My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 23 - Making A Twenty-Thirderer

Episode Date: June 30, 2016

Karen & Georgia focus on their favorite survivor murder stories, featuring an escape from The Chessboard Killer, and the harrowing story of a pregnant woman fighting for her life. Plus a rad listener hometown murder and tons of banter.This episode is brought to you by Fullscreen! Get your free one-month trial today at fullscreen.com/murder!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Fake podcast faces to each other as we were about to introduce this. Oh, welcome to my favorite murder, starring Georgia Hartstark. That's her. Hi. And Karen Kulgarov. Hi. That's me. You're really good at like long pauses.

And so I'm like, am I, is she waiting for me to jump in? You mean I'm good at like putting them in and making you unsure as to what you're supposed to do. But that's us. I like to keep mystery in the relationship. You look tan. Did you do tan? No.

I have a red face because my favorite celebrity was talking to me on Twitter. And so my cheeks got really red and they wouldn't stop being red. Karen, it's like significant. I've never seen you flushed before. I know. That's what it looks like. Holy shit. You don't have to say who it is, but oh my God.

I know. Well, he knows who he is. Because that's why he talks. You get flushed when someone talks to you that you like. Yeah. That's cute. I've never seen you speak to someone you like then. I know.

It doesn't happen that often. You don't like any of our friends. It's just, you know, there's some, there's some good uses for Twitter. That's all I'll say. That's so cute. Aren't I precious? Also, I was, I was driving into the sun essentially. Oh, okay.

I was driving home from work, so that it was a combo thing too, but. I don't think I've ever seen your arms. You took your sweater off because it's 100,000 degrees in my apartment. Yeah, that's right. And your tan is fuck. Well, yeah, I guess I am a little bit. I think this is just from how hot it's been lately. I really never, I don't think I've ever seen you in a short sleeve shirt.

You're adorable freckles. Let's talk about you. You're adorable freckles in your tan. Yeah, I think these part, I mean, like, look at this farmer's tan though. That's hilarious. I gotta get that. I gotta start working on that. That is not a gnarly farmer's tan.

Do not take a picture of this, Steven. Could you imagine? It is pretty sweet. It looks like, it looks like I'm an apple picker professionally. No, it totally does. The farmer's tan that I have going. It totally does. Um, yo, no, it's summer, summer Karen is in full effect right now.

I got Botox today. You did. We're going to go ahead and talk about. Let's get, this is full. Let's just tell all of our secrets. God, I wish I had like, what is it called? Sacked. Uh, any, any kind of shame?

I love it. Secrets. Well, who cares at this point? Everyone gets it. Oh my God. If I cared that people in like, I was trying to hide Botox, that wouldn't be me. It's like lying about your age. Also, every person that lives in this town would have to be hiding it.

Yeah. And you know what else? Half the other people should get Botox because fuck, it's like the best. It's the best. Um, wait, let me put my glasses back on. Okay. You can't tell. It takes like a week for it to work, but you can see like a little bit of a bruise coming

up. Oh, and then what happens? Everything tightens up. Yeah. It doesn't tighten. It just kind of. Yeah. It just, uh, the muscles stop working.

So there's no wrinkles. Oh, it's great. I love it. I don't care how fucking vapid I sound. I don't want it. I'm not vapid. I'm not. It's not vapid.

You're on camera personality. That's kind of shit. You just don't, I mean, if people know, like when you see yourself on camera, it's, it's the physical equivalent of when you hear your voice on an answering machine. It's nightmarish or in a podcast, especially HD on a huge TV. Oh, please. And in, in general too, it makes me feel better about myself. Of course.

Because who fucking cares? And also every single person that you see on television over the age of 12 is filled with Botox. For sure. You know what? Cause it's awesome. It's so, it's so great until they start. What they need to do is they need to develop some kind of a computer program that can just

automatically go in and pull out wrinkles. Yeah. That's what they need to do. But until then it's on the individual performer. Yeah. And it's, oh man, I love it. I don't care. You just love it.

Do you feel like spinning in a circle, like a, like a pretty girl in a dress with an apron on the front? I get carsick really easily. So I think that would be a mistake, but I give money to charity too. It's not like this is my only girl. You're in Hollywood. You're a Hollywood on camera presence. You are a star of the food network.

You are a dessert queen. Thank you. You don't want wrinkles in that shit. No, I don't need it. Although I have them and support them a hundred percent. No. I have like, I have a crevice in my forehead that a while ago I was like, fuck it. I'm going to, I'm going to go with this.

Yeah. Like, um, I mean, gray hair when they're like, I'm just going to let my hair fucking grow gray. I can't do that yet because if I did, I could go completely gray really fast. No, you, I like your dark hair. You don't need it. I need it. Yeah.

I need it. I feel the same way bangs, like I just, they're my comfort. Exactly. This is, I need some dark hair left over from the, my nineties, um, mods, we call it a mod slash goff phase. I would, didn't really ever commit to anything entirely except for a beer, um, but I need the hair. I need some darkness around me at all times.

Things in effect in, um, Bob haircut and a strong lip and a hoop airing and a beer and a, uh, only man and like, yeah, like a lip liner, like lip liner only, no lipstick. Yes. What are we talking about now? I don't know. I just kind of went that way. Hey, I finished the Simpson show, the new, the new Simpsons. And you love it.

So we're talking about the OJ Simpson made an America document 30 for 30 documentary. Unbelievable. What? Did you see the crime scene photos? Nope. Oh my. Okay. So here's what they do.

They, everyone was like the, so for hardcore crime scene photos, like just be prepared. So they showed them and four or five, four. Okay. Then I'm, I'm, I think I'm halfway through four, so I haven't seen the hardcore. Okay. So they show you, they show them and I'm like, Oh, I must be so fucking crazy and desensitized because this is nothing. It was just like, Oh, and then suddenly it's a fucking up close of her neck wound of Nicole

Simpsons. Sorry. Nicole Brown's neck wound. I haven't seen that. Like no warning. And I thought like, Oh, I can, I can see that. Like her sad, sad, crumpled body, his body really kind of did get to me round Goldman man.

It's so sad. I just, you know, he like, he like came upon her being attacked. It's not even like, I always thought that they were there together and OJ freaked out because he thought they were dating. Right. He, he wasn't even there yet when the attack on Nicole started. Oh, they say that in the documentary. That's like proven fact.

It's yeah. She wasn't, she got attacked during the end, fell to the ground and that's when he came in. Oh, and she was just bringing her mom's reading glasses that she had left at the restaurant where he waited tables nightmare and nightmare for that mom. I mean, she would, I mean, oh yeah, cause to have that connection of like, Oh, I needed my glasses back and then they, yeah, totally. Oh yeah.

That bothered me and I keep thinking about him and anyway, it's not good. Yeah. So you should finish it. I'll definitely finish it. I think it's like every time I go home after a day of work where I'm like a little bit wrong out, a little tired, I just want to listen to British people. Oh, I tried it. Speaking of which, what, the show?

It's a reading show. I tried to watch episode two last night and I fell asleep almost immediately and I kept closing my eyes going. Now I don't know what's happening because I'm not looking because I'm not reading, but I love it. I was bork. Four minutes in. Four minutes.

I'm going to try it again and try it some more. Too much reading? No, too like fucking dramatic, like too dramatic, like just too like, you know, like the cute officer is like a cheerio. You can take the body and like take this murder. It's all yours. Bye. And then it's like, but then the body falls apart in half and spoiler alert.

What? Body falls apart. I mean, that was in the first two minutes. No, I know. You know what I mean? I think, um, I hear what you're saying, I accept what you're saying. I think it's interesting though. Like I like that it's like the French female cop who's of course a beautiful young French

actress, but is also playing this borderline autistic, very all business, bitchy, kind of bitchy and like kind of like, I don't care if you're making a joke. I don't care if you're being charming. I'm saying, but I'm saying, I want everyone and I'm saying bitchy and like bitchy, like it's fucking awesome. But it is. I don't feel like what a bitch. No, bitchy.

We like bitchy. Um, I'll, I'm going to try it again. Like I, I pretty much 90% of the time hate every show, like the first 10 minutes. Yeah. I'm like, I hate the show, but cause it's hard to get used to new things. That's true. Speaking of new things, I have a present for you and for me from a listener. Is this our first listener, like viewer mail?

Yeah. I have a listener mail. Don't worry. So if anyone wants to send a shit, you can message me and if you're not insane and have okay grandma, I'll give you our P.O. Box number. Um, so Caroline Abernathy sent us a present Caroline to my P.O. Box.

She's a sweet baby angel. Have you already opened it? I fucking have. And I know she already, she was like, I'm sending you this thing and I'm like, great. Oh, awesome. I'll tell Karen. So first thing I thought of it's full of live moms. I haven't opened it.

It's creepy kaboom and that's how they died. So she, so she can, she sells this at her Etsy shop. It's called her Etsy shop is anime gravy with a capital A. I don't know if that's necessary. Like you have to put that in order. Are you ready for this present? Okay. I'll put my mic down real quick. Okay.

She's on, she's on scrolling a small put. It's to stay sexy, don't get murdered with Elvis and the owl poster. We each have our own. Oh my God. This is gorgeous. I know. So this chick is so for new listeners, I mean, get with the program, but so we always first of all, first of all, let us reprimand you by being for being right.

So this is amazing. Stay sexy. Don't get murdered. Is our catch. The thing we always say. Or catch phrase. No. It's just something we started saying.

My catchphrase is what are you talking about Willis? That's right. I forgot. Okay. And then Elvis, my cat is holding. Holding it. It looks just like him. It looks exactly like him.

And the owl, of course, is the owl theory from the staircase, which is very funny. A lot of people pointed out on the Facebook page, we've never really talked about that on the podcast. It's like something you and I have personally talked about and just referenced. Right. We've mentioned it being a theory. Yeah. But we haven't like discussed it.

If we believe it or not. I think it's like we've discussed how we've discussed it. Right. Essentially. So there's a lot of people who are like, wait, when did they talk about this? It's discussed. Yeah. It is disgusting.

This is amazing. And it's like my, it's like, look, it's the color of my walls too. It's like this like. Yeah, that's weird. Mint green that I'm obsessed with. Beautiful. It's so cute. This is the best.

So you guys can go to anime gravy and you can buy it. I want to tell everyone it's just $10, but I feel like she should up the price right now. So. It's worth more than $10. It's only $25. Caroline Abernathy? Yeah.

That's really cool. Thank you so much for the short. I haven't read the note. Actually. Oh, let's see. Should I read the note? Yes. Dear Karen and Georgia, I'm so happy that you like my drawing.

Thanks for always making me laugh. Then feel dumbed as fuck about all the murders and smile again by asking Elvis if he wants a cookie. I've injured his multiple friends to your podcast. It's the perfect friend filter to see who's cool enough to hang out with murderinos. Nice. You two rock. So fucking hard.

Stay sexy. Don't get murdered, Caroline. Thank you. I love it so much. That's really exciting. I'm going to get it framed. I love it. Now, greedily, the next thing I was immediately going to say is now I want one of those little

key, like those little pendants that say, stay sexy. Don't get murdered. We need to give her a shout out. Let me see here. I think we did once. Yeah. Totally. That's the one who's named Flossie, right?

Or am I? Is that it? Let's, let's. Hey, Stephen, will you look that up for us since you're here? Oh, you guys, this month, this week, we have a sound record, a recording engineer. Right. Remember how we had technical difficulties last week? Stephen?

I'm helping us, the sound not get murdered. Thank you. Stephen Ray Morris, who you know and love from the Facebook group, is helping us because tech diffs last week. We're trying to get up. We're just trying to be professional. You know how we, you know how we strive and aspire to be better every week? I've never felt worse about, like a bit more bummed about not having a belch ready when

you said that. I'm like, you know me, I'm fucking belch. Get one ready and then drop it in as a surprise at some point during the podcast. And it will. Okay. Great. Do you have any housekeeping? Oh, the shirts are so.

Okay. The shirts are done printing. Nice. They're going to the, the, whatever, shipper this week. Nice. I don't know the rest. I mean, I think as long as people know what the schedule is, it'll, it'll help. So they just don't think that they threw $25 into the wind.

The shirts are coming. I'm so, I'm sorry. We'll all get them at the same time. We'll all have a whole short discussion. Right. Totally. We'll all wear them on the same day. Yes.

It's going to be crazy. And also on our Patreon, I'm posting some of the better hometown murders we've been emailed. Just like blog posts for free because they're so good and whatever. So good or a Patreon. Anyways, our Patreon that we still don't want, haven't set up correctly, right? It's set up. We just haven't put any paid content on it yet.

Oh, okay. I don't know. All right. It's like, I don't, we'll do that. We're going to do that. So rich. Don't you need the money? I mean, yeah.

Seriously. I have absolutely no financial worries whatsoever. Ditto. My whole face turns red again. Do you have any housekeeping? I don't think so, except for I got up this morning. I want to say thank you. And yet at the same time, God damn you Facebook page because I got up this morning.

Every morning I wake up like between six, 30 and seven and I have to be at work at 1030. And most of the time I walk in like at 1031 or 1029 because I start drinking coffee and reading that Facebook page and I can't stop. And it's so crazy and it's the hugest time suck. Like I should save it for the evening, but I love getting up and just, I mean, you know, it's just my favorite. I have the opposite. I can't go to sleep until two in the morning.

Because you're on it. I'm just scrolling. It's so good. We're just book ending that thing. It's really fun and, and yeah, so join it if you haven't yet. Oh, I just remembered. So the podcast that I love that I go to sleep to called sleep with me podcast. He gave us a shout out.

He gave me a shout out and gave my favorite murder a shout out. I was listening to it and I'm so sorry. I was fast forwarding in the beginning because he talks about like who's, oh, we have the person who. Oh, let's see. Her name. Is it one of those? Is it one of those people?

Yes, it is. Cool. But I don't know what. I just touched the picture. Did that happen? No. We don't know yet. It's that one.

Oh, okay. Cool. Oh, we're continuing my search. We just have to do a step by step. Thank you. Um, he, I was fast forwarding through the part that I don't care about the beginning. Say everybody's a skipper in some way. I skipped the very beginning, but not the like good stuff.

So, and I hear Georgia H. And as I'm skipping and I was like, wait a second, hey, go back and he was like, he was just like so sweet, he like gives everyone a shout out. So, and he said my favorite M dial M for like, he quit on a sleep podcast. He didn't want to say the word murder, which I love. That's sweet. Yeah. If you guys haven't saw me listen to the sleep with me podcast, it's, it's my new ambient. That's great.

It's so fucking good. That's really. Oh, that's so exciting. Isn't that nice? Oh, you know what? Yeah. We got a shout out and people have talked about it on the dollop. And I just wanted to give people, we already talked about how he called you, Georgina who

was sticking. I don't know if he, he asked me for your email. So he hasn't emailed me yet. Okay. I'm sure he's going to email you along and involved apology. I'm sure it's an apology. But if you like, the dollop is Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds and they tell weekly, I think it's actually bi-weekly.

They go over crazy historical stories from America, Australia, anywhere. So cool. And they're insane. Like there's this one I would start with that's about bathing suits. Like men's bathing suits and the Y that's, you know, the boys and men used to be required to swim naked until like the sixties. No. I swear to God, it's the craziest story where you're like, it's like, anyway, they have

all these. I love fucking stupid. I love stupid historical facts that you just like, wouldn't know. That's the dollop. A hundred percent. Dave basically reads the story. Gareth's never heard the story before. And you don't know what I do.

No. Yes, exactly. And then just like riffs thing. It's really hilarious. It's one of my favorite podcasts. But anyway, so they gave us a shout out. So all these people were like, oh, that's so weird. I love that podcast.

And then so Dave told me, I said, I texted Dave and said, thank you. And then I said, is it okay if I tell them that you were my first comedy boyfriend? Because Dave Anthony and I dated in the 90s. Boyfriend boyfriend? Yeah. He was my boyfriend. He's my first real boyfriend when I lived in San Francisco. Oh my God.

And so I said, is it okay if I tell them you were my first comedy boyfriend? And then he just texted back in all caps. There were others, which was hilarious. So I think people like a little inside, the inside scoop of fun stuff, because people just think that we're all like, I just think it's funny that people are like, that's so weird. My favorite podcast, The Doll Up, gave a shout out to my favorite murder. And it's like, yeah, I've known Dave for almost 30 years.

Well, I feel like the comedy, the comedian people, like you've met them. And I actually asked you before, like, hey, can I give this podcast a shout out? Because I don't know if you hate this comedian, but you might have history with this fucking person. And I'm like, you're going to be pissed that I, so yeah, you know, I mean, you know everyone. Okay. We know who these keychains are made by. They're metal and they're stamped with stay sexy, don't get murdered.

They're amazing. With a little heart at the bottom. Yes. It's by Etsy seller, my heart has plans. Do it. My heart has plans. That's so if you just, I honestly just Googled stay sexy, don't get murdered Etsy. And that was like the first thing and then the cross stitching one that popped up.

Oh my gosh. It comes up. There's some good stuff on there. We're Googleable. Oh, we, I think, um, Ari, uh, or Alex asked us is if it was okay if people posted their Etsy shop links on, on the page. Please. Right.

Please do. 100%. Make that money. Please. If you have, if you, I mean, they do, it does have to be relevant to our podcast though. Right. I mean, I don't have any old crazy yarn doll that you make. Let's not get nuts.

Yeah. Although someone did tweet me a picture that they made of a little Richard Ramirez. Did you see that on the Twitter? That's right. They may have done it. Oh, I think I did. Yeah. Or did, were you on there?

Does they have fucked up teeth? No. That would be so amazing. If she had pushed in little real baby teeth. Oh, Richard. Oh my God. You poor little monster. Those shards of teeth.

That's it. I think that's our housekeeping. All right. Thanks for listening. Bye. No. Bye. There's a whole reason to the podcast.

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You can listen ad free on the Amazon music or Wunderer app. My first this week. Yeah. I think I was first. I think you're right. With the old song beans. Oh, right. So as a last week, we talked, we did a 1500 hundreds murder, which we were both like, that

was a mistake. What I liked is when I read, listen to it, we just, it's just so clearly reading. It was like we were being forced to read book reports in front of our class. That's what it sounded like. We tried to have fun with it, but I mean, you know, okay, so we gave ourselves another, we gave ourselves an I survived theme. And I think from now on, we, let's do a couple more weeks of no theme. No theme.

After this, but I do. I do like it. Once again, did you get painted into a box? No, no, no. I like this one. I think it's cool. And it's something I've never heard of and it's creepy and fucked up and I like it. It's for sure.

But man, I like to go wild. You just like to be yourself and decide what you want to do with the last second. Do I want to do me? You just, you're on your journey. I'm positive that my vocal fry has gotten worse since we started this podcast. You sound a little like you're getting over a thing. You know what's weird? I had a little throaty feeling last night.

Were you getting over, hanging out with me and taking my, and like, I'm over it and getting my vocal fry. It's catching. It's contagious. You know who hates vocal fries? 52 year old single divorce dads. Those are the only people who complain about it. Sounds like you're thinking of someone very specific.

I don't know. No, my dad's. My dad, do you see? He keeps commenting on our shit. Yeah. He's totally into it, isn't he? He keeps writing like, he always writes like, you go girl. He's seriously like, I used to have a blog and I didn't tell them about it.

And then I started getting posts that were like, you go girl. I'm like, that's my fucking dad. I know it. And then one day it was like, so how's your blog? His name's Martin, right? Marty. Marty. Marty was like, how's your blog?

I fucking knew you were, you go girl. He loves you. He's so proud of you. He's so sweet. He's so supportive. My dad heard from, he said, hey, there's a fireman whose daughter and all her friends listened to your murder podcast. Shut up.

I swear to God. And I was like, uh-oh. He texted it to me and he goes, what's it called? And I said my favorite murder and he goes, how come you didn't tell me about it? And I go, because there's a ton of swearing and we talk about murder the whole time. And then he was like, oh, you or something. I was like, I hope to God my father never listens to this. I don't care if mine does.

I bought him, I bought him my favorite murder shirt. Oh, nice. So you see an older man, a distinguished older man walking around New Orleans with my favorite murder shirt on. With two cartoony girls on his shirt. That might be Marty. Marty. Marty.

He's the best. Okay. Sorry. No. We de-realized it. We could do this all day. All right. So my favorite murder, I survived addition, sweet.

So do you know that Alexander Pichunsky Pichunsky Pichunskin hold on a second. You know, when you like right and right and right all day, then you never say it out loud. What the fuck? Oh yeah. Should have practiced that. Yeah. Pish. Pishkin.

Pish-ishkin. Listen, he's Russian. Okay. And they murdered my people. Pushkin. Pushkin. No, I don't know. Pish-ishkin.

Push-ishkin. I think I'm going to go with that. Okay. AKA the chessboard killer. No. Yeah. The chessboard killer. He's called that because he was methodically hunting people and sought to kill one person

for every space on the chessboard. I love this. I've never heard of it. Yeah. I love this already. Russian dude, Russian serial killer. He's also known as the Bitsapark maniac because the Bitsapark in Russia is where he did it. It's a Moscow, Southwest Moscow is where he did a lot of his best work.

Wow. Can I do a high school brag and say I've been to Moscow? Have you? I went on a trip, like one of those package tours in high school. It was called Russia, Poland and the East. Dude, I want to go on that. It was crazy amazing. And it was 1987.

So it was before the wall came down. I heard that. Do you think now that I look 16 because I have Botox, they'll let me pretend I'm in high school and go? Yeah. Oh, my God. That's honestly, like I'm dying to go to like, I want to go to East Berlin, which I know doesn't exist anymore.

But it was crazy. It was crazy. And it, there was all this stuff because it was still, uh, was it still the Soviet Union is that? Yeah. Yeah. Technically. Um, so there's all this old, these old buildings that were just leftover.

It was almost like how I imagine Cuba probably is where it's like the great times just leave it there even though it's this huge empty building that no one's in anymore. It was driving old, the same old cars no one had. And it's like, it was amazing. And there was, they had tables set up. I'm just totally of derailed you, but I'm, oh, I want to talk about this. They had tables set up in the street and you would go up and you would give them, you know, three rubles or whatever.

It was like so cheap. And then you had, you would just pick up a little pre-pored glass of warm Coke and just drink a little, like probably three fingers of Coke and then give them the glass back and they would take it and sterilize it and then pour more Coke in the glass. And it was like a little cart, like card table that was set up. It's like when you're running a marathon except they hand you Coke and you pay for it. Yeah.

So you just stop and have a couple of sips of Coke. That is so weird. And they also had vodka vending machines. Better. I would do that one instead. Yeah. We drank a lot of vodka. We were all allowed to drink.

Yeah. Because the drinking age over there was like 16. It was nuts. Anyway. That sounds incredible. I would kill to go on a grocery store, like I'm obsessed with authentic grocery stores. I would go to that grocery store so hard. Their grocery stores were very sparsely.

Because it's like, this is the toothpaste. There's not a bunch of brands. This is toothpaste, which I'm kind of like, let's do that now. No, wait, no, I'm not a communist or a socialist. No, you're definitely not a socialist, but you are a Bernie bro. Right. And I'm sick of it. Overwhelmed.

I just want everyone to know that's not true. I'm actually a Republican. I'm actually a Trumpster. Is that what they call themselves? Yeah. Trumpsters. Sorry. Okay.

Go ahead. No, I don't even. Well, I'm saying he's asked me anything about Russia. Why did you kill my people? So Pyshishkin, he committed his first murder in 1992. He was a student. College or high school? I don't care.

So he was motivated in part by a macabre competition with like the better known Russian serial killer, Andre Chickaktylo, who's like the creepiest creep, kind of hot creep. No. He's not hot. He's like, he's like older dude. Hot. No, he's in no way. Hot.

A little bit older. Dude. Hot. Doesn't he have a dent in his head? Oh, no, I'm into that. Okay. Sorry. Yeah, you're right.

That's very judgmental. That's my to say. I feel dirty. So wait. Sorry. He didn't know him. He was just like, he knew what he did and was competing with him that way. Yeah.

Which is like, find someone else to compete with, like find out like Olympic athlete. Although Chickatilla was kind of the Olympic athlete of serial killers. I wonder if this Alexander Pyshishkin is pissed that he actually didn't beat him. You know he is. Yeah. So, Boba, Andre was convicted in 92 of killing 53 children and young women over 12 year period. So this guy was like, I'm going to do 64 for a chess board. Quick question.

64 on a chess board? Correct. Yes. Let's just go with it. So okay. Correct. Moving on. Here's a regular fact on my favorite murder.

His mom says that the beginning of his downfall to becoming a crazy person was when he was hit on the head. Send him back. Ding dong. Yeah. He's hit on the head by a swing at age four and I'm like, unless the swing was made of cinder blocks. That's what happened to Richard Ramirez.

He got hit in the head with a swing. Like exactly. A swing? Yes. They're made of like rubber. That's enough. Yeah. I think like in the 70s, 80s.

Do concussions affect children more than they do adults? Probably. I mean like... You're a doctor, right? Yes. Please ask me anything. I love lying. You're a Russian doctor, right?

I think we've established that I love to bullshit. So the answer there is... The thing is that you act like you're right. You're technically right. Yeah. Except until I tell on myself the next episode. Right. And apologize.

So this Pushishkin lured his victims. He mostly was into elderly homeless men, not in a sexual way. He would say to them in this park, hey, do you guys want to get faced on vodka? I'm paraphrasing here. And he would say like, let's go to the grave of my beloved dog that's like deep in the park. And he was actually not... He was actually really loved animals.

He was never and he got hit in the head, but he didn't kill animals. Then they'd go out there and be drinking and he would attack them with a hammer. Oh. Man. That's cool. Just the... That would hurt a lot. Just to like...

Okay. That became his trademark. And then he would... Oh, no. This became his trademark. He would do that and then he would push a vodka bottle into the gaping wounds of their skulls. Oh, no.

It's like when you make a watermelon vodka thing. What is that? You know what I'm talking about when you like poke a hole in a watermelon and then empty a bottle of vodka in there and then it's like... Yeah. He was kind of trying to do one of those. The Fourth of July. Maybe he was a frat boy.

Oh, it's just a pickling that brain. Tom lost it a little bit in the park. Russian frat boys are different than they are here. Oh, yeah. I'd rather have a frat boy from here than a Russian frat boy. I don't know. I don't want to choose. I choose neither.

I didn't know that was a choice. Otherwise, I still would have chosen Americans. Most of his victims were elderly men, but he did kill three women and one child. The body of one of the women was... I don't... Do you want to know that there were tiny stakes hammered into her skull and around her eyes or no? Yeah.

Okay. I mean... Stakes? Tiny stakes. Like... Like not... Like group, like pitching a tent or using... Yeah.

Oh. Not like um-yum-yum stakes. Yeah. Like he said once, for me, life without murder is like life without food for you. I felt like the father of all these people since it was me who opened the door for them into another world. Yeah. That's not true.

They're like, I prefer Marty. I prefer my actual dad, but thanks. Dads aren't supposed to be like that, actually. So okay. So let's get to the survivor. All right? Yes. Fucking badass bitch.

Yeah. Maria Virachiva. Virachiva. She was 19 and three months pregnant, which already you're like, come on, like let me get through this. Yeah. You know? Um, pregnant.

And her... The man she was... Her boyfriend was a friend of this killer. Oh. She was like, date someone else, find better friends. She met him... She ran into him at work. She and her boyfriend had just gotten into a huge fight and so she was pissed off like

hanging out near the metro station and he saw her and was like, uh, and he had been hunting for a victim. And this is in February of 2002. I should have started with that. So he said that most of his male victims, he was able to get them away with alcohol was the thing that they, um, that the reason they would go with him. But for women, he said, quote, women always need to have a financial interest. Fuck you.

You don't know me? Man, I like vodka. I know. I don't need your fucking money. I like dead pets, graves. Yeah. Stupid. Well, cheers over that.

Dick. So he says to her that, that he has several boxes of brand new contraband cameras. Oh yeah. Stashed inside the park. Oh yeah. No, sorry. Women always love cameras. That's really true.

If there's some kind of deal going, like a sales deal or they're like, oh, I have this thing, I'm going to cut you in on it, just say no. Even if it's true, you're still probably going to get arrested. There's, you have to pay for things that you want in this life. When you try to sidestep that fact, you're, you're, you mess with the wrong people. You end up in the forest at a dog's grave, what have you, and then with a vodka bottle in your head. Free money isn't free.

Like just, just go without just, just get a job, buy your own shit, stay out of the forest. Never going to be chill. Get it? That's going to be the quote. Get a job. What was it? Get a job.

Anytime we list anything in threes, we want you to put it on a poster. There was another one. Shit. Karen is full of quotes tonight. I'm full of beans. Sonny beans. Oh my God. Okay.

You've got to get through this. So, all right. So here's what he does. He's like, here's some cameras in here. Come on in with me. And she's like, okay. Don't do that because she was pissed at her boyfriend, you know. It's a great way to rebel.

I've done some stupid shit when I'm like pissed at my boyfriend. Yeah. So he takes her over to where he says he left the camera, which is this well, this like brick well into the like forest ground. And he lifts the man who'll cover off and he's like, hey, take a look inside, dude. And she approaches, he grabs her and shoves her into the well. And she's trying to grasp the edges of the ram of the well and he grabs her by the hair and just like starts smacking her head against the cell, the concrete walls, which is so

weird that they like didn't even kill her before. It was like almost as fun toying with her thing, but she let herself fall. She said, quote, I realized that he would kill me like this. So I let go. It's like, well, which side is better up or down? Yeah. And he yells to her, take a bath there. Can you come up with something better?

Yeah. That's not funny. Yeah. I had hurt terribly, but I wanted to live. So after falling about 30 feet, she Maria lands in a sewage pipe about a foot in diameter with the stream running running through about three feet high. So it's like this sewage line and I might have gotten some of those numbers wrong because guess what?

They were like in meters and shit and I tried to like change them and I was like, how do you land in it? But basically she, it's down a well and then a slightly smaller thing down a well. It's tight. She falls 30 feet about. It's a tight little area. Okay. And she's in like, let's, I don't know, it seemed like, it seemed like waist high, rushing

sewage water, rushing, and it's trying to get her into this like pipe into this other part of the sewage system that she definitely would have drowned in. Luckily, she fucking puts her, her hands to the side and stops herself from going down that pipe. Okay. She removes her jacket and boots real quick. Man, this girl's smart. She was able to plant her feet and hands on the side of the pipe to stop from being swept

away by a shit storm. So gross. I know, man. Like, what a bad day. So she finds another well, like she, I guess she goes through, but it sounds like she was in there for hours and eventually finds an iron ladder running up to the, running up the side, she goes up, what, say it, like someone had shot an iron ladder. Sorry.

Wait, what? She's a sewage thing and then an iron ladder floats by because someone had shot it. Don't make me say it twice. It's a terrible joke. I didn't get it. No. No, like she finds it up the wall. It's like in the wall, so she's like, ladder, it's not shoots and ladders.

You have to edit that part out, it's the worst joke I've ever said, and I had to say it two times. Steven, don't take that note. This stays in. I've added out some shit for you before. This is not going to be one of them. I will just take all the edits I've done for you and put them into one episode and post them.

Can you imagine? That's actually a genius idea. Because it won't make any sense, because contextually. Just random, terrible edits. That's awful things. A lot of the stuff we've said. Donnie's saying someone shat an iron ladder. Please continue.

So she finds this ladder up the wall, not from someone's bowels. I know. I'm kidding. I love it. I love it. That's why you're a comedian. She climbs up it and she's like, well, shit, this is like an 80-something pound manhole cover.

She can't get it open. She's so close. And then she opens it a tiny bit and sees a woman running from it, like leaving. And she's like, well, that was my last chance. She's exhausted from crawling for hours through all the gross fucking sewage. She's like, this is it. I'm dead. But it turns out the woman had heard her screams and heard the manhole cover lift a little

or saw the manhole cover lift a little bit and like fucking ran for help to lift this manhole cover. So she was taken to the hospital. She and her kids survived. Man, I bet. Like, what is that kid's life like today? Well, they could, they may have been somehow inoculated by being in all that shit. So they're like, superhuman, never gets sick.

Yeah. They're like, Marble's like, how do we tell this story of a superhero? Well, let's see, let's see. So she survives. Shit. Okay. Here's the worst part. Well, here's another bad part.

She's reporting the incident to the police and somehow I've heard, I've read a couple different reasons. The police were like, nope, and like ended up making her sign something saying that she herself had accidentally fell fell into the well and that he had nothing to do with it. What? Yeah. Either because she didn't have the correct papers, like a citizen papers or the cop was

bored. It's like, so for some reason they were like, no, we're not going to pursue this. No. Yeah. So he went on to claim dozens of lives after that. Oh, no. Yeah. So right now there's a criminal investigation going into the cop who, you know, okayed that.

I'm sure nothing will happen. He has two other survivors. One was a 14 year old homeless boy who also got thrown down a well in March 2002. He again said he tried to tell the police, but they wouldn't listen to a homeless boy. How are you 14 and homeless Russia? Oh, because that place is a, it's terrible. It's all like, it's either the super rich or the insanely poor, but I, but that also happened in Chikotillo.

When I saw that there was like a made for TV movie where Steven Ray played the cop that was investigating him. And when they got to the, when they realized he had been murdering all these people, they were like, you won't, you won't arrest him. Like it was as if like the Russian authorities were like, we're not admitting that we have this problem. Yeah. And I think that is a way that they dictate the cops have to do stuff.

Sure. If like some woman had been, especially because she knew him too, because she could be like, it was this dude. Yeah. It's like they're saying like, we're not, that's not going to be a problem that we're having. And from a couple of the accounts I read, he like came over to hang out with her boyfriend after that.

Like she had to see him. No, what? He said something like, Hey, you want to go for another walk? Like he fucking taunted her. That's crazy. I know, but it's also weird to have a habit of pushing people down wells. Totally. That's really weird.

It is weird. It's usually it's like, you know, they're into the murder part. Well, it's weird that he went from hitting someone on the head with a hammer. And in addition to that, he liked pushing people down a well. Yeah. It doesn't really mean like you should do one that you should do one and then the other. Yeah. Pick an M.O.

Get your style going. Yeah. And then like with the checker or checkers with the chess like, come on, man, pick one. Yeah. Um, so the murder of Marina, uh, Moscow, Yovia, Molina, Moscow, Lava and 36, who was 36 in the spring of 2006 was his last murder. They actually, um, found her body with a metro ticket in it with his trademark, uh, injuries. And they found a video of him and her from the metro station walking together.

Oh. Yeah. So they caught him. He was arrested June 2006, convicted and 49 murders and three attempted murders. And it seems like he was, he asked to be convicted for 60 murders. Wow. And I'm like, fuck off because he wanted credit for all the murders he had done. Yeah.

He got life in prison with the first 15 years to be spent in solitary confinement. So I'm sure he's going to be 15 years. You can't do that. Where are we Russia, you nutty place 15 years in solitary confinement. Is there even a reason for that? Or it's just pun. It's like, we can't give you the death penalty. So we're just going to do this.

Yeah, I guess so. Oh yeah. Why not kill him 15 years? That's awful. Did you hear recently in California, they passed a law that juveniles can't get more than like two hours of solitary confinement, which I think is, I almost cried when I heard that because it's such an obvious, it's so, it's such an obvious smart thing to do. Yeah.

It makes you think what's happened that made them pass the law. Fuck. Yeah. Fuck. And he and Pashushkin has said that he would have continued killing indefinitely if he hadn't been stopped. I believe it. Yeah.

He's a fucking weirdo. Yeah. I just want to give fucking a shout out to Maria for being such an incredible badass. You know what? Here's the smartest thing she did. Yeah. If you're ever in water, take off anything heavy that you're wearing, jacket, boots, clothes like that.

Interesting. That's what drags you down. Really? Yeah. It makes you super tired when you have to tread water. Huh? It makes you super tired. Like anything like that, boots or anything, pants, take it off.

Very interesting. I never thought about that. Mm-hmm. That's very smart of her. Very. Yeah. Especially when you're in shit water. She's just like, how can you concentrate on that?

Ugh. Maria Vera Chavilla. Which like, you don't find a lot of stuff when you Google her at all. Right. Him, it's like the same shit over and over again. He's gross. There's photos of him. He's a creep.

He's not hot. Like Chickatillo. Shut up. I like him. I like him dented. Physically and emotionally. Dented. Insat now.

Well, mine this week is once again me retelling you an episode, my favorite episode of I Survived. I'm so excited. My favorite crime show. If you're new to this podcast, hi, welcome. My favorite crime show. Can I write them again? You can. Yeah.

Of all I would say as I survived, because it's a beautifully produced, it's television well made. It's a one on one interviews where people speak slightly off camera, purely telling their story of survival with no reenactment, no cheesy actors, no shots of anything. Just the story, which is 1000 times scarier and more upsetting than if you were cutting away to some dumb, like that show made me realize those cutaways in in other like first hand story shows just dead in the effect. Yeah.

Person is sitting there telling you what happened to them face to face to camera. There's no scarier, no realer. I mean, that's it. Honestly, I don't. There's a helicopter. Just a light invasion. Listen, we're in Hollywood. Murder.

Murder. Murder cap. Yeah. I don't. I hate reenactments. They just take you out of it. They're corny. Yeah.

They're not. You cannot. You can't reenact the actual violence of what took place and I mean, there's just, I don't like it. And sometimes on some shows, they're so gratuitous. There's like an extra sound effect and the girls always in a bra. We were like, really? So can we say the exception is a crime to remember?

We love a crime to remember. Yeah. Yeah. That those reenactments are perfectly done. They're gorgeous. Yeah. They're gorgeous. So when I survived, back to my favorite show, well, I should say one of my favorite shows,

but it's all these stories I remember because they're so perfectly told. So this one I loved because I love the girl that tells the story. It happened to her and her name is Sarah Brady. And this happened when she was 26 years old and nine months pregnant, pregnant women. She was. Yeah, that's right. We got weird. And Sarah was apparently overdue.

So she was like waiting to have this baby any moment. Fuck. Can you imagine that? Like her, everything is swollen. Everything's hard. You're doing everything for two. So here's what happens. She's registered at Baby's RS and she gets a call one day from a woman who says her name

is Sarah Brody. What year is this? This is 2004. Okay. So she gets a call, a woman says, uh, my name's Sarah Brody and I got one of your, uh, we're both registered, I guess, at Baby's RS because I got one of your packages. Similar names. Yes.

Shit, man. And so she's like, oh, okay, crazy. I'll come and get it. Yeah. You, you live on my way to work, whatever. So they make this plan. She goes and she picks up the package. She goes into the woman's apartment.

This woman lives in a basement apartment. She said it was a completely fine exchange. They talked a little bit about how they were both nervous to be mothers. Um, they just talked about, you know, whatever. And, uh, we'll call her our Sarah, the good Sarah says that she just got the impression this girl was very young and she seemed kind of alone. So she had a kind of a warmth toward her cause she was like, oh, you know, and we have kind of the same name and they're basically seemed like they were going to have babies right

at the same time. Oh yeah. Uh, thanks see later, great takes the package goes home. So a couple of days later, uh, there's another phone call and it's her again going, I got another package for you. And so when she gets off the phone, she is, uh, I think she's having the baby with her boyfriend there engaged to be married. So her, her fiance or boyfriend's brother is there at their house and she goes, that

girl got another package for me. I have to go get it. And the brother goes, that's weird. I don't, I have a bad feeling about this. Don't go. Holy shit. Really? Yeah.

And she goes, no, no, no, you don't understand. I already met her. Saw her face to face. She's totally normal and fine. Do you think he's a murderer now? Oh, he could be. I don't think a normal person like every situation I'm in, I'm like, is that going to be a murdery situation?

Right. He had his vibe out. Yeah. Cause he was like, I don't like the sound of this basically said to her and she was like, don't be crazy. A murdery, no, by the way, is just basically someone like us that we call that someone on Facebook coined is obsessed with murder. Yeah.

Okay. Is that, was that for the first time person that you attacked earlier? I'm just trying to be nice to them at this point because they're like, I know they don't like me to like, not on my side. They're not voting for my murder. We vote on this podcast. By the way. We voted the end.

Yeah. See who won. Yeah. Oh God, I hope not. Um, so anyway, she's like, don't be crazy. So the next day she goes back over there. Well, this time she says it's a little, the feeling is a little bit different. Just a little, there's a little tension in there.

So she's like, great. You know, here's the package and she's like, I want you to come back here and come and look at this thing. And she's like, I really have to go. I have to, I have to pick up my son from school. I have things I have to do and, uh, and she, it was like, she basically kept trying to continue the conversation a little longer than Sarah felt comfortable. You know, it was all that, that kind of vibe.

And she said, but she just was trying to be polite. So she wanted to leave. You guys never be nice. Yeah. She wanted to leave, but she's was kept airing on the side of politeness. So at one point she was like, she wanted to show her the nursery. She wanted to, da, da, da. And then, but finally Sarah was like, look, I have to pick up my son from school.

I have to go. And then she went into labor pains. Like she said she was having labor pains. Good Sarah, bad Sarah. Bad Sarah says she's having labor pains. So she starts screaming. Like a lunatic and good. And she pulls good Sarah into the bathroom.

And that is, that is when Sarah said, she looked at her face and her face was the face of a completely different person. Like it was crazy, wild eyes, super scary. And then all of a sudden like a light switch, she stops screaming and said, Oh, I guess that's over. Oh my God. And so our Sarah is super weirded out and is like, Oh right. I, if you're okay, I have to go.

And she's like, yeah, yeah, just hold on one second. I just need to go get this thing. So she goes back into the back of the apartment, bad Sarah does. Good Sarah is coming out. She looks, she kind of like looks into a room and she said there was a people magazine cover that was framed and whoever the celebrity was in the picture, she had scratched their face out. And so she was like, all of a sudden I was like, this is wrong.

This is bad news. She had framed a photo of a celebrity that she had scratched their face out. Yes. I can't remember here. Just quick side note. You can't watch I survived unless you sign up through your cable, cable subscription, like to watch it on lifetime because they're on lifetime now. And I tried to do it like 20 times so I could just get the word for word of this middle

part of the story. I like it better when you tell it. Okay. Well, but I just wanted to get this detail of like, because I think she said it was either Sarah Jessica Parker or like she says, let's say Brangelina and the Angelina part of it is fucking scratched. You can get the details. If you watch it's season two, episode 10, I just couldn't access it through my laptop

anyhow. Yeah. She's got the bad chills. She's freaking out. So she's like, I got to get out of here. She also then see some paperwork with the name like a bill or something with the name Katie Smith on it. So she's like, this isn't good.

So she goes and she's like, I really have to leave and don't say that just fucking go Sarah says, okay, but can can I take, can I get a hug? And of course she wants to say no, but she feels like she has to say yes for some strange reason. Don't let people touch you if you're not comfortable with it. She goes in for the hug and when they come out of the hug, bad Sarah raises up a huge kitchen knife and tries to stab her. Our Sarah puts her hand up blocks, blocks it and grabs the knife.

No, no, no, no, no, I just heard the shit out of me. Me. Oh, no. Has to grab the knife, knocks it away. The knife goes on the ground. Our Sarah grabs the door, runs out, runs up the stairs, is screaming and running in this apartment building, gets to the front door of the apartment building, grabs it, tries to unlock it.

Bad Sarah is right behind her, grabs her by the hair, drags her screaming, kicking and screaming back downstairs, back down to the basement apartment. Oh my God. This is like. No one in the apartment building hears or comes out or does anything. Oh my God. She gets dragged back into the apartment. I don't think I can deal with this one.

You got to hang in here with me. Okay. Because remember the name of the show? I know. I survive. Okay. Sarah's the one telling us this story. She gets pulled back into the apartment.

Oh, also the first, this reminds me, the first time she went there, when she walked in the front, the door the first time when she was like, it was fine, no big deal. She did remember, oh yeah, she did lock the door after me when I walked in. I do that though. You do. All right. So maybe we want to hold that one again. Still.

I get why that would be creepy. I know. It's just weird. I do that for friends, not for people I don't know. And also they live in Fort Mitchell, Kentucky, a tiny town apparently, according to what I read. Yeah. So it's not, you know.

It's not. And then I give out my address. But, but so, so she pulls her back in. And now they're, now she knows she's in a fight for her life. So she's like, I got to protect my baby and I got to stay alive. So they start wrestling and they go over the couch. They hit the coffee table. They're wrestling, wrestling, hitting each other.

The whole thing. And finally, good Sarah grabs the knife stabs her three times. Holy shit. Yeah. Is this girl's trying to stab her to death? I thought this was going to be, it takes the baby case. Well. So Sarah staggers upstairs, covered in blood with her own, good Sarah, with her own, her

hands are completely slashed. She gets outside and like, gets across the street and is like laying on the sidewalk or the, you know, the ditch or whatever. She got as far away as she could. And then she basically was out the cops show up and find her there. Then they go down to the basement apartment and find this girl whose real name is Katie Smith dead. Holy.

So they're holding. Yeah. Sarah Brady. Sure. Are Sarah. Yeah. Holding her. You just murdered this girl.

This friend of yours. Yeah. And she's like, no, no, no, no. So and they're like, you just murdered a pregnant woman. So will they go in and they search her apartment? She is not really pregnant. No. It was a false belly.

Of course. She's never been pregnant. She's 22 years old. She's got the full nursery set up. She's got all the stuff, but then in another room, she's got all kinds of OBG at YN equipment. Oh my God. Including, sorry, including, and they uncovered an obstetrics kit, obstetrics kit equipped with gloves and surgical scissors in Smith's apartment.

Holy shit. And they finally put it together that Katie Smith was planning on stabbing Sarah Brady and cutting her fetus out of her body. So this is how I thought it was going in and I wanted to cry. That's what she was intending to do. She had, this girl, Katie Smith had told everyone in her family and all her neighbors that she was pregnant with twins. She was showing people a sonogram of twins.

She had everybody convinced. And now she was at the quote unquote nine month period and she had to get a baby. And apparently this girl, the bad Katie was obsessed with pregnancy from her teenage years. So this had been, she had been a little off or whatever and always had a thing about wanting babies and having babies in this whole thing. So Sarah Brady, the cops bring her in and once they discover all this other stuff, they're like, Oh, she was trying to kill you. And she's like, yeah, that's what I was telling you.

Like we're not friends. I don't know that girl. Yeah. This wasn't something of two pregnant women were pissed at each other. This woman tried to kill me. And so even though she got brought in and questioned, she was cleared of all, she was never charged with anything. She was cleared of all suspicious.

Yeah. Nine months pregnant and she fucking beat the shit. And she fucking survived. And then they show, this is why I love her. Because first of all, when you watch this episode of I survived, she's like every girl you went to high school with, she's, she's like exactly how you picture. She's just cute and young and she tells a story. Like, then she tried to stab me.

Like you, she's like a normal human being. She's the, she's, it's just like, you know, I totally feel like I've met her before. And then they show a picture of her with her little daughter, the baby that she has who's completely happy and healthy. And her whole thing is like this had to happen. I, I now know what I'm made of. I'm like, this is what motherhood does. This is the power of women that there was no way I was going to let her hurt my child.

And it is the most, you just adore her at the end of this episode. And she, and she says like, I wish that that girl wasn't so sick, but I did what I had to do and I, you know, got therapy or whatever. But I, this is what I had to do. I wouldn't have done it if she, you know, hadn't attacked me. I just got butterflies in my womb for like the first time in like years. Yeah. That's the power of motherhood.

That's the power of my storytelling on your motherhood. That, Karen, can I say that was a fucking great storytelling. Did you like that one? Like you, you put, that was a good one. That was one of the best story tellings that we've had. Of my life? No. Now you've done better than that.

I can't recommend I survived enough because of your story. Stories become your story. Yeah. No, no, no. I'm watching it now. I've told that one a bunch of times. That is crazy. It's my favorite.

It's my favorite. She was also on Oprah this girl. No. Good for her. What can, oh my God, tell me about, is it the brother-in-law? Uh-huh. Oh, I don't know. He just got to the cop station.

I was like, told you so. I fucking told you, Sarah. What did I say? You're just screaming that into her face. You fucking idiot. She's crying with her hands all bandaged. What? How bad would he have felt if she had actually gotten killed or whatever?

Oh my God. I told her so. But also, like, that's the thing is he said, I have a bad feeling, just let us go over there with you. And she was like, no, no, no. That's another thing is like, if somebody else just says, well, I'll just go with you. Yeah. What's the harm?

That's the big deal. Let them go with you. Let's not, let's all make a pact, everyone listening, to not go in anyone's house that we don't know ever, even if it seems innocent. Really like a party or something? What you're saying is always take a buddy. Always take a buddy. Like, don't be like, oh, come on, like, come in.

I have, you know, let me grab the letter that I was going to write. No, no one has a letter for you. No, that's a lie. So you have allergies. Just say, oh, I'm sorry, I, I, I'm really sick. You can throw out any kind of period reference people let you get out of anything like the 1700s, the 18 any period at all. Oh my God.

I'm so sorry. No, I love a good pun. Uh, my mom used to do a thing where she's like, you can blame it on me. If you don't want to do like this thing, just say your mom will let you. Yeah. You're Karen and Georgia right now are telling you you can blame it on mom or your mom. Yeah. Say my friend Karen will get really mad.

Yeah. And it's probably true. Yeah. Because I have a serious temper. I'm sorry if I come to that thing with you, my friend Karen, and just point over your, over your shoulder with your thumb, like I'm nearby. Like a vague point. Yeah.

Yeah. A vague reference to you. No. Karen's in the car. Yeah. But you could just be listening to the podcast. Karen's in the car. That's right.

We're always with you and we're always mad about something. Oh, that was so good. Tell me her name again. Sarah Brady. Sarah Brady. Badass. Williams, Kentucky. Don't fuck with Sarah Brady.

Don't fuck with any, any of her type. No. Yeah. No. It's good stuff. So good. You got to watch that episode because the way she tells the story of fighting this girl off is nuts.

She looks like, she looks like the girl that would sit next to you in a home room telling a story about fighting off a knife attach. Jesus. And it's always like, you think of yourself as like, I, I have black hair and I would kick this person's ass. And then it's like, nope, it's the little fucking tiny, cute one. It's always a little tiny, cute one. It's those, it's the ones you don't expect.

Yeah. Well, also imagine like a huge kitchen knife, somebody even jokingly raising it up above your head. You'd just be like, what is happening? Yeah. I certainly wouldn't catch it with my hands. Yeah. Really.

I have a harder time with that than. It's so awful. That is lots of those stories. Oh my God. I really have an issue. Yeah. I really can't. It's gross.

Even. Defensive ones, man. Horrible. Do you want to hear a home town or home towner? Yes. I got one. All right. You know, so some, I'm not going to say this because some people are going to send it to

me. There's a different email address. Some people send it to me and then I know you haven't read it. So sometimes I'll read it, but I don't want people sending it to my email address because it's a lot. Yeah. Because I have anxiety and stress. Okay.

There's plenty of ways to get ahold of us like at myfavoritmurder at gmail.com. Yeah. We should say that. My favorite murder at Gmail. Yeah. Send your hometown murders there. Totally. So many good ones.

All right. So this is from Paula. I was 10 years old and it was 1990. Hey. What's your age? Hey, how are you? My brother was graduating from Hickman County High School that year. Hickman County is a rural Tennessee town where maybe someone shoots up the trailer park because

someone cheats. And then it says in parentheses, maybe it was my cousin's husband. What's her name again? Paula. Paula. But in the spring of 1990, the high school was still conducting a type of pre-graduation religious ceremony called baccalaureate. Baccalaureate.

Do you know what that is? We had that too. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. I barely graduated high school. No, that's a Catholic thing. Okay.

It was supposed to be held on Sunday afternoon after church with the graduates, usually around 150 kids and their immediate families and attendants. Well, all of us were at church that morning. The school science teacher was turning the school into one giant bomb that would have went off during the ceremony. The school assistant principal, Mr. Ron Motherfuckin Wallace, that's what the motherfuckin is for me because Mr. Ron Wallace had a daughter that was graduating, so he came in early to make sure everything would run smoothly.

He apparently startled the science teacher, Donald Givens, what's his name, Donald shot and killed him. And since everything wasn't ready yet, parentheses, he had slowly, he had it set to slowly leak gas so that it would be an explosive, be an explosive level during the ceremony. Holy shit, that's some fucking Walter White shit. He panicked and just set things on fire. So Mr. Wallace being murdered saved hundreds of lives. The FBI did say that everything was act, was actually set up correctly and it would have

blown if his plan had been carried out. Myself and the, and my entire family would have been casualties. It's such a weird event for me to reflect almost 30 years later. Oh God, is it 35? When I think of everything in my life since then, it was a national headline at the time, though being, although being when it was, it's hard now to find good info on what, why exactly he did it. Mostly just town gossipy reasons at this point.

I bet he hated those kids. Oh my God, yeah. So much. He was, what is he, the science teacher? Yeah. Is that what he said? Man, those little shits. Insane.

How crazy is that? I feel like I've never heard a story of a teacher that tried to kill everybody at once. No, he was pissed. That's amazing. And that's actually 150 kids. That's a lot of kids. Yeah. It's not a small school.

It's not like 50 kids or whatever. Yeah. Fuck Paula. Paula, that was good. Paula, that was incredible. That was a near miss. And guess what? It's another survivor story.

Oh my God. Kind of accidentally, but. I didn't even do that on purpose. Look at us. Look at us. We're getting a podcasting. And also look who came in the room. He's ready for his close-up.

Elvis knows when we're wrapping up and walks in and sits on the couch waiting for his part. He starts salivating when he hears us get sad and be like, how do we wrap this up? Mr. Press. He's like, oh, this is, it's time for my time. Every time he hears the tone go down, he's like, ah, yes. Oh yeah. You know what that means. Every time I stop going, oh my God, at your stories.

Can I say what I say? You want to say it this year? This year? Where are we? We have to, first. Oh. Oh yeah. Wait.

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That's really nice. Oh cool. Thanks everybody. Thank you guys. Love you. Tell a friend about it. Or your Uber driver. Stay sexy.

And don't get murdered. Elvis, do you want a cookie? You want a cookie? Cookies? Cookies? Cookies. Oh, he's confused. Elvis, what if I give you cookie?

Elvis, don't make this part of the edited version of our podcast. We can't make eye contact with you. Because he's cross-eyed and he can't. Elvis, do you want a cookie? God. Do you want a cookie? Do you want a cookie? Good boy.

Don't get murdered, you guys. Bye. Bye.