My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 38 - Sidebar Nation

Episode Date: October 14, 2016

It’s My Favorite Murder, this week with hand-holding and shit! Karen and Georgia share the story of the killer priest, Gerald Robinson, and prepare for their trip to Chicago with a breakdown of the 2016 Gage Park stabbings.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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We have Steven back. Steven was gone last week. Steven, welcome back. Thank you. Thanks for watching my cats while I was out of town. They kept me busy, but I loved them. Yes. Save it for the cat podcast.

For cats, everyone. I have a story to tell about being out of town speaking of. Oh, this is my favorite murder, by the way. Did we say that part? You don't know. You're Karen. I'm Georgia. That's right.

That's right. It's so funny. Makes all the difference. You came in tonight and like sat in my seat. And then I was like, are we gonna, we're not doing this. Right. No. Yeah.

No, absolutely not. So wait. Georgia went to San Francisco for, was it for a unique suite? No, it's just for like a real life, normal trip. Oh, it went on vacation. Yeah. Oh my God. How was it?

You're the cry for me. Yeah, it's like so jealous. I'm on your Argentina right now. Oh, this goddamn town so bad. Oh, it was nice. Can I tell you honestly? Yes, I like staying home you do a lot like as a staycation as opposed to going some more vacation I'm not yeah I like being home I hear you you know I like that excuse to

like eat and drink whatever I want when I'm out of town but like I also like hanging out at home did you guys drive or fly we flew I feel like at this point in my life I've got this I'd like gotten to this place where like I'm not gonna fly to San Francisco I'm not gonna fly to Vegas I'm in a valet park most most the time you mean drive right you were saying fly you're gonna do the most convenient thing yeah because you're an adult like that to me was like when I realized that I can now afford valet parking and like not even not I could afford it for a long time but I was like fuck you I'm not paying to like to like

pay you right to eat at your place but that's not it it's you're paying for the convenience of pulling up and walking away from your car and not being in a dangerous neighborhood walking down the street right anyways yeah San Francisco and then I'm walking down hate street mm-hmm that great street that great street hate with Vince during the day we're like doing touristy things and I hear someone scream at me from a moving car and I go to Vince what was that and he said she said my favorite murder what yes as she drove by I like wave my hands in it like I totally like lost my mind that's awesome I

know I didn't play it cool and I wasn't being cool cuz it was like cool for fools yeah it was exciting I love oh my god I'm smiling so much first of all I used to live were you in the upper hate where like all the shops are we were in the upper hey yeah that's where that's my old neighborhood from when I used to live there before the dot-com boom when you could live in the upper hate as a young poor person dangerous there it was it wasn't bad well you know what though that back then I crave danger yeah I get it um I lived in Korea town for a little while you know so that it's like even more touching I just love that but

I think also that's I love that someone to recognize you from like it must have it had to have been a block away yeah well they were driving by and it's like okay that I mean Vince is like a tall dude with like blonde shaved head and like always wears a flannel and I'm like a short you know like and I had been posting on my Instagram that I was in town oh I'm like probably were like knew that I was like there's this person but it still was like I didn't get it at first and then I was like what's that what you said they're like get out of town no oh wait yeah I was about to go fuck you you go kick their bumper Georgia

wait I love that I went to see Jimmy Pardo and Matt Belknap have the of course the very famous podcast never not funny and our friend April Richardson was on it the other night so I went with her because we're two old Crohn's that go everywhere together and because she was the guest and it was over at Flappers and during the show Jimmy referenced me and did it in his very Jimmy Pardo way of going oh sure start a podcast and then you're number one we've been here for ten years whatever which is the highest compliment from a comedian like putting you down by complimenting you by putting you down exactly that's the

only way they can do it yeah it's very hard for us as stand-up comedians to really express ourselves but it was a lovely shout out really is what it was and afterwards when we went to leave two different girls came up and were like I'm a murderer you know it's the funniest thing when people say it that way yeah I remember it's really fun there's another girl who mess it who like put in a message on my Instagram photo and was like I saw you on the Bart train in San Francisco and I recognized you and I looked at her photo and I was like oh my god I was she's like I was too scared to say anything and I was like

I was staring at you because your hair was so cute why what was her like her hair was like a pixie cut and I was looking at her being like fuck I wish I could pull that off that girl pulls it off really well what pixie like a boy a boy cut like like tinkerbell yeah tinkerbell has a bun oh shit I'm thinking tinkerbell from hook I've always wanted that hair too well like Julie Robertson in a wig she was rocking boy hair yeah you have to be so pretty to be able to pull off that hair yeah I was like fuck shit and I've done I've done that hair and been like oh my god what did I do dude in high school I

did the ghost haircut what's the ghost haircut it's a bull it's like a it's a big round Demi more and ghost bull cut did you go in and be like give me the ghost I I think it may have been before ghost no brag and I know that I had also sunned my hair so I basically had orange hair in a bull cut I looked like I had it was kind of like as if I was trying to look like a Japanese rock star is what I looked like but not but then everything a male Japanese rock star it was like basically what are you doing is what is what I looked like I mean we have so many throwback Thursday photos that just horrified never see the light a horrify

no here's one thing I would like to mention for housekeeping and this is actually kind of on on frame on brand so it's gonna be wrong and loud this morning people were posing and I and some people actually also tweeted it to me there's a very disturbing YouTube yes so it's okay in the body it was on Buzzfeed first that's somebody I'm sorry whoever tweeted it first cuz it was a handful of people but I always want to give the first people credit and I never remember they're at okay things it's always like baboon heart 64 whatever I'm like could you just have a name 64 is gonna blow up right now even though

they like don't even know what the podcast is it's like some some like mom some transplant surgeon that's like no I actually have transplanted 64 baboon hearts but they sent it and it's this Buzzfeed did it really disturb it's somebody found a YouTube video of a guy saying talking to his friend and saying hey I got a new girlfriend and then they cut to a naked girl tied up in a bathroom and screaming screaming what are you doing this help me yes they thought it was connected to a missing girl I know God you're doing everything I was gonna do like forget to find her name oh I totally forgot the missing

girl's name was Kayla Berg and she went missing the videos from 2009 and I guess she went missing like a little bit and it's so crazy so I looked at I was like doing some some researching because of course on fucking reddit unsolved mysteries which is like the best late night you know stay up till 4 in the morning thing trying to solve some mysteries yeah well they have a screen ground I can't watch the video cuz like it's scared like I can't watch the video because it's like a 911 call right for you like exactly did you watch it no I can't watch it no but I scroll down far enough to see a screen grab from it and

I want to sue so many different people right now well they have the screen grab up the photo of the girl and then a photo of the girl who got Kayla who got kidnapped next to it and it fucking looks like her dude but they already they announced it's a hoax but they don't know for sure no they well that the articles I read which was at 7 o'clock tonight yeah say it it is well they say that he's a known like actor pranker dude but they don't and she's an actress yeah they know it's they know it's not real is the last article I read her poor family Kayla's family well also what kind of prank yeah that's not inside

yourself and ask what is wrong that you need to do shit like that there's something wrong keep I hope the police keep their eye on that pranker dude who thinks something like that is funny like and her like what cut like go do community theater I mean something now now that I'm thinking of it I was in theater and this is the kind of shit that it's like you oh it's almost like you're like oh this will be amazing like you don't even it's not like hey let's do this we're gonna do this shoot today it's like late night you're like hanging out like let's do this thing wouldn't this be funny amazing and you're more

concerned about yourself and like you look really good tied up naked or something instead of like any impact or you're like assuming no one will see it instead of oh my god what if this actually affects people that's how what I made the McNuggetini video that's what happened to me too we were like no one will see this this is ridiculous and they're like we don't know 10,000 people and then like that's how my career started with Nuggetini kidnapping video same thing and the weirdest thing is last week on the show I work on is my episode and in the middle of it the director of the episode who is this super badass Peter

Atencio who directed Keanu the Canpeel movie and all of Canpeel all of Canpeel he's done a ton of shit I think he did Last Man on Earth yeah he's done a bunch of stuff he's he's the shit right now he walks up to me goes you know my friend Georgia and I was like what is happening and he directed your Nuggetini video he did that we were just friends with him and he was like hey I'll do this like for like for free as a friend did that in my grandma's kitchen and then from that we got a web series with Cooking Channel and he directed those two and like no way he's just like a buddy of ours that's so awesome now he's like this

huge now he's the shit and everybody on my episode which was very involved and like should we plug the show early I don't think we can I mean like I don't yeah I think we should wait until I always think I'm gonna get I got it I want to sue people and I want to get sued but that was an awesome connection and then I told you this already but I want to tell other people while I was leaving is that kind of thing where this is like a real TV show I've worked on obviously I worked on TV for a while but this is like an exciting show that I really love and believe in and think is great and it feels like other people

that are working on it feel that way too which is normally when you work with crew people and stuff they're all like checking their watch like I need to get out of here but everybody in this whole crew is so good they're really good at what they do it's amazing to watch these are obviously kind of a list of people in all these different departments and when we went to leave everyone was kind of thank each other saying goodbye or whatever and it was like you know midnight on Friday it sucked so I went to leave and then I as I saw the prop master so I went to say thank you to him and as we were shaking hands he was

like great to work with you and then he goes don't get murdered and walked away tell me this I didn't oh I thought I called you oh yeah I didn't no shit it maybe was my sister that's where I'm kind of losing my mind right now I'm so fucking tired I'm so tired I feel like I have 50,000 emails you know and I'm not doing I feel like I'm I have 19 plates spinning I'm dropping all of them everything's still everything's working out I know like the other day we were like both freaking out about like social media on this and it's like oh it's not it's not gonna implode if we don't retweet someone everything's okay you're

getting you're on this your job and you're doing your your big job yes everything else is still working out we're okay right we're fine like we're good this is anxiety like at work yes well it's just a lot I mean it's just look no complaints that's the worst thing in the world to complain about yeah anyway no but it's it's nice there's some fun things happening I guess that the fun thing about that story is I'm sitting there going like oh everyone's so awesome or whatever and then like when someone comes up yeah it's such an intimate thing yeah what if I just immediately I started asking him for

compliments the second after he told me not to get married like me oh we sold out the Chicago podcast festival show that we're doing I don't know how I can think I don't know 950 people is it that's too many people yeah we got it let's cut that in half for sure okay I'll put one of those like the guy tomorrow at work put that wall up what's you know like yeah we'll hang the improv curtain like only half the room sold out no we'll bring our own big huge black curtain but there'll be the rest of the people will be behind that curtain we just know we can't see though yeah I'm trying your sister's coming I'm

trying to bring my mom we're it's so exciting because my these are the people it never paid attention to anything I did until I was about 27 and now you're a big deal and all of a sudden but I think Adrienne and Audrey were the first who started and these are basically child our childhood friends they got away back Petaluma Petaluma hardcore what's up and we have a we have a text thread that's been going for like a year where we're just constantly sending each other terrible cat photos and whatever I remind me to send you the rock and roll elf photo gift rock and roll elf mm-hmm okay sorry go on oh someone at work

mentioned the other day do you know elf ended with him being taken away by the government is that the truth there was someone fucking with me we're getting a nod from Dustin I mean is it true same thing it's very true here young enough sort of like have absorbed that no somebody talked about it recently you briefly run it down how is that how I don't know I just heard that that's how it ended I just so let somebody's lying to me and you can I be honest that motherfucker eight cats so I don't give a shit what happened okay fuck off fuck out maybe it was cats dressed up in government clothes oh this is fan

fiction right where were we oh your sister your friends they're gonna oh so then in this text they ice one of them said you're gonna go to the Chicago to do your podcast and I was like yeah oh they were mad that they didn't they weren't here for our first oh I don't even invite my mom even those down the street from her house and I'm like I'm gonna fly her to Chicago yeah they're gonna do a little makeup work yeah but anyway they got excited and then they're like we could go we can afford to go we can fly out and then they basically made the plans on the text thread and I was just laying on my couch like all bitchy

and tired and like it was of course 10 o'clock at night I was like I don't want to take my mascara off and then my sister and my old friends just start making this plan in front of me to come and be there for when we do Chicago you're gonna cry it made me cry at the time and then I was like you guys I'm crying and they just didn't even pay attention they were such a hard ass you cry so easily I will cry well especially these days like the other day I had a brief passing thought in the room and then I pretend I had to pretend to sneeze so that it we would understand why my eyes were the way they were you're the most

hard-ass and then you just fucking lose it that's how it always is if you if someone's a real hard ass they're the soft biggest softie right that makes sense we have to put our dukes way up because we have we were like the prickly pear with a gooey center I'm hungry you just bite into a prickly pear why is this gooey uh what a oh shirt stuff wait before we do that should we say thank yous to our gifts that we forgot about yes okay I have a thank you we have a several thank you so at our live show in Los Angeles at the LA podfest we afterwards like a bunch of people just like handed a shit like didn't even want

money for it away and did there's no cards we don't know names they didn't want anything for it which is like bananas it's the way to do it actually so they respect it I agree like it's legit just add a card because some of it we don't know who it's from yeah we do want to know your name yeah okay so this someone just handed me this like these this gift bag with two cat toys in it that Elvis and Mimi have fucking lost their shit over Elvis was laying on one of them like a pillow yeah there these earlier little it's one's a goldfish and one's an elephant and they're filled with catnip and they and it's it's called

becco family bec o and you can get them I think it's oh dear bec opets bec opet calm and they're these like adorable and it looks like natural and like not bad for you cat toys and they've held up which usually when catnip toys they get chewed on they fall apart immediately and they've like fought each other over them so thankfully they gave us two but thank you that's so awesome they're so sweet I'm gonna post a photo of Elvis and Mimi fighting over them on their Instagram and we got the we got mugs from the coroner's office I like to think the corner brought them him or herself but if we don't really know I

feel like I wish the person had given us a card I feel like they probably bought those at the Museum of Death oh yeah I mean they seem like something that you could buy at the Museum of Death I just like it because in the morning it's a nice tall mug and then it's a skeleton with us with a Sherlock Holmes hat on and I think he's smoking a pipe mine has it mine was a chalk outline my body chalk outline nice with that on it they're really good quality mug so thank you whoever was the the gift gave her in that scenario you could probably bash someone over the head with it and it wouldn't even break they're my wait what

might be a little knife in the bottom I was trying to riff I think that's it for those items my favorite murder no no okay teespring.com slash stores slash my favorite murder podcast is the place to buy shirts and mugs and doing new shirts which one is it fuck politeness that's I want that one and so I think there's only ever gonna be four shirts and whichever one does the least well I'm taking down so you better fucking buy it now and vote for your favorite I don't know and also any moment there's gonna be a murdering no shirt I think probably tomorrow there's a new murdering no shirt fuck politeness shirt when she said

any moment she really meant I mean I'm just doing this Steven also showed me his tote bag which is actually really it's the original logo and it's my favorite murder logo tote bag and it's like it's good it's like a book bag it reminds me of like my fourth grade book back Steven any comments thoughts on it I mean it holds the gear that records this podcast holy shit meta dude and good hands this is holistic listen go to the farmers market with a shirt with a tote bag that says fuck politeness yeah and tell everyone to fuck off and get some sale berries what are sale berries well they'll give you a discount cuz

they love our fun like on sale berries yeah I thought there was a bear I didn't know about sale berries you know they taste like say it sale it I can't I can't do I'm so tight tie Karen drinking a diet ginger what's happening here that's the other thing to you I haven't had anything I like to eat in six months so look amazing you look miserable would amazing I'm miserably amazing thank you it's just so much all right anyways let's move on to yeah there's so much going on hey let's take a quick what oh I was just gonna say somebody was telling my friend Nick

who listens hi Nick Bernstein who listens to us and is a big fan and is a big podcast person in general kind of like listens to all of them he was talking about I can't remember what he's talking about specifically but then I was I just mentioned the skippers and the people who actually messaged us to complain and I said there are I basically said there are some people who are just like come on get to the murder and he could not stop laughing at that sentence he's like that's your poll quote that has to be your poll quote get to the murder and I was like oh you know what you're right that's exactly right

my god like this is the you've said it before this is the podcast this is the podcast it took quote Jimmy Pardo listen or don't listen or don't this is the podcast the thing is sorry that's my that's the thing sometimes I'll just say that to Ben because he knows what I mean sorry but do you mind skipping the fuck out of here oh shit break time break time then murder time then we get to the murders oh then can you just fucking out to the murders hey I'm Arisha and I'm Brooke and we're the hosts of Wunderies podcast even the rich where we bring you absolutely true and absolutely shocking

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right what if my eye fell out this weird nerve pain in my left eye I'm actually really bummed because one of my like murders on my future list is the eyeball killer yeah what if I did that tonight and it just so happened if that happened that would be like what was that time life book series where they're like a mother in Ohio's has pain in her hand at the same time that her daughter gets stabbed in the hand I love those yeah what was the one those were called mysteries of the unknown or something like that was definitely that was one of them it wasn't it was like there was that there was unsolved mysteries there

was like the like new generation of them Twilight Zone yeah that was super scary and the movie also in the 80s yeah they just basically want to screw scar us and scare the shit out of us and then they ended up making the coolest people that's right any generation really we can back and take it but also I wish it was a called mysteries of the unknown it was called time life book series I'm like books presents come on we got this that the paranormal or something I bet you're right about Steven's gonna know and there was also like like tombs that they would open yes Egypt and they like contain things I

fucking love Egypt tombs you know that there's a there's a okay global warming is causing these glaciers to melt yes in the Alps yes and you know what they're finding underneath them what they're finding the bodies of World War one soldiers that died in a crazy battle up at the top no yeah that is I love that I know archaeology is like but also what if that happens and they it's they start finding stuff that like they didn't know was there that's why I thought you're gonna go they there's pyramids in the Alps like this World War one soldiers had ithones they all had it no not mysteries of the criminal mind

I was gonna give that your podcaster shout out but now you don't deserve the per cast doesn't deserve it you know what you can do to make up for this buy me this but what is it called a time well cuz I'm like the criminal mind I think mine is mysteries of the unknown I think I might be right it had like a I think you're right the picture was like a pyramid with lightning or something on the front and then I remember all those ones if like you can see like in the dollar bill you can see that someone's head and it's like I think it is mysteries of the unknown mystic places mystery the and look there's a whole

series yes that's it there it is there it is well done look and with that Steven immediately wins us back over to his favor listen to the per cast that's three hours per cast per cast Steven Ray Morris I'm having the best time right now so are you Steven um should we start yeah I think you're first is it murder time I'm also first because I could just keep going like this by the way I know where we just never talk about we just kind of go hysterical peripherally talk about murder but not really but not really ever gets anything specific yeah my sciatica is still killing me there's a couple things on the on the Facebook

page this week that I really adored but I didn't have time is that thing where I get up in the morning and I had to make a rule that I can't do it in the morning anymore because I just it eats up like an hour and a half you could spend so and then you like click on this thing and then you like click on another like link in that and then you read about that like I didn't know about that and then you have to like text it to yourself so you can yes you're making a list I have like my list on the side of my like the left hand side of my computer it just goes on for days it's things I feel like I'm never gonna look at again we're never

gonna get to those I do want to know it what happened to those torsos I 70 killer who's that I must know I'm the one that has yeah the good thing the comforting thing is especially when I look on the Facebook page there's so many people that are so much more interested in this than I am and so much more dedicated and so and some professionals yeah it's like oh I don't have to I don't have to know every story they will help us well one day this will be your full-time job and then we'll just go to therapy every day to start with therapy and then we'll do much well actually in therapy we'll go over these

like we'll click together that's a good idea you and I will have group therapy that yeah yeah I'm just be holding hands the whole time yeah crying easily crying this one time when I was 11 my mom forgot to pick me up wait that wasn't me that was someone on the Facebook page wait that was a TV show all right this this week time-life series presents a murder that I'm positive I I must have found on on either through somebody who tweeted it at us or somebody on the Facebook page but it's really good because as being an ex-catholic or I guess a lapsed Catholic yeah I'm not I haven't turned my back on the church the

last couple experiences I've had at the church in my hometown were great like oh because you went with your niece yeah my niece goes to Catholic school goes to the same school I went to and the church the way they do things is really different than the way it was done in the 80s it was like which is a hundred years ago you have to be mean and enough to make you pay attention like love God or something right these days it's totally like we're all just here to support each other we're like what are these word they change the words there's a lot of hand-holding and shit my god stuff that was never even it wasn't done

when I was growing girl today's a Jewish holiday and I didn't fucking do shit what is it per um it's a yom kippur and I absolutely did nothing don't ask me the meaning of it okay it's about a toneman I think right yes I am the I am a terrible I'm the juiciest non-ju that's ever lived that's really true you play good you know but you don't do any of the like no homework part I think it's enjoyable and I also think it's what in Los Angeles I would say it's like what 98% of people are doing let's make this about me I'm sorry keep going well then I just started thinking like what if we lived in a Catholic town where everyone

is business was all Catholic yeah I'd be so fucking weird I still get angry when shit's close on Sundays and not gonna fucking lie Karen tell me more about Catholicism I just everyone should know that if that sounded weird I just made Steven edit out me hucking the biggest lewky she was like a fucking 70s baseball player the thing she just did with her nose and throat your nose and throat man that was good for me it was for me you know every once in a while there'll be somebody like on the street that does that oh my god somebody doesn't just spit like oh I have just bit but they'll like hawk a looking on

the street and make a noise and it's like thick or I just want to go our did you drive here from a place where there are no other people no man play start you step on that you fucking that's why you take your shoes off in the house that's right gross my sister that's why my sister won't let me put my purse on her counter I get it because you'd be your purse you put your purse on all surfaces oh yeah when I get home from a trip my my my luggage doesn't touch anything important it's like until you wipe it down with bleach when someone puts their luggage on the bed I'm like what why are you trying to get the black

death just get to the murder yeah okay I'm sorry no I know I know you're right you're um so but I say all this because my my murder this week is about a priest named Gerald Robinson now normally I love a serial killer I love a process killer I love somebody who maybe one of his eyes got poked out and he's upset and oh there was a really good Ted talk somebody posted on the Facebook page sorry sidebar there's a really good Ted talk where a guy talks about how people become that like the mind of a serial killer and he talks about violence experiencing violence at a young age and head trauma fuck yeah he does and that I loved that

so anyway this episode's called sidebar nation this is become a citizen of sidebar nation don't fight us anymore we know you like murder to everybody does join the religion of sidebar nation because it's fun to have ADD a whole hands and we'll talk about it and there will be crying so normally one off murders do not interest me sure they are half there has to be insane extenuating circumstances for me to be like oh because I have that feeling like well that's just a thing that happens somebody loses their shit and all the sudden attacks another person or somebody pushes someone over and they hit

we're very fragile delicate yeah people like that happens it has is like but you like the shit that's like planned right I like the the stuff that's from a movie that's but actually happened in real life see I think I'm the opposite where I'm fascinated by the like you you did these things without even realizing you were gonna murder someone or like you were going to this was going to happen this thing was building up inside you that's no it wasn't even building up it just this fucking snap decision you made ended up in the in these circumstances and you had and you murdered someone without even fucking under like if you could go

back and be like I was murdering this person and I did I just wanted I just wanted to show them how angry I was or I just wanted to I just reacted in a way that I'm not because I'm not good at them controlling my anger yeah I wouldn't have done them but I did them that's why I like one off you let okay that makes sense well then you Georgia this one is dedicated to you thank y'all this one's going out to Georgia tonight hey Georgia Karen just wants you to know I'm a lady from coast local jokes get local work all right this is priest Gerald Robinson so this is fucked it's a one-off but it's crazy fucked it has all

these elements to it where I'm like I I couldn't find let's let's be honest Karen didn't find I'm sure that it's possible to find all these super detailed parts see correction corner next week many of you this will go on and on but I'll just give you what I know so on April 5th 1980 what a time music TV there was so much great stuff happening in our culture but in Toledo Ohio at the Toledo Mercy Hospital in the sacristy of the chapel which is up where they keep the body of Christ amen I believe I think that's where it like up and near the altar I think that's the sacristy or maybe the sacristy is backstage happy

Yom Kippur everyone they find a fellow nun finds the body of sister Margaret and Paul and she had been stabbed 31 totally shit that's a lot she well she hadn't she had initially been attacked from behind she was hard of hearing so her killer snuck up on her took a piece of cloth wrapped it around her neck and choked her so hard that he broke two bones in her neck holy shit then she was placed on the floor while she was dying she was covered with an altar cloth and then she was stabbed nine times over the heart in an inverted cross shape no that's right and then the clothers removed and she was stabbed in a chest

neck and face 22 more times fuck why take the cloth off that doesn't make any sense I mean then the killer smudged blood on her forehead as if he was anointing her holy shit with that blood which is so creepy to me the Catholic then he pulled her dress above her chest not cool then he pulled her girdle and hosed down not cool and pulled it pulled her legs apart and they say he penetrated her with either the murder weapon oh across ory finger hate the murder weapon I hate that detail and murders it's yeah that's it's that's hideous yep and it's also especially in this case the police were like well this

was a person this was a person who intimately knew Catholic ritual and who was trying to degrade this woman in front of God and degrade the church oh if she had lived one more day which was if she lived one more day she would have been 72 years old oh and I believe the next day was what I was thinking there just then it was the next day was Easter so she was born honey so four days later they have her funeral and father Gerald Robinson presides over the funeral he was the hospice the chaplain of the hospital chapel and she was the caretaker of the hospital chapel I remember his name from when you

introduced the story do you remember I maybe I shouldn't have done that this would be more of a reveal look if I had days and days to do this shit and I was unemployed and stuff oh oh the presentation I would wait then you're making me feel bad because I have days and days and I'm unemployed yet I don't care no then we're both doing great two weeks later father Robinson is brought in for questioning because they put it together that if it's somebody who knows Catholic ritual and it's somebody who's trying to demean her they work together and she is known as a taskmaster there's in these it's so funny

because these articles are clearly from a while ago where they're just right up top they're talking about what a bitch she is where I'm none is a fucking cut what a bitch and it's like first of all he murdered her so I think he's the bigger ultimate sorry the headline is sorry the I'm as tiny is it like font eight and everything else is a font 32 can we get that Shazamanda Shazamanda.com I mean at Instagram yeah so but they talk about that she was she was a tough old bird and maybe that made him mad and maybe he couldn't handle that or didn't like it or took it for years and years and years but he tried so hard to take

it and then but he was a man of the Lord so I guess he just had to kill her so he's brought in for questioning but he told the police in 1980 when he's brought in for questioning that somebody else had confessed to the murder oh but he couldn't he didn't know who it was you couldn't say anything else because of the bond that's smart they gave him two polygraph tests which were inconclusive and then they let him go and within the year he's transferred to a different fuck area how convenient well 23 years later so this is the coldest of cold cases yeah ritual murder of a nun yeah in a chapel it wasn't just like a

passionate murder like the fact that he did the upside down cross and then and then anointed the smudge yes that's evil it's super evil and what's weird to me is this and this is the part where I do want to get into this more and learn more about it I bet you there's a book about this because this was during the time during satanic panic oh right in the 80s went like the McMartin daycare thing where all of a sudden this weird thing and maybe this was before it and so it didn't catch that in the way that it would have other places but in the 80s there's a fascinating there's definitely books about it last podcast on

the left did an episode about it of satanic panic where all of a sudden people were being accused accused of ritual serial murder of like occult groups and satanic groups and killing children and sacrificing children and raping children and this whole thing that they are they like legitimately leaps in Satan that there were you know album like music albums that you could play backwards that were telling people to kill children and it was just like this it was a whole thing thing it was like a cultural phenomenon yeah much like the evil clown phenomenon we're all experiencing now which I fucking think

is hilarious it's the greatest it's like it makes me happy in my heart and I don't think that they're actually trying to hurt anyone like I think there's I would say there's 97% of it is bored high school boys who find old Halloween costumes and they're like now we have something to do tonight but there was that one story where there was someone there was a clown on the edge of a forest trying to offer children candy yeah but at what point is that built up by like terrified fucking you know parents who were like he tried to lure my kid and the kid was like yeah I totally like I just don't believe it

but that's even true I would love to know I think it's hilarious there's I say at the center of all this there's one evil clown and everybody else is just bug bandwagoning on his shit yeah and they're like don't fuck our shit up man this is like good for us but one of them is gonna get shot by some fucking angry soccer dad well then it'll be over yeah that's gonna ruin it for all the rest of us who want to laugh at this they were actually doing that in Kern County like two years ago and people were taking video of it and it was it's because Kern County is up north of Los Angeles and it's basically the forest

at the bottom of the wilderness and it's the creep there people would drive by and there just be a guy with a clown dressed as a clown but like an evil clown holding balloons standing around by the road out in the forest area I feel like if I saw that I would crack up I would scream I would laugh but I would laugh out of out of fear but in the way of like I wouldn't be able to control myself you'd scream sneeze yeah and you would which by the way people are pissed at us first talking about scream sneeze or scream sneezers are pissed oh really well I've been pissed at you guys for a long time and also we

talked about it in a way where you could see it coming and we spoke in normal tones yeah we didn't all the sudden scream at the top of our lungs out of the blue for seemingly no reason so who cares what they think anyway back to this murderous priest go on all right 23 years later a woman tells the Toledo Catholic diocese diocese that she suffered years of ritual sex abuse by a diocese in I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right and religious order of priests during her childhood holy shit and she named Gerald Robinson in particular motherfucker now these those accudate accusations were never

substantiated because though like why would she lie well a why would she lie be it it's it takes me straight to the Lincoln Credit Union yeah thing of that pedophile rings happen they are crazy and upsetting and nobody wants to admit it but it has happened they do happen definitely whether that is happening because people want to dedicate their life to Satan I don't know or think so and if they and if that's what they say it's an excuse for bad behavior right they're not religious people no and you know with her with it being unsustainable since I'm unsubstantiated yes the intimidation that you must receive when

you give it have any allegation of this going on is so intense that why would you then move forward with trying to substantiate it yes exactly why would you put yourself in the hot water you know what fuck this I'm moving on yeah now I will just say this for even keel miss say there is a possibility that the reason that she would make an accusation like that and it would be unfounded and untrue is because she had mental health issues okay that is a possibility in no way am I accusing her but I don't even know who this person is there's no name and that's of course the first thing that gets thrown back at a

person like that that then negates a victim's story right so I am in no way doing that the other thing is maybe she does have mental health issues and also isn't lying yeah you know maybe her mental health issues are because she went through this thing for you know what I mean yes insane people are still fucking saying some things that are like the truth yes they're yeah you know I mean it's just so frustrating yes and the and the idea that things don't get substantiated doesn't mean it's right that they didn't happen it's that the police cannot find proof 20 years later or don't want to find proof because maybe

there's a fucking involvement conspiracies to the roof and my favorite murder is cracking the fucking case right now get with it by post postulating postulating by repeatedly postulating vaguely hardcore vague postulating that's that's our tagline that's the new shirt that's our hook hardcore vague postulating okay but then the authorities in December of the same year so like six months later they receive a letter about the woman's allegations and they reopen the investigation into sister Margaret and death so basically somebody some shoot somebody at the Catholic diocese heard

this woman's story and believed her enough or felt enough about it to send a letter to the cops to say I think this needs to be looked into in some way mm-hmm and they did and that's why that sister Margaret and death got the case got reopened and the name that they find is father Gerald Robinson that's the big there's a there's a man named in this crazy quote unquote crazy story of political ritual police molestation and then when they go to open this 20 year old murder case he's the he's the one guy that works there and he's there so then they start looking into it and they start they look at I think I'm not sure

exactly how they hook this up but I love this there was a very light indentation on that altar cloth that got put on her that had a little picture of the US capital and it was the medallion on a letter opener that they found on his desk oh my god and then they took that letter opener and they put it and compared it to it her wounds it didn't match right it matched not only did it match it matched like a key in a lock holy shit so then they go and talk to him and it said that when they brought him in for questioning again this is you know in now in 2000 2004 I think and he's he's brought in for questioning they

talked to him a little bit he denies everything and when they when he leaves the camera catches him he's whispering to himself and saying things it like panic word you know like he's clearly praying my god he's saying like holy Jesus and it's little things that you they can't pick up yeah the whole thing but it's I can't I want to watch it that's crazy I know so basically it's a it's a bit of a Robert Durst yeah where he doesn't realize he's still being filmed and he's alone freaking the fuck out no freak out freak the fuck out to yourself everyone yeah exactly just stare straight ahead yeah try to keep your

eyes open as wide as possible do not blink don't blink no matter what yeah but I feel like that's the thing of if you were look if you were looked at for a murder and you were not guilty of that murder and then they brought you back in 20 years later yeah there's no need to pray in a panicked manner no after the cops leave no I mean you might be upset or whatever but you don't what are you freaking out about yeah I demand to know you have to tell me so essentially they figure out that father Robinson was angry about sister Paul's domineering ways that they'd worked together for a long time and that that that he basically

snapped also the fact they were having Easter services at that chapel so maybe something specific happened or like the pressure was building or they had to work together more than often yeah more than usual I mean to me though the level of overkill oh my god building up so crazy yeah and it also indicates it's like if you're a priest I mean I understand that you would be very familiar with things like inverted crosses yeah to stab to stab an inverted cross into an old woman's heart is pretty fucking extreme but was it what if he was stabbing her from her head down like maybe it wasn't inverted in his

mind I'm saying no it's the shape of an inverted cross okay they think one of the theories is that he was trying to make it look like some outside total creep which means he thought about it beforehand yeah like that's what's crazy is like those little aspects of like that he means he thought about it beforehand yeah and also that doesn't sound like someone who's first and it was his first and only kill no it doesn't no it doesn't I mean for for things that I've read it absolutely doesn't because if you kill someone if you snap and kill someone and stab them a bunch of times but you don't you don't

have the presence of mind to do shapes shapes and design designs and shapes the thing on the forehead also putting the cloth on and then taking it off like you would do one or the other it means right yes and you it has meaning to you yeah and it is a ritual to you yeah you this priest like he can't see her while she's still alive but he's fine seeing her and stabbing her when she's dead you know what I mean but he it was the cloth was on when he did the inverted cross yeah so she was probably alive during that and then she was dead and so he could take it off and kill her like and stab her more which is creepy yes

then he knows he's stabbing a dead body and then a priest 22 times takes her clothing off is like oh you know like if you just wanted to kill her then just do that but then going through this like to make it look sexual and like people who try to make it look sexual so that they think it's someone else are still doing this fucking crazy sexual thing yes that's right right yes it's there's all there's so many questions and and I'm the one that looked up the story thank God that's no no I mean these are questions that like only he can answer right you know as these are not questions that we can yeah I mean because they didn't

he he filed appeals he he pled not guilty he filed appeals they the jury convicted him in like six hours he was convicted of they they reduced the charge from aggravated murder to just regular murder but then he just was he just was in jail for the rest of his life and died there and they convicted him on my birthday in 2006 happy birthday birthday for you let's see I swear to God like these last I would say eight birthdays I have almost no memory of it's really good I mean it's all the same when you get to my age girls when you get to my age I'm taking a photo of you right now because Alice is like

sitting next to you just listening to you intently he's my good friend yeah so that's that don't have any makeup on no you look great I've work face priest Gerald Robinson probably not in heaven right now might be in purgatory good chances in hell most likely oh Jews don't believe in hell oh well depends on what you ask he's he's you know where he is hmm for all the Jews out there he's waiting at line in line at the cheesecake factory and he cannot get seated that sounds anti-Semitic I just can't figure out how is it racist no I don't care no I don't care no I do you know I do even on anti-Semitic all right

that was good thing that was fucked up I know that was fucked up so it was good okay good so all right since we're gonna be at the Chicago podcast festival oh I wanted to give a big ups to Chicago by doing Chicago murder is no what is it the torso murders no oh wait no that's Ohio also we want to apologize for it to Indianapolis oh they were hurt like no but they were so funny about it then it makes you want to go there I know last week I said that I never want to go to Indianapolis and everyone was just like yeah we get it they're like really cool about it and I'm like oh they sound cool but also to me when you said that you

clearly were just pulling a city name out of your it wasn't like you've been there and you're all bound no I mean realistically it's Cincinnati and what of every episode I just know you just but always keep it in that area like that very contained area in the Midwest that realistically we're never gonna go to we are so going to go on a train tour that is Indianapolis let's go to the places Georgia is kind of meh on up to Peoria Illinois but then right back down Pittsburgh here on that list Pittsburgh PA Pittsburgh parties yeah Pittsburgh's good times is it yeah okay yeah we'll be

there come on I've done some colleges I've stated some of the best days in around this country I can tell you all about it thank you so much I saw the highway and the by way the through way can I go please okay I'm kidding so this is I don't want to I want to stop laughing when I say what this is good idea this is the Gage Park stabbings yeah exactly stabbings plural stabbings multiple what city did you say Chicago yeah okay so February 4th 2016 that's recent shit that's right after we started this podcast okay and police are called to perform a well-being check at the Martinez family home which is in

Gage Park which is a quiet working-class neighborhood in the southwest side of Chicago no one from the family had been seen since February 2nd two days before and a co-worker of one of the family members had like been to the police like what's up so the police go in the doors to the Martinez family house are locked and there's no signs of force entry but once the police gun side they discovered the bodies of the entire Martinez family how many people well you ready for this so no we Martinez senior he's 62 he's found just inside the front door with blood all over his head and arms and he had had

10 stab wounds to the chest no his wife 58 year old Rosario Rosaro Martinez was found inside the back porch stabbed 45 times in her head neck chest abdomen including more than two dozen times in her head head stab wounds man I can't fucking deal with these those are like you gotta like stab hard that's rage yeah it's that's crazy rage yeah their daughter 32-year-old Maria Martinez had died of four gunshot wounds to the head fuck and their son Noe Martinez junior who's 38 was found next to his sister they were both in an upstairs bedroom he had 16 blunt force injuries to his head and another 13 stab wounds to head so

here's a real sad part I mean that's a bummer but the sons of Maria Alexis Cruz who was 10 was discovered in the basement and he had 11 stab wounds to the torso and 16 defensive wounds to his arms and hands and then 13-year-old Leonardo Cruz is found in the front porch with 11 stab wounds to the head shoulder and chest who the oh my god so it was believed that all six were killed within about a three-hour period and the doors of nightmare yeah the doors are locked you know no one's been hurt from since the second oh the family dog polusa which is Spanish for fuzzy was found alive inside covered in blood

invisibly shaken oh that poor dog so Jesus Christ and this is like a few fucking like less than a year ago in Chicago like a nice family so police originally thought it was a murder suicide but the autopsy proved otherwise and there were three types of knives used and none of them were there so they were like clearly this and a gun and then a month after the family was killed they still hadn't found anyone and people were like freaking out that there was some crazy killer on the loose so the police kind of started looking into the theory that maybe the killer or killers had it was like a hit and they

had hit the wrong home because the family had no ties to drugs and you know nothing criminal at all so they were starting to think that maybe because all the houses looked similar in that area that they that these criminals had hit the wrong home which is fucking terrifying horror so and the cops said it's possible they targeted the wrong home for whatever reasons they were trying to get into a residence there the family was targeted but whether it was domestic related or possibly a Mexican cartel remains unclear they said let's see okay so those are the initial theories and then eventually they started

thinking that the family had been specifically targeted because Maria Martinez who they thought was the main target had been shot rather than stabbed so they were like that's fucking weird so around three months later while the whole neighborhood is freaking out the detectives get a tip that the 22 year old nephew of Maria's ex ex-husband hadn't shown up for work the day of the killings or I'm sorry had shown up the day of after the day after with noticeable injuries his name is Diego Uribe and detectives get a DNA sample of him from him a few weeks later his DNA matched the blood under Maria's

fingernails and phone records also placed Diego Uribe in the area when the murders occurred 22 year old fucking nephew what the fuck yeah yeah so on May 19th 2016 the Chicago police announced first-degree murder charges against Uribe saying he had killed all six of them including the two children in a robbery that had turned into a mass curl though it seems like he had wanted to kill them in addition to rob them yeah you don't know that's you don't kill six people you don't kill two fucking children I know because it's like a robbery gone wrong no and his girlfriend Jafeth Ramos who was 19 was also

charged so it seems like Martinez who was close to the boys and close to the family they let him into the house because they knew him and he was there a lot and he had gotten into an argument with Maria upstairs and had shot her first and then her brother Noe junior goes upstairs after hearing the shots and he beats him to death with the gun then the mom wrote um Rosario Martinez goes upstairs she gets killed next and then he found the the boys and he made them get cash and Xbox and other valuables from various rooms in the house after he had killed these fucking his family their family and then he

took the boys the Alexis to the basement stabs him to death and murders the other boy while he begs for his life you're the fucking animal yeah and he's admitting like they admitted to all of this oh my god and then he waits for the grandfather to get home and kills him on the porch so they are rebate a rebate and Ramos made off with an Xbox about 550 and cash and jewelry and then they pawned for about 150 bucks and they said it was because they needed money for milk and diapers for their son as well as a car and so she's not being she they don't think she actually killed anyone but they think she was a quote active

participant so she was there like fucking cheering him on holding people down yeah probably um but they both confessed they're both charged with first degree murder held without bail but so he they said they needed it for money but apparently there was tension between Uribe and Maria Martinez because when Maria divorced Uribe's uncle he had a quote lot of anger over how she had treated him but another family member said that the uncle was super controlling of Maria and didn't allow her to take showers put on makeup or leave the house without his permission well so he hates her but meanwhile she's

in this crazy controlling relationship and finally gets out of it so yeah they're they're being charged with first degree murder all the victims are gonna be buried in Mexico the Mexican consulate of Chicago is assisting in moving the bodies back to Mexico that's fucking Chicago in February and I'd never heard of it never heard that's huge also it's fascinating having the you kill six people of your family yeah and you have the foresight to like lock the door when you leave so it like that tiny detail so confusing yeah that you that they would assume all these weird things yeah oh my god the weird detail

to me too is that that he waited for the grandfather to come home because he wanted there to be a couple days in between the bodies being found and he knew that if he just laughed at that killing that grandfather who was probably home every night yeah then he would come home to these bodies and and it would be a quicker fucking discovery I mean so he killed waits for him kills him and locks the doors also what brand of psycho are you when you can kill all those people like I mean it's just it's upsetting to hear about it much less he did it and then like took a break and then did a little bit more so that he

could fucking have what yeah five hundred dollars doesn't make it clearly isn't about that because it doesn't make any sense like you can rob the family without murdering them yeah but I think he went over there with the intention of killing them so he could rob them which if he kills her first by shooting her and then you would think he would stab her because he's so angry with her and then shoot the others wait did they say anything about drugs there was no drugs involved what neither of the hit he neither of them had a record the girlfriend had been arrested once for shoplifting or something like minor

shoplifting wow but it's just yeah it's like you don't even you don't even rob strangers you rob these two kids that you used to go over and play video games with and and be and be friended that were younger than you and you can kill them like that's psychopath that's to me yeah it's like these it's just these crazy circumstances that you become this or are always a psychopath and nobody knows about it yes exactly that family is like come on in oh it's cousin Ricky or the fuck his name is yeah we're gonna do good things yeah we need a good things moment really we need like a good themes theme song so that we so we can

both lay down for a minute I guess my good thing is being yelled outside well being in San Francisco was so much fun wait did it rain while you were up there nose Gord it was actually too hot I know it was like 90 something oh shit but people must have been naked it when when the sun comes out and it's like 78 and serve just go people are like my shorts like it's the funniest thing in the world the first thing we did was get falafels from truly Mediterranean and sit in that's a park called the is it the one that's it up near the hate yeah yeah no not Golden Gate Park anyways no no no but there's a part there's a small

park yeah like if you go down toward the lower hate yeah it was just full of like college kids and and not no clothes and like everyone was getting high and it was just like super sweet yeah yeah so fun so I think that the highlight of my week was that I think that was my first time like getting yelled up by a stranger about the podcast that's the best yeah it was really nice out of car I know thank you to whoever that was what was how about you're at the best moment of your week Karen I mean I have to say that going to watch Never Not Funny Live was awesome because those guys are so hilarious and it was and Edie

McClurg was there she was just there to watch the show she's legendary from you may know her as the high school secretary from Ferris Bueller's Day off yeah I just do that she's so cute she's been in over a thousand movies they were looking at her IMD and talking about her and she's the cutest yes and she got up to walk to the stage because they heard she was there and then they invited her up to say hi and she couldn't see because she was up in the back and it was super dark so I went and got grabbed her hand and walked her up and that's when Jimmy gave us the shout out did he give us a shout out or just say something

about it no he doesn't you know he's like he talks like he's you know like he's always talks like he's a professional radio man oh right so he actually was like Karen Cogara from my favorite podcast and then he's pretending he was mad about it riffing on you it was really awesome that's so sweet yeah that was good but it also made me happy because like after a long day of work sometimes going to a comedy shows like the best thing in the world yeah instead of just going home and be like I'm tired I'm gonna try to watch some show that I will fall asleep no matter what in five minutes going and watching my friends

be hilarious and say the best things and riff shit it like it's it's life affirming plus I know that you're a quick makeup in the car person and I feel like sometimes being forced to put makeup on makes you feel better you know what I mean yes like that's what I do in them like when I go work at cafes during the day now I make myself like I have like eyelash extensions I make myself put on makeup because I will immediately have a better day like feel better about myself yes there was for like five years when I was in my what I like to call now the hermit phase and which is infuriating because anytime I did a

podcast or anything I would remember when I got there oh I'm not they're gonna make me take a fucking picture at the end I always forgot yeah but for a long time I just wouldn't I'd be like what for who cares like home's gonna see me it doesn't matter and and then just recently yeah just to just to go and be somewhere and just kind of feel like I'm out and I'm in the world and I'm of the world yeah putting on some fucking a nice liquid eyeliner yeah nice rosy like like tint lip tint and lip tint that will stay for a couple hours yeah keep you young and fresh looking yeah yeah it's a good Glossier can we get another

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