My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 40 - Squad Gourds

Episode Date: October 27, 2016

My Favorite Murder is the perfect coffee table podcast for you. This week Karen and Georgia unpack the "My Way" killings in the Philippines and the terrible murder of Scott Amedure.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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because I just didn't want her to be sad or have any big feelings. I wonder if she would talk about murder. I feel like she's like not in that headspace anymore. Oh, but I feel like that's what that show was. I mean, like in the beginning, that show was like this man lit his child on fire. Like, let's give him a makeover for real. That show was like, oh, really? Sally, Jesse, Raphael, where we're going to take a one step lower. Yeah. However, there is one episode where club kids are on one of those shows and it's like fucking epic. On Sally, Jesse, I think so. I feel like I've seen like screen grabs from that. Yeah. Anyways, like, go ahead. No. No, I won't.

No, and I just, I just no ended you so hard. Okay. The first thing I would like to talk about is how we, although it is not our birthday, nor is it yet Christmas. You and I? Yes. We got a surprise gift from Steven. I know. And you guys, if you ever want to get me a gift, don't bother because this is the only gift I've ever wanted. Steven brought Georgia and I, the book mysteries of the unknown, the time life series we each have. We talked about last week and then he went on eBay. He must have had to overnight these on eBay. I mean, here's the problem. Spent all the money in the world. The problem is you're so, like, he brought over a bottle, like we were drinking, we drink my whiskey and he brought over a bottle

and like, Steven, no, you're like, we're supposed to be buying you all the shit. Yes. You're our unpaid intern. It's so thoughtful. But I get college credit. At the Sat Scientology. You got me Phantom Encounters. I mean, we're going to co-own these though, right? Because I immediately, the second he handed you yours, I was like, but wait, what's that one? We share these with the universe. That's true. Mine is, except for you guys can't borrow them, mine is Mystic Places. Which was the one in the Google image search. Yeah. That's right. With the pyramid in the eye and the sphinx. Some Illuminati shit. It is. So crazy. This is beautiful. I mean,

I just can't stop staring at it. It's the best gift. Here's one. Here's an article. Here's a page titled Banishing Baneful Ghosts. What? Who came up with that? Just some bullshit time writer who was like so unhappy. Yeah. They were like, I'm so sick of like writing about Nixon and Shakespeare's haunted stage. I'm getting a paycheck. Mine's tracking the Earth's energies and look at this guy who has like those crazy sticks that go in different directions. He looks like he has one of those hats on that have like a pinwheel at the top. Stephen, thank you. Yeah, this is amazing. Stephen Ray Morris from the Percast Podcast. We should actually put these down because now we're reading books on our podcast. Oh my God. That's how good they are. Oh, that was

terrifying. These are, I feel like these were on every coffee table in the 80s. Yeah. Or like, if you went to your boring aunt's house and got stuck, what my mom's classic thing was, sorry, it's adult time. So we would get like banished into the TV room. And then if nothing good was on TV, because there were only four channels, because I'm 67. God bless the house that you went to that had a time life series book on the coffee table. But do you remember those people's houses you used to go to like friends or boyfriend's families when you were like staying for Christmas or whatever? And it was like, you had memorized the one magazine that they had in the bathroom because you went to the toilet to fucking escape just to get away. And so you knew that fucking,

the fucking us weekly from 10 years ago, not 10, like it's more like four. So but it's still somehow crazy outdated. Yes. Like I would have memorized every word of these books as a kid, because I would have just read them over and over again at my aunt's house. That's right. And nothing when I was a child was catered to us. There was a box of toys that were entertaining when we were under three and under. And then it was like, and if something good's on TV, or even if something, my boyfriend's here. Cool writer. We played, I remember this as a kid, like here's what it was like. We played with kitchen utensils under my grandma's grand piano. And you need to shut the fuck up and play with this ladle from 1960 and like pretend it's something.

Yes. Just use your imagination. Our potato masher. Ours was always just go outside because we were like, we're on a farm. There was all kinds of shit you could be doing outside. Everyone has Lyme. Yeah. God, these children are tired. So thank you, Steven. You're the greatest. Yeah, Steven. We really appreciate your angel human couple. Should I just do some Twitter corners? Hell, yeah. Because there's been some great stuff happening on our Twitter page. First of all, Krista tweeted at us because Gary Condat is going to appear on Dr. Phil. Shut up. Uh-huh. He's going to discuss the Chandra Levy murder on Dr. Phil. It took me a minute because I'm so bad with names, but now that all makes sense. Sorry. I should have included both. I'm just trying to

open this link so I can tell you exactly what's going to happen. But I could also ask my friend, because it may have already been taped. Well, so we know that now the person who got, who was suspected of killing Chandra Levy was let go. That's right. And so they're starting to open up that maybe it was Gary Condat, the former senator. Well, they're basically, they exonerated the person who was in jail for the murder. Right. And they have reopened the investigation. Uh, no one's named Gary Condat specifically, but we do know that they've gone back in. They're looking into like basically people who gave him, um, what do you call that? Like I was there. Alibi. Alibis. They're called I was there. They're called the I was theirs.

I was there when he wasn't killing her. I believe. Oh, alibis. Man, those things get shaky after fucking a couple of years. That's right. And it's been quite some time. Oh man. And you know, he's had another affair. And so his wife is like, you know what? Fuck this. Right. He wasn't at home with me watching fucking Matlock. Yeah, I feel that's kind of the, kind of the key to like an old cold case. Totally. Is you get those people who are like, Oh yeah, remember your awesome boyfriend that you would have done anything for in 1985, who is a murderer. And it turns out wasn't all that cold to you. He actually wasn't with me that night. It turned out he also loved to give me the back of his hand across the face often. And he came home that night covered in blood.

He was just, he looked like a tomato. So anyhow, that's going to be on Dr. Phil. I can't find the date, but no, it doesn't matter. That's amazing. The link is on our Twitter feed. Also, the other thing I just wanted to give a shout out because we had been talking last week about how we hate carving pumpkins. Oh, no, what happened? Well, Caroline sent us a picture of the most perfect Halloween jack-o-lantern goals for us. And this is it. It's the tiniest face carved into a pumpkin. And when I saw it, it made me laugh so hard. It's like a, it's like an emote. It's like the size of an emoji and the face of an emoji, like the happy face emoji. It's all I want in life. But then on the here, just pumpkin. So it's basically like this person took a pen and stuck it into a

pumpkin. It's so funny. And then they were like, where's my wine? And where are my Ritz crackers? I'm done. You can laugh out loud, Steven. That's good stuff. So beautiful. Thank you so much, Caroline, because I really loved that to the point where I faved it. And then like the next day went, Oh no, I retweet that. That's awesome. And I couldn't find it. And I this morning before work, I must have spent 20 minutes trying to find this tweet. Can I have a quick, quick pen corner? Please do. Squad gourds, set of goals. Squad gourds? Because a pumpkin is a gourd. Let me explain this. My comedy is like kind of, you know, like it's intellectual. Squad gourds. It's written. Come on. It's reader comment. You gotta. Squad gourds. That's really good. Like give me a hot

minute. Mimi loves it. No, my God. Mimi's crying, laughing right now. You can't see it, but trust. She looks so bored. That's amazing. It's really good. Thank you. Oh, and then the, we got that super awesome. For somebody, I'll find her name right now. Her name is Jessica Hullinger, and she wrote an article for the week called Why I Am a Murderer Now. That was, and I love when people write articles. It's been, you know, there hasn't been a lot, but when they write them and they post photos at other people of, like, Murderino's fan art. Yes. Because it makes, it's so great to get other people's art out there. It's very cool. It's like, it's one huge communal effort, kind of. Yeah. Also, the name of the article is I Am a Murderer Now. I added the why,

because I can't not do that. What did you say? Why I Am a Murderer Now. Oh, that's weird. Well, you know what, so I want to go ahead and give someone that we need to find on the Facebook group credit for making up the word Murderino. Yes. Who is that person? It's a dude, and he's like, hey, I came up with that. So we need to find him. Oh yeah. But someone, people are like, not people. Some people are like, let's get that fucking word in Webster's Dictionary. Okay. I mean, if. Too much for you. I hate stuff like that. But I don't mean for us. I mean that, I mean that the word, that that word means people who are really into true crime. I don't mean, like, from the My Favorite Murder Podcast. I mean, like, the people who are into true crime, like,

who are, who are you? What did you do? I'm a Murderino. I like that. I just feel like, whenever we say the words, like, let's get this going, then there's going to be like, you know, a bunch of people are like, they want us to do it. So let's do it. Which I give, that's kind of stuff is of all the things we should be putting our effort behind. Let's get Trump in the White House. That's the thing that I want everybody to really get feet on the sidewalks about. Karen, people are going to think you're, I posted something today of like Hitler is Trump and like, look at all these photos and someone was like, oh, thank God that I, I thought I heard you last week say that you were voting for Trump and I'm, and I got scared. You know what? If you're

scared, goodbye, because that means you don't have a sense of humor. Yeah. Please. I would say 75% of the things I'm saying are either sarcastic or lying. It's, that's the kind of the jungle of a personality that I have. That's why I love you, man. Squad gourds. Fucking squad gourds, girl. Okay, I have something to talk about. Okay. From Instagram. You had Twitter corner, I have Instagram corner. That's right. All right. I'm sitting at a bar as I do on Saturday night, the roost, which is one of my favorite bars in LA. Very cool place. Dive yes, fuck. Hanging out with my friends and then I like scroll to Instagram and someone tagged me in something and I open it and almost started crying and just turned it to my friend and showed her and she looked at me like, you know,

like one of those dude looks. Yeah. Have you seen this? Oh yeah. You sent that to me. All right. Okay. Well, so pillworm on Instagram, motherfucking got a gorgeous tattoo that says stay sexy, don't get murdered. And am I wrong to say that it looks like, I'm assuming that's a woman. Yeah. Just because that's the usual. I think it's on her like back shoulder. Yeah. But it's like across her back shoulder. Big. Oh, big. I just wonder like, what if it turns out, oh, yeah, no, we were serious about Trump and she's like, oh, fuck, I have this tattoo and it's these awful people are like, oh no, we're racist as fuck. She's like, wait a second. I just write as the tattoo machine is like ding. There you go. $75. It's a beautiful tattoo and it's by a girl named

her under jaw tattoos, J.I.W. tattoos made it. It's like really well done and gorgeous tattoo and I'm like in awe of it. It's beautiful. And I have to say you sent me that picture. My sister sent it to me. Adrian sent it to me and April sent it to me. Like I got it was like ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. There's another one too that I just we can't I have I feel like we have to give credit to because it's like this tattoo that pillworm God is me in my 20s. This tattoo that this other girl is me in my like teens. Yeah. And it's a poke. It's a pokey tattoo that you do when you just and I underneath this beautiful tattoo on my leg are the initials of my best friend from when I was 14. Yeah. With Indian ink. Yeah. And so this girl did that. I'm just going to keep

talking until I find it. Okay. Fuck politeness. She and she said it's a stick and poke. Yeah, I guess it's called. Yeah. And she wrote fuck politeness and stick and poke and her name is Paulina with three a's and an underscore at the end and you can see her tattoo. It's on our it's on a Twitter. Yeah. On Instagram. Yeah. Yeah. Man, it's very cool. I fucking dig it. I mean, it's nice that it's there are things that people really that's resonating and making people feel good and things that they like and that are enhancing their lives. Considering the just the amount of shit that comes out of our mouth that we just don't think twice about. And then like, you know, I'm saying my Trump material is out of your time out again. It comes out of Karen's

mouth. No, I was at the bar and I almost started crying and I'm so fucking honored and it's amazing. It's awesome. Okay. This is a this is like, we'll call this Laura corner because my sister, the lurker called the other Kilgarra, the other white Kilgarra. She loves the Facebook page and goes on there all the time. She's so touched by the fact that there's all these rad people talking to each other, supporting each other, you know, about her, your sister. What's that about her sister, right? No, she's my sister. Yeah, but yes, but also talking to each other. Also nice. They're so fucking nice. I mean, everyone's just cool and chill. So, but she found this and it's her favorite. It's a guy named Dylan who's in the army and he wrote and said,

I'm in the army and I always give a short semi serious statement to the service personnel. I supervise on Friday before we leave for the weekend. Usually I end with something like be safe or don't die. But today I said stay sexy, don't get murdered and then just walked away to a bunch of guys in the military. The funny looks I got made it totally worth it. Just wanted to share that. Love you. Oh my God. Thank you for your service. Oh my God. Thank you. Thank you for all the people you freaked out for their service, but also the idea that we crossed over into a military. Oh, who do you know me? Hi. Hi. That is the coolest. It's so crazy. And oh, I also want to give a shout out. Speaking of everyone being cool and awesome on the Facebook group, the

moderators are fucking they're, you know, amazing. They best they bust their asses getting school of everyone and it's the best. Thank you guys. Yeah. Um, what else? Uh, let me look at my list. I made a list in a font that looks like it's if there is a four or two font. That's what I did because it's tiny and I can't see. You can't see anything. What? Oh, here it is. Go. And we got a lot of people reached out to tell us about this. Uh, because it happened in Sacramento, the woman who was walking up the street with a head on a stick. Did you hear about this story? You didn't? Am I the one telling you first? A head on a stick? Girl. What the fuck, Sacramento? You guys have some fucking ether in there. It's a floodplain and no one has anything to do. Everyone's

just half and shit. They're just hot. You know what I mean? It's like there's, there's fumes coming up from melting asphalt. Do you know what else? Everyone has fucking lime there. I promise you because you run for your full, you run through a field, a cornfield, lime, lime, lime, lime, lime. And then your, your brain goes crazy. It's true. I mean, I can't argue this, but then you put a fucking head on us. So apparently this woman had found a dead body in an abandoned homeless encampment that somewhere, I actually looked it up on a map because I was like, where, where did this happen? Like I, well, I, all I could picture was myself in the late 80s, early 90s, driving all hot and bummed out in Sacramento and then looking over on the sidewalk

and a woman with a head on it. Now, or would you, and here's what my problem is, is I would be the person who would, who would come upon that abandoned homeless encampment and want to search through it? Well, yeah. I mean, yeah, you would, if, if you're like out in the woods or something and then all of a sudden it's like, oh, people lived here, but they're not here anymore. Why? It's like detectiving. You're like, well, there's got to be a note. So seats that show when they were, you know, there, this story, the article I read was limited information. I feel like more, more to come, but it seems like this woman herself is homeless. And the, the first article I read said head on a stick, but then when I looked into it, it was a skull on a stick. So it's not going

to be as totally nightmare town as it seems, like as they were kind of selling it, but still the media was making something seem more, that's crazy. I don't even, but they, in the picture was pixelated. So there's a chance that there was some bad action on that skull. So anyway, I'm very interested to see what the next phase of like, so obviously they took her, she, that everybody saw her walking down the street. Why did she do that? Well, here's my theory is either maybe she was mute or she knew that there would be a communication problem if she said, I found a dead body. She wouldn't be able to express herself correctly. Do you think she was mentally disabled? Well, I don't know. I mean, she's a homeless person and her choice was to put

a head on a stick and walk up the street with it. Leave it there. But also she decided to put a head on a stick and walk up the street. So I think she probably was like, this is going to be the quickest way to get help. And I don't want to touch it. And I'm going to put on a stick. I'm not going to put it on the top of my head. I'm not going to put it on my fist and like use it as a puppet. Oh, no, I'm being disrespectful. No, it's all so bad. Anyway, so we will, I'm going to keep my eye out for that story and what even what all of that is. You know, it's so bananas to me and like of these stories that you hear and then you'll never hear about it again. I know. It's these like this person got killed in a hit and run accident and then you just never hear about it again. Well, the bummer

too is like if this this was an abandoned homeless encampment and somebody died there and who knows what the circumstances were, but the they said the body was had been there for a while. So they you know, they probably won't be able to get a lot of information and then it's just going to be like, yeah, and that's what happens. And like someone hasn't heard from their brother in 15 years. Oh, my God, I'm making myself want to cry. I know. So anyway, there's crime all around us, but especially in Sacramento. Everything's the worst. Just look for the best things in life, get cats, be happy, stay positive, get a dog. The dogs are good too. Should we do our podcast? No. Any other info? Do you have an update? Oh, shirt,

shirt corner. Yes. Oh, it's it's more like shirt corner. No, it's actually good right now. So we're still on Shopify. We're still at my favorite murder shirts.com. Man, this shit is like, it's great. Yeah. So right now we have a new shirt, a new design, even newer. It's like newer and like not like when you've seen before, it's designed by Kat Solin and she sent it to me one random late night and was like, what do you think of this? And I almost started crying because it was so cool. It looks like it looks like you went to camp or you went to like a family reunion and everyone got this shirt. Yes. So it says my favorite murder and there's like mountains and then it says buy your own shit. Get a job. Sorry. It says get a job,

buy your own shit, stay out of the forest, which is from a couple, a few many episodes ago. Yeah. But it's so charming and funny. There's a little forest on it. A little forest. It looks like a fucking camp shirt. It's like you went to camp my favorite murder and then you get 87 and then you got to bring this home. And for the first time ever, there's tank tops. Oh, that's a lot of people wanted those. I know girls are like, I have big boobs and I can't wear a t-shirt. Can I please have a fucking tank top? And I'm like, I never thought of that. I have egg ups. Let's do it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, we need that feedback. So we were sensitive to every cup. Sure. That was too much information. Well, it's a fact of life. And when Hillary Clinton as president,

you're going to have to deal with everybody's cups every single day. That's the truth. This time I'm being sincere. We start every conversation with our cup size and then we move on. All right. It's my turn to go first this week. It's absolutely not. It is. But I don't care. No, no, no. You went first last week. No, I didn't. I went first. I had the eyeball killer. And you went, you're right. Oh, no. Right up to the second. You were positive. I'm telling you, man, I can argue anything. Even I don't know or believe it. I can just, I was telling you, I was like, shit, okay. Me too. This is this one. The reason that I, this is my murder this week is because Guy Branham, a friend of the show,

hilarious comedian, asked me if I'd heard of these killings. And he's good. He's so good. And when he said what they were, I was like, my brain wrote an entire thing of what it meant. Oh, it's one of those names. Yeah. And then, so it takes place in the Philippines. And they're called the my way killings. Okay. So let me paint the picture for you a little bit. It will be a little bit confusing at the beginning, but I'm just going to run down a little information for you and then it'll all become clear. Get at it. Get up into that addict. Okay. So I don't know if you guys know this. I didn't until I started looking into this that Filipinos love karaoke. They fucking love it as a nation. It's basically their national past time.

Okay. Almost every Philippine home has a karaoke machine. They would hate me. Why? Because I can't sing for shit. And I'm scared of karaoke. I'm scared of karaoke. Well, we'll talk about that. Let's make this about me, me, me, me. So every birthday party, every holiday party, and they have so many karaoke and video key, which is a different version of karaoke where you get scored against other people that are doing karaoke that scores you the machine. Holy shit. So it's how many there's another thing that's like that. Maybe it's banned. Jesus Christ. Sorry, just hit my my machines are fucking taken over and judging us now. They are. Oh, guitar hero. It's a little bit like guitar hero where it knows if you're hitting

the right notes or not. So you get a score for video key. So it actually gets very competitive in the bar. So if you're singing, it's whoever's getting the best score on their song. Can we all just chill, please? I mean, so in the Philippines, there's KTVs, which stands for karaoke television. And that bar is wholesome. It's like your whole family can go there. People have parties there or whatever. Okay. They cater to all ages. They serve food. There's private rooms. Then there's regular karaoke bars that are laid back. You have a drink. You embarrass yourself publicly. That's the whole idea of it. Good times. Don't go there if you want to just chill. It's like they're just singing. It's fine. Yeah, exactly. Or it's funny and you're going to

get drunk and whatever. Sometimes there's even a live band to do vocals with. That is awesome. But then there's nightclubs. And they're nightclubs. The thing that are called nightclubs in the Philippines are basically strip clubs with karaoke. And there's exotic dancing. There's back rooms that feature more than just singing. That's directly from an article. What is more than just singing? Well, so basically they have women who work there that they're called guest service officers. I think guest service officers. And they're basically like strippers that are paid to sit with the guys at the tables. They have those in Japan. They're not strippers for sure. But they sit and have a conversation. Like hosts. Yes.

They're hostesses. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to get... So I feel like basically they're trying to get a bunch of things done at once at their nightclub. So they kind of offer all these different things. Like to get people in. Exactly. Yeah. Even in remote villages, families living in bamboo huts will have a karaoke machine in their house. Yeah. Which is because it's amazing. And so the world's first karaoke machine was invented. It was called the Juke 8. And it was built by a Japanese inventor and musician named Daisuke Inui in 1971. But the current patent holder is the Filipino inventor Roberto del Rosario. And he developed the karaoke sing-along system in 1975. So it's basically like it's

their hometown invention. That's awesome. And also everybody has heard of... Because singing is really like a huge thing in the pop culture in the Philippines. You've probably heard of Arnell Panada. But he is the Filipino singer that replaced Steve Perry in the band Journey. He was in a Journey cover band. Oh, yeah. And when Steve Perry had throw stuff and he couldn't tour. And they were looking for their replacement. It's this guy who sounds exactly like Steve Perry. Go to fucking YouTube, man. It's amazing. Out of control. He's incredible. And they found him from... Oh, no. I don't know how they found him. I think his YouTube karaoke of Stephen Perry. Is it? Yeah, Steve Perry. Well, he had a cover. He had a Journey cover band that I think they

somehow, maybe someone sent him video. But there's also the... There's a little girl named Cherise who was Filipino. And her YouTube video was so popular. It got sent to Oprah. And she appeared on Oprah when she's 10. And her singing voice is incredible. Can you lose your... I start crying when I... I don't cry. I start crying when I see this shit, man. Yes. Like little talented kids like that. Oh, like little talented kids who are not trained to be these talented people. You know what I mean? Like aren't trained... It's natural. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You've got to be on Oprah. It's so beautiful. So they say... Basically, so I was looking into like it's why is singing this popular in the Philippines. And just a little background, nearly 50% of the people who live

in the Philippines, and that's estimated at 87 million people, live on less than $2 a day. And many are forced to eke out a living selling scrap and brick-a-brack or begging. A lot of impoverished neighborhoods. The karaoke machine is the one luxury that the whole community gets to enjoy and doesn't do without. So basically, that's their only entertainment. And it's the closest a lot of them get to come to escape besides drinking and whatever. It's like you have a little moment where, you know, you can kind of be good. And also I looked it up. A researcher is there's a Time magazine article that was written in 2013 about the positive effects of singing. No way. And the researchers... I'm just reading from this article thing, but

researchers discovered singing is like an infusion of the perfect tranquilizer that kind of both soothes your nerves and elevates your spirit. You feel elated when you sing, which comes from endorphins, a hormone released by singing, which is associated with feelings of pleasure. And it... you also release oxytocin, which is a chemical that's found to alleviate anxiety and stress. And it enhances feelings of trust and bonding, which explains why more studies have found that singing lessens feelings of depression and loneliness. A very recent study even attempts to make the case that music evolved as a tool of social living. And the pleasure that comes from singing together is our evolutionary reward for coming together cooperatively instead of hiding

alone in a cave by yourself. Wow. That is fucking heavy and intense and crazy and like makes me want to sing a lot more to myself. It's also make me... when I read that, I was like, oh, that's why I immediately start crying when I hear like gospel music when like amazing or amazing choral music or like musicals. Well, when I go to like a temple, the rare times I go to temple and we sing these songs in a language I don't understand, but I know what it means. And we all know the words in Hebrew, which is fucking crazy because I don't speak Hebrew. It's just beautiful. Like it feels... yeah, it feels like community. Yes. Yeah. And that feeling, it's like it's doing the work for you, where being there and being submerged in that sound is bonding you to those people that you're

doing it with. It's very cool. I'm gonna not hide my voice next time, Vincent. I are driving and he puts a song on that I know because I'm like, sing really quietly. No, go for it. Yeah. Who cares? I mean, because that's the other thing is I've always been like a big loud... I came up on like the Annie Cast album. Yeah. So like just big loud nose singing has always been my thing. But it's very... it's also, I think, part of... for me, singing is so embarrassing because it's so personal that once you do it, I think people respond to it because they know how hard it is. It's like public speaking or anything else. I'm amazed and I've seen you sing and I'm amazed. I can't... I'm so in awe of people who can draw things that don't look like nothing close to what it's

supposed to be and people who can sing. It's just... it's amazing to me. Yeah. When I first started singing though, doing songs on stage, I would say the first 15 times I did it, it was very quiet. Like I couldn't breathe very well and it was just so... but I just kept doing it anyway somehow. I don't know why. That's life. Anyway, off of me, unfortunately, I'm going to change the subject off of myself and... all these factors are part of that cultural phenomenon. Basically, these people are figuring out how to self soothe and it's like life is really hard. There's a lot of people have it hard and live. It's also a very violent place. There's a ton of illegal guns there. There's a lot of machismo culturally,

a lot of fighting and it's so... so there's the need for that kind of release valve. Yeah. And that's where they find it, which is actually really beautiful. Totally. So all of these factors contribute to a disturbing phenomenon that's taken place in the past decade. There have been over a dozen murders of people singing the song My Way. Stop your fucking face. Are you fucking kidding me? I swear to God. To that song. Oh my God. To that song. Losing my mind. Like you said that everything leading up to this was beautiful. I really led you down the stony path. You won't really. I thought I was like, and then Venter got killed. I did not expect the craziest thing I've ever heard. I'm so excited. Isn't it so good? It's so good. When Guy said that to me, he was like,

have you heard of the My Way murders in the Philippines? I was just like immediately like, please let there be a serial killer that goes around to karaoke bars and only kills people in their car after the whatever. You know what I was going to say? I was going to say, I didn't know what it was going to be. And I was like, oh, My Way must be a place in fucking the Philippines. My Way Philippines. You know, it's like, that's how you say it. It's gonna be that. Oh, this is so much more intriguing. It's so good. I mean, it sucks. I'm so sorry for everybody. It's rough. So on May 29th, 2007, a 29 year old karaoke singer of the song My Way, and it's if you haven't heard it, it's the Frank Sinatra hit from 1969. It was written by Paul

Anka. And it's basically a biographical song. It was written for Frank Sinatra. It's just basically like my career has been like this because I fucking did it My Way. Yes, it's been hard, but also I kicked ass and it's super braggy, braggadocio. It's basically a go fuck yourself to everyone. Fuck yourself. I did it My Way, right? It's a bit selfish. But also fuck you, Frank Sinatra. He's a dick. I hate that guy. Do you hate Frank Sinatra? I think he's a dick. Well, I love him. And so now we're gonna fight. Read what he did to fucking Mia Farrell. Oh, no, I know. Yeah, that's rough stuff. Okay, sorry. No, no, it's okay. So a 29 year old karaoke singer of the song My Way at a bar in San Mateo Rizal was shot dead as he sang the tune by the

bar's security guard who was arrested after the incident. According to reports, the guard complained that the young man's rendition was off key. And when the victim refused to stop singing, the guard pulled out a 38 caliber pistol and shot him dead. So this is the other thing about the song My Way. It's pretty hard to sing because it's in this weird key where it's low, it goes up high. But there's when you're in the low part, especially if you're drunk, it's like, but there is a casual drunkenness to it to the way Frank Sinatra sings it that it's just like an I actually don't care that much about the you know, yeah, it's almost talk singing in certain and it's it's very it's like a long song. Yeah, it's it's draggy and it's sad. It could be like

depressing if you're in a bar drinking just want to fucking hang out. Right, exactly. So it's actually become such a problem that it that song has been taken off of most karaoke bar song lists because people don't want the problem. They don't want already I'm freaked. I thought it was one guy who's going around doing this. It's just like, okay, it's basically it's a thing that causes people to fight and murder. Dude, dude, I'm going to lose so fucking crazy. Okay. So there was actually an article in New York Times about it and the writer asked are the killings the natural byproduct of the country's culture of violence, drinking and machismo or is there something or is there something inherently sinister about the song? We're just kind of funny like

it's a cursed song that you will die at the end or you know, it was one the first person who was mentally unstable who brought us 38 to work and killed a guy and then everyone else is copying him. Yes, next. So anyways, moving. Sorry. Well, but no, it's a good theory. Most of those karaoke bars that I was describing to you earlier are really violent places anyway. It's like people are going there to blow off steam. They're going there to get shitfaced. Yeah, there's a lot of steam to be blown off. Okay. And so there's there's lots of fights anyway. So there's nefarious people who have who are there anyways. Yes, but they often fight over bad singing and the singing of boring song. I could see that. And they so they're saying it could just reflect the popularity of

the song combined with the popularity of karaoke combined with the violent and the competitive nature too of it. That's exactly right because that one video gear or whatever it literally scores you. So you're in a bar. You're trying to have a good time on a Friday night. You've got the hired gals here and the real gals over here and you're going up there and you're trying to be cool. You don't want to suck. And in your drunk mind, I mean, how many times you've been to karaoke where someone's like, I'm going to sing like what if God was one of us or something where you're like, please do that to us. Fuck you. I know you're showing off. Sing something with your fucking friends. Don't sing Nora Jones at a karaoke bar. You can't sing like Nora Jones. Yeah.

Just get get some should I stay or should I go? Let people have a good time. Cars always good. Cars. Blondie is probably always good. Blondie cars. Just shut the fuck up. Don't take fucking Fiona Apple. Yeah. Yeah. Don't bring that. Don't bring that sadness to your own door. No. Don't bring me down. No. Another great song. All right. So I lost my spot. Keep talking and naming songs people should sing if you want. No. Shit. This is all repetitive. What was the second murder? Tell me the second murder. I'm going to first tell I'm going to tell everyone in the meantime. Yeah. About I did the thing where I click and it flicks me back to the top and then I lose my spot. The only time I've done karaoke where I was like, that was the fucking coolest is I did

it at a bowling alley in Eagle Rock and they happen to fucking have dead canardies on there. They happen. It was kill the poor, which is like not it wasn't like the guys that sarcasm just in case. Yeah. It was no, no, no. It was a song called kill the poor. No, I know. Okay. I'm sorry. I fucking killed it. Like I already knew those songs because I was 14 and obsessed with dead canardies. Yes. I just fucking I had a couple beers already. But people went crazy. My three friends that were there and the rest of the empty bar. Yeah. Like, yeah. They're like high five. Yeah. That's the opposite of the one of the few times I've done karaoke is my friend put my name in without telling me. Oh, fuck you. And you know what song she picked for me? Oh, no. Nothing compares to you. That's kind

of cute though. No, it isn't. Because talk about my way. It's a dirge. It's just like you're right. You're right. Yeah, but listen to that. How could you say that? No, no, it doesn't matter. You can be like. I'm sorry. Everyone's going to tweet at us right now and be like, yeah, but Karen, that was better than I've ever sounded in my life. Stop. Here's the thing. You can you can. I agree. You can have the best singing voice in the world. Don't do it to us. It's that she that was basically like a prank song. It's I am you should be able to murder people if they put your name down without you knowing it on the back. That is unacceptable. Yeah, that's yeah. Actually, I just shouldn't have gone, but

it was one of those things where there were so few people in the room. Karen Karen Karen Karen and then they're like, good up there. What you're committing. You're supposed to have a sense of humor. You can't trust us. Here's the thing. There's such a problem with violence in karaoke bars that they actually hire gay men or transsexual men. They call them baklas and they're they are there to diffuse the undercurrent of tension with the male patrons of karaoke bars because they're not seen as rivals for the women and they're not seen as rivals for the singing. So they're beautiful and they're there and they it's basically drag queen comedy like they come in and make jokes and like it all it basically keeps the tension down. That's

that's beautiful. It really is nice. But it also is kind of funny that that's the amount of competition and tension in those bars is so extreme that that happened. You know, in the very beginning of the story, they sounded so chill and it sounded like families were there. Well, yeah, but no, but there are places in this world. There's got to be checky cheeses that are fucking dangerous, man, that fucking in somewhere in in the Inland Empire, New Jersey or the Inland Empire. We're fucking that's where mobsters meet. Yeah, you don't want it. You one bad drunk dad near the pizza station and you're like, Oh, this is a ruin Saturday. And then he gets fucking cement shoes and gets thrown to the ball pit. Oh, the mafia guy. Yeah. Sorry. Here's a really good quote.

And I will wrap it up here. No, I love it. This guy is this guy that got interviewed for that New York Times articles said in the Philippines life is difficult, difficult. And he is a man who prepares watches at a street kiosk. There's government corruption. It's a weak economy that's driven a lot of Filipinos to work overseas. His own wife is a maid in Lebanon. And so he says, but you know, we have a saying, don't worry about your problems. Let your problems worry about you. Yeah, that's right. So that's they're just trying to deal. I also there's just a couple on the Wikipedia page. They had other video karaoke rage incidents in other countries, which is kind of funny. Just saying it's not some people get really competitive about karaoke. There have been several

reported cases of singers being assaulted shot or stabbed mid performance, usually over how the songs are sung. In Malaysia, a man in 2008 in a coffee shop was performing and he hogged the karaoke microphone so long that he was stabbed to death by other patrons plural. Oh, and everyone had a knife on them. Yeah, what if I was like butter knife butter knife. So it's like took forever to stab. And this is rough in Thailand. A man was arrested because he shot eight of his neighbors to death, one of whom was his own brother in law, because they were singing take me home country roads repeatedly and terribly. We've talked about my ex roommate who just sang moon shadows. I played the bass and sang moon shadows just into the night. I'm being followed by a moon shadow that song.

Wait, what's the other one? Yeah, that one over and and she was a bass player. So she was playing it on bass like it wasn't even guitar. Oh, my God. So I get it. Yeah, I murdered her. A man hacked two other men to death with a meat cleaver over a fight over a karaoke microphone in China one time. Who the fuck knew? I mean, it's it's pretty intense. I mean, I get it. I get angry at karaoke when I get an evite to a friend, a friend's birthday party at a karaoke, like private room. Yes, like I don't want it. I want to go sit at the bar and talk to you. Yeah. And you don't want to watch you sing ABBA bad and like drink so much sake that I have a headache. Yeah. Yeah. And and pay $18 for chicken wings. Well, be grateful that you live in a country where you

basically don't have to sing karaoke all the time because it sounds like that's kind of just what people do. Oh, that's true. It's like you can't be like, no, I'd rather go bowling. No, everyone's like bowling. That's not a thing here. Are you crazy? We don't do that. I mean, can we start skeeballing instead of karaoke? Do you know how happy that would make me? Do you know how shot you would get? Anyway, yeah, that's my murder. I'm done. That I love that. It's pretty good, right? I would have never known about that. I know me either. But I really have to admit, I really did want it to be just one guy in like a trench coat who would watch you sing my way and then kill you in the parking lot. Well, we're going to write this Nicholas Cage. Are you available?

I feel like you might be. I have a sinking sensation. You're going to be a gritty cop, a gritty ex cop hired as a security guard. Where's Willem Defoe? Where's Willem Defoe coming? Where is he? He's doing a lot of Snickers commercials right now, but I think we could get him on this project. We are just hard workers. It's your time to shine. All right, mine's, um, I think this this episode is a pop culture episode. Okay. And we actually touched on this and I didn't, I didn't go as deep into this earlier as I wanted to because I was like, we're getting into my murder territory. All right, Karen. Yes. 1995. I remember. Do you remember what you used to do when you'd come home from school or when you'd wake up at 3 p.m. and

you'd sit down with a bowl of cereal? Karen, would you watch daytime talk shows like Maury Povich? Yes. And like Jenny Jones. Thank you. Yeah. And for example. Yeah. Jenny Jones. Yeah. All right. So this, this, I want to, I feel like a lot of young listeners who don't know what it was like back then. Before your reality TV shows, we had, uh, daytime talk shows that were introducing us to interesting characters and fucked up things. And it was all salacious and shitty and tawdry, but it was fascinating and amazing and sometimes great. Um, some of the things. And sometimes there'd just be makeovers. So there would be, uh, I wrote like a couple of things, uh, lie detector cheating. So like a guy would come out and they're like, are you

cheating on me? Lie detector. Yeah. Uh, out of control teens. Just love that. Send him that boot camp. Send him a boot camp. Right in their face. Yeah. Scream in their face. And then I wrote fucked up makeovers. Cause I was like, you don't trust like a mom cause you're wrong. And they always rhymed. They always rhymed. And then there would be a weird entrance where they would walk down like a fake catwalk at the end. Oh yeah. But to me, I was always like, I liked you better when you had that weird leopard print tank top. You look so boring now. Yeah. Um, yeah. That and then the audience would just scream shit. It was just like a free for all. Yeah. And it was fun. Good good times. And we watched the shit out of that. Yeah. Um, so one of those people that had a show

because everyone was getting them at the time, but I actually liked the show a lot was the Jenny Jones show. And Jenny Jones had been, I don't know, an actress and a singer. Jenny Jones was a stand up comic. I will just slide this one in. Please. Uh, who was on she, um, and she always wore a tiny blue sequin dress for her sets. She had really big blonde hair. She was basically kind of like the cheesecake stand up comic girl that was like, I look like this, but no, I'm gonna, no, I'm gonna get real and tell you stuff like this. So it was like, she would be quote unquote playing against her own type. Sure. In her stand up comedy. Well, thank you for doing my research because I totally meant to do that. No problem. Yeah. So all right. Um, a lot of fucked up a

lot of fucked up episodes. Hold on. Let's get to March 6 1995. When an episode was taped, that was pre the premise was people revealing their crushes. All right. So one guy named Jonathan Schmitz who's 26, he's brought in under the guise of someone has a big secret crush on you and the crush will be revealed on stage. Okay. I just have to say in a setup like this, I feel like this is everyone's dream come true. Like, isn't that we all wanted to be on this stuff of like, but even aside from being on TV, the idea of someone going, someone likes you. I've been obsessed with you and I'm, I'm crazy about you. Like when your friend goes, Oh my God, you know who likes you. Yes. Isn't that like basically a high point of life? That's kind of

like totally what we all live for. When you find out and it's like, I don't know. I feel like this is so 90s and, and such a like, we passed notes. We didn't have writing on people's message boards and text social media. Yeah. We, we passed notes and we passed rumors and gossip through our friends and there was no other way of fucking handling it. Exactly. You couldn't find out what anybody was doing or where anyone was going was all gossip, all gossip. Um, what the producers didn't tell Jonathan was that the actual name of the show was same sex crushes revealed. They didn't tell him that Jonathan was straight. So he goes on the show as he says out of curiosity. He later claims that the producers implied that the, that the admirer was a woman. So they didn't, they didn't

keep him in the dark. They told him as a woman, although they claim they didn't tell him that. Um, and they told him that he would meet the girl of his dreams. Oh, so he's on stage and they're like building it up as they do. I mean, these shows were great at doing this kind of thing. Yeah. And the secret admirer comes out and it's Scott Bernard. Um, and God, I meant to look this up and juror and he was in acquaintance of Schmitz. They had lived near each other in Lake Orion, Michigan. Um, and when Scott comes out, he revealed, he reveals his crush to Jonathan. Jonathan is visibly shaken and embarrassed apparently and states that he's heterosexual and, but he laughs it off and he's amiable. And then, uh, Scott goes on to tell the audience

about a fantasy that, uh, involved Jonathan and whipped cream and strawberries and champagne. Um, and then that's when Jonathan becomes enraged. Um, on camera. Uh, I think in his heart. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Not on camera. So this, and, and so another thing for like 1995, we've been able to understand is that that homophobia was fucking, I know it seems like we're in a different place now, but homophobia was hard fucking core. Also it was, it, it was completely okay culturally for people to be homophobic. It was crazy. Even if you weren't homophobic, making gay jokes was okay. It happened constantly. Yeah. And there was no, um, there were no voices to say, Hey, go fuck yourself or you're in the wrong or anything like that. This isn't

okay. This is, you don't understand the prevailing attitude was like, that's funny or that's, that's something to mock or that's something disgusting or it's, you know, it's, it's a very different time. And that's not that long ago, which is so troubling. And so that, you know, in 1991, um, Paul Broussard, who was a, uh, 27 year old Houston area banker, died after a gay bashing incident outside of Houston nightclub where nine high schoolers beat and stabbed him to death. And this was what life was like back then. You can't not mention Matthew Shepard in 98, 1998. That was 98. 98. He was beaten, tortured and left to ultimately die in Laramie, Wyoming. So this was, this wasn't a like, you know, we'll make fun of gay people time.

This was a, if you're in certain parts of the country and certain people want to fuck with you and you're gay, you know, I mean, I'm not to say that it doesn't happen now as well. But there's such, it's just a totally different, there are people who will speak up against it everywhere you go. Yeah. There's a shift of understanding that, that, and a shift of identity of like, of people that are saying all those, all the prevailing attitudes of like, this is a deviance as opposed to, no, I am your relative. I'm your brother, your friend. Um, it's people that you know, this isn't some aberration that it's like, um, it's not an affliction. It's who you, it's a, it's an identity. And also it's the majority of the popular, not the majority of the

population, but it's an even amount. There used to be a, like there was a government, an old, old government projection that said 10% of the population was gay when it's way, way higher. So it's just that thing of like, uh, you know, it's, it's an educational process that's taken us forever. And it's great. I mean, as much as I fucking hate the internet, it's like, there's, you would never have known what a huge population of people who are way fucking different than you and every way are out there unless, you know, you had that, the internet. Right. And people have a voice now. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck yeah. So let's cut back to three days after the taping. Um, and Scott leaves a suggestive note on Jonathan's, uh, Jonathan's house.

Um, Jonathan finds the note and withdraws money from the bank, purchases a shotgun, and then went over to Scott's mobile home. He questions, uh, Scott about the note and then Jonathan goes back to his car, gets his gun and goes back to the trailer. He shoots Scott twice in the chest with a 12 gauge buckshot at such close range that paper wadding from the shotgun shell ended up on Scott's heart while a fragment of the other shells casing entered his left lung. So like, this is a look at me while I'm fucking killing you situation. Um, after killing, uh, Scott, Jonathan leaves the residence and he calls 911 and confesses. Wow. Yeah. Okay. So, um, um, let's see. Okay. During the trial, he is arrested during the trial. It's stated that, um,

Scott's friend, Scott's friend says that after the taping of the Jenny Jones show, Scott and Jonathan actually went out drinking together and had an alleged sexual encounter. So it's possible this whole thing. I mean, that's, that's a weird element to it. They don't talk about a lot in a lot of these articles. It's alleged that's hearsay. Yeah. Yeah. It's hearsay, but it's hearsay that, that's, yeah, it kind of, it puts the, it puts the level of anger into, and it makes a little more sense to me, you know, yeah, or it could be a lie. It could be a lie to justify. No, no, no, but this is, this is Scott's friend. This is the guy who gets killed friend said that that they went out together that night. Okay. Okay. No, no, I'm just, I'm just saying,

alleged is a big word. Yeah. So he's found guilty of second dirty murder in 1996, sentenced to 25 to 50 years in prison, convictions overturned upon a retrial, found guilty of the same charge, once again, sentence reinstated. Um, in 1999, Scott's family sues the Jenny Jones show, telepictures and Warner Brothers for the ambush tactics and their negligent role that led to the death of Scott. The jury found that the Jenny Jones show was irresponsible and negligent, and that the show intentionally created an explosive situation without due concern for the possible consequences, which is like a fucking every reality show right now too. Um, the Michigan jury found the Jenny Jones show negligent and responsible for the events

they gave Scott's family over 25 million, um, 6.5 and funeral costs and burial, five million and four, um, the pain and suffering and 10 million each for loss of com, uh, companionship and compensation. But the judgment was later overturned by the Michigan court of appeals in a two to one judgment and the Michigan Supreme court declined to hear the case. So then they never had to pay that money? No, it wasn't Jenny Jones's and it wasn't their fault, you know, although there was apparently a letter saying that, uh, was, I don't know, it seems like they didn't fucking tell him what, what he was expecting. And, uh, you know, so it's, there's a, so they're at fault and the

producers decided not to air the show, but you can see it on the court TV's coverage of the trial and it's also featured in an HBO documentary called talked to death. Oh, but man, wow, so fucking sad, isn't it? Well, also it makes me think, cause you, you said, um, like that I could happen again, but I bet you after that a shit ton of rules were put into place by production companies that were like, and if you do this, you have to do this, like, um, just like say something like on Mori Povich or whatever. Like I'm sure all those other really exploitive Sally Jesse cheaters, like cheaters recently. Yeah. Yeah. Cheaters was crazy. I used to watch that all the time,

but I mean, that's like kind of stabbed. Yeah. Yeah. The host got stabbed. Yes. That's right. You know what I've always had a problem with is so you, when you're on a TV show or you're going to be in an area where there's taping, you have to sign a, you know, a waiver saying you're okay with your, your, you know, your image, but you know, I bet they had him sign that before this happened. No, here's the thing. Tell me everything you know. Here's what I know. Yeah. Is that it's only in certain states that you have to do that. And, um, cause there's certain states where like in New York city, you can film, you can walk down the street and film and you're, and you're fine in California. You can't do that. So in California, like when we would, uh, like on jobs I've had,

you have to stick signs up. Now in New York, you have to do the same thing. You have to put up a sign that says you're about to walk past a rolling camera or whatever. Do process basically. Exactly. But in California, you have to have waivers. So if you, if we would do man on the street stuff and there'd be a lady that would walk behind the interview and then go blah, blah, blah. It was something great that you wanted to use. You'd have to have PAs run down to get that lady to make sure she signed or you could not use the footage because basically the footage then becomes the proof. You know what I mean? Like they have a, uh, uh, open and shut case that like, yeah, you film me and I didn't say you could and I, you don't have the paper that says I said you

could. So you can't use it. So what about when you worked on like talk shows and you had guests that would come in, like they signed ship beforehand, like that anything you say can be aired. You can't go back and be like, I didn't expect this question to be asked of me and I don't want this on, on TV. Well, no, you, they do do that. Like ask questions that they, they weren't either prepped for or whatever, but that's more, that goes into like a more of a celebrity thing. They would, I don't think they do that too. Um, like human interest guests that much, but in the celebrity world where they're like, okay, this is the person that just had the affair and it's in the news and everyone knows this person just had the affair. And so the publicist

is like, you will not be talking about the affair and the producer's question. We're fucking leaving. Exactly. And then the producer goes, of course we won't, of course we will. And then when they're sitting there, everybody makes that call. They literally make that call where they're just like, ask the question. The question gets asked. The celebrity answers the question because they're in that situation where they're, what are they going to do? And they don't want to be rude. And the publicist goes bat chip bananas backstage. I've seen this. I mean, like that, uh, I haven't, it's not like I've been in those gotcha situations. I've never worked on gotcha shows like that, but that is a thing that's done where then it becomes a political

thing, but usually between the publicist and the show where it's like, I will never come back. None of my clients will come here. I will pull this. And it becomes like this is this worth losing all those clients because Angelina Jolie said, whatever the fuck about her marriage, it's worth it. Let's just do it. It's worth it. It's worth the ratings. We will be the first people to have had the word on this. And then the publicist sees that the movie that they're making gets way more fucking people watching because they saw this thing. I can't deal with it. It's crazy because that it really is that thing where that whole world of like bad publicity is is there's no such thing as bad publicity because it really is true with the way social media is

and the way the digital world has changing entertainment. Yeah. That kind of stuff is like there are people that plant their own gotcha stuff because they know it's the same thing of like how the Kardashians call the paparazzi on themselves. We're going to be here. It's that thing where people when you people have learned over time that being in that victim stance actually can be good for your career. And so they'll do it or they'll set it up. Like if they feel that this is a question they weren't expecting and they're being suddenly open and honest when really they fucking knew it was going to happen and then they get played as the victim. But they magically handle it so well that suddenly the public who you know it's kind of that I know it wasn't I don't think

I shouldn't say I know I do not know for a fact but I'm pretty sure when Hugh Grant went on Leno to talk about when he got caught with Divine Brown and he was married and all that stuff the way he handled that go back to 95. Right. Was it around them. He handled that so beautifully because it was like he basically went blushing and like yeah I'm sorry and bad whatever and it's the thing that up until that point any publicist would tell an actor in that position you can't go on a talk show or if you do they will not talk about this that whatever and instead suddenly we see how this situation can be handled in a different way and and you can turn an entire culture back onto your side. And so basically this is just one more Karen ruining TV for

everybody but but it's that good like these things are strategized and planned out so much more than anybody thinks. It makes me ill and it's the reason why I yell at the TV all the time. I can't I cannot watch late night talk shows. I can't watch those interviews. It makes me want to scream. Hey Karen I heard you went to the fucking beach lately. Oh my god that's so funny you bring that up because it's weird. Yeah and the weirdest creepiest part I'm not acting anymore. Yeah no we're done. The weirdest creepiest part is there are people that are so good like you can watch people who have done the same story on more than one. And they look like they're just like oh my god I'm just I'm just remembering this. Oh that's right that birthday was so crazy

where you're just like oh this is just what this is a completely orchestrated conversation. Nothing is real. Nothing is real. Speak for yourself. Speak for yourself. Question authority. Timothy Larry goodbye. No I'm on acid right now. No I just can't I just can't it's not reality it's not real and it scares me. It's not TV it's HBO. What? 95. Why did they get a plug? We've been plugging so much at that time magazine. Check out time magazine everybody. Gord's they don't fucking they haven't paid us to plug them fucking pumpkins. Oh man. Guys that was you know what I like that because it was like kind of different still on theme but then we we both took it in a little bit of a different direction.

No children got killed this episode. That's right that's rare. Could we just aim for that once a month? I'm sorry yeah just once a month kind of fucking child. Did you see somebody made an I'm sorry where they made the I'm really small it was basically like the visual and it was perfect because it that's exactly what sorry yeah that's good stuff um all right we've done it again we've done it uh yeah wait this is episode 40 high five yeah yeah episode 40 yeah oh my god look at us go that's crazy Karen I'm proud of us I'm proud of us too we've been friends for 40 weeks here's to 20 more no no there's the one week I got married and your mom died oh that's right I'm sorry I'm sorry I got married we've been friends for 39 weeks that was the realest week of all though

and we were so casual about it sorry you guys we're not because we didn't have any there's nobody March fan nobody here in March I was like this is a thing yeah no one cared they're like I'm like that girl from that thing and that girl from that thing yeah oh listen um we have to tell each other one good thing from this week oh good idea you go first because I can't think of anything well always forget that part um my my thing is that uh I really reconnected with Mimi my cat Mimi what I know it's so stupid like suddenly I like I'm obsessed with Elvis he's my fucking why are you laughing at me it's true because you're taught you're as you're telling me you're petting Mimi like an exact but you're it's a little Dr. Evilly or you're like my

we got eye to eye and brain to brain uh can I plug my their Instagram it's Elvis and Mimi sure in Instagram and she's just I I've always been scared to love her because I thought Elvis wouldn't love me anymore for it wow I know I'm fucking insane I have what's it called that when your cats but I have worms in my head toxoplasmosis thank you Stephen feline eight um and then suddenly I realized what a sweet angel she is and Elvis gives zero shits about anything but cookies it's very true we're good um it was nice to like it's been nice to I love cats go on they're pretty great yeah these ones are sweet they like you guys which is rare for them not not for people to like you but yeah that's pretty ripped I'm sorry okay um this whole time I've been scrambling in my

head okay this fine I'll just do anything this is honest this is at least I'm being honest the shirt I'm wearing right now is my favorite shirt I've ever owned in my life it looks amazing thanks um it's just a salmon and navy striped uh shirt that I got at crossroads Stephen um you look like like a hot pirate hey but the pocket I there's something about it it like reminds me of high school it reminds me of all these things it's really weird the thin I like I appreciate the thinness of it and yet it's super comfortable substantial yeah and it's a little tiny bit blousy but then it also it's just it's working for me in every way to the point I noticed your boobs earlier it's the thing I do as an acupper drapey it's like they you know it's like oh she's womanly

but she's not trying to throw it in my face that's right I actually covered up to make you want it more it's a very Victorian of the more layers you put on the more I'm like what could be under there I'm gonna start wrapping a scarf around my neck and then you're going to be so into me and then I'm gonna be like is her does her neck fall off when I unwrap that skirt you mean that Halloween story scary stories to tell Stephen what is it scary stories to tell in the dark Stephen's having nervous breakdown you know what Stephen's saying right now to us with this laughing this hysterical laughing is end this fucking podcast you guys are out of your mind stop talking about everything scary stories to tell in the dark don't even look it up Stephen I got this you take off

the necklace and never take my scarf never take my neck and then her head falls off and she says I told you not to take it and then he puts it on the stick and he walks down the street of Sacramento with it you guys thank you so much for listening we love you we're totally insane stay sexy please oh don't get murdered great review subscribe on on Instagram I mean where Elvis Elvis save us do you want a cookie you want cookie you want cookie bye bye we both get shot oh my god