My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 234 - Diane Steele: The Q&A

Episode Date: August 6, 2020

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Welcome. Welcome to my favorite murder. The podcast. You, have you heard of it? It's, um, these two girls, I don't really know what they do. It's, how are they? Who do they think they are? Who do they think they are?

Hey, this is a special episode. We're going to do a Q and A. Are you getting like a summertime vibe from us? Because it's real. Yeah. It's a summer. Yeah. Well, it's, it feels like lazy days of summer.

Like when we thought, oh yeah, we haven't done a Q and A like in a very, maybe in a year. And then when I realized that was an option, it was as if I was freed out of the last day of school onto summer vacation. That's what it felt like. For some reason, a Q and A makes me almost more nervous than a regular episode. Because you have to go back to all your improv skills that you got at the groundlings. Level one, from the two level one classes I've taken of improv apart, true story. Yeah.

It's not easy. It's not easy. It's not. Yeah, I don't like that being prepared, but, and then I read through the questions that Jay sent us from the fan cult and they're really fun. So I'm feeling okay about it. Of course. These are people that want to, they have good ideas.

They think things through. A lot of them are professionals. Improvers. Improvers. Professional improvers. Did I ever tell you about my friend Lynn Shawcroft, the great Canadian standup Canadian Lynn Shawcroft. And she, the greatest story where she took a class, I think it was at the groundling.

And she like got in trouble, quote unquote, because the only thing she could think of as an action to do on stage is fold towels. So no matter what was happening, she would just be standing there. She would just stand there flipping her hands like that and then putting a towel in a shell. And the teacher's like, Lynn, we're in a restaurant. You have to do something else. She was folding napkins. It really does work at any setting.

But isn't that, I would love to know what my like under the gun panic action would be of like nothing. Well, I can tell you actually, because I did take, I got tricked into taking an improv class once I went with my friend. And in my mind, I was like, I'll just audit and sit in the back. And then the teacher, the great Chris Barnes, improv teacher from second city, he was like, no auditing. You have to get in this.

And so I was like, it's my nightmare. I mean, control freak extraordinaire. That was my nightmare too. Because it's like, all you do all your life is don't act stupid. Don't act stupid. Don't act stupid. And they get to improv class and it's like, act stupid. It's hard.

It's hard. The idea that, well, it's, it's act according to what's actually happening as opposed to not acting stupid, which is a plan. Well, I'm just like, I'm a fucking warm up. It doesn't work. Oh my God. It's so uncomfortable. The nerdiest, it's like they're trying to break you emotionally before you go into starting

a scene. Like Zipzap's office is a soul crushing experience. Okay. So you had to go, you could not it. So then the first, I was really mad. And I felt like one of those people that goes with the friend to the cult meeting and then gets in totally indoctrinated into the cult. But the first scene I was in, I was like, I think my panic action is flipping hamburgers

because I stood there. That was what I started with. And then the guy walked into the scene from the like stage left. And then as he walked in and started asking me questions, I slowly turned my back to him. You're a hamburger maker that doesn't want to talk to you. Chris Burns was like, Karen, Karen, what do you do? You have to acknowledge that a person's on stage with you. I was just like, oh, I thought that'd be funny if I turn my back.

But you can't do that. I guess mine would be stirring a big pot of something. Sure. But that could look pornographic if you really. Or like your Stragonona. There's so many options. Yeah. In the improv world.

What's, what's going on? What's up? What's up with you? I don't know. Living my life. I'm reading a really good book I want to talk about. Okay. Is it too early to get into books?

Hell no. Do you want to restart the book club? Yeah. Do you want to do the one-off book club? This is the book club meeting right now. The only people that get to come to this book club right now are the ones who by chance already read whatever book George is about to talk about. That's right.

We're never going to talk about it again. This is the one and only. You're never going to be required to bring cheese snacks to the fucking thing. Or make small talk to people who don't actually know. We would never ask that of you. No. You know that. So I'm listening to this book called The Unquiet Dead by Ausma Zahanat Khan.

I'm sure I said that wrong. It is gorgeous. It's a detective kind of who done it. That's like the basics of it. But it takes place in Canada and they are trying to solve the death of this person. Did he kill himself? Did he get killed? But the person turns out to maybe be a war criminal from the Bosnian war.

And so it keeps, which I didn't know anything about. And so this book is like super, what's it called? Historical fiction. So it keeps telling me all these things about Sarajevo, the fall of Sarajevo and the Bosnian war from the 90s. And I had no idea that it's so beautifully like heart wrenchingly written. And it's incredible. I'm like obsessed with it.

And it's like a perfect true crime book, but also you learn something. Yes. I love it. I love it. And I guess there's like a whole slew of like this detective. Well, I like that they're tricking you into learning. I know. Isn't that fun?

It's the best kind of book. And then to like the counteract that I just watched the Go-Go's last night. The Go-Go's documentary. I haven't seen it yet. I was supposed to watch it with my friend Luke. Vivian Westwood's number one fan, Luke Womack. And then, but okay, go ahead because I'll tell you, I got into something else accidentally. But you tell me about that.

No, it was just really fun and great. And I didn't realize like, I don't think I was bold enough to know the enormity of like what they did. They were the first and it's fucking fun. It's a really fun documentary. That's right. Because when they came out, you would have been one. Yeah. But I was 11.

Yeah. It was right up my, I mean, they are the Go-Go's number one. That Beauty and the Beat came out me and I told the story on Josh Adam Meyers podcast, the 500, because we covered this album. Oh, right. I sat in my friend, Nisha Benedetti, who she was a year younger than me and we did Carpool together. And sometimes I'd go to their house after school and she had gotten that album and we put it, she put it on and then we just sat there staring at the album cover.

And it was like a girl band, all girls singing girl songs about girls. Wrote their own songs, played their own instruments. And then it's like the whole thing about how they got fame. So quickly they had to go on tour and I would like quickly drain them. And like, it was, it's really good and fun. And I didn't realize how fucking punk they were before that. Yeah. That's how they started.

It's so cool. It's rad. It's really fun. Okay. So I was, I really meant to watch that. I accidentally stumbled upon love on the spectrum, which is right here. He's on Netflix. Did you watch it?

No, but I know I want to. You have to. It is so good. It's Australian. So we already love Australians and their whole chill vibe. Yeah. So it's Australian adults who are on the spectrum in some way have Asperger's or autism. And it's them trying to date.

And they talk about how the social aspect of things is already hard. And so then they have like dating coaches and stuff and people that work specifically with people on the spectrum. It's the best. It's hilarious. It's heartwarming. You love these people so much. And you're like, the entire time I sat, I was sitting forward like full body clench

because I was so nervous for people as they were like, it's just beautiful, beautiful thing to watch. Did it help you at all with like past relationships where you're like, oh, that's what was going on. It wasn't like, you know how we're so easy to be like, he doesn't like me. And you know, he can't scan me. And then you later come to realize what was really going on. And it wasn't about you. You know, definitely had those exes.

Absolutely. You know what it actually helped me with is this concept because just dating in general is so it feels to me at this point in life. So like that's for the kids. And I wouldn't really, it's just like not my personality to, you know, can be like, my five favorite things are this and that. I just can't. It's so difficult to envision.

And that's basically what they walk through. And then you, it's all just about being willing to be vulnerable and also to keep boundaries where you're just like, it's just talking. You can figure out if you like someone as you go, you don't have to like, you have to qualify and they don't have to qualify. You're just hanging out. The stakes aren't as high as you think they are, especially when you're young. And it's like, you know, every relationship, every date, every text has so much importance

to it, which it really doesn't. It doesn't at all. And it's all kind of like, it's all part of one big story as opposed to looking at it like, oh, this is this thing that's going to deliver me from whatever where it's like, no, no, it can't, you can't approach it that way. But also just these people, the people that they chose to be on the series are such compelling individuals and you love them and you root for them. And it's just like, it feels good.

I watched, there's a new Marilyn Manson. Nope. There's a new, there's a new Charles Manson documentary. That is, that's a San Georgia as a person who's supposed to be some sort of true crime. That's right. That's what I'm interested. But however, I've never really been into Charles Manson. No, we've already talked about him.

But this fucking documentary, oh, it's on Hulu. It's called Truth and Lies, The Family. And it's, I didn't, it's really make, I didn't care about him. I had no interest in that whole story. This one is actually really fascinating and good and tells you about his like shit about him as a child that you didn't know. Oh, so dark. It's really dark and well done.

So if you're interested in that, I mean, even Vince is into it, which I'm surprised. It's really good. Okay, cool. Yeah. But they have like old photos of him and people who knew him talking. So you're basically saying you're pro Charles Manson now? No, I'm pro Marilyn Manson. Oh, got it.

Got it. That's why. Anti, right. We've always been pro Marilyn. Okay, there's another show that I happened upon on Netflix. I've been spending my time very wisely lately. It's called Skin Decision and it's all about, it's basically like feel good plastic surgery reality TV.

You have to watch it. It's not like botched. That amazing show botched. It's equal opposite botched. So it's, so it's a plastic surgeon, female pox surgeon, a female nurse, a statistician who is in, she often talks about, she's like the number one injectables expert in the country. Amazing. And then it's the people come in and they want things.

And it's not all, you know, quote unquote superficial. It's like the first woman, there's somebody that has really, really bad cystic acne scars. There's someone who had a bunch of gunshot wounds from really from surviving a really terrible traumatic crime. They have all these different people. Then there's a woman who like got herself sober and stopped smoking and she's like a beach lady. And they do these like, they decide if it's going to be plastic surgery or if they can

just do it with non-surgical. Which they can do so much with non-surgical now. It's amazing. They change the way your face is shaped. Yes. Completely. By shooting sugar threads into under your skin. Oh, the threading.

Yeah. It's fascinating. I haven't done that yet. And I mean, I probably won't. I've done, so I've done Botox and I've done filler and I'm a big fucking fan of it. If it makes you feel better about yourself. Yeah. Then why the fuck not?

Absolutely. If you can afford it and you are mentally healthy and you're just trying to give yourself a boost. Yeah. What the fuck? Who cares? It's nobody's business. Well, and it's a common thing and it's so many people do it.

And yeah, it is that thing of like, it's almost like, I think this happens to women a lot. It's almost like you're, you think you're being forced to decide whether you're like an on-camera person or an off-camera person. Right. And if you're an off-camera person, you're just not supposed to care about what you look like. And it's like, you should just always be aiming whatever it is for what feels right and good to you.

Definitely. And it's like, well, I am, but also this like 15-minute procedure of some needles will make me feel even better about who I am. Totally. What's the fucking problem? If you have that kind of scratch, Jesus, I mean, but there was one woman who, who came on and she, it was like that thing where she was trying to say, I in no way want like, quote unquote plastic surgery.

No one thinks. Yeah. But then she had the like hereditary kind of waddle on her neck that was driving her crazy and making her feel terrible. And then when she got the procedure, like the difference was insane. It was amazing. Okay. Such a satisfying show.

It's called Skin Decision. And it's just one of, it's such, it's smartly produced reality because it's about a superficial thing and then they bring it to people who it makes a huge difference in their life in some way. And it's really beautiful. It's beautiful. And these women are beautiful that do it and they're so talented and smart and it's just cool.

Okay. I'm into it. I'm there. It feels. I'm there and I'll probably be on it next season. What are you texting? No, I'm looking. Oh, there's something else I wanted to tell you about that Vince just bought.

Vince likes, Vince likes to buy weird shit online. Sure. But okay, there's this record label called Terrorvision and they put out a lot of like ... Do you mind if I lightly dry my hair as you tell me the story? Please. They released like obscure movie soundtracks on vinyl. So like movies you watch as a kid and weird horror movies and shit.

So they released an album of Unsolved Mysteries music. So it'll be like, they have a whole song for Bigfoot music, they have a whole song for Alien Invasion. There's a whole song that they always use for fucking Loch Ness monsters. Oh. And so it's all this creepy old 80s music. They have the beginning sound music and the end of the episode and it's just like this weird background music to have in your house and we're obsessed with it.

It's a Loch Ness monster music, does it have a little bit of bagpipes, just like a touch of distant bagpipes? It better. It's all I'm saying. It's all I'm saying but it's like actual music from Unsolved Mysteries that they got the rights to. Amazing. Terrorism.

Terrorism. Yeah. How cool is that? That's the best. Yeah. Visit that website. Okay. So I got this tweet the other day, I think it was two days ago, from Lily Lynn.

She's at Epically Ours on Twitter. She said, Karen, you've probably gotten this recommendation before but just in case, check out Cardinal, it's a Canadian procedural dark and beautiful. So I go on there because it's apparently my job to watch every television show ever made now and I think it ended up being on Hulu or Amazon, I can't remember. But anyway, it's called Cardinal. Have you liked the killing? Did you watch the killing?

Love the killing. Do you remember the guy that played the mayor? He's kind of like, he had dark hair short and he was super cute face, a little older. No. Okay. So that guy, perfect. That guy is, he's the lead in Cardinal. It's so good.

What's it about? About Cardinal? Yup. He's a bird. Cardinal? He's a big red bird and he's too proud and he's going to get his comeuppance. No. He is a detective and his French Canadian new partner who's a young woman is actually

secretly investigating him because they think he might be a corrupt cop and they basically, he had been working on a missing young woman case, a missing indigenous young woman case and they never found her and then it's 12 years later and they find her body in the ice and that begins the new investigation and it's, so sometimes, and I'm sorry to tell you this, Canada, but every once in a while a show will come on and I'll say this was made in Canada. It's, it just has a feel and of course, you know, when they say I'm so sorry that it was made in Canada, Cardinal is a police procedural that could compete with any that you love

that's on TV right now. The actors are great, the season one storyline was like unbelievable and there's three seasons and that guy is a lead is, I should, why don't I look people's names up beforehand? Because you usually know them. I do actually, but this guy is, because he was like one of the main people in the killing, you've seen him in tons of stuff. No, I know, he's my best friend. You've always loved him, you wrote him that letter, you know who I'm talking about.

I did. I did. Billy Campbell is his name. He, you know him from such movie and movies and TV's as The Rocketeer, the J. Lo film enough. Oh wait, here, sorry. Oh no. It's this guy.

He kind of looks like a model, but he also looks worried here. A worried model. The best model. A model. Emotion model. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

He's like, he looks like an old young guy. He looks like an old guy. Yes. I totally know who he is. He looks like a high school student that got put through a weird machine. Yeah. They were like, what happened? Yeah.

You seem 18 and 50. He needs to go, he needs to go on skin fix a real result. No, no, no. He's like beautifully salt and pepper age, but he just has like a, almost like a, this is not a compliment. No, no, no. Even though I find this man, of course, very, he's like a standard leading man. He's of course very attractive, but he also a little bit looks like Jughead.

And that's, I'm not trying to be, I'm not trying to nag him. I'm just trying to describe him for people who are trying to think of who this is. Billy Campbell. Someone commented on a tweet that I wrote and just said, I do not mean this in a negative way, but you, there's a hippo in my animal crossing. No, that looks like you, I would never, I would shut that laptop and never open it again. I kind of got it.

I kind of was fine with it. You know, like the hippo in a, in a choo choo, my fair kind, it's just like, yeah, I guess I could see that, you know, big, big eyes and all this. Did it, did the hippo have a short black bob? I didn't see it. I'm just taking this person's word for it. That's really funny. The tweet that starts don't take this the wrong way.

I'm like mute, then block, then report, report to the CIA. Speaking of reporting to the CIA, should we do it exactly right? Well, you know how our, because basically our podcast network is a front for the CIA. Right. So it is, it's the perfect cover. Good ideas. The perfect cover. Yeah.

No one will ever know. No. So let's do a quick rundown of what you can find this week on the Be Exactly Right Network. Beautiful. Kick it off. Okay. We have Murder Squad is covering the unsolved 1998 murder of Rita Hester, who was an active member of the transgender community, whose death inspired transgender remembrance day.

So that's a really important episode. Cool. That's very cool. This podcast will kill you is doing Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, which is good. So cool. Right. Bananas has Francesca Ramsey on, she's from MTV's Decoded and The Nightly Show. She's hilarious and lovely.

Cool. Stephen, you and Sarah on the podcast have Sterling Trap King Davis. Oh my God. I just donated money to him in his van. Yeah. He goes around the country trapping cats and like helping cat communities around the US. Oh. What's his new cat's name?

The little white one that he just adopted? Just Mewisette. I love it. I saw that and I was like, well, I'm giving you all my money. Oh my God. I love it. Would he the best? Oh yeah.

We've hung out before in person whenever he comes out for cat con. He's the sweetest guy. Him and Nathan are just like the coolest dudes. Yeah. Say hi for me. Nathan the cat lady. Nathan the cat lady. I love it.

And then the fall line, this is important. They begin their newest series called Florida's Missing and Murdered. And it's going to be about two murdered women, both members of Jacksonville's LGBTW community. It's an important season that they're coming up with. I can't wait to hear that. Please subscribe. Like, subscribe. Comment.

What is it? Yeah. You were right. All three. And then this week's, I said no gifts starring Bridger Weinegger has the great Chris Fairbanks on it. Chris was like over the moon after he did that. He said he had the best time.

I like that. Those two people are good people. That's a real great combination of people and of hair. Those are two. Oh, yeah. That's a hair that really should meet and greet each other. Aggressively good hair. Yeah.

Oh, also just as an update for the past almost two months, I would say we've been, we had our MFM kind of logo pin that's black and white. That's been for sale and all the proceeds are going to beam, which is the black emotional and mental health collective. And you guys, we have raised, you guys have raised $17,500 for beam. So thank you so much for all of those purchases and all that support. It's, we're super excited to be able to give them such a nice big check. It's really exciting.

Thank you guys so much for supporting them and for supporting us, supporting other people. It's really supportive. We're going to take a new order to donate too soon, so there's going to be more pins for sale. Yeah. Also on the fan call there, the video this week is the video of Karen and Stephen giving me my birthday presents from last week, so you can actually see me cry. Is it crying if the tears don't spill out of your eyes?

No, that's Real Housewives of Orange County. Oh, shit. That's from Orange County. I know. That's why I can't cry. I just need, tell Vince that you need one of those diamonds that takes up a whole lower half of your finger and then you can cry by going like that and getting your diamond into the, into the shot.

So they need to, they need to spill over to be a real cry. I mean, look, very, there's not a ton of real crying in media these days. I think a lot of it is glycerin. I think a lot of it is hot pepper to the, right to the core, right before it rolls some menthol. But, oh, I want to mention, and for some reason we haven't talked about the new season of search party, season three of search party that came out like a month ago, because I wanted to give a shout out.

It's really good. It's another great season. But this season, though, there's a lawyer on it, played by a woman named Shelita Grant. And she, this character is so incredible and she is so funny. She's like kind of like a Kardashian acting type of lawyer. And it's like frickin' Emmy Orly. She's just incredible. So if you've watched season three, and I mean, you should just binge the whole fucking

show. It's so good. Search party is the best. And this season is like everyone plays their character so well. It's like every single cast member is fucking bringing everything they have to it. I love it so much. That's great. It was a good wreck.

I should definitely watch search party. Because I've run out of everything on Netflix. I think I've honestly watched every, I was watching a show about the universe at four o'clock this morning. Please. You can't know. I know it's all lies. So there's nothing to know.

It's all a simulation. Here's what's interesting, though, because I do remember in college, I got really drunk at a party one time. My sister got mad at me because I kept saying, is it our moon or is it everybody's moon? And no one had the answer. That's just a great question. Do you want a parent? I love it.

One fucking person. Everyone's like, what? I'm like, you're all so ignorant. Here, it's X state. Is it all a moon or is it everyone? No. And honestly, no. I think people are actually getting mad because they didn't know the answer.

So it's like, I'll stop yelling it when you tell me the answer. So anyway. I feel like that's one of the conversations that if I like true crime, if I had heard you talking about it across a party and hadn't known you, I would have run over and been like, that's a great question. This is, we have to find out, and I'm so pre-internet, we would have had to find out by like going to the library or whatever, but here's what I learned last night that was actually genuinely like I sat up and watched it.

Here's how we got the moon back when the earth was like still cooling or whatever. An asteroid hit the earth. The earth? What? Yeah. And actually like in one day it spun it around. It was a egg shaped for a little bit and then some of the debris that came off the earth. I don't know if it was cool or not.

Are you sure you were just watching the beginning credits to third rock from the sun? It did look exactly like it, but essentially that got it, that's, I think that's what they said. It either got knocked off the asteroid, no, it was a piece of the earth that got knocked off. I think that's what it was. Anyway. Moon doctors, please comment and tell us.

What's important is that I was paying close attention and I took the time to convey non-information to you. I thought I had the answer. It's the reason I was telling this whole story. It was because I'm pretty sure it was part of earth that then just was part of the debris that then everything else was too weak and got knocked out of orbit. And then it was just the moon and the earth millions of years ago. They want you.

That's what the CIA wanted you to think. But really it's. I fell for it. It was a fucking John Lithgow vehicle. Was it John Lithgow? It was. Yeah. It was John Lithgow, Kristen Johnson and Joseph.

Cute little Joseph got in Levit. That's not McCarthy's joke. But it is. It was a really cute show. French, Stuart French. French Stuart. Yeah. Whoa.

Well done. Well done. That's right. You can't miss the fourth family member of aliens. That's right. What bothered me about that show is that I don't like aliens at all. And then that idea of like, I don't want to watch people act like aliens. It felt like it kind of felt like a improv class exercise of like all four of you are

from a different. They were all in an improv team and they decided like a show out of it. But they were good. Jane Curtins on it, which is like, she's the best. It was the cast of superstars hands down. I'm not arguing. It's a great show. The performances made it happen.

I just want to fight about it. Okay. I want to talk really quickly about your chair. And how loud it is. It's getting louder. I know. I know. Actually getting louder and louder through like through the quarantine.

Oh, okay. I think I just need to burn it in the backyard. It's a rickety wooden chair. I don't know what I was thinking. We need to get sponsored by like a really nice office furniture company. I wish office depot was still open. Stephen, are you do hear it? Yeah, it has been getting a little louder.

For sure. Guys, stop attacking me. First of all, what's unfair about this whole is that this exact. I did never not funny Jimmy Pardo and Matt Belmont's podcast. And someone goes, does somebody have one of those ball clacking things on there? And then I was like, oh, wait, sorry. That's me. So when I get like, I get an idea and I just start getting started spinning around in my

seat. Let's get you, I feel like we could we could use the exactly right money bank card. What do we have a money bank? We could use the exactly right order. They called petty cash to buy you a nice chair. Oh, good idea. I'm going to submit a form to Danielle and see what you're doing. Do you need a nice chair, Stephen?

I actually do need a new office chair because it's like. Guys, let's get those ones that are like aerodynamic and they're black net and they're like really high back. And then we'll put one of those cab driver up beads, things down the back of it. I just need one of those like, you know, those, they call them husband loungers, like the big pillows that have the armrests that like my grandma used to, you read her fucking Diane Steele novels, Danielle Steele. Thank you.

Yes. No, no, Diane Steele. She's a, she's a different person. Oh, she is recipe books mostly me and my sister got those for Christmas one year. Different colors, but same thing. And we carried them around. They were so comfortable and fun. Yes.

Okay. And getting one. You could lean anywhere and watch TV or like, you know, make any of the place you're having. And then remember those, like they'd have the like clipboards, but like there'd be like a bead pillow padding underneath them. Yes. Like right on the clipboard, but like put it comfy.

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Follow against the odds wherever you get your podcast. You can listen ad free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. Should we do some Q&A? Let's do Q&A. That's so fun. So in our fan club, we had a bunch of people, we just said, ask us questions, do you want to go first? Do you want to go first?

Let me look. But this is a good kickoff because we always love talking about food and it's easy to talk about easy fun. This is a good icebreaker. Yeah. Some of mine are fun and easy. Some of mine are interesting and thoughtful. Right.

I think, yeah, we have a really good mix. I think everyone did a great job. Hello dear friends. I've never met smiley face with punctuation. Do you like the chips on sandwich combo? And if so, what combo do you like? I have two, which I love. They're asking a question and giving their own answer.

Good job. Great. Baloney with Doritos. Never even considered it. I haven't thought about it. Which kind? Cool Ranch or Nacho? I'd say that got to be Nacho.

Because you need a strong, Baloney is so medium to the land. Cool Ranch. Cool Ranch would just be like a little bit of salad dressing on there. Yeah. Yeah. But that's a strong opinion. No. I basically said, no, that's wrong about it entirely conceptual idea.

Hi. Hi. If you wanted what it's like to be friends with me or turkey with ruffled chip. Absolutely. That's it. Those are great. Those are both great. Mine is.

Oh wait. Sorry. Can I finish it? Yes. Some people call this hillbilly lettuce. And then they wrote, huh, thank you for everything, Rachel from Cincinnati. Rachel from Cincinnati. Rachel.

Yeah. Strong at the top. Solid. Fucking good question. Icebreaker. It's conversational. It's genuinely interesting. Plus my aunt is watering.

Georgia. You can ask this on a date. This is your date question. And I'm going to have it written on a piece of paper next to me and I'll say it real fast right when we sit down at the table. So it's as awkward as possible. Do you like Baloney and Doritos? And then to just start crying.

There was a moment where the Mike who is one of the great, great human beings on this planet who's one of the people you follow in the story. He goes on a date with this girl and he's asking her questions like he had practiced and he's doing great. He's really doing great. Are they both on the spectrum? Like the people who are dating? Yeah.

Because they meet at a like a speed dating thing for people. So she suddenly just kind of shuts down and starts staring around and he's like, or any like ask another question that she has, excuse me. And then just gets up and then it's like as she's walking away, she tells like, you can hear her tell a producer, I can't. I'm having anxiety. I can't. And I, I was just like, oh my God, that's so me.

It's so me. It's just like mid conversation. You're like, sorry, this just peaked for me and I have to go. I have to go. I can't. I have to remind this one word you use reminded me of this specific fucking thing in my childhood that just made me real sad and now I can't fucking do this anymore. Goodbye.

And as I, as it's happening to me, I am highly conscious of how I'm weaving this moment with you. And I know. With cameras on. Yes. But I just need to get out of here. Please let me get out of here and I know it's not allowed and I know I'm in trouble and I know I'm bad.

I'm bad. I'm bad. I'm bad. I'm bad. I'm gonna cut to the sandwiches with salt and vinegar chips. That is my fucking. Oh, I love it so much. That's number one.

That sounds perfect. What kind of bread are you putting that on? Well, I'm talking about, like a Jersey Mikes or like a deli sandwich. Hero. A helgi? A helgi, like deli sandwich style with fucking salt and vinegar chips. Yes. Right?

Yeah. Yeah. That sounds offered. fucking chips. But if you eat like 50, you're ruined. Your mouth is ruined. You're punished. What's yours? What's yours? You're self punished. Um, God, I have to, well, first of all, this makes me think of my friend on Fraser, who used to put her french fries on her Big Mac. Which I never thought of doing and I watched her do it. And I think she said something along lines of like, learn, let me teach you how to live type of thing and keep it into it. I don't

know if I like that though, because I like having a side of things and they're both so good on their own. You don't need them together. But chips add like a nice crunch. Yeah, you wouldn't get just for my mum fucking cooking channel again. Sorry, what do those salt and vinegar chips do? They add a nice layer of crunch. Have you ever had ice and ice cream sundae with fucking salty, crunched up potato chips on top? No. That is good. I thought you were missing. I had that on cooking channel. Have you really? Yeah, unique sweets. There was this like, in Brooklyn, there was this like, um, old school diner, like cutesy sundae shop and they would crush potato chips on top of a sundae. It was fucking incredible. Hot fudge? Hot fudge sundae.

Shit. Salty fucking, like plain potato chips on top. That is, that's epic right there. My mouth is watering so hard. And I think partially it's even just talking about salt and vinegar chips makes my mouth water almost defensively. I think I would have to say though, for a chip combo situation, I'm so plain. I just love a turkey sandwich that I pick her suggestion, which is turkey with a ruffle, um, deli sandwich. Ruffles are extra salty, so they're there. The chip salt is happening, but then they're going to bring some salt to the rest of the sandwich. They're that salty. And how about a nice club sandwich with barbecue potato chips? I feel like club sandwiches are already too spiky and crunchy in of themselves.

Too much going on already. You need the softness of like a nice shredded up deli turkey, some like Swiss in there, and then boom, a big fat ruffle. And you know what? I'm here for it. The rest of that, and of course, a nice delpickle on there, but you could also get a ruffle. Have you ever had cheddar and sour cream ruffles? Yeah. They're like, they're like, I always look at them and go like, no, don't do that. That's just crazy. It's not what you want. Stick those on there. Man, I miss going to parties where they would have fucking sour cream and onion dip. I miss it so much. Or like at the end of the night, that bowl of ruffles where there's 17 left, and they're also going to have beer on them. And eight people's fingerprints all over them.

Back when fingerprints wouldn't kill you. But you're starving because your friends don't know how to throw a party because they don't order anything. They order six pizzas and there's like 50 people there. Yeah. Let me see. You have to be there for the first two hours to get pizza. Right. Exactly. All right. So great job, Rachel. Should we go to another food one or should I go to like a serious one? Because I can't, my mouth will be too full of spit. That's true. Okay. Hi, murder panels. Hope you're all doing well. I was wondering, will you feel comfortable touring again when, if things open back up? Love you all. Thank you for all you do, SSDGM, Chelsea, R. Chelsea R. My answer is yes. Yeah. It's just that it's so mysterious as to when that could be

and what it would look like when it does happen. But who knows. I think we're not going to be the first wave or the second wave of people doing things again. I feel like we'll be ninth wave. You know? Yeah. We're going to be like, it's the double Dutch of touring. We're like, uh-huh. Keep going. We refuse to be the people like on the evening news and fucking St. Louis. We're going to like, these two podcasters got everyone in the fucking theater sick because they decided it'd be a great idea to have a live show. I would love to be so selfish as to be like, it'll be fine. We'll all be fine. But then if it's not, that's the worst. So the answer then is yes in 2028. See you then. See you in 2028. I don't think, I think the soonest we would tour

again is probably, depending on how things go, falls out for sure this fall. Winter is going to be out because then some people get sick again. So if everyone wears their masks and your parents don't, like it's a fucking fake thing and everyone behaves, then maybe by next summer, if things are going well, we would start to slowly tour again. That's the dream. That's the dream. Right? That's the dream. That's what we want. No, that's a good, that's the plan. Just put my hand into a thing of hand lotion, as if we're not doing something right now. What? You're gonna put a hand lotion on right now? Yeah. Dude. Move it on your creaky old chair. Give that thing some loo. Come on. It's a very dry room.

Both the chair and I are creaky. What if for instance, if Elvis meowing at the end of the podcast, it's your chair creaking. Say goodnight chair. I like this one normally. Normally, I don't want to talk about stuff like this because it's conceptual and boring. It's like talking about your dreams. But this is something I think about obsessively. And it's this. And this is from lemon sublime. And they ask, if you could have exactly one five minute conversation with your pets, what would you talk about? Oh my God. Who would I pick? Okay, you go. Do you have one? Yes. 100% because I actually do ask them this all the time. I want to know where they were born, how quickly their parents bailed on them.

The thing I love to ask George is, did you have brothers and sisters? I just try to picture these dogs because I think both Frank and George were strays. George was found almost starving with mange running around the streets of Hemet, California. So I'm always like, what happened? Because she looks like she's, she looks like she has fancy dog in her. So it's like, did your pedigree mother have an affair? There's some stray, was it a lady in the tramp situation? And then how long were you alone? And, and like, what happened? Don't you think it's better now that you have your own room? You have your own fucking king size. What's it called mattress? Casper mattress. You have a

podcasting mattress. You jerks. You're not better than the streets. Stop eating food off the counter. I just want to know their life story from a young age. I love that. I would like to know Mimi's as well. And I'm thinking like I already talked to Elvis and I'm pretty sure we're communicating on the same level. So like, I don't need to talk to him. But Mimi, I just want to be like, I want to communicate to her that she is safe. And just because I love the other cats doesn't mean she going to die. And I'm, you know, and I have and tell her how I've never hurt her in her fucking life. So if I'm walking towards her, she doesn't need to fucking freak out and run away. I will never hurt her. I would like lay down

in front of a car for her. Just kind of calm her and figure out why she's so, so mean and angry. Could it be that her mouth is so small? So shiny. She's mad about it? It could be. Like just because I pet Dottie doesn't mean there's less pets for her, but they don't exist. That doesn't exist in my life, you know? And like, she doesn't, and also she doesn't ever bite me so hard when she's hungry. And then whatever she wants to say to me, I'll listen. Do you, you'll listen with an open heart and open ears? Yeah, but I have a feeling that she's not gonna. It's not gonna be good. No.

She's gonna be like, there was that one time you walked toward me kind of fast. And I was like an apology for that. One time I stood underneath you and you accidentally stepped on my tail. Now I don't trust you anymore and it's been 11 years. You did that. You did that. That's a cute question. I like that. Yeah, good job. Okay, this one says, do you ever miss recording in the pod loft in Georgia's apartment,

old apartment? I used to pretend I was drinking canned wine sitting on a couch with you when I was listening back in the early days. That's good. And that's Hannah from Michigan. Hi, Hannah. Hannah, good question. I actually just was writing a little essay about that and how much everything has changed since my first apartment we were recording in and then the pod loft and then the office that doesn't exist basically anymore and how I really loved. It felt like this cozy cave that we used to record in.

And I enjoyed that. Yeah, it was great. Thank you. It was great. No, I definitely miss the pod loft. I have to say though, the one I miss the most is the first apartment. It was just so kind of, it was like watching it all become real in front of our eyes. There was a very fascinating experience like once we were into month four

and it was that thing where we were both realizing people were paying attention. I honestly just thought we were going to be doing this and just be entertaining each other. So then it was kind of like as things would kick up, I just remember staring at that like the dresser that your TV was on or looking at you but also looking at the sliding glass door behind your head while it was like, you have this many listeners or some kind of big news. Every week there was like a new like, did you see this? Did you hear this person listen? Did you see it? It was surreal. And it was, yeah, it was doing it from a like rent controlled little janky apartment in Hollywood.

That had no air conditioning. No air conditioning. The neighbors were grilling outside of my window essentially. Remember that? Yeah. And there was the guy that played the video game that you could hear. I forgot about him. Remember the ghost train from the pod loft? Yes. And then sometimes we lived above the tennis court so there was like a dude playing tennis.

Julia McCullough playing tennis. That's right with our neighbor. Yeah. I feel like we have, I'm like kind of bummed because I feel like my house, I was really hoping we moved into this house and there'd be like a perfect spot that I could come into because I think you love going into the office. Well, it was just so fun to have an office. It was just like, and also I knew the sound would be great that there wouldn't be trains, planes or automobiles to worry about, you know. And I just liked the fact that it matched the reality of where we were. That felt right to me.

I think I just like being more casual. I think the more casual, the more like, like right now I'm fucking lounging on a couch in two short shorts. You know, lazy like makes it feel more, more like less important and less like, you know, dire that we get something good done. It's just like two runs. When have you ever felt that fresh? Breakthrough. It's a breakthrough episode. Okay. Well, I feel like, I feel like when we come out of COVID, we're gonna, the lease is up on our office. We're gonna find a new space. And this time we can actually like plan a room around just us podcasting where we both get what we want out of it.

And Steven can maybe have a nice chair if he wants. No, no, no, it's not. No promises. No promises. No promises. Okay. This is simple and easy from Lori KB. Candy corn or Valentine Conversation Hearts? Oh, candy corn. Candy corn, easy. Dude, so good. That other shit tastes like medicine. Candy pumpkins. Candy corn pumpkins. Right. Any of it. I love the people that don't like that. I feel like they're just, they're just saying that to make me feel bad because I love Harvest Mix is a bomb.

And also it really is just little piles of sugar. Sugar. You get high off that shit if you have a hand like Harvest Mix. Crushed animal bones, which is sad when you think about it. But good for your nails. That's right. That was a good one. Look, if the Harvest Mix people could put a little message at the bottom of each pumpkin, it wouldn't hurt. I love the conversation heart concept. But yes, me too. I love conversation. I don't want to eat.

It's like a fortune cookie. I fucking love fortune cookies. Nobody fucking makes them. Those, that's a wasted calorie cookie. Yeah. That's right. That's right. Come on. Also, you have to stuff yourself full of Chinese food. Like good luck. So good. Okay. Let's see. Easy or harder? Have a quickie. Would you rather live in a sailboat or RV? That's from Lori KB. That's a great question. Oh, Lori KB got two in a row. Oh, seriously? Yeah, she did conversation hearts.

But she's good. She's good. She knows. I can say right away, it is not safe to live on a sailboat. The ocean is not your friend. There's all kinds of things happening. There's no, you know, tidal waves in RVs, as far as I know. And I have really fun, good memories from childhood. My friend Janet Nielsen's grandparents came one time and they had one of those RVs that we were probably seven years old. Yeah. But it was like a three story house kind of RV when we were just like,

though we got to drive, her grandpa drove around while we just like played cards. Did you guys go camping in church? No, I think so. You're not, you're not going to do that anymore. Oh, you're not? You have to be strapped in when it's moving now. That was the 70s and 80s. That's a good idea. I honestly think right now, and Ben's not talked about this, if we didn't have cats or if we had more chill cats, we would be just in an RV traveling the country.

Really? Yeah. And actually I have really bad memories of it from childhood when my dad would get them for the summer and it was just a nightmare of driving for fucking hours and hours. Where would you go to camp? He took us to Big Sur. We went to Grand Canyon. We were like, he's going to fuck it. I know he's going to call me and be like, well, by the way, that really meant a lot to me. And I just wanted to teach you guys to write. I know he's going to be mad at me for saying how bad.

And I know in the book, I wrote about it in the book. And he's like, I thought it was important learning experience. I'm like, it was, but I don't let camping pass. So, you know, you can go on Airbnb or whatever and rent. People are renting out their RVs for like a night or two at the beach now. Oh, that's smart. I would do sailboats if I could bring the cats, but then I would just get fucking zee sick right now. I just think I love the concept.

I think the people that do it are amazing and brave and cool, but I can think immediately of four different hideous stories of people that were like going around the world on a sailboat. Oh my God. In my mind, it's all dolphins meeting my dog that's on the fucking deck, but it's not really like that. It's not. Okay, you go. What about this? Oh, this is, this is good and interesting and kind of what we talked about before, but of all the live shows you've performed, what's been your favorite venue and why?

Venue. Where we've gone to. God, they're all, they've all been, like 90% of them have been fucking incredible. And when they're not incredible, it's funny because it's like, what is this place? Yes, I love those ones. Yeah. I mean, there's so many. There's like the one in Texas, it was like the Toyota amphitheater. Yep. That was like the nicest place for you that were played. Yes.

But then there's like the Orphan LA, which means so much because it's your hometown, so it's like important. And that, that we could see it was like house lights were up that whole show. Yeah. I remember seeing, there was someone in the audience that I thought was my friend, and then I found out later they didn't go. And the whole time I saw it. Yeah. It was like, but that's how house lights up.

It was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then what's the one, the beacon? In New York. I mean, that one's epic. So it feels really important. The ones that feel like, oh, I've heard of this place and I know that this is a big fucking deal. Oh, I mean, Jesus, the fucking grand opera.

Yeah. That's gotta be the one, right? I mean, that was like, but I felt so, I felt like truly starstruck by the building in this way that I felt like some, you know, I don't want Carrie Underwood to be mad at us. You know what I mean? Yeah. I had that feeling of like the week's gifts of mine. Yeah.

So I felt so intimidated, but I mean, obviously proud that we could even fill it. And that audience was so great that night. I mean, that audience was incredible. That night we met backstage Glenn Campbell's daughter, Ashley Campbell, who's also an incredible musician now to like following her mother's footsteps and she could not have been kinder. Another person I met that night, remember, was my, so my therapist, Kim, who I was with for two and a half years and then took her own life out of nowhere. Her, like her niece in law contacted me and was like, I was listening to the podcast and I heard

you talk about him and I had to pull over and I couldn't believe it. I'm going to bring Kim's mom to the show. And so she came backstage and we got a hug and talk. And yeah, it was really, really, really, it felt powerful and deep and incredible. So yeah, I guess that's the show. There was also that when we were in Anaheim, right? No, no, no. It was the first time we played Las Vegas and it was the Red Rocks Resort, which was,

we had unbelievable rooms. Our rooms had like, we had mini swimming pools on the decks. It was crazy. It was three sizes bigger than my apartment. It was like three bathrooms. Yeah. It was like something from Cribs. It was great.

And the view was to the mountains. It was gorgeous and amazing. And then we went down into that room and it was a little bit like you're saying, it wasn't a standard like venue room. It was like a, it was conference. It was almost like a banquet hall. It felt like two wedding banquet halls merged together. Where they took the accordion wall out.

And there was like carpeting on the ground and then people were in just kind of like banquet seats. And that audience was on fire. There was something about the kind of like, we're just gonna, we're gonna make a show. My dad's got a stage. You bring your chairs like that feel. But that, I remember walking on stage and it was like better than concert venue. Like the audience was doing something.

Maybe it was just the biggest thing. Do you know anything that might be too is when we go to places that are like vacation destinations and set up like people's hometowns and everyone who's there is on vacation on vacation. Yes. So everyone feels stoked and excited and loose and free and having a good time for days. That's so true. So maybe that's what Vegas does.

Yeah. Like go when we do Vegas. Because also I feel like that's the vibe in San Diego. Like people maybe come from out of town to go. Yeah. Because then we cannot. Santa Barbara. When we did Santa Barbara that was like that too.

There was, but then there was also in, I loved Pittsburgh. I loved Pittsburgh. Oh yeah. What's the one with where Paps is from? Milwaukee. Milwaukee. Yeah. Milwaukee we've been to twice and that has always been.

And there's the people at the show are so generous. They give us hardly Davidson letter jackets at the venue. Yes. That's right. That's the Riverside Theater, right? You're so incredible. Yeah. That staff is the best.

They treated us like straight up rock stars. It was crazy. And yeah. I mean. They did a whole like, like a whole spread of food that was like murder themed. It was incredible. Yeah.

And we're always just. We could just sit here and do this. I know. I know. When have we been treated badly? When is the audience not the greatest? I know. But I'm also just always surprised that people know who we are.

Yeah. You are the most. There's in the early days, in the early days when we were kind of by ourselves before Vince was our tour manager before. Yeah. You know, we were totally, totally had it tightened up or whatever. There was a couple of times where we were like, oh, you know. Yeah.

Something, but never, once we hit the stage, it was always just like the same thrilling feeling. That and then the gifts we get backstage make us feel like we're at home. Like we belong there. There will be like local treats. And like this is our best fucking, this is our donut shop at Everland Labs. Or this is like the bakery and this is the beer and this is the kombucha. And this is, you know, it's really cool.

I mean, since this is a total like for the listeners type of show anyway. When you do Q&A because it's like we're being lazy, but we do where it is the thing of like we truly and literally won the super lottery when it comes to listenerships and the people who interact with the show and who are a part of this community, we lucked out in a way. It's crazy. Like every person is cooler than the last. Every person is funnier. Every person's more talented and crafty.

And like it's what, wait, wait, I think I can answer this. Just so those are all the, you know, those are like the top, top, top. We can do this. I could honestly do this for hours. But that fucking theater, I can't remember now. Toronto, the Toronto Theater. Steven, you were there. It was the one that, it's very kind of almost like 60s modern.

So it's like, it looks like it got designed and built when it was like, check it out. A big amphitheater or whatever. We were there a couple nights, right? Yep. And we've done there a couple times too. And so you walk out and it was like, so it's really big. So it was one of the bigger audiences we ever had the first time we played it. And, and then the audience was like, as if they were, it was like, you couldn't write

better responses for an audience and the way they were participating and enjoying the show. It was crazy. That's so true. That's the one. Sony Center. In Toronto? In Toronto, yeah. Sony Center in Toronto.

Yeah, see, we were there. It's up there. And also that's when we got backstage, the meet and greet. I believe that's the one where the woman brought, she made a sign that said, I shaved my face for this. Remember we met her at the meet and greet and she goes, I thought everything. For some reason, I thought everyone was going to have signs. And she was all like self-conscious that she had brought that sign, which made me laugh.

So I love it. We could do that. I could honestly, and I would love to do this for two more hours. And also the Sydney Opera House, too. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We had to get guided in because it's so involved of how to actually get to the stage. I miss it.

I really miss it. Here's one. Hi, friends. When was the time in your life you felt aimless? What helped you get through the day to day during that time? Do you have any routines that help you feel ready to face the world? Thanks for being the good voices in my head during this time, R. Yeah, aimless.

I did aimless from age 18 to age 27. For sure. That's all I ever felt. It was a constant, awful, where are you going to get money? When are you going to have a career? What are you doing with your life? Are you seriously going to drink every minute of the day? I mean, it went on and on.

And as good things would happen in my life, they would absolutely be kind of like it. I didn't have a good enough practice to be like focusing on that and doing other good things, like feeling good. It would be like, oh, I got, you know, I get to do a set on a TV show. I'm not going to plan that set. And I'm going to drink the night before. Just like insane bad.

So like through your point that you can't do anything, right? Like almost like I got convinced that aimless was the way I had to be. And I couldn't graduate out of it, which was aimless comfortable. And I was like, well, if you're aimless, well, it's all good. It's all I knew. It wasn't like I knew a lot of people who were like, well, then I went to a business school and then I did this and I got this blazer or whatever. And I was always like, oh, I don't want to do any of that.

But I also have a terrible feeling about my future all the time. Yeah, I get that. I think for me, I think from like 27 on for me, like 27 to 30 something felt like, especially the late 20s felt really aimless. Like I didn't know what I was saying exact thing. But I think for me, like the thing that got me out of that was thinking about was like, this American life listening to that made me feel so like hopeful and creative and wanting to like, it gave me a sense of like purpose

and wanting to strive for something. Every fucking story was so beautiful. And in the journalism and the storytelling about like an eyeglass, so incredible. And this is these beautiful pieces of like a picture of a life. And it felt so inspiring to me. Oh, that's cool. Everyone's interesting different stories.

So I think like radio lab and this American life are really instrumental and like helping me be creative. That's actually interesting because I think the way I did it was thinking about the fact that this is my story. So it sounds very similar. And this can and I kept, I would have to say to myself, this can't be the story picture. If this, if somebody was watching a movie and you're the movie, this sucks. Like this is not fun to watch.

It's the same thing over and over again. Like do something else. I think I got a sense of myself instead of just being the like right in myself freaking out and like kind of self-obsessed, I somehow figured out that stepping out and looking at and then being like, well, I can't, I'm not going to worry my way into something better. I have to like do different things. I love that. I looked for like spare change in old coat pockets for so long.

Like I think the aimless thing, I think a lot of like, if you're like writing that in and you're 25, don't worry about it because that's, you're supposed to have difficulties and you're supposed to kind of like trudge through your early life so that you have experiences. So you smarten up and you get a sense of the world and how it works and that let people mentor you, let people teach you stuff. You're, this isn't American Idol. You're not supposed to step out and like dazzle everybody when you're 25. No one expects you to.

You're not that smart. So give yourself a break and smarten up and like become a student of the world and don't worry about like the presentation because you need to like, I think it's like, I'm saying this as much to my like 24 year old self as anything else, but it's like, we're so results oriented, we're so performance oriented, we're so like selfie oriented, social media style, when actually like younger people should just be actually doing things, like get a job somewhere and let someone tell you how to do a thing and be and learn a skill, learn a trade. Like experience life.

Yeah. If you experience that and like, I feel like that I love the idea of being like, if I, if is this chapter of my life, anything I'll ever want to write about one day or, you know, and if it's not then then make sure you're experiencing things, making friends, having relationships, doing meaningful things for yourself that so when you look back on it in 10, 20 years, you're proud of the amount of experiences you were racking up. I think, right, for me, like writing a blog really helped because I always wanted something interesting to write about.

So even if I was terrified about online dating, I could be like, well, I'm gonna fucking blog about it. So it's okay, you know, and it was, it was like a fun experiment instead of, you know, just a stagnant life. Yeah. And it's also, you have to remember it's the judgment about it. Like what if you were just the most aimless person? Like if you're worried about being aimless, be extraordinarily aimless.

Like go discover what that actually means as opposed to, oh, you're just not a lawyer yet. Like your parents told you you should be or whatever expectation that you're sitting on yourself to judge yourself instead, you know, open the door a little wider maybe for yourself. And maybe you're not supposed to figure out what you want to do with your life, your partner, any of that shit until you're 40. Why do you have to be fucking or 50? Why don't you be 28 when you go everything? No, you don't.

That's a weird old thing. Yeah. That's a weird old thing. Because also it's like, I thought I knew what I wanted when I was 24. And then I changed my mind when I was, it didn't work. Like I didn't know, you know, it wasn't happening. They are growing to do so much growing. And also like you get to, you get to like change midstream and try something else if,

if your original plan isn't working, you get to do that like four times. Yeah. Okay, this is, this is awesome. I'm going back. I'm going back to the topic we love. What's the best thing you've eaten in quarantine? That's a hard one. Because Vincent and I have been glutton city over here.

Let's get honest about quarantine. I'm ready. For some reason, I think it's been really comforting. I think to both of us is eating our childhood favorites. Yep. So like we did Hungry Man dinners, TV dinners. I've been eating Ritz peanut butter crackers every day. I'm going to ask you to go back to the Hungry Man dinners.

Here's what I used to just go crazy for about the Hungry Man dinners. Saving that little pie thing till the end. A little brownie. Oh my God. It's so good. So is it always a brownie or is it different flavors with different meals? That's, it's different flavors with different meals. Can you just walk us through different desserts so far that you,

or just how about the whole thing? Like what different Hungry Man's have you guys been enjoying? Well, I only get the fried chicken dinner because I fucking love it. And we actually had a couple of weeks there where we were like, every Sunday we're getting fried chicken from a different place. Nice. So that was happening for a while. Um, so then Vince, but Vince will get like Salisbury steak, which looks disgusting.

He's like, do you want to, I kept asking if I want to buy it. And I was like, absolutely not. And then I was, and then it was just not, it wasn't what I thought it would be. And then he also, there's like a gravy mushroom. Yeah. It's for boy. And then he did like a turkey dinner thing. And then we also got like a Swedish meatball situation.

Um, that's been fun. Okay. What can you remember what the desserts for those were? Those were all brownies, I think. Really? Maybe they only do brownies now. Maybe. But the brownies are fucking legit.

Oh, like crispy and microwaved and have like a piece of corn stuck in it. So you're not a traditional ovening these. You are microwaving them? No, no. We oven it. Oh, okay. Oh yeah. You couldn't because they're aluminum foil.

Are they still aluminum foil? No, girl. No, it's plastic now. Oh, that's what I had was in 1978. Well, I haven't been an aluminum foil, baby. You've been around here 25 years. Um, let's see what else are we eating? It's like a lot of experimentation works.

Like I told Vince, I like cookies and cream ice cream. And so now he is ordering every single brand of cookies and cream ice cream until we find the one that's the best. Dude. Okay. First of all, again, congratulations on having the best husband of all time. Secondly, because he really is. He really, he really is.

He really is. Second of all, the times I've had to have a talk with myself because of me ordering ice cream from Postmates, where it's just like, I actually have begun to plan what the other things I eat during the day. Like I can't have it unless I only eat crazy good all day long and then order from it. Because there's so many like fancy bespoke ice cream places in like in the valley.

You can get anything. Man, have a green shake for breakfast every day and you can end that you're fine. So said I, the doctor. The nutritionist left, doctor. But I will say that I was going to tweet the other day this sentence, the secret star of quarantine question mark, that spoonful of peanut butter.

Because I can't tell you how many times I've just been kind of like wandering around aimlessly. And then I'm like, wait, I can have a teaspoon of peanut butter to pass the time. I will say that like with Vince, I haven't had the resort to peanut butter because I, when I get in this brain area of stress and anxiety and worry, I look in the fridge or the cupboard and go, fuck it. And just don't eat.

So like, he's definitely been sure that I'm eating, but that means we eat whatever he wants. So like, you know, for dinner, we had fucking chili, cheese, dogs, which I'm stoked on. He's been making a lot of tater tots and like take tater crowns, which is like a fucking Midwest. And I didn't know that it's like, they're little like, they're like, you know, when you get Burger King hatch browns in the morning,

but they're like flat. Sure. It's like that instead. That's a lot of, yeah. We've been eating a lot of midwesterly stuff and like, like hearty feeling thing. It's been like comforting. That's great.

Yeah. Like a lot of McDonald's, a lot of McDonald's. Oh, those are, those are classic. My crap. I keep making quesadillas. Oh yeah. Simple, easy, but then it also, it feels like I'm actually making something real. Like I kind of like, sorry,

I have to stand at the oven for a while like an actual adult. And it's just a quesadilla. But then I'll sometimes order from Sharkies, which is a rad Mexican place. Yeah, so good. It's a chain that's so good and everything is really well made. And then get their salsa. So then I'm having my homemade quesadilla with some real good fire roasted salsa.

We've talked about it. I'm not saying this to be hacky. Zankoo chicken. It's just, it's everything. And you know, it's good, kind of good for you, or at least like it's, you know, lean. It's perfect. This is from Sierra.

And it says, what advice would you give to someone who struggles with self-confidence? As someone who's often second guessing herself, it's so comforting to listen to both of you be real. This may sound like a backwards compliment, but even when you make mistakes on the podcast, know that you're both inspiring murdering us to keep going because we're all human. Love to you both, Sierra. So the question is, after all that is,

what advice would you give to someone who struggles with self-confidence? Don't beat yourself up for struggling with self-confidence. You know, like that's, I think such a big, barrier everyone puts, we put in our way of like, because we're not perfect, we suck. Yes. I think like once you learn to accept yourself as a flawed, as a like hilariously, charmingly real flawed person,

then you can forgive yourself a little more, be yourself a little more, you know, which is a beloved person to a lot of people. Yeah. And I think the, it's, yeah, it's, you're not going to ever get self-confidence from someone else. So I think a lot of people think that where it's like, oh, if I just get, if I line certain things up,

then suddenly that will be the like the answer. I'll be physically perfect. I'll be, I'll say the perfect thing. Right. Everyone makes shit up of like, here's how, they base it on the other people they've seen of like, I wish I could be like him or her. And, and it's all made up.

You just have to kind of cop to the fact that all of your attempts, if you're struggling with self-confidence, because you think you did it wrong a couple of times, or you think you don't have what it takes to do it. And that's all made up. And, and I will say this, it's going to sound mean, but it's the truth. It's boring to be insecure.

And I'm saying that as a person who has been deeply boring about her insecurities for most of her life. It took me a long time to realize it, but ultimately you standing there picking at yourself and only being like, is my hair okay or whatever? It's a fucking bore. Bring more to the table. You know, like get some, get to an interesting trivia

and focus on other people. That will help you so much. Yeah. Let it, and let it go. Let it go. This idea of this person you're supposed to be, that you're not holding to anyone else. Yeah. You, you can try really hard to be perfect and it's not going to work.

And you're going to be unhappy and you're not going to be that fun to be around. And it's fucking struggle every day. Or you can let it go and do your best to be a good person and a good friend. And yeah, think of like, come someone you like. Become a person that you would want to be friends with, I think is the goal.

It's like, if you're going to go to say this future, a future party that will happen in five years. Like, because when thinking about like, what makes you not have self confidence? So is it like speaking to other people that you don't know at a party or is it something to do with work or whatever? Kind of figure out what the area is

that you've decided you are less than somehow in. And then work, you know what I mean? Like, if it's say it's a party, then go with like 10 topics that you could talk about that you could ask people, do you care about the Loch Ness monster? That right there is a fascinating thing to ask someone at a party,

as opposed to trying to stand and like look perfect or be something like that where it's like, or act cool, quote unquote, which by the way, if you think you're quote unquote acting cool, you are not. You're kind of a dick. I promise you, you're not cool. And it's like, and then people will come back later and be like, oh yeah, I remember meeting you,

you seemed like you seemed really unhappy or you seemed like that or something. Instead, it's like, if you can figure out how to focus on other people, I think that's the key. Definitely, I love that. How do you determine which story submissions you share during mini-soads? So that's from Erin.

We read them. So specific though. And so like, it has to be this like well-written actual story that has heart, the heart of the reader, the writer, and a fascinating story, right? Yeah, and I think sometimes like, yeah, I think if you write the hometown to try to sound like us to make us happy, we probably won't pick it

because that just sounds like us. And instead, if you write it, if we can get to know you through the way you tell your story, that's the most fun of all. And yes, and then also, if your story is good, then you're just off to the races. But I think sometimes people try to like please us with the presentation kind of instead of like,

I wouldn't, that doesn't happen that often, but I think it's like, that would be the thing that doesn't make me pick something is like, it doesn't sound genuine. Like, trust that you're interesting as you naturally write, because it is. Yeah. Be earnest and honest and talk about what you like

and you'll seem cool and interesting. And tell us what your grandparents' names are. Oh, yeah, that's tight. What sound or noise do you hate? Oh, wind chimes. For real? Yeah, they make me sad. I just remember coming home from school, after school.

No one was home in the house, because I was a f***ing lucky kid. And it would just be like, it'd be getting like dust. And then I could hear my neighbors wind chimes and it would just be like, you're alone, you're all alone. Where was Lee? Where was that? Lee was probably, you know, her friend's house

and Asher was probably at some like f***ing practice. You know, everyone kind of just did their own, we just, we all were all roommates and just did our own f***ing thing. Very independent. Yeah, so like all the lights in the house would be off and it would be getting dark, and then I'd hear wind chimes and I'd make you all sad.

Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. What about you? Hate, because I see, I grew up, my sister had misophonia growing up. So it's the thing where you, there's certain sounds that you hate. Or like a sensitivity to sound. So literally I could not eat cereal anywhere near her.

Anywhere near her. And any time I chewed gum, she would immediately be mad. So she had that thing where it was like, she could hear your like mouse sounds. Oh yeah, yeah. What I just did would infuriate my sister. So I think everything that's coming to mind is her thing. Because you're so like a tune to it.

It's just all her, it's all her problem. But I guess I would say like hate. Well, I really hate when like cars with loud mufflers on purpose go by. Like either motorcycles or the cars. Those make, it doesn't make sense to me. It's so rude, it's so rude. It's like setting off car alarms and waking up babies and stuff where it's just kind of like, just to do it

is it like, is it a biker thing of like, fuck you all have no muffler and you'll all pay? Is it that? I get when they're tuned up a little bit so that the cars can hear them. Like that's one reason that they do turn all that stuff up a little bit is so when you go by a car, they hear you.

And so they don't hate you. They know you're coming. But when they do it and when they're on the highway for the blind. But you know what I mean? Like I hear people are fucking stupid. They will, you know, so you can see even hear a car coming or the motorcycle coming. But when they do it just to like rev up and shit.

Those are the ones that there's, yeah, it's. But I'm trying to think of like. The, you know, what is, what is a nails on the chalkboard? Nails on the chalkboard. Type is like a similar thing like that. I thought of my answer. Oh, it's so obvious. I don't want to listen to 911 calls.

That's a thing I can't do. I was like, I know there's something that the second it starts, I go, don't turn it off, turn it off. And it's, um, yeah, any serial killer or any like criminal being reported and talking and any 911 call. I don't want to hear. I don't want to hear it. It's right there all along.

Okay. You want to do the last one? Yeah. Karen. Yes. It says, what is the most important thing you've learned from Georgia? Georgia, what's the most important thing you've learned from Karen? And that's from Elizabeth T.

First of all, I learned a lot of things from you, but I'm trying to think of what the most important. I think it's this. Honestly, you got to start, you immediately, if you, if you start a podcast, immediately start making merch immediately, merch, merch is it, merch is where it's at. Get on that. People want shirts, make shirts, get into merch.

Take it seriously. It's important. It's fun. It is fun. Yep. It's so fun. That's my favorite thing. I think from you.

We're real good new designs coming. Oh, that's right. We totally do. One thing we cry. Yep. Well, you did cry when we saw it. I loved it. I think I learned from you a very important thing

that I'm going to carry with me my whole life is how it's okay to and how to say no. Don't agree when you don't want to do something. I think I've been such a like, I don't want to disappoint anyone my whole fucking life. So I've been really, I've done things that I don't want to do. I've said yes to this, especially with work, you know, everything feels like dire and I have to do it to a point where I'm going crazy. But like, it's okay to say no. And I actually become less of a flaky person than a happier person because instead of saying

yes to something and then in a month being like, I don't want to do that. I'm flaking. Yes. That it's immediately like, that's, I know that's not something I want to do. Or I know that's not something that's going to make me feel good. And, and that people will hate you if you say no, like it's not a negative. And if they do, then that's their fucking problem, not yours. Yeah, they're probably a dick.

And also you, yeah, it's like, I, yeah, I learned, thank you. I learned that crucial thing long ago, which is the standard should be no. And you like, it has to be really good to say yes. Because what you do and your energy and your time and your attention matters and is valuable. And if you, if you have a thing where you're constantly people pleasing randomly, then anyone can, can like energy vampire you. Anyone can take anything and we'll always be able to manipulate you and like guilt quote unquote, guilt you.

And that shouldn't be an option for anyone except for like your favorite aunt and, you know, your sister or brother, you know what I mean? That's like, it's, it's, you have to have your inner circle. And then everything else is like, you don't owe anybody a favor. You don't owe anybody anything. It's just a good, I think it's good self preservation. Don't do it so much that you close down or, you know, like I can be, I can be very like, I'll fight immediately.

But that's just, you know, that's just how I was raised. You got, but it's also, but it's also like, it dilutes your yes. You say yes all the time. But yeah, it dilutes, it dilutes it dilutes. You know what I mean? Yes. Yeah. Whereas if you say no to things and are actually choosing things that matter to you and saying

yes to things that are important, then when you say yes to those things, it matters more. Yeah. In, in this cosmic way. And also it's just the, you know, whether, because this, we could be talking about like going to a party or doing someone's favor or doing a project or whatever, whatever it is, it's just you, you have to take it in and go, what, what do I really think you have to like take the pause and really go like, what's the, let's look at this. What would happen six months from now?

What's the bigger picture thing? And like actually weigh it all out in a serious way. It's good because then you're, then you're being strategic about your own life. Yeah. And there's a, there's an amount of yourself spiritually that you can give away that eventually it's going to hit a wall and you're going to be exhausted from doing things for other people constantly. It's going to spiritually deplete you.

Well, and also it's that support. If you keep on saying yes for that reason, it supports the belief the only good you are is of use to other people and that's incorrect. That's like your boundaries actually are what make people like you having the self respect to say no thanks and not right now makes people go, oh, okay. I can't just like walk right over that person. Yeah. It's, it's like a, it's a misconception.

I think that often a lot of women have that it's like, if I'm not nice and agreeable. Of service, of service to people. Yeah. That's just kind of a weird old idea that I feel like now young, young women of today are have that in hand, but you know, if you were raised by moms that were raised to believe that then like that's just you got, you got that lesson early and often, which is smile, make sure people like you make sure you're nice. Like it's this idea that you're supposed to be the kind of Applebee's hostess to the world

and that's fucking bullshit. Yeah. It's definitely built up my confidence for sure, being able to know my worth and know that I'm not worthless if I'm not of service just to whoever fucking wants it. Yeah. Which is not to say you can't be a slut. Get out there. Do what you want.

The point is do what you want, not what other people want. Right. Do what and who you want. Do what you like. Well, that's it. That's it. That was the Q&A. That was the Q&A.

That was so fun. Thanks for tuning in all you deep dark murderinos. Yes. Thank you, fan cult for asking great questions and thoughtful questions and plenty of snacks and food questions. That's right. Those are so many more questions than the last one day. I absolutely am going to buy a fried chicken hungry man dinner and try it out on your rec.

That sounds really fun. Brad. Yay. Thanks for listening. Thanks, Stephen. Good job. Good job. Everyone, you guys are the best.

Thanks for listening. Hope you're doing well in quarantine. Yes. Stay strong. Stay healthy. Stay sexy. And don't get murdered. Goodbye.

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