My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 41 - Live from EW Popfest

Episode Date: November 3, 2016

This week was recorded live from the Entertainment Weekly Popfest 2016. Karen and Georgia share Hollywood tales of murder including Lana Turner's dark family secrets and the Wasp Woman, Susan Cabot. Plus a hometown murder picked right from the studio audience!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Good. I hope you guys have been having fun at the other events and there's still more to come tonight. But I am so excited to welcome this next show because it's actually my personal favorite favorite show and I'm sure I'm hoping there's a lot of murderinos in the crowd because I am one. All right, so without further ado, I am so pleased to welcome my favorite murder with Georgia Heartstock and Karen Kilgirff.

What is this? Where are you going? What is this? Where are we? This is our stage show. Karen's going to... I'm going to do a song by JoJo right now. I know you wish you could be outside watching her and supporting her.

Was that really JoJo? Yes, it was. I thought you were kidding. I never joke about JoJo. I can't. I thought it was like, that's JoJo. No. I don't know who anyone is.

You guys are so cute, all of you. Hi. Thanks for... Did you have to wait in a line and stuff for this? That's so important. We're super into that. Yeah. We should have made them wait longer.

I mean, I do have to pee, but whatever. Do not do it. They're like, haha, no. Start it now. She's crying. Hurry up and start. This is really freaking rad. Guys, this is weird because we never sit in chairs like this.

We're not used to being directors of any kind. Very bright. It's bright. It's cold. Is it cold? Are we in Antarctica or something? Sweating. No, I'm sweating.

Are you really? Have you noticed that this entire day that's like raining, I haven't had a jacket on? I have noticed, but I didn't want to criticize you. Criticize me. I'm fucking... I'm always hot. What's your deal? Hold on a second before the murders.

JoJo, what's your medical problem? You know, I mean, where do we start? I write. I mean... Let's start with sciatica and end with chronic anxiety. For fun. Is Steven here? Yay!

There's Steven Ramirez. There he is. That's our regular sound engineer. Yay. He's blushing. Look at him. Look at him. He's got you.

Try to grab his mustache. Is Elvis here? Someone do the meow. I'll be really quick. Yay! Beware if he came walking up this aisle. How did you get down here, Uber? We say the word cookie.

It's always like, is he going to come out here? I was going to put cross-eyed on this cat shirt that I'm wearing, but I didn't. I'm not even... I just didn't. You just didn't. Too sick. So I'm supposed to breathe into the microphone all the time? Yeah, definitely exhale.

That's what JoJo does. She sings a line, she inhales, and then it's just a big sigh of how hard show business is. This is rough. You guys... I'm good. We're honored to be here. If you're not sure if you wandered in and you're from Denmark, this is the podcast, My Favorite Murder, where we, JoJo Hardstark and I, Karen Kulgarov, talk about our favorite

murders tell each other true crime stories that we like. We don't necessarily say research them 100% or we're not trying to be experts of any kind. Most people that are into this stuff really are experts. God bless their souls. They let us know when we fall down. They sure do. They sure, sure do.

But listen, if you're here to have a good time, then you've come to the... Come to a place. You've come to a really cold, bright place. You might be dead. Which is thematically appropriate. Do you ever wonder that when you start walking? Like I was walking up here and I'm like, this can't be real. I'm probably dead.

Again, chronic anxiety. Possible. Although it would be a huge relief. Then I couldn't do anything wrong. Do you ever get into a situation and you're like, what's the most embarrassing thing I could do right now and get scared that you're going to do it? For sure. What's yours right now?

Well, we were just back, no brag. We were just back in the, I like to call it the Heineken Lounge. It's where they keep, it's like the green room where they keep talent before they go and do their panels. So we don't have to talk to anyone. So we kind of stood there with our purses on our shoulders, super uncomfortable like. And my thing in that situation is like, you think you know somebody. So you're like, Hey, it's not them.

Like that in the Heineken Lounge would have been death. My thing is they then don't know who I am that I've met them. Like it just happened actually when I was like, Hey, and then I had to go Georgia. Like I saw the look on her face. And I was like, Oh God, I've been there, but we've met like 17 times. You should maybe know who I am. Yeah, but nobody does. That's just perfect.

I'm not special. I'm not either. Listen, if you're not special, neither am I. But then when someone does see you and gets this like like Aaron Gibson from throwing shade. I was here pretty soon. Yes. She saw me and and like opened her arms or a face lit up and I was like, thank you so

much. Like her. Oh my God. She was wearing a lot of eyeshadow though. So maybe it was just that. She thought I was someone else. It was just covering her. She was wearing a lot of eyeshadow in her eyeballs.

Once she once she wiped her irises away. She was like, Oh, I don't know. Yeah. Who the fuck is that? Bye. Aaron, Brian, Sophie, thank you. Fucking God, we're like, hi. We're very kind to me.

Yeah. No, you you were okay. Thank you. I get scared. A lot of funny comedians that you told me that you had news about your dad, but you wanted to save it until we were doing this. I did. And I wrote dad and RV and here's the reason.

Okay. So okay, we're doing the Chicago podcast festival soon and I'm big timing and bringing mom and her boyfriend along because they never go on trips and it's like that's not a thing of they do and I have a lot of miles from our credit card from our wedding that you're gonna say have a lot of money no I don't I have a lot of miles from the credit card I opened and the debt I racked up to pay for my wedding God bless America so I'm bringing them to Chicago like they're staying in our hotel room it's not I'm not like big timing it that much you

started the story by saying you were big timing and big timing but bringing them so they can see that I that there's a 900 seats theater and then they'll love me more oh great you know what I mean good what a great Christmas this is gonna be or Jewish it doesn't matter oh that's right so then I so then I had to tell my dad that I'm bringing my mom and her boyfriend to the city he was born in I know and now they're divorced right oh wait that would be weird too I would have been awful he also didn't know about the boyfriend or that his marriage had ended yeah like 25 years ago so I had to tell him that and I was

like but you just went to Chicago right so it's okay and it's like no I like he I thought he had just gone so it's gonna bring him in now it's like okay so then he said all right well do me a favor if you go to Las Vegas or New York I want to come mm-hmm so bring him if we go there okay he's a real party animal nice and then he said and you know when you get really up there just like a small nice RV trailer he requested something for if we ever get rich like a nice RV let's see those don't exist Marty I hate to be the one to tell you it has to be three city blocks long yeah he got like he got he put a fucking thing in there

and my sister was there so there's like a witness that I said yes yeah no you're dead I know the funny thing is it's already on the list when I like daydream about how I'm gonna take care of my parents if I ever you know I'm in a lottery I mean an RV is not too bad no that's all he wants so I well in a start contrast I found out that my dad has listened to this podcast which is my fear because my dad who it talks like a foul mouth sailor anytime I say even like shit or something in passing as an over 40 woman he's always like hey watch it like that's really mad and of course on this one we like we like celebrate

the word fuck like they say it as if our lives depend on it and I knew that would infuriate him like crazy so I've never told him how to find it or what I was like real vague about the name when he asks about it and it's called the fuckword murder mystery that's right that's right so my sister texted me and said dad found out work world because my sister and two of our childhood friends are also going to Chicago we're just making it like a weird Clanny event my sister and Adrian and Audrey are all going because they love drinking in Chicago that's our main reason that's what my mom is going to yeah so it's

gonna be they're going to have a great time but my dad found out that they're all going because he told my sister he tried to listen to the podcast and when my sister said what you mean you tried to and he goes they talk too much that's what a pod what if a podcast which is not talking the whole time just like stony silence like we're in a fight just like the silent treatment yeah our new podcast yeah so if you ever want to be a stand-up comedian you just need parents who truly are not fans of yours that's I would say that's step one my parents and my grandma who was like a hundred and four years old at the time like gathered

together to watch the episode of drunk history I was on and like they loved it and were supportive like my family they don't give a fuck it's not a good time for you to tell me the story right now it's not it's not my family loves me so much have a great Hanukkah or whatever he just wants to picture you as like the sweet baby angel that he thinks she was think she was and I had too many of these plastic cups of wine look at that little tiny wine that's why I'm getting that fucking green room I put one in my purse green room is it plastic it's totally plastic you can bring it to a park incredibly in parks or for readily hometown and my

family knows I'm a fucking Lana took they're just glad I'm alive that's the only thing I am too thank you all right should we get into this oh by the way this is for some reason as I was leaving my house I didn't want to bend my papers and so I picked up the Mystic Places Time Life series book that Steven got us I don't know about that it was a we talked about in the last podcast and so just to prove that we are not liars and we don't lie about gifts or things that Steven gives us or anything Steven's involved except you didn't tell me I didn't bring mine so I might be a liar oh that's right that's a cliffhanger you

have to find on that all right you want okay so let's tell everyone our thoughts behind all this oh okay so since we are at the EW pop fest we thought we thought it would be cool to do entertainment murders yeah entertainment based murders I got a lot of murmurs I knew it would I knew they'd murmur so you want to go first this week who's I think I'm first I want to be first because I'm scared we got the same one and then we're gonna and then yours yes no I mean jump right in if we did okay does the person that the story revolves around does her name start with Lana no okay okay Lana Turner everyone knows her and loves her

the way that was like you're gonna get an applause break thank you as I realized I said that maybe nobody here knows who that is they're under 30 so it's a possibility she's born in 1921 so it's a long time ago she was this like like film noir actress like hot blonde like bombshell chick who was like a leading actress in like crazy dark films right like noir film like film noir like noir films but you were translating it from the French into just dark for the American darkest American film noir means darkest fuck she she was discovered in 1937 and this is like probably bullshit right but like the

story is that she was sipping a coke at the counter at the top hat cafe bullshit on Sunset Boulevard and the founder of the Hollywood Reporter which I just realized might be competition with in our David Winkley like giving us the cutoff sign just goes dark in here and then when it lights come up we're gone it's super hot all of a sudden so I mean come on is that true she's eating a second no sandwich no those are all lies that's all publicist shit she was like I don't want to get gross um or do I okay so she was 16 apparently signed of a contract at Warner

Brothers and then she became an ingenue do you guys hear that loud music through the wall I know it's just you know okay blonde bombshell leading actress reputation as a glamorous femme fatale I think you know I wasn't correcting you no but you were right she was she was not made for an Academy Award in 1957 for Peyton Place what I'm saying is big time you know what I mean like gorgeous big time well she kicked at well she kicked ass at her career I wrote she sucked at relationships she dated a lot changed partners often and never shied away from the topic of how many lovers she'd had in her lifetime but then I wrote which is

fine for men but if woman does it makes everyone uncomfortable fucking slut bullshit fuck the page you know and then she said I'm gonna kind of want to make you read her voice are you good okay here in quotes all those years that my image on the screen as sex goddess well that makes me laugh sex was never important to me I'm sorry if that disappoints you but it's true romance yes romance was very important but I never liked being rushed into bed and I never allowed it I would put it off as long as I could and I gave in only when I was in love or thought I was which again I actually put a lot of quotes in

this just so you so I could do I should have had you prep your voice before that I get discovered at EW Popfest eating a tuna fish sandwich at the counter you can do the boy thank you which again is bullshit she fucked immediately probably and then dated them and it's fine listen you get to do what you want is the idea like she she can be like I like I'd like to screw but only when I like if I if I like if I have to romance if I if I'm I never allow it allow it it's fine that was my diet right she's dead it doesn't matter about you just spoiler alert fuck spoiler alert she gets murdered at the end of this no she

doesn't is that disappointing she murders someone no I'm glad all right 1942 Mary's her second husband actor and restaurateur Joseph Stephen Crane they have a daughter ended up being her only kid Cheryl Crane in 1943 then they divorced in 44 and then I wrote okay now this story gets dark great ready for this yes her fourth husband was actor Lex Barker and she married him in 1953 and then in Cheryl's memoir detour a Hollywood story which came out way later Cheryl Crane claims that Barker the husband repeatedly molested and raped her goodness saying that at age 10 he lured her into the sauna which sounds

like a nightmare to begin with that's like with your step down a fucking sauna and just kind of saunas anyway because yeah have you ever gone to like the one at Burke Williams and then the door closes and you're like what if it locks forever separate from a creep being in there with you the girl who died in the cryogenic freezer oh yeah that's right what a fucking nightmare it's a different episode sorry yeah told her was up oh god it's like how gross do you want me to get he exposes her so himself to her in a sauna like sweaty dick it's just got like what a pervert perverted sweaty then he starts raping her a lot

but when Lana Turner found out about it she held a gun to Barker's head while he slept and thought about killing him she didn't in the morning she kicked his ass out which is great because a lot of times back then they were like you're a lying liar yes you know what I mean yeah love yeah they divorced but to avoid scandal no criminal action was taken against Barker fuck that shit man yeah that's old Hollywood I mean that's fucking current Hollywood probably too let's not talk oh right actors are the best of Hollywood evil it's so fun and light oh and they never worked again our last appearance was at EW Popfest 2016

so okay so Cheryl is 13 and her mom starts dating Johnny Stampinato yeah bad guy no not at all you're wrong does he have a big white suit like like Stampinato like is he in talking heads is that kind of thing or like he looks like why can't I think of his name who's the guy that hosts Family Feud Steve Harvey probably looks like that it the audience never likes a joke if they're the ones that have to provide the punchline I've learned that over the year they think you're lazy uh-huh but we're not and crazy we're we've just I've just yeah I've pickled my brain white wine yeah tell me about Johnny Stampinato

well he was a well here he's a bodyguard for Mickey Cohen the famous gangster bad guy and he was an enforcer for the crime family so in case you guys don't know Mickey Cohen was like a hardcore gang gangster like gangland gangster and in her memoir Cheryl describes him as a as be picture good looks fix it powerfully built and soft spoken and talked in short sentences to cover a poor grasp of grammar and spoken a deep baritone voice with friends he seldom smiled or laughed out loud but seemed always coiled holding himself in had watchful hooded eyes that took in more than he wanted anyone to notice

Sharon Gibson is like than her mother Lana apparently yeah I'm doing all different characters today I love it thank you mm-hmm so he is a jealous abusive man and one time he got super pissed because Lana was filming another time another place in London with Sean Connery who'd like man he's hot he's hot back then mm-hmm and he got super jealous like showed up in London and then they they got in a fight he choked her and she had a missed three weeks of filming because her fucking vocal cords were screwed up because oh wow like he's a fucking dick well yeah they're serious yeah he later shows up on set with a

gun and threatens her and and Connery motherfucking Sean Connery overpowers him grabs the gun and beats his ass and sent him fucking running from the set Sean Connery Sean Connery next month on entertainment weekly let's see and then later but then later he holds a razor blade to Lana Turner's face and says that he'll disfigure her and like end her career so he's a fucking dick back in LA Turner Lana Turner tells Cheryl her daughter who's 13 ready Lana Turner mm-hmm I'm going to end it with him tonight baby it's going to be a rough night are you prepared for it super chill that someone's mother yeah like send

her to fucking mom I'm trying to watch TV get out of here what would they be watching back then like Dick Van Dyke my mother the car there you go dead silence I thought I made it up yeah that there's enough from a rest of development turn it okay when she's when she so stampin on out Sampanato comes over and when she told him it was over you ready again I mean I start going I will go I'll do it you do it he grabbed me by the alms and said sort of shaking me and cursing very badly and he's saying that if I if I if he said jump I would jump if he said hop I would hop and if I had to do anything this is why

how'd you do it and everything he told me he cut my face look for me and if I went beyond that he would kill me and my daughter and my mother and this is why I'm this is why you're the actor of the day any time you're doing a voice halfway through you want to give up oh just power through okay that's my advice all right I guess but here's what I love he said if I say jump you'll jump and if I say hop you'll hop that's a hip-hop song isn't it I say jump you sit what I'm just saying why doesn't he pick other stuff that's different than jumping and hopping like he could have total control over this woman if I say give me all

your money yeah me only your money yeah or just shut up for a while yeah but instead it's hopping and jumping and jumping sounds exhausting take a nap um so she breaks away and says don't ever touch me again I am I am absolutely finished this is so bad this is the end and I want to get you out and then she says I was walking toward the bedroom door and he was right behind me and I opened it and my daughter came in I swear it was so fast truthfully I thought she had hit him in the stomach the best I can remember they came together and then they parted wait a second I still never saw the blade the daughter killed

Johnny Stampinato wait did you guys know about this what the 13 year old 13 years old yeah at the bedroom door she had come in earlier because she heard her mom getting beat up and her mom was like please go back to your room like I'm fine this is taken care of and she said she doesn't remember going down to the kitchen and grabbing a butcher knife and she stood by the door and begged her mom to let her in finally the mom lets her in and she fucking barrels past Lana Turner and stabs him in the fucking gut and then he let's see what let's see oh it single time in the abdomen slicing his kidney and it struck

the vertebrae and twisted upward puncturing his aorta whoa she's fucking went for it wow badass little bitch and there's photos of her and she's just like cute Cheryl in taffeta Cheryl Cheryl she fucking defended her mother shit I mean right she was like where why didn't she get the spleen in there while she was at it she hit so many key she knew how to step like it's not just the thing it's like a fucking thing you know it's like a ripping but also there's to me the first thing I think of is like this is a child who's been put in danger by these men strange men that keep coming into the house because of the mother and the

mother isn't safe and she's got a fucking like take action but it's also probably this crazy thing of like you know this mother who you keep seeing making these mistakes that are affecting you as well and you're gonna prove to your mom how much you care about her right like that you will do anything to take care of her yeah you know this like sad woman who had to live had to be like through the industry and take an advantage of and bullshit of the fucking having a coke at the counter like she probably went through a lot more shit yeah oh yeah right she wants to she wants to take care of her mom I

just like that when we get serious there's some gorgeous house music to play behind I mean I wonder if this is set that mood yeah this is very this is actually yeah we become an NPR podcast where there's like it's very um there's music in the background all the time ambient music and it's like it yeah what Jojo's singing in the background so she fucking well you're dancing a little bit I thought you were pointing at me to like fucking finish so she fucking stabs him that's so and there were all these room like there are all these like you know everyone who likes to do a what's it called when you have

these conspiracy theories a conspiracy theory that Lana Turner act you know sometimes you gotta work through it on your own yeah sound it out yes make it come to you conspiracy theories that Lana Turner actually killed him and like made her daughter take the blame because she was 13 or 14 and she wouldn't get as much trouble but then let's see so the police arrived Cheryl admits to the stabbing she's taken a juvie and then there's a coroner's interest in nope inquest and in it so there's like basically a trial to see if she should go to trial I think was what it was because she's a minor and and mobster Mickey

Cohen who was fucking big time like this is when I invent Las Vegas yeah yeah and this is like when when so no that's bugsy seagull right yes they're all there anyone anyone in the mafia here today well no one they murder me at the end of this big-time guy like and this is when Hollywood and the mob were kind of you know they needed each other in certain ways and so they were coming going but he was the person who identified Johnny's body at the morgue so he had to testify can you imagine having like being the lawyer who's about to fucking question a huge yeah he's like later days but sorry sorry go ahead no

go ahead well I was just gonna say he was he there to like speak against Cheryl or they were just there to kind of state the facts I think that they I think that the mob was pissed off that she that they well let me tell you what happened okay so Lana Turner testified and it's like in the in her best role yet she explained what happened that night which insinuates that she's fucking lying right you know and then so she testifies and that's where all those quotes come in that you read earlier so brilliantly thank you you're welcome then they the jury takes less than half an hour and decides that Johnny Stampernato's death

was a case of justifiable homicide and so all these gang members are fucking pissed about that and that they say that Cheryl was acting out of fear for her life and that and for that of her mother and they found that she has justified and using deadly force to stop him and everyone was let someone said this is that this wall this is just I'm trying hard to ignore it when the fucking background music is louder than the laughter of the crowd there's a problem well my the back of my head is shaking yeah yeah I'm right a lot we can do yeah I mean just a life okay so they were like this is the first time someone has

been convicted of their own murder that kind of thing they were pissed off about it eventually the family of Johnny Suze Lana Turner for wrongful death they settle out of court which I always wonder like when you settle out of court that kind of implies your guilt or does it imply that you just didn't want to go through this huge crazy trial I mean they're like give me two grants like two thousand two hundred thousand dollars how much is a lot of money yeah I yeah I'm not sure I mean I think it could just be whatever it's like either you're not gonna win or you don't want to keep paying for a lawyer there's all

kinds of reasons to do that basically give me some money which makes sense I mean if he was bringing money home for his mother and she's like I don't have the source of income anymore yeah but also you were maybe molesting my daughter so it comes out later in Cheryl's memoir that and she was quiet about it for years and years and finally came out with a memoir that details her molestation by her fucking the second husband and says that Johnny was molesting oh no I know there were rumors that Lana Turner did it but she she takes the blame completely Cheryl does yeah Cheryl takes blame completely

she had stabbed him and also that he had been abusing her sexually mm-hmm but this fucking badass bitch she had some trouble years at a teen like went to us like insane asylum and like was sent to you know boarding school and all this shit and was going very badly for her and then she she tried to commit suicide a couple times and then got her shit together and she became a successful business woman in real estate agent she fucking kicked ass had a and then ended up having a really close relationship with her mom her mom nice she came out of the closet and her mom completely Lana Turner supported her 100% she's

been with this woman for you know decades and she's this fucking awesome crazy awesome bitch who fucking killed her mom's abuser right that's so badass so it's fucking it this rare the applause rarely happens in my living room so this is so weird it's very satisfying Steven would like do a silent class and then an Elvis knows when the like the last person goes yes but he doesn't he yeah he'll come out of the bedroom for that I just like watching you throw down your papers in total mash victory no legal and otherwise I don't even know if like that was a good story but I just act like

it absolutely was thank you it's exciting and Lana Turner's like old school isn't that the part in LA Confidential when he's like some some rip-off Lana Turner and it's like that was like but similar sorry I mean yes similar that was similar but that but she was like oh even before that okay she was earlier yeah just a platinum blonde though right platinum blonde tight you mean you could look up look up the photos or like it's great what makes a person a murderer are they born to kill or are they made to kill I'm Candace DeLong and on my new podcast killer psyche daily I share a quick ten minute

rundown every weekday on the motivations and behaviors of the criminal masterminds psychopaths and cold-blooded killers you hear about in the news I have decades of experience as a psychiatric nurse FBI agent and criminal profiler on killer psyche daily I'll give you insight into cases like Ryan Grantham and the newly arrested Stockton serial killer I'll also bring on expert guests to dive deeper into the details share what it's like to work with a behavioral assessment unit at Quantico answer some killer trivia and even host virtual Q&As where I'll answer your burning questions hey Prime members

listen to the Amazon music exclusive podcast killer psyche daily in the Amazon music app download the app today so mine is also about a starlet but she was no longer Turner mine is the story of the wasp woman does anybody here know that one mm-hmm well then nobody does and I'll tell you for a second look my parents was gone they're just like how am I gonna lie my way through the facts of the first page where everything make it up make it up it doesn't matter I told you the facts don't exist we just a sidebar I just saw a clip we were on a local news and Sacramento news story about because we did the story of Dorothea

Puente who is an old lady who killed all the people in her boarding house and for some reason I think it's because it's almost Halloween the Sacramento local news did a story on they just kept going a podcast they like didn't use the name until they absolutely oh yeah because they didn't want to say murder I don't know I thought they were being rude but they were no they were just mostly they were focusing on them on the story of Dorothea Puente's okay I'm sorry but they were saying like oh it's my number I gotta go five six seven eight do you believe in love oh we didn't tell you we created a five six seven eight one and

two and improv dance why was I bragging about that because oh because because as I watched the clip they start talking and then I realized like this is there's a woman behind a news desk holding papers about to talk about the story we did and I was like oh god I hope this is right like honestly like it was actually they didn't find a dead person didn't it was a man named dawn it was a holiday very nerve-wracking anyway all right so my story is the wasp woman murder and this is the death of a woman who was essentially if you had to boil it down a B movie star her name is Susan Cabot I'm assuming it's Cabot it could be Cabot I

hope it's not Cabot sounds right Cabot looks and sounds right and she essentially the background on her it's it's just gonna be there the whole time but what if um what if we listened and it was like oh my god it's one direction and we had to drop our mics and run out there everyone follow us you know I got most of my information for this story from an article by a guy named James Marison who writes on criminal element comm which it was a really good article that I ripped off and even credit it's yeah exactly um so basically here's what happened on the night of December 10th 1986 the police got a call from 4601

Charmian Lane in the San Fernando Valley anyone Valley represent Valley Valley that's where parent is hipster parents two people are like yeah sorry we had a kid house so the call caller breathless breathlessly identified himself as Timothy Roman and he said that a burglar had broken into their house and attacked his mother and himself paramedics arrived four minutes later by which time Timothy was waiting for them calmly outside the front door and he told the two EMTs that he had been attacked and that his mother was in her bedroom and he believed that she was also injured let me guess he only had

cuts down the left side of his spot yeah give him a chance we don't know anything about him yet sure so the EMTs went into the back and his mother had been beaten to death with a weight a bar of dumbbell and his mother was being movie star Susan Cabot she now I transition into her see I tried to I tried to make this like good storytelling we're like that's what happened but then here's the person but then I already start talking about her at the beginning so it's now we're back to this part goddammit Karen on professional that's what we are you know Susan Cabot from such films as the

enforcer the prince who was a thief the battle of Apache pass the duel at Silver Creek the Viking women in the sea serpent sort of any of these all your favorites from the 50s that you love so much she was also in machine gun Kelly with Charles Bronson but I her biggest role in the one she's known best for is a 1959 film called the wasp woman where she was the lead and she played an aging cosmetics executive named Janice Starlin who unwisely injects herself with a rejuvenating serum derived from wasp enzymes and it turns her into a lustful murderous queen wasp now if you have seen this it's fucking amazing because

they basically the fly came out and the fly was a huge hit so Roger Corman was trying to make a movie and basically get some of the action off the fly and so when Susan Cabot turns into the wasp woman it looks like she just pulled a black pantyhose over her head that has like two legs eggs on either side for eyes and like honestly pipe cleaners I don't think anyone here knows what legs eggs are legs eggs one person is over there used to be pantyhose that came in eggs I'll tell you about it later just super cheap be very funny though in when you see now like I kept pulling pictures I kind of want to pass my phone

around but do it it's just it like there's one picture where it's like her clearly turn like this except for there's no there's no definable features it's just these these like these really bad pipe cleaner antenna and then these big weird eyes oh and like kind of fangs it's hilarious they spent the whole budget on crafty and then they were like let's just fucking throw this thing together they're like Susan insisted on getting blue cheese and now we can't afford a wasp outfit she wanted plastic cups of wine you had to get her wine cups the the poster from that time as they used to do like the illustrated

posters and it it's the thing I hate the most it's a humongous like giant wasp that's bigger you know it looks like it's the size of a bus and it's attacking a man but the wasp has a woman's face with a bunch of makeup on it and that's I hate that the most when when like horror movies or whatever put a human it's basically like saying I've turned into a wasp but my face is still here that's the worst that wouldn't happen well it wouldn't but also what if it did then there's your weird face that you took your wasp arm to put lipstick on and shit like this face has so much makeup on as you can't go out without makeup you

can even if you're a wasp so all right so this is the movie she's best known for I'm just saying keep it in mind okay she also was she was gorgeous and very petite and she dated tons of people which is her prerogative Bobby Brown one of which was a King Hussein of Jordan he dated around didn't he what's that I think he dated a few actresses yeah yeah I think so he looked he had a kind of Clark Gabley quality and I think he hung out in LA and he dated her she actually drove Princess Margaret's Bentley like he I think he set her up and kind of like made sure she had a great life after her B movie career was

kind of fizzling but then he broke up with her when he found out she was Jewish are you fucking no I'm sorry I'm sorry Wes what have I just heard it vomiting also do your homework like what okay the Roman you gave her like the most expensive car there is it should have been real but no anyway a lot of anti-Semitism in Hollywood and Jordan apparently even though we fucking created Hollywood no one's laughing so when the paramedics went inside they found what would be a classic hoarders episode inside the Cabot's house it had been Susan Cabot her and her son and they had been living in this house where

they said there were garbage bags in every room newspapers and magazines stacked in toppling piles along corridors rotting food everywhere dead rats floating in the pool and they had 10 dogs and I live like a goddamn bum it's crazy I was gonna say that I would pay to go through that because what year was that 87 oh maybe I would pay like I would want to see all her weird shit she say but then that and kind of bum me out and so I'm good yeah you want to go to a state sale but only after they cleaned it up this estate sale once they cleaned it up there'd be nothing left be like wood beams and they'd be like do

you want do you need wood good so the when they get back to the bedroom they find Susan Cabot lying dead on her bed dressed only in a purple v-neck nightgown somebody remembered that it was purple yeah v-neck blood everywhere a large arc of it was sprayed on the bedroom mirror near her bed there was sweat arc of blood oh blood spatter there's blood spatter on the ceiling above her prone body and further blood stains on the floor and on the bed and the killer had covered Cabot's face and head with a piece of bed linen before bludgeoning heart of death which we all know what that means can't it's

personal oh right I just wanted someone to answer oh sorry it means they're Jewish but stop it stop saying that word very anti-Semitic um underneath that piece of linen her face was all but unrecognizable so overkill he beat the shit out of her face so now now they come back out and they're like Tim what happened and he's like you will not believe this I woke up at 9 30 I hear my mom being attacked in her bedroom so I go to the kitchen as I'm reading I'm like hmm as you do you should have said you at least stuck your head in but he went to the kitchen where he found a ninja warrior are you I was waiting for

the other thing they always blame it on what black people oh a black person well he he kind of what he said there was a ninja who was a Latino yeah it's a white person and they'll believe you every time well so he said he fought with the ninja warrior the curly-haired Mexican ninja warrior in the San Fernando Valley but the guy knocked him out and so then that's then when he woke up he called so of course they were just there to kill the old woman hoarder like they didn't want to kill him no no no they just want to knock him out and then terribly murder her face you know how ninjas are so of course the

police are like something smells fishy aside from the 12 bags of garbage in every room of your home so then as they talk to him more and more I think they bring him in and then his statements to become increasingly inconsistent of course and some of and his wounds are overtly self-inflicted and when he was asked about his relationship with his mother he described it as very close his mother and he talked about everything he told investigators including intimate sexual matters red flag right well I mean why what a what yeah what kind of breakfast are you having that that's the conversation how was your

night well I fucked so many people mommy pass the ketchup ketchup on eggs murderer no I'm kidding I love it just white trash so when the questioning was over he he was formally charged with his mother's murder he demanded that he be taken home to collect some medication and that he needed that he needed and there without any prompting at all Timothy led the detectives to the murder weapon so in his room he had they had those ten dogs four of them were Akitas that were his dogs and when the paramedics got there they were in his room going crazy like wouldn't stop barking going insane so they couldn't go

into his room well when they bring him back after his question at the police in the police department when they bring him back he brings them into his room and that's where he put the murder weapon so that he put the dogs that like it's all a little bit convenient of we couldn't go in there because those dogs were going crazy actually here's a bloody dumbbell that I killed my mother with and a scalpel oh no yes so you're adopted those dogs after this whole 30s no they they had such a great life there was a farmer that came into the San Fernando Valley and they live forever

really smelly dogs oh my they would smell they're like I saw murder I'm all crazy now I'm gonna eat your ankle okay so here's my favorite part and this is something that the Pete the paramedics noticed when they got to the house is when they were walking up to the front door they thought it was a 13 year old boy that was standing at the front door my god and then when they got up close they realized he had a he had old face like 13 some of us have and it turned out he was 22 okay and this situation was that Timothy was born with pituitary dwarfism and so he the way he was born he should have only stood four

feet tall but his mother got him on an experimental drug program that's always chill uh-huh and it worked well for her in the movies so he had been taking experimental growth hormone for 15 years and he grew to be 5 foot 4 but the problem was that this experimental growth hormone was something that doctors had come up with it was derived from the pituitary gland of cadavers oh dear so they were basically injecting him with the hormones from dead bodies and later on this was actually it was a the National Institute of Health it was like a program that they had set up for children that were born with dwarfism

only to then realize because it was an eight-year program that they had treated 700 children with this growth hormone who suffered from growth hormone deficiency they gave them this this you know medics and or whatever this treatment and it turns out that as we all know when you use old blood from dead bodies or old you know growth hormone or whatever that's one of the major ways you can get cruts felt Jacob disease also known as mad cow no way yes key word here is experimental like why would you let your who in here has nobody why would you let your kids so many questions well but this is the

thing where it's like she has a baby born with dwarfism as if that's unacceptable yeah she starts putting him on this program that essentially you know and his defense lawyers yeah he was a human experiment is totally and when you have the mad cow thing it part of part of the disease is dementia your personality changes you have mood swings you don't know where you are a lot of the time sounds like it's like get hit on the head or being an experimental experimental fucking dead blood this has to go into the into the triangle it can't be a lot of them they're there they're there keep your eyes peeled so then it

was revealed I didn't mean to do a dramatic pause I lost my place and then I thought I would use it then it was revealed that season Cabot when she put it together that this pituitary gland hormone that her son was taking she thought maybe that would make her look young so she started injecting it in itself so they were both taking this this drug that was making them insane who'd have thought that a hoarder would be crazy I mean and have bad ideas about what to inject into their body so page nine so basically he stood trial in May of 1989 and his legal defense put initially put in a plea of not guilty by

reason of insanity and they just basically said that the psychological symptoms he suffered from extreme change in personality dementia loss of ability to think clearly and memory loss combined with his mother's behavior because apparently she was just sitting in this house it was it was actually like and the guy that writes this article it's a really good article he equates it to like Sunset Boulevard and all those there's you know a lot of movies where it's like the old aging actress that can't let go of her beauty and her fame like stopped in time yes and get and like basically locks herself in

a house and like goes insane and tries to get people to come in the house with her well that's actually what Susan Cabot really was doing with her son but in like the super bummer hoarders way like not in a charming interesting no we are no no caviar being served here old tuna fish cans probably in the way I've pictured it cans are being served you want to chew on an old can we're gonna help yourself so essentially her Timothy's tutor came and and testified at the trial and said that Susan frequently screamed at her son for no reason and then when Roman failed to take his medication like he didn't shoot

himself up he literally couldn't add two numbers together so they were it was weird like they were basically on this drug together that made them insane and that apparently what he ended up Timothy ended up saying was the night that he attacked his mother he doesn't remember doing it he doesn't remember going to pick up the barbell or any of the other things he used to bludgeon her to death but that she would not stop screaming at him and he she had been screaming at him and not recognizing him for like a week I buy it so yeah she she was completely like over the edge and he basically not actually being totally

stable himself snapped and just murdered her I kind of believe it yeah you better believe it because it happened and then I got and that's what the prosecutor said during it it's a trial so essentially he was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter so after hearing all the stories and all the people basically saying she was not yeah and he was too he had already spent two and a half years in jail awaiting the trial so it and then he basically got three years probation no the judge concluded her summation by saying that there was no doubt in her mind that he had loved his mother very much I wish he had gotten put in a

fucking insane asylum so could be taken care of right I'll tell you that the episode of what's it called it's called like murders and it's that super cheesy e-show with AJ what's his name and it's like called miss and murder anyone got this someone do my homework no it's on YouTube and you can see it it's about her it's about this murder but the guy himself Timothy is on it and he does that thing where he's like the anonymous person so he's in black in the rooms all dark which thank God there's probably like newspapers and fish bones but he's tuna fish cans yeah just stacks and stacks but he basically said in it like

he's talking firsthand and just basically saying yeah I snapped and it was a really bad situation by it did yeah usually I'm like oh yeah you were crazy we're all great like to fuck man yeah that's intense that's like yes that's some next level that's entertainment should we read a should we read a hometown silence what if does anybody here have a really good hometown murder they want to tell us caring great idea put your hand up I see someone pointing at another I know she's waving baby she's a she's involved in I'll do it Karen's just kidding I was her and just shamed everyone hi come over here come

talk to Karen hi what's your name Margie Georgia this is Margie Margie nice to meet you do you want to do it up there come on come on come on yay Margie Margie it's so cold I'm getting cold which means it's almost over sit here this work I don't know come here Margie yeah it works it works Margie's got her backpack on she's gonna run after this hi hi it's your hometown where are you from originally from Miami but I live here now I'm a Florida welcome so I live here now and my hometown murder is here so I worked in this office with this dude wait is this a first-hand murder oh yeah oh shit here we go whoever pointed

good job so this guy like I was an intern in this office and he worked there he was a writer there and he kind of would like creep on me with like rub my shoulders and like get your water bottle that's sexual harassment yes but when you're an unpaid intern there's not a lot you can do that's right um you just basically you can stop and don't make money yeah yeah so I got the hell out of there but I stayed in touch with people who work in the office and basically recently this dude snapped so he had this wonderful wife who had given birth to two of his children and they were in the process of getting a

divorce while they're getting a divorce he had a living girlfriend who was now pregnant with his next child so during this divorce while he's with this girlfriend he gets charged with this sexual assault allegation of somebody else so there's this girl who was raped divorced wife new girlfriend babies on way everywhere and when the rape allegation comes out the girlfriend's like no no I'm not about this so she leaves and he they have like this apartment in WeHo so he begs her to come back he's like let's talk about this whatever so she leaves the baby at her mom's house goes to the apartment though

leaving the baby behind yeah he's great baby's fine okay I'm spoiler alert so so she goes to his apartment and is never heard from again ever ever basically I'll tell you know basically I'm pretty sure it was like the next day that her mother was really worried they hadn't heard from her so they sent the police over there he had barricaded all of his furniture against the door he was locked in his bedroom with her body that he had drained of all its blood dismembered no so we hope we hope of all places this year this year no yes so more information keeps coming out the dismemberment thing is like a new

information that we didn't know before but the twist is that he is a graphic novel writer listen he had written he had written this terrible gruesome story about a I think it's like a scientist who does the same thing to his like lab assistant so for this yo yeah like you're like a few years ago he had written I got in publish it did really well but it's like this really gruesome dark graphic novel where he had like hung her upside down drained all the blood in his bathtub had dismembered her whatever and then he fucking did it like there's no way you're getting out of this one dude so no that's my hometown

murder I love it you knew him oh yeah and he massaged you you want to plug anything do I want to plug in again like your Twitter or your Instagram well my Twitter is Marge over matter love it thank you so much my best friend John and my girlfriend Kirsten we have a clothing line called do or die person is the one who handles your clothes she really wants to meet you oh we're hugging yeah okay it's your parting gift like no way oh all right awesome you guys that's it for us I think thank you so much for being here that was so fun