My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 263 - Let Me Challenge You

Episode Date: February 25, 2021

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To my favorite murder. That's Georgia Hartstark. That's Karen Kilgaris. Hi guys. Here we are. Once again, just a couple of friends. And here we go. Recording a podcast for you.

You know what we should shout out? May I, may I suggest, please, it's basically almost very soon coming up on the one year anniversary of fucking coronavirus. The end of the world and the beginning of the lockdown. We made it. I mean, we're making it look, because should we just be a little honest? The last time we went to record, it was a bumpy ride for both of us. We got 20 minutes in and I said, should we just put up a light?

It was like, it was dark thing after dark thing. That was just like, no one wants to hear dark thing after dark thing. It was, it was like, it's, it was exactly the opposite of what you would go, oh, I'm going to listen to a podcast. Whatever your 17 reasons might be, none of them were on this list of this stuff we started talking about. And it was that kind of thing where it was almost like an amazing example of anti-conversation where we both had like our own agendas and it was just like, well, I want to, and then

we shouldn't do it. We shouldn't do it. What you're saying is not what we should be doing right now. But okay, well, can I say something? And then it turned, and then Georgia goes, uh, I'm not into this. Can we do a live show? And I was like, yes. That's the solution.

That was such a relief because there was part of me that like just wanted to close my computer and walk away because I was like, this is so depressing right now. And I don't know. It was awful. And then I, and then we just kept both doubling down and being like, well, did you watch this? And like, well, did you fucking, did you drown your sorrows in this? Did you learn this lesson from this documentary? It was just like, could, could we somehow re-approach why we love to do this?

And it's not about listing shows we watch on stream services. And I think that's what like everyone is like, we're all just like, we have nothing left to give you, but, um, suggestions for what is, is distracting us from the past year. Like we haven't done anything else. It's mo, it's much more fun to talk about real things that we can both get into instead of like, well, did you watch it or didn't you? That's what this, that's what all podcasts should be called out. Let me challenge you.

Did you or not watch it? And the answer is going to be no, because we watch completely different fucking styles of everything. Yes. However. However. Did you watch? This is the only one I have to ask.

So Woody Allen is a, is a clear and present child molester documentary. I did not. Allegedly. I did not. Okay. We'll talk about it next. Sorry. No, it's good.

Because that's what exactly we're not doing. Moving on. I mean, no, and I, not to shut you down and not to being a conversationally negative. Oh. Right here. Oh. Look who wants to be in the conversation. George.

What's up? This is the first time she's ever like actually put her, her, her, her muzzle into the conversation. You know why I made a deadly mistake? What'd you do? I usually feed them before I start recording. She's like, excuse me, my, uh, I'm wearing this watch and it says six 10 right now. I will be with you shortly. I'm wearing a shark, a shark watch and I hear you speaking and it's really.

I see that you've pulled your, uh, your pocket watch out of your vest pocket. Mom, I've been learning about boundaries and I just want you to know I've been working and really been triggered lately. I feel like everyone's going through a point in therapy because it's so quiet in our lives. You know, there's like outside noise and desperation, but like inner, our inner lives are quiet. And so the, my there, okay. So, all right.

So I, Vince and I are in the, in Ventura, California on a, just I'm calling it, um, an, an air beam breather, that's not good, that's not great, um, I'm working on it, but it's basically, it's basically the idea of let's go stare at different walls because we're so fucking sick of the walls we've been staring at. Yep. And my therapist was like, you're not allowed to read or listen to any self-help books or podcasts on your trip because you've just got to stop it and you just need to read something fun and you're trying to absorb a way too much like self-help learning shit and sometimes

just needs to ruminate. What was my point? That's a good, well, no, that, that's the point in and of itself. That's a really good point is like, but you know what it is, you're, you basically went to the coast to like basically have a different experience. So you actually have to be in that experience, not trying to fix past experiences while you're having a present. Right.

And then I was like, I was accidentally being like, yeah, I canceled my second appointment of the week in therapy and I'm just like, here we are. I love that you were like, what the fuck is she doing in Ventura? Like it doesn't make any, it's actually a lovely little beach beach side town. I wasn't like trying to be judgmental about Ventura. It's just like, it's just basically like that it's, it's not a destination where you, when you said that I was like, she must have a cousin that lives there, something like that. That's the vibe it had.

Right. It's the quieter, less pretentious, no offense, Santa Barbara. Yes. So that's what I forgot that it's right there on the coast. It's an hour away. I mean, we really like it here. It's like the one safe thing you can do is either go camping or go to the beach, like go to the coast, the empty ocean.

So nice one. I mean, that's really nice. Yeah. Go suck up some of those, the negative ions, get that good clean air. The walls are so different over here. There's fucking, there's like a sea fish, seaside motif going on with this Airbnb person knows who they're fucking selling to. Yeah.

They're like, you, we know you're here for this big mouth bass or whatever. Yeah. There's a palm frond in the middle. Oh, and we left the puppy at home with our incredible trainer. So we're leaving the puppy at home to be better by the time we get back. Like nothing feels better. Good luck. Yeah.

Thank you. It's just to get a be less of a puppy in two days. Well, Ken, may I? Yeah. Yeah. Sarah DeVoshe, we believe in you. Speaking of decor, can I have, can I do one suggestion or what I've found that's made me really happy?

This can be a decor corner because I can actually tell you what to do. Oh, great. Yeah. Okay. You know, I've told you about like, what was it called cottage core? Thank you. Like cottage core. And I've told you about, you know, why I could do that?

Why? Because there's only so many topics we've talked about. You know that there was eight months ago that I remember every word you said to me. I remember every word. Okay. Well, there's cottage core. I've talked to you about beekeeping and the new hashtag obsession I have that I didn't know I was until I saw it is called hashtag clutter core.

And it's just pro clutter. Cure core or hashtag maximalism. And it's just people like me, you've been in my fucking house that are just choppy addicts. And these people, it's me. It's just, it's, and I felt so guilty about it for so long, it's just shit everywhere. Like you fill your house with clutter, but it's a meaningful clutter. It's vintage clutter, which you and I both love. And I, I suddenly am like, Oh, I don't feel guilty about it anymore.

It's an aesthetic. It's like every single piece that you see in my house, you can point to and I'll tell you a story about it. It's just like, it feels good to look up clutter core or clutter cores. It's basically somebody's risen up against Marie Kondo. They're just like, we will not suffer under the lash of this minimalism anymore. Listen, I touch every single thing and they're all haunted and they give me joy and fuck

you about it. Yeah. Fuck you about it. For sure. She seems really nice. So like not fuck you, but just like back off, not fuck her back off. Well, you just get to like what you like the end. And I think Marie would, I think that's what Marie's actually deeply all about.

She's just kind of like, figure out what you like and then do that. I can think of this when, so we tried to record yesterday and my, uh, Wi-Fi went out like old school style and it was, it felt like I was lying. I kept texting. So funny. I'm using Georgia. You were texting me. You were texting me.

I'm not lying. It's not work, like it's saying, like, we don't like you right now and screenshots of it. And then you're like, I'm not lying. I'm not lying. Georgia, I am not, but it felt like the classic live, like, sorry, my wife buys out any way by. Totally.

But as I texted Stephen of like, holy shit, I can't get this. I can't do that. Whatever. Stephen texted back a Marie condo, um, gift and it's her going, I love mess. And it made me laugh so hard. Damn it. Stephen is the king of, the king of the guests. So good.

I love mess. I was going to say, do you see my, it's literally stacks of dinosaur toys. Stephen is hashtag clutter core to the clutter core to the dinosaur bone. Now, if you are less interested in clutter core or you're still looking, you're neither minimalist nor maximalist and you're not sure. My friend Dave Messmer, who, um, you've, I'm sure I've told many, many stories about, uh, he was my roommate in college and in LA. He's the one that lip sync groove is in the heart that time we were really stoned and

he wouldn't stop. I think about that a lot actually. He's one of the funniest people of all time. Thank you. And, uh, he told me about, um, this Danish concept called how you get the way he pronounced it. Yeah. That's accurate.

Okay. But it's essentially the Danish way of living, which is about being cozy and there's, oh, I'm thinking immediately there's really thick cable nets, like obscenely large knit cable knit, uh, blankets. Yes. And hot. That's one of the things they were like, wrap a blanket around you, you get it cut. You have drinks, soup or drink a big cup of tea, soup in a mug, socks.

That's what it's all about. There's a book. I haven't read it, but is the first thing that came up and that's what every, when I looked it up when he and I were talking about, it's called the little book of Hague, Danish secrets to happy living, H-Y-G-G-E. Okay. H-Y-G-G-E. And the author is Mike M-E-I-K, Wiking W-I-K-I-N-G.

Oh, you were saying his last name was Mike. Mike, Mike. I don't get it. Mike. And it's might be a woman we don't know. Okay. But I love that idea. Because remember when we were in, we were somewhere, I think we were in Amsterdam and

we stayed in that hotel where I was like, I want this as an apartment. Oh, yeah. It was just like, everything was just perfectly. Definitely. Tile-y. The color, everything about it was. It was almost Mediterranean, how like, how perfect it was, yeah. The tiles, the colors, the, everything about it was so perfect.

And I feel like. Oh, I'm going to look at that. It's that vibe. It's that vibe. Okay. I'm going to do the hashtag for sure. H-Y-G-E. H-Y-G-E.

There is a, I do feel, when we bought our house, it had a wood-burning fireplace, which I know is like, whenever you look at houses online, it's like wood-burning fire, like original wood-burning fireplace. But we immediately turned it into a gas fireplace because I was just like, I just want to fucking turn it on when I want to turn it on. Like, to me, that's the, like, height of luxury, the height of luxury. So, I know that, like, it kind of probably dinged our house a little bit, like, on the market, but who gives a shit, it was, it was fucking worth, like, now we just light fires

all the time. Well, yeah. And also in LA, just don't light fires because you'll burn everything down. Right. It's also really bad for the environment. So, leave me alone, you hashtag fireplace purists. Let me say this. Okay.

Let's talk about another positive, something that's happening on social media that's very positive. There's a friend, Kyle Russell, who has been doing the lip syncs of us, and he's just keeps churning them out. And each one funnier than last. There was one I just watched, it's, and I said this before, Kyle, thank you for making me like and appreciate my own thing because that's the part of this that is difficult is sometimes I just go like, I don't want to hear my own voice anymore.

I don't want to think about it anymore. It's the difficult thing. And it's like, I watch that and it makes me love us where I'm like, oh. And there was one where you're talk, he's doing you talking over here. And as I'm answering you, he's putting on lip gloss. It was black nail polish. It was black nail polish. So good.

And then he just did the one where we're talking about baby Donna and he does it with a person named Courtney, who's at court underscore Agnew. It's so funny. It's like, it's that tick tock thing that I, it makes me feel like I'm 80 years old. I'm like, do I get the children do at me, which is a rat concept. Very cute. Thank you guys. What's his name?

Dave Hill. Do you know Dave Hill? Are you friends with him? Yeah. That reminds me of the duet me thing, which is like a thing on tick tock where like one person will either like do an acting thing and you can act against them on your own and record it or like play music. So Dave Hill, who's a fucking hilarious comedian who also happens to be like shred on guitar

in a way that like doesn't make sense and isn't fair. He's amazing. He did a duet me with Ed Sheeran. It's on his Instagram and tick tock where Ed Sheeran's like do at me and starts strumming his little guitar and then Dave Hill comes in and fucking turns it into a metal song. That's the most like just like nail work hand finger work. I've never seen in my life. It was so badass.

He's the best. Yeah. He's genuinely a hilarious. He's so funny. He's so funny. Yeah. Love Dave Hill. If you want to watch another, you know, our obsession with speed, what's the speed washing

called? Oh, power wash. Power washing. So this woman now on Instagram who found her calling. It's really interesting. Her name is Lady Taffos, T-A-P-H-O-S. She found her calling in, it's not power washing because she uses all natural ingredients and like really gives care and love into cleaning old vintage headstones.

Oh, yes. Like a cemetery. And she does, you know, like she'll do slaves who died hundreds of years ago and like tell their story and just like really care take these old, you know, moss covered dark covered stones that you can barely read and then cleans them. And I didn't realize that it was like a thing that called to her that she had to do after her divorce. And so there's this podcast called divorce club podcast where they just talk to people

who, who went through divorces and what, you know, how they came out on the other side. That's really awesome as well. So I recommend that as well. Okay. A really beautiful thing of like, yeah, I was watching, I saw one of those because it got, I somehow saw it on Twitter and it is incredibly satisfying because it's like a cleaning video, like a power washing video. But then the thing underneath is like historical, a beautiful mini monument to a person that

may not have been even seen because there was all that stuff covering it. And you, you know, yeah, I love that project. It's like a nice little really cool. Yeah. It's really nice. Totally. You know, what I was going to mention is since we're just going to do, I mean, what else can we do?

We can't, this is all we can do. And you're like, what is life but suggestions? But a series of suggestions for yourself and others and your friends, what do you do if you hang out with friends? You suggest things to them. That's right. If you liked the book attached, which I recommended about a month ago, which I loved and it felt like I blazed through it so quickly, another, there's another book that actually goes a

little bit deeper and breaks it down a little bit more because the, and it's, it's kind of full circle because I know I'm going to say her last name wrong again, Cara Lohan Thiel or Thyle, who hosts Unfuck Your Brain, which is the other podcast I recommended. I listened to an episode she did where she talked about, she kind of believes in attachment theory, but believes there's more to it and then recommended this book. And this is a book called Insecure in Love by Leslie Becker Phelps. I own that because a friend went to couples therapy and they, and she immediately, her therapist was like, yeah, I'll need to read this.

Yes. Insecure in Love. Yes. It's fascinating and it is the detail work, you know what it is, everybody wants some kind of a like, how the fuck do you do this? Yeah. Like how do you maintain a relationship with a person? How do you actually past, past the initial, what everyone likes part where you're like,

you're attractive, you talk the way I like. This is fun. We're the same. Blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Yeah. Milestones and then it's like real. I totally get that.

And when you get past that, it's like, then when the problems come up, it's like, Beth, fuck it or whatever your approach is, these, it's like actually helpful information about why people do the things they do. So if you need that or you liked the other book, Insecure in Love by Leslie Becker Phelps. I think a good thing to remember too is that like, nobody has that easy. You look around at other couples and you're like, how are they, they're such a perfect couple. They're so good at it.

And that's like just an impossible, it's impossible. Every couple has things, some couples are really lucky that they found someone whose attachment style exactly mirrors them, but it's not, it's never easy. So everyone has that. Right. If you're thinking that about anybody, it's cause you're, it's you're on Instagram and you're also probably lightly high because everyone is different levels of miserable just admit it.

Sorry. I was just going to say based on that. Was it a book? Probably. Um, listen, uh, let's see, library, look, listen, I'm listening to a podcast called through the cracks, which I highly recommend, which is a true crime podcast. That's a really important story through the cracks. Yeah.

Through the cracks. It's really powerful and really well done. What network is it on? It's on WAMU. Cool. What else did they do? I need a new one. Yeah.

It's important and powerful and it's great. Uh, oh, it was Nina Simone's birthday last weekend. Oh, great singer and, uh, activist and amazing, like a prodigy piano player and a bunch of people were posting different tweets about her and, um, it reminded me of the great. So Liz Garbus, who directed all be gone in the dark, she directed a documentary about Nina Simone, um, like, I think five or more years ago, and it's called what happened miss Simone. And, um, if you like Nina Simone or you're interested in both amazing, uh, music and

kind of like civil rights action, she is just this incredible badass that I feel like should, I wish she was known more. So, um, if you haven't seen that documentary by Liz Garbus, you absolutely should say the name of it again. So good. What happened? Nina Simone. Okay.

And it's about her whole life. It's just really mind-blowing. Amazing. Yeah. What do you think? Should we do exactly right news? All right. Well, lots of great stuff.

So much great stuff happening on exactly right, um, this week that we're just going to do a quick rundown of everything. So on this podcast, we'll kill you. They're talking about human papilloma viruses, HPV. Very important. Everyone needs to know about that. That's right. The first squad was included in the Newsweek top 25 true crime podcast of 2021, which is

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And then I saw what you did, Millie and Danielle discuss, I'm going to get you sucka and don't be a menace for a Wayne's family double feature. So make sure to check that out. And then also we're going to, we're having new podcasts rolling out all the time. So keep informed by, uh, by following at exactly right on Instagram, Facebook and Twitter. We love bringing you guys podcasts that's like kind of our dream come true. So it really is. And we're, we have lots of stuff, um, coming down the pike these days.

So, um, it's very exciting. Also we have new merch, uh, those flasks and koozies that people really love and need these days. Yeah. There's a fucking hooray. This is terrible, keep it going because you need a flask. I think everyone needs a flask that says that. So go to my favorite murder.com.

The shop is on there. And I mean, there's such, there's so much cool shit, shout out to the merch team. They really, they really churn out the hits and we appreciate it so much. We really do. Um, and it's getting less terrible. Let's be, let's be that way about it. Sure. And this fly is going to come again.

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self to make everyone around her happy and how the pressure to be all things to all people led her down a dark path. Follow Even the Rich wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen ad free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. All right, speaking of sanity, we're putting up a quilt episode today. I love doing this because like I look at the list of like live show episodes and stories we've done. And it's such a pity that these don't get to be told because they're in a random live

episode. So now they do. And we did. Yeah, there's no pity. We're taking back the night. And we did so much fucking work on that. Yes, the work, not only the work we did of the work and the performance, but then the working audience did of showing up and coming being so good to us the entire time.

Time after time. Time after time. Can I shout out Sloan at Petco. I want to give her a shout out for recognizing cookie. Even though I was covered up in my face mask and shabby sheet clothes that are just shabby. And I turn a corner and she goes cookie and it was the first time I had like run into a murder Reno in like over a year at that point. And so I'm so happy to see her.

She was so sweet. So thanks, Sloan. Thanks. It reminded me of live shows and I was like, I want to hug you, but I can't come near you. All right, so this is from the Vic Theater in Chicago, beautiful Chicago. So this is the Browns Chicken Massacre, which was a mass murder that occurred in January 8th, 1993 in Palantine, Illinois, and I just, it's just a horrible, one of those stories that are like, you know, who had the fucking gall to do this and the way that the killers

are caught is just a miraculous thing. So this story, I'm so glad I get to post it and tell it because I just, it's, it's an incredible, awful, heroic story. Listen. Yeah. So we're going to do the Browns Chicken Massacre. So we've gotten a lot of tweets and emails about why won't you fucking do this? Yeah.

Well, they're about to find out because it's horrifying. Okay. That's what we're here for. On January 8th, 1993, seven people were closing Browns Chicken Imposta in Palatine, a Northwest suburb of Chicago, Illinois. Palatine, everybody. Palatine. Palatine.

Did that, someone say that? It's Palatine. Sorry. Um, who, by the way, like their 1986 commercial is Steve Carell. What? Like, like, hosting it as like the owner of this Browns Chicken. Are you serious? Steve Carell.

Was he so good and funny? He was so cute. He looks exactly the same. Yeah, that guy's, that guy's kind of scary, actually. He's a vampire. He's insanely talented. He doesn't age. Yeah.

You heard it here first. Never, never not funny. Yeah. Uh. Vampire. We hate him. Spreading rumors. Uh, at this, okay, so Chicago, the story, the store owners were Richard and Lynn Ellen

Felt, who had spent their life savings to buy this franchise. The two, uh, daughter, their two daughters were scheduled to be at the restaurant that night working, but instead Guadalupe Maldonado, Michael C. Castro, and Rico L. Solis, um, the latter two are Palatine high school students who were working there, uh, part-time. One was a high school senior who just moved from the Philippines to escape the violence, and his Filipino-American friend, a high school junior who wanted to be a Marine, um, as well as Thomas Menas and Marcus Nielsen, Nelson, who were working the closing shift. So inside, the friars have been shut off, the floors are mopped, everything's being

closed down for the night, and the employees are finishing up, and, uh, as their closing, Ford Tempo pulls up carrying two men, and the Ellen Felt's had a policy that they allowed last-minute customers to order. They were nice fucking people. Yeah. That's, oh. I know. That's the nicest people when you go up and you're like, go, please, please.

I'm so hungry. Because I just, do you want me to do it? I can't open this fucking water. It's just a trick water I put out for you. Karen. I should have known. It wasn't a trick water. Karen's a...

Everyone's like, I want to get trick water. She's such a practical joker. Um, mm-mm-mm. So the, one of them orders, uh, a fucking four-piece chicken meal, and they go to sit down and eat it. What? The fucking four-piece chicken. Like, what the fuck?

Who does that? Like, first of all, it's so shitty. What's that? Too many pieces? What's the problem? It's just, they're closing the store. Oh, oh, yeah, yeah. I don't go into, like, a clothing store a half hour before they close, because, you know,

every single hanger has been, like, you know, meticulously, and then you're just like, I want to shoot for tomorrow. You're a fucking asshole. I know, but once you're in that door, and they actually let you in, then you're just like, um, okay, I'm gonna get coleslaw, uh, I, uh, two beans. No, that's such a dick move. So, okay, so they, they sit down to eat their fucking food. It's like, at least take it to go.

Yeah, that's like, that is super lame. Yeah, but they're not there for chicken. Okay. Um, it's the final day's sale. It's rung up at 9 0 8 p.m. And as eight minutes past closing, and as they eat in a booth, everyone continues their last minute closing rituals. By 11 p.m. that night, the families of the workers are starting to worry that their sons

haven't come home. And after driving by Browns, which is dark inside, um, although Castro's car is still in the parking lot, it's about 11 45, um, and police say, but they, he calls the police at 11 45, but police say the log, the log, it says it's called at 1 0 2 a.m. So there's a discrepancy there, um, after many attempts by the families of all these boys to get the police to take their worries seriously, because they're like, they went and had sandwiches and booze, and they're like, they don't drink or eat sandwiches. Um, I'm guessing, I'm guessing that part, yeah, um, including going to the police station

to file a missing persons report, Castro's father returns to Browns a third time along with Guadalupe, Maldonado's brother, who was also worried after Guadalupe hadn't come home to tuck his sons in, as was his ritual, um, and they also had a police officer with them. It's just after 3 a.m. and they finally tried the green employee entrance door, which is open unexpectedly. And inside they spot, uh, the jacket hanging just inside. And that's when Guadalupe's brother spots an arm poking out of the walk-in freezer door.

It's propped open, there's blood on the tile floor, and the officer sees it, gets the men out of there saying, this is a crime scene. Um, when all said and done, seven people were dead. The assailant stole less than $2,000 from the restaurant. The case remained unsolved for nearly, nearly nine years. Oh, let's get the photo of the, um, the restaurant, we have like two photos, so that's it. And then there's another one, uh, there we go, yeah, that's it. Okay.

Fuck, man. So, the case, oh, and then, let's, sorry, what year was it? Uh, 1993. Oh, recently. Yeah. The case remained... Recently? Is that what you're looking at?

That wasn't a slam, I, I was sorry, that was, like, what, what a shitty truck, is that what you thought I was saying? I wasn't. I think I said it was recently and because we're both like, that was 10 years ago. Oh, I got it. You know what I mean? It's not like 1986. Sorry, what year is it?

Fuck. Uh... I'm stone cold sober, I swear to God, I swear to you. I owe Val Trill, it's true, I'm the fucked up one, real fucked up, peyote. She's back on me. Do people still do peyote? I'm on peyote. That'd be amazing to do peyote before a show.

I don't know, I'm just gonna see what it opens up. Yeah. Look at peyote. I'm like, you could have just had a glass of champagne. No, I won't drink on stage. I'm gonna do a peyote. It's natural. Okay.

Everyone's like, the four boyfriends are like, they're in the middle of a really fucking depressing story. Yeah. What the fuck is wrong with them? Centipropriate is what it is. And Kevin and Kevin and Dave? We apologize to you. You're right.

You're right. You're sorry. It's inappropriate. Your feelings get so hurt all the time. What's saying? Your girlfriend is not at fault. She usually listens on her way to work. What?

What about the other night we were at a meet and greet, a girl leaned over to George and goes, I'm on a Tinder date right now. And I was like, this is the last one of... Say goodbye to him. That was cute. I like when you get excited to tell me something, you do nails. Yeah, I have to do nails. I'm sorry.

No, I like it. It's intense. I'm used to not being listened to as a younger style. So like in my family, if you were like, mom, dad or whatever, it was as if nothing was happening. You have to be like, I will drop blood from you. Another thing I wouldn't have noticed about myself until right now, what a great experience and journey that we're on together, back into the mass murder, okay.

The case remained unsolved for nearly nine years until 2002, when Anne Lockett came forward and implicated her former boyfriend, James Degorsky and his friend, Juan Luna. It's lead 4842 in the murder investigation. Is that crazy? Jesus Christ. Yeah. Yeah. And how long after?

How many years after? Nine. Fuck. Okay. That's such a long time to wait. It is. Lockett says she told, she was told about the massacre over a pot smoking session. Guys, that would freak me out so bad.

Oh my God. Can you imagine? I'm like, I'm trying to play Mario Kart. What are you doing? Yeah. What are you fucking... I mean, I think a lot of us are like, yeah, no murder shit during pot. That does...

No. Those two things don't go together. I can't even watch Planet Earth without freaking a fuck out. Right? There's a lot of true crime in Planet Earth though. I swear to God. Mm-hmm. It's a lot of those.

She said that they said that they wanted to do something big. One Luna was a former employee of the restaurant, so he would have known that they serve people. You know what I mean? And he had left on good terms for a new job a couple months earlier. So he was questioned but wasn't suspected. But according to Anne Lockett, he knew there would be money in the store. And he was 18 at the time of the murders. He was now, nine years later, married with a young son.

The details of the murder came out, and here are the details. Lynn Eldenfeld, who was 49, the owner, she was the first victim when her throat was slashed. And they're all... So two of them are in a freezer, like walk-in freezer at the time, getting everything together to close. And then the murderers put that four of them in another walk-in freezer and throw Lynn after her fucking throat was slashed into that freezer. Can you fucking imagine being like, we're getting robbed?

And then you're like, oh, no, this is bigger than that, and you have a panic attack. What the fuck? So then Marcus Castro, who's the youngest victim at 16, was shot six times. And then Guadalupe Maldonados, 46, and Rico Salas, who's 17, had bullet wounds in the back of their heads, and Thomas Menas, who's 32, was shot twice in the upper back and once in the temple. And then Richard Ellenfeld, 50, was shot five times. So in April 2002, the Palantine Police Department matched the DNA sample.

Are you ready for this? She says it's Juan Luna, the DNA sample from... Are you ready for this? What the fuck? I demanded there be a towel on the table tonight. At all times. So I can shake it at you. A punctuation towel.

This is awful. They find the DNA from the eaten chicken that was thrown in the garbage can in the night of the murder. Yes. You stupid fucks. Especially because, and I was like, did they test all the chicken bones? They had already taken the trash out because they were closing. Oh, my God.

And so they threw their chicken in there. They took the DNA. I'm sorry, but those cops were like, thank fucking God. Yeah. They're like, it's 93. I don't know what this is for. I'm going to take it anyways. Chicken bone.

Chicken bone. No, not that one. Some skin. Yeah. Oh, it's dark meat. What a monster. Then... Yeah.

Isn't that fucked up? Yes. The chicken was... Okay. And the chicken was supposedly kept in the freezer for most of the time since the crime. The Palantyne Police Department took the two suspects into custody on May 16th, 2002. And Luna confesses to the crime during an interrogation, although a lawyer would later claim that he was coerced to do so through corporal punishment and threats of deportation.

Then they both go to trial. So Luna's put on trial in 2007. He's found guilty of seven counts of murder and he sentenced to life in prison without parole on May 17th, 2007. The state had sought... No, it gets shitty. Just when you thought. Yeah.

This isn't the end. There's tumor. Okay. But a lot of that is her poetry. So... I just wanted to share. Now that she has you here. Yeah.

Oh. It's just quarrelerics. Listen to the words. Yeah. It's actually really beautiful. Okay, the state had sought the death penalty, which was available at the time, but the jury voted 11 to 1 in favor. They fell short, 11 to 1.

So one person was like, no. Can't do it. Then, so James Degorsky, the other guy, was found guilty September 2009 on all seven counts of murder, but it's largely based on the testimony of Anne Lockett, because there's no physical evidence, as well as a friend of hers. And they both said that he had confessed to them. And then October 20th, 2009, he sentenced to life in prison without parole. Again, a couple of the jurors voted and noted the death penalty.

Okay. So now it gets fucking fucked up. So it turns out that there's a petition in the circuit court that Lockett, Anne Lockett, misled jurors into believing that she had a much closer relationship with Degorsky at the time of the crime than she actually did. They say that she was... Sorry, is there a live sheep in here? Because that's not cool at all.

Now, I don't know if... Was that Oprah Goat? That was the weirdest fucking sound. Ugh, creepy. Haunted. I'm telling you this, but it's haunted. Let's not make noises like that, guys. So I don't know how much of this I believe, and it's really complicated.

But supposedly, people say she wasn't dating him at the time. People meaning they're lawyers, I'm sure. And that she was actually involved with a man she had met while both were hospitalized for psychiatric issues. So basically all the dirt's coming up on her, yeah. So then, let's see, he says that man in a foreign statement says that she had never mentioned Degorsky or his involvement in the murders, and instead he says that she had called him a few months after their own breakup asking if he knew anything about the murders.

He said she told me that whoever came forward with information would be entitled to reward money and that if I heard who might have done the murders, I should contact her. And then, yeah, and it turns out that soon after that conversation, he was inexplicably questioned three separate times about his involvement. The woman, let's see, so, the Cook County jury was also never told that Lockett would split nearly $100,000 reward money with her friend that had also- Uh-oh. Yeah.

So the- That's a lot of pot. I mean, you buy fuckin' like six bags of pot with them. Yeah. Okay, and then really quickly, I want to add this little part of a hometown murder that we got from Sam from Chicago said, oh my God, there's more than one, probably. They would not get their answer, okay. My friend's neighbor called in a tip incriminating her then-boyfriend, Juan Luna, who worked

at the church's back in high school. The police arrested him and his accomplice, but they say at the time they were at the Crosstown basketball game. So when they got questioned back in high school, they said that they were a basketball game. And then her friend, Sam's friend said that he was trying to get interviewed by the cops to let them know that he wasn't with both Luna and the other guy, he was just with Luna. So she's saying that he has an alibi. And then, okay, almost done.

March 2014, okay, here's what's up. In March 2014, a jury awarded James Degorsky $400,051 in compensation and punitive damages for having been beaten by a sheriff's department in Cook County Jail in May 2020, 2002. We can do this. It doesn't happen in the future. I am not psychic. It was a future sheriff beating, yeah, a lot of metal. So he got that much money when he was questioned by police.

He got beaten and gave his confession then. He suffered facial fractures that required surgery and the deputy was eventually dismissed. That's a little bit extreme. And I guess the Palatine Police Department had obtained confessions to the slangs from at least five others who were never charged. So it's possible they had a, like, a, you know, pattern, pattern. Anywows, the building, wow. Something's happening.

How long does it take for a peyote to kick in? I mean, girl, I think you're right on time. The building was raised, the church's chicken, church's chicken. Am I high? I swear. Did we start the gas too early? I mean, there are podcasters who tour night after night and they handle their shit just fine.

I don't even, I've never even, okay, never seen a church's chicken. I don't. It was that sheep that fucked you up. And your animal familiar coming to tell you to go to church's chicken. The building was torn down in April 2002 after having briefly been a dry cleaning establishment and then a deli and then standing vacant for many years. So another place you don't want to walk by on your way to the grocery store, like H.H. Holmes murder castle.

For real, can you imagine working at that dry cleaner or the chase branch that was, that is now there? That evil fucking place. In the location. You can't figure out why you have such bad vibes. You're like, was it the murderers or just you fucking guys? Yeah. Yeah.

Big banks or murder? I mean, we should dig up the ground in there too, just while we're at it. Yeah. Right. So that was the Brown's chicken massacre. I agree. Thank you. Yes.

Yes, I agree to do this again with you sometime. Nice. Yeah. And thank you, Chicago. We miss you. We haven't been there in so long. Our Chicago murderers have been there since early days. That's right.

Please know that, that we wish we could come back soon. We, we are hoping to come back very soon. Very soon. What do you got for us? Well, mine is from May 5th of 2019. It was this last time we were on the road. Remember the time. Remember our Dallas Irving, Texas show in that huge play, that huge theater.

We had the, we had the best series of shows. I had cowboy boots and I accidentally flashed the audience, my underpants. Yeah. I said, Georgia, are you wearing a circle? Is your dress have a circle skirt? She went, it sure does. And spun in a circle. I did the best like childhood twirl.

Yeah. But she, we were about eight feet above the front row and you just heard this. Woo. Now I go, did I just flex? Steven, do you think we can edit that in? Yeah. Let me, yeah, I can find it. Yeah.

Okay. On the top of the show. Yeah. Yeah. Please put that in. So hilarious. So that'll, you'll, you'll get that experience first. Yeah.

I guess spoiler alert. Yeah. I had to borrow tights from you then and I still have them in my drawer. Hot pink tights. Oh my God. 2016. That's right. We go back three fucking years.

Thank you. Thank you so much. We've laughed. We've grown. We love. I've taken two full pairs of Georgia's tights. And that's how you know something. So you know something.

How about your outfit? Oh, this is. Yeah. Bout of your partner. Did I just show you my underwear? Bout of your neighbor. Did you really? And it was on the big screen.

Oh no. I was wearing tights the last two nights. I did that and no one saw my ass. Can we roll that tape back on the big screen please? No, never again. So this was an exciting show for us. Not only for being there and being on the road, but also because our great hero, journalist, Skip Hollinsworth was in the audience that night.

And, or he was in the audience the night before. Right. And then I did his story or it was the night before and then he was in the next night. Yes. Whatever he was around. We got to meet him on that weekend. Yes. Yes.

Because oftentimes when we would do shows in Texas for all the years that we've done live shows in Texas, we pull stories from the amazing magazine Texas Monthly. Their journalists write these incredible, you know, like immersive deep dive stories about these different crimes that happen in Texas and they've got some amazing ones. That's right. So this one is definitely one of my favorites. It's by the legendary journalist Skip Hollinsworth. It's the story of the legendary bank robber Cowboy Bob.

So last night, if you were lucky enough to be here, we, no, I just mean it like we were so excited because the true crime or I guess just general journalist Skip Hollinsworth was a secret special guest and he came out and chatted with everybody. And my story tonight is entirely taken from an amazing article that he wrote for the legendary magazine Texas Monthly. So good. Such a good fucking magazine. Do you ever do the thing where you read one article on their website and then at the bottom

they're like you might also like this and then you're like goodbye the rest of the day. It's my favorite. I love it. It's so good. So this I got, it's a 2005 article by Skip Hollinsworth that was in the Texas Monthly about the legend of bank robber Cowboy Bob. I love this so much. I'm excited for this.

Okay. Can we also say what a lovely human being Skip was? He came backstage afterwards with his kid and like her friends and he was just so nice. He's the best. Yeah. He has a really cool family and he doesn't hate us. Okay. I'm excited.

Okay. So one morning in May of 1991, a bearded man with a cowboy hat enters the American Federal Bank just off West airport freeway in Irving, Texas. Seriously? Yeah. I had a whole other one prepared and then I started reading this article and I was like whoops, I have to switch mine now. When it's his turn in line, he approaches the counter.

He's greeted by the female teller and without saying a word, he hands her a note and that note says this is a bank robbery. Give me your money. No marked bills or die packs. So the teller hands him the cash. He calmly puts it into his bag and then without looking around or blind anything out of the ordinary is happening. He turns and very casually walks out of the bank.

No one notices. No one but the teller knows that it's happening because he has none of the normal indicators of bank robbers which is obviously you'd kind of check over your shoulder maybe or at least look out of the corner eye. Stick them up. There's none of that. Stick them up. No.

It's total silence. The entire thing happens in silence. Creepy. He goes out to the parking lot. So he leaves. The police arrive almost immediately and when they review the security camera footage, they see a thin man with a full beard, cowboy hat wearing sunglasses and gloves. And he keeps his head down, tipped down perfectly enough so the entire time so his face is obscured.

They can't get any like defining features from his face. And of course, he doesn't fidget. So they immediately are like, oh, this guy is a professional. He's done this before. There's no fidgeting. There's no nervousness at all. And when he goes out to his brown 1975 Pontiac Grand Prix in the parking lot, he drives away normally like anyone else would.

So they say that normally bank robbers will peel out or drive away fast and then drive through a red light and just try to get away as fast as they can. And that's what makes eyewitnesses notice and then write your license plate number down. So of course, none of that happened. He just drove away. So there were no eyewitnesses. So not only are the police stuck with no leads, but they realize that this is someone who knows exactly what they're doing.

And so here is a clip of that footage from that robbery. Oh, man. His gloves. And his big old hat. Okay. So seven months later in December of 1991, the same mysterious man hits another bank in Irving this time. It's Savings of America.

Love it. No, no one. No one's there. Do they have really bad rates or something? Again, the bearded, sunglassed cowboy-headed man passes a note to the teller. This time he makes off with $1,258. But a witness sees him drive out of the parking lot and does write down the license plate number.

Nosey. Right. Why? I know. But out. Why did they write it down? Like, I don't... It must have been someone from inside the bank that like ran forward is my personal theory.

That's it. But that's... We don't know. Skip and I don't know. So the police get the license, they trace it immediately to a house that's actually right close to the bank, so they speed over there. When they get there, they find an old lady sitting in her living room who says, I haven't left the house all day.

And I haven't left the house all day. Get out. It's probably more like it, right? So once they go outside, they see that the old lady's reg Chevrolet is missing its license, one license plate. I wanted the old lady to be the bank robber so bad just now, I was here for that. So a month later in January of 1992, the robber strikes again, and this time it's at the Texas Heritage Bank in Garland.

He uses the exact same MO. This time he leaves with $3,000. He strikes a fourth time in May of 1992 at the Nations Bank in Mesquite. They're all over there. This time the teller puts the cash together, but as the teller tries to put the cash together, he tries to sneak a die pack into the wad of cash. Dude, don't be a hero. The robber clocks it and takes it out and hands it back to the teller and walks away.

That's so much more creepy than if he punched him in the face or whatever. Yeah, no. Just like, you can go ahead and keep that. Yeah. Here's your chain. Ow. Sorry. So this time he makes off with $5,317.

So the FBI agent assigned to this case is a man named Steve Powell, and he's going crazy because he's like, shit, we can't get this guy. And he can't figure out who this, as I wrote, smooth ass bank robber is. So until they can identify him, he decides to give the bank robber the nickname Cowboy Bob. So four months after that last hit in September of 1992, Cowboy Bob robs the first Gibraltar bank in Mesquite, taking $1,700. And the police get the license plate number and track the car, and with FBI agents following

closely behind them, but once again, they track the plates to a nearby resident who then realizes his own plates have been stolen. So it's the exact same thing. So as they're investigating that robbery, they please get a call from Mesquite's first interstate bank a mile away saying Cowboy Bob has just come through and stolen a whopping $13,706. He's like, finally, I got to fucking pay that. For real.

He keeps on getting these tellers who had just dropped everything down the little forever tube. So he's like, oh, I got a lazy one that didn't cash out. And that was his biggest hit yet. So according to the teller, Cowboy Bob was so pleased with the amount of money that he got on this one that he tipped his hat to her as he walked away. Yeah. Because he's a classy motherfucker.

So in just a year and a half, Cowboy Bob has stolen a total of about $26,000 from six different banks around the Dallas area, the larger area. So the FBI wonder if they're dealing with a criminal mastermind and if they'll ever be able to catch him. Or if it's just someone who lays, he doesn't want to get a job because it's not that much money. It's like what you'd make in a year, dude. So witness, so on this, on that last hit, a witness has taken, again, taken down the

license plate number. So this time police trace it to a man named Pete Tallis who works at a Ford auto parts factory in Carrollton. So you said Mesquite, you already cheered for, you can't cheer for two different places. But they're both of those cities are amazing in different ways. So when they go talk to Pete, he says, yes, that is, I own a brown 1975 Pontiac Grand Prix. But I gave it to my mom and my sister because they didn't have enough money to get a car of their own.

And when they tell Pete that the Grand Prix has just been used in a bank robbery, Pete says, bullshit, that car can't go fast enough. Okay. So he's right. I mean, he's right. So the police get Pete's mom and sister's address and they head over to the apartment complex where they live. And in the parking lot, when they pull in, they spot Cowboy Bob's car, the Brown Grand

Prix. And so they huddle up and they start discussing what they should do. So they're like, this is obviously where he's holed up. And now we have to make our plan. And they're talking about, should we just bust down the door? You like storm in and catch him because we could catch him with the money. Or do we slow play it? They're trying to figure it out.

And they see a woman walk out of the apartment and up toward the car. She's wearing shorts and a t-shirt. And they're like, oh, I bet you that's Cowboy Bob's girlfriend. So they decide she gets in the car and drives away. So they let her drive off. And they decide what they're going to do is Agent Powell is going to stop her around the corner so Cowboy Bob can't see them talking from the apartment. So they wait until she's like a little farther away and they pull the car over.

And inside, that's where they meet Peggy Jotalis. So she politely introduces herself. She explains, yes, the car is hers. She got it from her brother. And they ask her, have you used it at any time today? And she goes, yeah, I went out and picked up some fertilizer earlier this morning. And so Agent Powell and his team search the trunk. They do find a bag of fertilizer in the trunk.

And then he asks if they can search her apartment. And she says, I mean, there's nothing in there but my mom who's like an old kind of sick lady, but they're like, that's fine, let's check it out. So at the apartment, the officers ring the doorbell and Peggy's Peggy Joe's mom Helen answers the door and then is shocked as a team of FBI agents and police officers storm past her with the guns drawn and go into the apartment. But once they get there, they just see that it's this really neat tidy apartment that the two ladies live in together.

And there's nothing, no cowboy bob, no piles of money, nothing. So they kind of, they're looking around, they go into Peggy Joe's bedroom. They think maybe they're hiding, like if it is her boyfriend that she's hiding him somewhere in the closet or whatever. But no, they just see that her bed is nicely made and they open the closet and all her clothes are very perfectly ironed and hung up. And it's like, oh yeah, we really got this wrong. And then an officer notices a styrofoam mannequin head up on the shelf in the closet with a

fake beard pin to it. Uh-huh. Okay. And then next to that, a cowboy hat. And then they check under Peggy Joe's bed and it's, there's a bag full of cash under there. So. It's okay that I'm mad at them for not hiding that shit better.

Yes. But like pull up some floorboards and shove your shit under there. Stealing. Come on. Stealing thing. So basically then officer Powell turns to Peggy Joe and starts asking her, sorry, what is this stuff and why do you have it in your room? And as she's, um, as he's talking to her, he noticed, he notices that she's got a little

bit of, um, fake beard glue on top of her lip. And it turns out cowboy Bob is Peggy Joe Talas. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What the fuck? Yeah. And he's like, her, she fucking, she's the one that's been beating me this whole time.

Oh wait. The lip glue part is like too good to be true. Isn't it the best where he's kind of like, so anyway, what's, why do you have the hold on us? Oh my God. I want to see it all line up for him and like a movie. So wait, let's take it, oh wait, there she is. Okay.

The little girl or the mom? Yep. That's her. She's eight years old and she loves money. Yeah. That's Peggy Joe up there. Peggy. That's her niece, I believe.

I mean, don't do crimes, but if you're going to do it, be cool. Yeah. So he, Agent Powell arrests Peggy Joe. They bring her down to the station. So they're stunned to find that this polite, very pretty, seemingly very standardly normal woman has been the man robbing banks and stymieing the cops and the FBI for a year and a half. When they ask Peggy Joe why she did it, she doesn't say anything and she also doesn't really talk to her defense attorney.

All she'll say is that she robbed the first bank to help pay for her sick mother's medication for the degenerative bone disease that she has. And that, but then when they ask her why she kept on doing it, she just stares at the wall and shrugs like she stares away. Oh honey. So in court, the judge takes into consideration that Peggy Joe was never violent in any of these crimes and she never used a weapon, she never brandished a weapon, never threatened anybody and seemed.

You can rob a bank by just being like, I want things. Yes. What? Yes. I feel like we shouldn't be telling everyone that. I mean, because if you don't know by now, come on. Yeah. And they have to give it to you.

You're going to get caught because they have everything, but you can. She never used a weapon and other than that, she seemed to be a mild mannered law abiding citizen. So she's given a 33 month sentence. Wow. And the first anyone that's never had a child, that's two and a half years in jail. Thank you. Right?

Yeah. Oh, he's, he's 54 months old, really? I don't, you do the fucking math for me. I came over here to visit you. Clearly have a very specific idea in mind. Peggy Joe serves her time without complaint. She doesn't, her, when her friends go to visit her in jail, she won't talk about having done it.

She just is like, how are you? What's going on with you? And kind of is just like not talking about it. And then when she's released, she, all she says about it is that she assures her family and friends that she won't ever do anything like that again. I pinky swear, I won't rob a fucking bank again. I promise that I won't, I won't commit a felony ever again in a wig, mask, cowboy hat and posing as a man.

When she gets out, she's approached by a true crime author about collaborating to write her story and possibly turn it into a movie and she says, no, cause she's the fucking coolest person of all time. She said she just wants to put the whole thing behind her and she doesn't, she's like thinks that's lame. So let's talk a little bit about who Peggy Joe Tallis is. She was born in 1945 and she grows up the youngest of three children in grand prairie. She's a well liked spirited, free spirited child.

But when she's four years old, her father dies from cancer. So that's when her mother gets a job as a nurse's aide to support the family. So I skipped this picture, but this is her as a kid. So after the 10th grade, now we go through that. So after the 10th grade, though, she drops out of school explaining to her mom that there's too much else to do in life than waste her days sitting in school. Yes, girl, yes, fucking, wow. When I was like, I remember in sixth grade, my desk was by the window and all I would

do is stare out the window and go, what are they all doing out there? I was obsessed with what their town did while we were in school. Like all the adults are free to do whatever the fuck they want with no kids around. Do you ever still get that feeling when you're an adult out in the world on like a Tuesday afternoon? Yeah. I can do whatever I want, no school, I don't have to go to school, yes, I'm 38. I get, I do get that every once in a while.

Pure gratitude. I'll never have to do algebra again. Okay. So, so she tells her friends and everyone knows this about her. She's clearly a free spirit and she is all about adventure. So she actually decides, because it's like the early 70s, she decides to up and drive out to San Francisco to see, quote, to see what's going on out there. Okay.

Oh, it's just a cultural revolution, Peggy Jo. No big deal. So she gets out there and when she comes back like a month or two later, I think it was, she's got books by Lawrence Furlinguetti. She's like into the beat poets and she's like, she's just all about that kind of doing whatever you want, living your life. So in her 20s, she gets her own apartment in North Dallas and she works as a receptionist and at that job, she makes friends with a girl she works with named Cherry Young.

And so the two spend evenings going out to bars and concerts and basically looking for more adventure. And Peggy Jo tells Cherry, she doesn't really have any career goals at all. She doesn't really care about having a career. She's not interested in getting married. She doesn't care about having kids. All she wants to do is have adventures. So she basically says her plan is to work just enough to pay the bills and then have

a little bit left over to go out and have fun. This is literally me until I was 29 years old. Hell yeah. And accidentally got a cool job. I know. We're kind of doing it right now. Don't tell them. Don't tell them.

We basically robbed a bank. Okay. But you gave us the money so nicely. It seemed like you were really voluntary about it. So thank you for being a part of this emotional felony. Okay. She was obsessed with the movie Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. She saw it a bunch of times.

And if you don't know, because you're a millennial, that is a beautiful and amazing Paul Newman and Chuck and Robert Redford movie about those two bandits who, at the end of the movie, they go and re-rob the same train that they've already robbed and therefore drop, basically get into this huge gunfight and at the very end, spoiler alert, they jump off a cliff. So, but definitely go see it. Wait, you're thinking of Thelma and Louise. Oh, shit. So this is a quote from Skip's article from Cherry talking about her friend Peggy Jo.

She told me she was saving a little so that she could someday go to Mexico, just live on a beach in a hacienda and wear bathing suits night and day. She was beautiful and she was rambunctious and she told me, and she always told me that deep down, she was wild at heart. And that was very true because one night Peggy Jo and Cherry got into a fight at a restaurant. They were like out for the night in Fort Worth and, right, you guys know what it's like to party in Fort Worth so much that you fight with your friend and walk away. I have to say, sorry, but I ate, like, I ate an apple before we came out and I can't stop

spitting. I'm spitting so much. Guys in the back, trust me on this, I'm spitting. Okay. Okay. So they get into a fight at this restaurant in Fort Worth and they both walk away from each other really fast and Cherry just kind of walks in one direction and Peggy Jo walks out into the parking lot and there's a truck sitting there with the keys and ignitions.

She just gets into it and drives away. No. Yes. Yes. That's what she's like. Wow. She's my fucking hero. So when she gets arrested for that, she actually gets the police case, sir.

You can't do that. You can't take that guy's truck. He won't have it. Not in Fort Worth. She gets arrested. She's given a five months probation for that. So sometime in the mid-70s, she meets a man and he lives in a different town and she falls in love with him and it's like he's the one.

So one day she goes to meet him and she goes to see him in that town and when she gets there, she sees his car on the street and so she thinks, oh yeah, here he is. I'm going to go see and gets out of her car and walks over and as she's walking toward the car, she sees a woman go get into the car herself and she walks up and goes, what are you doing? And she goes, well, I'm getting into my husband's car. And that's how she finds out this motherfucker was married the whole time. Fucking married Ben.

What a crock of shit. Okay. Just keep that in mind, youngsters, please. Please. I'm begging you. After that, she decides, she tells Cherry, I'm fucking never doing that again. Like I'm never going to be hurt again. And she decides she's just going to spend time with her family and take care of her

mother who had just been diagnosed with that bone disease. So that's this, that's this, oh, that's her later, shit, sorry. Got it. So, okay. So when Peggy Joe is in her forties, she gets a really bad back injury and then a little bit after that, she's forced to have an emergency mastectomy. So that's when she realized, like after that, those kind of really scary life-threatening situations, she realizes that she hasn't really done as much as she's wanted to do with her

life. And she always thought, I'll do it, I'll do it later. I want to have an invention. I want to be that kind of person, but I have to do it later. And now she's in her forties realizing that she doesn't make enough money. Her mom doesn't make enough with social security for them to cover these medical bills and the cost of living. And that's when the string of bank robberies begins.

It all comes together in the perfect storm and a fake beard. So now we'll go back to the present after she's been arrested. So they release her from jail. And she moves, so basically she just has to get out of town because the neighbors are talking about her and it's like, how did you hear Peggy Jo? So Peggy Jo's Catboy Bob. She moves her mom into a small two-bedroom house in Garland to get away. And she becomes a cashier at the Harbor Bay Marina at Lake Ray Hubbard.

So apparently everyone there loves her. She's the coolest person ever. Everybody that they interview for this article, they just have nothing but nice things to say about her. She's kind. She's a model employee. She even uses her own money to help poorer customers pay for whatever they're trying to buy, bait and whatnot.

You know, stuff you buy at the lake. The necessities. She works all day and then she goes home and tends to her mother at night. And in 2002, her mother Helen passes away at the age of 83. So in spring of 2004, Peggy decides she's going to get that adventure that she had been looking for. And she buys herself an RV because a guy at the marina is selling his RV for $5,900. So she's like, I got some cash hidden away under my beard.

Oh, shit. Did she? Okay. So I don't know if that's, I'm sure they seized all the money they could, but I would hope that she would stick some like in the bathroom back under a tampon box or somewhere. They wouldn't look. Now everyone knows where to look in your house with the break in. Just all sorts of, there's no tampons, but there's tons of cash.

It's all fives. So her plan is she's going to save up a little bit more money in a little time. And then she's finally going to go and move down to Mexico and live on the beach like she's always wanted to do all her life. And she tells a friend she wants to do it now, quote, before life runs out on her. So she sells off her furniture, she moves out of the house in Garland and starts living in that RV. So she's basically like, I'm going to get a little more money before I go.

And in late summer of 2004, she hits the road. She doesn't tell anyone where she's going or if she plans on coming back. She doesn't, you know, the family, her older sister died of cancer also. So she really doesn't have much family left except for her brother, Pete. And she just kind of is like, peace. I'm doing this thing. Do you think she was mad at him for accidentally turning her in first place with a car thing? Remember?

That doesn't seem to be what Peggy Jo's like. No. So no one really knows where she is for the next couple of months, but they say they spot her. They spot the RV in different places around town. And she's oftentimes camping out like at lakes and in camping areas, just chilling out in the RV. She likes to have a smoke every once in a while.

So in October, 2004, an older man in a dark floppy hat, baggy clothes and gloves, robbs the guarantee bank on the south side of the city, but gets away without a trace. And one teller tells the FBI agent that's investigating that she was surprised that when the man spoke, he had such a high pitched voice. Shut your face. She promised everyone she wouldn't do it again when she got out. Sorry. She's a free spirit.

But at this point, agent Steve Powell is retired. He lives on his ranch and he's the only one that would know what that meant. And all the new younger, the young guns are like, all right, cool. We're looking for a guy with a high voice. Let's do this. So through late 2004 and early 2005, Peggy Jo's family only hears from her from time to time from pay phones around the city. And then on Thursday, May 5th, 2005, Peggy Jo Tallis puts on a black, a big black.

That's today. Whoa. Oh my God. Oh, happy Cinco de Mayo, everybody. Shit. We dropped that ball. We really did. See, that's, do you see the noise you were making and how weird that is out of the blue

to us? That's why I was like, they're oohing something. That's it. So it's kind of a good thing. I was like, someone puked again. Well, we're just going to have to get through it, snap, snap, snap, snap, snap. No, someone puked a date out of their mouth. It was amazing.

Here, I'll say that again the way I should have. And then on Thursday, May 5th, 2005, Peggy Jo Tallis puts on a big black straw hat and a large pair of sunglasses. She parks her RV in a jack-in-the-box parking lot across from that same guarantee bank that had just been robbed the previous October and she walks inside. She asks the teller to hand over the cash and she walks out like she's done so many times before. But this time, she does not notice the die pack that the teller puts into the cash.

And as she gets outside, that die pack explodes red ink all over her and the puff of red smoke goes up into the air. It's like an arrow pointing at her. For real, too. It's a cursor. So she basically tries to, like, speed walk with red smoke coming out from behind her. Dollar bills. Dollar bills.

Trailing after. My money. Oh my God. What a plumber. That's trailing behind her. And now witnesses see a person walking out of a bank with red dye all over the place and they're like, doot, doot, doot, doot, doot. Everybody calls the cops.

The cops are already in the neighborhood because they have been investigating the bank robberies that have been happening in that area. And so they immediately are there and they basically get to that jack-in-the-box parking lot as Peggy Joe is pulling out in the RV. So now we are in a low-speed police pursuit. Holy shit. Because it's a fucking RV. Okay.

So this RV cannot even reach the speed limit when she gets onto the highway. Oh no. Like the minimum limit. So she starts, she tries to get on the highway to get away. It's not happening. So she pulls off and goes into a residential area. Like side streets. Yes.

Ways. This humongous giant two-story car. So pretty soon, the police are able to box her in and surround the vehicle. And of course, they're like, you're surrounded, come out with your hands up. They don't know who's in this RV. Oh, they don't know it's her. They have no idea. And there were theories that there were gangs going around and robbing these banks and there

were people working in teams. So they're like, well, if it's an RV, a bunch of people are in there, probably. So Peggy Joe stands up, she pulls the curtains and she goes and sits back at the table and she fucking smokes a cig and tries to make a decision about what she's going to do. It's important to have a curtains and a table in your car. That's right. So you can think. And convenient.

Yeah, it's so good for thinking. Then she played, she played Solitaire. All the stuff people do in RVs, thought. So nothing happens for like 10 minutes. And of course the cops are like, come out with your hands. It's getting like more and more tense. So what she finally makes, she puts out her cigarette and she makes her decision. She goes into her bedroom and she picks up a toy gun.

What? And she walks out to the front of the RV and opens the door. One more cigarette and think about that for a little longer. Oh, which one are you going to? That's video of it happening. Holy shit. That was on the news. That was her leaning out of the RV door talking to the cops.

As a woman? Or did she take off her? Yeah, as herself. Okay. She took off. I think the hat is on. That's the floppy hat and the sunglasses. But she wasn't passing them notes or anything.

She was just like, it's me. So the police are shocked to see a 60-year-old woman standing in the doorway of the bank Robert gang RV. And she says to them, you're going to have to kill me. And they say, we're not going to do that. Just put the gun down and come out that doesn't have to be that way. And she says to them, quote, you mean to tell me if I come out of here with a gun and pointed it, y'all, you're not going to shoot me?

And the cop that's closest to her says, do not raise that gun. Please just put it down and come out. She doesn't, she steps out and raises the gun and Peggy Jo Tallis has shot four times and killed on site. Oh my God. Then the police throw a can of tear gas into the RV getting ready for the fucking bank robbery gang that they think is having their grandma drive them around in an RV. Holy shit.

They're prepped for accomplices as well they should be. But instead they find the empty RV, the snubbed out cigarette. And when they go into her bedroom, they find her 357 Magnum that she actually owned that she left inside. So the FBI, they, all those agents that were there do the record check. They realize that the dead woman is no, is none other than Peggy Jo Tallis Cowboy Bob. So they call agent Steve Powell retired agent Steve Powell and leave him a message saying we have some bad news for you.

And when saying they have some bad news about his old nemesis and when he calls back, he just says say it isn't so. Do you think they had a phone and way back? Yes. Right? Right? Would that be me? I mean.

Because that's why would you be so passionate to catch somebody. Yeah. And it was like, oh my God. And then he's also questioning his sexuality, which is hot. Yeah. Maybe I like beards he thinks to himself secretly. Yeah. What?

I never knew that about myself. No. Then he sees the glue on her upper lip and then he's like, I'm into glue. That's what I like. I love sniffing glue. I've never been able to really, oh my God. So this is a, this is a quote from a skips article from her friend, Cherry again quote. I might cry during this.

Sometimes I can't get over the sadness that she's gone, but then I think about her walking out of that bank, 60 years old, that bag full of money. And I have to say that she went out doing what she loved, robbing fucking banks, robbing fucking banks. What the fuck? We'll never understand it, but she was doing what she loved. I wish I could write her a note and say, good for you, my sweet peg, good for you. I tell you, this is my favorite person of all fucking time.

When I tell you, because listen, and I think we all know this, it's kind of, the way this society is set up is kind of a scam in lots of different ways, especially the banking system. And the medical fucking system. The medical system, the banking system, the invisibility of women over the age of 20 fucking seven. That's right. The whole fucking thing.

All the way to the top. If you can fucking listen, if you can take advantage of the things that normally oppress you and turn them around and get $3,473 every once in a while, without hurting anyone, without hurting anyone, without threatening anyone, without making it traumatic in any way. You fucking get that paper girl. All right. Just saying. I'm very inspired.

Just saying. Are we bank robbers now? I mean, we'd have to think of something different because Peggy already did it, but we just told everyone. They wouldn't tell, Lana. They won't tell. Okay. So then I searched our email and found an email that someone wrote into us.

And it starts like this, dear all, or should I say, y'all, long time listener, first time to get my lazy ass to finally write this email. And honestly, I can't believe I did it on a Monday, but here we are. Is this from her? From Peggy Joe? Oh. It sounds like her already. I grew up in a small town in North Texas called Rockwall.

It sits on the outskirts of Dallas and is surrounded by a very large manmade lake that is used on the reg for speed boats, fishing, jet skiing, et cetera. There are a few marinas along the water's bank, but one was the most popular. Only because the woman Peggy, who ran the bait and convenience shop, located on site was pretty legit. She was pleasant, friendly, and would even spot you if you were a little short on docking fees. Oh my God.

Mostly the younger crowd populated this location as it was also easy at the time to score some cheap beers, although we were underage, so fucking Peggy Joe's like, you can have it. Go ahead. Smoke. Smoke. Don't tell your mother from me. Flash forward a number of years and my boyfriend, who was a habitual wake border and was on the lake daily, received a text from an old friend mentioning that old Peggy Joe from the marina

had died. Well, she didn't just die. She was shot and killed by the FBI. Little did anyone know Peggy Joe Tallis was another character that was well known in the eyes of the law. And she basically goes on and explains word for word exactly what I've just said. And basically it ends with, it's inevitably she died at the scene, which was discovered after the handgun was a child's toy.

And it's very sad because also all the cops and agents that were there, they were like, there was nothing that indicated that that gun was a toy at all. Sometimes they have like the orange safety caps and shit like that. I mean, it was, a lot of them were super fucked up about that whole thing. She did, it was suicide by cop. I mean, that's clearly not fucking cool. She was like, I'm fucking butch-casseting this thing. And it was her choice to do so.

And then the last line is pretty crazy shit for a small Texas town. But then again, I guess sometimes that's the best place to hide. I hope to make it to the Austin show in November. JK. Just saw it's already sold out. Oh, I wish we could go back in time and like give her a ticket. SSDGM page. And that is the insane story of the bank robber, Peggy Jo Tallis.

Wow. Fucking lover. Epic. So good. Epic. Amazing. Great job. Thank you.

I know that one wasn't like, I usually like to do a lot more jokes, but fucking, I don't know. I just think that's so, there's something about that story that's so awesome. It's like a person, like it's never, it's not over. You can, you know, try to do felonies and stuff, but you can, you can do whatever you want at any stage of life you want, you fucking do it. You can reinvent yourself. You can reinvent yourself.

Or you can not reinvent yourself and do what you love to do in your 20s. Yes. Even in your 60s. Thank you. Why fucking not? Boom. Karen. Boom.

That's that. You delivered. I feel like everyone was on the edge of their seat. I had never heard that story before. So it was still one of my favorites. I'm so, I can't believe we never posted that whole episode. I'm so glad we get to bring, breathe life back into that. We can't.

Look, these, these quilts are more than just, that's right. Me needing to have a vacation in Ventura and not there. It's not just vacation. It's actually, all right. And then for the hometown, what should we do? Now the hometown is going to be from a show that we did in December 8th of 2017. So if you were at the St. Louis, Missouri show that we did at the Powell Symphony Hall, you will remember this story that Mindy told us.

How funny is it that she was pregnant and now her kid is three or four? I don't know, math is a toddler. Four years old. Thank you. That's crazy. All right. Going to be for this year. Oh my God.

And in the 90th percentile. We, we are guessing. So enjoy this story from Mindy. Oh, let's tell them about this. Oh yes. Okay. So we, I was going to, for a little while, gonna, I, I wanted my big thing to be that I was going to buy a blouse in the casino clothing store.

You know, they always have those or like, they're just like three things of each color. They're like, come on, if you spilled something on your top, come in here and get some. So I went in there as positive. I was going to do it. And the only black shirt they had had these big white rings that were cut through so that your skin would show. I was like, I simply can't do that. But then we just started actually shopping around the store and they had some, they had

some pretty good stuff. So we were like, okay, we're going to do, we're going to do a hometown. Let's get this insane gift for the hometown person. Yeah, we got a little hometown murder prize. Here, I'll model it for the front while you tell them what it is. This is a gorgeous piece. This is probably from the 1600s, I would think. Real diamonds, real diamonds and probably jade.

Also, what's nice is that the actual ring finger part is, it's stretchy like a watch. So it's going to fit anybody. And essentially, it's an octopus with diamond encrusted arms holding a fish with a diamond eye. Oh. It's classic. It's beautiful. We're going to start the bidding at $2.

The best thing about it is the fish is screaming in terror. His mouth is open and his eye is this big. Poor guy. This is a violent moment captured in jade and we can't wait to give it to whoever has it. And really quickly, the rules of hometown, we've developed over the live shows. You've heard me say this if you've ever listened to a live show. You can't be so drunk that you lose your place in your own story.

We love if you're drunk and God bless, but this is, you've got to deliver the narrative. It's important beginning and middle end. It's good that it's from St. Louis so everybody can know it and have fun with it. I think Missouri and Gent, close by. Close by. Certainly don't go out of state. What was the third one? You know, just give it your all.

Give it a go. Just kidding. This guy was it. Just kidding. And if you're on the, you're on the, it's your thing. Georgia's been picking some great ones lately, so don't let her down. Okay. Who has a hometown?

I'm going to just, yeah, you, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, go over to Vince right there. What's exciting about this is that she's already won that ring. Yeah. That ring is yours. You can start planning outfits around it now. Just as you walk, think about what you're going to wear. I absolutely should have chosen someone. Go there.

Wait. Go over there. Oh, are there steps? Oh, they're taking photos with Vince. There's fucking mayhem in here. Yeah. Um, I should have been invited someone closer to the, oh, there's a lit sign up there. Oh, whoa.

I don't know. My glasses. What does that say? I almost got murdered. Oh shit. There's a light up sign in the very back that says I almost got murdered. Oh no. Yeah.

Let's send this girl. Okay. Here she comes. You can bring that everywhere you go. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi.

Hi. What's your name? Mindy. Mindy, everybody. How's it going? It's great. How are you? Are you mad at me?

No. Okay. I'm really happy. Okay. Also, I'm pregnant. You guys always talk about pregnant people. Yay. I thought I didn't want to say anything, but when you were walking up the aisle and you

were like, hurry up. But I want to be like. No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not.

I'm not. I'm not pregnant yet. No, I'm not pregnant yet. No, I wear this really awesome shirt that my husband bought me for our two year anniversary because we really like Star Wars. It's kids that go to the snow moon. Okay. I'm glad Your're actually pregnant.

That's no. I'm actually from Kreef compliance now Basically. So what's that local? It's about 15 minutes down 40 from here. It's Kreegen High Court. Cold Court. Kreef Court. It's West County.

Will you spell it? C-R-E-V-E-C-O-E-U-R, I have to picture it. Wow. Something hurt? So it's, in St. Louis we have this thing where there's all kinds of French words that we say wrong. Oh, nice. We love that.

So it should be crev-core, meaning broken heart, but we say crev-core because that's how we do. Well, good. We support that 100%. So I'm here with my sister-in-law who came all the way from Vegas, and her friend who's my friend now, Kat, they're sitting right behind your uncle, we're sitting right behind your uncle. Thanks for the care of him.

What's your murder? Okay. Or do you want to talk about your family more? I mean, no. It also happened in crev-core. And so when I was in second grade, I was friends with this girl, and I'm going to not say her real name because she's a real person. So I'll just call her Julie.

And so Julie and I were real tight, were hanging out all the time, she was a real quirky girl. She liked NASA. I thought she was going to be an astronaut. She's not. But anyway. So I was always going to her house. And she had this house that my parents called it, the compound, because her mom lived there and both of her grandparents, and then her mom's friend.

And okay, so it's 1987, so 80s. And not a lot of people were divorced then, so I'm like, mom, what's up with, you know, who's the friend? And my mom's like, oh, don't worry about it, but I kept asking about it, I'm like seven years old. And finally she's like, okay, Mindy, she doesn't have a dad, so that's her mom's boyfriend. And I was like, okay, well, where's her dad? And my mom's like, okay, Mindy, you're seven, you're old enough to know.

Yeah. She was like, her grandpa killed her dad, and I was like, with the grandpa, he's at the house, and I'm always there, and we're hanging out. And she had these, it was one of these amazing families where you'd go there and there was always a project, like we would, for her birthday, I would like sit on her grandpa's lap and he would help me iron these bows that we were making, and you know, those big 80s bows, you weren't in here with the headbands, and so we would be doing this, and I'm hanging out with her grandpa, and I'm like, oh, okay, this, like, murdering isn't that big a deal,

because I'm hanging out with him, and so anyhow, and like, her mom would sit at the piano, and they would all sing together, and it was like, so I'm creating this, like, this very happy family picture, right, and I'm like, it's only the grandpa, like, fine, whatever. And so, seven-year-old, yeah, so anyway, a couple nights ago, I knew I was coming here, so I was like, parents, I'm like, you need to get this story straight, and my dad's a lawyer, and he's like, okay, so here's the real deal, what happened was, when Julie was five, she started reporting to her mom and grandparents that she was being sexually abused by what was her divorced dad, and the mom and the grandparents were like, well,

we can't have this, but they, 80s, couldn't do anything about it, so he still had this visitation rights, whatever, so they planned this thing where when he came back, they were in the kitchen, and the grandpa stabbed him, in my dad's words, probably a bunch of times with a kitchen knife, or not done yet, because then the whole family, probably not including Julie, comes together, and they chop him up into little pieces, I told you, the piano thing, red flag, I told you, you're pushing it, you're pushing it, you're trying to put this show on, so they chop him up into little pieces, they put him in a bag, and we were talking about this in the car, we decided he had to be chopped into little pieces, because

he might not have fit in the bag they had specifically picked, so then they drive out on family road trip to St. Charles, you guys know, which by the way is where I work, and they drive out to St. Charles, they find a back road, and they just bury him there, and then they go about living their lives, and one day some guy, and I guess he was like a hunter with a dog or something, and he found the body and calls the police, and they put this all together, and they figure out this is Julie's dad, and so they show up at the compound, which is just starting for it, but they show up there, and they are like, what has happened here?

And the whole family is like, we have no idea what you're talking about. So according to my dad, who knows this from lawyers and other lawyers, apparently they systematically would pull each member of the family and jail them for 48 hours, and like grill them, nobody would break, everybody had no idea what happened, so they would do this for months and months, like they would hide this from Julie somehow, and so this happened started when she was five, we're the same age, so seven, second grade, it's still happening, like the whole family is still living in the house, the police are stalking and bothering them all the time, they can't get anything out of them, and like

my dad meanwhile is going to these lawyer like corporate parties, he sees her grandparents and her parent there, they're all hanging out, I'm going there all the time, it turns out my parents know that this family like chopped this guy and buried him somewhere, and they're like sending me over there all the time. It sounds like a really safe place, honestly, like no one's going to fuck with you. It actually sounds like the safest place a little girl could be, so I guess at some point her grandpa decided that he would agree to, he's like I didn't do it, but I'm going to plead to second degree murder so that you'll leave my family alone, so they came to some

agreement that if he was there in jail for seven years, then when it was all over they would leave the whole family alone, and at that point Julie switched schools and just we didn't see them anymore, and I'm like I go to college, I come back and wait for a thing at Cecil Whitaker's Pizza, and I wait on their family, and it's the mom and the grandparents, and obviously meanwhile I don't know all that happened, whatever, and they're all happy and the mom's like trying to get me to take a class that she teaches, and the grandparents are like updating me on Julie, telling me how everything's going, and everything is all good, and so anyway, so when I'm asking my parents about this, I'm like wait, you

knew the whole thing when I was seven, and you sent me over there repeatedly, and they were like, well we need to be safe, oh 80s parents, they were right, they say I'm no shame, they don't even regret it, oh shit Mindy, that was amazing, I don't mind, I don't mind a child molester getting chopped up, we've heard much worse than that, oh my god, look what you just get, can you just describe what you're seeing to the people right now, I don't know if I could do a better job than you guys did, okay then see you later, okay it's like a lime green, and it's almost as if this thing is wearing, oh he has the fish but it looks like he's wearing the fish, it does look like a little fish ring, maybe

the fish is also a ring, yeah like the activist is wearing a ring and so am I, that's better than the fish being killed, I like that, thank you so much, that was amazing, Mindy everybody, that's how you do it, thank you, bye, alright thanks Mindy, way to go, and for our fucking hooray we wanted to recognize and shout out and give some support to our Texas Murderinos and everyone in Texas, yeah we know you guys down there are really going through some really heavy shit, it's really heavy to see the news coming out of Texas, it's really horrible to see so many people stranded, abandoned, not have food, not have water, it's just kind of insane and we're really feeling for you and especially because, and we used to talk

about this early days, the Texas Murderinos showed up early and strong and they, our network, when they first started giving us the numbers and telling us like where the big populations of murderinos were, they were just like, Texas all over Texas and we were like, what, what, us? Really? They don't hate our guts, okay, and in fact you love us and we love you so we're gonna donate $10,000 to the Texas Relief Fundraiser so that you guys get taken care of because you deserve it and in the name of, we're gonna donate that money in the name of the Murderinos

of Texas. Yep, so thanks you guys and we're thinking of you and fuck, hold on tight and take care of each other. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, so thanks for listening, thanks for being here, take care of yourself, it's bumpy out there, it's been a bumpy year but look at you, you got through it, you are still here a year later and, and can we're continuing on? Yeah, we're just gonna keep plowing through because that's what we do, you know, and that's,

you'll find some light, take that out, you'll find some light at the end of your disgusting, dark, ugly tunnel. Yeah, so take care of yourselves guys. Yep, and stay sexy and don't get murdered. Goodbye. Elvis, do you want a cookie?