My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 242 - Spoilerama

Episode Date: October 1, 2020

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That's Karen Kilgarath. And this is a true crime podcast with some other talking in it. Lots of other talking. Mostly other talking. I mean, no, no, no. I think we're about half and half, depending on the week, depending on globally what's happening nationally and then of course locally, personally, right, mostly internally, you know, spiritually.

How was your young Kippur? Oh, thank you for asking. It was lovely. We, we, um, lightly celebrated, you know, may I ask, and I do apologize. Oh, you're, you know, I'm not going to be able to answer whatever it is. Well, no, no, it's a light one. Okay. But is this the atonement week?

Is this the atonement holiday? Or is that? So Russia, Russia, which is the new year. That's the new year. Yeah. And then I'm going to tell you all about what young Kippur is at the top of my head. Okay, it's weird because you're speaking kind of in a stilted way, but because it means a lot to me spiritually.

Oh, I see. And so you're getting emotional. It is. You are correct. Karen, it is known as the day of atonement. And it's actually Karen. You might not know this, but it's the holiest of the day of the year in Judaism. That's why I'm trying to keep my voice down.

Right. But I thank you for, I appreciate you, um, you know, respecting my hardcore religion. Right. And I have nothing to atone for, so I'm not as familiar with it. Oh, that must feel good. You know that? I'm the only one. You're just that one person that's kind of sin-free, not unlike my lord and savior, Jesus

Christ. You don't know anything about him. That's different. We'll talk about him on a different holiday weekend. Is it rude to call it a holiday weekend instead of a religious holiday? Not in America. It's not. I'm so, I'm so not Jewish that I never even took the days off of when I had a like desktop.

I wouldn't even take them off work because I'd be like, they know I'm faking it. It's like faking being sick, like you're faking being a Jew. You're not going to be able to accuse me of faking being a Jew when I'm doing that privately. Right. Yeah. Exactly. That's my personal life to fake. Looking back, I wish I had because, you know, I then later learned that like even Reformed

Jews, it's like you take the day off work to, um, to honor that holiday as you see fit. It doesn't have to be you in temple praying and shit. Hell yes. I'd faking take National Popcorn Day off if they let me. Whatever it takes to get out of that building, you do it, hash it in. It doesn't matter. Amen. You're Lord and savior.

Overrun. Canada. It's Boxing Day. I like maple syrup. I'll see you on Tuesday. Canadians love us. So we're basically Canadian. We're very similar.

Get that holiday girl. Well, thanks for asking. Absolutely. But did you find your skeleton? What? Hi. Did you find your giant skeleton? Conversation hike.

Uh, no, I, first of all, if we, I were to get that skeleton, I would absolutely give it to Katrina first because she won it first. Oh, that's okay. Our lawyer is a fucking like a Wiccan badass, which like, she or she just has great taste in home decor and loves Halloween, but I sent most people saw this happen and we've already talked about it on at least one of our podcasts, but they sell, but not anymore on at home because they sold out, but for $300, they had a 20 foot skeleton you could put in your front yard and somebody retweeted it on Twitter.

The second I put my eyes on it, something changed inside me. You could liken it to a religious experience, you could liken it to love at first sight. But I was overcome with a sense of security and a sense of that someone was going to defend me from all the terrible things in this world. And that was that 20 foot skeleton with light up blue eyes. I would like to, I would like to talk to and congratulate Sue in the buying department who was like, Hey guys, I have this great idea. I found these like 10 foot fucking glow in the dark eyeball skeletons and I'd be great

for Halloween and everyone was like, that's stupid. So they sold out immediately and she was like, what the fuck did I tell you guys? And she gets, I was like, buy more. Yes. Sue. Sue has been pitching this at like the Home Depot staff meetings and everyone's like, Oh my God, she's going to talk about the skeleton again. She's like, I think we need to get ready.

And this year's Halloween because it's been the scariest year we've ever had. It needs to be the scariest Halloween over the top. We go big over the roof line. We have to go. We need skeleton. Everyone drives a mini Cooper. How are they even going to get at home? Well, they are smart people.

They will figure it out. And they have the passion. If you're driving a mini Cooper, you have the passion of Jason Bourne. You're going to figure out a way to get that motherfucking skeleton back to your house. And they did. And they did. And now people are taking pictures of people who did and sending them to me on social media. Sue is getting a raise and we're really happy for her.

Or she quit. She was like, Oh, guess, guess what weekend it is, everybody? Yom Kippur. Where you guys have to fucking to tone from not believing in my skeleton idea. I got a call from Amazon and like, how about you come work here where you get fucking respected? I don't know. And I said, no, thank you because there's no workers rights or any kind of insurance. And they're evil.

And they actually would never treat me well. You know, I'm going to Lowe's. It's black owned. It is. There you go. They pay generously. We always have to put politics into it. Always.

We are just a broken. No, we're not. We're the only. They're the only record that's playing. That's right. The question is, what have you been watching on TV lately? Okay. Here we go.

Well, do we first talk about the new season of Fargo? Yes. Let's do it. Season four of Fargo, we watched. There's like two eight hour episodes just to like kick off with the whole time I was like, wow, holy shit, holy shit. I love it. Do you love it?

Or you love it so much. Okay. It's beautifully constructed. I the directing gets better every year. There was a couple of moves they did at the beginning not to be this much of a nerd, but I was just, I turned to my friend Charlie who was staying with me who also works in, he actually works in movies. And I was like, isn't here the, is the director, that's good.

And he's like, oh yeah, yeah, it's so good. And everyone was worried. I think from what I heard Chris Rock was worrisome because he's not an actor. But I was like, they don't put people in this. Every time they put someone in it, you go, wow, I didn't know that they could act like that. I'm not good at an actor or Ian McGregor could play that character. So I kind of was hoping that Chris Rock would be good.

Well, yeah. And obviously he knows, he has the will to succeed, but, but he's also been in a lot of like what he's not good in grownups three, like that's okay. So I think something like this, where he goes, I had the nervousness too because he overplays things like every stand up comic that ever does anything. It's like, watch me, he got all eyes on me. But to me, it really felt like he was in it to win an Emmy or two because the seriousness and the like, he's doing something and it's cool.

Do you know who I am going to say that I have not seen a movie that I have not liked this person in? And I'm going to fucking say that he's like, maybe one of the greats is Jason Schwarzman. I swear to God, name a movie that wasn't entertaining that he's been in as much as I can. I think people get annoyed by him because he plays kind of an annoying character sometimes, but he's always in really good movies and it can't just be a coincidence, you know? No, no, no. He has good taste and he's well because he's been like an it boy type, right?

Since because he's been since he's a teen and he's a copala. Yeah. Yeah. He's Hollywood stock. He's like low key Hollywood royalty. He's always been a little bit of a comedy guy, but also a hipster guy. No, he has, he makes good decisions. And also I have to say when I first saw him kind of acting, he had his hair forward, but

a hat on. And I was like, what's happening with this hair? Because I didn't get what his part was. And then when his hair, when that hat was off and he has like the fifties gangster hair, it worked for me. The whole situation was working like a goofball. You can't say I like, I like it. And then Jesse Buckley, she I'm suddenly intrigued with her ever since I saw her like

a month ago in I'm thinking of ending things, which she basically plays a similar unlikable character in she, you have to see her in the, and I recommend this to everybody all the time, but very few people listen to me on this one. But the Tom Hardy FX series taboo or taboo taboo taboo taboo. She plays a woman in it. And so it's the 1700s England or early 1800s England. I can't remember. Oh, yeah.

It's so good. And she is great. Is she? It's very serious. She's not the bar maid. Is she? No. I'm thinking of a different show.

I know. I don't think there's a bar. You're thinking of Cheers. That's Diane from Cheers. That's Shelley Long. Very different actress. Very different era. Okay.

But anyway, it's just a good thing if you're looking for something to watch and you like, if you like period pieces, if you like that good old snack Tom Hardy, it has everything really. I love her names, Mary Crutchfield, who is like the narrator and main character is just, I just want all her clothes and I just want to watch her and I'm, yes, she's, it's so, it's what a great entertaining role she's got. That's just like, I can't, it's so badass. It's so good.

Also that ending. Oh my God. And now I can't remember if it was the ending of the first episode or the second. And the door gets kicked in with the pie. Wait a second. Even when the girl, the actress who we're just talking about, the nurse is just standing in the window going, there's another episode on that's up. They put two episodes up.

Shit. Okay. So the ending. Yay, that's great. That's what I'm going to do after this. You have a two hours after this. The ending of episode one has such a scary, weird detail thing. That's one of my specific fears.

That's very, very random. What? Fast talking. It's that thing of like when the villain or the bad guy is like, like that, fast talking. Almost like speaking in tongues, but she's clearly talking to the house or, and did you catch that there was a guy standing in the street as the camera pan? I did, but okay. I'm going to just, this is a little bit of a spoiler, but we know he's in it.

At the end of the next episode, surprise Timothy Oliphant fucking fade to black. That's it. Okay. Can I tell my Timothy Oliphant story? Yeah. That's great. Yes. It was at a party, a fancy party everybody goes to every year that I'm friends with.

And my friend, Tracy Gatsky was there with him because they worked on the Santa Clarita diet together. So he showed up and was with my friend and me and. A casual Timothy Oliphant plus one, no big fucking deal. They just walked up into our circle of talking and me and my friend, Kevin, who used to watch Deadwood and like drink whiskey together and a whole, we have a whole history. Just turned to each other and he's like, Oh my God, he's coming over right now. We were freaking out.

And then we basically were pretending to talk to each other while we ease dropped on what he was saying to everybody else. And eventually, you know, five minutes past and that conversation wound down. And then we kind of very casually turned to the group like we were going to join it again. And then he looked, Timothy Oliphant looked at Kevin and I went, what are you two doing over there? And it was because you were not maybe casual, probably no, no, not at all, but also so exciting to have direct focused attention from that man who has played some of the sexiest yet

scariest most sociopathic characters in movies. And then some of the greatest heroes pretend to ignore him in the conversation. He just immediately was like, let's I'm talking at you. Let's do this. What are you guys doing? Yeah, exactly. And I was just like, yes, thank you, sir. And then conceptually, I can remember the names of actors or like in this in private

conversation, which is public, which is our job. This is private. This is actually private. Is this private? Is this the one that goes out or the other one? But in reality, in that situation where it's someone of his level, because I think he is a brilliant actor, I think he has nuts range, but and then all the time sexy, like no matter what he's doing, and to have I just immediately go kind of 2D flat and just have nothing

to say and can't think of anything. I love it. I love it. I love when friends change and I'm with them around dudes and I just want to fuck with them so hard. Like, Karen, Karen, tell them about that time you know, that's all it. Then it's just that because what then what are you going to do? All my brain will let me do in that situation and say, what the fuck are you going to say

in this moment that's going to make you seem anything more interesting than the average person at fucking the container store? Not one thing. Was he tall? How tall was he? He was same height as everyone else in the circle. Okay. Okay.

Yeah. He was regular. Like all all actors are it's like you turn this the size down three. So there's not six to. There's actually five, nine or 10, which is five, nine or 10. And that's what this guy was. It was just like regular height, whatever, manly height and age range kind of reedy. He was definitely wearing like a Henley from what I remember, but that could also be what

his costume was on Deadwood. Just far as I'm from the trailer, wardrobe tail, everyone was attracted to this man in our talking circle. That's all I have to say. I wasn't alone. Well, Fargo reminds me of Boardwalk Empire a lot and I'm really excited about it. Hated to see all those Jewish people get fucking mowed down as a Jewish person. That was not my favorite thing to see.

How about a wilderness of error on FX? Did you watch that? I haven't watched it yet. Did you watch it? Yes. And I was really nervous. So it's about, it's like a documentary. I don't know if Aaron Morris made it, but he's definitely interviewed in it, who is

like. He wrote the book. Yes. And he's like obsessed with this case. I am so obsessed with him. He is a fucking treasure. Yeah. I adore him.

And the Jeffery MacDonald case I've, I covered for the show once in some episodes. For the show, my favorite murder. For the show, my favorite. I might have heard of it. And so I felt like I know everything about it already. There's nothing you can tell me. There's no new details that they've uncovered, maybe. And so I was a little worried, but it's fucking good.

It is fucking good. And it is like, I just forgot how crazy it is. The father-in-law, so that the Collette, the wife who was murdered. The father-in-law is the one who goes fucking nuts. And originally was supporting Jeffery MacDonald saying my son-in-law would never do this. And then he fucking, I mean, and it's her, it's her stepdad. It's not even like, which show your, so you're like, what's happening? But he's so passionate and he's like, I'm going to, he devotes his life to getting

this fucking guy who killed his daughter and grandchildren. And it's like hardcore, man. It's good. I can't wait to watch it. You just, it's the kind of thing, it almost feels like end of semester final kind of thing where it's like, here's the true crime case. What do you know about it? Well, what you know is wrong.

And then you, that's wrong too. It's like one of those things where, yeah, it's just kind of the deepest of dives into how, how these cases get fucked up, how this system doesn't work. To me, it's not about as innocent or guilty because the physical evidence, he's guilty as fuck. What it is, is the trials and them trying to get justice afterwards. That is the story. Does Earl Morris think he's guilty or innocent?

I don't know. He hasn't said, if he doesn't, like, there's no way Earl Morris thinks he's fucking innocent. I know, I'm just guessing that, but like, you know, there's fibers underneath the wife's body that are clothing from that, the pajamas that Jeffrey McDonald was wearing. Like there's those things and there's, you know, everyone had a different blood type. So they know that the blood type B was in this room and it shouldn't fucking be there because he and the children are laying on their sides and he said he gave them fucking mouth to mouth.

And why are they on their sides? If that's the case? You know, it's like shit like that. That's just like, I fucking think he did it. But who knows? Yeah. I want to see it. And also just because I, everything else Earl Morris makes is innovative.

It's fascinating. It's all about the study of human personality. The stuff that makes us feel like weirdos, he's just like, but let's get into it. Yes. No, he's, he's very good at what he does. I can't wait to watch. Yeah. That goes on my list.

You definitely, you guys will love it. And then Fargo episode two. Yeah. God. What else? I really miss that one. So wait a second. They released two at the beginning to get you kind of going on your binge.

I think so. You know how they do that where they're like, the first two episodes on Cutter or whatever the fuck. I don't know. Uncensored. It's triple X Fargo. I finally watched the final episode of Love Fraud. Oh yeah.

Dude. Right. The last half hour. Spoilerorama, obviously this entire section, but fucking twitchy McGee over here. What the shit? He only, he, oh, look, this is the thing that we do. I'm going to say this in the beginning of this. This is the thing that we do.

Well, we are quarter, we are armchair quarterbacks about true crime, things we watch. Our opinion is not based in science. It's not based in, it's based in things I overheard my mom say around the kitchen table. We're passionate fucking spewing out of our faces. That's all it is. And pure opinion. Yeah. And I will say this.

Okay. That man talking to camera and only blinking with a one eye like a Gila monster and calling her the wrong name multiple fucking times. Did you notice that? I thought he was calling her Rachel. Heidi, let me tell you. He calls her Heidi a couple of times. He calls her the wrong name a couple of fucking times in that like weird, I had to, could

there have been two there, two documentary filmmakers, okay, but why would they? Maybe. Okay. Go on. Just saying. Just saying. Maybe. Maybe.

But the amount, you're, but you're right in what I did notice the amount of times he used the name. Talk about a red flag. Do we ever talk about that as a red flag? If someone who are trying to convince you of something and they repeat your name over, they start in an unnecessary way. Yeah. And it's like, oh, okay, Karen, let me tell you about this thing I saw.

Like, I don't need to, I'm fucking addressing you. You know, I'm talking to you. You can feel the connection we have while we're speaking to each other, to each other, and you know, when we are disengaged, I think people like that don't. And also they're trying, they're looping you back in to Georgia. The thing I'm convincing you of Georgia, like pinning you down like an insect on a piece of paper is what he's picturing it as. Meanwhile, he's got this, he basically looked like a ghoul.

He looked like he was doing an impression of a cartoon of Dracula with his hands kind of wrapped around it under his chin. Oh, the chin. Remember when he's this with his like, his fingers under his chin like weaved together, like he's a fucking baby doll taking like a baby, getting his baby picture taken as a 60 year old man. It was just one of the weirdest. And then at the very end, how do you see this ending?

He said to the interviewers, oh, God, how did you guys see this ending? Oh, he says that. Yes. And then when he gets out of jail and they have footage of him with, yeah, with a new lady. Oh, it's so hard to watch that because you're like, how does anyone believe in love, believe in love ever again and trust ever, ever. How do you ever have an experience?

Well, I'll say this. If you're having an experience like that where someone wants to get married and start a crab restaurant with you within three weeks, run for the fucking hills because what's about to hit you, you don't even ever seen the likes of. The problem is that you see shows like that and then you're in something with a person three months in, really having a good time and going, when is the other sugar drop? Well, Vince moved in with me three months into our relationship. So like, is that true?

Yeah. Like, I know. And I got engaged once three months into the relationship. I shouldn't, looking back, I should have questioned that one. Luckily. You ended up doing it because you didn't marry that guy. Right. So it was a bad thing to do and he ended up being someone I wouldn't have married once

I knew him for a couple of years. You know what I mean? But Vince's not. So, and Vince didn't have a, it wasn't like Vince moved out of his, okay. So it's just hard to tell when you're younger and you fall in love immediately and it's passion, exciting, just, you know, just don't let that cloud your future judgment. So like, just don't let your checking account get involved. Yes.

That's all. And if they suggest it, say no. And if, and then you can see what that reaction looks like. If Vince and I got married or fucking checking accounts weren't, I just don't need to do that. You know? It's not crucial. And also it's nice that someone believes in your dreams and wants your dreams to come

true. Your crab shack. But, but a crab restaurant, 3,000 miles inland, yeah, if they really loved you, they would have said, we're not going to open that crab shack because it's fucking doing well. It's doing well. Is it? It looked it up. It could be COVID.

I mean, really. I mean, the entire story, it did great. So the whole thing could have been fake. I will say too that Vince and I, we moved it, we moved quickly, we moved in three months into it. And then we didn't get married. We got married like three years in. So it wasn't like, look, none of us think it's going to work out.

And it's really expensive to live in El, wait, what? I did not catch that. I love that you're just, you had to come back around and make your excuse of why it was an okay idea for you guys to get. I think whatever you did worked. I think you're okay. You're in the clear. Yes.

Finally, six years in, I can take a deep breath. You're waiting for me to drop that other two. After this podcast is episodes up, I go upstairs in the whole fucking living room and cleared out and Vince is gone. It was like, oh my God, he was ready this whole time. There's just one light bulb just like in the second bridge. Swearing and Elvis is like, I tried to stop him. Dude.

I tried to get him. He took me with him. He took, he even took the, uh, what's it like, Mimi? He took me. The roast beast. He took the roast beast. He took me. Me.

I'm just equating it to the Grinch. Yeah. She has the roast beast. Oh, happy Yum Kapoor to me. Am I right? Oh, this is the worst Yum Kapoor mystery. This Yum Kapoor vacation weekend. It's Tuesday guys.

It's Tuesday. What did I want to, our good friend Skip Hollingsworth, who is a true crime writer, whose stories we have used and featured and who has been on live shows with us, a live show. The girls are just the greatest. Okay. So he started a new podcast called Tom Brown's body. The people from Texas monthly are putting out this podcast, which is so smart of them.

They have so much amazing true crime content. They have had such, they've been paying great true crime writers for years and years and years and they're having them tell their own stories. It's so cool. So, uh, listen to Tom Brown's body, um, with, which is, I guess the Texas monthly network. Wow. And that's, if it's his story, you know, it's going to be worth your time. And we've met him.

He's a gem. His daughter is a gem. We met them backstage in Texas, right? In Dallas. That's right. Outside Dallas, maybe. I can't remember which one either. I miss traveling.

Okay. Um, I had, I had some news, which was pretty exciting to be, um, formed by, um, a listener named Zara Sheldrake, who let us know, she sent us a picture that our book is number one on Amazon in the pornography biography section. What? How? What are you? Where?

What? I don't know. Zara just tweeted a picture and said, I was thinking about buying this book, but no, I'm not so sure. Oh my God. It's pornography. I don't know. Biography.

Pornography, biography section. So clearly we're either getting trolled. People are being funny. Who knows? I did talk about my nipples getting pierced in it. So. There's definitely a lot of smut in that book for sure, but I feel like I'm sure Stormy Daniels has a book out that should be number one.

Absolutely. I don't want to be going up against any of our sisters out there who are just trying to write their story and get the good word out. So, um, put us back in, wasn't it like anxiety? We were in the like, uh, self-help and anxiety section. Self-help, anxiety and complaining. I think that's our real category. That's our real category.

Originally. That's right. So our paperback is a paperback of stay sexy, don't get murdered is coming out in May and I think you can pre-order it now, which I guess that's so far away. I don't understand books. Do you know when it's coming out in May 20? I think your birthday. It's on my birthday.

May 11th, 2021 and it's going to have bonus content in it and you're like, well, when you find out you're going to be stoked, you're going to, we can't see. We can't tell you we're putting out a mini CD of songs like this to make the whole event is going to come hang with us. What are you two talking about? And we're like, well, you don't even know because you're not particularly tall or short, but I think Georgia, I don't mean to, I see that character as your backup singer character because the way you're kind of like doing some shoulder shimmies, shimmies, but then

you're also, you're, it's a lead part because you're, that what you're singing is really telling a story. I don't know what the, who that was just now. That was Georgia to small white one, Italian white wine, sparkler, you can cans in and I like her. Hey. Hey. Italian white wine.

Hey. I'm Jason Cortsman's wife in a movie. Can I please be, do you know that the reason, one of the reasons I was late to our recording this evening is because I had to update my phone because there's new, a new set of emojis that are available now and one of them is the Italian, oh my God fingers, the Italian, you're doing it right now. It's like you make your hand into a little tight little, the Italian, I think they call them the kiss fingers.

The Italian kiss. Oh, hey. Oh, you can have those now. Thank God. I've been waved enough. Just enough way. Wait. Okay.

The fact that I didn't lead with this is hilarious, but it's because it's a, it's a corrections corner. Oh my God. I have never seen more corrections on anything than this one. On this one. And I, I heard it wrong. I heard what you meant to say. Thank you.

Which is why we're the same frame. Zoom works. If you work it, um, I was, and I, and I'll tell you this, that I absolutely accept people tweeting at me, letting me know when I make mistakes, but I want you to know, it's a really, this one's a funny mistake, but I just want you to know that if you're the first person who lets me know, if I find out from you personally that, that I made this mistake, any mistake, I hate you just so you know, so you can absolutely tell me and you can be, you can try to hedge it and whatever, but I will absolutely look at your name.

I will look at the avatar or whatever they call it, the icon that you use. And I will emotionally block you forever. So you know who you are. The first person. It was a guy who did it first. So can I be with a guy? That's a Robbie. Robbie.

The guy who let me know this first, I was positive. Of course it was a guy. I was, yes, of course, because I was so, I remember doing that little speech and being so proud about running that string of words together. Well, tell everyone what it is because I think. I was trying to, when I was explaining the terrible Ilan school story last week, or yes, to Georgia, you were, you were just like, so the kids are in charge and I was like, yes, it was like a private for-profit Lord of the Rings situation, but I knew you meant

Lord of the Flies. And that's what I heard. That's not. That's not for you. But apparently that's not what you said. It's not what I said and it's not what a bunch of people who love to look for mistakes heard because they were just like, I thought I'd simply die when I heard you say, Lord of the Rings.

Which is so stupid. Which is so stupid. But the visuals everyone was explaining was so fucking hilarious though, like it got very funny when it was like. All kids for-profit Lord of the Rings. You don't want to see that shit. That's magical over there. That's not fucking gruesome and smelly.

Well, it's a little smelly. That's pretty smelly. I will say this, anytime when we haven't pre-agreed that we're only going to do one story and my story is nine pages long, I try to go as fast as I humanly can. I should have stopped you and been like, we're only doing this one. Yeah. So it was just like, I was just like, no time. I'm sure you have something to say.

No time. I have to keep going. And yeah. Thanks everybody for reminding me that my brain is slowly turning into Swiss cheese. For comedy. Okay. Wait, there's a new show. Okay.

That I have to tell you about. Okay. It's called Pottery Throwdown. Oh. And it's only on HBO Max, which is really hard to access and infuriating that they don't just make it a regular streaming channel. There's a Pottery Throwing Competition show. Yeah.

And it's British. Aw. And it's just like the Great British Bake Off Breaking Contest. It's a nine-night time. But in a good way. It's a nine-night. In such a good way. And then, but also, have you ever considered making pottery?

Yes, I did it. I've never thought. Did you really? Yeah. In high school, they had, I had fucking obviously lived in an affluent town. They, in Irvine, shockingly, there was a pottery class and with this hippy fucking clearly stoner teacher. Did you get to work the wheel?

Yeah. Because you were like a junior, they let you use the wheel and it is the, it's exactly what you think it's going to be like on Ghost. It's fucking awesome. And there's places now around town that before COVID that you can go and throw, learn how to throw pottery. It's really fun. Yeah.

Pretty easy. It looks amazing. It doesn't seem easy at all with the stuff they were doing. It's not easy to make basic shit, to make complicated, beautiful stuff. It's hard. But like, just to make, I have my mom cleaned out her storage recently and was like, here's all your pottery from high school. And I was like, I don't want it.

I know. I threw a lot of it away, which I felt sad about, but I kept one thing. It's really ugly. Is it an ashtray made of coiled up snakes? That's my favorite pottery. No. That's what I can do. You can do that.

I can roll out some clay into like eight snakes and then you coil them all up and you smoke right into them. I think we need to get you a pottery wheel for your garage just so that Karen can like go live her best life, put on a moomoo, go out there, and fuck you. You know what? Fuck you for the last three words that you just used that you wanted one, not a moomoo. A captain. I meant a captain.

And then a captain. Too late. You fucked that up really badly. So me living my best life is me going alone into my garage in a moomoo. Absolutely not. I'm picturing you living in Eugene, Oregon, and like a tone, a tone for what you've done. I will a tone by telling you again that Kevin Bacon follows us on Instagram. I just want to bring some light and love, some light and love into your life.

And you can't get mad when Kevin Bacon. Beautiful left turn. Thank you. You know what? There's nothing more satisfying to a person like myself who's lived in Hollywood for so long, who's dreamed of Hollywood for so long, who's been, who was a child of the eighties, then to have a podcast that someone the likes of the great Kevin Bacon's too. Or at least follows us on social media.

Maybe he doesn't listen to the podcast. Why did he follow? Like he follows my favorite murder, which is like, I don't think you follow podcasts unless you listen to them. You maybe follow whatever. What if he is weird? But he's married to, he probably is, but he's married to Kira Sedgwick, who seems like a sweet baby angel.

Like, how could you be weird? I mean, look, it wasn't a sincere question. Well, listen, I'm glad we moved past that. When you said we were going to wear a moomoo. Yeah. Did you see that there's a dog grooming contest show now too? Yes. Is it Top Dog?

And friend of the podcast, Jess Rona from Jess Rona Grooming is one of the hosts, judges. Oh, cool. And she's awesome. And she's really, really good at her job. She's a judge probably because the host is Matt Rogers, who's a comic. And then there's two judges and she's one of them and she's definitely a friend of the family. Nice.

What a family. We're starting to build here. I like, are you supposed to like your family? Because what a magical assortment of family members that I'm not used to. This is a new sensation completely for me is like, I like my family. No, I love my family. Really quickly. Have you watched or did we already talk about, stop me, we've talked about this.

Have you watched P Valley? P Valley. Down in the valley where the girls and make it. Have you? No. It's a show on stars, I believe. It stands for Pussy Valley and it's about strippers in a fictional town in Mississippi. That sounds fun.

So good. Okay. It's so good. You have to see it. And they're British. No. But because you're such a fan of, I think, is it called pole dancing or is it like is there's some unbelievable pole dancing in it?

I love that shit. The shit where they clump, one climbs up and they stand on the girl in the middle and then the girl underneath is pretending like she's standing on upside down. That is not shit. Have you ever seen that shit? That is acrobatics. That's not. It is.

It's amazing. Cirque desolation. It's so crazy. Time and effort it takes and fucking, what's it called when you have muscles on your stomach? Core. Oh, core. The core it takes to be able to do that is incredible. It's nuts.

Yeah. I love that. And the show itself is fascinating and it's like, it's really good. Hardcore respect. It's P-Valley if you're looking for. P-Valley. I'm so in hardcore respect to this. That's just, it's unbelievable.

Yeah. Oh, can we do a merch corner real quick? Please. We now have it for like a Halloween or if you're just year-round goth or metal, spooky Halloween. We have spooky Elvis merch. It's this glow in the dark design of Elvis as like a zombie cat, right? Would you say?

Yeah. Or it is a little bit like black metal by makeup either black, death, death, dark, black, gothie, hot topic, metal, topic, what's that pocket? Yes. So there's a T-shirt, there's a three quarter length sleeve, fucking a zip up hoodie that Karen was like, I don't want, I want a hoodie with nothing on the back. Can I have a fucking for once in my life? Ladies.

Okay. Here's the logic that I use because everyone's like, no, we like, we like a hoodie with a design on the back. And I was like, great. And, and we do those. But every once in a while, a gal like me wants to wear a black sweatshirt that doesn't have a big sign that says, stare at my big wide back on it. And instead, what I would like is plain black on the back, which they let me have on this

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And you don't have to compromise on that just because you're going to the store. Get this sweatshirt. Express yourself. And also back me up that we don't always want some big old, like, dishonor ads on the back of a sweatshirt. Like, look at this thing instead of my butt or whatever, look at this thing. So while you're there, we have the my favorite murder, black and white logo pin and the my favorite murder, stay sexy face mask and both of the proceeds for both of those go to really

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Yeah. Look, yeah, look who's selfish now, bitch. You just got a pin and a mask. Proceeds of which. Thank you. All right. So it's my turn this week. It's your turn this week.

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Georgia, do you, do you feel ready to deliver the solo story of this week? I'm ready. It's a heavy hitter, but I think for me and it'll be for you too. And a lot of people are age who I want to be like, I can't believe we haven't done this, but we haven't because it's hard because this is a case that I think for a lot of us kind of made us into murdering us and like made us obsessed with true crime and really affected our, our childhood, our lives, our parents' lives. But there's a lot of twists and turns that I kind of haven't been following because it's

so hard to talk about, but this is the story of Adam Walsh. Have you not done this before? I haven't. Or have I not done this before? I checked it. Did you? There was a hometown. No, no, no, no, there's, but I may have done it at a live show and then it just never

aired. Shit. Steven. Well, Steven, you let us know. There was a listener, there was a listener mail. I know that happened in like early on. But did you do it in Florida when we were in Florida? I don't think so.

I don't think you guys did it at a live show. I feel like that would stick out. In episode four, you guys talk about it as part of a listener story. So that's maybe what you're thinking of because we definitely didn't do it in Florida because we put out all the Florida episodes. Oh, okay. Leave that, leave this in. Maybe it's the oddest tool.

It might be the oddest tool. I bet. I bet that's what it is. Okay. Go ahead. Leave that all in. Amazing. This is the behind the scenes of my favorite murder is, oh my God, I think I did that one

and I have a panic attack here. Let me do that again. Okay. Here's my reaction. Ooh. Yeah. A classic. That's what I was hoping for.

Like, oh, I can't believe you're going there or whatever. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. That's a big one. Thank you. Obviously so much information to be gathered from this. I got information from a time article by Olivia B. Waxman, Investigation Discovery article

by Catherine Townsend, Miami Herald article by David Smiley, and then Bizarrepedia, Wikipedia, and Uproxx article by Daniel Figueroa, Palm Beach Post by David Smiley, and Arthur J. Harris. There's a podcast called True Murder with a really interesting interview in it that I listened to. Before we get into how much this changed our entire fucking way of lives as people, right? Yeah. Let's talk about Adam Walsh himself.

So, he was born on November 14th in 1974. He's six years old at this point we're talking about. He's an only child and lives in Hollywood, Florida with his parents, John, and Ravel Walsh. He's a typical kid in the early 80s, obsessed with baseball and Star Wars. He's described as sweet and happy, you know, at the time, I'm younger than him. So I always thought of him as his big kid. But now that I have nephews, he's just a little kid, you know? He's a baby.

He's a little baby. That's a baby. So, July 27th, 1981, it's a typical summer day for Adam. He's on summer break before starting second grade. He's accompanying his mom on some errands. And around noon, they end up at the Hollywood, Florida mall. And Ravel wants to check out some lamps that were for sale at Sears. So they go into Sears and Adam spots a display in the toy department where the new Atari

2600 video games are set up for kids to try. Remember all that? The kiosk where I was like, fuck and do this. Also Atari, when Atari came out, so I'm basically, I'm older than you guys and, you know, he's older than you. And so he's younger than me. But you don't understand before video games. And then when video games came out, it was the strangest, most exciting thing.

And then the fact that it was like Atari at home, and then Atari basically, it was like Pong at home, and then Atari, and then it just kept going up and getting better. Like by huge stride, like between Pong and Atari is a fucking, it should be 50 years, but it's not. Yeah. So usually you can only play those games at like pizza arcades and shit, pizza rates. It's like the idea that they had as a thing set up at Sears would be so exciting to a little kid free.

It's not that many people have them. Yeah. It's a big. So this was just at the dawn of them realizing they should be marketing things to kids. Exactly. So it was everywhere in our culture. Yeah. And like any normal little boy, he sees this display and he's like, I want to, I want to

try or I want to watch. Like I just, it doesn't matter. Like my brother would hang out at the fucking arcade all day, who's basically the same age as Adam and would just watch other kids play video games. Absolutely. That was enough for them, you know. Hell yeah. It was so exciting.

So there's a few older boys taking turns playing the game and Adam wants to watch. So Reve told him to stay there while she, it was like a couple aisles down. She's going to hop over a few departments over to check out the lamp. And that's a totally normal thing back then. And it doesn't seem that weird to me even now, you know, it's like, stay here, watch this video game, watch these kids. There's other kids alone playing. I'm literally three aisles over.

I'll be back in 10 minutes, it's not, you can't judge her for that, you know, especially back then. Not at all. Not, especially not back then. Yeah. Not back then at all. In these days, because of this boy, what happens to this boy, it would never happen. If you asked my sister when Nora was six, if she ever would go, stay here, I'll be right

back. That would have never happened. Primarily like you say, because of this case. Right. So, studying this, I text my sister and I was like, can you just do me a favor and never let the kids out of your fucking sight ever again, please? Like, she's like, I'm not letting them out of my sight till he's 20. Period.

She's like, got it. Yeah. She's like, no shit, Georgia. I love my child. Parent. My children. Okay. Sounds good.

So Adam watches these older kids, Reve goes to shop and around 1230 or so, Reve finishes her shop shopping and goes back over to the Atari display. And when she gets there, Adam and the other boys are all gone and this is according to one story. If you ask other witnesses, there's a whole nother story of what actually happened. She grabs a store manager and they find the security guard on duty and the security guard tells her that an argument had broken out with the older boys over who's turn it was. So the security guard just kicked everyone out was like, is your mom here?

And they were like, no. And maybe Adam was too young to speak up and a little scared. So they all got kicked out of the store under the sidewalk where the parking lot is. Yeah. Which is any six years old, I think in my mind, I've always been like, what the fuck is wrong with that security guard? That's so screwed up. I can't believe that happened to that.

Then while researching this, I find out that the security guard is a 17 year old girl. Right. It's like, that's, that's the reality of it. Yes. It almost sounds like she was a, like a shot, one of the secret shoppers looking for people stealing shit. It's not even like she's a security guard. So that person must have some huge guilt and it's clearly not her fault.

Well, yeah. And also that's, I doubt they're training 17 year old security guards of any kind in any way to be handling like, right. Any kind of bullshit like this, like that's, you know, and they are the way to handle it is if their parents aren't there and they can't get in trouble, kick them out. Like that's what you did. Right. So by now the kids are all outside and the Sears parking lot.

And that's when they believe the older boys, whose parents weren't there, must have, you know, wandered off leaving Adam outside by himself. And so Reve begins searching the store for Adam. She's freaking out, of course. She has him paged over the public address system multiple times. But after more than 90 minutes searching for him and in the mall, attached mall, she turns up nothing. So she has them called the Hollywood police at 1.55 pm.

Eventually helicopter and ground searches ensue and the whole town, I mean, you know, and Florida, it's, I think back then these kinds of things were local. They weren't national yet. So in Hollywood and around the surrounding area, they're all freaking out. But just after four days, the two dozen police officers assigned to the case had basically quote, hit a wall. There was just nothing. But then on August 11th, the Walsh's who are frustrated at this point with the lack of

progress in the case and hoping for any leads, they decided to go on Good Morning America, which is not a national show, to appeal for help. And the photo that they use of Adam, which we all fucking remember and it's seared in our heads, he's this adorable freckle face kid, he's missing two front teeth. He's holding his baseball bat and his like little league pick. It's like the most, John says it's the most recent photo of him, so they use it. And they, and the photo becomes known across the country at this point. And they announced a hundred thousand dollar reward for the return of safe return of Adam.

But meanwhile, and I hadn't known this, that morning, John and Reve had gotten a call while they're getting ready to go on Good Morning America at their New York hotel from investigators letting them know that just the night before a child's severed head had been found by fishermen floating in a drainage canal off the floor at a turnpike horrifying. So like they had to decide if they were going to come home to ID this, or they're going to go on Good Morning America and try to get more traction because they were already unhappy with how the Hollywood police department was handling the case. So they, you know, I think we're like hoping it wasn't him, let's go on anyways, because

even if it is him, then we're still going to need any tips we can get. And also, so the canal was a hundred and about 120 to 130 miles from Hollywood. So they were, I think, hoping it wasn't him. So they go on the show and meanwhile, send a family friend to ID the remains who's traumatized to this day. So sadly, the recovered remains are identified as Adams and the coroner rules that the cause of death is asphyxiation. And the state of the remains suggests Adam had died several days before the discovery

of the head, most likely pretty close to when he disappeared, which we now know is pretty common for child abductions by strangers. The rest of his body is never recovered. The mobilization to find Adam Walsh followed by the discovery of his murder creates this massive fucking panic and alarm in the US about stranger danger. You know, as I said, normally it was like if something happened in your county, you knew about it. Everyone panicked in the county, but outside of it, no one had ever fucking heard about

this kid who went missing. It wasn't a thing. But so because, you know, John and Reve were so determined and had these connections, they were able to make it national, a national story. But Adam is in the first kid to disappear and cause panic in the American public two years before. Another six-year-old named Eton Patz had disappeared while walking the two blocks to his school bus stop in the Soho neighborhood of Manhattan.

And it was the first time his mother had ever let him walk to the school bus stop on his own. That story is the set. Didn't you do Eton Patz or did I? I think I think he's been in a bunch of stories we've done, but I don't think we've done that. But I definitely know that one because it's so, again, it's another one of these very early missing child cases that went national, that went, and then the details of it are so incredibly tragic and just so difficult.

Unbearable sadness to them. And I'll tell you what happened. I have him later in the story as well. But I think I wonder if like the fact that he was in Manhattan, which in the late seventies wasn't the safest place to be made, people nationally be like, well, I live in a small town. I don't have to worry about stuff like that. So when the Adam Walsh goes missing from this, what was known as kind of a small town feel

of Hollywood, people kind of paid more attention to it, which is super sad. You know what I mean? Well, but is that true? Because I think it was John Walsh's connections that got him on national television. I think if the Patzes could have, I'm sure they were on local TV, but it's like, that's an incredible connection to have that basically puts you right to the front of the line in terms of crimes like that. Absolutely.

So Eton became one of the first children to be profiled on the photo on a milk carton campaign of the early eighties, which is another cause for everyone freaking out about child abductions. And the concept of stranger danger became all the rage with the idea that all adults not known to the child must be regarded as dangerous. And I watched some videos from back then of like stranger danger. And like they do these fake, you know, hey kid want to come play ball? And it's just like absurd and weird and like not at all what really fucking happens to

children for the most part. Yeah. Except for the differences in the seventies, there was no regard for children staying away from adults in any way. So basically they had to make a flip and make it be like, hey, can you stop trusting anyone that has a puppy that is asking for your help that like all that shit candy or wants to befriend you? I, I, I understand, but I don't think this is the same as like, say, tannic panic, right?

Because this was basically like, we could be protecting our kids way better and people should be because you shouldn't other adults shouldn't be able to like hit your kids or discipline your kids. And it's all that kind of thing of people starting to really go, oh yeah, no, how about I'll take care of my kids and you don't worry about it. It's almost like there was an overcorrection, which was okay because there was a lack of correction to begin with. Yeah.

Yeah. The overcorrection was then projecting this idea that the danger was everywhere and your children should never leave the house. Right. Right. And like even not to say women can't be predators as well, but just like, you know, the life, don't trust the librarian or, you know, that kind of thing of like an overcorrection. Yeah.

So kids were being taken to the police station to be fingerprinted. I know Vince told me when he was a kid and they went, which was like the early eighties and they went trick-or-treating, they, every kid in town then had to take their candy to the police department to be, what's it called, X-ray to make sure, you know, there's no drugs or whatever. And it was just like this panic for sure. And also I was thinking about the fact that in 1979 and 1980, the Ted Bundy's trials were going on and those were like national and huge.

So people were realizing that the charming, attractive person who could easily lure women away was not, you know, was existed. He was a psychopath too. It wasn't just the fucking lurchy, creepy dudes, you know. Right. Yes, exactly. Yeah. There's the wolf in sheep's clothing everywhere.

Right. So I think people were just like suddenly stunned. So Eton's case would remain cold for decades. And meanwhile, Adam became the new poster child for activists that had started a movement in the 1970s to stop, quote, child snatchers. But those activists had focused their efforts on kids who were taken by a family member in a custody dispute or children who had run away from home, which is the main cause of kids going missing.

In fact, a 1990 study of child abductions found that 99% of them were family related. But either way, they were frustrated by police department sluggish responses to the case. You know, at the time, as we've talked about, there was a 72 hour waiting period before they do anything to help find the kid, like an eight year old, a 10 year old. He's a runaway. We can't do anything for 72 fucking hours. And once they did something, they wouldn't notify police even one town over have any coordinated search going on.

And of course, we now know that if a child is actually taken by a predator, the first three to four hours are the most crucial or 24 hours to the kid's safety. So John and Reve did personally believe that the Hollywood police department botched the treatment of Adam's disappearance at first. They were fucking unhappy. And then the investigation into his murder, they thought was botched as well. And John refers to them as Keystone cops in his book, Tears of Rage, his like first book about it.

And actually in August 27th, after the discovery of the head, Hollywood police said they are quote stumped and they scaled back the investigation to two detectives saying, quote, it can't go on forever. So like clearly they're inexperienced or they're insensitive or they're not good or they just don't want to ask for the help of the FBI, which is how they get involved. Then in October of 1983, about a year and a half after Adam's disappearance, this fucking creepy drifter named Audis Tool, who we've talked about, who was by then an inmate in Florida in a Florida prison for two unrelated murders.

He starts confessing to the kidnapping and murder of Adam Walsh. Audis Tool was born in 1947 and raised in Jacksonville, Florida. He reportedly had an IQ of 75. And by the time he confesses, Audis Tool had already been suspected of various murders along with his accomplice, Henry Lee Lucas, I highly recommend the confession killer on Netflix because it'll show you what a fucking farce and what a complete fuck up this entire, these two criminals, you know, it's just, it's horrifying how many cases they were able to confess to and got away with, even though it was false confessions.

So according to Tool's confession, which was made, by the way, the day after the made for TV movie about Adam Walsh came out. So basically he in prison probably saw that movie, found out any details he could about the movie. And the next day was like, Oh, I did that one too. Yeah. Starring Daniel J. Trevanti and Joe Beth Williams, based on Adam's kidnapping and murder. He said he lured Adam away from the mall parking lot into his white 1971 Cadillac by offering

him candy and toys, blah, blah, blah. He says Adam came willingly, which you and I have seen fucking photos of Audis Tool. That guy is terrifying. There's, yeah. No, there's no way. It wouldn't have happened. And so, and there's, he says more about it, but I'm not going to repeat it because I don't fucking believe it at all, you know.

Right. It's very opportunistic. And it was that kind of thing where when he started talking, the cops that were trying to clear cases got so excited about clearing those cases that they were giving information. Yeah. And it's, yeah, it's, it's all in that. It's confession killers. The confession killer.

It's that confession killer is mostly about Henry Lee Lucas, but it also talks about Audis Tool and they are pretty similar. Okay. I haven't, I haven't seen that, but I know that that's the, yeah. It's maddening. It's maddening. You know, yeah, they want to clear cases and that, and this is the, like this is once everyone, all the other police departments had realized that they were being lied to.

And these cases were not actually done by these criminals like Hollywood, the Hollywood, Florida police department were like the last ones to keep believing it. Yeah. So while both Tool and his sometimes lover and accomplice, Henry Lee Lucas, they were notorious at claiming guilt for murders they could not feasibly even have committed. And this is like hundreds of murders they'd confessed to, um, they would both make co-operating statements for each other or try to outdo each other, or maybe they were trying to get into a mental institution instead of being in prison or just, you know, they'd get favors

if they confessed to things. So that's why they did it. Um, Tool had originally said that both he and Henry Lee Lucas were responsible for Adam's murder that they had committed it together until, uh, suddenly the investigators realized that Henry Lee Lucas had been locked up during the time that Adam disappeared, it was literally impossible for him to be part of it. So then Tool changed his story, said that Henry Lee Lucas wasn't involved, they accepted it.

Okay. And while investigators said that he knew details only the killer could have known, we all know now how easy it is to inadvertently feed that info for the confession. We all now know how easy it is to inadvertently feed that information so someone can confess to it. It's like, it's the same thing as like, uh, in serial, when they're feeding fucking Jay details of the murder and rewarding him for getting it right. So going back to the interrogation transcripts, Tool doesn't actually give any details.

He doesn't give a single detail that hadn't already been made public. Um, so let's fucking clear it all up with DNA testing and, and the blood that was actually found in Otis Tool's car. There is blood on the fucking ground in the car. Let's DNA test it. Not possible. Because a few weeks after Tool's confession, police announced that they had lost his car along, uh, that had been confiscated along with the bloodstained carpet that had been

cut out from the car and the machete that Otis Tool said he used to decapitate Adam. It's all missing. It's gone. There's no DNA testing to be done. Hmm. So police still spent months trying to connect him somehow with the murder and they couldn't. And a year later after they'd already announced that they had found the killer at a press conference, they dropped Tool as a suspect completely.

Wow. Okay. So he's eventually, he eventually retracts his confession saying he had no involvement. He goes back and forth a few times. It's utter bullshit changes the story constantly. He's convicted of three counts of murder that are unrelated to Adam Walsh's murder and he sentenced to death, which was later commuted to life in prison. There are like witnesses saying, placing him in the Hollywood area the days before Adam's

disappearance and supposedly his car was spotted at the mall around the time. Although that isn't, that's not like corroborated until way after, you know, years later. And after his death in prison in 1996 from cirrhosis, his niece said that he had confessed to Adam's murder on his deathbed. Well, I think a lot of people believe that he did it. I'm not one of them. I'm not. I don't think so.

I'm not either. The facts are. So there's another person who's become a suspect in a lot of people's minds in recent years, which is Jeffrey Dahmer. At first I was like, what the fuck are you talking like Jeffrey Dahmer? That's bananas. But even though I'm still, I'm not totally convinced of this, the facts are really interesting. So a journalist named Arthur J. Harris discovered that Dahmer had been living in Miami in March

of 1981. He had been discharged from the army due to alcoholism and that puts him just 20 miles from Hollywood at the time of Adam's disappearance. And it turns out that Dahmer had actually been questioned for Adam's murder way back when, which is like fucking crazy, right? So when Dahmer's picture. So what happened was when Dahmer's picture was in the newspapers in 1991, when he had been arrested, you know, finally caught for all these fucking sick murders he had committed.

Dahmer witnesses who saw the photo, his, his photo in the newspaper, who had been at the mall the day Adam had disappeared, contacted authorities and were like, that's the fucking guy I saw. They were like, remember the statement I gave you, remember how I told you it was this person? That's fucking him. Which is hard. You know, I witnessed statements we know isn't totally reliable, but there were multiple people who did that.

There's this dude named Willis Morgan and he wrote a book called Frustrated Witness. So he was at the, he worked at a newspaper, it was his day off of Monday that Adam disappeared. He was at the Hollywood mall in a radio shack and was approached by this creepy fucking dude, you know, who fit Dahmer's description and he, and this guy, Willis Morgan kind of tailed him to be like, this guy's creeped out and he lost him when he went into the toy department at Sears. And then a couple of days later, he goes to the police to tell them like he had seen, you know, because he works at the newspaper, he saw Adam had been kidnapped and he wanted

to tell them about this fucking creepy guy he saw. And they were like, yeah, great, whatever, we'll get back to you. They never contacted him again. And one man saw, said that he saw a man fitting Dahmer's description throw a struggling kid into a blue van and speed off. And the blue van just keeps coming up the day after Adam's head had been found in the canal of the Turnpike. So two long haul truckers, this guy Dennis Bubb and another guy named Clifford Raimi,

they called authorities to let them know that a few days before the head had been found in the canal, they had both seen a blue van parked off that exact Turnpike in the middle of the night and the guy Dennis Bubb drove by first in his trucker. What is it called? A semi. Yes. Dennis Bubb drove by first in his semi and he saw a guy with a flashlight down near the canal and he radioed this guy Clifford Raimi, who was like a mile behind him, to

be like, hey, let me know if you spot this van, because I think there's no cell phones that like if this person is stranded, it will see be this help or try to help him, whatever, if he had mechanical problems. So Raimi said that when he was driving by, he was focusing on the van to see if he needed help. He said he didn't notice a flat tire, the hood wasn't up, and the lights weren't flashing indicating something was wrong with the van and instead he said he saw a white man leading through the opening, the slide door on the side and fumbling around with a white bucket

and both said that they had talked to Hollywood police, they called days after the head had been found, like knowing that this might be connected and their statements were dismissed, they never, they said it has nothing to do with the case, they never got contacted again. And I listened to interviews with one of them and I mean, it sounds legitimate, it sounds like your dad fucking telling you what you saw. Yeah, but I mean, they didn't see anything that's actual like evidence. I mean, they saw a person down by the canal, but that person could have been fishing. I mean, they did, it's not like they were like, and we saw this child or we saw the thing,

that's the one problem. The thing is like fishing, it was the middle of the night and it was also not a like fishing canal, I think it was just like a, you know, waste area. And the thing here to think about is the blue van, which is another through line with all of these people. So I'll get to the blue van in a second. When authorities questioned Dahmer, now that he's in custody in 1991, he denies everything, including any access to this kind of, you know, any vehicle back when he lived in Miami.

And so his involvement was ruled out by police. But it turns out when this journalist named Arthur J. Harris does some digging later, he finds that Dahmer had been working in Miami at a sandwich shop. And at the time he got this corroborated by a few employees who had worked there, that there was a blue van, like a, like a store van for deliveries that employees were allowed to take. So multiple people drove this blue van. And one of the truck drivers also stated that he thought the van he saw by the side of the

canal had no front passenger seat. And the sandwich shops blue van had a milk crate instead of a passenger seat. Ooh. Remember those cars that had a fucking milk crate instead of a fucking passenger seat? Yeah. Yeah. And the cars that your friends had in high school that had holes where you could see the ground passing underneath the car and you had to make sure that you didn't get your

foot near that. I mean, like, yeah, here's the thing. This is like, there's so many things like this and true crime, I feel like, and we've talked about a bunch of them too, the theories that want to connect big murders to other big murders. Right. And it's a, it's a thing much in the same way that the human eye sees faces in wood grains. It's that thing of like, what if this is all connected?

What if it's one evil, what if it's three evils as opposed to 500,000 evils? I totally get that. But also in the early 80s, late 70s, early 80s, lots of dudes looked like how creepy and weird Jeffrey Dahmer looked in the 90s, totally had transition fucking lenses and a part down the middle. And I think and the mustache and the mustache, it totally could have been him too. I mean, like, who fucking know who knows? And when you don't have, like, good evidence and good police work, it's been a lot, yeah.

I think the point, I think I, to me, Dahmer is more, it makes more sense as a suspect than tool, but I don't think Dahmer actually did it. I think that it's a much simpler explanation. But I think for me, what I've learned from all this is the point is, Audis tool is so not the person and the case has been closed and they said it's Audis tool and I just don't think it is. And I think this whole thing about, look how much evidence there is against fucking Dahmer. It's more than fucking Audis tool.

Right. You know. If you want to clear it and actually have a little bit of a chain of evidence, but yeah. Okay. Anyway. And it's funny that you say that because about the, not Rorschach, but the face. It's basically confirmation bias. It's when we can see faces, patterns and things.

We want patterns. And the photo of Audis tools like floor mat in his car, the one that got lost where there's like a blood stain and one of the, one of the detectives insists that in the blood stain, you can see the imprint of Adam's face and it's fucking not. It's not that you can see it. If you want to, like I saw it. It's not what that is. And it's that confirmation bias of C. Audis tool did it.

It's a fucking, you know, Virgin Mary and a piece of toast. Such taste. Yes. Right. Exactly. Where it's like, if it's serving your narrative, it's easier to see things like that and it's easier to, you know, it's this, this has happened before in true crime where it's like suddenly there's people that are within 200 miles of another bad thing.

It's like, well, you know, so and so live there at that time. I mean, it is. Okay. Let me keep going. Okay. And there are a couple of witnesses from that day at the mall who ID Dahmer is being at the scene of a, there's a similar child abduction attempt at a different Florida mall two weeks earlier and there's a police sketch of the suspect that it, you know, like you said,

it fucking could look like him, but a lot of people looked like him back then, but there are some similarities and it's a similar type of crime of trying to abduct, abducted children. So there's some fucking child abductor in the area at the time. Yes. Yes. I just want to remember one of Dahmer's MO when he was caught was a decapitation. Yeah. He was found with 11 decapitated heads in his house.

So that to me is like more than circumstantial a little bit. Well, right. It goes to an MO. It like lines things up a little more logically, but yeah, it also doesn't. I mean, like it's, it's so general. Totally. What's frustrating about all of it is that, that like basically citizen detectives have to sit home and try to piece, puzzle piece things together because they're just like,

it's a six year old child's murder and they didn't, they just didn't do it. Yeah. They just didn't. And we want things to be right with the world. Like we don't want six year olds to be fucking kidnapped and murdered and if they are, then we want the fucking monsters brought to justice, but we don't believe it's happened. I mean, all I, it drives me, I, knowing this story and knowing how he got kicked out of a Sears at age six, all you want is that exterior video, but it was like probably before the

time where every store had that it's that kind of thing where like it's just so frustrating where how could this be, but it's like this was back in the time where there was big old loopholes. Yeah. Well, if you believe this Dahmer theory, there isn't a, Reve never actually says she, she came back, he was gone and she found out they got kicked out. That did happen, but other, there's like three witnesses who say they, they saw a kid who fit Adam's description being dragged out by a man who fit Dahmer's description.

So it might actually not be what had happened, depending on what fucking theory you believe and what timeline you believe. And if you believe the witnesses who all seem like they, and the security guard, the 17 year old security guard didn't acknowledge that it or like admit that she thought it was Adam that she kicked out until 1996. The whole time she was like, I don't think Adam was with them. It just, it might not eat that part and might not even be true. Some guy, sorry, what, what is this part of a man pulling him out because I, you haven't

talked about that yet. Yeah. Because it's just, it's like, if you believe, it's just depends on what you believe. So there's a couple people who saw, you know, first there's the guy that we were talked about who saw him walk in, into the toy section of the Sears. And then there's a mother who saw a creepy man trying to talk to her kids near the Atari thing. There's another man who saw a man, you know, dragging a kid out of Sears.

And the kid was saying, you're not my dad. But the guy was like, maybe it's just his stepdad. And of course you said that to your stepdad and like someone else saw, you know, him, the man like that throw a kid into a blue van that matched the description and never called and felt guilty about it. And someone else had almost rear-ended a blue van in the parking lot that day and he was parked illegally. Like, it almost feels like there's more evidence that says someone took him out of the store

than the security guard kicking him out of the store. Oh, okay. That's the, this is the like agreed upon story is that they all got kicked out. And I have no fucking way of knowing if that's true or not. It seems to not matter because all these statements were dismissed. I think another thing. So in the very beginning, so there was this young man in his twenties who had lived with the Walshes as like a, you know, as like help, not help, but like to care the kids was like

a contractor was like a family friend and live with the Walshes for four years. And it came out that Reve had had an affair with him and he got kicked out like the week before it was really close with Adam. And so they, they, uh, you know, focused on him as the possible kidnapper and killer, which I highly doubt he is. He passed lie detector tests, he had alibis, he was not the kind of person. So anything, any kind of evidence of like someone at the mall that day being like, dude, I saw some creepy guy, I think back in 1981, the investigators were like, we don't fucking

care. It's not him. They were parked on the side of the fucking road and on the turnpike that has nothing to do with this family friend having done it. So there's a lot of uncorrelated witnesses and statements that now just sound like hearsay because they were never checked back then. So the thing is that Dahmer was known for confessing to everything. So he repeatedly denied involvement in Adam's case, which the law enforcement were like,

why would he lie about this one? And not the other ones. He said, quote, I've told you everything how I killed them, how I cook them, who I ate. Why wouldn't I tell you if I did someone else? But of course everyone knows that having killed a very young child of, you know, six years old would have gotten probably a ton of shit from both the inmates and the guards when he went to prison. I think that's really, there's a lot to that though is him basically being like, I've

made these terrible confessions, clearly if I'm going to get it out, I'll just get it all out now. Why wouldn't I tell you? You know, I didn't do that. But it doesn't mean, I mean, again, I'm saying it doesn't mean someone who didn't look a lot like that guy because it's just like just because we recognize one person as being this really bad person doesn't mean there's not another person somewhere else in the country. There probably is.

That's really bad that look like that, you know, that also gives off like intense creep vibes where many people were like, who was that guy in Sears that day? Yeah. That's really telling. Another conspiracy with the case that you and I have talked about is that a lot of people don't think the head that was found belonged to Adam because, well, it is that of a young boy doesn't fit the description of Adam's teeth at the time. You know, he was missing both teeth.

The photo of the head that they found has a tooth. I do think it is Adam. I think that maybe some decomposition had gone on and the tooth, adult tooth had ruptured. I don't think it's, I don't think it's anyone else. It was so close. There was a child his age missing and that was found within a month. You know, it just, I can't imagine it's fucking not him, which is so sad. But at the same time, it doesn't help that Arthur J. Harris, that journalist found that

the head was identified as being Adam only by a single dental filling that Adam had in the back of his mouth in the same place where a lot of kids get a filling because they chew candy or whatever. Backright molar, baby. Exactly. Those go early. Yep. Right.

So they use that and no one ever consulted a forensic dentist and his dental records are now also missing. Yeah. So there's no way to tell. I'm going to go forward to the future a little bit on December 16th, 2008, Hollywood police chief Chad Wagner, who when he became police chief had conducted an external review of the case. Well, he held a news conference with the Walsh's present and he apologized to the Walsh's for

quote, investigative mistakes that had transpired during the early years of the investigation. So he apologized to them. And in fact, the Walsh's, this is so fucked up, they weren't allowed to have custody of their son's skull for 27 years because it was an open capital murder case. So they had to have an empty casket funeral. It's just horrific. But also at the conference, Wagner announced that they were satisfied that with the evidence, which is all circumstantial at this point.

And according to Willis Morgan, based only on retired Miami beach detective, Sergeant Joe Matthews allegedly bias research in which he doesn't contact any of the witnesses from the Hollywood Mall. He does this huge research project, but doesn't talk to any witnesses. And that's what they use to confirm that they think that Audis Tool is the murderer period and the case is fucking closed. That's it. Yeah.

So basically the easiest way possible. Right. Audis is dead. Audis is dead. Yeah. There's no DNA to test. Okay. I mean, I don't believe that Audis Tool is the murderer of their son, which I think does

lend a lot of, like they, they can't just want to close the case. I mean, I'm sure they do, but they wouldn't just fucking, who the fuck knows? You know, it's hard to question these two grieving parents. Well, also they might have learned or known something that never got out. Right. They might be in sight. They might have insight that we don't have, like, especially after all this time. Who knows?

Yeah. Who knows? I mean, that's the biggest, like, the thing that convinces me most, if anything, that he did it is that they believe it more than anything else. So of course, this case being so highly publicized changed the way parents kept track of their kids. Um, this guy, Richard Moran, who's a criminologist at Mount Holyoke College, said that Adam's case quote, created a nation of petrified kids and paranoid parents.

Um, but meanwhile, the Walsh's channeled their incredible grief into a lifetime of child advocacy. They thought of how much grief they went through and how much grief they grow through every time they choose to show up and discuss their son's murder. It's not like they were like, we don't want to talk about this anymore. We want to move on. They're like, let's fucking keep this here for almost 40 years. So just four days after their son's funeral, Adam's parents started the Adam Walsh Outreach

Center for Missing Children. They also lobbied for the Missing Children's Act, which enacted in 1982 required entry of Missing Children into the FBI's National Crime Center database, the NCIC, like there was a no national fucking list of missing children at the time, right? It's just fucking willy nilly. Yeah. Um, in 1984, the Walsh's co-founded an organization to aid and comfort other families of missing children called the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, which makes so much

sense. You think of all the grief and horror, the fucking parents who are missing their kid is going through. They need someone to advocate for them and now they have a group to do that. It's so important. And in 1988, John Walsh began hosting the TV show America's Most Wanted, um, which the FBI credits for helping capture at least 17 of their 10 most wanted fugitives, and which I wrote turned an entire generation of kids into murderinos while scaring the ever-loving

shit out of us and convincing us we were constantly about to be kidnapped. And so we all memorized the hotline number. So now in 1983, when that made for TV movie premiered, where that oddest tool had probably seen 38 million viewers watched it on its first airing. And each time it aired, the show was followed by pictures and descriptions of miss actual missing children. And a hotline was created to take calls regarding those kids and ultimately 13 of the 55 children shown in the, in the original broadcast were located.

Wow. Yeah. And then there was the Bone Thugs and Harmony Rapper, Busy Bone. Busy Bone? Was missing? Busy Bone. In 1980, at four years old, he and his two sisters had been abducted by their mother's boyfriend and his missing photo was one of those shown and it was recognized by a neighbor

and they were reunited with their fucking mother. Oh my God. And I wrote, thank God. I know I wrote, if pub quizzes ever exist again, you got to remember this fucking fact. But also that's so dark and yeah, that would have been just like a, I mean, that's, that's, that's the other thing too. And you said this in the beginning, but it's most kidnapped children, it's family related. It's almost the entire majority.

That doesn't mean that the person that took that child just because they're blood related isn't a scary, threatening, awful person or vice versa where they're, they accuse the mother of kidnapping the children, but actually they are trying to get out of a domestic abuse situation. So that's Busy Bone. You said 13 kids were, were recovered and how many had they shown 13? So the first, there was three showings of the show. And so in the first showing, they showed different children every time, every showing.

And so the first one, they showed 55 children and 13 of them were recovered. Oh, wow. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. So the four big box and department stores began implementing code Adam, which was used to mobilize all store clerks when a child is reported missing in the store. Because back then when he went missing in Sears, they were like, what the fuck do you

want us to do? We can't do another, you know, they kept doing announcements over the PA system, but they were like, we can't keep doing, you know, nobody fucking cared or knew. There was no process set up where it's like the, the entire store goes on lock, which is what they do now. Right. So of course, in our email and a murdering name, Carrie sent a hometown in and she said, I started working at a retailer who adopted this code as a teenager.

And in our training, we learned that when code Adam blasts over the intercom, all associates stop what they're doing and head to the nearest exit to stop any child from exiting the building or anyone leaving with a child. She says, I still get teary-eyed thinking about why this was put into place, but I'm very grateful for it. In the four years I worked there, it was target, we stopped to quote almost abductions and countless little ones from walking right out the front automated doors to possibly be never seen again, which is amazing.

In 2003, Congress actually made it mandatory for all federal buildings to have code Adam programs in effect. In 2006, the US Congress passed the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act, a bill which institutes a national database of convicted child molesters and increases penalties for sexual and violent offenses against children. And as for Etan Patz, his disappearance in New York was called for decades, but his case was reopened in 2010 and eventually his killer, who is a man named Pedro Hernandez, was found and he confessed.

And on February 14th, 2017, a jury found him guilty of murder and kidnapping. And at the time of Etan's disappearance, it turns out that Hernandez was an 18-year-old convenience store worker in a neighborhood bodega where it's thought that Etan had stopped on his walk to the bus stop for a soda. And Hernandez was sentenced to 25 years to life in prison. So next July, we'll mark 40 years since Adam Walsh was abducted. I know it's 40-fucking years, 40 years, 40 years. John and Reve are still married.

They had three children after Adam's tragic murder. So John is now in his 70s and he hosts, along with his son Callahan, investigation discoveries in pursuit with John Walsh. So they're still trying to catch the bad guy. And Callahan said, quote, I watched my parents channel their emotion and their anger and their energy to make sure that there was a response mechanism for missing children because there was very little help at the time. I watched my father go on to capture fugitive after fugitive on America's Most Wanted.

They never gave up hope. They never gave up on the fight. So I'm here following in their footsteps, huge shoes to fill, but trying to fight back in Adam's honor. And that is the disappearance and murder of Adam Walsh. God, I know. I know. So old, so old and deep, deep, deep, deep.

He's also just terribly, terribly mishandled and so incredibly kind of unsatisfying in terms of discussing it as a case because it's just like, and now we, where I'll talk you all the way up to this point and then we hit a wall. And now we're, now this is theory and now this is, I mean, that idea where you're talking about there's witness statements saying a young child was being dragged out of the store that there were, it sounded like more than one person. It didn't sound like a ton. I saw a creepy guy that day.

There was a, there was a attempted abduction one town over. Here's his sketch. Yeah. Do something. All that, like all of that should have been, you know, yeah, it's just so frustrating. It's funny because I was going to say I have that same frustration when you're, when basically this feels like a cold case that isn't a cold case, but it is a cold case, knowing Audis tool, confess to hundreds and hundreds of murders he had nothing to do with like

that. It's just so embarrassing. It's just so. Yeah. Yeah. It's just frustrating. And there's the question of like, is the evidence missing because they wanted to pin it on him and so they just happened to not have it because it would prove otherwise.

Or I mean, in 1989 did, you know, some fucking rookie officer like steal the machete to show to his drinking buddies and did someone steal the like, you know, to, I mean, that's like the fun times, right, you know, direction you could take it. But all those big pieces of evidence missing is, is at the very least you doing your job terribly. Yeah. And, and then at the most fucking conspiracy, yeah, the coroner not signing off, hard evidence. Right.

The coroner not signing off on having received the dental fucking exam and, you know, what's that? Like what, and I told you about like, how he had, Adam had been ID'd as this, the head that was found based on the dental exam, that's gone, you know, the like corner never actually signed off on a true autopsy. It was like a visual autopsy, not an actual autopsy, you know, it's just shit like that that just, you want to blame it on 1981, but that's, they're not fucking stupid people. It's like they were a little, yeah, there were processes in place that you were supposed

to be following. They're pretty similar to the ones we have now. They're not that different. So yeah, yeah, it is, it is, it's just a big question mark and it's not, you know, like I, yes, I, I understand the appeal of the Dalmar theory. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I bet if you were in Florida right now, you could walk out on a sidewalk and see like two dudes that look like Jeffrey Dalmar. I mean, I think it's a look. Yeah. You could look at the chair right on the couch and fucking look like Jeffrey Dalmar. Like why are you got those? How come your transition lenses are gray again? I know you think those are in style now, but I know your numbers only, your tan numbers

only jackets like cool, but I know you're all about convenience, but like question if your boyfriend thinks it's cool to dress like a fucking serial killer every time. Should we do some home, a couple of hometowns just to light a couple of her rays? Oops. I'm sorry. A couple of fucking her rays. Here's one. This is from Olo.

You didn't a former patient born extremely premature, weighing only a pound just celebrated their first birthday fucking hooray for preemies, the strongest and most resilient humans ever. That's beautiful. Nice. So beautiful. Um, this one's on Instagram from AHN84. My fucking hooray this week is that on Sunday, I got to help Burt County rescue squad rescue a dog stranded in a 30 inch sinkhole in pigs, Piska National Forest, Western North Carolina.

We built a hull system and lowered a rescuer and a big bag of beef jerky down the hole. And he calmed the dog and made a harness for him so we could haul him out of the hole. We don't know how long he was down there, but as of today, he is healthy and doing well. And then she writes, plug to support volunteer search and rescue organizations. They work hard to get lost and injured folks and pups out of the wilderness safely. Nice. Oh, a dog in a hole. A dog in a sinkhole.

They got him. This one is from Amanda Christine Rose and it just says, I'm staying in a treehouse this weekend. Yay. That's the whole thing, but it's that kind of sounds fun. It's because she's going to stay the whole weekend. That's awesome. That's needed.

Amanda, write back and let us know how your treehouse is going to be. I'd like to see some pics. I realized, Vince and I realized that we haven't spent one night away from our house in 2020. And so we're staying in a like cabin next week. And I'm so excited. Nice. Perfect. That's good.

Little change of pace. This is from Kelly Reichart underscore art and it just says, leaving hospital today after breast cancer surgery fucking hooray. Hell yeah. Kelly. Yes. Congratulations. You did it.

Envision. Envision. Big shields in front of you. Strength. Throw some pottery. Or two. Get a moomoo and throw some pottery for relaxation. Okay.

My last one's from Tara loves tea and it says, I met my current boyfriend because I started going on walks around my neighborhood due to COVID and he is my neighbor. We've never talked until I saw him leaving for work every morning. We connected and are now moving into a house together next month. Oh my God. I'm your neighbor. Tara loves tea. What if in the beginning of this episode we're like, don't move into with someone after

only three months. She's like, shit. Delete. Delete. Delete. Oh my God. It's the perfect ending. We're like, girl, you go for it.

He's probably the best. He's definitely never been on love fraud. Just please watch that documentary Google his ass. Oh my God. That's so cute. She started going to walks. I still believe in love. I still believe.

I know. That's the cutest. What if you're like, you're, you're out there and you're wearing your, um, sweatshirt with the thumb holes that keeps it pulled down and you're doing your walks and you're being very taken care of yourself and here comes a wonderful professional man leaving every morning for work during quarantine. Where do you work, sir? Hopefully outside.

Hopefully you're a park, you're a landscaper, but she sees some Hawkeye leaving for work every day. Now it's love. And thank God she's like, thank God I wore my mask that says, ask me about how cool I am. Cause he was like, Hey, how cool are you? And then he was like, ask me about I'm single. And he was like, Hey, are you single?

You're, I'm sorry. My landscape company is called ask me if I'm single. Okay. I guess that's the way you get. All right. I mean, who are we to judge? We're just sitting here. Who are we to judge?

Nobody. I bought roller skates on a fucking whim today. I mean, what are they? You're a fucking hooray. Yeah. That's my fucking hooray. I, I'm not roller skates as a 40 year old woman. Who fucking cares?

Where are you going to? Where do you, or might you skate? I'm going to, I'm going to really awkwardly tight skate walk in front of my garage until I'm not terrified of skating like an old lady and then you have to turn out like nine feet later. You have to turn around and I'm going to meet my neighbors and it's going to say, ask me about how cool I am on the, and you're going to get, oh my God, all these marriage proposals, but here comes Vince, comes in once again, proving letting him move in was

a good idea. Turns out he didn't steal all our furniture and Mimi. He was just cleaning, getting it all cleaned at the cleaners and now we have a lovely house. It's all fine. What's your fucking hooray? Everything's fine. Well, my fucking hooray is that my friend Charlie just came to stay with me because he was, he had to quarantine before he started a movie job and we had, it was hilarious.

It was so fun and we were so lazy. It was like, we were just justifying each other's habits and it was really relaxing. And I realized like in COVID, I'm having a lot of weird reactions to things that aren't that big, that feel very big. And it's hard to, it's hard to keep things right sized where it's like, it's just business. Nothing's going to happen right now. But like, it feels like, oh, this is it. We're done for.

There's a lot, a lot of those kinds of things. And when there's one other person on the road to just go, is it me or is this person a total asshole? And they're like, no, no, you're completely right. That's all you need. Are you talking about me? Well, sometimes it just depended on what we were talking about. Look, the topic changed from night to night.

You know what I just decided? He was here for, you know what I just decided? Here for what? I'm coming, Vincent and I are coming over on Sunday to a distance hang with you. Fuck into my house. Period. Yeah. You don't even, if you're not there.

Get over here. Fine. We're coming on Sunday. I get over here. You and I have not spent enough FaceTime together. And it's crapening. No, you're right. Please do.

I would love it. It helps. It's so nice. I can, I'm very good at being with myself and I, you know, don't get like, fraught. But it really is like what you're saying, just sit like you and me and Vincent standing in the pool eight feet away from each other, gabbing it up. It's like, it's bomb for the soul. It's fucking ask me about how cool I am time and it's going to crap.

Look, you're both going to try to ask me to marry you. I'm going to call the police on you because it's illegal. What if it says ask us if we're single and it's like, hey guys, hey, you guys. This is uncomfortable. First of all, I don't need to ask you, I know you're not your mask doesn't make you not single. Oh, no. As we if I'm single guys, thanks for listening.

We hope you're fucking, we hope you're living your best quarantine life, whatever that means for you. All right, guys. We were, we were trying to say goodbye, but now we really are saying goodbye. So stay healthy, stay indoors, wear a mask and stay sexy and don't get murdered. Goodbye. Elvis, do you want a cookie?