My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 434 - How Many Last Names Are There?
Episode Date: June 27, 2024This week, Georgia tells Karen about the murders of Jennifer Bastian and Michella Welch. For our sources and show notes, visit www.myfavoritemurder.com/episodes. Support this podcast by shopping our l...atest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3UFCn1g Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Yes.
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So today's story straight up
is about the murders of two children.
Takes place in Tacoma, Washington.
They went unsolved for more than 30 years.
One of those ones that I followed, it's just heartbreaking.
And finally, thanks to the dogged work of some cold case detectives, families that never
gave up their quest for answers and advances in technology, there was eventually some justice
for these two girls and these cases were solved.
Great.
Yes.
This is the story of Jennifer Bastion and Michelle Welch.
And I think for a lot of people from the 80s in the Tacoma area, this is like an old wound
that has stuck with them for sure.
Yes.
The main sources I use for this story are an episode of Dateline called Evil Was Watching
and an episode of Cold Case Files called Taken in Tacoma.
There's also a book called In My DNA and the book is written by Lindsay Wade, who's
one of the cold case detectives who eventually solves this case.
She's really awesome.
The rest of the sources can be found in the show notes.
So here we are, Tacoma, Washington.
It's 1986.
Tacoma is a quiet, blue collar, working class town, quintessential Pacific Northwest, safe,
it's the 80s, kids are riding their bikes, you know, tell the street lights go on, that
kind of thing.
Yeah.
You know?
Jennifer Bastian is 13 years old and lives with her parents, obviously Patricia and Ralph,
and her 15 year old sister, Teresa.
Her mom says, quote, Jennifer was a bundle of energy.
She was ready to go at a moment's notice.
Jennifer loves sports and can never sit still.
Her sister says she was prone to getting up
from the dining room table and just starting to do acrobatics
like in the middle of the living room during dinner.
She just had a lot of energy.
Yeah, it was a big time for back walkovers,
the mid to early 80s, right?
Yeah, Mary Lou Retton was all the rage.
We all wanted to be like her.
So on August 4th, 1986, it's a beautiful day in Tacoma.
Jennifer leaves the house on her bike.
She's supposed to go on a long distance cycling trip soon with a group from the YMCA.
And so Jennifer is kind of small for her age.
She's pretty and blonde and she's determined not to be the slowest on this bike trip.
So she's been practicing a lot.
Usually she goes out with a friend, but today her friend is busy and she goes by herself.
Jennifer heads out to Point Defiance Park and park is a misleading.
It's a sprawling 760 acre expanse with densely wooded areas, Pacific Northwest, a zoo, a
beach.
It jets out on a little peninsula into the Puget Sound,
has sheer cliffs that drop off into the water.
So it's actually like pretty wild.
But people are always there. People love it.
Her parents know this is her plan,
and she leaves a note saying she'll be home by 6.30.
At 6.30, Jennifer doesn't show up for dinner,
and her parents just immediately know something is wrong. At 8.30, Jennifer doesn't show up for dinner and her parents just immediately know something is wrong.
At 8.30, they call the police.
That evening, Teresa, Jennifer's sister, had been out at the movies and her father picks
her up at 9 p.m. and he tells her that Jennifer hasn't come home.
And Teresa says, quote, his voice cracked and I could see he had been crying and I knew
that something was very wrong.
Yeah.
Police take a piece of Jennifer's clothing
and give it to bloodhounds to try to track her from the park.
The dogs track her to the park, to an area called the Five Mile
Drive that goes around the peninsula,
but after that, they lose the scent.
So over the course of the next three days,
police officers are on foot and on horseback,
along with volunteers, and they search the densely wooded park and they don't find any trace of Jennifer.
Meanwhile, back at the Bastion household, Patty, the mother, answers a knock at the
door and finds a woman named Barbara Welch there.
Barbara tells Patty she is there to offer emotional support
as just weeks earlier on the other side of Puget Sound,
Barbara's own pretty blonde daughter had gone missing.
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So we're going back to the morning of March 26th, 1986.
We were in August.
Now we're back in March.
And 12-year-old Michelle Welch is at Puget Park with her two little sisters, Nicole and
Angela.
And this story, the set of circumstances, has stuck with me for so fucking long.
The girls have a regular babysitter, but today Michelle is in charge and
the way her sisters describe her, she takes great care of them. She's a really great kind of bossy older sister.
The girl's mom, Barbara, is raising them on her own and she works hard to support her family.
She's recently bought the family home in Tacoma's North End.
Michelle has long blonde hair, is on the small side for her age, she wears glasses.
About her sister, Nicole says, she was just a beautiful child, she loved music, she was
an amazing artist, she played the piano, she played the violin, she loved to read.
Definitely the bossy older sister."
It's spring break, so Barbara, the mom, is working, but there's no school, so the girls
are supposed to have a piano lesson later that day.
And the piano teacher lives right near Puget Park, so the girls had gotten permission to
play at the park for a half hour before the piano lesson.
But the girls decide to bend the rules, and they leave like almost three hours
before the piano lesson to play, around 10 a.m.
At about 11 a.m., the girls realize
they'd left their lunch at home.
Hmm, Michelle bikes home to get it.
While Michelle is at home, her sisters need to use
the bathroom, so they leave the park
and go to a local business,
because there's no bathroom at the park.
When they return to the park. When they returned
to the playground area, they see their sister's bike. She had come back and their lunches
on a picnic table, but there's no sign of their sister, Michelle.
It's so scary.
It looks like Michelle got back when they were using the bathroom and then maybe wandered
off to look for them. Heartbreaks my heart breaks for them. Yeah.
Angela says, quote, her bike was locked up
and the bag was ripped open.
It was very bizarre.
And we went looking, end quote.
The two girls do their family call, which
it's the pre-cell phone era.
The family uses this call in crowds to locate each other.
It's like a you-hoo.
So they wander around doing the Yoo-hoo.
They don't hear anything.
So they call the babysitter.
The babysitter calls the girls' mom and the police,
and Barbara races to the scene.
And police officers search the park starting at about 3 p.m.
Hmm.
Barbara says about that period,
waiting for her daughter to be found, quote,
there's an emptiness there.
Time sort of stands still.
At 11 p.m., police find Michelle's
body in the Gulch near a makeshift fire pit about a quarter of a mile from the picnic tables.
She has been killed by blunt force trauma to the head as well as a cut to her neck,
and there's evidence that she's been sexually assaulted.
God.
Michelle's mother Barbara is sitting in a police car when she gets the news that her
daughter has been found.
In the investigation that follows, police canvas the area and interview everyone they
can find who is in the park.
One of Michelle's classmates who was at the park that day says he saw a man standing under
a bridge that was near the playground.
He says he noticed this man seemed to be watching the girls.
He's able to give enough details for a composite sketch and a long list of people are questioned,
but over the next couple of months, no one emerges as a compelling suspect.
So when Barbara hears in August about another young girl going missing in the area, Jennifer
Bastion, Barbara decides to act and goes to their house to offer emotional support.
On August 26th, 22 days after Jennifer first goes missing,
a jogger on one of the wooded trails in the park
notices a smell.
He alerts park police.
They come and can't find anything.
They bring a dog. They don't find anything.
But I think they all kind of knew what they were looking for
at that point because of
the smell.
So it takes two more days for searchers to find Jennifer's body.
She's not far from Five Mile Drive.
It appears she had been sexually assaulted and she had a thin ligature mark on her neck,
which a later autopsy will determine to be the cause of death.
And her bike is found nearby about 60 feet away.
The area where Jennifer is found is about 150 feet from the actual trail.
And at the time the coroner says it looks like the area had been chosen and prepared
in advance.
So obviously life changes completely for the children in Tacoma after these two girls are
murdered.
They're no longer allowed to go out and ride their bikes, unsupervised.
Everyone is on edge thinking there's a potential serial killer targeting young girls.
It's just a terrifying time in Tacoma.
Because of the similarities between Jennifer and Michelle's murders and the similarities
between the girls themselves, they do look like law enforcement also believes they're
looking for one killer.
Puget Park and Point Defiance Park are both in Tacoma's north end.
They're only about three miles from each other.
So like in Michelle's case, many people reported crossing paths with Jennifer the afternoon
and evening she went missing.
Among them were some classmates of Jennifer's who said they saw a man wearing reflective
sunglasses riding a bike closely behind Jennifer, like seemingly keeping pace with her. Mm-hmm.
Ecoposite sketch is made of this man, too.
The two sketches from both cases don't look
terribly different from each other.
They kind of look like the same person.
So everyone's assuming this is one killer.
Yeah.
Detectives get lots of tips, but ultimately,
the investigation doesn't make any headway.
They have nothing to go on. It's the 80s.
There's no DNA to, like, really test.
Right. They keep meticulous records of every lead, They have nothing to go on. It's the 80s. There's no DNA to really test.
They keep meticulous records of every lead, thousands of names.
Eventually the leads dry up and the case goes cold.
A patrol officer named Gene Miller works on these two cases when they first happen.
And then through the rest of his career, as he becomes a detective and moves up through
the ranks, Gene says, quote, it's a very difficult thing to be intimately involved
in these investigations and to not be making progress,
end quote.
So still in the summer of 1986,
there's another little girl who likes to ride her bike
all over Tacoma.
She's 11 and her name is Lindsay Jackson,
though we'll eventually know her as Detective Lindsay Wade.
Lindsay says that after the two killings, she and her friends were afraid to ride their
bikes.
In her book, In My DNA, she writes, quote, before the killings, I was a carefree kid,
oblivious to the dangers lurking behind my safe middle-class suburban neighborhood.
After learning that two little girls have been murdered while they were out doing the
kinds of things I liked to do, riding their bikes, I was scared.
Yeah.
So when Lindsay is a sophomore in high school, she stumbles across a book in the school library. It's Anne Rules, The Stranger Beside Me.
So legendary.
I know.
I mean, but also like so fateful.
Yeah.
Everybody found that book around that time.
Where it's like early junior high.
Yeah.
Where you're suddenly like,
I need to know what's going on.
It's almost like the librarians at junior highs
and high schools are like,
we need to at least have one copy of this
so the cool lonely girl can come find this.
Well, and especially for the kids in that area
at that time where it really-
Green River Killer, Ted Bundy.
But kid, like, kid specific.
That's the thing that happened in Petaluma when Polly Class was taken and eventually
found dead.
The kids themselves were changed, like, implicitly changed.
It's so heavy.
Yeah.
Lindsay writes, quote, after absorbing every detail of the book, I knew I wanted to be
a detective just like Bob Keppel.
I wanted to catch men like Ted Bundy and Ann Rohl's book inspired the course of my life
to come.
Yeah.
Incredible.
Lindsay graduates from the police academy in 1997 when she's about 22.
Lindsay, who is biracial, is the only woman of color in her graduating class and is one of six women total.
By the early 2000s, when she's in her early 30s,
Lindsay is working on Tacoma's special assault unit,
which focuses on solving sexual assaults.
That's where she meets Jean Miller, the patrol cop
who had been working both cases from the start.
The two of them stay close throughout their careers.
And in 2011, Jean starts Tacoma's first cold case unit and Lindsay eventually joins
him there. So this is one of those cases where the evidence is preserved and
science gets a chance to catch up, which is great. In 2006, swab from Michelle
Welch's autopsy are tested and and from them, investigators are able to create a DNA profile
for her killer. The DNA from Michelle's body
doesn't match anyone in the database, unfortunately.
And Jennifer's body had been too badly decomposed
to take the same kinds of samples when she was found.
So from 2006 to 2013, there's no DNA profile
from Jennifer's body, but police assume they're
looking for the same person who killed Michelle.
Then in 2013, Lindsay and Jean send the swimsuit Jennifer had been wearing when she was killed
to the lab.
It had been found around one ankle, so they assume that there wasn't any DNA on it.
So they just wanted to get Jennifer's DNA profile,
you know, just in case they needed it in the future.
But a few months later, Lindsey gets a call from the lab,
and the technician is like,
do you also want the profile for the male DNA
that we found on this swimsuit?
Oh, my God.
Spermazoa on the swimsuit.
The DNA doesn't match any one in the system,
but this in and of itself is a massive revelation.
They would have expected it to match the unknown sample that was entered into the database
in 2006 from Michelle's killer.
And for the first time, investigators realized this means there are two different killers.
Oh my God.
Of little girls in Tacoma.
1986.
Wow.
This has obviously huge implications
for the investigation going forward.
For one thing, there are many suspects
who were initially ruled out because they were in jail
or had other alibis for when one of the murders
was committed, but not the other.
So they just automatically blanket assumed
it was one killer.
Which I guess like you can't,
like it's almost like wishful thinking
that there aren't monsters fucking everywhere
It's wishful thinking but at the same time it's Occam's razor
Yeah, the idea that there are two separate killers of the exact same looking age
Everything little girl like on a bike. Yeah crazy. Yeah
So in 2015, Jennifer's father sadly dies without ever seeing his daughter's killer brought to justice.
Around that same time, Jennifer's mother, Patty, starts volunteering in the cold case department,
and she becomes very close with Lindsay Wade.
That same year, Jean retires and Lindsay takes over as Tacoma's lead cold case detective.
Lindsay has followed every new development in DNA with rapt attention.
She's like, Paul Holes, you know?
And that year, she hears about a new technique that led to the solving of a cold case in
Phoenix.
And it uses gene sequence that's passed through the father's line and through genealogical
databases.
It matches that sequence with likely last names.
So this is like it's genealogical profiling, but it's not as specific as it,
like you can't go through a family tree as deep,
but you can go a little bit and find out the last names.
So Lindsay gets in touch with a scientist
at the forefront of this technique,
a former rocket scientist turned genealogist
named Jennifer Fitzpatrick.
She sends her the DNA sample from the Jennifer Bastian case
and the testing reveals three possible last names
that a person with that DNA might have.
Isn't that fucking incredible?
Yeah, that's weird.
Like, how many last names are there?
And you can go down to three, like, genealogy is amazing.
The last names are Smith, Holbrook, and Washburn.
So, Lindsay doesn't even bother with Smith
because it's too common of a name to be useful,
but she scours the case files.
It's thousands and thousands of pages
for the two other names because luckily they're kind of unique.
There's no Holbrooke, but there is a Washburn
somewhere in the case files.
Lindsay actually finds him not in Jennifer's case file,
but in Michelle Welch's case file.
After Michelle's murder, but before Jennifer's,
a man named Robert Washburn had called in a tip
saying he had seen someone who matched the composite sketch
of Michelle's potential killer in Point Defiance Park,
which is where Jennifer would later be abducted and killed.
Mm-hmm.
So he called this tip in May of 1986,
three months before Jennifer died in that very park.
Investigators, they didn't drop the ball on this.
He had been interviewed in December of 1986.
I think him calling in a tip probably
let their guard down a little bit,
but they also didn't have anything suspicious
about him to begin with.
But it's that thing we always talk about
where the killers want to get involved in the case.
And it's almost like in retrospect, you look back
and it's like, oh, he was pointing to the future murder.
I mean, it's just so gross and weird and sinister.
I think some people also think that
because he was pointing to the future spot,
like he had planned it out,
and he wanted to connect those two murders
and make people think they were connected,
which he did.
Yeah.
You know?
Which means he planned it so far in advance.
It's just chilling.
She finds it interesting, this little piece of information, but it's not, you know, it's
no guarantee.
The last names might not even be correct.
So Robert Washburn's name is added to a very long list.
Lindsay then takes on the daunting task of hand-entering every other man mentioned in
the Jennifer Bastian case file into a new database because it had never been digitized.
Wow.
Yeah.
The process takes months, but once it's done, she can use that database to eliminate 300
names from a list of 2,300 names based on DNA and incarceration data. It's not
much, but it's a start. And from that list, Lindsay comes up with a shorter list of
people to try to get DNA samples from. A small task force tracks these people
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Goodbye. So in 2018, Lindsay makes the difficult decision to retire from the police department and takes
a job in the attorney general's office on its task force to end the state's rape kit
backlog.
And she said it was a really hard decision, but she thought to herself, you know, maybe
the killer's name is in that backlog.
And I'm helping so many women.
And yeah, I can imagine it being a hard decision.
Over the past several years, she's been sending batches of DNA to be tested and compared to
the sample from Jennifer's bathing suit.
A few weeks after she starts her new job, and this is so like Paul Hull's with the Golden
State Killer, she gets a call that there's been a match. And it's Robert Washburn, the man who called in the tip
in the Michelle Welch case months
before Jennifer was even killed.
So if he hadn't inserted himself into that case,
there's no reason why he would have been found.
Wow.
His DNA wasn't in the database.
There was no fingerprints.
There was nothing tying him to it at all.
That's crazy.
So he almost like, he just pinpointed himself.
Yeah.
And also like that's such good detective work
that you looked in the other case file
for that name of a tipster.
Like, why would you ever look at that again?
And like now it's like, I hope they look every time
because that is a thing they do.
Absolutely.
And that's why there's good detectives like this.
Yeah.
He's 58.
He lives in Illinois.
He has only one prior arrest for criminal trespass and vehicle
prowling in 1985.
Before the murder, that's all he had, nothing after.
In 2017, investigators from the task force
had knocked on his door, and he had willingly
given them a DNA sample.
So that's how they got his DNA.
In 2018, when Lindsay gets this news,
which is also like, what are you thinking?
Like, what's going on through these predators' minds
when they're like, you can't say no,
I'm not giving you a DNA sample.
Well, and also back then,
they probably didn't know what it meant.
Right, it wasn't as like precise.
Right. Yeah.
By 2018, when Lindsay gets this news,
she and Patty Bastion have become very close and
they had planned to celebrate Mother's Day together that year.
But since Robert wasn't arrested yet, Lindsay couldn't say anything to the mother that the
potential killer had been caught.
She has to wait another couple of weeks to tell her.
Right.
So later in May of 2018, Robert Washburn is arrested for the murder of Jennifer Bastian.
Then only a month later, there's an arrest
in the Michelle Welch case.
Just a month later, they were, you know, it's so wild.
Through genealogical DNA, investigators have been able
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from a discarded brown paper napkin
from a fast food restaurant from one of the brothers. They get it in a different way from the other brother. But
from this paper napkin, they get a match. They arrest a 66 year old man named Gary Hartman
in June of 2018. He is a psychiatric nurse at a local hospital in Tacoma. I know you
had a reaction to that.
That is not good. Yeah.
He had never been previously arrested.
He was married.
He took care of his daughter.
And we actually had a few emails from murderinos
who had worked with him in the past
and thought he seemed perfectly normal.
Wow.
Yeah.
So after Hartman's arrest, the Pierce County prosecutor,
Mark Lindquist, says, quote, DNA technology is rapidly advancing.
If you're a criminal who left DNA at a crime scene, you might as well turn yourself in now.
We will eventually catch you. And quote.
That must have felt good to say.
Yeah. Coming for you.
Yeah.
Both men separately said they had been deep in the throes of alcohol and drug addiction
when they murdered these little girls, which is like, shut the fuck up.
Seriously.
Robert Washburn pleads guilty and in 2021, he sentenced to 26 years and six months.
Lindsay Wade is there and says, quote, I don't think there was a dry eye in the courtroom
from the judge to one of the cameramen in the courtroom to people in the gallery.
I remember Patty, the mother, saying, do you know how many birthdays we missed?
Do you know how many Christmases we missed?
Oh.
Washburn gives a bare bones confession
to grabbing Jennifer and strangling her,
but not to any other aspects of the crime.
He kind of just remains blank throughout the proceedings.
Gary Hartman elects to have a bench trial,
which he is aware will result in a guilty verdict,
but he doesn't actually plead guilty, which is shitty
because you're putting the victim's family
through this whole trial.
And you know you're guilt.
Like, you're not saying you're not.
I don't know. It's confounding.
Yeah.
His lawyer claims at the time of the murder,
he was so out of it, he didn't even remember doing it
and only remembered after being arrested.
But the prosecutor says that while he was being investigated, he had told a coworker,
quote, 30 years ago, he had done something terrible and he thought he had been discovered,
end quote.
So it just wasn't fucking true.
He lived with it for 30 years.
Yeah.
Oh, I forgot until I got arrested.
But also I was fine with it.
Yeah.
So like I didn't, I wasn't eaten alive by the guilt.
Right.
I wasn't, like I didn't, was not compelled to confess or do anything about it.
Totally. Totally.
Hartman is found guilty and is also sentenced to 26 years and six months.
Gary Hartman sobs throughout the entire sentencing, saying he's sorry, while Michelle's family gives statements.
Then like, why did you put them through a fucking trial? Like, you know what I mean?
Yeah, I think it's easier when people are like classic movie style psychopaths.
So then it's just like, yeah, good. Like you write it off.
And tears, like, what do they mean? You're crying for who? Yourself, maybe?
I mean, for sure themselves. but it is like that idea.
It's like you didn't hit and run a car.
Yeah.
It's a very different thing.
Totally, totally.
Michelle's little sister, Nicole, says, quote,
forgiveness is the only way to keep me
from being infected by the continual pain
and keep furthering it on.
I do not wish any harm to come to him,
because I would be the same spirit as him.
Though our lives are linked together because of this tragedy,
I do not want to be of the same mindset
in harming others," end quote, which is like, holy shit.
That is very wise and brave.
Yeah.
In 2019, between the two men's legal proceedings,
Patty and Teresa work with Lindsay Wade
to pass Jennifer and Michelle's law in Washington state.
This allows law enforcement to collect DNA samples
from deceased sex offenders,
which would have significantly culled Lindsay's database
when she was working on the cases.
So it's just like, why do I have to file
all this fucking paperwork to get this DNA sample
that should already be there?
It also requires people convicted of inde fucking paperwork to get this DNA sample that should already be there?
It also requires people convicted of indecent exposure to give a DNA sample.
It's signed into law in May of 2019 and Patty Bastion and Jennifer's sister Teresa are there
to see it happen.
Patty says she feels a sense of relief and accomplishment at what she, Lindsay and lawmakers
have gotten done in their home state, but she also has her eyes set on the federal law.
And that is the story of the murders of Jennifer Bastion and Michelle Welch, the detectives
who never gave up on finding their killers and the technology that eventually caught
up with the evidence.
Unbelievable.
Horrible.
Yeah.
And shocking and like the idea that two little girls were killed that closely
together in Tacoma is like, it must have been so horrifying.
And it was two different monsters.
Two different people.
Yeah.
Wow.
Chilling.
Thanks for giving a cold case a good ending.
That's very satisfying.
Thank you.
I was talking to Alejandra recently about like upcoming stories I could do.
And I was like, I think they're a little sick of the unsolved cold cases.
Can we not, can we not do that?
I mean, it's terrible because there are so many.
Yeah. And it's frustrating when police agencies treat it like, oh, well.
Yeah.
Like that is the part that does not drive me crazy,
that it feels like could be changing a little bit in that people are,
it's like the cold case department is not this kind of afterthought anymore.
It's like they're really working on stuff like that.
Right. Yeah, for sure.
Well, great job.
It's another great, concise, yet also kind of long, short episode.
Before we go on vacation, should we read everyone what they're doing right now?
Yes, we should.
All right.
You guys, we've asked you to tell us, hashtag, what are you even doing right now in comments
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I'm listening while going to get a serotonin boost from my clients because I'm a professional
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Shout out to my clients consisting of dogs, cats, a couple of goats, a few deer, and a
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Dream job for me.
How do you pet a tortoise?
I mean...
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Here I am.
I guess I'll just feed you at four o'clock.
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We're going to do separate stuff, I guess.
Hell yeah.
And then come together at meal times.
Guys, thank you so much for listening to us.
We are about to go on vacation.
So without further ado, stay sexy and don't get murdered.
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