be like, no. I think it might be in Mexico. I'm not sure. So, but anyhow.

But picture that as a big red barn. Okay. Right? It's more like that. It was all farms. Yeah, yeah. It was, they had to move 250 families. They had to move 15 business, businesses.

And they were all evacuated, but they left everything there. So they didn't evacuate it and then like, now let's tear all these things down. So they say, if you were able to walk along the lake bottom and not kick up any silt, I don't think it's clear, but you would basically be walking through ghost town. Dream. My dream. A dream of life. They didn't move the houses.

They didn't move any of the buildings. It's all intact. They didn't move the 20 cemeteries that are down there. Oh, no. Wow. They didn't move the cemeteries. They claimed to have moved the bodies. Oh.

What do we have proof? They only moved the heads down. They only moved the heads down. There hasn't been an underwater ghost town around here for 25 years. Okay. 25 years. It's not that long ago. Yeah, I just realized that I've been saying 25 years and it's a short amount of time

for the haunted minor to be referring to something. I've got to kill that character off. No. Please. Never. Okay. So here's why people, here's why there's a lot of legend and a lot of storytelling around this lake because there are people who have almost drowned in the lake who talk

about having felt unseen hands pulling them down under the water. Locals talk of boats capsizing for no reason. Rogue waves kicking up out of nowhere. Don't put your finger in my water. I'm trying to give you the sensation of here's you on a boat. I'm the rogue wave. No. Can I just tell you I've never seen Karen wash her hands before.

I'm a walker. I'm not a washer. Okay. Rogue waves. Rogue waves kicking up out of nowhere. Yeah. Young swimmers drowning who were close to shore in calm conditions. Don't like it.

They don't talk about sobriety. Not to be that way about it. There's an element. Often there's a couple elements left out of ghostly stories. Yeah. For fun. There was actually a really good, somebody took, there's an anecdote in one of these articles about a guy saying that he was sitting on the lake fishing and he was watching a duck

that was just kind of floating by him swimming. And all of a sudden the duck went underwater. Oh no. He didn't stick his head underwater the way ducks do to like, oh, there's the thing I'm going to go dive under. He just got pulled underwater and never came back up. Duck hauntings. That's the most haunted duck in the state of Georgia.

Okay. So near the Beaufort Dam, the water. Yeah, let's give the Beaufort Dam it. The reason you have electricity, I am assuming. I read one, two articles. The Beaufort Dam, the water is over 200 feet deep. The person, I think it was, I'll tell you, it was Dan Brown who was writing for the Gwinnett citizen.

Gwinnett. Gwinnett. Gwinnett. What if there was like seven more options of what that in pronunciation could be? You got it on the first guess. Gweinett? No, I got it on the second guess. So he said, just to make that clear, that's as deep as the Statue of Liberty is tall.

Whoa. Right? I didn't realize 200 was that many. What? Does it ever scare you the idea of like swimming in a really deep place? Yes. For some reason, even though it's like, you know what I mean? Well, in growing up, we went to a place called Blue Lake in California.

And up in Lake County, where I learned all my lake lessons. And it's comparatively tiny lake. It was really small. And we used to, from like the cabin that we used to rent, we would swim down to a place called the Narrows, which was the bar. The only thing there was a bar at the end of the lake, but that was like a crazy swimmer like someone row in a boat next to you and you just see how long you could swim basically. That sounds chill.

But right? Yeah. You can only play clues so many times before you're like, okay, let's swim the entire lake. But a couple of times while I was swimming doing that, you just get this weird feeling, right? Yeah. Okay. So now cut to, that's like when I was a teenager.

Now cut to when I first moved to LA, I was reading a book called Mysterious California. Self-published. And so they list all the places that are like weird or haunted in California. And as I'm reading, flipped to, it says Blue Lake, California. I'm like, what the fuck? Okay. They, it has a Loch Ness monster in it. What?

That the entire town was, they were down where the Narrows bar is, the entire town, which was like 75 people were there for fourth of July, and they had put fireworks out onto like a little, like a float and had it a little bit offshore. And as they were there watching the fireworks go off, it's like a large sea serpent brought its head up and looked at everyone on the shore and swam away. He fucking went like this, double fucking, like, get out of my lake. Everyone off. They were like, keep it down.

My serpent kids are sleeping. But they said there's parts of Blue Lake that can't be measured, and that that's where I got my theory of underground lakes connecting and holding Brontosaurus. You're saying that as if it's like, you know this thing that you say that I believe. You know, I wrote my thesis a couple years ago about how all lakes are connected underground and hold dinosaurs. So what? If it's not true.

I also would like to remind you this, there's might be a couple people in this audience right now who are going insane because there was a movie in 1999, starring Annette Benning and Robert Downey Jr. called In Dreams, do you remember it? And it was about Annette Benning was psychic and she was psychically connecting to a serial killer and also having visions of a sunken underground town. And it was because the things were happening in a sunken underground town. I saw it in 1999, I was on a lot of drugs, but I highly recommended it so bad. And I think also Robert Downey Jr. was also on drugs at the time.

Check it out. Sorry. I should have taken that part off of this page, it's unnecessary. And a thing that is down there for real though, can we skip to the next one is the looper speedway. So there's an entire racetrack that was very popular here in the, you know, 40s, I guess. And it's completely submerged, but there was a really bad drought in 2007, I think. And the water came down and exposed the fucking looper speedway.

Wow. Isn't that crazy? And you know all your favorites used to race on the looper speedway, Eddie Samples and Chester Barron out of Cornelia, and that one is my favorite. Gober Sausage. Or Goober. There's not two O's. Goober is better, but it's spelled Goober.

Sausage no matter what. Right. That's golden. And there's also a racer named, a woman named Sarah Christian, who actually used to win at that racetrack. Fucking shit. Right? That's fun.

That's a fun feminist moment. There also are enormous catfish in this lake. Okay. Now, most lakes have stories of like, we had the biggest catfish, everyone's freaking out. Here's the story for Lake Lanier. There's a chicken truck, a truck that's delivering live chickens, it goes off the road and into the lake.

Oh no. You're free. When the divers go down to see if there's, I don't know, any survivors or check out the wreckage or whatever, the story goes that they see catfish the size of 12-year-old boys in a feeding frenzy swallowing chickens whole. Fuck. Those poor chickens are like, we're ducks now. Yay.

And then it's like catfish. Your feed, baby. Shit, man. I love that. There was also a kind of similar story of divers that had to go down and inspect the dam. And they, when they got down there, they saw catfish the size of Volkswagen's is what they said. What?

And both of those stories ended in the diver who was telling a story going, and I said, I would never go into that lake again, or I'm like, this is the same story with different nouns. But still. Yeah. Page nine. Okay. So one of the big legends and ghost stories about Lake Linear is the lady of the lake.

So in, and this is, this is, I'm just reading you from a mysterious universe because he did it, he did it right. So in April of 1958, a young woman who worked at Riverside Military Academy, her name was Delia Parker Young, and she and her friends, Susie Roberts, are going to go out on the town in Susie's 1954 Ford, and they never come back. So when they investigated, they discover that they, Delia and Susie had visited a gas station that night and left without paying. Ladies, I mean, it's, it's just a thing girls love to do.

The only clue about where they were was a set of skid marks across the road that seemed to suggest that the car had skidded off Linear Bridge and into the lake below, but the divers who were brought into search for them couldn't find the car because it's bad visibility, water's murky, and there's tons and tons of sheared off trees that are on the bottom of the lake. Okay. And the catfish. And the catfish.

Yeah. Who stand guard over anything that falls into the lake. Got it. And they hide it with their arm like this, or like, I haven't seen anything. Probably, maybe over there, by the chicken bones. So for 18 months, they couldn't find the women or the car in the lake, and then a fisherman named C.A. Simpson, uh, he's just fishing one day and the body just rises to the top of the water.

That's not cool. It is not cool. So it was at the body of a young woman and she was missing two toes from the left foot and both hands. It was never ascertained why the body was missing hands or toes or what the cause of death was, and there was no way to identify her, so she was buried in an unmarked grave in the Alta Vista Cemetery, and it was not the fucking catfish. Shut up.

It probably was the catfish. She's on your side, but she'll never let you know. Damn it. I certainly don't want you telling me about my own fucking story that somebody else's. Okay, the body of Susie Roberts and her car are missing despite repeated searches until November of 1990, yes, and they're expanding linear bridge and the construction crews were dredging the bottom of the lake so they could put in the pillars for the bridge and they uncover a rusted hulk of a 1954 Ford inside or the remains of a human body.

These are my other, oh man, like not favorite, you know what I mean? Right. We use that word very loosely on this podcast. Oh, I love those stories so much they break my heart. Why? Because it was gone for years and years. So long. Yeah.

Okay, go on. So the body was decomposed to the point of being unidentifiable, but there were belongings, a purse, rings and a watch so it was conclusively proven to be Susie Roberts. So in the light of this discovery, they realized the other body must have been Delia Parker-Young and they end up burying them side by side and changing her hide stones so it's not unidentified. So these deaths are what spawned the biggest legend of Lake Lanier, the lady of the lake. So people say that they have seen a ghostly young woman dressed in a blue dress missing her hands, walking up and down the length of Lanier Bridge.

Can you imagine? You're just driving along, playing Tom Petty's American Girl. Yes. Right? That's how this scene always starts. Yeah. What's that? Why is she?

You shouldn't walk it in that hole. She see through. She see through. The ghost wears a blue dress, Delia Parker-Young was wearing a blue dress, the night that she disappeared and the wandering lady has no hands. This one's creepier and worse because it's real. That's over. Put it out of your mind.

Now we're doing this. Please. Please keep up, balcony. Oh, they're here. It's fine. Okay. So this is the story of the death of Kelly Nash. So on January 5th, 2015, this just happened, 25-year-old Buford man Kelly Nash went missing

from his home. He'd woken up in the middle of the night, like at four in the morning, he said to his girlfriend, I feel really sick. I think I have to go to the doctor. Then they both went back to sleep. When his girlfriend woke up at 7.30 in the morning, Kelly wasn't there and he hadn't taken his wallet, his ID, or his keys. So when he hadn't come back by that night, his girlfriend called the police and they

discovered that a nine-millimeter pistol was missing from the house, but nothing else was out of place and nothing else was missing. And there was a massive search launched and friends, family, the police, they had cadaver dogs. They searched everywhere. It was a $50,000 reward for him. There was no trace of his whereabouts anywhere. And then a month later, his decomposed body was found by a fisherman.

Please don't let it be C.A. Simpson. God. She is. Damn it. Junior. He had finally gone back out on the lake. Yeah.

After 40 years of like, I can't, it's, okay, this is what's super creepy though. Kelly Nash, uh, was found wearing his pajama pants and the t-shirt that he would ward a bed that night and he had a single gunshot wound in his head, but there were, was no other trauma on the body. No sign of any kind of fight or anything at all. And the crime was never solved and it, no one could figure out why he would get up in the middle of the night, how he ended up there, whether it was suicide or if it was foul play. Scary.

Yeah. And this is the, the last one and it is another unsolved case and it's Hannah true loves murder. So that's the way to heckle is to apologize immediately afterwards. She yelled go bitch, sorry. We'll talk about it later. In August of 2012, a man walking through the woods near linear Lake club apartments found the body of 16 year old Hannah true love who was stabbed to death only hundreds of yards from her home.

Her mother reported her missing that night before when she didn't come back from her friend's house and the police interviewed everybody, her friends, everybody that lived in the apartment complex and no one had seen anything. The only lead that they got was there, there was a man in a silver four door car that had been seen around the apartment complex around the time that Hannah disappeared. And in the days before her death, she had been tweeting things. She tweeted that she thought she had a stalker. She tweeted that she had to get out of this apartment complex.

And then she tweeted so scared. The police say that when they looked into those tweets asked her friends and family about them, they say that it turned out to just be teen teenage drama stuff. I mean, not that I, the policeman in this article that I read, there was a couple who's so dedicated, so dedicated to finding out who killed her. He keeps a PlayStation on his desk because that was the way that she communicated. When I read that, the first of course reaction is like, no, it is not fucking drama. And if somebody tweets that they think they have a stalker, there's a reason for that.

But also, you know, you have to give people the benefit out if they're professionals and they look into something, hopefully. But her father said that she made no mention of being under duress and didn't seem any different in the days before her death. But she lived with her mother at that apartment complex. So maybe he, maybe he didn't know her day to day as well. So the case is still open. The fifth anniversary of her murder, the police, which was last year, last summer in August,

the police once again renewed the search, told everybody, please, because they were saying enough time has passed now where people who may have been covering for someone at the time or knew something that they thought they couldn't say, they could have had a falling out with that person. There's all these things like if, if you know anything at all, there's reward money and they want any information that they can. So they're still looking for it. And they especially want to know if anyone knows anything about the man in the silver

Ford or car. Oh my God. It's scary. And that is the curse and the scariness of Lake Lanier. Oh my God. Yeah. We're never going there. Sorry.

I booked a trip for us. We're staying in an Airbnb. It's underwater. It's quaint as fuck. Wow. That's terrifying. I know. It's crazy.

Places are haunted and I hate it. Okay. Also, wear a life jacket when you go boating. I know it's nerdy, but Jesus Christ. Yeah. You know, I read so many terrible like deaths and children and, you know, it's like, it's like drunk people and families fucking everybody colliding and verging in the worst way. Yeah.

No, stay home, everyone. Again, I have to tell people to stop doing outdoor activities indoor, indoor, it's the best. It's the safest place you can be. Oh my God. It's gonna be fun, okay. And I, okay. So my story is old-timey and it's, it's, it takes place in a place where I know there

was a murder, a murdering meetup today, a big one, Macon, Georgia, we saw the photos of the cupcakes. They looked fucking delicious. Your baseball shirts, they all brought us one. Great job, everybody. There you go. The whole, only like five of them came. The rest are just so drunk.

Ego, you go for me in yellow, really loud. Did you see there was a car full of murdering us on their way here and they got in a hit and run car accident? What? Are they here? They're fine. They're fine. They're fine.

They're fine. They're fine. Yay. Can you just hit that car and fucking drove away? That's awful. Everyone was, I was laughing about it, not realizing that people were, were like, because I know they're fine and I was like, oh my God, no, they're fine. I think they're there.

No, they're, they're here. Yeah, yeah, they're here. Oh. They were sure if they could make it. They all have neck braces on. Yay. True crime is the best. All right.

Macon, Georgia. It's about 85. Okay. Well, let me tell you. This is the story of Ann Jett Lyles, murderous, a murderous. Great. Okay. So Macon, Georgia is about 85 miles south of Atlanta.

Oh, other direction. Mm-hmm. Is it the jewel of the south? It's the heart of Georgia. Oh. Girl. You got the jewels. I got the heart.

Yeah. And together, there's a heart in jewels. I don't know. Yeah, I'm never going to remember. What's her name? That's the one that makes that shitty necklace every year at Christmas. Jacqueline, whatever. This is my heart.

No. My heart. Just one of you. Just one. Just one. Just one person say it. Jane Seymour. Jane Seymour.

Somebody is from the theater over here. Jane Seymour. So, all right, Ann Chet, Donovan, this table is something else. They got this off a school bus. We just made it for one night. Steven, fix the fucking table down there. Tighten the shit down, Steven. Can you please?

So in 1925, she's born reasonably well off in Macon. I think if I were from Georgia, I would say it better. I think you're supposed to be more like chill Macon. You know what I mean? I watched an episode of City Confidential about it. You know, it just sounds drunk as fuck. That guy is Paul Winfield. He's so drunk.

He's so in the town of Macon. Well, you are the steaming nuts. The home of quite a deal. You're like, sir, get a cup of coffee before you record this. Legendary actor. Oh, little Richard is from Macon, Georgia. Oh, hell yeah. A lot of incredible musicians are from there.

Anyway, it's 1925, reasonably well off. She's well educated, well liked. But she has a reputation as getting what she wants through charm and manipulation. We're like, what is the problem? Why is this a problem? You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Get it, girl.

Get it. But she's terrible. Okay. As you'll soon find out. In 1947, she marries a man named Ben Lyles. He had fought in the Army during World War II. And his family owns a family restaurant called Lyles. And so she goes to work at the family restaurant, Anjet.

She turns out to have a real talent in the business. The clientele lover, because she's super social and fun. Everyone adores her. They have two daughters, Marsha, born in 1948, Carla, born in 1951. So it turns out, so professional life, going awesome. She fucking loves working at this diner. Oh, we have a photo of her. Can we see the first photo of Anjet?

Nope. Oh. That's your... She also died in the lake. We didn't have time. Sorry. Oh, I forget. We get stuck into the vlogger.

Sorry. Let's see the next one. This next one is of Hannah, true love. So it's going to be sad. Okay. We're going to go back for a minute. That's Hannah. Oh, cutie.

Okay. Then the next one is of a murderous woman. There she is. Oh. Hey. Good eyebrows. Good eyebrows for the 90s. Okay.

Look at that fucking hair. That's a strong lip. That's a strong lip. What if... Okay. Wait. She's bad? Yeah, we don't like her.

Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. But I do, though. So, home life's not going great. Ben had a hard time in the war. He had a throat, he had picked up a throat infection that turned into rheumatic fever as

it did back then. It was just like, oh, you have a little thing? You're fucked. Dying. Dying. Dying. So it left him unable to work. He was in a lot of pain.

He had a veteran's pension, but he also was really irritable and drank a lot and he gambled. So he got so many debts that he decided to sell the family restaurant in 1951 out of fucking the blue. He didn't tell anyone, including Enjet, sold it for $2,500, which was like not a lot even then and she was like, fuck this shit. Still on her side. So she's fucking pissed off. They argue all the time and so in December of 1951, Ben gets super fucking ill.

The doctors don't know what's wrong with him. They can't figure it out. It wasn't the rheumatic fever and they weren't sure what was wrong with him. He had nosebleeds and convulsions. He had to be hospitalized. He goes into a coma. The doctors think it's encephalitis, but it's too late for any treatment. He dies on January 25th, 1951.

He's out of the picture. That's how that was. Have you ever said that before? Never. Ever. In my life. Save time. Don't end the word picture.

Oh, my God. He's out of the picture. Yes. So with Ben's death, Anjet, she's forced to move out of her house that they lived in back in her home with her parents, with her two daughters. She gets a job working at a new restaurant. She works her ass off for years and saves every penny. So finally in April, 1955, she has enough money to buy back the restaurant.

It's not French. Yes. Don't know why I said that either. It's Lyle's diner. But she's like, fuck this shit. I'm changing the name to Anjet. That's right. So far, we like her, right?

Sure. So you know how he sold it for $2,500? She bought it for $12,000. So she changes the name to Anjet's, and it quickly becomes one of the most popular lunch spots in Macon. The food is typical Southern fare, but people love her friendliness and outgoing personality. And let's see here, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh. Okay.

So she's, she would, it was said that she was a headstrong woman who would stretch the boundaries of acceptable behavior in the small Southern town. Yes. And that, that meant she would like pull her skirt up slightly? Right. Right. Well, she drove flashy cars, dressed in the newest styles, and she was flirtatious. So you know.

Killer. And was rumored to be hooking up with dudes in the community, but there's no evidence of that. So soon her restaurant's fucking jumping. She hires her mother-in-law, Ben's mom, to Julia to work in the restaurant with her. And there's an airport nearby, and so it becomes really, the restaurant becomes popular with pilots. And she meets one of them named Joe Gabbart.

Everyone calls him buddy. They hit it off, they start dating, and in June of 1955, they go off on a holiday, and then they come back and they're like, guess what, we got married. So she's got another husband. Good for her. Yes. She loves marriage up there. Sweet.

Her new marriage seems super happy, and, okay, lots of gossip, and, okay, then everyone's also like, she's kind of into some weird, magic-y, like, voodoo-y things, maybe. I love her. When is the other shoe going to drop? Oh, wait, I forgot to get a story that had murder in it. You're just reading me the script of practical magic, you're just like, oh, that's weird. Steven, what the fuck? She looks exactly like Sandra Bullock.

Okay, so she's, so she would make her friends and relatives come with her to fortune tellers at fairs, and would often, her staff said that she would be in the back of the restaurant lighting colored candles and whispering to them when she thought no one was around. Can you imagine walking in the candle? Isn't that what a lot of people do in church, though? Like, what's the fucking problem? Sorry. Just make those candles white, and that's Catholic Church for you.

Oh, we have a photo of Ann Jett's restaurant. There's another photo of Ann Jett's restaurant, and we can just hang out. Yeah, we'll see you. We'll see you. They're just accessing the file. Here we go, here we go. Look at it. Cute, cute, cute.

Isn't it cute? I do love hanging out diners. I mean, like, it would be super fun to own a diner. Yeah, I do, too. In October, 1955, buddy, her husband, her new husband, goes in the hospital for a minor operation on his wrist, and when he returns home, he develops a rash and fever. Fever gets worse. The rash spreads out of his body.

He's back in the hospital, doctors again, don't know what the fuck is wrong with him. We all know what the fuck is wrong with him, right? It's whisper candles. He's dying of whisper candles. He fucking dies on December 2nd, leaving Ann Jett a widow again, second husband down. This wanted to do an autopsy, but Ann Jett refuses to grant permission saying that Buddy wouldn't have wanted one, which, like, fair enough, I wouldn't either. She's like, it's against my whispering religion.

Within a few months, she had legally changed her name back to Lyles and started dating another pilot and had collected Buddy's pretty hefty life insurance policy that paid out, when it paid out, she bought a house for herself and her daughters and a fancy new car and of course, everyone in Macon was like, something's up with this crazy chick, they all whispered. Tons of whispering in Macon. But apparently she didn't care, which is good for her. Well, sociopaths don't care that much. That's right.

So Julia Lyles, the mother-in-law, moved into the house as well to take care of the daughters while Ann Jett's at work, but the two women didn't really like each other that much. Uh-oh. Oh, my God, 1957, Julia becomes L. Let's see, okay. But then she had vomiting blood and it had to be hospitalized. Ann Jett, though, is a frequent visitor. Everyone praises her because she just, like, is with her at the hospital all the time, brings her food from the restaurant, all this stuff.

What? Oh. Just vats of rat poison with melted cheese on top? Then Julia dies on September 29th, 1957, fucking, that's three people. That's three. Uh-huh. Shortly after Julia's death, Ann Jett is like, oh, by the way, here's Julia's will. That she had always refused to make, and I convinced her to do one.

Yeah. Here it is. No garter and pull it all the way out. You know. So it left a third of her estate to her daughter, Julia's daughter, other son, what? And then a third to Ann Jett and the reigning third to the granddaughters. So that's like two thirds to Ann Jett. Let's add that math up right now.

It fits. And another third to me. So friends have sort of, okay, here's the way it gets a bummer and you'll hate her. So friends start noticing that Ann Jett is being aggressive towards her nine-year-old daughter, Marsha. Uh-oh. See, I was trying, I was wondering, because I was like, are there, are there these Black Widow women who are like weird poisoners who can raise children normally, nope, but then

kill adults? It does. It didn't seem to track, but that's what I was hoping for in my mind. I don't. Okay. Sorry to let you down. I'm gonna let go of that idea. She called her daughter, Marsha, a Lyle's looking son of a bitch, her own fucking daughter

in front of people. Lyle's looking like you look like your father. Yeah. Damn. I know. Fuck. So in March 9, 258, Marsha becomes sick with a cough and complains of a headache. And Jett gives her the traditional country remedy for a fussy child, which sounds like

poison. A spoonful of sugar with a whiskey poured over it, which is like, sign me up. Everyone here is like, my mom wasn't a bad person. Wish my mom would give me that. Do I? No. But it's still, but it makes Marsha vomit. And a few days later, she's hospitalized.

And Jett brought her fruit drinks and tea, but they only seem to make her worse. And it was around now that people are getting very suspicious of and Jett Lyle's. For N. Okay. After three, after a couple of weeks and Jett, while her daughter is in the hospital, begins making funeral arrangements for her while she's still alive. Yes. Somebody should have flagged that one.

She's horrible. And she like takes flowers from the room and is like, oh, we'll use these for the funeral. No. Not allowed. Yeah. No. Yeah. Okay.

Is there like a gate check at a funeral home where they're like, so they'll have the body shipped over tomorrow? No, no, no. Not dead yet. Well, I like the silver casket, like, yeah, did they know to call the police on that or did they know? Fuck. And also she didn't know to not say it.

I don't know. She's gotten away with it three other times. It's really horrible. It's crazy. Nine year old Marsha dies on the 5th of April. Fuck. I know. She's autopsy though.

And the coroner couldn't find any obvious signs for her kidneys failing, but a few days later he receives an anonymous letter, which later turns out to be from someone who worked at the restaurant. And she had been speaking to Ann Jett's. So she said, she had spoke, this person who worked at the restaurant had spoke to Ann Jett's maid. And the maid was like, gosh, we keep running out of ant poison. No.

Fuck. Fuck. Uh-huh. Just over coffee. What are you running out of? Um, saying that it was to deal with the infestation at the restaurant, but the employee's like, there's no fucking rat infestation. Uh-huh.

Yeah, you get shut down for that shit. Yeah. Well, not then. Probably, right? That was back when it was supported. Right. It's like every restaurant has a couple of rats. Come on.

It's good for you. It's protein. A lot of that kind of stuff. The coroner sends a bottle of poison along with samples of Marsha's hair and kidneys to the state lab for investigation and gives Ann Jett a fucking jingle on the phone. Or is it like this back then? No, no, no, no. I think we're in the 50s, aren't we?

We're doing this rotary. Yeah. It's this. It could be on the wall like this. Yeah. Yeah. It's a big like... And then you have it like that, and you're mixing something like this.

It's rat poison. It's the long court, so you can go all the way into the back bedroom if you need to. That's true. And my day, okay, the coroner tells Ann Jett that he's worried that Marsha might have accidentally drunk poison, and Ann Jett comes to see him, I'm sure she runs over with a bottle of ant poison and her younger daughter Karla there. Karla tells the doctor a story about Marsha and her playing doctor, and then she says that she had given her sister, fed her rat poisoning.

And she made her fucking daughter tell this story about how she fed it to her. It was her fault. Yeah. So, then, okay, at this point, Julia, Buddy, and Ben all are examined, because they're like, uh-uh. And all three are autopsyed and show signs of arsenic as does Marsha's autopsy. A month after Marsha's death, Ann Jett, who's 32 now, is arrested and arraigned on four counts of murder.

So, let's take a look at her. I think we have one at the courthouse. She's 32. She's 32. Whoa! How you like those eyebrows? Girl. That's a hard 32, right?

Damn. Look. Listen. Again, with the hair. I have a, and I know this is wrong to say, but I'm feeling a renewed confidence. I'm not kidding. I might wear that dress tomorrow night. I swear to God.

Yes. Is that what happens when you handle arsenic too much? When you have a murderous heart? Girl. In the heart of Georgia? Oh, man. The names of, like, the city confidential and, like, the articles that, like, they, like, you know, murder is served.

It all has to do with the restaurant or whatever. You know what I mean? Like, it's just all ridiculous. Takeout murder. I don't know. It's really ridiculous. It's lovely. Takeout murder.

Can I place an order for murder? I don't know. Yes. Yes. I'll have a side of murder. Would you like some murder on there? Yeah. Sprinkle a little, whatever.

You get it. Could I have my murder on the side? Hold the murder. We could do this for, and it would be equally bad the whole time. Eventually we'd get to a good one, probably. I think so. After, like, 15 more. So she's arrested for...

Murder on the grill. No. No. No. You're only clapping because I yelled it. That's how you get a clap. Did you notice that I very subtly covered up the bottle and you stuck your entire hand inside?

I'm going to put this... It's not that I don't love you. I'm just going to make sure I don't ever touch that again. I'm just kind of a germaphobe. Okay. Okay. But she's only indicted for trial for the murder of Marcia, her daughter. But the arraignment allowed that prosecution could bring in evidence related to the other

three deaths as evidence of her, like, system and what she did. So even though she wasn't getting tried for those, hadn't been convicted for those. I feel like that wouldn't fly today, you know? But fuck it. This chick is a fucking cunt. It turns out she is reading a quote from the judge. It's a different time. Okay.

The newspapers go out of their fucking minds because of the, quote, glamorous, platin-haired widow. What's this? Uh-huh. Yeah. Especially when, okay, so when police root through her house, they discover, quote, voodoo paraphernalia, including candles, written spells, potions, powders, and roots. Like, I don't know, you know, roots into the ground.

You mean these? No. Deep gray roots. So she's into some fucking wicking shit. And her trial starts in October of 1958. Her defense is that she tries to blame it on, oh, that, she tries initially to blame the murder of her two husbands on her mother-in-law. And it says she did it.

Her mother-in-law killed her two husbands? Yeah. Her own son and then her other husband. Yeah. And then the maid, the maid was like, this is not fucking, like the maid was like, uh-uh. Yeah. So basically, her, it was blown to shit. So the jury takes an hour to declare her guilty, recommends against mercy.

Oh. And she sentenced to die in the electric chair for the murder of her daughter. Fuck. Wow. Yeah. I think that's fair. Yeah. But she's eventually granted a stay of execution because they were like, well, we can't, we

can't kill a white woman. It was like, you know what I mean? We can't put a white woman to death. Yeah. So, yeah. But they did start planning her funeral. And so. But she would have been the first white woman executed in George's history.

Wow. But she wasn't. Um, a sanity, that's not sanitary, that sanity commission examines her and they decide that she's schizophrenic. So that means she couldn't be executed. But I feel like they were just like, we don't really want to do this. So she's transferred to the central state hospital. So she's there for the next 18 years.

She becomes well-known to other inmates for telling fortunes with playing cards. And she dies of a heart attack in 1977 at 52 years old. Wow. But they fucking bury her in the same plot where her daughter and her first husband. Yeah. So let's go graffiti that grave. Hey, hey. Uh-uh.

Nope. This is a comedy fictional podcast where no suggestions are real. Stephen. Don't you dare cut that out. Don't you dare. Send the message across the world. And that is murderous and jet. Donovan.

Wow. That was great. Thank you. Yay. Get her out of here. Thank you. Fuck. Um, she did not give a single fuck.

Do we have time? In the bad way. No. She was a terrible person. Do we have time? Can I hit? Do I have time for me to hit myself in the face with a microphone? Okay.

Before, even before we stand up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We need to lay down. Therefore, you're on good. You have to remember that if you come up here to tell your hometown, everyone else in the

audience who didn't get picked is going to hate you. This is crucial. So you better be good. You have to be really good. You have to know the names. Don't be nervous. You can't be nervous. Can't be drunk.

Well, you can be buzzed. You have to be able to follow your own story. Um, what are the other ones? Make a local. That's important. Yeah. In and around. Um, you know, just have fun with it.

Yeah, have fun with it. It's easy. It's no big deal at all. Natural. Fun. All right. I remember. It's Benz.

Hi. Hi, Gina. Hi, Gina. Come on in. Are you going to do it? Are you going to do it? Yeah. I got this.

You got it? I got this. I'm a teacher. I got this. Oh, she's a teacher. She's a teacher. It's Gina, everybody. Gina.

Hi. This is Gina. You got this. Okay. I got this. Sorry. Really quick. Sure.

We're just going to ask you a couple of questions. Okay. Where are you from? I am from South Carolina, but I live in Atlanta now. She's a transplant. It happens all the time. What do you, what do you teach? Um, well, um, I'm not a reading specialist.

So I'm not really a teacher anymore, but I teach reading. So if you have like dyslexia, you help kids learn how to do it. Wow. Nice. Specialized. Yeah. That's how you make that money. Good.

That good money. That education money. That's right. Do you have a second job? Uh, just more teaching. Giving the ACTs on Saturdays. Okay. Tutoring kids.

You're just dedicated. I love it. I just have to say as my sister is a teacher, these are such teacher earrings. I can't even explain it to you. There's a pink cat nose. Yeah. So I don't wear bright pink earrings to match the pink cat nose. That's right.

And I had pink lipstick on earlier. What's your last name? Page. Like a page in a book. Miss Page. Miss Page. I'm going to let you tell your story. Yeah.

Go ahead. Um, so I went to a small women's college. Not the one in Atlanta. The one in Virginia. I'm sorry. Um, but I went to a small women's college in Virginia called Randolph-Macon. And, oh my God, are you serious? Okay.

Not now. Not now. Not now. Not now. We'll talk later. We hate college. So I went to this tiny women's college in Virginia called Randolph-Macon. And in the 70s, there was, so in the 70s there were still curfews.

And when one night at curfew, someone's roommate didn't come back. So they were like, okay, what's going on? Um, like who is, everybody find out where your roommate's been. So this one girl's like, finds out where her roommate's been, nobody can find her, everybody's searching, and they find her body on the boiler in a back building called Martin. In a what? I can't hear anything. I'm sorry.

There's a science building and they find her body on a boiler in the boiler room. Oh. Sorry about you saying that again. No, it's okay. I've told it a million times. It's our legend. So you open up at dinners. So really quick, you guys.

I mean, kinds of, yes. Yes. Um, so they like shut down the campus and it turns out that this woman, she was also the Hellman's mayonnaise heiress, just as an aside. That's not an aside. When you said find her name, I like tried to Google her name. Okay. Cause I was like, oh shit, what is her name?

Marine Hellman, obviously. Who's her patty mayonnaise? Okay. So apparently she had been like, we, our school was surrounded by a red brick wall, and she had like walked off the red brick wall and she was, it was the 70s, so she was wearing clogs. So she's like, she's like clomp, clomp, clompin' down to what was a restaurant now, but it was the post office and so she's like clomp, clomp, clompin' down there and apparently

the sound of it is driving someone crazy. And this guy who had just got out of a mental institution killed her and threw her body on the boiler. And the way they found it is when they had to be like, who's roommate isn't here? Wow. And so whoever's roommate wasn't there was the girl whose roommate was dead. And my first year roommate, her mom went there at the time and they said that they heard like a really loud scream, but they were just like, oh, it's just people joshing around

whatever. No. Women's college. It was not. It was not. Did they catch the guy? Mm-hmm. And he's okay.

Yeah. So. And it was just a one-off because he was mad at clogs. Yeah. He just really, that fashion, he would be really mad right now because they're so bad. Yeah. They are back. Yeah.

They really are. But comfortable, so. I wear them all the time. Me too, dance ghosts. Right? Yeah. So. That was amazing.

Oh my God. Amazing job, you guys. That's my story. Yes. That's how it's done. That's how it's done. Thank you. Can I say something?

Yes. I just, since, I want to say hi to my best friend Kendall. She's not here. Okay. But she's the one who told me about you guys. Oh. Thank you, Kendall. And so that's why I'm here.

Good work. Thanks. Great job. Great job. Thank you. Yay. And none of us in here are ever going to eat mayonnaise the same way again. I'm going to start checking into hotels as the Hellman's mayonnaise eras.

Might want to bump me up to the presidential suite. Well. Oh, we have special guests here tonight. Oh yeah. Atlanta. Have you seen? Did you know? You guys are really into true crime podcasting.

Yeah. In a way, in a way that makes us look really bad. You guys, you actually do research. They're real. You produce it. It's real. It's fucking good. It's important topics.

Very important. So we want to just give a shout out. I'm not sure where they're sitting, but we, we, Laura and Brooke from the fall line are here. Yes. But we stand up. Where are they? We're going to stand up.

Oh, there they are. Stand up, stand up. You can turn the lights up. Can we have the lights up, please? Just so we can say hi to these guys. They're right back. We want everyone to stare. Look at them.

Amazing podcast. You guys are incredible. And also fucking Payne Lindsay is here. Where is he? Where is he? There he is. Oh. Holy shit.

I'm fangirling. I know. It's so fucking cool. So we really respect you guys and it's incredible what you do and we're, we're embarrassed for you that you have to be in the same category as us. So thank you. I bet when they do live shows, it's so quiet. But thank you so much for having us.

Yeah. This was so amazing. Wow. Wow. I know. It's so crazy. So crazy. Listen.

We started this podcast two years ago because George and I had one really long, great conversation about true crime that we enjoyed ourselves and Georgia was like, let's just record it. So it happens in her apartment. Believe it was 900 degrees that day. And two years later, we're fucking here with you guys in Atlanta doing this. So we just want to say how grateful we are for your support, how amazing we think you are for the community that you are building yourselves. All murderinos and the way you guys are joining up and helping each other out and connecting

and making friends is so beautiful to us and amazing. We're just like, we're just fucking around and you guys are doing some amazing work. So we're honored to be a part of it. And so thank you guys so much. It's very, very cool. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. And stay sexy. And jump in. Bye, you guys. And stay sexy and jump in.