My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 34 - Thirty Let The Bodies Hit The Four

Episode Date: September 15, 2016

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Okay, I would love that. Just a release. Let's imagine our lower backs, the muscles in our lower backs red slowly turning to blue. Thank you. Slowly fading to blue. Feeling it? Release your sciatic nerve pain. Hi, this is Georgia and my butt is broken, and Karen is trying to fix me.

Hi, I'm Karen. I'm not a trained doctor or professional anyway. I thought maybe if I talked in a certain weird tone of voice, Georgia's butt muscle would unclench. It worked. Are you okay? I feel great. This whiskey might be helping too. But this episode might be a little what we call in my family, hinky, because Georgia has

devastating back pain and has been suffering from it for two days. This is real. This is totally. I've been suffering the back pain forever, and then my sciatic nerve. Listen, it's real interesting. If anyone has cures, please tweet at us. Just explain it to them so that when you cry out and then we have to hit pause, they know what's happening.

I think I have a slipped disc in my back for the past couple months, and it has eventually caused my sciatic nerve to be pinched, and I am in so much pain. At this moment? Right at this moment, no, but it keeps clenching, and then I fucking can't, and I got an MRI today. That's how I let everyone know that it's serious is that I got an MRI today. That's, you don't, you're not just like, I'm sick, you know, like, you know, you put a heating pad on it.

It's like, no, I was in a goddamn machine. Also, I'm sitting on a heating pad. That's right. Just like one of your cats. That's my cat's heating pad. It's very cute. Thank you. Make sure you don't get pinworms.

What's that? You know, like when you're hanging out and share all your stuff with your pets, you start getting, you get worms, like how my cat is sitting on that mechanical pencil with his asshole right now. I put a pencil down and Elvis came over and, and sat on it, asshole first. He didn't even sit. He placed his asshole on it delicately and like a yoga instructor purposefully, yeah, asshole down and then the butt cheeks.

Okay. Is my immune system better or worse for living with cats who put their assholes on everything? I say better, right? Because you're able to withstand now that your body is filled with bugs, you're able to withstand more in the outside world. Now that every inch of my body has basically been assholeed. Listen, I have two shitty dogs that I never clean and I sleep with them every night and every once in a while, I remember to change that pillowcase.

And when I do, I go, what do I have? I'm sure I have fleas in my ears. Have they crawled into my brain? All these things. Our skin would be a lot worse if we were really sick. So I've heard that pretty great skin says the girl who has acne. I also heard that children who grow up around pets or have much better immune systems. So I'm basically just a big child.

Yes. Yeah. I mean, we're just trying to get back some of that youth that we enjoyed so much surrounded by animalia. When your back gets fucked up when you're older, what? I know. You're not that old. I thought I was gonna be young forever.

I think it's, you just have some emotional releases, I think, if you took a sledgehammer to an old car or screamed in certain people's faces, you're welcome to scream at me at any time. I have said I want to open that business where it's just like you go in a like white painted room and there's just like dishes and a sledgehammer and like electronic equipment and you just have five minutes to break shit. I think they do that in Japan, don't they? Oh, I'm sure they do.

I feel like that's something I've seen on the nightly news. Let's start this. Okay. Hi, everybody. Hey. Oh, I meant the business. I don't know the podcast. Hey, but hey, we might as well do both.

Is it housekeeping? Oh, yeah. Hey, this is my favorite murder with Karen and Georgia. Oh, yes. Yes. Did you know that? I hope you knew that. You clicked on it.

Motherfucker. Or maybe your cat's asshole sat on your phone. I guess the first moment of Corrections Corner, because that's why I might as well just always only talk about Corrections Corner. Listen, it turns out Seventh Day Adventists do give gifts and I don't even remember talking about that. I think it's Jehovah's Witnesses that don't. Let's start next week's correction corner.

What if this is a double correction corner? No, it was, let me find her because I just faved it because she was laughing and saying, I am a Seventh Day Adventist, Adventist, we do give gifts. I do know that I, long ago when I worked at the Gap, I worked with a guy who was a Seventh Day Adventist and claimed because of that he didn't have to work Saturdays. So maybe I do have some bitterness deep down. Good thing. Yeah, because I was always staying there on Saturday like, where the fuck is Ramon or

whatever his name. But she really enjoyed that. She wasn't mad or anything or offended. But I guess maybe it's, isn't there one of those religions that just doesn't observe any of the holidays that like, they're just like, we don't do your holidays. Jehovah's Witness. Okay. Do you want me to say it one more time?

I need to believe it. Can you just keep on saying it, but it has to be me accepting it. Jehovah's Witness. Oh, okay. Jehovah's Witness. As like two people who are raised pretty lax in religion, right? Oh, no, no. Like I'm Jewish near Catholic, but not hardcore.

No, we were strictly Catholic. Yeah. My, my, I still remember the day my sister and I told my dad, we didn't feel like going to church. And it was as if we were like, fuck you, mister. Like it was the fight we got into by going, we don't want to go to church today. How old were you? Unbelievable.

Like 18. Oh my God. Yo, yeah. Wow. Serious Catholic, Irish Catholic, old school bullshit. When you go home, do you have to go to church? I, well, I do go to church, like I don't have to anymore because I already went through my pseudo goth mod punk phase where I never, I wasn't able to commit stylized to any of

those things. Sure. But I had the spirit in me. They mesh. They all mesh. Yeah. It's a lot of black tights and bad attitudes. Eyeliner.

But, but now it's fun because like my niece, it's always something for my niece or a family party or whatever. So now I just play along. That's cute. And I, and I also am more spiritual than I was back in those days when I just wanted to kick things with my big black shoes. I'll go to temple. Yeah.

After my bat mitzvah was like, fuck this, I will never go to temple again. Right. But now I'm like, okay, it's like not about believing in God. It's about having a community and, and history and all this spiritual bullshit. I mean, I think it's natural to rebel against the structures of our youth. Right. It feels good. So this has been religion corner with ding dong with religion, religion corner.

Oh, what was the other housekeeping? Oh, so sorry to the seventh day of this is how that started. Uh, oh, also this is episode 34 or as our listener, Daniel at LLFC West suggested we call it. So we will call it 30. Let the bodies hit the four. Yeah. Which is just a fucking great, well done you, Daniel.

That's funny. Well done you. Good job. Also, I have to apologize because I called the band that we were in entertainment weekly with. Remember we were bragging last week that we were in our, so we're bragging, bragging. And this is how I am. I'm like, me, me, me, me, me, and then I'll skim other things and speak on it as if I

know what I'm talking about. Well, so I called the band that we were in entertainment weekly with, I called them Sunlet Youth. Right. The name of the band is local natives and that's their album is Sunlet Youth. The album is called Sunlet Youth. They're local natives. They're an LA native band.

They're also huge. They're huge. We had lots of people telling us the mistake I made and I didn't know it's super embarrassing because it just makes me feel like someone's weird aunt that's trying to hang out at like a teenage party. Well, that's us. That's a description of us or someone's weird aunt who's trying to hang out at a party. God damn it.

It's your exact. It's a lot we have to face during this episode and thanks a lot. Local natives are really making me get in the face of my own, but here's the upside of that. Okay. The band Silver Sun Pickups started following us on Twitter, which must mean, right? You wouldn't follow unless it was an accident. I that happens to be sometimes you just touch a thing and suddenly you're following it.

But there is a chance that the people that belong to the insanely amazing band Silver Sun Pickups listen to this podcast. You got their name from the Silver Sun Liquor Store in Silver Lake right by where we're at right now. That's right. So, yeah, I mean, let's focus on the mistakes I haven't made yet. Indie bands love us. Where you're true.

Where your aunt. Listen, where your aunt, we support you. You got to love your aunt coming and standing at your show with the big purse in our arms cross just actively supporting and then telling you later who she saw in the past like what band I saw Elliot Smith, come on girl. I mean, who haven't I seen? I was there back in the day when Beck walked on stage during that one John Brand show at the old Largo.

I could tell you 50 stories like that. Don't know. I would never do that to you. You already have so much pain. Okay. It's funny how you you're the housekeeping person. Well, it's always my mistakes. No, what's always is that I won't cop to my mistakes or apologize for them.

Badass. I will try to do that more. Mine are so blatant that people are like, hi, I love you, don't be mad, but you completely fucked this up. Yeah. But you know what? That's in the past. She'll listen to episode 33.

Nobody. Oh my God. It's just like so old. It's like so last week. It's so our dumb aunt. Do you have housekeeping? Shirts. Shirts are still an issue.

They're happening. I swear to God. They're happening. They're on the way. They're on the way. On Teespring, you can find the two original designs and you can buy them while I figure out what the fuck to do with these gorgeous new designs that have all the quotes you love and I'm so excited about and can't fucking figure it out, which is why I have lower back

pain and sciatica. If your sciatica and intense chronic pain is due to t-shirts, I'm going to murder you myself because that's dumb. I missed there. I slept through therapy today. It's a good sign. It's a great sign. That's always a good sign.

I mean. Blow off therapy. I forgot therapy and my therapist next year was like, hey, I had you down to her floor. And I was like, I was on, I'm on pills. I do that probably every other week and I have no excuse. You know, I actually had this really amazing therapist recently, not amazing. She and I didn't work out, but I liked her and she said to me, like, I have this thing about being late.

I'm never late and it stresses me out and I like, I get so angry with myself when I'm late and I showed up to my appointment, like not even 10 minutes late. I was like, I'm so sorry. I fucking, I'm a fucking idiot. And she was like, what? Tell me, um, tell me why it's like, what's wrong with being late or like, tell me what you, you couldn't, you should say to yourself about being late. And I was like, oh, like I should, I should say like, it's okay.

No one's above and I kept saying things and she was like, nope. And finally I was like, what do I say? And she was just like, it's okay. That's it. Yeah. It's okay. Yeah. That's all it is.

It is. Okay. Everything's okay. It's not like you don't have to reason with yourself. I miss therapy today. It happens. It's okay. If you have something else going on, like you have to give yourself a break that this

isn't standard time, you have crazy back pain that's keeping you from like getting up to get a glass of water. So yeah, you might be fucking 10 minutes late for something. And even if I'm five, five minutes late because of whatever the fuck reason, it's okay. It's okay. It's like the world, you know, I have to say my dad said this great thing to me one time when I was super crazy, I had just flunked out of college was really felt like, I really felt like the world was like melting around me.

And he goes, and of course I had to like borrow money from him. It was like, I basically felt like the biggest failure. And like I was always going to be that that moment, I was probably 21 or 20. And I was, I was, I just stamped myself permanent loser. Yeah. It defines the, do you think at that age, it's defining, it's a defining moment. Yeah. And thank God at the end of this phone conversation, my eye goes, Hey, listen, really honestly,

in a hundred years, nobody's going to remember this. And then I was like, Oh, and that is the best advice. Yeah. Like live your life knowing that in 100 years, like it's so scary to some people like, Oh, we all died in a hundred years. I won't be remembered. Yeah. But also you won't be remembered.

Yeah. So fucking relax a little bit. Or you will be by your like great grandchildren and they're like, my grandma was a fucking badass. She did this and this and this. And I'm like, can you believe my grandma didn't graduate college? Right. No.

No, not at all. Yeah. My dad texted me that he's listening. Yes. You told me that. Oh my God. Can I read everyone who's not following us in all the places? What the fuck is wrong with you guys?

What he said, he said, started listening to your podcast and wow, your voice is great. The interaction is terrific. Let's talk when you can love dad for further notes. Yeah. Yeah. Right. But he also signed it. Love dad.

Oh, thank you. Oh, then he said, he signed a text. Classic. And then he said, he said, you go girl. Not fucking kidding. Yes. I wanted to call in when you talked about not sitting next to a window to avoid being crushed by an out of control car crashing on top of you and add that I always sit facing

the door at like a restaurant. Yeah. So I can see whoever is coming in to assassinate me or worse. Your dad said that. Yeah. Okay. Now we're getting to the root of some stuff. Anxiety.

Marty's got it. Yeah. And I was like, can you please call and like talk, like leave me a voicemail about how you deal with anxiety or whatever. So I hope he's okay with me reading that. Anyways, so should we. We'll mark this, Javan, for a potential edit that we'll never make. Well, hey, here's the thing though.

There's nothing to be embarrassed about because this is the human condition. Sure. I told you that right when my therapist told me once that our reptilian brains are built to scan for present danger and then review for past mistakes. That's all your brain does constantly. So when you are in that mode of like you are looking around to see if a car is coming or what lunatic is coming in the door, that is how the human brain works. So we survive.

That's how the saber two tiger does need us. That's the reason that that's the reason the heart starts are here and the co-cariffs are here is because our brains did that correctly. So if that means that we have a bunch of anxiety because in this day and age there aren't any wild animals that are about to jump on our backs and it doesn't sync up that much, then yeah, give yourself a break. Yeah, but there are murderers and so we're going to talk about those murderers. After a quick break, we're going to get to our favorite saber two tiger murderers.

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Don't you dare. I don't like it being. We don't. I like it. Never knowing. There was somebody actually. Wait, are we back? Sure.

There was somebody. There was somebody that wrote in that was like, every week you guys don't know who it is. Why don't you just do even odd number system? I know. It made me laugh out loud. I was like, do first of all, without looking, I knew it was a guy. And then secondly, I was just like, first of all, enjoy the charm of not knowing.

Enjoy the fact that what we're doing here is like sussing it out as we go every time. And who wants a number system? Also here's what happened. Wait, are you even? Are you odd? Hold on. What day is it? I'm even.

I thought it was the 24th. Is this number 35? So I'm even. Okay. No, but I thought that meant that if you were even, I go first. Right. There's your number system. Superstar.

That's worse. So Karen. But thanks for the suggestion. Yeah. I'm going to go first this time. I'm pretty certain that's you. Well, because I last week was beating myself up for being such a lazy pants, Marie. Stop it.

I did what some might call, I believe on other murder podcasts, they call heavy hitters. Yeah. I'm this week bringing you the mass murderer, killer, Richard Speck. Hey. Do you know him? Oh, fuck. Hold on. Yeah.

Just shout it right into the microphone when you have pain. Everybody wants to hear it. Are you being mean? No. I mean, like, it's going to be part of it. That's... Okay. Am I excited or am I in extreme pain?

That's going to be the... Well, just say it. Just do what you feel. Okay. But don't be... Don't edit yourself. I don't know a ton about Richard Speck, so I'm really excited about this one. Okay, good.

Which is why I set up and which is why I groaned in pain. Okay. Okay, before I start, my friend, Tim Brady, suggested this to me and he, Tim B, he has been listening. He's a day one listener, a longtime supporter for some caller and he's also one of the cancer survivors I was talking about when we were talking to our friend who was getting through her cancer treatment. Awesome.

But he did that long ago and but I just thought I would cite that as that I wasn't lying. There's real people and he's one of them anyway. This was a suggestion of his and then I told him I was going to say Richard Speck because we're going before the future. But then I just decided I know a lot about him and I've seen, I mean, he's on all of those like the murder specials. I feel like I've seen 25 murder specials about Richard Speck.

Cool. I really love a long introduction. I don't know. I was one. I don't know. I took that long to say that. But anyway, here we go. Richard Speck has on his Wikipedia page, there's a couple pieces of information that are some

of my favorite sentences I've ever read. For example, when he was six years old, his father died of a heart attack and his mother remarried a pig-legged drunk with an extensive criminal record who she met on a train. Say that again. If he remarried a pig-legged drunk with an extensive criminal record who she met on a train. Oh my God. Now, this was long ago enough that there were still pig-leggers around.

I mean, and you meet people on a train. Yeah, and you're, and Annie's, Annie's a drunk. So it's like, this guy seems fun and like he's making the most of life. Do you think you, I have so many questions. Go on. I know. Well, also, so you know if he's a pig-legged drunk that he's probably not going to be the best stepdad in the world.

I mean, when back then was a stepdad a good stepdad? I know. This was really dark days for any kind of a secondary parenting, I think. It's funny how even today you hear of a stepdad and you're like, and then, but then they're like, no, he was like, you have to tell someone that this is your stepdad, but then say like, but he's amazing. He's the good, he's a good kind. Yeah.

Yeah. It actually, it's kind of a dirty word. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, do you have a stepdad? Nope. My mom has, has had a boyfriend for like 10 years who's like the best dude. Great.

My parents divorced when I was a kid and luckily never found anyone else to marry them. So I got lucky. You didn't have, you didn't have to deal with any of that shit. Step kids, step dad, parents. Weird, strange teenagers that now live in your home. No. You're supposed to call them brother and sister. Like they dated, but like it was fine.

And now my mom's boyfriend's like the coolest dude. That's great. Yeah. That's totally a positive phrase and my new stepdad is a nightmare situation. Yeah. That's true. All right. So he, uh, when he was in third grade, they, the whole family moved to Texas and they would

have 10 different addresses in 12 years. Wow. So a peg leg drunk didn't work out so good. He was obviously drunk, very angry, very abusive and also had a bit of a criminal background, was a forger and just an all around Texas superstar. Um, so because of that, Richard, um, started drinking himself in sixth grade and dropped out of school when he was 16. So, uh, dark start early and bad.

Um, so these, I'm just going to try to go through these very quickly. His crimes in Texas are as follows when he was 19, he met a, oh, uh, well, I guess that is when he was 19, he met a 15 year old girl at the state fair and three weeks later she was pregnant. Dude. Technically, technically that's statutory rape, but not, I mean, he was 19 and she was 15. So it's not like he was 30, but when his daughter was born, his wife didn't know that he was

serving a 22 day sentence for disturbing the peace after a drunken melee, a phrase I feel like they only use on Wikipedia. When he was 21, he was arrested for forgery and burglary and sentenced to three years, but paroled after 16 months a week after his parole. He attacked a woman in a parking lot of her apartment building with a 17 inch carving knife. Is that his first like, like attack against a female? Yes.

As far, uh, aside from family, they said that he was very abusive within the family. Yeah. But I don't know if that was just cause the whole family was all fucked up down there once they moved to Texas. But this is his first, uh, like adult assault because it's so weird to go from like, I don't think I don't think a lot of people go from like burglary and that's and like fighting outside of a bar to like attacking a woman alone. Actually burglary is a very common like first, uh, for, and especially for serial killers.

They start in burglary. Yeah. Just to see if they can. It's like invading people's space and then it kind of goes further. But you're right about the drunken, usually you think to somebody that's kind of a drunk is, isn't going to suddenly pull what is over a foot and a half long knife on someone. Jesus. Isn't that kind of a sword?

That's a really fucking long knife. I knew he'd go from knife to sword. Like let's go. Let's get it down. How long is a sword? Three feet? Two feet? You're asking the wrong.

I watch the knife show sometimes, but I'm usually. I've watched it with you. Cutlery corner. Cutlery. Oh, that's a good show. God damn. That's a good show. That man sells.

Yeah. What's that? That's on. What's it called when they sell the TVs? When they sell stuff on the TV. Oh, like QVC stuff? QVC. It's like a, you guys need to watch it.

It's the knife show. It's a knife show that's on oftentimes like, um, it's on at like two in the morning when you come home from like a comedy club, you turn it on and it's like there's a bunch of knives on a revolving thing and there's a guy that's like, it's like he's from the state fair. He's just selling you these knives. Gorgeous show. Just put it on in the background.

So entertaining. Live your life. Just, it's a person who's working from his passion place. Yeah. I just made up that phrase. Knows his shit unlike us. Knows his knives, knows the name of those knives and sells them to you. Anyhow.

Do you know that Matt McCarthy once called and said, um, hey, I'm calling about the knife. Into the show? Mm-hmm. He got on? Yeah. He got on the knife. That's just genius. Okay.

Go on. Sorry. Matt McCarthy from We Watch Wrestling Podcast. All right. Uh, sorry. So she got away, luckily, but he was convicted of aggravated assault given a 16 month sentence. That's, uh, and, um, it was supposed to run concurrently with his parole violation sentence, but due to an error, he was released from prison just six months later on completion

of his parole violation, uh, after, I don't think this kind of stuff happens as much here in modern times as this whole, like, the error. Yeah. This weird paperwork jail error, your name, yeah, and suddenly you're free to go. Yeah. All right. So he gets out of prison. He works for three months as a driver for Patterson meat company.

He has six accidents with the truck before he's fired after failing to show up for work. That's what they fired him for. Yeah. Uh, yeah. So I guess the accidents, he always had a good reason. I mean, I think this guy is a real, he's good at talking, um, he's a bullshitter. He's like, you know, a fast talker. He's not one of them low IQ dudes.

No. He's not one of those. Okay. I don't think no. Okay. Um, he, so in December, 1965 on the recommendation of his mother, he, uh, moved in with a 29 year old woman who is an ex professional wrestler herself and a bartender at his favorite bar, Ginny's lounge.

She sounds like a fucking badass. I would love to see a picture of her right now. I would, I would love it. I want to hang out with her. Uh, she also needed someone to babysit her three children. What? So, so Richard Speck was her. Oh, as you do, you pick the fucking ex con.

Yeah. Instead of hiring a teen girl babysitter, you go ahead and get a guy that hangs out at the bar that you bartend at. What the shit, man. Guys, guys, guys in Texas in the sixties, get your shit together. X-nay on the, if it's day, am I wrong? Okay. So, so, uh, I love my place.

So a month later, his wife files for divorce. The same month, Richard Speck stabbed a man in a knife fight at Ginny's lounge. He was charged with aggravated assault, but his attorney that his mother hired for him got the charge reduced, uh, to disturbing the peace. How hilarious is it stabbing someone is disturbing the peace? You know what it is disturbing. It is disturbing. And I had peace before you did it.

So technically, um, that, that was like a real good lawyer. So he was fined $10 and he was jailed for three days and, oh no, sorry. He was fined $10 and then he was jailed for three days after he failed to pay that fine. Oh my Lord. They're letting him off practically scot-free and he's still going, hey, go fuck yourself. Um, so this, that was the last time he was in police custody in Dallas. So this is kind of an amazing crime. Um, on March 5th, 1966, he buys a 12 year old car and then he, the next night he burglarizes

a grocery store, steals 70 cartons of cigarettes, sells them out of the trunk of the car in the same grocery store's parking lot, then he abandons the car. So the police traced the car back to him and issue a warrant for his arrest, but that arrest would have been his 40 second in Dallas. Are you kidding me? Yeah. This sounds like the plot of raising Arizona. It's, son, I believe you got a panty on your head.

It's the best movie of all time. I love him so much. I love him so much. Okay. So, so his sister drives him to the bus depot and he gets a bus and he takes a bus back to Chicago where he still has family because they're like, you got to get out of town or you're done for 42 arrests. So on March 16th, 1966, he finds out that his wife got remarried two days after divorcing

him. And at the end of that month, he gets detained by the police for threatening a man with a knife in a bar. So Richard Speck, you know, in a sentence, he's all about bars, knives and getting arrested. It's his passion. So this is his fresh start in Chicago, by the way. So on April 3rd, he breaks into the home of a 65-year-old woman in Monmouth, which is where his sister lives and that's why he's in this small town in Illinois.

She comes home at 1 a.m. because she's been babysitting. A right babysitter. This is who you pick. Yes. An old lady babysitter. She walks in the door. There's a man standing in her house. This foot tall white man, as she describes him, who was very polite and spoke very softly

with a southern drawl, who blindfolds her, ties her up, rapes her, ransacks the house and steals the $2.50 that she had earned babysitting that evening. So then on April 9th, a woman named Mary Kay Pierce, who was a 32-year-old bar maid who worked at her brother's tavern in downtown Monmouth, I'm sure I'm pronouncing it wrong, she was last seen leaving that tavern at quarter to one in the morning. She was reported missing on April 13th. Her body was found the same day in an empty hog house behind the tavern and she died from a blow to her abdomen that ruptured her liver.

So Richard Speck frequented that bar and he helped build that hog house. That was one of the jobs he got was a carpentry job. His older brother helped him get when he moved to town. So the Monmouth police briefly questioned him about this woman's death. But when they show up to the Christie Hotel, he loves to stay in these flop houses. That's through the whole story. He has left town. But when they search the room, they find a radio costume jewelry and other items that

the 65-year-old woman had reported missing from her house after her attack. So now they know and then they also find other personal effects that are related to other burglaries in town. So they know this guy has done all of this. Totally. Why did he leave all that shit behind? Because he had to get out of town because he had killed this woman, essentially. And then he was like, high tails it out and then just doesn't care.

So also he's a crazy drunk. So he's not a good plan or probably packer. So he leaves that small town, goes back to Chicago to stay with his other sister, Martha. And Martha had worked as a pediatric nurse before she got married, which is just an interest to me was an interesting note for later for shadowing. That's right. So he goes and he joins the merchant marines. His brother-in-law recommends that he does that.

So it's consistent work. It's kind of like when fuck ups join the army and to get a little something in them. So it's the same idea. Not that all army people are fuck ups. Not in the least. Please don't send us. No, no, no. We support the troops in every way.

However, sometimes. More than most, actually. I mean, really. But no, but this is like, and this is also a thing back in the day, like you join the merchant marines when you're kind of listless and you don't, you know, it's like it. My brother did it and I was the best fucking person ever. So I get it. So I get to talk about it.

So you get credit. Yeah. And not going to hate me now, there's so many ways to make mistakes when you have a podcast and you're just trying to talk and you're just speaking and you just piss everyone off. I really support the marines. I guess I want to. All right. Sorry.

I deviated from the. It's really something people used to do. Did you see Lou and Davis, he was, he was trying to get on a ship. He just, he was like a loser musician. Yeah. It doesn't matter. We're not, we're not bad people. We're really good people.

So he gets, he joins merchant marines. He gets on a ship four days later. He gets appendicitis and he has to get air left to do a hospital. So he stays in the hospital for two weeks after his surgery and he loves the attention he's getting from these nurses. And while he's there, he meets and befriends a 28 year old nurses aide named Judy. So once he's gets better, he goes back onto the ship, but he is a drunk and he's also takes pills.

So there's lots of. Sounds like me right now. Yes. And it's totally you. And he had really bad sciatica. What? Oh my God. It says it right here.

On this ship, he gets drunk. He exposes himself to other crew members. He gets into fist fights again with the knives. He's all over the place with the knives. And then finally he gets drunk and yells at his, at a superior officer. So they put what they call put him ashore, which to me visually is so hilarious of like the boat pulls up and fucking kicks him off. And he gets like stranded in upper Michigan.

Holy shit. They just like boot him off. They're just like, get the fuck out of here. Wow. They later did him so hard. So hard. So he goes and finds that woman, Judy, the nurses aide Judy that he met at the hospital. Judy Judy Judy.

And he ends up staying at her house. She says the entire time he stays with her for like two weeks, she says he's a perfect gentleman showered her with gifts, took her to dinner and was amazing. And at the end of the trip, she lent him 80 bucks so he could take the train back to his sister's house in Chicago. Right. Um, that's the only nice story that you're going to hear about Richard's back. Glad Judy is okay.

Yeah. She did fine. So he's back on July on June 30th by July 11th. He's overstayed his welcome and his sister kicks him out of the house. Um, so he goes down to the maritime hall to get another job on a ship, but, but the, they keep saying he has assignments and then they fall through, which you must have something to do with the fact that he got kicked off a ship already, you know, um, at one point. So he's just kind of wandering around.

He has nowhere to go. He's broke. So his sister, uh, come and her husband come visit him on July 13th. She gives him 25 bucks. They sit in her car and have a conversation. And while they do this, they're sitting outside a townhouse that is also serves as a nurse's student, a student nurse's dormitory. Oh.

Yeah. Oh. Yeah. So basically they have a conversation, which I would imagine would be you got to let me come back cause I've nowhere to go. And the sister's like, fuck no, you're a lunatic. Here's $25 Sia and would not want to be you. Oh no.

Yeah. So see you in with no area. So he takes the money, he gets a room at a flop house called the shipyard in and then he starts day drinking, which we know never goes well. Uh, does it? For them. Maybe not. Yeah.

No. For me. For me, it's just like, it's just a promise of an amazing nap. That's all it is. That's true. For me, when I used to drink, uh, I just knew at some point, if I started drinking like around noon, uh, at some time in the evening, I would be trying to hit someone in the face. That's me though.

See, I'm like noon to three, hard nap to five or six, take a shower, go out again. Get back on that horse or just hang out at home. Yeah. Get some quality TV. Yeah. Um, okay. So what he does instead is he day drinks and he starts following a 53 year old woman from bar to bar who is also day drinking.

Sure. And finally he propositions her at the last place that they're at. He gets her to come back to his room with him, rapes her, steals a black $16 mail order 22 caliber romp pistol has a lot of detail. All of those. Say that again. Blah. I cut and pasted that.

So I didn't realize that they were going to describe this fucking gun to the teeth. Mail order is the problem. This is the good point for me. This is, you know what, I wish I could critis, crit give a critique on every Wikipedia page because there's so much overriding and backwards describing, but I, but I believe the thing that stuck out for me, yes, you were correct about all of that, but that you could just mail order a gun. Oh, yeah.

I mean, I guess there's a knife TV show. So why couldn't it be a fucking got to have our weapons as Americans and by any means possible. Sure. Okay. So after he attacks and really rapes this woman and steals all her shit, he goes needs dinner. So then he goes back to drink at the shipyard in Tavern until 1030 at night.

Then he goes back up to his room and gets dressed entirely in black. Oh no, that can't be anything good. I mean, he's not a goth. He's not a ninja. He's armed with a switchblade and the stolen gun. He walks a mile and a half back to the townhouse where he was having a conversation with his sister and it is it's a dormitory. It's I already said that, but it's functioning as a dormitory for nursing students for South

Chicago Community Hospital. Oh, honey. So he cuts open the screen on a back window. So the screens, man, screens are. Yeah. Troublesome. Yeah. He cuts open the screen, crawls in the window, walks up the stairs and knocks on a bedroom

door. And a woman named Corazon or Cora Amira Amuro opens the door and sees a man standing there holding a gun to her. And he pushes into the room. There's two other women in bed. He gets them out of bed and he gets them to come out of the room at gunpoint and go into a bigger bedroom in the back. And then he they he goes into these other rooms.

He finds women, I'm sure that those they screamed or made some weird noise. He goes basically into each room, collects up all the women that are in this dormitory and puts them all into this back room. And then he, which is to me, I think as I was reading this kind of a crucial point, he turns off the light in the room. Then he lights a cigarette and sits on the floor. He has them sitting in a semi circle and he very again politely and in his quiet southern drawl starts explaining to them how he's not going to hurt them.

He just wants money. He's trying to leave town. He's just going to get a bunch of money from them. And then he he puts out the cigarette, stands up, takes out a switchblade and starts cutting up a sheet and he ties the hands and feet of all these nursing students. And then he picks up the first girl and like to go as if to say, you know, we're going to go get your purse. Like I'm going to you're going to get me your money.

Yeah. And her name was Pamela Wilkening and Pamela fucking spits in his face and says, I can I will be able to pick you out of a lineup. Oh, no. Yeah. God bless her soul. He takes her into the other room and he starts to rape her and two other nursing students who had just come home walk in on them.

So he he pushes Pamela down, he takes the other two into another room and strangles and stabs them and kills them and leaves them in that room. Then he goes back to Pamela, stabs her once in the heart. Oh, honey. Then he goes back to the group of women that are waiting in the room and they have no idea. They have no idea. But you know, they're hearing noises. Totally.

And it's that thing where I honestly think that because a lot of people talk about that, why would these there was ultimately there were eight nursing students sitting in a circle. But first of all, he had a gun on them. And it's that thing of like, I won't I don't want to hurt you. I just need money. So everyone's thinking and they're nursing students. So they know psychologically, you want to be complicit, you want to go along, keep them calm.

Yeah. Clearly, he's probably drunk. He was probably very overtly drunk and he was on speed. So they were probably just trying to keep everything like doing what he wanted, trusting that he was doing what he said, which of course he wasn't. So he goes back in and he just keeps taking them out one by one. And at one point, Cora, the one who opened the door first, gets out of her out of her ties and rolls under a bed and just stays in there.

And then as he's taking them out, they're hearing noises and they all like they don't know what to do. They're staying really quiet. And then and she describes all of this later on. Yeah. Basically, it's the second to last woman he rapes in the room. So she sees and hears it and then he kills her and she is just pressed up under a bed against the wall praying.

Yeah. So all in all, he killed eight women that night, Pamela Wilkening, who was 20, Patricia Matuzek, who was 20, Nina Joe Smalley, who was 24, Suzanne Ferris, who was 21, Mary Anne Jordan, who was 20, Merlita Gargolo, who was 22, Valentina Passion, who was 23, and Gloria Davy, who was 22. And then he walks out the front door, he throws his knife into the Calumet River and he goes home and goes to bed thinking that he has committed the perfect crime because he killed all of the women.

But he didn't because Cora was still under the bed. She waited until six in the morning and then she opened the window and started crawling out the window, screaming, they're dead, all of my friends are dead. Oh my God. There's a woman across the street who was doing laundry in her house and here's what she thought. She thought a baby was crying and she opens her front window and sees Cora out the back window just screaming out the window.

So she goes over there, then she wakes up like the house mother for all that, the dormitories. And this fucking house mother walked through the house, seeing every, every room there is a different dead body. I mean, it was, it was a disaster. When the police finally came, the policemen who was first on the scene had only been on the force for 18 months. So he walked through and he was, when he came back out of the house, this is actually kind of fascinating.

Back then they had reporters who would listen to the police radios and they would just drive around and like, you know, there was a house caught on fire or whatever. So this guy that was the reporter that heard this call was there probably five minutes after this first cop. And when he got there, he said the guy had his hat on backwards. His shirt was out of his untucked. He was walking in circles. He was completely in shock.

And the guy said, what's going on? And he said, they're all dead. And they said, go look. And so this reporter walked into the scene. And so he actually talked about it where he said there was so much blood in the hallway that it can't as you walk through the hallway because it was coming out of the rooms. Oh my God. That you stepped down and it would come up over the sole of your shoe and to the top

of your shoe. And they were in every single room. It was so when the, when the rest of the cops finally appear, they're, you know, there, there are some cops outside and their cops would walk into the house and then come out and throw up. And then the other cops that hadn't gone in yet were giving them shit like, oh, yeah, you know, maybe you've been on the force too long. Then they'd go up and they'd come out and throw up and every single cop that arrived

on the scene vomited. You think one would be like, I'm going to stay out of there where they have to go in. Right. That's the fucking job. So that's what a nightmarish insane. And also this was 66. This was before Manson. This was before anything.

There was no free killings back then or not really, or like the ones that they had had like the in cold blood one where it's like a family, but they were in those beds and it was gunshot wounds. This was like a knife and strangulation and just extreme. So they, but there are fingerprints all over the scene. So and the FBI comes in immediately. So they get, they find out that it's Richard Speck like within within three days of the attack, they have his picture.

They also have the picture that the court described him to the cops. And that those two pictures run in the newspaper alongside the information that he has a tattoo on his forearm that says born to raise hell. Can you imagine seeing like your sibling? Oh, yeah. And laying like knowing it's him and that he did this, this thing that is beyond monstrous like beyond. So when, when Speck realizes his pictures in the paper, he can't go anywhere.

He can't, he's in this flop house and he doesn't know what to do. So he commits, tries to commit suicide. He attempts suicide, drinks a bottle of old wine, breaks the bottle and then slashes his wrists. But then at the 11th hour calls downstairs and says, call an ambulance because I'm dying. And so they take him to the, let's see, they take him to Cook County Hospital. And Dr. Leroy Smith, who was a 25 year old surgical student had read, had just read the newspaper.

He saw the born to raise hell tattoo detail. And when he walked up on the suicide case, sees that tattoo and says, or I think he just immediately called the cops. But then later when Richard Speck asked for water, he said, did you give any of those nurses water and just walked away? So, but then the cops were actually very careful. They like stayed around him the whole time because they knew this was the situation where like he could get killed before he ever gets tried because this is, he is such like for

three days, this Chicago was in total terror. So also there were concerns because there was a recent Miranda case that vacated a conviction actually for a number of criminals, vacated a bunch of convictions. So they didn't even question him for three weeks because they had, they needed to make sure everything was like going to go exactly how it was supposed to go for the case. Yeah. So when they finally do bring him to trial, they have to move it to Peoria, which is three miles away from Chicago, because they know there's no way they can get him a fair trial

in Chicago. And there's a gag order on the press, which they used to do. I don't know why they don't do that anymore. Oh, right, where like you just can't publish anything, there's no reporters allowed and they'd let the whole thing proceed as it would naturally imagine, which would make sense because like once they're caught and going to trial, you don't need to know anything. It just tells us what happened. Yeah.

Yeah. At the end. Yeah. It's not the world we live in though. So the beautiful part is they were so worried about Cora because of what you know, this horrible thing she went through. And now she has to face him in court and they were really worried that she wasn't going to be able to do it.

Not only did she fucking do it when they said, can you identify the killer? Is he in this room? She stood up from the witness box, walked over to Richard Speck, pointed into his face and they said she almost touched his face and said, this is the man. Holy shit. And they, I just gave myself chills and they, I love that so much. Yeah. Because it must have been the fucking scariest thing in the world.

Totally. And she practically flicked his cheek and that's amazing. They said because of that eye witness account, the jury deliberated for 49 minutes before they came back with a death penalty. Wow. So on June 5th, Judge Herbert J. Passion sentenced Speck to die in the elector chair. But they, Illinois had to reverse his death penalty because they said that they unconstitutionally excluded potential jury members when they were trying to find the jury.

So instead, the judge that was forced to get, to vacate the death penalty gave him 1,200 years in prison. So every time he came up for parole after in all the years he was in prison, he was denied within 10 minutes. Good. I can't believe he even got a chance to plead his case for parole. I mean, I think the thing at the end of the day, because they, you know, they did, they examined him, you know, for like, was he insane?

Yeah. Did he not know what he was doing? Was he incompetent or whatever? And there was a psychologist or they did an examination of his brain and they did see that the hippocampus, which involves memory and the amygdala, which deals with rage and strong emotions encroached upon each other. And the boundaries of the two were blurred and a neurologist who examined those the photos of those tissue samples, because the real tissue samples were sent to a Boston neurologist

for further study and were lost or stolen, of course, but a neurologist who examined photos of the tissue samples, along with the results of an EEG said, I've never heard of this type of abnormality in the history of neurology. Weird. So any abnormality that has exception, that exceptional has got to have an exceptional consequence. So he's, it's all that combined with the, you know, the perfect storm of the horrible father of childhood abuse.

And he also was diagnosed with organic brain syndrome because of the hit his head as a kid. That's right. He fell from a tree at White Rock Lake when he was an adolescent and he suffered cerebral injuries. Son of a bitch. It's there again. Isn't that the weirdest thing in the world?

Yeah. But anyway, also, I would just like to say he took Reds, I think is what they called them at the time, which was basically speed. And he would take like handfuls of them at a time. And as a person who took Fen Fen in the nineties, I would just like to say I would take two a day and I was a monster. I was a lunatic on those pills for like two years. The fact that he like abused that kind, like amphetamines, he must have been.

I mean, so he's already crazy monster. He's already a monster. And then he's on pills that make you even more of a monster. So just to kind of like, you know, to somehow connect with what happened in that dormitory because yeah, it was like living hell. Yeah. And that's what drugs do to you. Fuck.

I mean, not to be your mom about it. Be my be my aunt. Look, the weird aunt is here in every way. Don't do what I do, kids. Here's the thing that everybody talks about about Richard Speck, though, aside from that terrible killing and being this like low mass murderer. There's a very famous video that got sent to Bill Curtis, our man, Bill Curtis, that someone an anonymous attorney sent it to Bill Curtis in 1988.

And someone inside the sorry, the jail where he was. I don't know if it's Cook County or if it was in a different jail, but someone they made a video of what the what it was like to be a prisoner in this jail. And this is the video where where Richard Speck is in women's underwear and no shirt and he has small bra, women's breasts because he was taking hormones to transition while he was in jail. He was able to smuggle hormones in. So he had basically had like kind of like very perky, B cup breasts.

I've never seen this. It's so disturbing. He's just and he sits there with no shirt on with his little boobs in women's underwear talking about these murders. And it is. Hey, well, he he's he's clearly trying to be the big man. Yeah. Because there's another prisoner sitting next to him.

So he's just talking about how strong you have to be to strangle somebody. And then it's not like you see it on TV. It takes a long time. Oh, my God. And he talks about how the one of the women that he killed was flirting with him. That's crazy shit. Holy shit. When you see it, you're like, yeah, it's so they showed it.

The Illinois legislature packed an auditorium and they showed it. What? And they ended up turning it off when it came to the part where Richard Speck started filleting the prisoner that he was sitting next to. What in the actual fuck? And it was basically they some I read somewhere that it said that they did it because they wanted to bring the death penalty back. They were mad that Illinois got rid of the death penalty and they were it was basically

trying to say, this is what's happening. They're just sitting in prison, you know, having this great time. And that was one of the quotes Richard Speck said, if they knew how much fun I was having in there in here, they they set me free. Oh my God, dude, but too bad for you because Richard Speck died of a heart attack in prison. Good. I'd say no one claimed the body, but he was cremated and his ashes were sprinkled somewhere. So somebody must have done something or they sprinkled.

They didn't say somewhere near Joliet. Fuck. And that is the super bummer story of Richard Speck. What a piece of shit. Yeah. Yeah. But then you go, what if his dad didn't die and he just got to stay in his hometown and have that life sliding doors?

Or what if his step down was just like a peg like happy drunk, who was like, cool, chill. What if he was like the best? What if he's like an ex pirate who was just like, I love this fucking parrot on my shoulder and I love life? What if instead of step down, it was just his mom's boyfriend and he was cool? It was just his mom's peg like boyfriend. It was chill. Listen, you don't have to marry every fucking dude you meet.

That's right, mom. You should probably marry very few of them. Most of them you shouldn't marry. At most four. Most four. Over your lifetime. Yeah. To six.

Yeah. And like that's if you're going to live to be like 93 or four. Which I do not plan on doing. I'll do it if I'm like good. You got your little house code on. Yeah. My grandma played cards and stuff. That's right.

And the touchers are in late 90s. Yeah. House codes. You know, like I already act like a fucking 95 year old. You're sitting on a heating pad right now. I was sciatic nerping. My favorite murder. We're about to give a big old high five to Australia.

Oh. By talking about the deadliest mass shooting in Australian history, the Port Arthur massacre. Fuck. Here we go. So it was early 1987. Martin Bryant, 19 year old dude IQ of 66. Yeah. That face you're making is correct.

Meets a 54 year old woman. She's a Harris to a lottery fortune. I'm sure. I don't know. Did you call her a Harris? Did I call her a Harris? I'm on pain pills. Harris.

I'm an Harris. I was like, she's one of the Harris's? What the fuck are you talking about? No. No. We cannot. You guys so much pain right now. Use the pain.

I'm in so much pain. She's a Harris. Sorry. Sorry. No, you're I'm glad you pointed that out. Otherwise, you'll be like, what the fuck? All right. 54 year old Helen Mary Elizabeth Harvey is an heiress to a lottery fortune.

Well, sorry if you win the lottery. Like I don't know if this means so. So can you call yourself a Harris? Well, I don't know if she's a Harris. It's the share in the tatter solves lottery fortune, so they could be like the head of a lottery. Got it. I don't know.

Australia is different than here. Yes. If you started the lottery, you're the richest one of all. Dude. Okay. Yeah. Got it. Got it.

So. So he's a lawnmower and he meets her while he's looking for for more customers and they befriend each other. He becomes a regular visitor to her. All right. You ready for some fucking gray gardens action? Hello. Yes.

Yeah. New town mansion and assist with tasks such as feeding their 14 dogs that are living inside the house. Yes, like me. And the 40 cats living inside her garage. Oh, Karen, you and I need to move there immediately. All of our cat and dog dreams can come true. And we have a hot, stupid 19 year old fucking doing shit for us.

Just mowing that lawn. Yeah. That's some gray gardens shit. I mean, first of all, the level of dog and cat fighting if you had 16 dogs and 40 cats. What the fuck? Cats win. I would just be walking around all day going, stop it, that's it, it's smoking. But you know, they're like, hey, nice to your sister.

But you're to do it with an Australian accent. I won't even. I can't. I just can't. I don't want to piss off a bunch of more Australians after incorrectly saying that one of their murders was from or one of New Zealand's murders was New Zealand. They're the ones that got pissed. That's true.

And they're the ones you don't fuck with. Yeah. Lord of the Rings. Okay, go ahead. Harris. Anyways. Harris. I like Harris.

Harris. So in June of 1990, the family or the house just finally reported to the health authorities and medics found that Mary and her mom were in need of urgent hospital treatment. The 79 year old mother, Hilva, died several weeks later, a cleanup order was placed and Martin's father was like, going to try to help clean everything up because he's like taking care of his stupid son all the time. So should you be saying that? Well, he is a mass murderer.

I don't think anyone cares. That's okay. Okay. No, you're right. I shouldn't be saying that. I don't know. I'm so scared of correction corner. I mean, you're correct.

You're correct. My correction corner just keeps getting bigger. You come correct. Let me help you. That's right. Let's come correct. Yeah. So Mary invites Martin to live with her in this mansion and they start spending huge

amounts of money. They purchase more than 30 new cars in less than three years. What? I know. This is the Harris. The Harris. And her lawn mower. The Harris and her hot, I don't know if he's hot, her fucking new boyfriend.

Got it. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I don't think it's explicitly says, but I think it's like part of it. If they're not boning. There's some like relationship. Okay.

Got it. So, uh, so Martin is, is reassessed for his pension and a note attached to his paperwork says at the time father protects him from any occasion, which might upset him as he continually threatens violence. Martin tells me he would like to go around shooting people. It would be unsafe to allow Martin out of his parents control. That's why I said that to take care of a stupid son. Right.

I got it. Not because I'm a terrible person. Right. So in 91, um, Mary and Martin moved into a 72 acre firm and the neighbors said he always carried an air gun and often fired at tourists as they stopped to buy apples at a stall on the highway. And he would roam around the property, find the gun at dogs when they barked at him, which is probably always because he was a piece of shit.

Also when you fire guns, it makes dogs bark. So it's kind of a self perpetuating situation. There you go. Dog expert. Uh, gun finally got a dog expert, but it was an air. That was, he was firing an air gun. So he was just, he was just going to the motions. Okay.

So then on October 20th, 1992, Mary, his Harris was killed on a car wreck when her car veered onto the wrong side of the road and hit an oncoming car directly. And Martin was inside the car at the time of the accident and was hospitalized, but he was investigated by police because he had a habit of lunging for the steering wheel. And she had already had three accidents as a result of him doing this. Hold on. Yeah. Then what, after the first time, aren't you like you don't get to come into the car anymore?

She was an old Harris and like she needed company. Shit. Yeah. My brother, if he's in the car with me and I'm driving, he fucks with me. I mean, he doesn't want to the steering wheel, but he fucking won't stop turning the fucking windshield wipers on every five fucking minutes when we're stopped at a stoplight. He pulls the emergency brake every fucking time, just to fuck with me. That reminds me of my cousin, Stevie, when he finally got his license.

I was like 10 and he was 16 and he would drive me home from school. And then as he was driving down the road, he'd go dead body and just fall over. And I would have to jump over and start steering from the passenger seat. So dangerous. He did shit like that constantly. Can I out Marty, my dad, real quick when we used to fucking, he used to drive us up to Lake Arrowhead where he lived for a while, like these dark, windy roads. And we'd say, dad, how would I drive?

And he'd go, Georgia would drive like this. And then he'd leave me all over the fucking road and leave. How would I drive, dad, leave a drive like this? Dark fucking mountain, like no guardrail over Georgia would drive. I think it was just a shut the fuck, like she shut us up. Yes. It's boring. It's boring.

Yeah. I mean, it's boring to hang out with little kids. It's a bore. Man, we almost died so many times. God, that's so hilarious. I remember one time being so small that I could stand up in the back seat of my dad's VW bow. I could stand behind the driver's on this on the seat.

I was standing on the floor of the car. I was as tall as the seat. So I was probably five. And I thought it was really funny. I reached up and just covered my dad's eyes. And his reaction was to start laughing, but he was like, knock it off, knock it off. And he would pull up my hands. And then that was like the game on that car trip.

So I would do it. And then the next time it was like a little crazy monkey where I wouldn't take my hands off like he couldn't peel. And he was like, God, Jesus Christ, I'm done. So you have to let go. I can't see. Now I'm just having all these recovered memories of because we lived out in the country, too. So you had a lot longer before something bad was going to happen when stuff like that was

going on. How are we alive? I don't know. Maybe we're not. You know what? Maybe this is a Jacob Slatter situation that's not nightmare. That's just like going pretty well. It's pretty fun.

You guys. I like it. That's why we're number one is because it's just not real. There's like no way in real life. A massive hallucination. And then we're about to get dropped into the bowels of hell. Chris Hardwick is like, why would you think that this would be real, that you would be bigger than me?

Oh, please. No one's bigger than Chris Hardwick. My head hurts. Okay. And back. What? And back. And my butt.

So. Okay. He was the sole beneficiary of her will and came into, yes, but $550,000, not much money. Well, I guess, you know. After taxes. Yeah. And he didn't know shit about money. His mother applied and was granted guardianship of the money.

So his assets were under the management of public trustees because he had diminished intellectual capacity. I see. You know what I'm saying? Yes. So after her death, Martin's father Maurice looked after the farm that they had fucking lived on with all the animals. And he returned home after the hospital as a convalesce.

Let's see. His father had been prescribed antidepressants and two months later on August 14th, a visitor looking for the father Maurice found a note saying, call the police, pin to the door and found several, several thousand dollars in his car. There was no criminal intent suspected. Let's see. They searched the property without success. The divers were called to search the four dams on the property and on August 16th, his

body was found in the dam closest to the farmhouse with one of Martin's diving weight belts around his neck. Police described the death as unnatural and that the death was ruled a suicide. And Martin, Martin inherited his father's money as well. Sorry. They. Okay. No, no.

Just they ruled it unnatural. I think meaning he had committed suicide. No. Okay. Okay. Dang. Okay. Yeah.

So like he didn't fall in on accident. I got it. Okay. So Martin comes, becomes super weird. He. So now he's by himself. Yeah. I think his mom, his mom like can't keep custody of him.

So he's living on this place. He becomes super weird. He starts where he starts instead of dressing normally wears gray linen suit, crap, cravat. I don't know if it is. That's a French for a tie. Thank you. Linen skin shoes and a Panama hat while carrying a briefcase during the day telling anyone who listened that he had a well paying career.

So he's playing successful adults. Yeah. Yeah. Got it. And he got super lonely. He starts visiting various overseas countries more than 14 times in two years. Oh. He's basically living the life all of us want without the murder part.

Right. I don't just like enjoy it dude. Yeah. He hates all the destinations he goes to, but he enjoys the flights as he could speak to the people sitting next to him who had no choice but to listen and be polite. Okay. Yeah. This is when you stop having any.

There's no empty left. Yeah. But also, I mean that alone is nightmarish enough. A person who intentionally flies to talk to you. I've gotten really lucky in my travels that I haven't, everyone I sit next to is like by nope. Yes. You know.

Same here. But I also. I think we can send off a signal of absolutely not. So when I take, obviously take a pill, put a scarf around my entire face and head and start snoring with a neck pillow. I would be the girl. I'd be like, Hey, have you seen Stranger Things? Where'd you get that scarf?

You know what? Can I ask you four quick questions before you nod off? But do you ever sit in front of the people who are like having the best conversation and you want both to die? There's nothing I hate more because it's a bitterness. Yeah. In me. But it's also that kind of thing of like, you're, this is performative.

You are, you are having a conversation sure, but you're loving the fact that other people can hear you having this conversation. And you're also like, can you be a little more, what's the word, like gone, gone in your life that you don't need to speak to strangers all the time? Oh, yeah. And like the nicest people I know in the world meet people on the plane next to them and end up like in long term friendships with them and helping it. Like they're really good people.

What? I know. Name names right now so that I never talk to them again. Fuck that. I just can't do it. It's, it's not necessary. Yeah. That's like just trying to talk to everybody you see on the street.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if some magical meet cute thing happens where like, oh my God, you're, you're reading the book I wrote or whatever. That's fine. Yeah. That's fine. But I mean, come on, unless you have been in solitary confinement for 20 years, leave

people alone. Yeah. I don't want to, I don't want to talk to you. That's wrong. What? Well, he does that. So we hate him. Yeah.

I mean, well, if it's a guy in a gray linen suit who has like, who likes guns, no. And he's probably in first class. Oh yeah. Well, he didn't have that much money. I mean, $550,000 isn't going to last you. No. 14 countries. Also.

Yeah. Cause that right there is what? If first class is a thousand bucks first class, I love first class too. Whatever happens. Yeah. If we ever do tours, let's have that be on our thing, we'll only do it for first class. And then you and I can be the most obnoxious people in first class. Here's the thing.

If now everything I just said, only a place to coach. If I'm in first class, I'm like, hi. Yeah. How'd you get up here? Where are you from? Yeah. What's your middle name? I'll fucking talk to you all dig day long.

Did you get into my pills? I am, I am totally stealing your pill feelings. I'm feeling it. Do you? How's my hair right now? I actually like it. Everyone, everyone and I look fucking insane. Let's take a quick pic.

Oh no. It'll be fun. Okay. Um, I'm so tired. Okay. So. Take one. Yeah.

And I'm going to post it right now. I don't give a fuck too. I don't give a shit about dick. Correction corner. That photo is not what I look like. I don't give a shit about dick. Things are breaking down. I know.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I just realized who I meant to talk to you about two things. The show Tallulah on Netflix. Oh right. The movie? The movie Tallulah on Netflix. Yes.

And also that they're making a Jim Jones movie. What? Who? Yeah, I don't. Let's talk about it next time. What? Corrections corner. This is opening.

This is opening shit. Not me talking about. All right. Day of the shooting. He's getting drunk. All of Australia is on fire with rage to us right now. Shut up. Fucking dumbass.

He's getting shitfaced all the time. He's drinking a lot of booze. Oh, I wanted to tell you that he drinks half a bottle of Sambuca and a bottle of Irish, Bailey's Irish cream. Ooh. Everyday supplemented with port wine. What? That is all.

You when I'm 23? Does he also smoke cloves? That is all just the sweetest. That's man. No, that's like saying you want just drink a milkshake. That's the equivalent of hitting your head as a kid. Really? You know what I mean?

Wait, Sambuca and Bailey's. Sambuca, Bailey's and port wine, which is just sweet dessert wine. Oh. It's disgusting. That's like drinking barf. Yeah. He's drinking with like a sorority girl drinks her first hand drinking. Yeah.

And her second. All right. Day of the shooting. Sorry. Here we go. I'm posing his picture right now. Okay. There are poor, poor David and Sally Martin, no, no relation.

Oh, wait. No, his first name's Martin. So of course it wouldn't be anyways. Moving on. They own, they own the bed and breakfast guest house that the Martins had bought. So this family had bought the BNB that Brian's father had wanted to buy. And he believed that the Martins had deliberately bought the property to hurt his family and blamed them for the depression that led to his dad's death.

So he shoots them in the guest house and then he goes to Port Arthur Ruins and he enters the Broad Arrow Cafe. He eats and then he goes to the back of the cafe, sets a video camera on a vacant table, takes out a semi-automatic rifle and begins shooting patrons and staff. Within 15 seconds he'd fired 17 shots, killing 12 people and wounding 10. Then he walks the other side of the shop and fires 12 more times, killing another eight people and wounding two. He then changes magazines before fleeing, shooting six people in the car park.

And from his car as he drove away, four were killed and an additional six were injured. Oh my fuck. And he recorded it on a video camera? Yeah, this guy's a piece of shit. Drives down the road. Well, he's crazy though. I mean, like, that's, he's not okay in any way. He's insane.

He goes down the road. Wait, it gets worse. There's a woman and her two children walking. He stops and fires two shots, killing the woman and the child she was carrying. The older child gets killed too, I don't want to. Then he steals a BMW by killing all four of its occupants and then a short distance down the road, he stops beside a couple in a white Toyota and drawing his weapon, ordered the man into the boot of the BMW.

After shutting the boot, he fires two shots into the windscreen of the Toyota, killing the female driver goes back to the guest house with the guy in his trunk, sets the, sets the stolen car on fire and takes the hostage inside with the corpse with the corpses of the BNB people. So he goes back to the BNB. But he didn't light the car on fire and leave the guy and say, okay, okay, okay. The police get there and they try to negotiate for many hours and then the phone dies in the battery phone dies.

His only demand was to be transporting an Army helicopter to an airport. Like you're going to fucking get away, dude. Well, 66 IQ. He's just improving. So at some point he kills his hostage. The next morning, it's been 18 hours since he's been there. He sets fire to the guest house and attempts to escape. He gets burns on his back and butt and was captured and taken into the hospital and he's

treated and kept under heavy guard. Let's see. Okay. Sorry. It was okay. So the guy gets shot before the standoff or had and had died in the fire. Let's see. Sorry.

So initially he pleads not guilty to the 35 murders and didn't provide any confession. However, he changed his plea to guilty before before court hearing on November 19th, 1996. Fiennes found guilty of all charges. The judge orders that all evidence for the case be sealed. I don't understand. I guess he just doesn't want the video to get out probably, right? If he's already because if he's already pleaded guilty, he's going to go to jail. So yeah, that guy, that guy was like, we're shutting this circus down now.

Let's not make this be a thing. That's good. He sentenced to 35 life sentences as many people as he killed plus 1,035 years in prison. So he's still there in solitary confinement. No one but his immediate family is allowed to visit him. He's never to be released. It says no parole, which is very rare in Australia. The majority of murder sentences allow for the possibility parole after a long prison

sentence. So his motivation for the massacre remains a guarded secret only known to his lawyer who is bound not to reveal without his client's consent. So we don't know what triggered it, why he started, what made him fucking go over the edge. But obviously all of these like slow build for a while. Yeah. Yeah, described are and there's they don't suspect that he killed his father and made

it look like a suicide. Right. I don't think so. No. Oh, that's. Wow. So yeah. So the Port Arthur massacre.

But I mean, it brought everyone together and made people aware and yeah, it's just this horrible thing. So wait, Bryant, Dick, um, did I mean, like what? I guess you wouldn't know, but like it just makes me think was that location part of his reason part of the thing that hasn't been explained totally like or like was there one person of those 35 that he was specifically targeting the video? It just freaks me out. Would he?

Yeah. Why would he put a video camera? It's so like, yeah, there is such a plan in place, obviously, it's such a like, I want everyone to know how like how I feel it's almost like this look at what look how awful I feel. Yes. Right. And also look what I can do.

Yeah. And look what it's that thing I'm like, that's guns is like look at the control I have over the world I live in as opposed to safety you actually have you think you have. It's my world. You're just players in it. Right. Right. Like you have the serene safety and I can fucking change that in a moment.

Also, I wonder what if he had had head injuries in that car accident, I mean, a head on collision where the one person dies. I think he did. God, that's heavy. I know. Should we read a hometown? Isn't this nine hours long already? You're right.

Let's do a separate home tomorrow next week. All right. Wow. Let's do this for the Minnesota. It's because then they just go by then like people know to expect them and that's true. Sit there and wait for theirs like it's Christmas Eve. Yeah. Well, you guys go to my fave murder on Twitter.

My favorite murder on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page now. Oh my God, you did not post that photo. Yeah. I took a picture of Georgia's hair. Karen. Yeah, I wanted to capture the feel. This picture really embodies how this episode feels.

Your hair is totally insanity and gray. It's the worst photo I've ever seen of myself and yet I'm so, I want that to be my new head shot. It should be because you look gorgeous, you have wonderful teeth. Go to my fave murder. Sweet baby angel. I'm a sweet baby angel. You're my sweet baby angle forever.

It says Hebrew, but that's on Twitter and I'm going to put it on Instagram because fuck everything. I'll put it on. So MFM podcast is our Facebook fan page because we can't write the word murder. Oh, how's the Facebook fan page going? I'm posting little things. It's fun. Okay.

Yeah. People are joining it. Is that even? Yeah. I don't know how that works. They're joining it and it shows you how many people it has quote reached, which I don't completely understand. Oh, I see.

You know what I'm saying? There's also the good old, and you guys were getting ready to watch fucking Jean Benet. Oh, you guys, there's this Sunday, the 18th is the Jean Benet. What's that one called? The docus? It's the real one. It's on CBS. It's like, I've been trying to watch like four other ones that they're posting.

Yeah. They all cropped up real fast. They all cropped up real fast. Oh, girl. Thank you. That was good. Thank you. They cropped up.

I'm going to go to Dr. Phil's situation and talk about Burke Ramsey and we'll get into that. Can I just say this is half a brag and then also half an excuse is that I did brag that I had an insider at Dr. Phil and then I found out from, because we talked about it for a while, but then I basically called her and said, you have to tell me the second that interview happens, you have to tell me if anything gets revealed and she was like, did I say this already on the air? She was like, we recorded that three months ago, nothing happened.

Did she say it was boring? She said it was boring, but I don't think that's how people actually feel about it because we've been getting people tweeting to us or is like, this is creepy and he looks weird and stuff. So I think she's just a jaded, working in television, if anyone out there is interested in doing it, it ruins everything for you. All enjoyment is taken away from every facet of entertainment as a person who is living it.

I was like, I was so excited when we talked about it first, call my friend and it's like, forget it. Well, I think we need an all jambonet all the time episode. Yes, I think we should definitely do that. We'll do that. I have a new, my new theory. Oh shit. That I'll talk about once.

So do I. Do you? No. I have a theory that I think is now correct that I will talk about once we watch the good episode. We're calling it, what are we going to call it, the good one? The CBS episode is the real one. The real world.

The real world. That's called the real world. We're going to watch the real world this Sunday and then we're going to podcast right afterwards so that we give you a fresh, the freshest of takes. Maybe we'll do it so that, I don't know, I guess people will. I mean, the next morning we'll do something. It'll be fine. We have plans.

We are very, we are very organized. I blocked out Sunday night so we could do it night of. I don't know if you did though. No, but you can go ahead. Oh girl. Goodbye. Thanks for listening. You guys are the best.

We love you. We love you. I love you. And I forgot how we ended this because I'm on. Oh, I know how. We end by me telling you to stay sexy. And me telling you don't get murdered. Elvis wants a cookie?

He knows. Elvis, I know he doesn't want a cookie. He totally knows. You know your lines. Good boy. See you over here. Thanks for listening guys. Bye.

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