My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 262 - Live at the Civic Theatre in San Diego, CA (2019)

Episode Date: February 18, 2021

In this week’s former Fan Cult exclusive episode, Karen and Georgia cover the San Diego Tank Rampage and the murder of Don Hardin.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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these are a thing now. They have binoculars that you can buy in the lobby. That's how far away people are. Yeah. Binocular far. Do you understand how this theater works? I'm already learning things about myself in this tour. Like, I don't know how to use a pair of binoculars. Just a twisty twist and tell you twisty twist. Here's, I mean, what I love about these is I can see exit signs so fucking clearly. Just what I'm here for. You're at the opera just staring at exit signs. Yes. I'm going to escape that way and that way. Uh-oh. The problem with the first night of the tour is that you realize you should have done so many things in the past month and week and day to prepare and then you're like, well,

they won't see it. That my nails are disgusting or whatever. And then they have binoculars and they can see everything. How about that? Can you see that? How about that? Let me see. Now, you've got broken. Closer or further away? I can't see. Should I walk over here and flip you off? Truly, the list is long. It'd be kind of cool if we could start a trend of people wearing binoculars as necklaces. Yeah. Pretend we all like it. Yeah, yeah. When it's actually quite heavy and bad on your spine and your eyes, you don't need to see anything that closely. If God intended for you to see something that closely, you would have invented binoculars. That's right. And I'm so glad you mentioned God, Georgia, because tonight

it's all about the Lord. That's why we're here. Raise him up all the way to the one, two, three, fourth balcony. Yeah. Yes. God bless you. Oh, I'm not wearing black. I know. Walk it across. Give it a real... Thank you. Look at her. This is the first fucking time I truly like the walk. It's like a weird black dress. I'm never going to wear it again. I hate black. It's really uncomfortable there, but this is like fucking vintage and shit. I was like that dress is so me. I'm going to buy it and have it forever. And you had the power of time. That's what's magical about it. To where wherever the fuck you want. I've literally worn pajamas to live shows and Georgia's like, look, I think we should talk about it because I think I want to wear color. I'm like, dude, can I lay

down during the show? That's what I would prefer. We have different standards. Well, I'm a professional professional. Oh, so I... Shit. I also have a hot tip. It's a fashion tip, hashtag it. If your dress doesn't fit you anymore, you can make it fit by slightly ripping it where the zipper is. Yes. Okay. And giving yourself more room. I love it. And then just cover it up with a belt and no one will fucking notice. And if they do, tell them to take their binoculars off. Go fuck your binoculars. How about that? Yeah. And this fashion tip is straight out of vogue. Hashtag, you're straight out of vogue. Hashtag, what's up? Anna went to her. Yeah. We're doing it different this year. Yeah. Look and listen to the fashion experts, police. The fashion expert,

police. That's our new show. What about you? Oh, yeah. It's this whole thing. Look. Nice. Lighting guy. Nice. He picked that right up. What if I go over here really fast? Lighting guy. There he is. This is a high quality theater when the lighting guy follows you with the grid. Should we tell about, won't name names, but one of the shows last season? No. No. Semester? Last month. Yes. It was last month. We were, somehow the lighting person got the cue that as soon as we said good night to turn all the fucking lights off in the entire theater, including on stage. So we go to wave and then it's darkness. And it's weird. And it stayed darkness where we were like, we're like, bye. And then we're just kind of like, bye. I guess you guys,

and then tell those guys we said bye with our hands. Right. And then hopefully we don't trip on the way out of the stage. Then we left like fucking Charlie Brown like, no. I guess they didn't like it. That's sad. You know what's funny? We do. So, San Diego, you're kicking off the 2019 spring tour. Congratulations. It's very exciting. Yeah. One part of that though is, aside from like, since this is my 2018 winter tour dress, as we're standing in the dressing room, Georgia was talking about her dress. And I was like, I should have gotten mine dry clean. That's one of those things. Thank you. So much time. Yeah. That's on that list. All the time in the world. Be clean. Basics. The basics. But because it's the first show, we don't have as

many like, we don't have these road dog anecdotes that we usually do. And oh my God. We usually got old strippers and stuff. But here's what did happen. And this made me laugh because you were like, what do we talk about when we get out there? And I was just like, I know what I'm going to talk about. Because on the way down, we stopped at In-N-Out. You gotta. That's what a hamburger's all about. So you have to do it. And George and I, before we left, you want to tell this. No, I forgot already about it. No, you're going to tell it in front of a lot of people. This is, yeah, there's a ton of fucking people out there. Shit. Yeah. Shit. Okay, go ahead. So as you may know, Georgia likes to do fun physical surprises to me. So like, and we've talked about

it before, like we were in New York. Not in front of a bunch of people. It's like on the podcast where I'm like, I love to fart, but it's like we're in the living room. Right. But you know, you're not, what I'm saying is you're not shy. You're not, that's not a natural set point for you. I think you're very bold and your body positive and you're fun. You're fun. Thank you. And you want to have fun. So oftentimes I'll go up and be like, hey, you have my blow dryer. And then I knock on her hotel room door and she opens it completely naked. That's happened several times. It's funny. You should try it naked. It's hilarious. It's hilarious. And she has her eyes wide in her mouth open. So it's like, it's surprise naked. It's really like, it's like a shock

scare, like a haunted house. That's what you're going for with your body. It's a shock scare. No, no. So that one of those fun things is just, they'll just be private, but very presentational farting every once in a while. It's like a, it's like a punctuation mark at the end of a joke. That's not funny. If you tell a stupid joke and it doesn't land, fart at the end of it. It's fucking hilarious. Like, and you do a little, like it's like, it's hilarious. I laugh every single fucking time. Nothing's funnier. Real time farting is better than anything that's ever been written in McSweeney's or the onion. It's just the best. It's risky. It's vulnerable. It's loud. It smells. So all the things you want to joke. It's called the magic four. Yeah. We go

into the bathroom in and out. There's people in there with, when we go in, I go into the stall, Georgia's messing around at the sink the way she likes to do. I'm like a cat playing in the water. Exactly. You know how I like to. I have to hit her to get her down off the sink. So I'm in the stall. And it's this kind of stall that looks like it's one big stall, not what it was, which is two stalls with two different people. Two different people. One of them was not mean. It's a stranger. Stranger. I did not know that. So I just hear this from inside the stall. I just hear, I think he went something like, you crack me if I'm wrong. It was something like, hey, like that. And then I had already heard the lady shuffling around in the other stall. I knew there

was someone there. Hadn't heard her. I'm immediately crying on the toilet. And then I hear her, then her toilet flushes, and then I hear Georgia go, is there someone else in here? I just hear the door open and shut. She was fucking gone. I left. And then Karen walks out. I say, is there someone else in the right as Karen's bathroom door open? And she's just nodding at me with this gleeful face. It was so terrible. But what I didn't realize, I didn't cover my own six because Georgia ran out before the lady came out of the stall. So I'm there washing my hands and laughing at her. The lady comes out. I'm in the farting position. Now I did it. I did it. That was not my intention. It looked like I did it and was laughing at myself and washing

my hands. One rule of fart jokes is you always take responsibility for your own fart jokes. That's right. I would never pin that on someone else. You know? You come back in the bathroom. Hey lady, that was me. Look, I want to talk about today. I'll do it again to prove it. Watch this. Watch this and that. Don't we have some really terrible photos to show? I think we do. Oh, by the way, this is a podcast. My favorite murder. Thank you. That's Karen Calguera. And that's Georgia Heartstart. We're very excited to be here with you. We're very happy to see you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Goodbye. So yeah, we left. We left in and out. Vince is driving. I'm navigating. That's a mistake. And it turns out the city of like,

I don't know what it is, like, oh my God, it's like in the middle of it all. Carson? No, I don't know. Exactly. It's probably Carson. There's just a lot of construction right now. And so we get lost immediately. Almost start going the wrong way. I don't know, one-way street. Yeah. They're actually building an overpass to connect to one of the 100,000 freeways down here. So we kind of go under not a finished overpass, but like the wooden wobbly 1800 structure of an overpass of future tense. 2025. Yeah. It's like, let's get away from this area. Yeah. We took some photos for you guys. So, but wait, go around. And truly, I don't think it was on the map. Waze was like, fuck you. I'm out of here. You're going to hang

out down there. We can't help you. I told you where to go. Waze is really mean. Here's where we end up. This is, now if you can tell, oh wait, I think you should go forward one. Okay. Can you see how it's an overpass exit to fucking nowhere? As you said, it's fucking straight Sandra Bullock. Yes. Overpass. This is where they shot that scene in speed where she impossibly jumps a bus. Amazing. Amazing. And so that, can you go back? So basically this was on our left and this was in front of us and we're like, well, I guess we have to go up here. It just looked like now you took a wrong turn. Now you have to go kill yourself in your own car. Yeah. Good luck. Yeah. Goodbye. All right. That was something. Okay. Here we go. There it is. Stephen's not here.

I know. I'm actually surprised. Usually when it's close, he wants to come. But listen, there's cats and there's Stephen and he doesn't tend to not be with one at all times. He might be going through a rebellion stage. Okay. Teenage Stephen. I don't care about your show. I know. I'm the percast baby. He's got his own life now. This table has nice leggings on. Yeah. Isn't it? This table looks like me after the show actually. It's pretty much exactly my outfit. That's you. You know how you like to put your clothes over your toes. Do you want to sit down? Yeah. Should we? Let's do it. Oh, I like these. Yes. Should we take these for my new house?

Take these home tonight? Yes. This is a... I can deal with a chair like this. Uh-oh. Oh, we're a little... Hello. Hi. How are you? Oh, I feel so fucking petite. Love it. You're so tiny. You're just a little girl in a huge chair. It is a little weird. What happened? It's just okay. What? Hi. Just don't talk about it? No. Did your dress split open? No. Not anymore than it already did. Okay. I brought a backup dress just in case and it's black. So I feel like it's one of those things where it's just like, you know, it's like a threat to myself that if I fuck this dress up, I have to just put on an old dress. Yeah. I don't want to do that. Just add that pressure like Tonya Harding's mom. Just

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Are these open? Steven. We make him come to the theater, open our waters and then go and drive home. Yeah. And we don't give him gas money. Uh-oh. Did you just spill over? Shut up. Okay. You don't know me. Oh my God. It's drunk Karen. Don't be a bitch and you can party with me. Now it's turning into a weird exhaly thing that it's not, that's not drunk Karen. That's a sexy lady. Drunk Karen was not sexy. I guarantee you that. Um, okay. I'm starting off tonight and here's what's funny. When this event happened, uh, in real time, I remember watching it on TV, but I've never thought about doing it for any of our live shows down here because Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds of the dollup did it on their

sixth episode long, long ago and it was so fucking hilarious that I was like, well, you just kind of can't do that ever again. Yeah. But then I was like, fuck them. So I'm doing San Diego's 1995 tank round page. Do you remember this? Were you, how old were you? 15? 95. Yeah, I was 15 and fucking live in my sad life in Orange County. What were you doing? What were you doing when you were 15? 15, I think was the prime rave years. Don't spit that out. Rave, they were raves. Did you wear Jonko jeans? No, but I wore vinyl pants. Right. Vinyl pants. Okay. Or sometimes I wear, I get dressed up and wear like a cheerleaders, like, you know, like a cheerleader next to see outfit, like a, like a club kid, but cheer, but like making fun of cheerleaders, but was it? Did

I really? And then, uh, yeah. Like you're pretending that you hate cheerleaders, but clearly you would love to be a cheerleader. Making fun of the thing you can't have just so you don't feel bad about not, you know, you get it. It's called life. Welcome to it. None of us belong. Okay. 95 tanks. There we go. Tanks. Don't do it. 95. I was 25. Thanks. And, uh, I was on so much speed, um, that I would just, I would wake up like entirely awake at like 5 a.m. and stare out the window and not blink for seven hours. It was rough. Um, so if you're around or conscious or having a time in 95, you will have seen this on the news. It, uh, it was a guy that drove a tank for 23 minutes around San Diego and it was fucking nuts. Now that in and of itself is plenty of

story. There's plenty of story with just that. And my assumption is that's very sad. Clearly somebody had mental illness. Clearly there was issue behind it. You know, whatever. Then you dig into the actual story and, uh, it's so, so much more. So let's talk about it. Um, and we're talking about a man named Sean Nelson. He is the guy that ended up commandeering a tank, um, from the, from the National Guard Armory, which was not locked. That should be locked. I feel like the National Guard should have the best security. You would think just name a loan. You would think that that would be a thing they were into. Yeah. Even if it was just for the show of it, like, I love to wear this outfit. Yeah. Yeah. They'd be like, sorry, I'm guarding this. What's your

business here? No. In 95, that wasn't the case. Listen, we're not, uh, we're not shaming the, what do they call them? The National Guard. The National Guard. They're armed forces. Yeah. No, never. Uh, not at all. What we're talking about really is, um, at the end of the day, meth. We're going to be talking about a lot tonight. Uh, so smoke them if you got them. Um, so quick background. Um, Sean Nelson, he was born in Bird's Eye, Utah on August 21st, 1959. His father was in the military. He grows up, uh, in the Claremont neighborhood of San Diego, which is, yeah. Claremont is kind of where all this happens. It's also where, where, where the armory is, where the super loosey-goosey chill armory is. Yeah. Now you guys know. Yeah. Um,

he joins the army. He's in it for two years in the tank division. What? That's called foreshadowing. He loves tanks. He loves tanks. I'm sure they make you feel great. You're all protected and you can kind of drive around real slow. Um, so, but after two years, he leaves the army and, um, he goes down to Panama. He works on a fishing boat. Eventually he comes back home and he starts a plumbing business and he does great. Um, so that's all good. Uh, the problem was, um, around the late 80s, the wall came down and the Cold War ended. And so, um, because a lot of the military action slowed down, um, then the economy in this area slowed down because it's, it's a, it's a very military based economy around here. So there was a downturn, uh, economically here.

That plumbing business dried up, you're saying? People stopped shitting entirely. You just stopped flushing, you know? They were, they let it mellow all over town and, um, no. No, what actually happened was, and this is interesting. This is from the dollop. Uh, this is Dave's research, but basically, um, methamphetamine was something that the, uh, that military, uh, have used for years and years. Oh, that's what they gave kamikaze pilots, right? But those, yes. Also, Hitler loved it. Oh, sure. He was, he was super stoked about any kind of amphetamine. Yeah. Um, so can't we, and of course, Dave Anthony, um, meth came into the United States through San Diego. So that's, that's where, yes. Clap it up. I thought you guys were better than

that. Um, so, uh, basically, so when things slow down, um, people start using the cheapest drugs made of Ajax that they can find. I can guarantee you that that fucking, uh, meth made its way to Irvine. Yeah. That's right. It made its way anywhere where the children were bored and, uh, had big speakers to dance in front of, as you, as you have told me. Okay. So, um, Sean Nelson has a terrible run of luck. It's very sad. His, um, he, he starts using meth, his wife of six years files for divorce. Then he loses both of his parents to cancer in 1992. Uh, then he gets into motorcycle accident and, um, he, the theory is that he was on drugs because when he got to the emergency room, he got into physical altercation with the security guards there and was fighting

them even though they were trying to treat him because he was super fucked up from a bad motorcycle accident. Um, he ends up, uh, uh, suing the hospital for $1.6 million. Um, and this, the lawsuit is dropped or, you know, the, the judge says goodbye. Uh, then the hospital counter sues him for the six grand. He owes them for the medical treatment that he says he didn't want. Holy shit. Yeah. So it's, there's, um, there's some issues that maybe meth isn't helping. Great. And I will say in a non-judgmental, uh, former speed addict way. I, I'm just seeing some patterns that I recognize it myself. Um, now he moves into this little house and, and fortunately and usually the way it goes with math and the people that I know that have been addicted to math, it turns out, oh my

God, his neighbor is kind of like a meth dealer. She lives right next door. She's, she's more of like, I wouldn't, I don't know if she was a full-fledged dealer, but she was like a holder of meth and a gatherer of meth-minded people. This is a fucking storyline on Breaking Bad when Jesse Pinkman moves next door. Yeah, that's right. And everyone comes and parties at his house. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, there's so many, please listen to episode six of the dollop. There's so many fucking crazy stories, but essentially he's just doing meth, doesn't have a lot of work to do. Everyone around him is doing meth. So they're doing stuff like grown men are, um, wrestling each other in the backyard. Like, like, uh, you know,

cold, cold and style, you know, suplex or whatever style wrestling. And when him and his friend do this one time, his friend throws him on the ground and breaks his back. You guys don't do it. Yeah. Don't do that. That's awful. Don't do meth wrestling. So, he has a broken back. He's, you know, he's, you know, a very lawsuit attracted, I guess we could say. Um, just lots and lots of issues and the issues are building. And then as we know, if you do a lot of drugs, you start to lose your sense of true reality and you start to live in a reality that the drugs are dictating. And this is what happens to Sean because Sean one day, uh, becomes convinced that he's found a nugget of gold in his own backyard. What? Yes. Um, so he

begins to mine for gold in his backyard. Oh, no. Yes. Oh, no. There's a photo. So there's, that's Sean Nelson. He looks so normal. Yeah. And his better day is clearly like looks very healthy, looks, looks happy. Um, here's his, uh, he ends up digging a 17 foot hole in his backyard. Holy shit. Holy. This is what meth can do for you. I mean, I couldn't do that and I'm not on meth. You know, determination. Yeah. You know what I noticed though? He's wearing his wedding rings though. I don't know why I noticed that. That, uh, that's Kevin Nelson. Great. I see that by the name next to his face. I now see that. Look, we didn't see these pictures beforehand. Steven puts all kinds of surprises on here. Yeah. Yeah. That's not Sean. Got it.

Because it says Kevin. Yeah. I think it's, I think it might be a brother or relative name Kevin. Great. He's in on it. Okay. Here's the thing. He's, Sean is together enough still that he is convincing the people around him that this is a possibility. And how exciting if it was 100 percent, it's your yard. Yeah. And there's a gold mine right fucking there in San Diego. Nobody knew. So that's what I picture myself doing is like, you find that nugget, you hold it up to the sun. Yeah. And then all your problems are solved. No, it turns out the details of this are crazy, but the actual, you know, clearly this mine shaft that he built is professional. He's, he knows how to work some tools and handle some shit. And he starts getting the, the, uh, meth fans that are

around, um, to come on over. And then the idea is you work on the mine with me and then you can get a cut of the gold when we finally strike it rich. Right. And in the meantime, you can help me out by giving me math. Yeah. Don't be, that was actually part of it is if you come, want to come over, if you want to work on the mine, you have to bring that. So it was like a gold mining meth party in this backyard all the time. Wow. All I want is to watch like a four hour series interviewing the neighbors while this was going down because it's one thing when someone has like a, like a tiki themed party in their backyard one night where you're like, all right. Yeah. But this was a, he was, he was using, he was using his own jacuzzi as a sluice. So he was like running dirt

through the jacuzzi to keep then, and then panning up to see if the gold came through. Yes. A perfectly good jacuzzi. Yes. That hurts you especially doesn't it? I fucking love a jacuzzi guys. I'm not kidding. And see this is what drugs do. Yeah. You no longer see the value of your jacuzzi. You just want that gold. You could buy a hundred jacuzzi's when you find the gold. The future promise of a hundred jacuzzi's lined up and you can just go from one to the other all night. Yeah. We got to get that gold, smoke, snort. Okay. The neighbors of course file noise complaints with the police. Oh my God. Sean files a complaint against the police for harassment because no one's letting him do his, have his dream. So in February of 1995, so this,

this goes on for like, this is, you know, his, his drug uses ramping up and the psychosis around it is ramping up obviously. In February of 95, he files, tries to file a claim with the city of San Diego that he can mine bedrock in his own backyard. He goes to city hall and he's like, I want to file this claim for my backyard, for the gold in my backyard. And they're like, it's your fucking backyard, dude. You can do whatever you want. Yeah, you don't need a claim. You, you could dig your entire backyard up and throw it away. And that's yours to do. Okay. And that's what I did. At what point do you get to the part that belongs to San Diego now? You know what I mean? Like, do you buy your house to the core of the earth? That is the best fucking question I've

ever heard. Do you own the fucking magma lair beneath your house? Is that, is that your shit? Yeah. I mean, what do you mean? Yes, I was curious. I wonder, core of the right down far down to you own when you buy a house, right down to dig up my fucking new backyard. Take it up and get that those precious metals for yourself. That magma. Get that magma. Yeah, I think it's like if you, I think you stop owning it when you pop up in Sydney, Australia, and they're like, no, mate, that's not yours. That's my gold. Now, here's another thing that gets crazy. They do find a little bit of gold. No. Yes. Wait, that part's real? Well, I didn't say it was real. I just said that they found gold. Okay. What was happening was Sean was buying no gold from

neighborhood teens and melting it down and burying it in the mine for people to discover. I have so many questions. The number one is like the idea of these fucking teens dealing drugs, but they're dealing gold. That's insane. Well, there were visionaries. It was 1995, cash for gold had not been invented yet. But they were like, I'm fine. This is a niche that needs to be filled. It was, it was hammer. You know, hammer does all those cash for gold commercials. Well, as a teen. No. So basically, they'd be like, here's that gold you wanted. He'd be like, thanks. I'm going to go smelt for a while. He would hide it. Then he'd be like, I think I hit something over here, Dan. And then the another method would come over and be like,

what the, it's real. And then they'd be like, okay, here's my meth packet. Let's celebrate. And it would, it was basically this kind of self perpetuating gold mine situation. That was fake. But it seemed like Sean believed in it because he wanted to own the claim. He basically wanted to make sure the city wasn't going to take his gold. The city was like, we don't give those. He got super mad and stayed mad about it for a long time because of the meth. So then there was a, the downward spiral comes in April. He's been mining for the meth gold for nine months. This is the downward spiral. I feel like it already happened. We just peaked. Now it's going to go like this. Okay. Yeah. That was the fun like screaming part of the roller coaster. Now we're

about to entirely go off the rails. So he hasn't paid his mortgage in nine months, of course. And someone stole his plumbing tools somewhere along the line. So he can't even go back to his regular job. And he's kind of beyond that anyway. And his water and his power get turned off, which is tough on a mine. You need that water. That's jacuzzi. It's tough for the jacuzzi. You get to get a big crank on the side of it. Just pictured in your mind. Give it a moment. And his only friend left is this guy, Chuck, who's also on a ton of meth. And on that episode of the doll-up, they played audio tape of Chuck explaining stuff. And unless you would get PTSD from it, like I did, you should listen to it because it's just a person on drugs. It's just

the best anti-drug PSA in the world. It's like none of that made sense. Okay. Sean, one night goes down into the mine and sees God. Did he buy it from teens and put it down there? Everyone else, they're pulling their mom's necklaces out of the bag and then one teen's like, hey, check this shit out. It's the Lord. 40 bucks. 40 bucks for one. He sees God. He sees a pyramid. Nope. And there's a dragon inside the pyramid. As you know, there always is. Oh, my God. And then he gets the message him and Chuck are supposed to fight this dragon. Wrestling style in the backyard. Snap it. Snap it's back. Oh, my God. Okay. In April of 95, his live-in girlfriend dies of a drug overdose. So, yeah, we're going off the rails. Okay. He

files a $2 million damage claim against the city. One for police negligence and one for false arrest. In May of 95, the house gets foreclosed on. So basically kind of all the plans and schemes and everything I've just have crashed and burned horribly. So, page three. On the afternoon of May 18th, 1995, Sean Nelson gets into his van and he drives to the National Guard Armory in Claremont neighborhood of San Diego. He's shirtless and he's got a plan. Oh, you can't, you have to have both. It can't be one or the other. That's right. If you've got a plan, take off that shirt. Let everyone know. If you're wearing a shirt, but you've got a plan, strip. He told his friend he was going to drive a tank to City Hall. He was going to pull the tank up on

the steps of City Hall and then demand to be on TV so he could make a statement. Okay. I'm following so far. Right. What's the problem? It's pretty simple plan. Yeah. Why you can't just walk to the steps and stand there maybe in a suit. I don't know. I don't know the plan. You're shirt is still on. I'm just reporting. Clearly you don't. Clearly I'm not in on the plan. Right. Because I've got my top on. So either just by chance or because it's what the Lord wanted, when he went to the National Armory vehicle yard, it was not locked. So he drove to the armory, drove on, then went up to the vehicle yard chain link fence, opened it, drove on up to a tank and began getting up onto the tanks and trying the hatches to get in. And he had a crowbar,

so he was crowbarring his way in. And once he got into all three tanks, that should not be that easy to get into. Well, he was a tank man. He knew exactly where to crowbar it. But the first one, here's a very interesting fact that I learned reason kind of half researching this is the M60A3 patent tank. It starts, thank you. It's called cut and paste. I don't know what I'm saying. I'm like a child. Those types of tanks, they start with a push button. Way ahead of its time. Yeah. Yeah, like a fancy, like a BMW. Like a Prius or something. Exactly. That's like, I was like, what, how do you need a key for a tank? Because I was already there. I mean, now I believe you should have to. Truly. There should be individual keys for every tank that only like two guys have.

Yeah. But apparently, once you get in, if you know what button to push and like how to go like this or whatever, I'm doing this based on video games I've seen. You can do it. So basically, he gets to his third tank, and that's when the one guardsman who is there finally sees him and is like, what the fuck? And he realizes the guy's in the tank, and the tank has started and it's starting to move. So instead of trying to run to the tank, or do the dipshit things you see people do in movies where you're like, don't run up to a tank. Don't shoot at a tank. He immediately just calls the police and is like, there's a guy that's trying to steal a tank. I was going to the bathroom. I might have been in there a little too long. I guess the gate was not locked. However,

I was just trying to be a little different today than I normally am. It's hard to let your guard down. So I unlocked the gate and worked on my vulnerability. Someone took advantage of me. So I'm never going to do it again. Basically, this guardsman's on the phone with the cops, and he's like, yeah, so I got a guy. He's taken one of my tanks. I only have three. He can't. Oh, there he goes. He's driving over the chain link fence. No. Yeah. Okay, this is your problem now. San Diego Police Department and Sheriff's Office. Goodbye. Oh my God. Yeah. So now Sean Nelson is, luckily, the onboard cannon, aircraft gun, and machine gun were not loaded. Phew. Yes. Yay. Thank God. So no weapons involved, except, of course, for the tank.

A tank. Okay. Right. Which could also be used as a weapon. As a kind of anything, anyway. It can be used as like a short Godzilla. It's what I like to call tanks. From my time in the Navy. So he starts driving a 57 ton tank through the Clermont neighborhood of San Diego. I keep calling it that for people who don't know San Diego well enough. And it is just drawing everything in its path, obviously. Road signs, traffic lights, utility poles, fire hydrants, tons of parked vehicles, including an RV. All right, let's take a little look. And because he called the guardsmen called the cops immediately, then the press knew immediately. So there was fucking news copter seven was in the air, too sweet. And the entire 23 minute drive was broadcast

the entire time Karen Kilgarev's 25 year old eyeballs where I was just like in the living room smoking like I have to stop taking speed. I'm seeing my own future. Oh, oh, that's blurry. Let's try another one. Oh, I'm going to be a little blurry. Yes, I've totally seen that. That's a fucking street light. Jesus. Question. What was he listening to on his disc man? Oh, had to be slipknot had to be slipknot. Oh, yeah. They didn't even they weren't even invented yet. And he was just like play. Yep. I don't know if they were hidden old like a boombox right there. Right. Oh my even flow. Something like that. Definitely. He was chill. He was what do you listen to on meth? Oh, everything at once. You just press play a cacophony. You scream over

the music as it's playing. Just listen. Oh, honey. Well, I have to take a picture for the insurance man. Oh, I don't care that it's dangerous. They're going to need a picture. Oh my goodness. Yes. That's glorious. You know that that car was like immaculate on the inside. It had a box of Kleenex up in the back. Yes. It was she arm rolled those seats every day and then fuck just do. She had all those boxes of Kleenexes in the trunk for when the one in the back ran out. She was actually the Claremont neighborhood's Kleenex dealer, which is it's that's a whole different. Yeah. That's my story that I'm. Yeah. Look at it. And there's a flood. And there's a flood because he probably had a fire hydrant. He hit lots of fire hydrants apparently. Oh my

God. And you know what else he did is he took down some power lines and some utility poles. So 5100 San Diegans were left with no power. So everybody else was loved. They're like, look at this live fucking low speed chase on the news. You have to come and watch this. And then everyone can gather around. Yeah. I can't watch it and I'm cold. It's only going to take me about 20 minutes to find my spot on this piece of paper again. Um, the tank had a fuel range of 300 miles, but it could only go 30 miles an hour. Oh, what a bummer. So now San Diego police, San Diego, county sheriff's department, highway patrol and the military police are all involved

in what is arguably the slowest high speed chase in American history. Oh my God. Look at the military men. Oh, that's just a pity. That's just a shame. You know what? That's a waste. It's a waste. It's a waste. What kind of like it? This is not my America. You know what? I think we should put locks on these gates. I really do. I do. And I'm going to bring it up at the next meeting. I think it's important. Okay. Here's the, here's this member of this shit. I mean, wow. Yeah. Okay. What are each of those cops listening to?

What? What are each of those cops listening to? Tony Robbins books on tape. Just about being positive and staying positive. And they get on their walkie-talkies and they all press play at the same time because they want to be at the same part with each other. Ready? One, we're going to press play. On three. Wait. On three or after? Do we press it when it's on three or one, two, three? Yeah, then press it. Like we don't, you got to be clear. Tell me, tell me more. I can't. Sorry. It's so rusty. What was it always this hard to turn pages?

Okay. Um, he went. Okay. Before he got to the freeway, he, so he's driving around, as I've said, Claremont, then he goes north on convoy street west. You guys, you love it. You might want to hold for all these streets. You can absolutely individually cheer for every fucking street if you want to, but I'm in a name of a couple. He goes north on convoy. He goes west onto Balboa. Okay. They love that one. Balboa is amazing. They love that one. I just love the asphalt on it. It's so smooth. There's that one Starbucks drive-thru. There's never a line. We have to go there tomorrow. Then it gets on the 805 south. Do you know that on one, in one of our live shows, we made jokes or maybe on the,

just regular podcast, we made jokes about what freeway are you? Someone asks us that in a Q&A episode, what freeway would you be? And we answered it totally fucking earnestly for some reasons because it's like a great question. We're like, ooh, that's interesting. Then at a live show at the last tour, these lovely women, of course, we don't know their names or can't describe them in any way, but still, there's so much gratitude there. They give us these lovely boxes. We open them. They're little pendants with little freeway signs of the freeways we said we were. And I almost cried. I go, did you make this for us? And the girl goes, no, no, somebody makes it. She's like, don't be gross. I don't like you that much. I like shopping for people. Yes.

Yes. It was amazing. Someone get the, someone be the 805. It's somebody nice and wide, thick. Fine, I'll do it. I'm good. I'm good with it. Okay. So while he's driving down this freeway, he tries to take out a pedestrian bridge with now listen, it sounds maybe crazy, but then if you're on drugs and you're in a tank and you're doing it anyway, when you drive up on some shit, you're probably like, well, let's just see if I can knock this down before this ends terribly. Yeah. He rams it a couple of times. Nothing happens. So he keeps going. Oh my God. Yeah. He merges on to route 163 south. You guys love your freeways. Yeah. Well, that one is especially amazing because of all the trees

that hang over. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Is that true? I just made it up. The people who have never listened to this podcast, more so than the actual murder part, are like, why are people fucking cheering? You're sort of like, why are they cheering for murderers? Like they're not cheering for murderers. But then they're like, why are they cheering for fucking freeways? It's the best. There's something about it. We were like, I have to sit on this piece of shit every day. Now somebody's talking about it. I'm going to be like, I know what you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. That's my freeway that makes me suffer every goddamn day. Okay. Anyhow, almost done. So they, when he merges on to that street, officials closed the freeway.

So now everybody on this fucking, what looks like a 24 lane freeway is stuck, stopped. Yeah. And they're just stopped on the freeway. Yeah. And that's that basically happens all over San Diego because of this. So, oh, and then I wrote, and when they find out why they're into it, because, wouldn't you, if somebody's like, oh, all this traffic stopped and you're like trying to find out why you're on the radio? Yeah. Who the fuck did whatever? Can we turn off my Tony Robbins? Right. Yeah. And then someone's like, someone's driving a tank all over the place. You'd be like, yes, I hope he drives it over here. Wouldn't you? Yeah. Drive it by my house. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's also on the doll up there is a, they mentioned Dave watched a video of a guy who

watched the tank go by. They had like, they had the audio of the guy talking about it. And he said, he goes, that little guy went by his head was sticking out. He was smiling, having a great time. Yeah. So there is maybe a little light in the end of the tunnel in this story. It's not called meth. That's for sure. There's a light at the, oh, no, that's more meth. Okay. Okay. So the police, they're like, we have to stop this because obviously this can fucking mayhem and insanity and fire hydrants shooting. So a little embarrassing for the department. Very embarrassing for the military industrial complex. They're not liking it that much. Yeah. Okay. So they start trying to plan the police and law enforcement start trying to plan with the Marine Corps at Camp Pendleton

how they're going to stop the tank. And, right? Go, the fighting. Oh, God. Just do it. Fighting. Don't overthink it. Yep. You've got this. Is it because I'm talking? I screwed it up. All I got is kitchen cabinets. Can we do it? Yes. Great. Because if a kitchen cabinet came running at you on a football field, you're fucked. Yeah. Go, go. An anthropomorphicized, is that right? Kitchen cabinet. That's right. Being like, what's up? We're going to beat you. I'm all elbows. Slivers, slivers, slivers. Okay. Sliver. We're talking about Camp Pendleton like it's a college and we know that that's incorrect. We know that. Yeah. My brother went there to that college. Did he? Did he go to Camp Pendleton College? For the Marines. Yeah. Are you serious? Yeah. All right.

I would never, I would never joke about such a thing. Please never joke about anything like that. Okay. So basically, I'm talking to the Marines. They're like, who can stop a tank? Anybody? And the Marines are like, listen, we've got a Cobra attack helicopter that we're willing to bring in. Fuck. And guess what? We have it here because we put a lock on the gate. Yes. They just like wanted to rub it in a little. You've noticed you've never heard of any civilian driving our Cobra attack helicopter around, right? There's a simple reason. Yeah. It's called being good at stuff. So right as they're planning this, which just imagine that then you're watching the news and then a fucking attack helicopter, which I don't even know what

that means. It just like any helicopter could be an attack helicopter really. Is it one of those ones that just tilts forward really intimidatingly the whole time? And I think that's a video game. I don't know. I don't either. I didn't go to Camp Pendleton. We better, we need to go this summer to Camp Pendleton and just fucking do some arts and crafts. Stop it. Please don't tell the Marines we said this. We're fucked. We're fucked. Okay. Right as they're about to send the Cobra attack helicopter, which I'm not only going to look up on Wikipedia tomorrow, but I might get a model of it and make it. Yes. That's when Sean Nelson decides he's going to cross the freeway divider on the freeway to like basically make a big old U-turn. He's going to flip a tank bitch

on the freeway into a oncoming traffic, but he gets stuck on the divider. No, that's the one thing that he can't. That's the one thing that tanks can't handle. It's like about three feet of cement kind of shaped like the Atari logo. I can't tanks like no, they're like, no, I can't do this. I can't do this anymore. So he gets basically caught onto it. Okay. And he's stuck there and he's just trying to get off. So all those police cars pull up, pull around and a couple cops get up on top. They get the tank open and an officer tells Sean Nelson, take your hands off the controls and we're getting you out of this tank. Okay. And he does not take his hands off the controls and he looks up at the cop and the cops that he's just dead eyed and then went back to trying to get the

tank off of the divider. That cop shoots down into the tank, what shoots him in the shoulder and that bullet goes through and pierces his heart. Holy shit. Yes. Awful. So they pull Nelson out of the tank and he is rushed from the scene. He later dies at Sharp Memorial Hospital at the age of 44. Wow. Yeah. I did not know it was ending that way. Right. We were having so much fun. I know. I told you though, remember the roller coaster metaphor I used? Yes. And I should have listened to the name of this podcast. You should listen to this podcast. I should. It's really negative. The only local news station that aired that moment was KGTV channel 10. Oh, they're always doing shit like that. I'd hold on the cheering for one second. They continued to shoot

with a camera as Nelson's body is pulled out of the tank and that's how Sean Nelson's brother Scott found out that his brother was driving the tank and was now shot. They didn't even know who it was before that. Right. It was just a fucking dude in a tank. Nameless faceless tank. It's a tank. Shit. So even though he ran over 40 cars down to power lines, caused power outages and traffic jams around the city, miraculously, the only person hurt or killed during the tank rampage was Sean Nelson. Yeah. Yeah. The state of California ended up paying the bill for all of that fun. He got the last laugh. Who has the last laugh? Yeah. He got it. Who has the last laugh? Georgia asks those with a tank. That's right. It amounted to $150,000 in 90s money. Yeah. Shit. And now

all military tanks in the state. Oh, after that, all military tanks in the state were relocated to Camp Roberts and San Luis Obispo and Fort Irwin and Barstow. Yeah. Keep them safe there. Those San Luis Obispo folks won't do that. Yeah. Turns out San Diego lost their tank privileges after that. It wasn't cool. And in closing, Sean Nelson's brother Scott said, my brother was a good man. He'd help anybody. He just couldn't help himself. Do not do crystal meth. I'm not kidding. And that is the San Diego tank rampage of 1995. Wow. Oh, that's it on the median. Yeah. Oh, I see how it got stuck. That's him getting taken away. Okay. Horrible. Well, how the fuck am I going to follow that? I'm sorry. Shit. Blame the National Guard. I didn't fucking do it. That was amazing. Thank

you. Great job. All right. I'm going to tell you, Karen. Okay. And you may have seen this on an episode of Forensic Files. That was called, this episode was called Hand Delivered, which you'll find out why in a minute. This is the murder of Don Harden. You'll see. Okay. Thanks. Yeah. No, it's okay. That's really supportive. It doesn't sound as good. Yeah. I'm going to... It doesn't have the word tank in there. How the fuck am I supposed to compete with that? You're not supposed to. I'm not competing. We're now in a different individual reality. Okay. Here we are. Well, we're still in the fucking 90s, April 1994. Can't get away from the fucking 90s. This tank thing's about to happen. Really? No. Same bad things. You know. And these workers at the San

Diego Fiber Corporation, they're sitting through some cardboard and recycling bin. You break and shit down. You know how they have to do. Are you the kind of person who puts a cardboard box in the recycler without breaking it down? Yes. Me too. I mean, I don't carry an exacto knife in my fucking pocket. Sorry. I'm not the janitor. The shame I get from Vince when I'm just like, I'm just thrown in. Who cares? Just kind of smash it with your hand. I'm going to put other stuff inside of it. Okay. We'll get it next week. Yeah. Unfortunately, these fucking dudes are doing the cardboard shit and they happen upon a gruesome discovery to dismembered human hands. Oh, no. Or a pair of them. Two matching hands. A righty and a lefty? Yes. Of the same person.

Right. But there's no person. And like fucking forensic files hand delivered episode. Now you get it. Why they're so clever. Thanks dad. Good pun dad. Good pun dad. They show the fucking hands. I swear to God. They're just like, here they are. I'm like, I can't. What if I showed you these? No. No. It's insane. I wouldn't. You can look yourself later. It's terrible. It's fucking hands. It's crazy. Also, like you're working at the recycling plant. I bet you they're on like just pins and needles constantly because they're like, this is where something awful is going to show up. You know what I mean? They're just like every single thing. It's just like, hey dude, it's just a Pepsi bottle. That's what I would be like. They're scaredy cats over there. Yeah.

That's what you're saying. Yeah. Okay. So the hands are brought to the fucking lab, you know. Now, can I ask an inappropriate question? Always. Since we don't know who we're talking about and we're still in the early. Okay. Do you think people carried the hands like this? Hand shake style? Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. My brain showed me a picture and then I said the words about the picture. Sorry. That's the name of this podcast. Oh. You know someone did that. There's the next right? No, it's good. Come back here. Okay. No shame here. Just between friends. There's no shame here. We're all good. Okay. Take your binoculars out. This is the portion. Okay. So they x-ray the hands to see, I don't know, and they show that the joints, there's degenerative

damage in the joints which is consistent with someone over 60 and they're like, oh, these look like dude hands. They're dude's hands. So it's a guy over 60. It's pretty clear. Yeah. Unless you're a piano player. Oh, really? Do ladies piano playing? You know, and they always like lotion up and wear gloves and stuff. No, no. Based on these fucking hands that they just show you on Friends or Crowds, they're like clearly an older man's hand. Okay. The size of the right, there's one distinctive feature which they're hoping will identify eventually the person, there's a thumbnail missing like permanently or whatever. I know. Detectives check local hospitals and morgues. They're like, does anyone not have their hands? Quick question,

and then I'll let you go to lunch. Yeah. And there isn't any. Meanwhile, and this is related maybe, meanwhile across town, a woman named Mary and a woman named Terry, sisters. I just, yeah. It's not their fault, it's their mom's fault. They're beginning to worry because they haven't seen their father in over a week. Right. His name is Don Harden and they call everyone. No one's heard from him. They're like, where the fuck is he? On April 6th, they hire a locksmith to get inside his house. His cane is still there. His prescription medication is all there. He's not there. And they, there's like a TV guide open to March 28th, which makes them think that that was the last time he was home. TV guide is, used to be such a like thing. Like,

I know, it's open to the TV guy. Yeah, like people would keep it there and just be like, what is on tonight? Like that was before anybody would tell you anything before the information age when it was up to you to find out what the fuck was going on. Yeah. Well, that's, yeah. His TV, VCR, and microwave are all missing. I hope that was one machine. TV, VCR, and microwave. Why haven't they made that? And that TV guide was about everything where it's like, put in popcorn now. Oh, good idea. The commercial break, brush your teeth. And now diagnosis murder. So, and also Don Harden's pickup truck is gone. And so the sisters file a missing persons report. Let me show you his picture. He was

an old Navy man. He used to be the Navy. Yeah. He was a beard visionary. He knew what was coming in the future. The beard trend. He knew. He was totally from Brooklyn. So that's, that's Don. Retired, widowed, moved to San Diego to be closer to his, to Mary and Terry. And, okay. So, while they file the missing persons report, police hear that this guy Don is missing a thumbnail on his hand. And so they know immediately that in the fingerprint analysis, and the hands are those of, I'd like about his age, he's 74. Oh, okay. He's a retired Navy pilot. And they search his home and find evidence of robbery, but no signs of forced entry. They look out, you know, for stolen items at pawn shops and ship. But the only thing that's

found is his wallet, driver's license, and some Army medals in a dumpster, which is crazy that they were even found, right? Yeah. And the kitchen, it's obvious to detectives that there's been cleanup and then as well as a trail of blood from the kitchen to the living room. They do the luminal shit. You know, yeah. And the shower curtain is missing. Always a bad sign. And they find blood stains, et cetera. They do the luminal and large pools of blood in both the kitchen and the bathroom are found. One of the investigators said it was the most luminal he's ever seen light up in his life. And he said it glowed like a Christmas tree. So the worst Christmas tree ever. It's so funny too. Like as you say the word luminal, it's like you can track how crime scene

investigation has developed because before the DNA thing, it was all about that luminal. It was like that's all. Every forensic files episode. Every forensic files. There was a moment where there's like the B roll footage of like a light going off and everything turning horribly blue. I wonder if they still even use it. I'll make some calls. Okay, thank you. DNA tests show DNA tests from 94 which I'm sure were great show that the blood is Don Hardin's and the amount of blood the forensic pathologist is like he didn't this is he died for sure. And then they were like also he was dismembered in the bathtub based on the blood. I know it sucks. So police tell the Hardin's daughters and they're completely in fucking shock because they don't know anyone who

would want to kill their dad. He's like a lovely man to that, you know, kind man. And one of as evidence to this he always aided homeless people and one of the ways he did that was hiring them to do odd jobs around his property and he would let them live in a camper in his backyard as well. Four shadowing. But neighbors all let's see. And the daughters were like kind of glad that someone was there with him so they could keep an eye on him in case of emergencies. An older man he uses a cane. And then on March 28th the day that the TV guide was open to 94, Don is last seen by neighbors driving his truck and one of those homeless men is a passenger in that truck. His name is Dale Whitmer. He's a 41-year-old drifter. He has a record for vagancy and intoxication

but no history of violence. And they see him later in the truck and Don isn't there. And they see him backing up close to Hardin's house and putting shit in the truck and latering the days. So they pick him up for questioning. He denies knowledge of Don's whereabouts, doesn't know what happened to him. He says he loaned him the pickup truck but hadn't seen him since. And says that he had worked for Don Hardin on and off for years and he thought of the old man almost like a father figure. But friends and neighbors are like no he fucking doesn't because he was talking shit all over town about Don Hardin. And he said that Don had a bad temper and he was always calling him names and poking at him and yelling at him because he was working around

his house. That was his side of the story. So they ask him to do a polygraph test. He's like nope out of there. And he's obviously the lead suspect but they only had circumstantial evidence. There's no other body parts to be tested so there's no other leads and the case goes cold. And then a year later police receive an anonymous letter. Oh wait, I have a photo of Dale Whitmer. Oh Patrick fucking Swayze. Oh his evil twin brother. Yes, this was before the outsiders. Yeah. We've said it a thousand times but you do transition lenses. It is 17 red flags in a row. Your convenience of having sunglasses indoors to intentionally creep people out so they can't watch your pupils as they narrow and as you find your prey. Yeah. Just don't. Absolutely

not. We're against them. So okay a year later they receive an anonymous letter and in the letter it details the murder of Don Hardin and then it's a bunch of shit that hadn't been released to the public. However, then they were like like for the fact that he was dismembered in the bathtub and it's like well where the fuck else would be? You could have guessed that pretty easily. Yes, that's true. Like I don't know. But they knew that and so the cops thought it was legit. And the writer was like I know all this info. My friend, let's call him Bob, he's the one who knows who the killer is because he told him about it and it's Dale Whitmer. So he said he killed him because Dale hated Don Hardin and he was a heroin addict so he wanted to punish shit

and he claims that he put the body into the bathtub dismembered it and then put it in garbage bags bearing different bags all over the county and in Mexico. Wow. Yeah and the fucking yeah. Fucking yeah. Yeah, truly. So the letter goes on to say that this person Bob who had told this letter writer about it won't come forward to testify against Dale. He doesn't want to tell anyone about it and the letter writer says quote I asked him to contact you directly but he didn't feel like he could do it. Bob is convinced that Dale will know Bob is the source of the information and may try to silence him or hurt him in some way. So this fucking person doesn't even want to talk about it and it's clear to the police that the person who wrote the letter does want to help

though so they're like let's find this person who wants to be anonymous. Great. So here's luminal. No, let's put luminal on everything right now. So the forensic document office in San Diego police department they analyzed the letter and so here's the thing this is a mistake that you shouldn't that you won't make in the future I guess when you're committing a crime or writing an anonymous letter he doesn't put a person who sent it doesn't put a stamp on it he puts it through the office automatic you know the stamp machine sure he does that that's a mistake because the postal meter the it prints a number on the envelope with the stamp of the number of the serial number of the meter but the guy person who wrote the letter was like I'm

smarter than this I'm not going to give them that number and he uses just white out yeah so he went out of his way to conceal that number he knew it you know what it would do but he didn't cut it teeny tiny scissors and get rid of it he used white out he used a thing that never worked and shouldn't have been invented because I can't tell you how many book reports uh the piece of binder paper weighed three pounds because I fucked up so many words and it's just big clumps of like weird white paste with like torn yeah no no which is like also so pure at heart this person was like I really want to talk about this murder I don't think it's right I'm gonna you know he's just like clearly is let me get my school supplies and see what I can do

yeah um let's see so uh obviously the forensic document experts were like are you fucking kidding me this is the this is I could do this in my sleep bro but it's an episode of forensic files so they need to make it long and so uh they let her they look for trace evidence latent evidence and then they eventually uh just turn the envelope envelope over cut it in half hold it up to the sun yeah and use like what essentially it sounds like a like a fucking black light like or a fucking what are those lava lamps it's that easy you dip it into the top of a lava lamp yeah and it comes out yeah and they find this serial number when they and it turns out the serial number of them it reveals the state the city the street name and the office address

of the postal meter like it couldn't be more hobbies horoscopes every single thing that's right it's a business located in La Mesa California uh the owner of the company is a dude named Mark Davis and he's a bishop at the Mormon church so the cops walk in and he's like fuck I'm never trusting white out again uh and he's like look uh the source of the information because he was the writer because someone had told him about it right yeah yeah so he was like here's like first of all I'm wearing secret underwear secondly let me just get this off my chest yeah yeah I'm wearing a strange garment okay anyway and I hate white out um but but but so he's like here's the thing the person who told me about it is a member of my church so I have

you know privilege whatever church privileges for church privileges so I don't have to I don't have to tell you anything no no no no no no right it's quoted um and the cops are like oh yeah we're gonna fucking take you to court and we're gonna god's gonna be like those aren't your privileges anymore and they do and god is like or the judge is like yeah you can tell us and the reason they the judge rules against him and says that the privilege was already broken when Dave when this guy Davis wrote the letter to the police oh that's true but it's almost like well you broke it already you might as well fucking spill it's like kind of okay you know oh I'm on the judge's side okay well so is everyone else I am too like I want tell it to these people

we don't want it to be solved so they're like dude just tell us everything and and so Mark Davis the Mormon church bishop was like shit okay the person who told me is about Dale Whitmer being the fucking murderer is Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints when he appeared to the Cowboys in Arizona that's right one of those ones it's it's Dale's fucking daughter what's zone daughter Andrea who was Bob who told the bishop about the other guy yes like my dad's the one who did it right so uh so yeah she apparently he told her everything and she fucking told her bishop thinking it was privileged the bishop was like I can't keep this and told so on October 29th 1996 Dale Whitmer is charged with Don Harden's murder he pleads not guilty

but the star witness against him is his own fucking daughter who finds she's like this is really hard I don't want to like I have to tell the truth on the stand because you know I I swear into God and shit um but I don't want to betray my dad that he's a murderer so uh so she's fucking spills the beans yeah oh I think I have a photo of her she's like this sucks is that her in court yeah she's like Jesus literally she awful secret undergarments so um so they prosecutors theorize that Whitmer disposed of the body parts in numerous dumpsters already said that to this fucking day the only thing that's ever been found was the hands really yeah how crazy is that it's it just makes you wonder what's in landfills and shit well

we're that's why we're gonna go to one tonight everybody do it after party I was thinking we should go and open all the cages at SeaWorld and let all the animals out you're free why aren't you leaving all those fish cages you're free come on come on come on why are you sitting there they're like we've only ever lived here we don't please don't make us go out there we don't know how to catch fish unless someone throws it from a bucket please someone train us they want to be there nope nope nope that's like your aunt Diane's response they love it there oh my god we went and that orca was smiling no no you just have vacation guilt okay so jury of course finds Dale Whitmer guilty of second degree murder and a sentence he

sentenced to 15 years to life in prison with the eligible eligibility of parole in just 10 sweet years mm-hmm yep uh he and so he has petitioned for parole but is denied every time thankfully the parole board is like uh cites the fact that he hasn't taken part in any rehab program or he's and he's not working to better himself behind bars um and he let's see he doesn't show any remorse and he's considered a risk to the public so he hasn't been paroled go um yes hey something to clap for after the trial Don's oh wait let me show you this one that's him looking like Patrick Swayze again doesn't he uh-huh with like yellow hair everything's beige he goes and eats hands his face sunglasses and hair

yeah um after the trial Don Hardin's hands are cremated and his ashes are buried by the US Navy at sea off the coast of California his daughters feel closure after the father has this proper proper burial at sea because it was one of his final wishes that they were able to carry out oh nice that is the murder of Don Hardin aka hand delivered hand delivered hand it's so especially awful it's like we talk about things where it's random crime we talk about things where it's like in the horrible in the family crime but this is a person who got murdered because he was helping somebody right and that's fucking awful never help people if you leave here with anything tonight uh-huh is keep your all your money in your pocket and

also leave here with those binoculars pick them in your purse I dare you the messages steal the binoculars everybody we don't know why we wish we did the fucking theater like charges us for all that they're like they told them to steal the binoculars comes out of our permission from the stage do we have time for hometown it's time oh my god sitting down for so long oh tour manager didn't say it for everybody what's up yeah tour manager husband extraordinaire you got us off that overpass I'm uh in a legal contract with the lady in the lobby got to get those binoculars back did you take them now okay stage or not it's uh they don't fuck around with the binoculars okay I've got some cash make sure I get them back I'm going to be right

over there so okay thank you thank you so much then say for about events April holding it down making it happen for us that's right um hey okay I think it's important to state that this is the first fucking hometown of 2019 yes let's run down I won't do the same rules I always do most people know them this is that we forgot to say our thing in the beginning there are definitely some people in this room who a got brought by another person have no idea what's going on and still don't to this moment welcome hi how are you thank you for not leaving thank you for giving us the benefit out thanks for just having that weird smile on your face and rolling your eyes we can't see you it's perfect um we one of our last shows last year there was um we found this out afterwards

when we met some people in the meet and greet line remember this there were um I can't remember what city we were in maybe it was Austin and there were some older ladies who came to the show because they thought it was murder mystery theater I forgot all about that how we not talked about that on the podcast I know we had to we'll have to put that on our list but there's so these girls that sat next to these ladies said that in the beginning they're like what what's this they thought it was going to be like a an interactive play and meanwhile we're like fuck shit and also fuck yeah and they left no they did not leave no all right that was it there was a different show where people got up and stormed out because they were seasoned ticket holders and they thought it

was fan of the opera part two yes yes because of our because of the picture poster were we all serious because I'll only show half of my face it makes you look serious and mysterious they thought it was the sequel to phantom of the opera yeah it's nothing better than those audience stories okay so anyway the point is what we're trying to say is this is the part where uh georgia will pick somebody out of the audience to come up and tell everybody their hometown story please keep in mind um that this is a humongous theater the lights are going to be up and it's going to be very nerve-wracking so it'll be great if you're not drunk or on meth um it's better or you can be a little drunk but you have to be able to follow your own story and um it has

to be local or everyone will reject you socially um and it's really good if it's a little bit uh maybe weird or uplifting or there's some kind of up part that's nice the end yeah a little pop as georgia likes to say um and then just remember that if you get picked everyone else hates you so hurry the fuck up all right now if we could have the house lights up just for a second so georgia can pick the first hometown thank you i don't oh i hate doing this so much you shaking your yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that was fast sorry holy shit hey get your binoculars out while she's on her way oh yeah yeah yeah i'm looking at your oh she's got a midriff shirt on she fucking parties this is gonna be amazing you can bring those house so thank you yeah you know thank

you the light person is on point hi hi how are you oh my god uh look at your outfit delaney delaney this is delaney everybody say hello to her yes i love your outfit yes she wore her show clothes so imagine this material but in tight pants is what i had is what i wore i've been sweating so much i know this tonight it's crazy you sweat a lot it's all plastic i mean it doesn't breathe it doesn't breathe where are you from delaney i am from san diego i live out in alpine which is way east um it's kind of like the petaluma maybe of san diego kind of like everybody has like farm animals and like my neighbors have donkeys and it's crazy awesome well but anyways to my hometown voter so um i just iced delaney on the petaluma parallel it's just like mmm we'll

see we'll see i was waiting for you to be like in what's your hometown but you just stared there so um that was a serious power move on my part i don't know what i'm doing okay mine is the murder of danielle van damme oh yeah it was pretty crazy so um she was murdered in about i think it was 2002 and she was just about the same age as i was when it happened which was about six seven years old and i was so terrified that i slept to my parents floor of their bedroom for about five years wow yeah years really it was a couple years they called somebody and they were like what do we do like i mean it's bad yeah it was bad um so they at least put like a cut down or something i slept in a sleeping bag for a couple for a while yeah it was awful well that's a very

that's a very young age to like realize something like that yeah no it was yeah so um she was um she lived and was abducted in poway of area um but she was found her body a month later was found on dehesa road which is near alpine it's very like uh rural yeah um so what happened was um it was early february 2002 she was her husband was or the husband was home the dad and um tucked in danielle and her brothers and the mom was out at a local bar um and they were kind of knowing who's being more like drinking parents i ever know this one you know what yeah oh my god um the mom got home like around when the bar closed with a couple friends around 2am and she noticed um i think it was her garage like side door was open and the alarm

their security alarm was off and so she kind of like blew it off like it was nothing hung out with her friends for a little bit and then went to bed with her family and then a little bit later the husband woke up i think to the alarm off again and i believe it was a siding glass door that was open so again kind of blew it off like it was nothing went back to bed and about 9 30 the next morning they woke all their kids up you know danielle was missing nothing wasn't anywhere so they called the cops immediately and i believe at the time it was the biggest search effort in all of california history for search teams um and so it was a whole month that she was missing they did not find anything and it was david westfield her next door neighbor i believe

two doors down had abducted her in the middle of the night taken her in his rv and then went out to silver strand state beach um where you can beach camp over in cornado um and then out after that i don't know how long he was there but it was about a month total um he went out to glamorous out in the desert after and i there's even videos you can find online of um he got stuck and had to get like pulled out by people um so when they found her um it was at the end of february so it was just about a month and it was really rural area and they did not they could not confirm her cause of death or whether he she was sexually assaulted and he they found out the police found a ton of um child pornography all over his computers and everything so you can assume but um yeah they

weren't able to find anything and at the time they built a huge um it was a pink staircase i believe that was her memorial on dehesa and i remember my brothers were taking um right across the street was a um uh golf course and they were taking golf lessons so at the time i drove there every day dropping them off with golf lessons and i was super terrified saw it all the time did the guy get arrested and shit yeah he's um i believe in san quen and um i don't know if he got the death penalty or not i can't remember but i know he's at least there for life um if not the death penalty okay say her name again daniel delaney no no no the girls oh daniel van damme daniel van damme and there's a memorial overpass and alcohol for her so you'll probably see her name you guys drive down

there that's great delaney thank you so much great job you guys give it up for her yeah yeah thank you oh it's like shit you find out when you're a little kid that's just like oh this is real life i feel like most of us murderinos that's what happened yes exactly also it's extra creepy like being five or six when delaney was and then it's like oh a neighbor you know what i mean like so it's all it you have you live in that world where you're like oh the neighbor everybody's friends and we all they all everybody protects each other monster who did it yeah it's your fucking neighbor two doors down that's fucking horrible that's why we're here um well wow that's how we like to wrap things up awful memories awful local memories yeah like i'll

remember you know the gold yeah that's right thank you guys for fucking being in our first show of the fucking year it was that was that was an amazing kickoff um i mean i don't know this is uh this has been such an incredible experience we um have such a we have such a good time well not when you do that but we have such a good time the fact that we get to come out here come to these shows you guys bring so much energy and positivity and excitement and then we get to talk about this thing we're fascinated by that's fucking horrible um it's very freeing it's also very it's kind of very life affirming in a weird way um it's like saying these are the things these are my biggest fears yeah and everybody else going yeah those are mine too and we get to laugh about it we get

to do things the way we want to do them and we don't have to give a shit about who's judging us because we're all together and that's an amazing feeling for us and we're glad that it's an amazing feeling for you too uh and we just can't believe we keep getting to do this the start of like we keep waiting for you know not to sell out anymore and not tour because they're over it yeah you guys are here it's the beginning of a fucking big tour thank you so much again for supporting us yeah you're insane you're here we're here it's very fun and we thank you so so much thank you so much do us a favor stay sexy and thanks San Diego