My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 31 - Namaste Sexy

Episode Date: August 26, 2016

This week, Karen and Georgia dive deep into the world of Lululemon with the Yoga Store Murder and then tell the tale of Tent Girl and The Doe Network. Plus a hometown murder by comedian Guy Branum!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Just be rating, Steven. It includes a seven second, just me reaming him before the episode starts. It's like a, what's it called, when you're a hostage and you're like trying to send a message to the outside world. Yeah. That's all Stockholm syndrome. Stockholm syndrome. Yeah, that's right. Steven has really bad Stockholm syndrome.

Evil. We are. Starting now. Karen. Welcome to my favorite murder. Karen. Karen, I'm just kidding. Karen.

Georgia. Karen. Georgia, we started the podcast. I feel so far. Quick, I can't stop. I'm great. How are you? I don't know if you've ever asked me how I was like that.

How are you? How are you really? How are you? Let's have a moment of vulnerability. I feel a lot of anxiety about, gosh, so many things. You know that weird Wednesday feeling? We're recording this on Wednesday. Yeah.

Will we get it up in time? Yeah. You know, job stuff. I drink too much coffee all day. Oh, you do. Am I drinking too much Diet Coke to the point where I'm killing myself? How many do you drink? Diet Coke?

Yeah. Oh, it's only like 23 a day. I feel, I like that every episode now you have to admit like you have to confess something you do. That's like, cause you had smoke, told us you smoked cigarettes last time. I was very rarely. It's not like, I wouldn't call that, it's not a thing. That's like my secret sneak away once in a while. I think you're in denial.

I know. What's your big reveal? Oh, what's a good one? What's a good one? What's a fun one? I have adult acne. Okay. That sucks.

I can relate to that. Yeah, I don't like that. That's about it. That's all you're willing to get? No, I mean, my life is a fucking up. I have nothing that I hide. I feel like that's, I think people can, it helps people lock in to our humanity. Yeah.

When we're just sitting here going, you know. Gross, disgusting, horrible humanity. Check out this hideousness. And they make it a podcast. Gross. It better be a podcast. I want to look at it. We're getting a lot of, is very enjoyable.

And of course, feeding the ego. A lot of people are doing like fan art, picture things of us, which the thing I enjoy the most is they always give me a huge nose. I don't think I have a huge nose. You don't have a huge nose. I think I have a pretty butt-knee nose. You have a cute little butt-knee nose. Thank you.

I just wanted you to say that. I've noticed, yeah, I have a large jaw in them, which I actually have an undersized jaw, hence my Invisalign. That's right. But thank you. But you know what? But thank you. We're the most ungrateful assholes of all time.

Here, we have a couple notes. Can you draw us better, please? Draw me. I know. There's a lot smaller. Listen, if you want to make it onto Instagram.com slash my favorite murder, you got to draw us. It's true to life.

There are some really good ones of us, really awesome drawings. Yes. I didn't go, oh my God, this looks like we have a comic book, which is super cool. Yes. So thank you so much. You're fucking backpedaling so hard right now. I know. I'm embarrassed.

Don't be. Go to the Instagram and you'll see a bunch of like, we post that shit all the time. We post all of them. We post everything that we see and find that you guys send us. I love it. I love it all. A lot of people made us new logos that say the Fuck Word Murder Mystery Show, which we really love and appreciate.

That was so great. That was good times. Yeah. So I just wanted to mention on the Twitter page, we got a quote, a million shout outs from Sweden. These guys who have a podcast called the power meeting podcast sent us a tweet that said a million shout outs from Sweden, which I didn't know until I read it that that's all I've ever wanted in my life.

So sweet. Shout outs from Sweden. Also, Australia loves us. Fuck yeah, Australia. Fuck yeah. We were number five in Australia. That's amazing. That's a big, that's a big place.

I must not be about accuracy down there because I feel like everything I've ever said about Australia on this podcast has been deeply wrong. Well, we did an Australian murder once. So maybe that's why. Oh, that's right. They like love us for doing that because there's some good ones there. There are some amazing ones. It was the son who washed his clothes before he did anything.

Yeah, he murdered. He went on a paper route, murdered his fucking family, blamed his dad, washed his clothes. Or was that New Zealand? Fuck. Yes, no, I think it was Australia. Watch the numbers plummet. Oh my God. Why did I even bring this up?

I don't know. I brought it up. Oh, okay. This is all your fault. What else do you want to say? Harmentown. Oh, yeah. It's the 28th.

I don't know if it's sold out or not, but we might as well give it a plug. Dan Harmon has a live podcast and we get to be the guests this coming Sunday. Yeah. So if you can't come, just listen to it because it's going to be a good episode. Yeah. It's going to be a good upcomer on a feral audio podcast exclusive. And then, oh, we're, we did the dollop live to enter the episode podcast and you can listen to that.

Oh, that's right. And it was super fun. Oh my God. It was amazing. It was really good. It was great just to sit between all of you guys who are so fucking funny and just like I said, and I really felt this at the time that I was going to laugh my Botox out. I was laughing so hard.

I thought I was going to break my Botox. Well, Dave and Gareth have this weird combination going where it's like Dave says the fact and then Gareth acts it out. Oh my God. And it's so amazing that I just wanted to sit there quietly and let them do it because I'm genuinely a fan of what they do. But I felt like, you know, of course as a comic, I have to nudge my way into everything. Right.

No, it was so good. It was super fun. Oh, also we got a tweet from Glitter Pizza91. God bless your heart that said, why not at the end of every murder? Why don't you ring a gong? Which I read out of context just read as a random tweet and it made me laugh very hard. Then I understood I saw a bunch of other tweets that said, what's that noise? What's that creepy spooky noise that we keep hearing?

And it was we got Stephen set us up with these awesome mic stands. Yeah, they look like what you see like real radio people. Yeah. We don't have to like touch our mics and make noise anymore. But what we did was we touched the mic stand and we were making the springs. Because I can't sit still. Right. Is that super loud?

That's it. It's perfect. Okay. Yeah, that's the sound. Listen, I have ADD I think. Right. At least that's what my psychiatrist tells me. Okay.

I can't fucking sit still. I want to move around. I know. But it's, you know, I'm going to sacrifice that for the podcast. Well, we really appreciate it. Thank you. I'm going to speak for everybody. Thank you.

And myself. You have a button nose. Thank you. And two eyes made out of coal. Let's see. We go. Let's see. I changed our Patreon page and I'm not going to shill or anything, but I'm going to be

posting on the blog in there some hometown murders. Great. That we are not going to read in our minisodes just for whatever reason. So go there and look at them. Okay. I think it's free. You pay money to look at them though. Yeah.

It's not the whole idea of a page. Yeah. You can give us like a dollar a month or whatever the fuck you feel like. We heard tell that we might, um, that our podcasting network might be setting us up with a person who knows about stuff like this. Totally. You don't have to do it by ourselves anymore. Yeah.

And dude, when that comes together. Beautiful. Watch how we take over the inner man. Um, we also had our, we just ended our last T-shirt sales and we, we are giving half the money to end the backlog.org. Nice. How much is that? Do I say?

Cause what if it's like, that's not, what if they're like, well, it's just a one month sale. Right. We're sending two grand to end the backlog.org. That's a lot of money. That's great. That's good. I don't know more than they fucking had before.

I got so freaked out when I posted like, Hey, we're, we're going to give 50% to end the backlog. Cause I expected people, this is the opposite of what happened, but I expected people to be like, only 50% you're being so, you're being so greedy. And then all these people were like, that's so incredible. I'm like, Oh, okay. Like I've just been being hard on myself. Yes.

I think it's just weird to be in this position where you can actually put something out, have people buy it and then actually give money. That's like a neat, cool thing, but also we've never done it before. So everything feels wrong and bad and weird. Well, on the Patreon, I put that people, well, maybe they can, we can have like votes for like the next, what the next shirt design is going to be, or also people can vote on what the next charity that we give money to will be. I wouldn't do that second one.

I mean, I mean, once we pick. And then they can vote off them. Oh, right. It's not like the KKK or anything. Great. That's all I'm looking for is I can't have this, please donate to white supremacist groups anymore. I don't want it.

Yeah. And I can't have it. You've given them so much of your money, Karen already. How dare you. I give them dime after dime so they can buy their robes. Oh man, those robes are not cheap. No. That's all silk.

That's the one place they don't scam. Are they silk? No. Please. I'm just thinking of like, oh, brother, we're art though. Oh, yeah. They seemed really nice. Do you have any other housekeeping?

Housekeeping. Housekeeping. I don't think so. Is there anything else that you love right now? Anything going on in the news? We know Jambane's brother is getting, oh, did you watch? Yes. You and I both looked at each other at the exact same moment we realized.

Watching a lot of trailer. That Jambane doc, doc, you series trailer. We have to watch it together. Yes. I insist you watch it. Can I tell you something? What? We have to recap every night of it.

Is it white power magazine? Yeah. They want to blame it on how much they're going to pay us. I know. Money, I think. Real money. Oh, then yes. That's awesome.

I know. The trailer gave me fricking chills. Okay. We watched the trailer at work today. I love the people I work with because they're super into shit like this too. And when it got to the part trailer spoiler, when it got to the part where they have reconstructed the Ramsey's house, the room by room recreated down to the detail of shit that was like leaning against the walls, life changing.

These people are going, these, these investigators, these, these very qualified people from all walks of criminal forensics, criminality, criminality, they're going to be able to walk through and talk about and restage things that happen. Do you think they'll come to a conclusion? It clearly in the trailer, you can tell that they're going to, they're like, yeah, there was no, this is not an outside job, motherfuckers. I mean, that's what they're leading you to believe. That's true.

But and then like, oh, they're, oh, when they played the, um, when she hung up the phone and you can hear her in the background, I still don't hear it. Do you? Have you listened to that? I mean, when they say like, they reduced all the sound, and they hear her say, I'm not talking to you. Yes. I still don't hear it.

Do you? No, but I feel like that's almost like one of those ghost investigation things where they're like, do you hear it? And then they put the subtitles and you're like, I guess I hear it. If you want me to hear it, I'll hear it, I'll hear whatever you want. My thing was, um, cause everybody at my job, everybody pointed out like the thing that freaked them out or that they liked the most. And mine was that when Patsy Ramsey said, I love that child.

She did it with her eyes closed. That was the creepiest part is both of them being, both of them speaking was so fucking eerie. Yeah. And two camera, like basically clearly some lawyer said, you have to go out there and tell these people you didn't kill your daughter and you have to make a statement. And when Patsy Ramsey said, I didn't kill my daughter. And then she closes her eyes and goes, I love that child.

And then they stay closed. Like to me that I just love those, like that means something. I don't know what it means. Also saying that child means something because it's like, she's not saying my daughter John Bonet. Yeah. It's like not child. Yeah.

She's like that child. She can't take, take ownership of the thing. Remember, did you ever watch the show lie to me with Tim Roth where it was all about the person that read micro expressions and it was like a whole company? No. Oh, I know someone who worked on it that I dated. So I didn't watch it. Oh yeah.

Cause you're mad. No, he was very nice. I don't want to step on his toe. I just love that show because that's kind of stuff of like being able to interpret what people are really doing underneath how they mask. When they point it out and they're like, would they like pause it and be like this thing right here? And that thing.

Oh, I love that. Yeah. Yeah. You should watch that show. It's pretty good. I don't know if it's on anything, but. Okay. Well, um, did you catch up on the night of we've only got one episode left.

I gotta say you're out. Everyone telling me about stuff about it and talking to other people about it has made me want to watch it less. You're so fucking punk rock, Georgia. I swear to God, you're just like, I didn't mean right now. No, I mean it in that way of like, you're just like, you know, I don't have to like it if you like it. It's a good way to be.

I respect it, but I think that's how I think that's what it is where you're like, does everybody like it? Then everybody can fuck. Well, whatever one's telling me about it. Thank you. That actually means a lot to me. Um, but whatever one's telling me about it is like, I don't care about the prison stuff. I want the trial stuff and from what it was, someone said to me, someone was like, and

I'm not going to take responsibility, but I don't remember who said it was like, listen, I watched Georgia as a new black. I don't need to know what's going on in prison. Like, so did I. Totally the same. It's totally the same. I just like, I don't, I want to know the, the, the way that they find out how the investigation goes, how the trial goes, stuff in prison.

I don't care about. Right. I, you know what? Because I find, and this is, you're going to, this is going to blow your mind. I find prison to be really depressing. So I don't want to know. It's wrong. I fear going there.

Who hurt you as a child? I don't. A prisoner. It was like a warden. Um, yeah, I don't like, I know it's living hell and there are many, many people in this country that are there and that's awful to me. Especially people are there that like, it was really hard for me to watch him get taken in to get out.

Yes. You know what I'm obsessed in? Yeah. Cause it's like, no one gives a shit about you and like immediately or just trash. Yeah. Like the way, you know, when you wait and line it up post office and you get to the next teller and you can tell they've had a hard day and they fucking hate everything. So you can smile and be like, hi, and they can be nice.

And so they'll give you a better experience and be happier. Yeah. Like you can't do that in prison. What am I supposed to do? I didn't learn to be polite for nothing. It's like, I mean, and it is like, we talk a lot, we talk a big game about like, send them away for it cause we talk about these specific stories where people cut off 15 year old girls arms and leave them to die and these horrible cases.

And of course you want Larry singleton to disappear from the planet, but the reality of a human being in a prison is a nightmare and like, and so I'm not saying I'm not a hypocrite or that I can't rectify those two things, but it's yeah, watching it. But I love it that in that show is that they're laying in. It's just really good writing and I really like to watch good writing. It may, it makes me feel smart. And again, I'll say it for the millionth time, Riz Ahmed, I don't. Someone made a, made a, I want his DNA inside me.

A couple of people made a, someone made a Valentine last, last week I said, your serial killer Valentine. Yeah. Yeah. I said, I want his DNA inside me, meaning I want to have this baby cause he's so cute that I want like that, but it just didn't sound like that. No, it's literally the most not cute kind of disgusting thing, but that's not what you meant.

Okay. You know what I don't like about? I don't like innocent people in prison that I, people like Larry singleton deserve to be in prison. Good. Have a fucking horrible time, but it's innocent people. Oh my God. That terrifies me.

It's horrible and it happens and we all know it happens and it's incredibly stressful. Yeah. All right. But I like it. It's to me, it's worth the stress and there's things that are happening and are exciting. I won't not try it. It does disappoint me. I mean, I don't know what happened.

Maybe I'll watch the last episode. Is that okay? Can I do that? Yeah. It's your life. Jump in, jump out. I don't know. Yeah.

Can they please bring the family back on ABC? That's all I asked. Is that all you want? This Christmas? That's all I want for Hanukkah Christmas. All right. I think that's it. Right?

That's gotta be it. You want to take these or anything? You need something? I got nothing. Yeah. Is this, are we now 45 minutes in? Basically. I'm first this week.

Yeah. Tell me. I think I am. Mine is short too. So take your time. Okay. Mine is, I wish I had four months to research this because the first time I heard of this murder, I thought, oh, who cares?

Not about the people, but that's not my style. Yeah. I get that. Like as we've said a million times, but like silence of the lambs is my ideal murder everything situation, you've got a weird serial killer that's got a, an M.O. and a, and a whole bed and a creepiness. Yeah. And I like has always been this crazy way.

It's not like he's, it's not a one off. It's not a passion. It's not whatever that's, I find that extreme criminal mind thing fascinating. Okay. So when I first heard about this crime, I was like, Oh, that's not, that's not my thing at all. Um, and then, but I kept coming back like you, I would see it every once in a while looking for other stuff.

And then I finally started looking into it and it is so fascinating. All right. So it's the Lulu lemon murder in Bethesda, Maryland. That is fascinating. I didn't know that. I know. That is definitely not one that I would have. Hey, I'm Aresha and I'm Brooke and we're the hosts of wonderies podcast, even the rich

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I think it was like a year ago or something. I was doing Tignaturo's Tignaturo has a comedy festival every year called the Benson Ball in DC, which is where she's from. And so whoever was driving us to the theater that night, we drove down the street and we passed a Lululemon. I don't think it was the one we were driving by because Bethesda, I believe is north of Washington DC, but he brought it up and told the story. Love him.

And he basically just said, Oh, did you hear about that really terrible crime that happened at Lululemon? It was really bad, you know, and it was basically one of the employees killed another one. And so I was just like, you know what, I know now we're talking yoga pants, we're talking karma passion. I'm not interested in any of this. For anyone listening, I don't know Lululemon is a fucking high end kind of when I see girls wearing yoga pants with Lululemon, I'm like, Oh, you spent a lot of money on yoga pants

and didn't buy him a ride aid. Yeah. Like you're better than me. Crazy expensive. Right. And they're almost, it's like Louis Vuitton of yoga pants, which is hilarious paradox of this is yoga. Yeah.

And they have like the like logo out so you can see them. Oh hell yeah. You know what I mean? Yes. Instead of hiding your shame, they put it out there. Right. So when I first Googled this, a couple of Heppington Post articles came up and one that I really liked is by a girl named, believe it or not, Elizabeth Lykoresh.

And great. She wins. Yeah. And she's amazing. She's all red and her skin is twisted. No, no, cancel it. Steven. Delete that.

Delete that. Steven, mark that concept. Oh, okay. So she wrote an article called Lululemon's cult culture, get fit or die trying. So this girl started working at Lululemon. That's how you pronounce it. Right. Lululemon.

Yeah. I don't give a fucking shit. Sounds right. That's how it's spelled. And that's what I assumed. Lululemon. Lululemon. I think it's Lululemon.

But there's an extra, Lululemon would be, there's too many lus. All right. So I think it's Lululemon. Let's call it. Let's not give a shit. Okay. All right. So I think you're right.

I think you're right. It has, this girl worked there. And so she's talking about what a creepy like culture this business has, which is very funny because like when I worked at the Gap in the nineties and I only worked there for a year, I really hated it. But it is this thing where they want you as a person that's getting paid shit and mostly working part-time so they don't have to give you full-time benefits and all that stuff. But they still want you to really dig into this like, yeah, this, um, the culture, the

retail culture of like, and if you sell this, you'll get this and we have to get our numbers up here. Meanwhile, Don Fisher, the owner at the time was making like billions of dollars. Fuck you. I hate that. It's, it's so, I can see where that was in the nineties. It's now, you know, 20 years later and they have refined this concept. So it's like branding and marketing and, you know, lifestyle choices and it's all that

kind of stuff. I bet it's a kind of thing where they don't call you an employee. They call you like the team member or whatever the fuck. The thymaster. So this girl, yeah, this girl worked there and talked about, um, but she said, Lululemon wants you to know it's elevating the world from mediocrity to greatness and creating components for people to live long, healthy and fun lives. But if you dig deeper, you find about, yeah, you can't do that and fucking pants you about

a target. No, no, no, no, no, you have to get really superficial to, to rise above mediocrity. Um, but if you dig deeper, you'll find you'll learn that about landmark forum. Oh, no, they don't. Um, which isn't the ultra secretive, eerily cultish educational series, which Lululemon employees are strongly encouraged to attend. Shut up. Yes.

Now Lou, now I know, I have a friend who did landmark forum and is like, I believe in it. I think it's great. And I said, yeah, but isn't it a crazy pyramid scheme where you basically have to bring people in and you spent thousands of dollars and he goes, yeah, but I just didn't do that. Like I got what I wanted and I left and I'm like, well, you're, you're a strong willed person, but I think it's one of those things that like, it's like S or anything that just, it makes money off of people kind of going, this is the answer to my life and I'm trying

to get everyone they know into it. So, so they encourage their employees to, uh, to go to the landmark forum, which is bizarre to me. So bizarre. Um, and before you're in line for landmark, you're bombarded with Brian Tracy motivational CDs and a book club club that culminates with Atlas shrugged. Oh, shit. Um, so it's not, it's, it's like, get that money and get yours and empowerment.

But in this weird culty way, which also it's like, this is your job. This is your retail job. Yeah. Um, yeah. So, uh, they, uh, she said it, it, all of it made walking into work feel like, um, she was time traveling to Salem because with the Lululemon Creed and catechism comes a collective mentality that thrives on scapegoats and leads you feeling worthless if you subsist on anything but spring water and kale.

Once another employee sneered at me from across the floor, um, and said the soda I happened to be enjoying would rot me from the inside out. Eventually we were all issued reusable acrylic cups and forbidden to drink anything but water. Oh my God. Stop it. So this is, I'm, I'm just trying to paint a little bit of a picture and I really encourage if you're slightly interested in this to look up these articles because it's pretty fascinating how many directions that goes in of, um, yeah, that sounds like a fun read.

Yeah. Well, and just the intensity of a retail job. This is like, it bums me out so much to think that what people expect from you when they're not willing to give you any respect at all or, right. Uh, every bout, and when you work there, everything about you is inventoried and measured in terms of authenticity and integrity, which sounds reasonable until you realize your yoga mats on a sweaty, slippery slope that missing your extra, that's this. I'm still reading the article, uh, missing your extracurricular kickboxing class, taking

too long to pee during your break or falling to throw or failing to throw a kitchen party. And then she says in parentheses, don't ask what, um, in the fitting room means you're deficient in character and devoid of morals. What's a kitchen party? I'm going to ask. We have to find out. Fuck. But it's like, I think it's in, you know, it's secret in-house language.

Yeah. Um, those girls happen to just be older, sportier versions of seriously cutthroat sorority sisters. So that's one person's take about what it felt like to, to work there. Um, so what's kind of, to go along with that, that this company's had a lot of controversy since they started. It's a Canadian company, they opened in, uh, I think, well, in 2002 to mark the opening of their second store in Vancouver, uh, they offered a free outfit to anyone who would

stand naked on the street for 30 seconds. Are you fucking, how about, how about for people who can't afford them and are homeless, you fucking assholes, but like also, so it's a store that's mostly women's clothing and you're basically trying to get ladies to stand around naked. So you give them their hundred and forty dollar yoga pants, like you're asking them to exploit themselves. Yeah. Oh my God.

Um, that same owner, I can't find his name right now. He in an interview with the national post business magazine, which sounds very Canadian to me, but I'm not sure. He said he purposely named it Lulu lemon with lots of L's because quote, it's funny to watch Japanese people try to say it. He also once blogs that breast cancer, quote, came into prominence in the 1990s due to all the cigarette smoking power women who were on the pill and taking on the stress previously left to men in their world.

I am going to Lulu murder you. You piece of shit. His name, sorry, that guy's name, I'm trying to, oh, that guy's name is Chip Wilson and of course, um, later on, I, everybody heard about the, um, uh, they in, I think it was 2011, oh no, sorry, 2013, they had to recall their line of Luan yoga pants because they were see through. I remember that. They were see through.

I've seen girls G strings from behind yoga before. And then that same CEO, uh, uh, when he was interviewed on Bloomberg TV about it, um, he asked, he was asked what the nature of, of the pants recall was. He said quite frankly, some women's bodies just don't work for it. Um, it's more about the rubbing through the thighs, how much pressure there is over a period of time. You fucking dick. So he's basically saying if you're not emaciated, you can't wear our yoga pants and if you do,

it's your fault. Yeah. Yeah. So he's a superstar after he said that, of course, he was asked to step down from being the CEO because it's, you know, at the time it was 2013. So I'm sorry, sir, that it's not 1945 anymore. You can take that shit elsewhere. Um, in 2007, they had a line of clothing called Vitasea, SCA, which the company said was made

from seaweed fiber. Um, and according to the tags, they said it released marine amino acids, minerals and vitamins into the skin upon contact with moisture, did it stink reducing stress and providing anti-inflammatory, antibacterial hydrating and detoxifying benefits. Bullshit. So the New York times, that's exactly right. The New York times commissioned a laboratory test of a shirt made from Vitasea and, um, there was no significant difference in mineral levels between the Vitasea fabric and a plain

cotton t-shirt. In other words, the labs found no evidence of seaweed in the Lula Lemon clothing at all to do that. We're not done. In 2008, a mother and daughter found a hidden message in the shopping bag of the layer of inspirational quotes such as friends are more important than money. Um, there was a second note, uh, that said, quote, some brief or quick fix, fix instance in, whoa, start over, some brief or quick fix incidences when our minds are clear to

be creative or when drunk or stoned or just after an orgasm, what does that mean? Oh, okay. So they're promoting being drunk or stoned or orgasm or having an orgasm. So that you can be creative inside a yoga pants bag. So they had this, it turned out that they had printed this up initially. People saw it and were like, what the fuck are you doing here? Well, the other, the other quotes were the athletes high as the most long lasting as it can last up to six hours.

And there's a little difference between addicts and fanatic athletes. Both are continually searching for a way to remain in a creative state. So it was all this weird. There were very pro drugs and sex and then a couple of people got the bags and were like, what's wrong with you guys? This is a yoga pants store. So they took the bags and just sewed over them with friendship is more important than money.

But all you have to do is wash the bag a couple of times and then the other label came out. Oh, I bet those are worth some money on eBay. It's pretty hilarious. And also creepy, like you're getting these weird messages anyway. Yeah. And they just, the answer back when, when that happened was not an apology. They were basically like, we're about speaking our mind. We're about living in this, having new ideas and new experiences.

And they basically were like, yeah, we do what we want. We're trying to inspire people. So oh my God. So yeah, I have, yeah, go on. Just how you're saying how yeah, but also, but also good for them. But don't shop there. I don't. They can do that.

It's fine. You can do that. Like here's the thing. Yoga is a practice that's about connecting to yourself and connecting, you know, having a body-mind connection so that you are more in yourself and calmer, more normal. It's not about spending money. Yeah. It's not about being better than your sorority sister to get a mantra for transcendental

meditation is fucking three grand. Like how do you, how do they will know that's based on how much money you make. But I mean, I'm not defending it because it's, it costs money. But what I'm saying is this is a store that's creating that culture of you will spend money always and you will spend money on bullshit because we're going to lie straight to your face and say that our clothes are made of detoxifying seaweed. That's crazy. Yeah.

So anyway, that's just a little background. All right. So, so it, the worst thing that happened to them, of course, was in 2011 on the morning of March 12th, an employee entered their store, the Bethesda, Maryland store. And she, she actually went in, um, she heard something inside, I think it said. And so she went and got a guy off the street and said, you have to go in there and check. I'm supposed to open the store and there's weird noises. And the guy walked in to like a bloody scene.

And it turned out that Brittany Norwood and Janna Murray were lying in the store. Janna was dead and Brittany was tied up, hand bound, hands and feet. Janna had a rope around her neck and hammer knife wounds to her head. Holy shit. And she had been repeatedly struck with a metal stand later on. The medical examiner found out she had 330 distinct wounds on her body. Oh my God. How long would that take to hit someone 330 times?

And how much rage? And how personal? That's like 10 minutes of hitting. It's insane overkill. Yeah. So, um, when they, when the cop touched Brittany, she flinched and then she tells the story that the night before they closed the shop and then she'd gone to, um, I'm saying Janna, but I think it's Janna.

Did I say Janna? Yeah. I think it's Janna. So she had gone to Janna and said, I need to go back in. I forgot something. And when they went back in, two masked, um, attackers came like stormed into the store. Whoops. Stormed the store, uh, and with guns and, um, attacked them and Brittany said, rape them

and tied them up and killed Janna and left her for dead. Um, she'd been hit at all or hurt? Yeah. She had injuries too. Okay. And her pants were slid at the crotch. It all looked very bad. So it all looked very bad.

Okay. So, um, sorry, I have to scroll down on my dumb thing. So, uh, of course panic set off because this is apparently a super high end area, uh, like it, cause that's how all those stores are always in like really. So people are freaking out. Like there's no violent crime in that area at all. Um, immediately the cops are, uh, set up a man hunt. Um, there's a hundred and fifty thousand dollar reward for anyone with information leading

to an arrest. It's like big and huge. Um, and they start talking to people around the neighborhood and they talk to these employees at the Apple store, which was right next door. And these employees say that yes, they heard two women arguing and yelling and some weird thumping and fighting noises the night before, but they never called 911. How do you, they didn't get asked that question in court, which of course, because it's like ultimately it's not about them and what they did or didn't do, uh, aside from, I'm sure

they struggle with it because it's hideous, but, um, yeah, they didn't. And then somebody included in one of these articles that I read, it was this really awesome thing about, um, how when you are, when you have a phone or computer or something that distracts you, you are, you are like some percentage I won't make up and I'll just be honest that I don't know it, but like a very high percentage, uh, less likely to get involved with anything happening around you. Wow. So they're in an Apple store.

So it was probably like weird noise, weird noise, go back to playing Yahtzee with friends or whatever on your phone. I don't know if I would like, how would you get involved? It's just so depends on the situation if you can't expect people to be being, you know, getting murdered. No, if you hear a fight, you're not like, I'm going to go make sure no one's getting murdered. No, not at all.

And especially in that area. Yeah. Uh, no, it's a weird thing. I'm sure they had never had any experience like that. No. And that's not, they probably were like, Oh, no, those girls are fighting at the end. That's totally not. It's just unfortunate because even just a call to say, maybe you should just go check.

I think it's that thing of like people aren't willing to just risk being wrong, which is right, which is sad. We're not being able to read a situation correctly. I mean, the way a couple of these articles talked about it, there was like extended thumping and fight sounds and no, yeah, you should have checked that out at one, at one point they heard a woman scream, Oh, please God help me. What the fuck? Okay.

No, you should have fucking gone over there. I guess I buried the lead on that one. I should have brought that up earlier. Oh my God. All right. That's crazy. So even if you're not sure, you roll the dice. Okay.

So, so from that, they realize that these employees only heard two women the entire time. They don't, they don't hear anything about men's voices. They don't hear anything else. So they're suspicious. Also, there's this really awesome statistic I found that I know the exact number for according to the Bureau of the Justice of Statistics, no, no, according to the Bureau of Justice of Statistics.

Only 15% of homicides are committed by someone who doesn't know the victim. 15%. 15%. That's crazy. So in some ways, relax, right? It's very, very, except don't because your fucking family is going to murder you. It's going to be your husband with that milkshake. I wonder if that's the reason why we're so fascinated with stranger murders.

What? The cord? Yeah. I don't think you're, are you hitting it with real life? Okay. I wonder if that's why we're so fascinated about stranger murders is because they're so rare. Yes.

And so they sound like there are a lot more of them, but in actuality, it's not. Yeah. Everyone talks about the ones that happen because they're so crazy and weird. So it seems like they're more likely. That's really interesting. Yeah. So the cops know this. I mean, the cops, the cops, they say that all the time on like 2020 or whatever, where

it's like you always look to the husband, the wife, the friends, the people that they know. So one of the big breaks in the case was that they looked in Janna, Janna's car and Janna's the murder victim. She's the victim. Okay. So they process her car and they find Brittany, Brittany's DNA in the car. And then they asked Brittany, have you ever been in Janna's car?

And she said no. Yeah. Man, I love when they fucking trap someone like that. Or if you had just said yes, right, you would not have been a suspect. But they never do because they were in the car. So they're trying to cover. Yeah. They think that lie is going to get them out.

And yeah, that's, that's the greatest. I love that. So also they realized they had had all the tests processed and Brittany had said that they were both raped by these masked men. But when the tests came back, they, there was no sign of rape. On either. There was no, you know, evidence of it. Yeah.

There was all of the normal things that they find. No penetration. No. On either of them. Okay. And also her wounds were few and superficial. Right. Yeah.

If you're going to hit someone 30, 300 something times and the other person just gets a little yeah, that's crazy about and also because then that's like, there's some crime of passion taking place. Yeah. So there is an intended victim. Yes. Exactly. Okay.

And also then they realized the, for the angles, they start studying the angles of the, of the wounds, clearly self-inflicted and she tied herself up. It was all, they start looking back on it stage. Yeah. Now there were in the blood, there were two shoe prints, Jaina's shoe prints were not in the blood. Jaina's shoe prints were in the blood and a size 14 men's shoe, one set of men's shoes were in the blood.

So not two, like she said. So she grabbed some shoes off the fucking shelf. That's exactly right. Son of a bitch. And walked around through as if a man was walking through. What an idiot that she didn't grab both the fucking, oh, because it's like the display pair. Right.

Oh my God. So. It's like brilliant and so stupid at the same time. Well, it's that thing of like, you are, you can't cover up a murder. You can't. You just can't. You're not as smart as you think you are. You can't.

And also cops have seen it a million times, like they know what they're looking at and what looks weird and what doesn't. So ultimately they basically get her to start talking. And it turns out, six days after the crime actually happened, it was the same night of Jaina's memorial. They arrest Brittany Norwood for first degree murder. And so basically they figure out that that that day, Brittany had been caught shoplifting a pair of yoga pants by Jaina.

And that's what caused that was the inciting incident. Obviously, much more was going on for her to get stabbed over 300 times. And they said she used five different weapons, all found within the store. Oh, my God. Yeah. And there was a blood trail that showed how Jaina tried to escape through the backdoor. And she had 107 defensive wounds. Oh, my God.

So the end they said that that was the most that medical examiner had ever seen on a victim. So this was a crazy and horrible and extended period of time where this murder happened. Now here's the creepiest part to me is Brittany goes clearly just goes fucking berserk snaps. She gets caught. Now she's in that she's out of this system. She has she's the worst of the worst. If you're bad for drinking Diet Coke on the floor, imagine getting caught shoplifting would be like in that culture at that store.

Also I don't think it was probably very easy because Brittany was black. And I don't know what the percentages were of people who were black that worked at lemon. But I bet that was an element in it. Yeah. I'm sure that brought there was something that brought to the table. There was other articles that talked about how she had stalked her boyfriend. I think she had that she was definitely maybe a borderline personality. She had definitely had some issues, whatever.

But this girl viciously and insanely murders her coworker and then lays down in blood for hours and hours until she gets discovered crazy in the same room as a dead body. I mean, that's the creepy level of that. Oh, and also she went and because when she called Jane a back to let her back into the store, Jane was double parked. So she had to go get into her car and she went and parked it down like a couple blocks away. And that's how she got they got that in there.

So essentially she had 10 hours to stage and plan this this crime and and figure it all out. So anyway, she was convicted in an hour. They tried to say that she was insane and they were like, no, sorry, this was insanely premeditated. Yeah. I mean, that's bad phrasing. This was very premeditated and obviously she tried to cover it up.

So she knows. Yes. Oh, yes. Exactly. And I guess, oh, so she was got she got a life sentence and was no possibility of parole. So it turned out that the Lululemon murder was much more fascinating than I could ever imagine. Yeah, I thought she just like went in there and shot her like I didn't even know any of

the details. No, it was grisly as hell. Yeah. And just that the element like the the pressurey sales sorority sister element is fascinating to me. Somebody there's a guy that wrote a book. His name is David Morse and it's called the this is going to be wrong. I want to say it's called the yoga pants murder, but that's not going to be right.

The yoga store murder. There we go. So close. Are there are there crime scene photos? I'm sure there are. But but I want to see them without the body. So I'm not that fucked up. They wanted to show the crime scene photos when they were trying to pick the jury and

they the I think it was when they were trying to pick the jury. I guess that doesn't really make sense. But they were basically trying to introduce these photos and like the defense fought it because they're so awful. Her skull was cracked. Her spine was severed. Oh, I don't want to see that. I mean, it's terrible.

I mean, you know, she was stabbed over 300 times. It's insane. It's horrifying. Oh, shit. Yeah. So there you go. Namaste. Namaste.

Namaste. Namaste, Karen. Namaste, everybody. Should we end on an ohm? Well, ohm. Well, fuck. Ready for mine? Yeah.

Okay. Mine is about the tent girl and the dough network. What? Do you know that? Dough isn't dear? No. No. Dough isn't like Jane Doe.

Oh, oh, oh. Like dough. Dough. A dead body. A female dead body. Oh, my God. I had to. You did it.

Did it. Did it. All right. So on May 17th, 1968, a well digger named Wilbur Riddle was killing time between jobs, picking up glass insulators on a dirt road that's just outside Lexington, Kentucky. So he's scavenging. Sure. He comes across a large green tarpaulin, and that was commonly used by carnival workers

to store the big, like the big top tents in. And inside he finds a new decomposing body of a young woman. She appeared to be in her teens and she had been dead for months. They couldn't figure out her exact cause of death, but it was thought that she'd been knocked out with a blow to the head and then tied up inside the bag to slowly suffocate. And the way they knew this is that her nails were worn down and broken. Oh, no. As if she had been trying to escape.

Nightmare. Yes. Mm-hmm. She couldn't be identified and became known as the tent girl. Sorry. Is 68, you said? Yeah. Okay.

And her grave had a headstone that had that they had put the sketch of the with the police had sketched what she might have looked like. And it said tent girl found May 17th, 1968 on highway US Highway 25 North died about April, like all these weird statistics about her unidentified. So it was a place where local teens would visit to cause trouble and to scare each other. And like on Halloween, you had night, you had to go touch the gravestone and run away and stuff. And so a couple decades later, there's a teenager who moves into town named Todd Matthews.

And he hears about the story of tent girl by a girl who's got a crush on nine months later, he and this girl get married. And it turns out her name is Lori Riddle. Her father was Wilbur Riddle who found tent girl. So Todd Matthews becomes obsessed with the case. And for decades, he's determined to find out the true identity of tent girl. Todd's two siblings had died at birth and it really stuck with him. And so he says that he felt like tent girl had become his sibling until he could find

her real family, which is so sweet. I might cry. So when the internet's created, he like works low income jobs, saves up enough money to buy a computer. And then he trolls chat rooms and search engines and missing personal listings, searching for details that match tent girl. And he creates a website devoted to finding her identity. And this is before any of the like a web sleuthing shit is going on.

Like in his mind, he's just going to email as many people as possible till he finds out who this missing person is. So cut to the night January, 1998. And Todd has been online for hours looking at random stuff when he comes across a classified ad from a woman who's searching for her missing 24 year old sister, Barbara and Hackman Taylor. He Todd sees the three words Lexington 1967 missing and he knows it's her immediately. So in December, 1967, 24 year old Barbara and Hackman was a mother and a waitress. She had married young and then mysteriously disappeared.

And they thought it was a teenager originally when they found the body, but she's actually 24, which is just another reason like why cops like it wouldn't have taken someone amateur to find this person because you're looking for a teenager. You're not going to find someone with totally different statistics. Right. Yeah. You're going to fall into that category for you. So Matthews arranges to have 10 girls body exhumed and in April, 1998 DNA tests prove

that Barbara and Hackman is 10 girl. Wow. I know. The family chooses to have Barbara's remains kept in the original spot with the original headstone. They just added a little stone underneath with her real name, nickname, date of birth, presumed date of death and the inscription living mother, grandmother and sister. I know.

Is she's a grandmother at 24? No. I think she had her baby, her daughter and now she's a grandmother. Got it. Yeah. So, all right. That was really stupid. Sorry.

No, I get it. I love you for it. I totally get it. I thought that Putex Clan net robes were made out of silk earlier when you said it. So we're good. You never know. I don't really. I can't say if they are.

I'm going to go ahead and say absolutely fucking not. Probably not. No. All right. So, he died before 10th girl was identified, but Barbara's husband, George Earl Taylor never filed a missing persons report and he told Barbara's family that she had left him for another man. Yeah.

All right. So, you know how she was fucking found in a tarpaulin, am I saying that right? It was commonly used by carnival workers to store big tents. Guess what George's job was? He was an accountant. Was he an accountant? Was he, did he work at REI? Carnival worker.

Yes. He was a carnival worker. He died of cancer in October, 1987 and I hope he rots and how? Good. Good. Good. Glad. That's what I was thinking about.

Isn't that crazy? There's nothing besides finger prints that could have made it more of a like, here's who done it. Yeah. I mean, did they? Well. Karen, don't question. I won't.

Keep that in mind. Did they tie it back to the carnival he was working at and did he maybe? No. I just meant like at the time when they found her, did they take that tarpulin or whatever it's called, evidence and then go interview some carnival workers? See what local carnival was in town? And then it could that be the third season of True Detective, the story of like the carnies?

Those are my questions. I was just excited that they put that together, but gosh, I wish they had done that before he died of cancer. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. But I mean, you know. Oh, shit. Okay.

Can I do a different story? No. I'm kidding. All right. So, so the ending of this is pretty amazing that Todd Matthews goes on to help create the dough network, which I'm obsessed with. It's an online database containing thousands of profiles for unidentified does Jane and John does and baby does and amateur sleuths try to connect unidentified bodies with missing

people. Amazing. Like people who are like nurses and fucking janitors and all these crazy people who like are doing this for free in their free time, just sit there and try to find matching characteristics to get these people found and get them, you know, like web sleuthing where anyone can do it. Yeah. Enter the information.

They started, they started regulating it because I think that a lot of a lot of police were getting annoyed with all the calls they were getting like, I think it's this person. I think it's that person. So there's like for each, each town or each city, there's, there's like a main person that and it has to go through like a crazy vetting process now. So if you're like, I think this missing person is this unidentified body. They have to like, it has to be checked out by like a bunch of people who have been certified by the dough network to do that.

Um, but yeah, you can kind of just like look for, it's almost like that game where you, what was the memory one where you turn over a face and you turn it back over and you have to remember where the face is. Yeah. It's called memory. Thank you. So he also co-founded NamUs. It's, I think it's supposed to be NamUs, but there's no E the national missing and unidentified

person's system. And another thing they do is they, they, they hire or they people who, who, who are, um, who draw portraits and stuff just for free, like can, we'll take a, a dead body and sketch out what the face would look like or take a missing person and sketch out what their face would look like now and they all do it for free. Wow. It's pretty amazing. Next place where we give money for the t-shirts, I don't know.

We can discuss it. We can. And you can vote on Patreon, maybe with Karen, with Karen is cool with Ku Klux Klan, maybe getting the money. How dare you accuse me of that? She loves it. All right. So as of 2007, I couldn't find any more recent statistics.

There's approximately 40,000 unidentified human remains stowed in back rooms of morgues buried before they're identified and buried in unmarked graves across the country. What's that number? 40,000. Shit. And that's 2007. The National Crime Information Center records nearly 90,000 missing people at any given time.

So 40,000 of those unmarked, unidentified people, you know, their websites list 70 successful identity resolutions that the site has assisted with. Oh, that's nice. 36 had occurred within the first five years and Tent Girl was the first case to be identified by use of the internet. Wow. Isn't that incredible? And then Matthews, he just like was an obsessive compulsive with this case.

And because of that, so many families have been able to find out what happened to their loved ones. And I'm so fascinated with those stories of like she left home one day and, you know, we thought we'd hear from her again and we didn't and we don't know if she's alive or not. Yeah. She might have just fucking moved on and hated our dad and, you know, right. But then they find they're like, you know, by the side of the road, this person with

this crazy tattoo is found and why can't we identify this person? And so they put all this stuff in the, in the thing and that's very cool. Yeah. Tent Girl. There's a photo of her. It looks like a lot like the drawing. Sad, right? Well, yeah, but it's like the tragedy that something good came out of.

It's very cool. And also just nice that idea that like, yeah, that's if you have, it's just so nice for the families, like that, that idea of just not knowing is so torturous. Yeah. And I've kind of been wanting to do, I've been thinking a lot lately about like, what can I, how can I volunteer my time in some way that we're this true crime thing we're doing? And I'm like, you know, do I work for, do I go out volunteer for women's shelter or something

like that? And this is like, I feel like that's what these people are doing is they're like, for no, they're not making any money. They have jobs. They don't need them. They just want to help find their, it's just the really end of these crazy puzzles and piecing these things together and they just do it. Right.

And if you have that specific ability of like, you can draw, you know, what they, a picture of what they last looked like or whatever, it's like everybody pitching in what their specific talent is. Yeah. Yeah, that's very cool. I like that. So maybe I'll, maybe I'll do something like that. And I can't draw, but I can look at tattoos and remember if they were found on dead bodies

or not. Do it. I'm really good at that. I'm remembering. No. Um, yeah. Nice. So that was short one, but I thought it was important.

No, that was cool. I liked that it, like it's good information. Yeah. That's a good one. Totally. Um, do you want to read another hometown? We did a mini so, but should we end with a hometown? Oh yeah.

I was just thinking, uh, hold on really quick. Okay. What were you thinking? I have Guy Branham's hometown model and I'd forgotten. Oh my goodness. It's two minutes. Let's listen to it. Guy Branham.

Are you ready? I love him. This is my friend, a guy, Branham, who is a hilarious standup comedian you may know from Chelsea Lately. You may know him from, he's been in a million things. Uh, and I asked him about his hometown murder from Yuba City, California. Here's what he said. So I'm in Yuba City, California, uh, and there was this guy named Juan Corona who, um, was

a migrant farm worker or he was like the guy who coordinated migrant farm workers for the farmers and he, uh, had this brother who was gay at a Mexican restaurant and like the first thing that happened was there was a dude in a bathroom at the brother's Mexican restaurant and then a dude like came out of nowhere and like macheteed him and it was like a shing. There was a lawsuit about that and then the brother like lost his restaurant and like that was like an isolated thing but then Juan Corona started, it's basically just comes down to he would get migrant farm workers and then he would take them to an orchard and he would basically say, have sex with me.

He like, he would pull out a machete and then he would force them to have sex with him and then he would bury them in a shallow grave and they found like 17 dudes because all of these guys were migrant farm workers, they, most of them were undocumented, like most of the good information, like the people whose names they know are the couple of white dudes that he did it to, um, he mostly just ended up doing it to Mexican guys but they like found, they found a bunch of like butcher receipts and stuff from like that would be from his pockets in the shallow graves and he, Juan Corona insists that it was his gay brother who actually did all of the murdering and then framed him and then fled to Mexico and

one time when I was like about seven, our dog showed up with what my mom insists was a human femur and my grandpa was like, no, that's a cow's femur, um, but my mom was like, we both know what a cow's femur looks like. Oh my God. In the background the entire time my asshole dog Frank is barking. Was that your dog? Yep. Oh what a dick.

Um. That's why I recorded my hot sweaty apartment. Yeah. Isn't that, um, so creepy, like that you would be, that you're so trapped if you were a migrant farm worker undocumented, clearly you can't go to the cops and there is a serial killer targeting you, taking people out into orchards. That's so sad. It's so crazy.

And then I think about those poor families back home who were like, I don't know what happened to them, you know, my brother, but I'm never going to find out. Right. That's exactly right. Sad. It's very sad. Thanks guy. He's a swell person.

I like him. He's the best and boy can he dance. Really? Nice. Well, I guess that's it. Yeah. Thank you for, um, listening. Thank you so much.

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