My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 272 - BYOF

Episode Date: April 29, 2021

In this week’s quilt episode, Karen and Georgia cover The Beast of Birkenshaw and the mysterious legend of D.B. Cooper.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

We at Wondery live, breathe and downright obsess over true crime and now we're launching the ultimate true crime fan experience, Exhibit C. Join now by following Wondery, Exhibit C on Facebook and listen to true crime on Wondery and Amazon Music, Exhibit C. It's truly criminal. That's Georgia Heartstar. Thank you. That's Karen Kilgera. You're welcome. Well, Frank. That's a dog snuffling excitedly. Frank. Frank's doing a thing on the bed where he's just running his nose. He's driving his nose back and forth along the bed. Oh, it feels good. Did you get some inches? It feels good. How's it going? It's going, man. It's good. We're recording Mondays now. It is a change though. Mondays are a different vibe. They are. Tuesdays, sometimes

Wednesdays if we were really going to push it. Mondays is like we're getting it together. Yeah, so if we're missing, like if Bitcoin explodes on Wednesday and we don't somehow, you're like, how are they not talking about Bitcoin and Dogecoin? It's because Dogecoin is the new American currency. Why aren't they even addressing? In the fan cult, we only accept Dogecoin now because it's cute. So get used to it. There's a lot of that kind of stuff that I'm like, I'm pretending that I can ignore it where it's like, well, that I'm old, it doesn't apply to me where it's like, yeah, that's exactly how you basically get sucked under by culture. Yeah, does money apply to you? Because. Oh, please. Yes. I hope. You know, I stay young by reading Reddit

and reading up on what happens in Reddit. They keep me young, man. Those commenters. I stay young with emollients and moisturizers. Slathering them all over. I stay young by eating the blood of, no, no. Oops. Careful. Oh, shit. I almost gave away my secret. My secret. You'll give away. You'll be attacked by QAnon if you start making dust like that. I will say, so I had lunch with my mom today. Speaking of which. I was just going to say, she looks incredible. She's like seven is five hot is a hot piece. She's a gorgeous woman. She is. She has no had no work done. I'm 40 and have had more work done than she has. And she's just and she used to bathe in the sun with Crisco on as a child. And she looks incredible. Is she

does she eat a certain type of diet? Is she some kind of she doesn't adhere to a certain this or that? No, we're big. We're big red wines, red wine. You know, she's healthy. She eats well. I'm like, can I get a piece of that? Those jeans? Hopefully you're my real mother because yeah. This is where it all comes out. I know. I start to age terribly. And she's like, well, got something to got to tell you. She also has amazing hair. Oh, a main. It's a main. Truly the first time I've saw her, she walked in when we were decorating for your wedding. And she came in with sunglasses on her head. And this head of hair, I was like, is Gloria Steinem here? Who is that? It was crazy. She looks she looks like she hasn't actually

worked hard her whole entire life, which she absolutely has and had three children who were very rambunctious. Yes. At once, basically. Yeah. Both my parents. Yeah, back to back. You know, just thinking how much older is your sister than you? 18 months, baby. Same as yours. Oh, shit. Oh, you're Irish twins too. We're Irish twins. I was a gift, not an accident. She always tells me that. Then don't bring it up. I don't need to know anything. I don't need to know that. You don't have to blame yourself for all the troubles of their marriage, Georgia, if you just didn't know that. No, it has nothing to do with you. It has nothing. You know what? Maybe that's what keeps Janet's skin so tight is she just keeps telling the truth.

Like, dude, it's very dude. What am I doing? Was there? Did you have a little story about a you told me some people got shots out? Oh, yeah, I wanted to give a shout out to the shout out that the weed arenas got. What? Yeah. And an article in Vulture by Kevin Cortez wrote an article called The Wide and Wonderful World of Weed Podcasts, which amen. I thought it was just Doug Benson. I didn't know there was a wide world. Doug Benson and our friend Henry Zabrowski of Last Podcast on the left. Did you know that Last Podcast on the left had herb grinders in their merch store that sold out immediately? That's awesome. And then they're also going to launch official podcast weed vapes in the future. So God's work, gentlemen. The ultimate crossover.

Well done, boys. But so then it says, and beyond the category of podcast creators, there are the weed arenas, the weeded, my favorite murder murder arenas fans who congregate and bond over pot on Facebook. Just like they're making the stigma of smoking weed, less so. And so I want to give them a shout out for their shout out and we support you. And here's how you do that. You go. Hey, man. Hey, man. Hey, man. Beer funds. Beer funds. Weed arenas represent. That's right. Thank you for listening. Thank you for 420 every day. We accept all types in this community. We appreciate you and we think we can learn from you. You too. I'm not hired. Believe it or not. God, I wish I had a piece of news for you. But I truly, I mean, I've done a lot.

I've done a lot of patting myself on the back because I do the dishes every morning. Karen, can I just tell you how much more that is than I do every, any day, every day, quarantine or not. I mean, but I'm almost doing it just so I'm like, don't, you know, well, here's a better way to say it. I had a couple people over. It started as I was going to have one person over to eat dinner who had also had their second shot a while ago. And then people started hearing about it. So we ended had it like basically it was a four person dinner party, which is how I discovered I only had two forks total. Can you fucking believe that shit? I was like, I don't notice, right? I just used the one and then the other ones in the sink and it doesn't really, it didn't come up for me.

And then when I went to grab forks, there was two. It was just like, well, this is very embarrassing. Bring your own fork. B-O-I-O-F. Thank God, though, we ordered so much Chinese food that Chin Chin just gave us so many. Love it. Not just chopsticks, but forks that it was covered easily and everyone didn't care. But I was, the point of the story was that at the end of the night, everyone went home and it was of course very short because we all got exhausted immediately. Point being, when everyone went home and I laid down to watch my British procedurals and go to sleep on the couch, I was filled with what can only be described as like an effervescent feeling that I haven't had in a year and a half or since

I've been around more than two dogs or like one other person before. It was the weirdest thing where I finally got the sense of how empty my tank is in terms of just like actually being a human being because I laid down, I was like, I felt like it had been my birthday party and it literally was like four of us eating Chinese food and that's it. It was not that big of a deal at all. And I was like kind of giggly and then I just went, holy f**k. This is what it, it's a whole set button on everyone's social life, I feel like. Can reassess what we want it to look like, how we want to like arrive and present ourselves. Yeah, but I, but it's the, I didn't understand. I think we've all been coping and I think the coping meeting the second vaccination, we're now transitioning

out of coping and into trying to start over and that in between phase is very odd and painful and problematic probably. It's going to create issues and it's also, it's like you can't cope and acknowledge how like not great it is. You know what I mean? You just have to get through it and like not think about it. Yeah. So the fact, the first, you know, the first one was just like, oh my god, it was like, it was so exciting for something very standard of just like eating, eating some food and chit chatting. The fork revelation is a big one though. I feel like that's how do you remedy before the quarantine's over. Where did they go? I haven't left this house. I, it's not like, you know, when you used to, I would, I definitely did this all the time where

I'd be running late and throw something together to bring in the car. I've seen you in the offices with silverware. I thought you were just posh, showing off. Yeah, I like to show off spoons. Look, this is mine, I say to people right now. I would refuse to eat yogurt off of plastic. It's bad for the environment. First of all, these are forks. So that, like, I don't take dinner anywhere. Like the whole idea of it is so odd. And I just can't imagine where they are or where they went. It's vulnerable for you to admit it. I just keep buying more forks and soups. I hate little spoons and little forks. So I just keep, you can't buy lard, whatever. Let's talk about, this is called cutlery corner. Cutlery corner. Oh, remember, remember we used to watch? Oh,

remember the night show? This is early days. This is another Vince. Vince is great at like stoner TV. He's really good at it. And so the knife show, which was just a QVC, like off brand QVC knives, all kinds of knives, knives, not like dinner knives, but like knives sets, but Bowie, Bowie knives. David Bowie knives. Yeah. Swords. Swords and just anything you, your little heart desires. And then the hosts were just like precious. They were amazing. And it was always when we were back in the hotel room after live shows. Hey, Karen, if you've seen this episode of forensic files, turn on channel, whatever the text in between rooms. Then there was one where we like turned on the TV. Paul Holes is on an old episode of like Dateline, remember? Yep. Yeah,

where he was repping 1993 forensics. That's when he was just like, guys, I'm telling you, the new thing is going to be. Yeah. Please don't spit at the crime scene anymore. When you're cleaning up the scene, it really fucks things up. Okay. Yeah. Please. It's really important. Yeah. Yeah, that's just my, that's my, the end of quarantine adjustment period, I think is people need to really give themselves some room. No big moves. There's going to be big feelings. Try to surf right through those. You know, take a walk, go outside. That's helpful. Beautiful out there, man. Pretty nice. It's springtime. Can I tell you? So he ain't going for walks. We've been like trying to find outdoor things to do with my nephews, you know, because

they don't like to eat masks or I say that because my sister had a kept yelling at five-year-old Joe, stop eating your mask. He likes to suck it into his mouth and chew on it. Joe. Joe, baby, stop eating your mouth. Then it'll lose to a young to wear one, you know. So we went to Train Town in Griffith Park, which is just this lovely little, they have old trains that you can walk in and see what they're like and stuff. And kids love trains. So my nephew's 10 there was there and he's kind of, Micah is kind of, you know, over it. He's a big kid now. He likes anime. He's a big kid. Yeah. So he kept saying, Georgia, are you going to get recognized? Auntie Georgia, are you going to get recognized? And I was like, if someone doesn't fucking walk up to me with my

favorite murder shirt on right now and hug me, he's going to be so disappointed in me. I almost wanted to pay someone. But then when we left, we were in the parking lot and someone, this lovely lady did. And I was like, well, you go find my nephew and tell him that, you know who I am. That's it. And then I text him because now he's a texter. That's Nora's a texter too now. I get to text her anytime. Who gave you a phone, kid? She got a, for Christmas, she got to get a phone because everybody else was a teenager though. So I feel like that's okay. Yeah. Micah's not.

But does he not have a phone? He gets to text on his parents' phone? No, he has his own phone now. And I offered him my like old laptop to play games and stuff on. And they were like, no, he's fine. He has a gaming laptop. Like he's a gamer now. And they were like, we're good. Thanks. See, that's the thing. LA, like LA 10 is NorCal 14. Oh, LA. I always said that's growing up. There were kids whose parents would get divorced. The dad would move to LA. And then the summer that kid would go down to LA. And when they came back, they were literally like two years ahead of everybody else in our town.

So I'm going to donate it. There's like a really good program where you can donate old electronics, not old, you know, electronics to, to schools that are in need of those things. So. Oh, good. Yeah. I'm going to do that. But Micah don't fucking need my shit. Yeah. Yeah. Should we do exactly right corner? Yeah, we get, let's make some announcements. Yeah, we got some good ones guys. This is a huge one that's been in the works for a long time. We are so honored and excited to bring these two brilliant young women to your life because

everyone needs to know them and love them the way we do. And full credit Georgia. Georgia is the one who discovered these guys. Their podcast existed beforehand. She was a fan and, and then she said, I think these guys would be perfect to be on the network and bring a completely new genre. Yeah. The network, which is really exciting. These are going to be your best friends, guys. The true beauty Brooklyn podcast hosted by estheticians and just badass entrepreneurs, Alex Shapiro and Elizabeth Taylor. Yes, that Elizabeth Taylor are, are coming at you this Friday, April 30th. We are so freaking stoked.

So they're bringing the vibe of their Brooklyn beauty studio to life. So of course, they're giving everybody, they're answering your questions about the science behind healthy and beautiful skin and things like eyebrow shaping and all this stuff that you want to know, stuff like that. But they're also inviting friends and guests who are experts who identify as women and they're members of the LGBTQ plus community and other groups that have been historically marginalized. They're sharing not just their tips and tricks, but their life's journey with us. And it's basically beauty school for all. Yeah, that's right. So you can hear the trailer of a true beauty Brooklyn. See, it's not the easiest thing to say fast, but you can hear their trailer

at the end of this episode and then their network premiere is tomorrow, Friday, April 30th on the exactly right podcast. That's exactly right. And every Friday, there's going to be a new episode. So what's really cool too is that their back catalog of so they've been doing this for a long time. So you can go back and listen to all those episodes as well. So I will say this again, and I will always say this. Rate, review, subscribe to your favorite podcasts. That is, that is the bread and butter of how you get visibility. Go ahead. And it's, I would say, I would order that. I know that's the way people have memorized to say it, but I would say subscribe. Absolutely. Rate. Those are the two important ones. Because that's how you let people know,

I love this podcast and I'm listening to this podcast. And then the reviews just to cherry on top. It definitely does count, which is, you know, important. So please, any podcast you love is, it's really important to do those things for them. And, you know, And welcome, True Beauty Brooklyn. We're so happy to have you. Yes. Welcome, ladies. Alex and Elizabeth, we're so happy to have you on board. And speaking of people that we are working with these days, of course, everyone knows, everyone heard our big announcement that we are now in partnership with Nick Terry, who makes those amazing MFM animated cartoons, animations for us. And we love him dearly.

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There's a really cute one of the two of us. That it's just the mothman and skeleton girl. We will call it. Yeah, it's really great. Two more things. This podcast will kill you. They're doing COVID-19 frontline workers. And I said, no gifts has Jimmy Frick and Kimmel on it. And Bridger and Jimmy have known each other for a long time. So it's a great episode. Yeah. Okay. One more piece of business. So I know we're business-ing you out. But this one's a big one. We're very excited because as we announced, our second book will be coming out, which we're very excited about. And our publisher Forge Books, they are doing a giveaway for our listeners. It's a sweepstakes, actually. So it's SSDGM swag. Two lucky winners will receive ultra rare and

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Let's quilt it up, baby. Come on. Am I first even? Yep, you're first this week. Okay, what you got? So this is, God, it's just, it's like one more big announcement. This, my story this week is from, um, if you heard this episode, it was in the 20, maybe six hours that it was posted in 2019 before we had to pull it right back down for legal issues. It's the infamous lost Glasgow episode. And, um, yeah, we had to pull it down for legal issues, but, um, turns out my story was in the clear. Uh, so we're going to share the half that we can share with you this week. So this is us. I mean, it feels like it was only yesterday that we were back. We were escaping the UK without going to prison. So this is, uh, the Glasgow 2019 show. And so here's my story of me covering the

beast of Berkenshaw. I'm going to do the beast of Berkenshaw Peter Manuel. But man, I don't like this story. Man, you don't like it? You know, I try to find the ones that are like kind of weird and kind of interesting and I can go off and then make a ton of jokes about this guy's not funny at all. Um, but amazing. And, uh, yeah, it's also like those stories that come from like the starts in the fifties and just, it's like the dark ages of police and detective work. It's just like there was nothing anyone had. They had to find like a knife in a hand to get like actual hard evidence. So there's so many situations in this story where they're like, but there's no evidence so they couldn't do it. Or they like put their cigarette out on the evidence on accident that they were

smoking while investigating. Well, they were, they were calling in photographers from the newspapers to come and stand on evidence real quick before they picked up the evidence. It was a different time. Okay. Um, so, uh, I got a lot of information on a website called oldglasgomurders.blogspot.com. Perfect. That's why it lasts so hard to use. I was like, how many Glasgow murder blog spots are there? And then I remembered how big the internet is. I also watched a series on daily motion called serial killers and this one specifically about the beast of Birkenshaw and an article on a website called radio times that was written by Eleanor Blake Griffiths. Okay. So we start on July 30th, 1955. Uh, that night around 11pm, 29 year old Mary McLaughlin is walking home from a dance.

When a man jumps out of the bushes, covers her mouth, holds a knife to her throat and tells her not to speak. So everyone's worst nightmare. Um, he makes her climb over a fence so that they're in a secluded field and there he spends the next hour alternately groping and kissing her and then threatening to cut off her head. When he finally stops, he apologizes to Mary, explains that he's just upset and that her red hair reminded him of someone and made him want to kill. Oh, oh, you're upset? Then by all means, take someone with a knife, you fucking psychotic baby. Okay. So he then asks Mary if she'd like a cigarette and offers to walk her home, you know, to protect her from all the other fucking rapists that are out there.

Oh my God. Then he mentions to her that he thinks they ride the same bus. Fuck. So Mary reports the attack to the police and with her help, they're able to identify her attacker as 28 year old repeat offender Peter Manuel. All right. Yeah. Um, from the office. What's his name? Jim from the office. American, American office. John Krasinski, ladies and gentlemen. Stop trying to be a fucking movie hero. John Krasinski went on like a no-carb diet and now he's lost his mind. I think it looks almost exactly like Robert De Niro. Oh yeah. And there's actually, I was looking at this picture, um, like Jay sent me a bunch of, uh,

options for the pictures and I picked this one. And then later on I found one where it looks exactly like Robert De Niro. We trust you. So that guy, Peter Manuel, he was born originally in New York city. So this, this one's on us. Um, but to Scottish parents. Um, and in 1927, his family moves back to Scotland in 1932 when he's five years old. Um, they move down to Coventry and that's where Peter really gets serious about being a shitty little criminal. So he's a very smart child. He earns himself a spot in a good grammar school and then he gets caught breaking into a house in grammar school. Holy shit. In grammar school. Um, this is, I think, under the age of 10, I believe. So he gets kicked out of the good grammar school and he has to go

to what's called an approved school, which is basically like a boarding school juvie, essentially. Delinquent boarding school. So he stays there for a while, runs away from that one. Apparently he, he over his lifetime got a reputation as a big breakout artist. He, um, so he runs away from that school. He gets caught. Of course, then he has to just go to a different, um, boarding school for bad children. When in 1941, he's 14. Again, um, he gets caught breaking into a house down the street from his new school. Um, but now his crimes have begun to escalate from just plain petty crimes to Jesus fucking Christ. What's going on? They always seem to do that. Yeah, they do. But this guy's doing it in like his early teens, which is crazy. So apparently he breaks into this house

and then according to the report, quote, the lady of the house saw him coming from her bedroom with an ax in his hand. And as a result, she had a nervous breakdown. Yeah. Horrifying. Yeah. It's a murder child in my house. Oh my God. Okay. So within the year, Peters charged with three more cases of breaking and entering and of robbery. Um, and during one of those robbery robberies, he decides he, he comes upon a woman sleeping in her bed. It's her house. So he, um, he starts beating over the, her over the head with a hammer. Oh my God. Yeah. And it leaves her with a concussion and a brain hemorrhage, but she survives. Um, so yeah. So when he's 15, he's not even a freshman yet. Um, he assaults the wife of one of the school's staff members.

He doesn't give a fuck. So he knocks that woman out, um, with a stick, he strips her, he drags her into the woods. He attempts to rape her. Um, but he's caught in the act. Um, but she, and he hurts her badly enough that she has to get stitches, but other than that, um, uh, she's okay. He's charged with indecent assault and pleads guilty, um, to robbery with violence. Okay. So it's 1943. Now he's 16. Um, and he lands himself in Borstal and, uh, which is basically a, it's a GV down there, kind of famous one. And he serves two years there and the, the staff that works there describes him as a slippery customer. Perfect. Oh yeah. The little kid with the axe. He's a slippery customer. You better watch out. Uh, okay. So when his two years are up

at Borstal, uh, he's 18. So he moves back in with his parents who now live in Burke and Shaw, not, kind of just outside Glasgow. So it takes him about less than three years to get himself back in prison. In March, 1946, he's arrested for the rape and another breaking up for rape, sorry, and another breaking and entering charge, but he gets eight years this time. Um, in October of 1952, he's released. Uh, it's a job with British railways. Um, for two and a half years, then the company finds out about his insane past and they fire him. Um, so around 1954, 1955, um, he meets a red-headed woman named Anna O'Hare and they fall in love. They plan to get married, um, in July of 1955, but then Anna finds out about Peter's criminal history and she breaks it off that night, July 30th,

1955 and enraged, uh, Peter assaults Mary McLaughlin. Um, okay. So he is arrested and tried for the assault of Mary McLaughlin and the evidence against him is damning a knife with his fingerprints, Mary's blood on his shirt, Mary's account of what happened that night. But no. Uh-huh. He insists upon acting as his own defense as they always do those psychopaths. They fucking love it. They're the smartest people on the planet. They know everything. He tells the court that he and Mary had actually been seeing each other and that they were having a fight on the evening of July 30th. Uh, he says he did hit her in the mouth, which explains the blood on the shirt, but that Mary made everything else up because she's jealous and she's out for revenge. The jury declares no verdict due to

lack of evidence and Peter manual walks free. Back. The battle times, everybody, the battle times. It's just a, it's just 12 dudes on that jury going, oh man, I know some jealous bitches. Let him go. Let him go. The court reporters like shaking her head. You motherfuckers, you've done it again. I can't wait for 2019. Okay. So, uh, Peter manual is already known around town as an arrogant asshole. Uh, but now he believes himself to be untouchable because he basically got himself off in this case, uh, uh, that Mary McLaughlin was trying to get him prosecuted for. So on January 2nd, 1956, um, that evening, 17 year old Anne Neelans is getting ready for a local dance at her friend's house. So Anne's dad wouldn't let her wear makeup.

So she walked under her friend's house. Um, so she could get ready there and she gets ready for this dance. Her friends, um, are taking too long. So she decides to leave and go by herself. That's the last time her, those friends saw her live. So she walks into the village, um, of Blanter alone. Was it high Blanter? And is Blanter incorrectly pronounced? It's been great talking to you all. Thanks so much. Just an audience laughing at you. So hard at you. But you don't know why. Usually you have so much control over why they're laughing. Anyway, um, I honestly think that when I was writing high Blanter into tire, tire, then tire. Yeah, but okay. From the, from the documentary I was watching, that's how they pronounced it. And I wrote it out phonetically

and like correctly phonetically were bland as in all caps. Like it's in the dictionary. Okay, but I guess you know better than a documentary. Okay. Okay. So the reason Ann's excited to go to this dance is because she has a date that's going to meet her there. And, but when she gets there, he stood her up. Right. So, but she still stays at the dance until after midnight. And then once again, she walks home alone. Um, so she thinks she's alone, but actually she's being followed. And then she realizes there is a man following her and she starts to run and he chases her. He catches her, he drags her onto the East Kilbride golf course where he rapes her and then brutally beats her to death with a blunt object. Terribly beat. He caved her skull in,

but he also beat her in the face. So it's when the police actually, you know, when they found the body, it was that kind of thing where it was like, there were very, very few murders back then in Scotland. I think they, in the documentary, they said they had like seven or eight a year. So these guys are traumatized. Yeah. And yeah, and it's just really extreme. Okay. So, um, the problem was also Ann's parents thought she was spending the night at her friend's house. So they didn't call the police to report her missing until January 4th, which is the same day that her body is discovered on the golf course. Okay. Here's a, this is a picture of Ann. And then here the police searching the area where, near where her body was found. Because there was the golf course,

but then the gas company, you know, it was at the time back then it was all these beautiful farms, but they were putting in all these housing, a bunch of housing. So the, so the gas company was putting in gas lines. And there was actually a big workstation right next to the golf course that had all the, I'm calling it the gas company because that's what we call it in California. I think I have it written correctly in here somewhere, but, but basically there was a whole work site with all the equipment and stuff for the digging for them to lay the gas lines. So when reporters arrive at this murder scene, there's a worker from this nearby construction site, they're telling them that actually a pair of boots and a pickaxe had been stolen

a couple of days before from that work site. And, and there's a newspaper photographer that overhears this conversation of him telling them that. So he walks over to take a picture of the guy because he's like, oh, this sounds like it might be a lead and there's something here. So I'm going to get a picture of this guy. And the guy immediately charged, he goes, absolutely no pictures and does like this whole freak out. The guy in the documentary is like, well, so then I had to take his picture and it's Peter manual. Yeah. So he's basically setting up an alibi of like, oh, my boots and pickaxe were stolen from this. Oh my God, he works for the company. Yes, he's working on that site, that exact site. So of course, the police put that all together and they already know that he's

like this multiple offender. And they also noticed that he's got some scratches on his face. So he goes right to the top of the suspect list. But Peter's father provides an alibi for him saying that he was with him on the night of the murder. And Peter explains the scratches away by saying that he got into a street fight here in Glasgow. And the police were like, that's impossible. No one fights in the street, especially after they've been drinking. I saw some fucked up shit when I lived here, I swear to God, girls fighting with huge hoop earrings on. I was like, this is not safe. What are you guys doing? But it was Saturday night. All right, I hope you all do the same tonight. Okay, so without any solid evidence putting him at the scene, and with the

solid alibi that his dad provides, the police have no choice but to move down the list of suspects and no one gets arrested for Ann's murder. Okay, so they do when they do talk to the guy that stood her up at the dance, he had had a really bad hangover. And all of his family and friends are like, man, it's the truth. That's why which I'm sure that guy feels. Yeah. Oh, so terrible. Okay. Okay. So September 17, 1956. This is nine months later. Marion Watt is at home with her 16 year old daughter Vivian, and her own sister Margaret Brown. Vivian spent the day window shopping around Glasgow with her friend who lives next door. Then she came home, then they basically just all went to bed. It was a pretty standard night. Vivian's father William Watt is away on a fishing trip.

So here's Vivian. Oh, so in the middle of the night, an intruder breaks into the Watt's home and shoots all three women in the head. Holy shit. So Mrs. Watt and her sister had been both sleeping in the master bedroom together in the same bed. So their murders were almost simultaneous. But Vivian's room is found completely torn apart. Her pajama bottoms are ripped. Her body is severely beaten. And even though she was shot in the head, she was still alive when her attacker left. Oh my God. And she actually, the next morning their maid came and couldn't get into the house. And normally the door was open and the family was up and doing stuff. She couldn't get into the house. She goes to the next door neighbor. They basically call a mailman over.

And the mailman sees that somebody has actually broken into the glass on the side of the door. So he reaches in and unlocks the door. And then they all find this horrible massacre, a massacre of a whole family. So the police, oh, here's the police searching there, the home. That's the Watt's home. And doesn't that look like it's from like World War One? Yeah. It's the fifties. Yeah. It was like, oh, here 1000 years ago, this is what how police used to look for evidence. Is that a metal detector? That's a metal detector. It's a metal detector right there. And it's Winston Churchill who's using it. It's so nice. He used to help everybody. The original detector. Yeah. Okay. So immediately they arrest the father that was away on the fishing

trip. William Walk. Yes. Because they put it together. He was 180 miles away. And oh, yeah, you guys don't do miles. Yeah. Oh, kilometers or whatever. It doesn't matter. Whatever it is, he's 180 of them away. It's about it's he's about two and a half hours away. Okay. And they the police actually basically time it out and say he absolutely from the last time an eyewitness saw him at the carabin hotel, which is where he was saying first fishing trip, the last eyewitness, they basically timed it out. And they're like, he absolutely could have driven back home, killed this whole family and then driven back and then been there in time for the next eyewitness who says they saw him. I don't think it's him. It is not. I'll just look spoiler alert. This is going

to be over pretty soon anyway. It's not it's not this guy. And the crazy thing is, but they arrest him and he's immediately in jail. Even though there was a hotel worker who said they said that she saw him cleaning frost off his windshield the next morning and windscreen and but how could it be a screen? And it wouldn't have been frosty. That's right because the car would have been in use if it was and there's all these things where they they try to pin on him and they so they go and they interview all the gas station attendants along the road and they're all like, no, I've never seen that guy before. So then they appeal to the public and they're like, has anybody seen this guy? So of course, somebody's like, yeah, I saw him. He was a guy that ran a ferry. He's like,

I totally saw that guy as a dog. And then he starts giving the cops all this information or like, we got it. Then they realize, oh, everything this guy is telling us has been in the newspaper. Yeah. So none of this is real. So then they make another appeal. Has anybody seen this? So then another guy comes forward and this is basically them trying to go just kind of just be this guy and you can leave him in jail. Someone say they saw him. Yeah. And the second eyewitness eventually admitted he never really saw the driver's face and kind of wasn't telling the truth. Okay, this is the most nuts part. So this is where because William Watts been arrested, Peter manual goes from cocky to fucking completely insane and contacts the police about the Watts

family murders. Yeah, he gets involved. So here's this is this whole thing is a quote from the old Glasgow murders.blogspot.com website. Please visit there. It's beautifully, it's a great website. It was so comprehensive. God bless websites like that at four o'clock the day of a show. Okay. Manual wrote to the police claiming that he knew who had committed the murder. He had also contacted several newspapers claimed to have insider knowledge of the crime. He even arranged to have a meal with William Watts and his lawyer at Glasgow's white hall restaurant to discuss the case. The husband? No. Yes. Oh, yeah. Yes. It had to be him. Yeah. Maybe it was before he was. Yeah, yeah. Or maybe it's just a lawyer. You know, you can't trust these blogs. Just immediately shit on

him. Well, basically he got he basically had a meeting with William Watts. He inserts himself into this entirely inserts himself. He claims that a criminal associate who was conveniently unable, he wasn't conveniently unable to name was responsible for the crime, while simultaneously providing an impressively detailed description of the Watt home, a description which he claimed had been passed on to him by the perpetrator. In one piece of bizarre behavior during one of these meetings with Watt, manual produced a photograph of his first murder victim. I'm so sorry. I want to know what's going to happen. Ann islands and asked if Watt knew her before ripping the photograph to pieces. So now he's just in there doing some fucking crazy shit because he thinks he's smarter

than everybody. Okay. So the cops in Glasgow are tearing their hair out. They know this guy has something to do with it, obviously, but there's never any evidence. So they just, they have to use the evidence that comes up and put somebody in jail because people keep getting murdered. Okay. So a year after the Watts family massacre on December 28th, 1957, a 17 year old girl named Isabel Cook is walking from her Mount Vernon home to a school dance when she disappears. I mean, talk about an MO. It's teenage girls going to and coming from dances. So obviously he's like creeping out, like watching them and stopping them as they go. So she disappears. Authorities conduct a massive search for her. She's not found. And of course, the police, the first suspect on

everyone's mind is Peter manual. But again, no hard evidence. And now he Peter believes he cannot be caught. But he's very wrong. So, but unfortunately, this doesn't get it. It's one of those things where you're just like, if only like, if only that's when they found this case or if only they didn't insist it was William Watt and looked into it further. Totally. Because in the early morning of New Year's Day, 1958, Peter and Doris smart and their 10 year old son, Michael are all shot dead in their Oddington home. Is it Oddington? It is. Thank you. Thank you. She wants us to feel better about ourselves. Yes. Yes, it is. You can do it. Okay. This is just this is just terrible. This family is just murdered. He's such a fucking asshole. He's a real piece of shit. And after this crime,

he lives in their house for a week. So beyond like psychopath, right? So he's he hangs out, he eats their food, he drives their car, he feeds their cat, which is just creepy. At one point, he gives a policeman a ride to go search for Isabel Cook in their car. In this family's car, takes the policeman to go to the previous victim, his previous victim. Oh, this guy's just like, doesn't give a fuck. He's the devil. Okay. But a week after the smart family murders, Peter manual goes to a pub and uses what it what looks like brand new money to pay for his drinks. And the bartender, who is the smartest motherfucker in the world is like, this guy shouldn't have this much money. And why is it brand new? So he calls the cops. Yeah. And

he's like, here's the serial numbers. Here's this money. I don't know what's going on. I feel like people are never encouraged enough to just be this involved. Yeah, you don't have to like go to the mat or whatever. But just if you if you go like, that's weird. Hey, policemen, do you think this is weird? Do you want to run this through some machines or something? So of course, when they check with the bank, of course, I lost my goddamn spot. Fucking bartenders, man. Like, yeah, let's just take a moment on it. And like, no one, no, no one realizes they're the only person who's not shitfaced in the bar. And they're fucking paying attention. Or they're really good at being shitfaced. Right. Okay, so I just need to turn the page. Okay, so the bank, they go, they take the money to

the bank, and the money is traced back to Peter smart, who had withdrawn a bunch of cash for the holiday. Because remember that when you had to get money and like in planning ahead, you had to get all your money at once. Yeah, a long time ago. But before there were ATMs, you just had to stand in the bank with your mom and wait for her to take like $800 and cash out. And then just roll the dice on the streets of Petaluma. This is a personal story. Anyway, anyhow, this dangerous streets of Petaluma. Oh, we had to fight our way to the car. This parked right outside. Anyway, okay. Finally, authorities have the hard evidence they need to connect Peter manual with one of the series of the murders that were terrorizing Glasgow. So finally, on January 14, the 1958,

people are not people, police arrest. We're almost there. Peter manual at his parents' home in Berkenshaw for the triple murders of the smart family. Here's a smug shot. Dick. Okay. Yeah. Really no more. No, I don't like it. Okay. So at first, he denies killing the smart family. But when police arrest his father on a lesser charge, he caves and confesses to all eight murders, including the murder of Isabel Cook, the girl who is missing. He tells police that he had again same mo stalked, raped and beaten her to death. And then he led them to where he buried her body. So his trial begins May of 1958. And even though he's already confessed to the murders, he enters a plea of not guilty. And once again, represents himself in court. Yeah, go ahead, ding dong.

He's like, no, I just called a serial killer. That's how we take the power back in these little ways here and there. He is a fucking ding dong. I'm sorry, I'm hopped up on hula hoops. Coffee, hula hoops and a can of wine is what I had for dinner tonight. Wait a second. And I am sorry because we're almost done, but what? Your instant coffee is horrible. Why didn't anybody write us a quick note to say, do not under any circumstances say yes to instant coffee. I had it on the train. I thought that guy hated my guts. It was like a prank. That's gotta be Manchester's fault, right? Because like we were coming, the train was coming from there to here. They block it at the border.

They're just like, no, no, no, no. Man, it's rough. It's to put a little screen in there to filter out the granules. I just drank them. I don't give a shit. That's why I'm going real good today. Okay, so he's representing himself in court like a goddamn superstar. So he tells the court that it was 10 year old Peter Smart who killed his parents before killing himself. Oh my God. Disgusting. He also claims he and the boy were friends and that's why he had a key to their house is that he didn't steal it after killing them. It was that this son made friends with a 38 year old scumbag. I don't think so. So although the judge does at the end of the trial say that Peter manuals defended himself with a skill that is quite

remarkable. You don't need to compliment the dude. Well, that's how good he was. The judge is like, look, I hate you. And I have to say that was pretty impressive. But the jury is like, uh-uh, they're having none. So they find him guilty on all charges. He doesn't get charged for the murder of Ann Nieland's because there is no evidence connecting him to her murder sadly. But it doesn't matter because he's still sentenced to death by hanging. That's right. And William Watt is immediately released from jail and completely exonerated for the murders of his family. Jesus. Which can you imagine? It's like they've been treating him like a criminal. It's like, oh no, his family was murdered. Yeah. Yeah. Horrible. Did they have lawsuits back then? I hope so.

Okay. So here's a great hometown email that we got about this. Hi Karen and Georgia. I'm a big fan. I can't wait for you to play London. I want to tell you about my family's local murders and close calls. I live in London, but originally I'm from a small town in Scotland called Coatbridge. Thank God. And in the fifties, my grand worked in a factory in Glasgow and had to get the bus back by herself often late at night. One night she was coming home and another man got off at the same stop. I'll just remember you. Remember he told Mary, I think we ride the same bus. Okay. Did I just say I'll just remember you? I wasn't going to say anything. I thought it'd be a dick move to be like, you said that wrong. No, it's not. I'll just remember you.

This is where the jet lag really starts to hit good, like a drug. Drop that beat. Okay. Okay. So one night she was coming home and another man got off on the same stop. He began chatting to her asking her where she lived and said something along the lines of it's not safe for a young woman such as yourself to be walking alone at night. My grand was always a smart woman and sent something was off. So she told him not to worry and that her husband was meeting her halfway to walk her back. Our genius. He seemed happy with this and continued making general small talk for the next 10 minutes or so until he turned around and said, you're a fucking liar in the fifties. Can you imagine the blood, your blood would run cold. But you were so nice one

second ago. Now you have sharp eyes. My grand asked him what he was talking about. He said, well, we're well past halfway to your house. No one's coming to get you. It's just you and me out here. My grand freaked the fuck out. She started screaming like fuck and didn't stop light started going on in the houses around her and the man ran off into the night. Thank God. Years later, the news reported on a man who was captured on suspicion of murder and as soon as they they'd shown his mug shot, my grand instantly went, that's him. That's the man from the bus. It was Peter Manuel, a serial killer who committed at least seven murders, including two entire families. As more and more details of his crimes came out, it was revealed

he successfully defended himself from a rape charge in near identical circumstances to the one my grand found herself in. And then he goes on to tell us very quick story about how this same grandma also warned his mother against ever going to this one ice cream man and that ice cream man turned out to be Fred West. Grandma, listen to your fucking grandma kick and ass all day long. Anyway, I hope you enjoyed this. Can't wait to see you in the UK SSGDM, Brendan. Amazing. So good. So and just to wrap it up on a positive note, on July 11th, 1958, serial killer Peter Manuel is hanged on the gallows in Barlinnie prison. In his final words were, turn up the radio and I'll go quietly. And that is the huge bummer story of the beast of Berkenshaw, Peter Manuel.

Wow. Wow. That was intense. Isn't that awful and insane? Great job. Thank you. Very fucking intense. So and I mean, whole families. Yeah, it's heartbreaking. Horrifying. Yeah. Oh, heavy hitter and great, great story told beautifully in glass. Thank you. Oh, and cookie loved it. Cookie approves. She was like, yay. Love it. That was awesome. Thank you. I don't remember it. I don't remember anything. I just remember the amazing accents that everyone has. And we had an amazing time and the audience the audience was the greatest. They were. We had we it was a great show. It was. It really was. Okay, my story. I never thought I'd do this. But look, here we are in Seattle. I think we have a lot of shows in the like when we do

Seattle or, you know, Chicago or we have like four shows in a row. And so we have to find a different story for every night. And it's like, fuck, you know, scrambling to find the best ones. And so of course, I was like, well, who other than D.B. Cooper represents this city. So in the Pacific Northwest, man, it's just ripe with stories. So this is me in Seattle of October, 2018, covering none other than D.B. Cooper, man. All right. Hey, you guys. Hi. On an afternoon, a day before Thanksgiving in 1971, a guy calling himself Dan Cooper, did you know this, boarded a Northwest Airlines flight 305 in Portland bound for Seattle. That's right. He was wearing a dark suit and a black tie and described as a business executive type. He's a fucking picture on

Don Draper. Okay. Wow. In the air. He opens his briefcase shows a bomb to the flight attendant and hijacks that motherfucking plane. Yeah. The plane lands in Seattle. He demands $200,000 in cash over one million today. Oh, I love the translation. It's a lot of money. It's always two dollars and a million dollars in today's money. Inflation. What's happening? Is money real? It doesn't matter. But the minimum wage has not gone up since. It was for real. Sorry. The minimum wage was six dollars and 25 cents in 1971. And it's six dollars and 25 cents in today's money. Let's get those bankers their bonuses. Right. They deserve them. We're doing. I don't know. It's a late show. You guys knew when you bought tickets. We're on the fucking verge. Georgia forgot

her shoes. That's we're there. We're there. That's right. And my tissue. Jesus Christ. Oh, God. Parachutes. He asks for when they land in Seattle. Parachutes? Parachutes. She said. Remember when I told everyone to vote and you thought I said Vogue? It's like the end of the show heartfelt message. And please everybody Vogue. And I was just like, girl, you're about 15 years late on that message. Okay. Paris is burning. Ladies and gentlemen, they did it first. That's right. Okay. Four parachutes and food for the crew. Which is like really nice. He ordered them food. He said I want a million dollars in today's money. I want four parachutes, which I'm sure the flight attendants were like, oh, shit. Yeah. It's more than him. Yeah. That's more than one

person. Food for the crew. And then he released all the passengers. It's reasonable. Yeah. Not a dick so far. Okay. I mean, don't, you know, hijack shit, but whatever. Back then it was quaint. It happened a lot back then. Yeah. People were, it was like, it was like the new meme. Me, me. Planking. No, don't do it. Steven, edit that out. So there's three pilots. One flight attendant left on board. They take off from Seattle with the marked bills heading south. It was dark and lightly raining. 45 minutes after takeoff, Dan Cooper sent the flight attendant to the cockpit, puts on the parachute. I'm sure he winked at her because that sounds like the kind of guy he is. He did it. Called the horse over. Got onto it. Later days, Missy. The three other parachutes

were for his horse. I'm so sorry. I don't know what I'm saying anymore. I do apologize. No, that was great. He ties the bag full of $20 bills to himself, lowered the rear stairs, and somewhere north of Portland, fucking later days. Sorry. What kind of, so it was like some kind of a military plane? No. It was like a passenger plane. But remember they used to have to get off on the tarmac and walkie walk like we do in Burbank? Right, yes. So it was like that. But those stairs get rolled up? Well, listen. So sorry. What do you want from me? Pretend I didn't ask that question. I'll look it up later on. There's a hard, strong rule with this podcast that you and I, it's never been spoken, and I feel like maybe tonight's the night. Tonight's the night.

Don't ask questions. Don't fucking question me. Details, question mark? No, no, no. So sorry. No, no, it's all good. My mistake. No, no, that's great. I love it. Okay. Stairs happen. But they have to land the plane with the stairs out, and they land on every one's own. That doesn't happen. And then they find two remaining parachutes and a black tie in the seat that he was sitting in. So he like took one of the parachutes with him. What does that mean? Well, maybe. Let's ask him. Come on out. Oh my god, you son of a bitch. You are on his horse? He comes out on the horse? Or what if he fucking parachuted in right now? If anyone's ever parachuted in here, I'd be rad. I don't know. Probably David Lee Roth at some point. That's totally his style.

Local police and FBI are immediately questioning suspects. An Oregon man named, an Oregon man named DB Cooper existed. He had a minor police record, and he was one of the first people of interest on the case, contacted. On the off chance, the hijacker would use his real name like an idiot. That's what they meant to say. But he's quickly ruled out as a suspect, but a local reporter is immediately like, I got to get my deadline in. I'm going to say that that's his name. And so his name becomes DB Cooper. That's his fucking name. Oh, DB Cooper is another guy in Portland that just had that name? Yeah. And the original guy is like, my name was Dan, but thanks, dude. Thanks for the cover. Yeah. So DB Cooper becomes the name of legend that you all know

and tolerate. The military is called in. A thousand troops search the suspected jumpsome. They do all these like bananas tests that were like probably really high tech for the 70s, but we would laugh at if we saw it today. What, like a crate of bananas goes up? The airplane guy in a gorilla suit is like returns to be a banana. They like fly over like the ocean and then they parachute down to see like what trajectory he would have had and all this shit. And they like picked this, this, it was a Boeing 727. And they did all this crap like that. And so they concluded what time he jumped and all this bullshit, but they didn't find anything. FBI agents recovered 66 unidentified latent prints on the plane. And the agents, I know,

there's probably a lot of passengers that might have been. Yeah, I think that's how planes are. Unidentified. So maybe they, they rolled out the other ones. They couldn't, they couldn't roll them out. Yes. Got you. They're the people who brought the stairs. They forgot about those people. Authorities interview eyewitnesses in Portland, Seattle and Reno and all of the flight crew who are personally interacted with Cooper and some sketches are drawn like the one you just saw. And ultimately the search operation is arguably the most extensive and intensive in U.S. history uncovered no significant material evidence related to hijacking. Dad? Marty? Marty? Oh, my God. That was my dad, you guys. And you just kind of realize it tonight. Yeah. I was

going to say, his eyes do look a bit like, you know how when flounders eyes go over to the side? They look like they're drifting a tiny bit. What if it was a fish that got turned into a man, he jumped over the ocean, he landed in the water and he brought money back to his flounder friends who need it? I'm real tired. That is, you just pitched a Disney movie from 1969. Congratulations. And everyone's racist. Okay. A month after the hijacking, the FBI distributed a list of, so they give out the money serial numbers for everyone to keep their, you know, sharp eye on because you know how much everyone loves staring at money. And they give them money to financial institutions, casinos, racetracks, other fun places that people like to hang out when they have a set of money.

And let's see, the FBI investigates over the years but doesn't catch a break until nine years later in 1980 when a young boy who probably became the coolest fucking kid at school named Brian Ingram is digging a fire pit in the sand at a place called Tenna Bar. Not a fucking word. Not a, there wasn't a sound in this place. I bet it's not because I got it right. Either. I mean, yeah, I think they might be just baffled. I am right there with them. This fucking cool kid, he uncovers three bundles of cash a couple inches below the surface with rubber bands still intact. And there's a total, he finds a total of $5,800, which in today's money is a million. And FBI, he gives the money, he's probably a Boy Scout, so he gives the money, he tells everyone

about it instead of his family hiding it away. Like you're saying you would do? No. FBI, they confirm that the money is from the ransom. So some of it got lost on the way. Here's some of that money. It's not cool and creepy. Look at that money. I love that. I love money. Oh wait, I have the one after the hat. What if I knew all the numbers of my money? Wait, sorry. It looked like that when he found it? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So he found it. He found it. They searched and analyzed the beach and the river was dredged and they're called, they're called Cooper Hunters, they call themselves. Guys, this got to be something better than that. Think of it. Think of it. You've got this. I'm never going to do it. No, I can only think about how I'm not thinking of it. Cooper

Tino's. Nope. Cooperino's. D.B. Cooperino's. My favorite, my favorite fan name of a, you know, obsessed people is Chris Pine, that actor from Star Trek. His fans call themselves Pine Nuts. Amazing. It's the best one of all time. Amazing. I'm a Pine Nut. I admit it. I'm a Pine Nut. I like didn't care about him to slightly dislike because I hate pretty people until you told me that. And I was like, I like Chris Pine. He's down to earth. His dad was the like lieutenant from chips. Oh, okay. I like him. Don't worry. You're somewhere out there, Chris. Somewhere out there, Chris Pine's heart is just like warming because I like him now. That's right. It means something to those people. Yeah. A body wasn't found. No shit, said everyone. In 1986, after years of

negotiations, okay, so the family and the FBI and the airliners insurance company who had paid the airline this ransom that they had to give away, the kid and the airliner like, it's my money. And they're like, oh, it's my money. No, it's my money. And finally they, you mean that kid from the beach? Yeah. It's not his money. So it's totally he found it. And they already got paid back for the ransom. Oh, oh, I see. Don't you think? I think the kid had the money airlines. Yeah. Well, but the money he found was just shitty green paper with holes in it. So true. They would have been like, you can keep that money, you little fucking asshole. Keep all of it. Well, in the end, the money is divided equally between the kid and the airlines insurer and the insurers are went back to

eating the poor. You are so political tonight. I'm loving it. Let's get into it. This kid, when he grew up, sold his bills at auction in 2008 for so he got half of what he found, which was 5800. And then he sold the bills at auction in 2008 and he got $37,000 for that. Yes. Now I'm on Brian's side. That's right. But to date, none of the 9,710 remaining bills have turned up anywhere in the world, which is creepy and weird, right? Yeah. Did he die? The serial numbers are still available though. So check your money, everyone. And it's a huge debate if he died in the jump or not. Let's talk about the suspect profile. So they drew that fucking picture of the flounder. And then over a 45-year span of active investigation, the FBI, you know, every now and then, the Cooper hunters,

the Cupertinos, which I'm calling them from now on, sometimes will be like, well, what about this? You know, I imagine that's how they talk. And the FBI is like, shut up. Truly. So they think that the FBI does think that Cooper appeared to be familiar with the Seattle area because he may have been an Air Force veteran based on testimony that he recognized the city of Tacoma from the air. You guys from the air are amazing. Hi, girl. Hi, girl. As they went around Puget Sound, he was like, hey, there's Tacoma. Drop me off. Yeah. And so they also theorized that Cooper took his alias from a popular Belgium comic book series of the 1970s featuring a fictional hero named Dan Cooper. How bum was he that he went to lengths to pick the right name? It was a guy who was a

fictional hero. He was a Royal Canadian Air Force test pilot who took part in numerous heroic adventures, including parachuting. And his name was Dan Cooper. And the guy's like, I'm gonna do Dan Cooper. And they're like, no, but Stevie Cooper. Because some fucking newspaper guy was lazy. He didn't fact check his shit. Like, what a bummer. I never spent the money. Excuse me. Do you think that Dan Cooper, when he picked that name was like giving clues or something? Or like trying to be like puzzly and interesting? Yes. I think he's a roller derby. And he just like wanted a cool name. You know what? Dan Cooper. He was like one of those guys that's like, can you guys call me stretch from Noah? It's my new nickname. They're like, no Dale. You can't pick your own

nickname. No, it doesn't work that way. Okay. Let's see. Oh, in addition to planning his escape perfectly, he also took back his ransom note and wore dark glasses showing that he kind of knew, you know, how to evade a little bit. So they didn't have the handwriting sample and all that bullshit. So between 1971 and 2006, the FBI processed over a thousand quote serious suspects, including publicity seekers and deathbed confessors, which is like, those poor people are like, I have nothing. I'm BB Cooper. Like, you got to do something to, you can confess one day. Nothing too serious. Just something kind of interesting. Yeah. Yeah. But there are all, nothing more than circumstantial evidence could be found to implicate any of them.

When I'm on my deathbed, you don't, I'm going to confess. Tell me, you don't, you can't do it now or it won't come true. Right? Oh, it's all going to come true. What? I'm going to be laying there and then I'm going to be like, come closer. Like a drunk drunk, Karen. Yeah, it's a secret. I'm going to find a secret. Final secret, Karen. And then I go, I have a pine net. People are like, we don't know what you're talking about. It's just sad. She thought she was a nut. It was very sad. Just delusional. Totally insane. One suspect that people thought was, it was John List. Remember him? Yes, I do. That fucking

psychopath who killed, he's the family annihilator dude from way back when with the, you remember the creepy bust on America's most wanted and then he saw it himself and was like, oh, that's me. I killed my whole family way back when and he like later, remember that guy? Killed his family, laid them out in the ballroom. You remember. You don't have to go through the whole thing. Well, he was an accountant in a World War II in Korean vet and he did all that killing 15 days before the Cooper hijacked. Is that true? That's a good theory. Yeah, he withdrew $200,000 from his mother's bank account and disappeared, which just realizes the exact same amount. It's the exact same amount. And it's a million dollars. This cannot be. So he came to the attention of

the task force because of his timing of his disappearance, multiple matches to the hijacker's description, which he did look, he looked just like the bust. I didn't put it up there because I actually deleted all this earlier because I wasn't going to bother. Are you just kind of stuck in it? And I'm kind of glad it's here. Yeah, I like it. And also because the reasoning was that, quote, a fugitive accused of mass murder has nothing to lose. That's right. That's the only way I would jump out of a fucking plane personally. Parachute or no. I mean, ideally parachute. Yeah. I would say best case scenario parachute. Yeah. At least one. After his capture in 1989 listed minutes of murdering his family, but because and he said he didn't do the hijacking

and because we fucking trust mass psychotic fucking murderers, where everyone's like, okay. Oh, you didn't? No? Thank you so much. We appreciate it, sir. Have fun and, you know, et cetera. So there's no evidence that implicates him, and they don't consider him a suspect. He's dead. Yay. The most popular theory person suspect is this guy named Robert Wessley Rackstraw. What? What a dick. Say it again. Robert Wessley Rackstraw. That sounds like when you're, this is him. Oh, he looks like, he's got flounder eyes if I've ever seen him, everybody. Am I wrong or wrong? It looks exactly like him. It looks exactly like him. Can we see the, uh, sketch real quick and then go back to him? Yeah. Boom. That's the, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Guilty. We go back one more

time. That's fun. And then boom. Yes. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. He did it. I think he's also, uh, I think he's, what? He looks like you, you asleep. The mouth open. Sir, you're, this is a mug shot. It's going to be forever. Uh, what? Uh, what? Huh? What? Which direction? Sorry, what, where do I look? So this fucking winner is a retired pilot, an ex-con who served, he served on an army helicopter crew and other units during Vietnam. He, uh, in February 1978, he was arrested in Iran and deported to the U.S. to face explosives possession and check kiting charges. But that's a typo. No, no. It's, it's check kiting is when you write bad checks. Really? Yeah. That's stupid. Never. Really? That's weird. It's true. It's, it's, you know, like 50s talk. Okay. Yeah. He's a

check cutter. See? All right. Some kind of check cutter. That's fine. We'll get him. Um, write the serial numbers down. We'll find them. Eight, two, four, seven, three, eight, nine. We should start doing long form improv during this live podcast. Oh my God. No. Don't you dare cheer for improv. God damn it. It's really triggering for us, you guys. Okay. Give us some occupations. I'm gonna start sweating. Like, oh no. Why did I sign up for this class? What, but what if we solve this case through improv? We just throw that sound ball back and forth until we figure out who this man is. Zip, zap, John Hamm. Cool. Boop, boop. He does this shit. He does a bunch of stuff. He attempts to take his own death by radioing a false made a call. Tells controllers

that he was bailing out of a rented plane over Monterey Bay. Um, police arrest him on other shit and, um, so no direct evidence essentially. But I mean, he knew how to work a parachute. Yeah. He knew a lot about planes and jumping out of them and being an asshole and like doing a legal shit. Yeah. And he looked like that. Yeah. So guilty. Lock him up. Lock him the fuck up. Throw away the key. And in 2016, Rackstraw reemerges a suspect in a history channel program and book and, um, they all think that it's him. It's not. It might be. I don't know. We can't say. And then, um, copycats, there was a shit set. And all 15 hijacking similar to Cooper's, all unsuccessful. We're attempted in 1972. You know what I wouldn't do in 1972? Get on a fucking plane.

Yeah. You know, that thing of like, it's more like they'll die in a car accident than on a plane. Back then they were like, no, you'll probably get hijacked. I just like to, in 1972, I like to fly just so I could smoke. Oh yeah. You don't even have to smoke because everyone else is chain smoking inside of a fucking cylinder that you're sitting in. That's right. And they're like, what's her problem? Does anyone need a lighter? Let's get these cigarettes lit. Let's get this explode, expose flame out in the open. Okay. We're taking down the airline industry tonight. That's right. And of course, part of the reason why we have to take our shoes off at the airport is because this asshole, like it all led up to this, you know. You're blaming it for that. Probably.

Over 37 years before you had to take your shoes off. And then in early 1973, the FAA began requiring all airlines, not aliens, to search all passengers and their bags. So it's his fault. But I also am okay with it. Just, you know, be quick. Get through that line. Yeah. Come on. You have to take your shoes off. You have to pay attention. Just do it. Grab your fucking thing. Computer goes in a separate thing. It's not new. It's not new. And also, we don't wear a belt to the airport. You dumb shit. Like what's wrong? Why? Don't accessorize. No one gives a shit about your accessories. 20 people back. Start to untie your shoes. 20 people minimum. And if you're me and listen to your therapist and don't watch the line. Yeah. I had to tell them to stop watching

because you start hating people's guts so bad. This person won't do that. Sir, your phone's in your pocket. Oh. Yeah. It's hard being perfect. Start being an asshole. It's hard. It sucks. Okay. So essentially, the airlines, just wait. Okay. Basically, the FBI are like, he's definitely dead. We couldn't find him. So it's on him. He died on us. Yeah. So they could, I mean, who in where? And could we please find out? I need a real deathbed confession. What I think is interesting and maybe the problem with this case is that who gives a shit? You know what I mean? It's like, he got the money. He got away with it. Yeah. There's shit happening in this country. We're just like, yeah, I'm good with the FBI focusing on pretty much anything else than Don

Draper killing it parachute style and getting away with what, $11,000? Like go to town friend, buy a condo. You got, you did it, buddy. Like we, the worst things are happening here. Right? And that is the case of DB Cooper. Best one yet. You know what? I'm going to declare that that was my favorite murder and no one was killed. You just killed it. You're just like, ended that. I didn't know what I was going to end that on. And then you did it for me. And I appreciate that because in improv, you have to sense your partner's need and fill it. Thank you. Bullshit. There you go. What a great job you did with that. Oh, thank you. Oh, you're welcome. Trying to be delicate about it, you know, in case he's still

alive. In case it was a woman dressed as a man. I was just thinking about exact same thing. And he thinks possible with DB Cooper. That's the beauty of that story. I really honestly thought at the end of Mad Men, they were, that was going to be the twist. It was like, they made this, they did this whole thing where they alluded to like an airplane and him wanting to leave town and what was his name in the show? Was it a John Hamm's name? Yeah. Do you remember Stephen? It's going to drive me insane that I can't just answer this. No, I'm like, why can I not remember his character's name? I watched the whole thing. It is. It is. Wow. He's Don Draper. Don Draper. So it was, yeah, thank God. I beat Google. I beat Google. So it was DB. So it was like Don

something. And then Cooper was the name of the company he worked for or own or whatever. And I really thought it was going to be like the Twisteroo, which I thought I would pay to see it reshot that way. That's such a good theory. It wasn't mine. I never knew. Oh, it was. Oh, no, it's like a Reddit fan theory that I was like, damn it. Why didn't I think of that one first? Like someone tweeted it and I was like, I love when people do that where I'm like, I can't believe people pay such close attention when they're watching TV. It's really impressive. Yeah, it's really impressive. Or like think of tweets while they're in the middle of a TV program. Yeah. And now for the hometown, it's actually

from the same show from Georgia's story. Yeah. And it's one of the best told hometowns we've ever had at a live show. And we've had some great ones. This one is very sad, is very personal, and is beautifully told. So please listen now to Deena's hometown from that same live show in Seattle. We have time for our hometown. Great job, though. That was hard. I'm sorry. I know. Look who it is. Oh, it's Vince. Yo. Thank you. Is this the thing on the star? Yeah, yeah. Check, check, one, two. Yo, what's up? It's our tour manager, my husband, and by proxy, Karen's husband. That's right.

Vince April. That's right. Seattle, home to the world's first gas station. What? Good job, guys. Now, let's get a quick one done and get out of here. Thanks, Vince. Okay, we're going to do a hometown murder. If you have one, you have to listen. Stop yelling at me. Okay. It needs to be fast. We have to get out of here very soon. You can't be so drunk that you can't tell your own story. Beginning, middle, end. Freshman English. If you're yelling at me, you're not listening to the rules and you won't get picked. Oh, mom. It again has to be fast. Don't be drunk. I said that one. Great. And also, oh, everyone hates you. So just remember, just keep it moving. No shout outs to your friends.

Nobody gives a shit. Oh, it has to be local. Yeah. And now Georgia will pick the hometown murder. Okay. Yeah, you look really not into it. Get up here. Yeah. This way. Here she comes. Oh, she's so mad at her friend for making her do this. Hi. Come here. She brought her phone. Dina, come over here. Take this. Are you going to make a phone call really quick? Well, I have a note on here. You have notes. No notes. No, you don't do the same thing we do. Where are you from? I am from a little town that used to be called Slaughter. Oh. You might have heard of it. It's also called now Auburn. Okay. Wow. There's a few little murder connections in my life. Okay. This one is personal and it does make me a little,

I'll try not to get emotional. Get emotional. You can. Yeah. It's called Bipolar Ant in the government subsidized apartment with an ice pick. Oh, no. Okay. So I was born in the 70s, had the free range wild west childhood with a very big family, very big Catholic family. My uncle married a woman who I adored. She was the greatest. They had tons of fun. Had a very big family. Their children were around our age. We lived five minutes apart, spent a lot of time with them. Never knew anything was wrong until I was a teenager. When they first got married, her, she was a big family. One of the oldest children, her mother passed away, had younger kids and they checked them in. One of them had a

developmental disability and was dependent on care and she stayed with them for the rest of her life. When I was a teenager, she, my aunt had some issues with mental illness and was eventually diagnosed as bipolar and did some really crazy, crazy shit. But it was funny and we would see her later and she would, she would laugh about it. You know, and if she was on her mitts, she was great. But she like tried to dig into another friends where he had some helicopters and he was, she was going to dig under the fence, get the helicopters fly up because my uncle was, there was aliens or it was never anything violent. So anyway, she became a legal caregiver for her sister with the disabilities because of all the issues her and my uncle did get divorced and,

but she still lived in the same town. They still were, were made close. My uncle would even watch Nanette, what's her name? He would watch her occasionally to give my aunt a break, but she was her caregiver. So her, their oldest child has a baby and she becomes more involved, you know, in their life, very excited about the baby. She also discovered that she didn't need to take her medication because she became religious and she didn't need to take it. She had found nothing wrong with religion, but please take your medication. If you leave here with anything tonight. The moral of the story. That's right. So she was starting to say weird things again and acting strangely. She, my cousin happens to have three sixes and a social security number

and she was going on about how that means that he's satanic and that maybe the baby would and she needed to, anyway, stuff that was odd. So we luckily told the mother of the child, do not let her alone with the baby. She wanted a baby, so she wanted, no, I have some healthcare experience. My aunt, not the one with the problems, she worked mental health. We both sat them down and said, don't let her alone with the baby. We talked to my aunt Patty's daughter and tried to give her some help. She had already contacted her care, the people she would get her mental health care from and they told her there's nothing we can do. She hasn't made any threats to herself. She hasn't made any threats to anybody else and we can't force her to come in. You can't force

her to take medication. And very, very shortly after that, this was in, I think, 1998, she calls my uncle in the middle of the night, my aunt Patty, and says, you know, that basically, some of this I've heard, second, third hand, you know, it's a big family. Some of it was in the news, it's in the paper and that she had done something to Nana and he needed to come over and then he needed to help her and then they needed to go over to my cousin Erin's house. And so he thinks, oh, Patty, it's okay. She's just going to be okay. You know, I think she's done something and he got over there and she had, she had killed Nana in her sleep with an ice pig. And we're really hoping that Nana never knew. And she had a lot of weird, that was the quote, she had lots of weird shit, I guess, written

in her Bible. She had something written, please forgive me God, because Saddam Hussein has ruled the world or something and he told me to do it and I needed to murder Nana. And it was very, very, very hard for my cousin, especially her daughter. And it still is to this day. I mean, we still don't talk to her about it because she's just, it was very hard for her. It was hard for us. And she is one of the people that did get not guilty by reason of insanity. Yeah. So she is still in the Western state hospital, which is the big mental health. Yeah. And it should probably be there forever. Yeah. And that's it. And so please, everyone, thank you so much. Of course. That was an amazing, that was a really nice share. And it was my daughter who told me to do this. Yes.

Amazing. Great job. Give it up for her right now. Dina, give it up for Dina. My daughter did not do a crazy ninja roll up here. So thank you. I know you did great. That was really, really good. Thank you. Thank you so much. Yes. Man, I'm telling like, I don't want to let go of the luck of the draw hometown pick that we do because I know it's so hit or miss. When it's a miss, it's hilarious and everyone is laughing their ass off. Yeah. Or, you know, and they're still supportive. It's like such a great thing. But right when it's a hit, it's like serendipity. And, and sometimes there's these times where it's just this beautiful moment and people who have been there with us know you're kind of experiencing a thing that can't happen anywhere else. And it's

really a bonding kind of beautiful thing. And it's so, it just is like one of the coolest things about this, our listeners and this community that we're so excited to be a part of. It's just like, wow. Totally. Totally. Well, speaking of live shows, next week, Karen and I and Stephen especially are taking a much needed hiatus of a day, of a day, a week, a lifetime. It's one day really in the grand scheme of things. It's one day. So we're going to put up a live episode that only the fan cult has heard. Yeah. And we're just, we just need to take a little bit of a, we need to recharge our batteries and, you know, get our, get our stuff together. And then we'll be back with brand new episodes on all new stories. And, you know, a little bit of a

Rageable Eve. Oh, yes. Same thing. Same exact thing. I just said it in French. Oh, I said it in theater, in theater. Yeah. Yeah. So thanks for listening. And guys, thanks for being with us throughout this pandemic. It's been a joy to be doing it for you. And an exciting challenge. Such is life. Thank you, Stephen Ray Morris, for being our Sherpa, our audio engineer Sherpa and Google, Google master of the universe. Hannah Crichton, who's our acting producer right now, who we could, who is making our lives easier. It turns out that when you get a fucking producer on, who's smart and talented. Yeah. And you don't have to do it yourself. It's the greatest. Yeah. She has our next eight weeks of stories. She demanded them,

and we didn't want to let her down because she was really nice. So they're planned. We're after, after year five, we're really getting it together, everybody. It's going to be a whole new thing. Not really. But anyway, thanks for listening. Yep. And stay excited. And don't get murdered. Goodbye. Look at Frank. Elvis, do you want a cookie? Hey guys, I'm Elizabeth Taylor, and I'm Alex Shapiro. We're estheticians, friends, and the hosts of the True Beauty broken podcast, premiering on Exactly Right Network Friday, April 30th. Okay, Alex, you're more than an esthetician. You're the best waxer on this side of the East River. Okay. Well, when you put it that way, we're also more than just friends. We work together in our beauty studio in Brooklyn.

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